Re: Time Gap in System Trace

2010-07-27 Thread Barbara Nitz
These messages denote a gap in the time stamps. They say nothing about what the processor was actually doing during that interval: waiting, stopped, etc. This is exactly how parked processors look on a trace. Thanks, Ed. When I learned debugging, I was told that time gaps in systrace are a bad

Re: COBOL HLPI JCL sample needed

2010-07-27 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Donald Johnson wrote: Can someone help me by providing a sample batch JCL member to compile COBOL programs using HLPI for DL/I? Perhaps, if you could tell us what is HLPI and DL/I. (I got a few vague hits in my bookmanager for DL/I, but nothing for HLPI.) Groete / Greetings Elardus

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:23:10 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:02:24 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: If I use the C function remove() to remove a member from a PDSE, then from that moment on, the PDSE is locked, ISPF says in use, I can't create a new member

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS and screws

2010-07-27 Thread Maarten Slegtenhorst
We also say SNAH and KICKS in The Netherlands and during a course in Atlanta it took me a while to understand what was meant with C-I-C-S. On the matter of screws: I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws and in time the torx-hole becomes a round hole. Allan-screws are a bit better

United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread Bruce Hewson
Including of course south of the border! I wonder how many know that Mexico is The United States of Mexico = Estados Unidos Mexicanos refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico which does not correctly identify the United States of America in the second sentence. On Mon, 26 Jul

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Steve Comstock
Barbara Nitz wrote: No, it's 64K tracks. It is the same per volume limit as many other data set types (non-extended). But PDSes and PDSEs are also limited to a single volume. I am surprised. I did not know about *those* limitations. And most certainly, since they are documented, there will

Re: COBOL HLPI JCL sample needed

2010-07-27 Thread Peter Nuttall
DL/I means basically IMS ... However I've not heard of HLPI :-( ... So can't help sorry ... Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 27/07/2010 08:41 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread R.S.
Steve Comstock pisze: Barbara Nitz wrote: [...] PDSEs have only one advantage: They don't need to get compressed. The rest us a huge amount of disadvantages. Regards, Barbara Well, they do have at least one other advantage: they can store program objects, which allows entry points with

Re: COBOL HLPI JCL sample needed

2010-07-27 Thread Terry Sambrooks
HI, In response to the earlier posts: Can someone help me by providing a sample batch JCL member to compile COBOL programs using HLPI for DL/I? Perhaps, if you could tell us what is HLPI and DL/I. Historically DL/I was, and probably still is, the VSE equivalent of IMS DB on z/OS. I suspect

Re: Please remove my name from the mailing list

2010-07-27 Thread Peter Nuttall
Mathew, You obviously didn't read John M's previous note The clue is to read the bottom of every post on this list and it tells you what to do ... As John said 'Youth of today eh ?' Enjoy ... - Tibish Mathew tibish.mat...@wipro.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread David Crayford
Etienne Thijsse wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:23:10 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:02:24 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: If I use the C function remove() to remove a member from a PDSE, then from that moment on, the PDSE is locked, ISPF says in

Re: COBOL HLPI JCL sample needed

2010-07-27 Thread Donald Johnson
Thanks Terry, in my stupor, I had forgotten to look in the IMS Sample libs. I will check there and hopefully have that JCL. Your analysis was spot on, by the way. * dj * On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Terry Sambrooks terry.sambro...@btclick.com wrote: HI, In response to the earlier posts:

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:02:19 +0800, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: Etienne Thijsse wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:23:10 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:02:24 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: If I use the C function remove() to remove a

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS

2010-07-27 Thread Kelman, Tom
One type of screw head that I haven't seen mentioned here is the torx, or hexalobular, head. While the Philips screw was designed to cam out of the screw to prevent overtightening, the torx screw, like the Robertson screw, was designed to not cam out. It came about as better torque-limiting

Re: EMC Timefinder Snap and Dealloc

2010-07-27 Thread Igor Pavlyutenkov
Hi Lizette, I think EMC gives us a choice with this parameter: AUTOMATIC_DEALLOC|AUTO_DEAlloc(YES|NO) The AUTOMATIC_DEALLOC parameter allows or disallows automatic issuance of an S DEALLOC command to z/OS when a device VARY ONLINE or VARY OFFLINE appears to be hung. z/OS sometimes requires a

