;s hard to
> push such a change upstream into Python library.
>
> Of course, it may be worth trying if there is a critical mass of supporters.
I'm too lazy to try something like that. I think dealing with stuff
in the standard library
is too muc
ib. Maybe Jim knows?
The unicode test relates to a feature that was added to both the
stdlib doctest and the zope.testing doctest. This was some time ago. I
don't remember any details.
I don't recall any special changes in the zope.testing version of
doctest to support repetit
d doctest module. I'd change the packages that currently
rely on the
customizations to not rely on them, either by not using the special features,
or by switching to manuel. Whatever we decide is going to be a bit of work.
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> Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I think we've had enough discussion to make a decision.
>>
>> I'm a little worried that neither Stephan Richte
g as the pack time is before the time of the appended transactions.
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and make a read-only request to see what's causing it to be called and
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looks spurious you may
> ask whether it should've been pinned somewhere.
Running buildout in verbose mode (-v) gives you this same information.
Is the idea that this information gets printed even in normal mode?
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wrote:
> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Martijn Faassen
>> wrote:
>>> Documentation in 'docs' would disqualify
>>> just about any package (and Reinout brings up a few objection
od documentation executable. I
think the bobo documentation are a pretty good example of narrative
documentation. They are tested using manuel. Interestingly, the
parts I didn't initially test with manuel turned out to have lots of
typos. :)
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was using and create a new one.
This is probably complicated by ZConfig which is managing the logging
configuration. This is easy to deal with if you're
er, there probably won't be
> anybody adding this feature officially.
>
> Tests on 2.6 work for me now.
Thanks. That's probably the right first step. Does this mean we're
permanently removing this feature? That would be OK with me.
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> Hey,
>
> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Martijn Faassen
>> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Apparently some people are using '0' instead of the next version
ort because it means you never have to edit the version on the
trunk.
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ion 1.5 which we are using on the server
> already, but I don't know whether we assume clients are 1.5 or higher.
>
> As a side effect this will also make svn/svn+ssh work in a nicer way
> (IMHO) as the externals will follow the protocol o
o ranges. If you want to update a version in your own app's
>> buildout you should be able to override it, of course, but the KGS
>> should be a fixed point.
>
> Agree, but Buildout doesn't support ranges.
Sure it does, just not as part of the versions section. Despit
ildout ?
That's a good question. Buildout substitutions are always of the form
${section:option}, so conceivably buildout could ignore substitutions
without a colon. I suspect it would be better to always require
escaping and make sure buildout provides a documente
Cool. I just updated the .rst file. Someone else has to update the web site. :)
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
>>> So, if you see that a package is missing or is class
se snakebite.org infrastructure for the
> testing. I'd be good if someone could manually trigger a cross-platform
> cross-interpreter test instead of having to wait for buildbots.
Is snakebite real? That page has said "coming soon" for a long time.
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> 2) Can someone give some background for this code? Can they give
> examples of it actually helping anything?
I doubt it.
> We'd like to improve this, minimally by adding some explanatory
> comments, and maybe by changing, moving, or removing this code.
Let's just remove i
ease get in touch with me and I will provide you
> the configuration details.
>
> Fabio
Thanks!
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Silva wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> I know there are people on this list who have experience building
>> windows installers.
>>
>> It would be really great if someone who had some expertise bui
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Sebastien Douche wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 19:20, Jim Fulton wrote:
>
> Hi Jim
>
>> - We need to create a test branch.
>>
>> - When a developer wants to update a project version, they check out
>> the test branch, mak
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Stephan
> Richter wrote:
>> On Friday 14 August 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Sounds good to me.
>>
>>> BTW, in my zopetoolkit dev branch, I've
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Stephan
Richter wrote:
> On Friday 14 August 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> Thoughts?
