Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

Richard Fairhurst writes: > Joshua Houston wrote: > > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. > > FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour rather > than color, and so on. > > man_made

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

Bill Ricker writes: > The PokeStop was at our exact target, "1899 MIT Observatory site" which is > moderately well known (on the park map, in FourSquare). [1] > http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/944663159#map=19/42.44109/-71.08359=D https://www.ingress.com/intel?pll=42.441303,-71.085092 >

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

moltonel 3x Combo writes: > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > 10-15 spawns on this 700m footway, but only 1-2 covering the same > distance along the primary to get there). > > IMHO, the

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Large-Scale Imagery degraded this month :(

Paul Johnson writes: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > > I will try to contact a couple of the folks I know at USGS (maybe they're > > still on this list and could respond?), but it might be the case that we > > need to request the imagery and build

Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

Markus Fischer writes: > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped > (probably due to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to > start mapping areas that are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking > at this does not sound like a good approach)? Oh, and you can

Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

Markus Fischer writes: > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped (probably due > to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to start mapping areas that > are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking at this does not sound like a good > approach)? Any place there

Re: [Talk-us] MapRoulette Rail Crossings challenge

Martijn van Exel writes: > Thanks Mike! Looking forward to fixing more of these. I hope others do too! > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Mike N wrote: > > > I've brought back the MapRoulette US Railway crossings challenge with a > > slight difference - the remaining

Re: [Talk-us] Way to message a bunch of users at once?

Jonathan Schleuss writes: > Is there a way to email multiple users at once? Yes and no. I created a hack to mail to geolocated OSM users, but I feel disinclined to share that. Of course the board of directors can authorize the sysadmins to send bulk email, but that happens only rarely. I

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: NYSDEClands

Kevin Kenny writes: > The rule for coalescing would be to group by facility number, so all > the parcels of Burnt-Rossman Hills State Forest would be one relation, > while the ones of adjacent Mallet Pond State Forest would be another. How's that going to work where people (e.g. me) have made

Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

Frederik Ramm writes: > I have zero knowledge about the Adirondack[s] I live here. Imagine a park half the size of Austria, with about 130K people living in it, and 200K people visiting it. Give about 30K of those people Internet access. Oh, and there are practically no nerds living in the park,

Re: [Talk-us] Railway = racetrack ?!

Mike N writes: > > I've never noticed this sort of oval railyard in the US before. At >It seems to be some sort of grain depot, but that's the fanciest rail > network I've ever seen for a grain depot. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.2834/-89.1455 I've seen other

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Paul Johnson writes: > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item for > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days. I took the time to create relations for all of my

Re: [Talk-us] Downgrading 'motorways' around toll plazas?

Paul Johnson writes: > Not looking at this specific example, I might consider a a split to > multiple roadways between the medians and a potential downgrade to > motorway_link for gates that expect you to stop (such as cash/coin gates > versus ETC gates) or are primarily used to toll an

Re: [Talk-us] Downgrading 'motorways' around toll plazas?

Jack Burke writes: > The Florida Turnpike is a toll road (highway=motorway in OSM) with a > standard 70 mph speed limit that drops to 25 mph a few dozen yards before > the toll plazas (even for SunPass users). Having driven on it for years, I > would never consider any section of it to be

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

Clifford Snow writes: Anyone want to help on http://maproulette.org/#t=fix-railway-crossings/057936J The rail line run right down the middle of the street. There doesn't appear to be an official crossing. An onsite visit might be in order. Too bad, I was staying just across the

Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette

You might want to remove the NY FRA data from the challenge. I've already gone through that dataset and added everything that was still being used as a crossing. Save people from looking at data that is all correct (modulo my misteaks, of course). -russ Martijn van Exel writes: Okay, thanks,

Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette

Mike N writes: On 7/8/2015 2:43 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: I see the why Martijn would be hard pressed to exclude crossings that are already in the OSM. He's using the Federal Railway Administration, FRA, data as a punch list in this challenge. Perhaps you can add additional features

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

There's really two kinds of cycling: including trails and unpaved roads because your bicycle has nobblies and springs, and not. The first are fine with such roads, and the second very much not. I've done both types of cycling, and with high pressure narrow tyres (that's a nod to Richard, so he