Re: Neon tries again to make a slap at IBM

2010-07-27 Thread Kelman, Tom
Well, this article is certainly a slam at Neon with this statement. Neon Software is being a smart-alek by offering an IMS-only version of zPrime for $1, and it is a shameless means of growing what is still a pretty small installed base for the zPrime product. And I love what they say at the

Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread Kelman, Tom
So, what do we in the United States of America call ourselves. We've been called Americans, Americanos, or some other variation probably every since we became a country. However, I was in Bolivia one year and when I said to one of the Bolivians that I was an American he said You know that we're

CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of structure names and who uses them? I am attempting to improve documentation and didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone has already produced a list of most of them and their definitions. Thanks in advance, Bob

Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread zMan
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Bruce Hewson bruce_hew...@hotmail.comwrote: snip refer wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico which does not correctly identify the United States of America in the second sentence. So fix it...

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote in message news:2d14e7856646224aacdda13ab1d355570a7020b...@wdcv7exvs2.opm.gov... Does anyone have a comprehensive list of structure names and who uses them? I am attempting to improve documentation and didn't want to reinvent the wheel if

Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread Maarten Slegtenhorst
Columbia should be just fine according to wikipedia! Col'o'mbia is already taken ;) - Columbia From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not to be confused with Colombia, the country in South America. Columbia (name) is a poetic name for America (in the sense of European

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:53:38 -0400, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Does anyone have a comprehensive list of structure names and who uses them? I am attempting to improve documentation and didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone has already produced a list of most of them

Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Arye Shemer
Hello, I read the announcement and it is my understanding that at first only AIX will be supported, *But*, later availability announced for Linux on Intel based blades. Am I correct ? Arye. On 27 July 2010 02:03, Gainsford, Allen allen.gainsf...@hp.com wrote: Which is more interesting ?-)

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:26:50 +0200, R.S. wrote: Steve Comstock pisze: Barbara Nitz wrote: [...] PDSEs have only one advantage: They don't need to get compressed. The rest us a huge amount of disadvantages. Regards, Barbara And, I believe, multiple members can be written concurrently (I

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:02:19 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Etienne Thijsse wrote: Thanks for responding, Gil. There is no other stream. When I run under the debugger, the PDSE remains accessible with ISPF right up to the remove() statement; when I step over it, it is locked. It's yet possible

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:47:30 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:02:19 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Etienne Thijsse wrote: Thanks for responding, Gil. There is no other stream. When I run under the debugger, the PDSE remains accessible with ISPF right up

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Kees, I had that open when I asked the question! smile I was not very impressed. no smile I attempted Google searches on some of them and was, again, a little disappointed. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS and screws

2010-07-27 Thread Howard Brazee
On 27 Jul 2010 00:03:45 -0700, maarten.slegtenho...@mail.ing.nl (Maarten Slegtenhorst) wrote: On the matter of screws: I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws and in time the torx-hole becomes a round hole. Allan-screws are a bit better but still have the same problem. I personally

Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Howard Brazee
On 26 Jul 2010 14:27:44 -0700, ken.porow...@cit.com (Ken Porowski) wrote: IBM makes what is claimed to be the biggest Mainframe announcement in decades and most of the traffic on this list is on the etymology of CICS and PoPs I love it. It's not like I'm going out today to buy a new mainframe.

Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Ken Porowski
It may be that they don't have the management piece for Linux yet Power7/AIX supported from November xBlades/Linux support is only a statement of direction for 1st half 2011 Maybe when that comes out we'll see Power7/Linux -Original Message- Kirk Wolf On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:33 PM,

Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread Howard Brazee
On 27 Jul 2010 05:51:04 -0700, thomas.kel...@commercebank.com (Kelman, Tom) wrote: So, what do we in the United States of America call ourselves. Our name is like the United Nations or the United Kingdom - a description about what was wanted instead of a real name.

