RE: XML and U2

[Anthony Youngman]

Havving played with XML (and not very deeply) I got the impression that
one can "join" FILEs to give you effective sub-sub-sub style nesting .

However, seeing as my testing was limited to exporting a "nearly-flat"
file into MS's Infopath, I didnt' try digging very deeply.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 27 April 2004 23:08
To: 'Ronald Bourret'
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Subject: RE: XML and U2

You are correct that the built-in XML <--> U2 utilities go to sub-values
and
I think it makes sense to ignore the text values information at this
point.
Thanks.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:01 PM
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Subject: Re: XML and U2

Thanks. That clarifies things and I'll modify the entry for UniVerse to
account for this.

You do raise a new question when you say:

"The database comes pre-loaded with functions on multi-values and
multi-valued sub-values and users write similar functions to lower
levels if needed."

Does this mean that you can have sub-sub-values, sub-sub-sub-values, and
so on, ad infinitum? If so, do the XML tools handle this, adding more
sub-elements as needed?

The XML <=> DB mapping languages for UniData and UniVerse don't seem to
handle this, except that the documentation for UniData seems to allow
one level beneath sub-values, saying something about adding another
sub-element in the case of text marks. (I dutifully ignored this, having
spent too much time on the entries already :)

-- Ron

"Dawn M. Wolthuis" wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob --
> It is the rare table, indeed, that is created with a sql CREATE TABLE
> statement in a U2 database.  U2 has SQL as a second language.  It is
not
> really an RDBMS, but uses a data model very similar to the one used by
XML
> (a tree or di-graph structure).
> 
> With the CREATE-FILE command a file gets created and then when a
dictionary
> is populated, it is descriptive of the data (so not quite the same as
an
> RDBMS that way) and can include sub-fields.
> 
> The database comes pre-loaded with functions on multi-values and
> multi-valued sub-values and users write similar functions to lower
levels
if
> needed.  Let me know if that doesn't quite answer the question.
Thanks.
> --dawn
> 
> Dawn M. Wolthuis
> Tincat Group, Inc.
> www.tincat-group.com
> 
> Take and give some delight today.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Jerry Banker
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:30 AM
> To: U2-Users
> Subject: Fw: XML and U2
> 
> I finally got an answer back from Ron Bourret and he has added the U2
> products to his XML enabled list of databases. Anybody want to answer
his
> question? I could do it but I'm kind of busy right now.
> Jerry
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ronald Bourret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: XML and U2
> 
> This is to let you know that I've finally added UniVerse and UniData
to
> the list. You can see the entries at:
> 
>http://www.rpbourret.com/xml/ProdsXMLEnabled.htm#unidata
>http://www.rpbourret.com/xml/ProdsXMLEnabled.htm#universe
> 
> Comments / corrections welcome.
> 
> (One question I had was whether UniVerse supports multi-subvalued
> columns as well as multi-valued columns. There are a number of
> references to subvalues in the documents, but the UniVerse CREATE
TABLE
> command does not seem to support them...)
> 
> Thanks for you patience,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> > Jerry Banker wrote:
> >
> > Ronald Bourret,
> > Looking over your list of XML enabled databases I was impressed
> > however I noticed that you included IBM's DB2 product but excluded
> > IBM's most XML like databases referred to as their U2 product line
> > (uniVerse and Unidata). Both U2 products are post-relational and use
a
> > nested file architecture very much similar to XML design and do have
> > XML transformation tools (uniVerse more so than Unidata at the
latest
> > revision). XML documents can be output through their query language
> > and imported into the database through simple commands. Another
> > advantage is that the database can be accessed through it's native
> > query language or with SQL. You should look into these products if
you
> > have not already.
> > http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/u2/
> >
> > Jerry Banker
> > Member U2UG
> 
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RE: VOC corruption

[Anthony Youngman]

Seeing as it's the VOC, is there any reason this file should have
changed?

If no-one should have been changing it, then it is reasonable to assume
that somehow the hardware is involved. What other items are in the same
group as the corrupt item? Could any of them be being changed?

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 28 April 2004 03:05
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Subject: VOC corruption

Hi Folks,

Twice in the past month I have had a major server, with a business
critical system, come to a halt with corruption of the VOC file. The
first incident was tracked back to the possibility of errors on the SAN.
Hardware was replaced and the file has been resized (I assume by this it
has also been moved to a different area on the disk or disks) 

The following incident has no hardware indications in any log thus
making it a little hard to trace where the issue occurred. The customer
is, understandably, concerned this may happen again as unfortunately
both incidents have had a major impact on their business.