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
>> BTW, in my zopetoolkit dev branch, I've created a kgs directory to
>> hold the ztk.cfg file and a ztk kgs buildout. If
)
When running the tests, the only deprecation warnings are from
twisted, which we can't do anything about.
BTW, if you want to try this yourself, use the buildout at:
svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zopetoolkit/branches/jim-kgs/kgs
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> I'm trying to get the ZTK KGS tests working with Python 2.6. The
> tests generate lots of deprecation warnings in part because lots of
> packages use zope.app.zcmlfiles and zope.app.zcmlfiles includes
> globalmodules.zcml in
anyone actually building web applications that publish MH mail
folders?
C. Stop including globalmodules.zcml from zope.app.zcmlfiles
Opinions? FWIW, I vote for B.
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Benji York wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> Keep in mind that the thing we're talking about is pretty simple,
>> basically a single file. Branches beyond a test branch seem like
>> overkill. Maybe I missund
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Benji York wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Benji York wrote:
>
>>> By "buildbot output" do you mean simply the fact that all tests passed
>>> on all platforms?
e the windows installer foo to do this by myself and am not willing
to spend the time to get the foo.
Such a tool would be very very handy. For example, it could be used
to build a windows installer for Zope 2.12 and for ZODB.
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he fact that all tests passed
> on all platforms?
I'm being intentionally vague, but we need to know that the tests
apply to the versions we're thinking of merging. At a minimum, the
individual run outputs should contain the svn revision #. So, when
merging changes, we make sure that th
W, in my zopetoolkit dev branch, I've created a kgs directory to
hold the ztk.cfg file and a ztk kgs buildout. If no one complains
about this soon, I'll commit this to the trunk and this will become
the official home of this info until we
rom which we build rpms.
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I'll fix it in zope.pagetemplate.
Please get Fred Drake's review before removing this from zope.pagetemplate.
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more and I wrote them. :)
I'm not personally maintaining them.
I think zope.xmlpickle should be removed. I don't think it's widely
used in Zope applications. I do find it useful from time to time for
looking at pickles and plan to maintain it in the future, but don't
think it s
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Jim Fulton [2009-08-12 20:56]:
...
>> Here's an alternative:
>>
>> [versions]
>> zope.foo = 1.2.3
>> zope.bar = 1.2.3
>> zope.app.baz = 1.2.3
>> grok.bar = 1.1.0
>>
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
> ...
>> - The versions specified in the controlled-packages.cfg don't seem to
>> be honored except for the package being tested. For example,
>> ZODB3-3.9.0b2 is
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Jim Fulton [2009-08-12 11:52]:
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
>>>* Jim Fulton [2009-08-12 01:36]:
>>>> In playing with this today, I'm inclined to think that it wou
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Thomas Lotze wrote:
> Jim Fulton schrieb:
>
>> I object to removing API functions that client code might use. (Was
>> that a trick questions?) What is the point of this exercise?
>
> Sorry, this message shouldn't have been sent
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Jim Fulton [2009-08-12 01:36]:
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>> - The versions specified in the controlled-packages.cfg don't seem to
>>> be honored except for the package bein
against removing parts of the API that might be depended on by client code
> out there. (Both functions are actually exported by zope.traversing.api.)
I object to removing API functions that client code might use. (Was
that a trick questions?) What is the poi
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
> - The versions specified in the controlled-packages.cfg don't seem to
> be honored except for the package being tested. For example,
> ZODB3-3.9.0b2 is used for test-kgs-ZODB3, but 3.9.0b5 is used for
> everything else.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
> Why is zope.ucol in the list? It's a pain to install (and thus test)
> because it needs ICU.
BTW, I hope that zope.ucol isn't needed (when you need unicode
collation badly enough that you're willing to install ICU) any
Zope toolkit documentation:
> http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/about/packages.html
>
> So, if you see that a package is missing or is classified in the wrong
> way, then please speak up.