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS and screws

2010-07-27 Thread Scott Rowe
OH COME ON! Can we PLEASE kill this thread, NOW? Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu 7/27/2010 10:13 AM On 27 Jul 2010 00:03:45 -0700, maarten.slegtenho...@mail.ing.nl (Maarten Slegtenhorst) wrote: On the matter of screws: I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws and in time the

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Mark, Thanks for the pointers. So far, my best source is the reason I am documenting them now: the paper called System-Managed CF Structure Duplexing. I am in the process of identifying what should/should not be duplexed and thought I would produce a document of those decisions. Most

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Did I get the VB? We don't have any structures system managed duplexed because of the distance between de CF's in both our data centers. Kees. Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote in message news:2d14e7856646224aacdda13ab1d355570a7020b...@wdcv7exvs2.opm.gov... Mark, Thanks for

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:01:46 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: That may well be true. At this moment however, I know nothing about ISPF services or how to call them from C. I'll keep this in mind as a lost resort, if all else fails. The best I can say is that it's in the book. At the moment I am

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Yes, you were the first respondent. I should have made it an offline request *and* the actual define policy JCL! :-) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM To:

Synchronizing the IOCDS and the DS6800

2010-07-27 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
We are installing a new z10 with a minimal DS6800 in a very small data center (to replace our venerable MP2003). Using the SMC, we have configured the DS6800 with RAID 5 to give us 250GB of usable storage set up as eleven 3390-3s and the rest as 3390-9s. (We wanted to use RAID 10 but the

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Chris Craddock
PDSEs have only one advantage: snip Well, they do have at least one other advantage: they can store program objects, which allows entry points with long, case-sensitive names, which is sometimes handy. http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No not really. Longer names may be

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-27 Thread Hal Merritt
See imbedded. Hal -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time Hal, I should have been clear. The statement I

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:47:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:01:46 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: That may well be true. At this moment however, I know nothing about ISPF services or how to call them from C. I'll keep this in mind as a lost resort, if

Re: Synchronizing the IOCDS and the DS6800

2010-07-27 Thread Hal Merritt
IIRC, the relationship is implicit. The first ADDRESS refers to the first logical volume, the second ADDRESS is the second logical volume, and so on. This can get tricky if you delete a logical volume. HTH and good luck -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: CFRM Structure Names

2010-07-27 Thread Scott Rowe
Who would want a VIRTUAL beer anyway, they are not anywhere near as good as the real thing! Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov 7/27/2010 10:59 AM Yes, you were the first respondent. I should have made it an offline request *and* the actual define policy JCL! :-) Bob -Original

IBMLink REMINDER: SRD Order Delivery Servers firewalls may need to be updated

2010-07-27 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi, One of our teams recently had difficulty downloading PTFs and again we traced it back to servers that were in use by IBMLink that were not in our firewall. We complained that we had not been notified of changes. This was acknowledged and an IBMLink news item was posted (PMR# 50090,487)

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:15:11 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: Any idea how to get rid of this ENQ SHR ? Have you verified that there's an outstanding ENQ? Use the TSO command FREE DSN(whatever.dsn) or equivalent call to DYNALLOC or BPXWDYN. Use TSO LISTALC STATUS SYSNAMES and find the DDNAME and

Re: Synchronizing the IOCDS and the DS6800

2010-07-27 Thread Michael Saraco
Hope this helps if you need I can send IOCDS input file as a guide. This is a DS6800 setup CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3000,PATH=((CSS(0),D2,D3,D4,D5)),* UNITADD=((00,256)),CUADD=0,UNIT=1750 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3000,256),CUNUMBR=(3000),STADET=Y,UNIT=3390

Re: getting NJE node name

2010-07-27 Thread Andy Robertson
yes, very much thanks Andy Robertson telephone mobile 0777 214 9545 home 01308 420797 From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org Does the following fragment help? * * INFORMATION RETRIEVED FROM JES VIA IEFSSREQ LAR1,ASSOB MVC RVDERMAC,=CL8'IEFSSREQ'

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:47:07 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:15:11 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: Any idea how to get rid of this ENQ SHR ? Have you verified that there's an outstanding ENQ? Use the TSO command FREE DSN(whatever.dsn) or equivalent call