I am curious to find if any other sites have had a similar issue. Both
incidents were backward link errors in the same items. As noted above,
the file was resized between incidents and I assume is now in a
different area on the SAN. I have found nothing to date in any log on
the system. Any suggestions are welcome.

Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1A (Rev. 1885); Thu Feb 20 14:06:32 EST 2003
UniVerse 10.0.8

Thanks

David Logan
Database Administrator
HP Managed Services
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Australia

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

[Anthony Youngman]

Depends on your "local system". If it's a winterm or xterm, where's the
hard disk for you to "have locally installed GUI apps"?

What you've just defined is a "fat" client, not a "thin" one. By
definition, a thin client *doesn't* *have* a disk attached to the local
workstation...

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 22 April 2004 09:46
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based

Schalk, you don't have to send the screen layout up and down
the lines -
have locally installed GUI apps, pointing to remote site
data. When the
program loads up, it gets all it's programming power from
the local
workstation, and data transfer is at a minimum.

I know this is a nirvana, and a real drag to implement on
legacy
systems, but it can be done. One solution I saw was to have
every
possible screen display / prompt string stored in files
(this app was a
library system, and different language interfaces were
stored). These
storage files were stored locally on LAN drives, with  the
data stored
at one central place.

It worked a bomb.





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RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

[Anthony Youngman]

FYI, Novell HAVE purchased SuSE - the company, that is, not the
software.

So, with regard to my previous post that I've snipped :-) expect Netware
to go the way of Native Pick in the very near future. It will go the way
of AP/Pro, where it looks like Netware for all intents and purposes, but
it's actually an app running on top of a hidden linux kernel.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local
(quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The
representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$
products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse
Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has
purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all
of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows,
because of client demand, however their main focus would be in
writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have
been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm
not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on
that portion of the project.

The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products.

Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker)

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

[Anthony Youngman]

Just be careful!

The reason Sun does not want to open Java (in fact, Java itself is
available as open source, so all this crap about "open source-ing Java"
is just that - crap) is that it does not want the aim of Java - write
once run anywhere - to be subverted.

Given that it is on record that this is EXACTLY what MS intended to do
when they licenced Java from MS (hence the MS/Sun legal scraps) who can
blame Sun for being wary?

Java (not necessarily Sun's version) will be available on any platform
that people care to put it on. MS have made a point of saying (or at the
very least not denying) that .net is intended to work best with Windows
and, indeed, parts of it are likely to work ONLY with Windows.

So if I develop with Java on an IBM mainframe I have no expectation of
getting a nasty surprise from Sun. If I develop with .net, I have every
expectation of it failing to work with linux in the (maybe near) future.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 21 April 2004 15:52
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Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based

Yes, I agree.
But .NET is also an "open" specification, the .NET file format and the 
jvm are ecma "standardized".
And there is already an open .net vm : mono.
So using .net does not locked more into microsoft than using sun lock 
you into sun.
And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And

it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has 
already a "good environment" for .NET. More easy for us than installing 
java vm.

And the last events show us that sun does not want to open Java. So if 
sun dies, nobody can continue developping java.

It was only a kind of joke (why I used a smiley ;-), I don't want to 
start a war about sun/java versus Microsoft/.NET especially with the 
last agreement between sun and ms ;-)
Just use your prefered tool, I'll be ever productive than with a 
world-standard that you hate.

Christophe

Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:

>Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it.  But I sure
don't
>see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it.  The Java libraries
will be
>perpetuated with or without Sun.  For example, IBM develops with Java,
and
>I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun.
>
>"Locked into Microsoft" implies dollars (forever) while "locked into
Java"
>doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all.  Agree?  --dawn
>
>Dawn M. Wolthuis
>Tincat Group, Inc.
>www.tincat-group.com
>
>Take and give some delight today.
>
>
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>Behalf Of Christophe Marchal
>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM
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>
>Well, you have the java choice ;-)
>Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
>Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html
>
>But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-)
>
>Christophe
>
>  
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RE: RE: We need a web based Forum!

[Anthony Youngman]

Except you've only addressed one minor point of mine.

The fact is, most activity seems to happen stateside.

Email means I can actually hold a conversation with someone stateside.