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

Minh Nguyen writes: You aren't alone. I stopped bothering with tiger:reviewed tags back in the Potlatch 1 days. It just isn't a well-designed tag: - not very discoverable to mappers who weren't around in 2008 Makes ways a sickly yellow if you edit using JOSM. - doesn't say whether

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

Marc Gemis writes: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The razed sections of the abandoned railway need not confuse anybody. Or are you requesting a exception for railways ? Yes, because a railway went from point A to point B, where you can see

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

Marc Gemis writes: Sorry, but I'm not trolling. I just want to understand why the railway people should get a different treatment. Because there is a rendering of the data (openrailwaymap.org and the ITO specialist renderings), and because people CARE. If you're argument is to better

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Hans De Kryger writes: On Apr 2, 2015 7:08 AM, EthnicFood IsGreat ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

Simon Poole writes: The wiki already explains: they hold a trademark for GR which makes using the official names of the routes essentially impossible in and Perhaps French trademark law is different than US trademark law, but in the US, you can *always* use a trademark truthfully. Thus, you

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

John F. Eldredge writes: Note that there is a long tradition of encyclopedias, maps, and other copyrighted sources deliberately including some bogus facts as a way of detecting plagiarism. These bogus facts don't exist in real life, only in the copyrighted document, so having them show up

Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors

Kate Chapman writes: Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore, that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

Mike Dupont writes: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

Minh Nguyen writes: On 2015-04-03 22:25, Russ Nelson wrote: Greg Morgan writes: * In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. In some NY counties, TIGER is very good. In other places it is like Stevie Wonder was in charge of quality control. What I've heard is that the maps

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Serge Wroclawski writes: Propertly boundaries is something that people have wanted, and we've resisted putting in OSM, despite it being useful for a variety of people. For much more practical reasons, mostly that they would blow up the database and introduce a huge number of ways that every

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Brad Neuhauser writes: So, is the argument here that we should no longer delete features that no longer exist, just retag them? Is the argument that we generally should delete such features, but railways are a special case where we shouldn't? Yes, they are, because railroads went

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

Greg Morgan writes: * In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. In some NY counties, TIGER is very good. In other places it is like Stevie Wonder was in charge of quality control. What I've heard is that the maps they were digitizing off were of MUCH lower resolution than we have available now.

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

Frederik Ramm writes: isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. You're blowing smoke in a no-smoking zone, Frederik. Looking at BNSF's system map (or calling up BNSF's public affairs office) to see what they call their

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

Richard Welty writes: [OHM is] a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

EthnicFood IsGreat writes: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue. That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Greg Troxel writes: More seriously, a wave of deletionism is really bad for the project in terms of morale. +1 -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Mike N writes: On 4/1/2015 10:51 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: I don't have an awful lot of use of OpenHistoricalMap because it's a faux-layer. What if OpenRailwayMap could pull from OpenHistoricalMap to do a complete rendering, even though it's a faux-layer? Presumably they would do

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

Simon Poole writes: Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: Maps with insufficient creative content to be copyrightable. They may exist, but are you seriously saying that we (as in individual mappers and the OSM community as a whole) should make that determination

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Mark Bradley writes: Hello list. I have been communicating with a mapper who says he has been deleting abandoned railroads (the ones where the infrastructure is totally removed). Oh dear. The deletionists have migrated from Wikipedia to here. How do we stop them? Isn't it bad enough that

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

Paul Norman writes: Without some kind of license giving permission, you cannot use other maps with OSM. April Fools! Yes, you can. There are many kinds of public domain maps whose republication needs no license. For example, in the US all maps published before the magic date, whatever year

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Minh Nguyen writes: On the ground, meanwhile, you'd tend to find no trespassing signs on railbanked ROWs, no? Railbanked railroads should always be tagged as railway=abandoned. The whole point is that they *haven't* been dismantled or razed or destroyed or whatever word you want to use for a

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Brad Neuhauser writes: I understand keeping a feature in OSM if there is a remnant of the railroad, but there are areas where everything has been replatted, regraded and redeveloped, yet there is still a razed feature in OSM (for one small example, see

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

Frederik Ramm writes: Hi, On 03/31/2015 08:04 AM, Natfoot wrote: There is so many situations where to his naked eye on the ground he may not be able to see it. To a person like myself I can still find the signs on the earth of where the railroad once was. Then map the signs

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

stevea writes: I have run into devotees of old_railway_operator=* and respect the tag by leaving it be where I encounter it, though I don't go out of my way to add it unless I have absolute positive knowledge of it (rarely to never). Yeah, it's an NE2 thing which he added automatically