Why is zope.ucol in the list? It's a pain to install (and thus test)
ause
of a dependency on M2Crypto from keas.kmi. Not a big deal at this
point, since ultimately, we want to use a smaller set.
- The versions specified in the controlled-packages.cfg don't seem to
be honored except for the package being tested. For example,
ZODB3-3.9.0b2 is used for test-kgs-
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Martijn Faassen
>> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> In a way the consensus should be reflected by the list you ment
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Jim Fulton wrote:
> [snip]
>> Id like us to say something along the lines of:
>>
>> "If your tests have additional dependencies, define "test" extra with
>> these dependencies
it might be a good idea to move the other 2 lists to a
separate page.
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trying to tell them how to use a buildout.
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2009/8/7 Fabio Tranchitella :
> Hey Jim,
>
> you picked up an old e-mail of mine (it is from 8th of July)! :)
I know, but I thought my response was most applicable to the original. :)
>
> * 2009-08-07 17:13, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> For now, make these registrations conditiona
on't really care about xmlrpc and If I did, I'd
take a different approach.
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> notion of XML-RPC, and that there should be a "zope.xmlrpc" package, but my
> confidence in that guess is very low.
I'd really like to deprecate our current approach to XMLRPC. It's way
too complicated. In the mean time, I'd like to find ways
ote
I sent earlier today on optional dependencies. You'll also need to
sort out the test dependency in browser/test_directoryresource. I
expect that that dependency is spurious.
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.. [2] This assumes we could get rid of the zope.container import in
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Jim Fulton [2009-08-07 06:01]:
>> How to do you specify the projects to be tested? Does every project
>> in versions get tested? If so, how do you specify versions for
>> projects that you don't want to ru
2009/8/7 Fabio Tranchitella :
> Hello Jim,
>
> * 2009-08-07 12:28, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> How to do you specify the projects to be tested? Does every project in
>> versions get tested? If so, how do you specify versions for projects that
>> you don't want to run
: "project" rather than
"package". In the Python world, the word "package" means a module
that is implemented as a directory rather than a file. A project is a
collection of software for which we create distributions. We should
generally be using the word "project&
need to maintain. We already got plants growing in the soil anyway
> (Zope 2, Grok, bfg, and lots of Zope 3 apps).
+1
> And of course there's some philosophy behind what's in the list now:
> it's a set of libraries shared by Zope 2, Zope 3 (whatever that is) and
> Gr
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> I think the KGS should define 3 categories of packages:
>>
>> - ZTK packages
>>
>> These are packages we maintain and expect people to build things on.
>>
>>
er-package breakages.
Yup. A number of people are working on this. I'm very hopeful that we
will get this figured out soon.
A critical task now is to figure out the set to be tested.
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am certainly very tired of
> spending many hours fixing those sorts of problems.
So this means that if someone modifies a package that is in the KGS,
they need to run the KGS tests before checking in.
> If someone could setup a buildbot to run all the tests nightly, that wo
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 06:44:09AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Michael Howitz wrote:
>> > Do you search this one?
>> >
>> > zope.app.zopeappgenerations.ZopeAppSchemaMan
t looks
like the schema manager in zope.app.zopeappgenerations needs to get
cleaned up.
My suspicion is that it would be best to add a schema manager in
zope.site that makes sure that the root site manager has a proper
__bases__.
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:55:45AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
>> You should use a generation to fix the problem rather hacking
>> __setstate__. The hard part of this is figuring out where to put the
>> generation
for digging into this.
You should use a generation to fix the problem rather hacking
__setstate__. The hard part of this is figuring out where to put the
generation. I wonder where that standard schema manager is. Maybe you
should just create one for zope.app.component.
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7;re in a position now where the various packages we've
released don't seem to work together, because we've been releasing
individual packages without running combined tests. I know this isn't
your fault, but I'm queezy about doing more of this.