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:35:24 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: There is a SYS00035 DDNAME associated with the PDSE, but freeing it with dynfree gave me error 4 reason 1056, which means the dataset hasn't been closed. :-( So that didn't work... Was it SHR? Why does C RTL have it OPEN? (It's

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:57:07 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I don't even like ordinary PDS. Other operating systems don't need them. That doesn't make them wrong. There are some implementation flaws, but they exist, so use them, and know flaws and repairs. If you don't understand what's wrong

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:50:35 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:35:24 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote: There is a SYS00035 DDNAME associated with the PDSE, but freeing it with dynfree gave me error 4 reason 1056, which means the dataset hasn't been closed. :-(

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Etienne Thijsse Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:50:35 -0500, Paul Gilmartin

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:49:30 -0400, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Etienne Thijsse Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: remove() of

Re: Synchronizing the IOCDS and the DS6800

2010-07-27 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Barry, I don't know if this will help or not. The DS6800 installation, troubleshooting and recovery guide goes through building out the storage on the array. Unfortunately it leaves a bit to be desired on how to tie this to z-boxes. GC26-7678 (I have -08 generation) is the manual and chapter 7

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
If you don't understand what's wrong with PDS, re-read Etienne Thijsse's thread on attempting to delete a PDSE member. I didn't say I didn't understand, I said that you had to do so. Understand their limitations, and how to fix them when they break. They're not going away. Or imagine my

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Kirk Wolf
A little OT, but just wondering: does ISPF do the same ENQs for PDSEs as with PDS when updating members? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message:

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's A little OT, but just wondering: does ISPF do the same ENQs for

Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Is there a preferred hashing algorithm for such strings? The strings will be fixed length with trailing blanks. I was thinking of simply doing a MOD64 (or higher) of the sum of the non-blank part of the string by words, but as this is text with a limited character set, would this lead to

zEnterprise at SHARE in Boston

2010-07-27 Thread Edward Jaffe
The SHARE MVS Core Technologies Project is sponsoring the following technical presentations surrounding zEnterprise next week at SHARE in Boston. Be there or be square. Session 7585: Evaluating Best Fit Architecture for Customer Workloads on zEnterprise Systems Session 7538: IBM zEnterprise

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread zMan
What's the goal of the hashing -- obfuscation? Shortening the data? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: Is there a preferred hashing algorithm for such strings? The strings will be fixed length with trailing blanks. I was thinking of simply

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:32:24 -0400 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :What's the goal of the hashing -- obfuscation? Shortening the data? Lookup. Does the entry exist, and if so what are its attributes. If does not exist, add. :On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Binyamin Dissen

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Kirk Talman
Or imagine my astonished dismay the first time I allocated a member with DISP=(OLD,DELETE) and watched the entire PDS vanish. In the early 1970s, at a bank using MVT on 370/155, soon after DOS-OS conversion, all procs were stored in SYS1.PROCLIB. Excessively neat programmer deleted a member

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread zMan
OK, I have a splitting headache and may be dense anyway: how is it easier to look it up once it's hashed? What am I missing? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:32:24 -0400 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :What's the

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Kirk Talman
I have used the technique of adding byte values for a hash count in two shops over two decades to cut the length of a threaded list. Both times I used mod256 to good effect. The first time the string was an eight character variable name, the second time a set of strings over 64 bytes long.

Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip IBM makes what is claimed to be the biggest Mainframe announcement in decades and most of the traffic on this list is on the etymology of CICS and PoPs I love it.

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 8:47 AM -0500 on 7/27/10, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked: remove() upgrades this to EXC (bad design of C RTL; as you say, SAS (RIP) does better). Then there's no way to downgrade it to SHR (bad design of GRS). I agree with you about the bad

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread john gilmore
corrected text: Worth trying first is von Neumann's classical scheme. Divide the value obtained using the z/Architecture machine instruction CKSUM. Then use its remainder mod(s), where s is any convenient small prime. The result will often be an approximately rectangular distribution of

Re: I.B.M. Is Target of Antitrust Inquiry

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip Yeah, I was astounded to see this bubble up high enough that a gas station blabber-at-you-while-you-pump screen had the story! unsnip--- Seems like a