A forum means any conversation is likely to go like a satellite phone -
with a TWELVE HOUR delay (on average) between each side speaking :-(
It's bad enough with the 3 second delay you typically get on the phone
as the signal goes via outer space, without it being twelve hours as it
goes via timezones.

For me, the practicalities are that fora turn into passive
entertainment. I can't join in, even if I want to. So don't expect me to
bother ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 21 April 2004 15:18
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Subject: OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!

OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do
with U2, but...

That has not been my experience with web forums.  Most forum software I
have seen brings topics with recent replies to the top, and highlights
threads with new activity.  I have seen long dormant threads become
active again weeks or months later because someone happened to read them
and reply.

As for the lack of "immediacy", good email integration seems to me to
solve that.

The argument that, for some people, access to email is more acceptable
in their environment than access to email, however, is a very valid one.

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:03, Anthony Youngman wrote:

> But it is far less "immediate". I sometimes have conversations with
> people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST
> (British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond.
> 
> Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York
> Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I
go
> home.
> 
> A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and
> forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to
> notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to
> catch them at it!
> 
> That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the
> reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty
of
> conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have
> contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are
> relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale.
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Geoffrey Mitchell
> Sent: 21 April 2004 00:10
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!
> 
> Why is that an argument?  A "forum" is not the same as a chatroom.  It
> is just as persistent as email.
> 
> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote:
> 
> > >From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we
sleep
> while
> > you work and vice versa.  It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in
Sydney
> -
> > expect to hear similar story from Australians in about 2 hours.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

[Anthony Youngman]

That's a LITTLE unfair :-)

Yes Miguel is a publicist, but the war is fought mainly by clueless
lusers who don't understand the real issues :-(

KDE is C++ and Free, Gnome is C and Open. There are fundamentally deep
issues with regard to all four choices, and the developers mostly
respect each others' viewpoints. It's a shame the lusers can't too.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based

Hello Tony,

At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote:
>I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono.  I believe it has a
>bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform
access
>into our MV apps.

Maybe also have a look at dotgnu:
 http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/

The mono project gets way more publicity, the project leader is renowned

for deliberately stirring to promote his projects(...i think he started
an 
open source 100 year war with the gnome-kde stuff).

- Robert

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RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

[Anthony Youngman]

You'll need to search the archives for this (I don't have any of the
stuff you mention :-) but there was discussion about calling virtual
fields from ODBC a little while ago.

I think at least one of the points was "does it rely on environment
variables or stuff set up by LOGIN?" It appears that ODBC has a
different login setup to a normal user - maybe even that UD needs a
correct $PATH to find the executable for SUBR? I dunno. Or do the
SUBRoutines rely on an initialised COMMON?

I think it should work (that was the consensus of the previous thread
iirc) but tracking down the exact problem might be a pain.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but
I've
got a client with a pressing problem.

They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their
current
DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system
running
6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access
virtual
fields that call SUBRoutines.

There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running
and
this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields.  Needless to say,
everything works fine against the DG.

The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData
6.0.5.  Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform,
or
of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding
calling
SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC.

The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the "sql>"
prompt
(other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with
a
variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS
Query.  Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show
the
server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries
blow
up and die.  Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they
call
a SUBR it gets nasty.

I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from
a
long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy.
I'm
hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved
it
(or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit
tomorrow
as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend!

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RE: We need a web based Forum!

[Anthony Youngman]

But it is far less "immediate". I sometimes have conversations with
people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST
(British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond.

Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York
Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I go
home.

A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and
forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to
notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to
catch them at it!

That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the
reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty of
conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have
contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are
relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale.

Cheers,
Wol.

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Sent: 21 April 2004 00:10
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!

Why is that an argument?  A "forum" is not the same as a chatroom.  It
is just as persistent as email.

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote:

> >From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we sleep
while
> you work and vice versa.  It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in Sydney
-
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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

[Anthony Youngman]

Have you ever tried running Citrix or X over a WAN? Apparently it is NOT to be 
recommended :-)

The thing is, what do you mean by "only data". The thinnest possible clients are 
Xterms or WinTerms, for which "only data" means "everything needed to repaint the 
screen". That CAN be a lot!