Re: [Talk-us] Boundaries and verifiability (was Re: Retagging hamlets in the US)

Serge Wroclawski writes: It's entirely possible that the names the locals use for that river differ from the government dataset, in which case, OSM would prefer you use the local name as the primary name, and not the official one. This is the USGS standard for naming in their topo maps.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

stevea writes: but TIGER data in general just need serious and sustained attention until consensus emerges that they don't. What about this: I've noticed, at least in NY, that some of the counties are excellent, and some are much less so. What about creating a persistent tiling of the US

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

Alex Barth writes: What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of the Map? For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER data. I've got it mostly under control in NY, but I

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

Alex Barth writes: It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk, workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/ Whoa! We could have a mapping party to talk about mapping parties! Awesome! I expect to be there. I will bring my Columbus V-990, which is the most

Re: [Talk-us] Stump the rail experts

Length doesn't matter. It's how the FRA classifies it. Between Saratoga Springs and North Creek, the Saratoga and North Creek Railroad is a common carrier. The Sanford Lake Branch, which continues without pause from the SNC from its MP0 just a bit north of North Creek goes 23 miles up to Tahawus

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?

Richard Welty writes: this might have been a changeset that needed to be reverted back then, but it appears any damage is largely corrected now and reversion is no longer in order. Except that Moodna Creek is completely gone, as are some other creeks. We need better 'diff' tools to catch

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

Paul Norman writes: On 8/29/2014 9:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. Those things should certainly be mapped, but there are other projects to put historical data. Don't render them, then. Oh, wait

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

Mike N writes: On 8/30/2014 4:33 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is still way beyond broken. You can open it at any random location and the map is just fictional. (I did, just now:http://www.osm.org/edit#map=13/36.1938/-103.6446 .

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

Paul Norman writes: On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

Volker Schmidt writes: I would be a little bit more careful: If no bits of the railway survive, remove it. But if some bits are still there (e.g. buildings converted to different use, some pieces of railway bed, ...) it may be useful to maintain also some abandoned and now invisible

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

Paul Norman writes: It's not impossible - but the devil is, as always, in the details. You can obviously limit it to only cases where there is a motorway with a motorway_link branching off and no left/right tags, but it's not just that. Thinking about all the exit_to's that I've added,

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

Simon Poole writes: Route USBR 10 nicely illustrates my point about GIGO. It starts of in untouched TIGER country and continues. Best way to get something mapped is to draw attention to it. That's what Steve is trying to do. Can we move on now, and stop calling this an import? Permissionless

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

Simon Poole writes: Am 02.06.2014 06:28, schrieb Russ Nelson: . Let's say that I follow this route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load my GPS track into JOSM and create a relation and call it USBRS #47 (or whatever

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

Serge Wroclawski writes: My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

Serge Wroclawski writes: Since there is no signage for these routes, this is an import and should be following the import guidelines. Huh? I'm assuming that there is a list of roads and intersections which comprise the bicycle route. Why would that necessarily be imported? And how do you

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways

Richard Weait writes: - the concurrency of US1 and US 9, where ref=1-9 isn't numeric, but is right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_1/9 Interestingly Google Maps, when pronouncing directions, calls that US One To Nine. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

Alex Barth writes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 Another aspect of where the ODbL hurts us: Because we are using a restrictive license, we cannot argue against other parties that use a restrictive license. Look at New York State's GIS Clearinghouse. Individuals not

Re: [Talk-us] Importing addresses from TIGER

Richard Welty writes: the NY stuff listed that comes from the NY GIS clearinghouse is problematic; the clearinghouse agreement isn't OSM compatible* so you have to negotiate with the individual data providers (which are frequently the County GIS departments). those negotiations are

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

Joseph R. Justice writes: To that end, I am wondering if anyone here would wish to offer suggestions on GPS devices that are currently available in the US which I should consider. I highly recommend the Columbus V-900. It's quite accurate, has a battery that lasts all day long, and has a

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US

Richard Welty writes: what i favor is going to a multi layer approach where some layers of OSM are ground verifiable things and others may not be. E.g. the current openstreetmap.org and my suggestion of closedstreetmap.com. The difficulty of layers, as it has always been, is keeping them

Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore County GIS Data is now public domain

Richard Weait writes: Your use of public domain in the subject is potentially confusing, since there is no reliable method for you to declare that the data is in the public domain. Please see the wiki article linked. If someone claims that their copyrighted work is in the public domain,

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

Phil! Gold writes: I would not at all object if people put together similar references for other states with diverse county sign styles. :) Wikipedia to the rescue? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_routes_in_New_York -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open

Re: [Talk-us] Best way to tag mile and interpretive markers?