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Thomas Kern
This is what I have used in past mainframe applications: http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?HASHWF /Tom Kern Binyamin Dissen wrote: Is there a preferred hashing algorithm for such strings? The strings will be fixed length with trailing blanks. I was thinking of simply

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:43:47 -0400 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :OK, I have a splitting headache and may be dense anyway: how is it easier to :look it up once it's hashed? What am I missing? Not easier, faster. Assume 10 strings. A serial search will take on average 5 compares. A

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS and screws

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip-- We also say SNAH and KICKS in The Netherlands and during a course in Atlanta it took me a while to understand what was meant with C-I-C-S. On the matter of screws: I own a 91 Jeep Wrangler with a lot of torx screws

Re: remove() of PDSE member leaves PDS locked

2010-07-27 Thread Edward Jaffe
Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: What is so hard (or dangerous) about just altering the status of the EXC to SHR and then running the same code as the DEQ (after first checking if the second entry is a SHR request [if it is an EXC do not run the code])? Agreed. This is a long-standing complaint.

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip Barbara Nitz wrote: No, it's 64K tracks. It is the same per volume limit as many other data set types (non-extended). But PDSes and PDSEs are also limited to a single volume. I am surprised. I did not know

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
A little OT, but just wondering: does ISPF do the same ENQs for PDSEs as with PDS when updating members? I don't think it's OT, but the answer is YES. PDSEs, while different under the covers, still look like PDS's to the uninitiated (programmes, not people). - I'm a SuperHero with neither

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks?

2010-07-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:59:01 + john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: :Worth trying first is von Neumann's classical scheme. Divide the value obtained using the z/Architecture machine instruction CKSUM. Then use its remainder mod(s), where s is any convenient small prime. The result

Re: C-I-C-S vs KICKS

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- One type of screw head that I haven't seen mentioned here is the torx, or hexalobular, head. While the Philips screw was designed to cam out of the screw to prevent overtightening, the torx screw, like the

Re: Panvalet Question

2010-07-27 Thread Dell'Anno, Aurora
Lizette, Apologies for replying so late, I am not a Panvalet expert but I asked someone who is and their reply is: PANMODI is the Panvalet I/O processor. It is used by ROSCOE to access Panvalet PANLIBs (IMPORT/EXPORT members between Panvalet and ROSCOE). PANMODI gets linked with the RSSCPAN0

Re: I.B.M. Is Target of Antitrust Inquiry

2010-07-27 Thread zMan
Um, what??? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: -snip Yeah, I was astounded to see this bubble up high enough that a gas station blabber-at-you-while-you-pump screen had the story!

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- If you don't understand what's wrong with PDS, re-read Etienne Thijsse's thread on attempting to delete a PDSE member. Or imagine my astonished dismay the first time I allocated a member with DISP=(OLD,DELETE)

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Hal Merritt
Am I missing something? Why not use a binary chop search? That is, each compare cuts the universe in half. For a million entries, you would need 20 or less compares. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

John Gilmore's Munging of Subject lines (was Re: Hashin g algorith m)

2010-07-27 Thread Mark Zelden
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Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:43:08 -0500, Hal Merritt wrote: Am I missing something? Why not use a binary chop search? That is, each compare cuts the universe in half. For a million entries, you would need 20 or less compares. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm Insertion? For

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:42:57 -0400, Kirk Talman wrote: Or imagine my astonished dismay the first time I allocated a member with DISP=(OLD,DELETE) and watched the entire PDS vanish. In the early 1970s, at a bank using MVT on 370/155, soon after DOS-OS conversion, all procs were stored in

Re: Synchronizing the IOCDS and the DS6800

2010-07-27 Thread Dick de Groot
It depends on the number of DDM's and the size of the DDM's and if you make 1 or two array sites how your IOCDS will look like. Cuadd= has a relation with the lcuid 2010/7/27 Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com We are installing a new z10 with a minimal DS6800 in a very small data

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
As I wrote, there is the issue of dynamically balancing the tree as random insertions come in. On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:43:08 -0500 Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote: :Am I missing something? Why not use a binary chop search? That is, each compare cuts the universe in half. For a million