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 20 April 2004 15:18
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based

Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold the app on the client end and
only convey data.
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From: "Schalk van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based


> Dawn and all,
>
> Another aspect of GUI, which we sure have to consider, is data
> communication lines.
> Our operation is spread over 1000 kilometres, and sending GUI screens back
> and forth will certainly clog our lines. Except when you make use of local
> intelligence. The volume of data sent to paint a GUI screen must certainly
> be a factor of 50 more than with CUI. (?)
>
> Schalk
>
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:02:31 +0100, Brian Leach
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > To go back to Dawn's original post -
> >
> > Dawn,
> >
> > I've been writing GUI applications for UniVerse for about 15 years now.
> > Some
> > have worked, some have - well - been learning experiences.
> >
> > You shouldn't really compare GUI and character based. Why? Because then
> > you
> > inevitably start to think of the GUI in character based terms - the
> > arrangement of controls on a form, or the addition of some buttons.
> > That's
> > my main beef with 'intelligent' terminals - they obscure the real
> > picture.
> >
> > GUI is not about what you put on the screen. It's about the flow of
> > information, and how that flow best suits the application in question.
> > Data
> > entry is part of that flow, but only part: character based is good for
> > some
> > data entry and for administration, but a good application is also about
> > navigation, culture and the ease of finding information again.
> >
> > Here are two very different examples:
> >
> > I did a freight forwarding package for a company that previously was
> > entirely paper based. They took a - let's say "flexible" - approach to
> > rules, validations, pricing, descriptions etc - and wanted to keep that.
> > Providing a traditional system, with a nailed down design and entry
> > screens
> > just wouldn't work for them. In fact I tried that first as a prototype,
> > and
> > it didn't. Not in their culture.
> > So I designed a system that worked the same way as their forms. Every
> > page
> > matched the standard forms they used, except that information
> > automatically
> > infilled, was sent to their billing systems, collated to their work flow
> > for
> > follow ups and diarising etc ... But all invisibly. What they 'saw' were
> > the
> > forms they had used throughout. Even the validation was fairly soft, and
> > consisted mainly of highlighting things that were suspect. Annoying
> > popups
> > were kept to an absolute minimum, text and codes expanded directly from
> > typing, and generally the whole thing designed to look and feel as
> > unobtrusive as possible: nothing to interrupt their work flow. I
couldn't
> > have done that with a character based system because it couldn't have
> > represented the compexity of some of the forms (try doing an airway bill
> > or
> > customs declaration form and you'll see what I mean).
> >
> > As a more traditional example, I have a project management system that I
> > both designed and use. This is based on drill down principles, allowing
> > me
> > to track projects, modules, scheduled and tasks. Here the advantage of a
> > GUI
> > is persistence and workflow: because a GUI allows me to have multiple
> > windows open modelessly, I can track down from the projects or work
lists
> > into the individual tasks whilst keeping the lists (heirarchically
> > arranged)
> > still visible, so I don't have to keep closing down windows or
> > reselecting:
> > generally much more efficient. I can also display more, since most of
the
> > time I am interested in viewing information rather than changing it -
> > and at
> > the viewing stage I can use smaller fonts to display things that when
> > amended need larger screen estate. The diary is a case in point: I can
> > use
> > colours and smaller fonts to show different entries in a way that a
green
> > screen application wouldn't accommodate. And naturally I keep a document
> > path, so any documents/project plans/applications or other materials
> > connected with a task can be opened directly on my desktop.
> >
> > I have seen good GUIs: ones that improve process and work flow and make
> > life
> > genuinely easier.
> > I have seen bad GUIs that interrupt work flow, slow people down (bl**dy
> > mice

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

[Anthony Youngman]

And if they show any sign of regaining their old market share on
Windows, expect the "and work" to cease to be true ...

Actually - isn't that one of the aims of Longhorn - to totally break all
legacy doze apps?

Cheers,
Wol

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On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
Sent: 20 April 2004 06:56
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based

At 15:12 20/04/04, you wrote:
>  just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal
>vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers).

And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available.
And 
work   And are used.






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RE: We need a web based Forum!

[Anthony Youngman]

I think forums may be available (again) soon on the u2ug site - I'm not
sure.

But one of the reasons behind the muddle at u2ug was that a lot of
people DON'T like forums - they find them a pig to use even if they have
access.

I don't take the digest, for precisely the reason you've discovered. I
find google a pain because it makes news look like a forum - but I use
it if I have to. I use news or email from choice.

So, if and when the fora reappear, don't expect to find me (or a lot of
the other experts) there. TNSTAASB (tnstaa silver bullet) :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 20 April 2004 10:06
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: We need a web based Forum!