Ian Dees writes: Thomas, I'd caution against placing nodes every mile and tagging them highway=milestone unless there's something more notable about them. Mile markers could be computed from the length of the way and all the extra data might not be useful. Mile markers on railroads are

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

Serge Wroclawski writes: The real lesson of the ambassador program was that running mapping parties in other cities than your own results in press (sometimes), results in various size turnout, but has no track record of creating sustainable community. Except for MappingDC, for which you

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

Clifford Snow writes: I'd like to suggest that we adopt a goal of increasing the number of active mappers in the US. I'm not sure how we accomplish it, but I'd like to solicit suggestions and feedback. Use of OSM data drives editing of OSM data, as long as people know it's editable. We

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

Are these bicycle routes being labeled USBR-## ? If they're not, I don't see the problem. If they are being labeleed USBR-## incorrectly, well, that's incorrect. I haven't read in detail every message on this thread -- are there example USBR bicycle routes in OSM that we could look at? KerryIrons

Re: [Talk-us] User Cam4rd98 gun-jumping new highways + adding fictional alignments

Ian Dees writes: I've tried a couple times to reach out to this user with no response. This seems like a problem to me. Perhaps we (that is to say, the people who have the permission to stop an account from uploading) need an intermediate step between locking an account, and permitting random

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

Richard Welty writes: 3) in the US (and you did ask on talk-us), identifying and dealing with the shaky Tiger data from the 2007 tiger import. some of this has been done, but it's an ongoing effort and is one of those things that is easier to say than it is to do I've been adding lakes

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

Paweł Paprota writes: Sure but have you ever seen a link to OSM object (way/relation/node) in the internet? Sure. I link to them all the time (warning, these are all associated with railroads, so if you're not a railfan, click at your peril!): This search:

Re: [Talk-us] RAGBRAI Mapping

Toby Murray writes: Hmm... I might look at doing something similar for Biking Across Kansas. Not sure if these event routes really belong in OSM as a route relation though. They do not indicate a route that should be generally preferred for bicycles. It is just specific to a single event

Re: [Talk-us] RAGBRAI Mapping

KerryIrons writes: I hope you are aware that the RAGBRAI route changes every year. And that is not just adjustments to the route but rather completely different routes each year. While routes may repeat after a few years, if you did the RAGBRAI route every year you would eventually show

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data next steps

SteveCoast writes: If anything parcels will be hard. That's a good thing. If we want to take the easy route we should give up now. Well, as Josh points out, parcels are not necessarily related to anything on the ground. They could be, e.g. my property lines are co-incident with stone walls,

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

Brian Cavagnolo writes: We really want a nationwide consolidated, standard parcel database to build upon. Indeed. Is parcel data useful to OSM? Yes. Can parcel data possibly be kept up to date? No. Does parcel data meet the on the ground verifiability criteria? No. Not really.

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Michal Migurski writes: I'm familiar with his work and have run afoul of his views in the past, most recently when I performed a large scale edit to US route relation tags, some of which he did not agree with. I don't know if any were reverted. Nevertheless, I don't see the value in

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Richard Welty writes: NE2 asked me to share this diary entry with the list: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/diary/18600 That's interesting, but I'll note three things: o the tire tracks with one exception turn left, and o the one set of tire tracks that goes

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

I think that what he would say to the judge, when defending his traffic ticket in court, was that he *did* make a left ... and then a quick right. Since at no time did he move against the flow of traffic, he might prevail. There's a traffic light at that intersection, so it seems safe enough, if a

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Paul Johnson writes: Looking through the making turns section of the Florida driver's manual, the maneuver NE2 proposes and the argument you're giving to explain it still doesn't work. Mercy, Jesus, Mary, Mother of God!! I can't believe we're arguing the minutia of Florida traffic law here!