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread john gilmore
Three responses: Yes, 61, which is prime, is better than 64 = 2^6, which is composite. A binary search/chop is easy when one has all of the values one is going to search for compresent and available to be put into a table. When one is acquiring these values serially in time, a

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Steve Comstock
Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:26:50 +0200, R.S. wrote: Steve Comstock pisze: Barbara Nitz wrote: [...] PDSEs have only one advantage: They don't need to get compressed. The rest us a huge amount of disadvantages. Regards, Barbara And, I believe, multiple members can be

Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Shane Ginnane
I suspect IBM wants to keep the penguin colonies appropriately corralled. Hard to tout you can support hundreds/thousands of Linuses in a (native) LPAR environment. Does Power have a z/VM analogue ?. Shane ... On Wed, Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Ken Porowski wrote: It may be that they don't

John Gilmo re's Mungi ng of Subj ect lines (was Re: H ashin g al gorith m)‏

2010-07-27 Thread john gilmore
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Re: I'm amazed

2010-07-27 Thread Henry Willard
Shane Ginnane wrote: I suspect IBM wants to keep the penguin colonies appropriately corralled. Hard to tout you can support hundreds/thousands of Linuses in a (native) LPAR environment. Does Power have a z/VM analogue ?. Not the same functionality as z/VM. There is PowerVM which is the Power7

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/27/2010 6:06 PM, john gilmore wrote: into a table. When one is acquiring these values serially in time, a binary-search tree can be used instead; but it must be kept balanced/compact; and this is a non-trivial undertaking. It depends on one's perception of trivial. Volume 3 of Knuth's

Re: United Statesians (was C-I-C-S vs KICKS)

2010-07-27 Thread Frank Swarbrick
If citizens of the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans then why shouldn't the citizens of the United States of America be called Americans? Other than the USA there is no one place that is simply referred to as America. There is North America and South America, which are continents.

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip--- It depends on one's perception of trivial. Volume 3 of Knuth's Art of Computer Programming has a very simple algorithm for building balanced trees. ---unsnip-- I

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/27/2010 8:42 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: I can tell you from bitter experience that while the algorithm is fairly simple, implementation is most assuredly NOT simple. :-( About twelve years ago I was working as a contractor at a government agency that routinely processed files with hundreds

Re: Hashing algorythm for text strings without embedded blanks

2010-07-27 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Explanation of hashing functions and table look up: If you have a table with entries identified by a key, one of the typical requirements is to locate a table entry having some given key (or prove the entry doesn't exist). If the range of key values is suitably small so that all key values may

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:06:18 +, john gilmore wrote: Yes, 61, which is prime, is better than 64 = 2^6, which is composite. ... If division-method hashing is used a prime divisor/modulus is highly desirable. Clustering at the prime divisors of a composite modulus does occur. I dislike

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Clark Morris
On 27 Jul 2010 13:18:29 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: -snip Barbara Nitz wrote: No, it's 64K tracks. It is the same per volume limit as many other data set types (non-extended). But PDSes and PDSEs are

Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's

2010-07-27 Thread Clark Morris
On 27 Jul 2010 14:17:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:42:57 -0400, Kirk Talman wrote: Or imagine my astonished dismay the first time I allocated a member with DISP=(OLD,DELETE) and watched the entire PDS vanish. In the early 1970s, at a bank using MVT on

Please comment:What's so special about parallel sysplex

2010-07-27 Thread Victor Zhang
Hello experts here, Found a blog trying to comparing UNIX technology with mainframe, please comment: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6775-Whats-so-special-about-the-Parallel-Sysplex.html And answered questions asked by author: What's so special with parallel sysplex? Regards Victor

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks

2010-07-27 Thread David Crayford
Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:06:18 +, john gilmore wrote: Yes, 61, which is prime, is better than 64 = 2^6, which is composite. ... If division-method hashing is used a prime divisor/modulus is highly desirable. Clustering at the prime divisors of a composite modulus

Re: Hashin g algorith m for text strings w ithout emb edded blan ks‏

2010-07-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip-- On 7/27/2010 8:42 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: I can tell you from bitter experience that while the algorithm is fairly simple, implementation is most assuredly NOT simple. :-( About twelve years ago I was working as a

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