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On Jul 8, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> Hello,
>
> * 2009-07-08 12:51, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> I find it a bit hard to believe that there are no clients of these
>> interfaces, but, if that's the case, I suggest deprecating
>> zope.filerepresentat
an application is going to use
zope.container.directory, it will need to import
zope.filerepresentation.interfaces itself, and it will have the
zope.filerepresentation dependency itself. I'd add deprecation warning
in zope.container.directory. I wouldn't add these interfaces t
gt; "definite" + "under review" packages (~120). Are we going to be
> able to
> maintain all that software over time?
Yes
> If we do, will we have time to do
> anything else?
Yes. Generally, these packages should require very little
maintenance. They'v
On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 10:44 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> Switching to zope-dev.
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Fulton wrote:
>>>> buildout w
to do it or maybe there's
enough meta data laying around for buildout to undo it. For example,
the EGG-INFO/SOURCES.txt has a list of the original files in the
distribution, so it should be easy enough to figure out where these
extra bogu
ly" I think we should change these
> occurrences to
>
> try:
>from _zope_i18nmessageid_message import Message
> except ImportError, NotImplementedError:
>pass
This might be an ok work around.
How hard would it be to just remove the wrapper script when deploying
to app engine?
Jim
On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>>
>>> and zope.app.zcmlfiles still have a hard
>>> dependency on zope.app.interface th
Switching to zope-dev.
On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> buildout works fine. The problem is the zope.testing test runner,
>> which will find tests in your eggs directory if your buildout is in
>> your software path.
>
> I&#x
On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 09:59 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
>>
>>> I just released zope.testing 3.7.7.
>>>
>>> It only contains a single change:
s on windows?
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> zope.app.module provides support for persistemt modules.
>> zope.app.interface provides support for persistent interfaces. Both
>> rely on a highly experimental zodb
cases, the test infrastructure needs to fix
version for all of the categories of packages and there needs to be a
formal process (uh, like tests passing :) for updating the
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On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 July 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> What is the difference between zope.release and zope.kgs? Is the
>> latter a fossil? Does it need to go away?
>
> zope.kgs is the software and zope.release is the management
On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 June 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
>> I should know this, but I don't. What is the recommended way to test
>> changes to core ZTK packages to mitigate the risk that changes affect
>> other packages? Is t
onder if there is a previous revision of the trunk for which
the tests pass for some version of Python. I guess I'll try to
discover that.
It's a bit mysterious that there are packages for which tests don't
even run.
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> * Tres Seaver [2009-06-30 20:41]:
>> Jim Fulton wrote:
>>> I should know this, but I don't. What is the recommended way to
>>> test
>>> changes to core ZTK packages to mitigate the risk that ch
On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:08 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
> * Tres Seaver [2009-06-30 20:41]:
>> Jim Fulton wrote:
>>> I should know this, but I don't. What is the recommended way to
>>> test
>>> changes to core ZTK packages to mitigate the risk that ch
d this yesterday. Just noticed it when I saw the replies.
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On Jun 30, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
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>> I'm not familiar with the static-deps option. To what? Its setup.py?
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> $ wget http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/l/lxml/lxml-2.2
"yeah, I get lots of errors too." :)
So basically, this *is* how we're supposed to run tests and we're in
bad shape,
Given that this locks down versions, wouldn't it make more sense to
not check in configurations with failing (or hanging
e 29, in
>import z3c.pt
> ImportError: No module named pt
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> I'll report the full output when it is done.
Any news? Or did it hang? (It hangs for me with Pythonj 2.6.)
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these libraries that it built and linked against statically.
Will lxml look somewhere in /usr/local? I wonder if hand-built libxml2
and libxslt libraries in /usr/local would make lxml easier to deal with.
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On Jun 30, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Stephan Richter wrote:
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> 2. Run python bootstrap.py
Which Python? 2.4, 2.5, 2.6? All of the above?
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> the time. I
> could live with putting it into an extra and not build the latest-
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> script by default.
+1
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