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect him to discuss this issue here. We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past, which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Steve Coast writes: Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. Nobody ever tells me about Waze. Today it's hard to convince any consumer they should do so over google or waze. Go to anybody who travels through bad cell coverage. Show them OSMAnd on a Nexus

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Serge Wroclawski writes: The result is that the data quality varies *a lot* and no one should take it (or any data source) as gospel, just as OSM data is not gospel. New York State has 62 counties, and only have bad TIGER data in about 8 of them. The rest are frankly, gorgeous. -- --my

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Steve Coast writes: On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Steve Coast writes: Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. Nobody ever tells me about Waze. You live in upstate New York, dude. :-) I have a 100Mbps

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Richard Welty writes: On 12/31/12 9:38 PM, Steve Coast wrote: On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Steve Coast writes: Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. Nobody ever tells me about Waze. You live

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Serge Wroclawski writes: Steve suggested we need addresses. He didn't ask for a crazy huge import. Well, he kinda did. The TIGER data has addresses. The original import didn't include them. We *could* triple the size of the data in the USA by creating address ways alongside the TIGER ways.

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Frederik Ramm writes: I think that is more than a theory. Weren't you the one who proposed to import some kind of park boundaries, years ago, and implement mechanisms to make the geometry un-changeable - reasoning that any change being made by mappers could only be for the worse? Yes,

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Ian Dees writes: Frederik's point is that you should only map things that other mappers can verify or improve on. Since you can't verify borders and boundaries or otherwise make them any better than the government data after they're imported, they don't belong in OSM. Anybody can verify

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

Ian Dees writes: The moment it makes its way in to OSM it becomes incorrect. There is *absolutely* no way to improve the data once it's in OSM, so it should not be in OSM. Period. That's a great theory, but I don't think many people subscribe to it. Of course anybody can improve on imported

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

Michal Migurski writes: Ah, good to know. Any idea what the approximate date and importing account were? MassGIS Import somewhere around 10/13/07. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY

Re: [Talk-us] Imports - an attempt to explain

Frederik Ramm writes: My, very personal, answer to this is that OSM is part of a greater movement of collaborative productivity, where people all over the world can and do join forces to create something great, something of value. Okay. Can you see how judicious imports *are* that

Re: [Talk-us] Imports - an attempt to explain

Richard Welty writes: and that's the kind of thing good imports can accomplish. and this sort of project can build the community too -- i plan to document what is being done for quality assurance, confidence testing, etc., quite thoroughly so that others can have a path to do it where they

Re: [Talk-us] Importing highway surface tags

Adam Franco writes: * Has anyone located a good source for state or national road surface data? It's very likely that this data is only available on a county-by-county basis. New York State has pushed the counties to put (at least) their parcel data online, but it's not funded, nor is there a

Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki

Scott Rollins writes: I'll just say that, whether bug or feature, this message perfectly encapsulates why I am unwilling to spend my time working on OSM. I don't want to waste my time, and by not having a good place to learn what to do, Scott, what Fred said! You don't need to be an expert

Re: [Talk-us] Imports

Ian Dees writes: All actions have consequences. Did importing TIGER hamper the OSM community building in the US or did poor advocacy? Maybe it was the existing vast, free data ecosystem? Maybe it was simply the sheer size of the country? You are asking a question that the opponents of

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy running

Matthias Meißer writes: as most noted, the Operation cowboy mapathon with focus on the USA started today! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_cowboy Putnam County in New York State needs a lot of love still. Lots of misaligned roads. -- --my blog is at

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

Jeff Meyer writes: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Right. So what do you think of the set of rules that I posted a bit ago? Well... I like mine better. ('natch!) Pursue the truth agreement do no harm. is a little easier to remember

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

Anthony writes: I agree that DWG has the authority to act, here. But as I understand it, the authority of DWG comes from OSMF, not from the OSM community. The DWG is specifically asking if it should have the authority to act. Please read the beginning message of this thread. Additionally,

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

Jeff Meyer writes: - An overarching code of behavior could be very helpful to empower the less aggressive mapper. Maybe something simple like: Pursue the truth agreement do no harm. It gives the oppressed some simple question to ask the difficult mapper. Each of the segments of the code

Re: [Talk-us] My personal Difficult USA Mapper situation update

Sam Iacullo writes: This email will be divided into two parts. The first contains specifics about the email that touched off the discussion about mapper issues, which I will call COMPLAINT'. If you want to skip this section for my opinion/commentary about the issue at large, you can scroll

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