Trying to follow a thread in the digest today I had to wade through
pointless re-inclusions of previous posts where people had just hit the
reply-to option without doing any editing.

We have been here before I know. But a forum would sort all this. It is
user
friendly and you are able to follow just the threads you want to. You
can
also easily pick up a thread and follow it's history.

The main argument against the forum is that some of you out their can
not
"access the web". How can anyone in a development role do their job
properly
nowadays without being able to "access the web". I am sure that if all
we
had was a forum on the web, admin departments would be told that X needs
web
access and they would get it.

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RE: [UV] ODBC Account Flavor

[Anthony Youngman]

All our accounts (including ODBC) are either PI or PI/Open flavour.

However, as this is very close to IDEAL, it's no surprise that we don't
have any (serious) problems. (If you exclude the fact that
HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO seems to close the wIntegrate connection rather too
often for comfort :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: [UV] ODBC Account Flavor

I'm plowing through a project to setup a standard UV-ODBC table and
column definition for our application.  

Our application database accounts are setup as PICK flavored accounts.
For ODBC, we're going to setup a separate account for each application
account with file pointers to the DATA portion of files and cleaned-up
local dictionary files.  

I've been told by IBM that the "ODBC account must be IDEAL flavor".  I
know that isn't totally true as I have a proof-of-concept system setup
where the ODBC account is setup as PICK flavor.  Like application
accounts, is the flavor of the ODBC account simply a matter of
preference?  Or are there "limitations" with ODBC and PICK flavored
accounts that I should be aware of?

Tom Firl
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RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

[Anthony Youngman]

It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that
linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers
often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to
working :-(

Oh - and we're *guaranteed* a massive collision in server space within
the next 18 months or so ... Linux is at 25% of the market and growing
at 50% a year, Windows is still nudging slowly upwards and at 55%.
Obviously, if the market itself grows, then this combination of figures
could be sustained a bit longer, but absent that the alternatives will
have disappeared and linux and windows will be the only games in town -
and we've had a couple of high-profile "windows to linux" conversions
hit the news headlines in the last couple of weeks here - for example,
John Lewis are quoted as saying "we ported because Windows couldn't cope
with the growth in demand" :-)

Just as MS is using its grip on the client to push into the server room,
expect linux to do it the other way round ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)


> SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?.

According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html

Windows 90%+
Mac 4%
Linux1%

If anything over the last few years windows market share has been
increasing as mac which used
to be in excess of 5% fades slightly

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RE: [OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports

[Anthony Youngman]

And the mirror is designed to detach safely to avoid damage - except putting it back 
after it's detached itself is one of the easiest ways to break it ...

Been there, done that, £30 repair bill coming up to fix my wife's mirror that I walked 
into by mistake ...

And my daughter's car had that fault when we bought it - another £30 repair bill 
coming up :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2004 11:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports

Well, let's see...  the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I get in (my 
wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the 
brake pedal to get it to start, the window decides for itself to go all the way down 
when I just want it down a crack, and the turning radius sucks. But, 
hey, that's progress. It's new and improved.

Anyway, ignore this as the grumblings of an old codger whose coffee hasn't overcome 
the arthritis yet this morning.  ;^)

Regards,
Charlie Noah

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Change to the process flow is many times the impetus to replace a module or
application in the first place.  Change is not always terrible, although
feared. In truth I have found the fear to be more in the hearts of the IT
person who has tweaked the system over the past 15+ years and is insulted
that their masterpiece is being considered a dinosaur ready for replacement.
How dare they! You don't think that way when you replace your car now do
you?  You generally move into a newer improved model that outperforms the
car you left behind.  It may react a little differently, but overall the
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RE: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2

[Anthony Youngman]

Why?

He's got 4Gb of ram. If he overflows that by JUST ONE BYTE, if he was
running linux his performance would *collapse*.

If you do not have twice ram as swap, you only need to use ONE BYTE of
swap space and the linux algorithm will shit itself trying to cope. The
algorithm does not work very well if it doesn't have enough disk space,
and that's where the "twice swap" rule came from. So it's a very old
unix algorithm ... which is why I suspect AIX might suffer similarly.

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 16 April 2004 14:45
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2

HI All,

Before doubling you swap space, check to see how much you are using at
your busy times. We have an 8 Gig system, and a 6 Gig pool:

Page Space  Physical Volume   Volume GroupSize   %Used  Active  Auto
Type
paging00hdisk1rootvg6144MB   2 yes   yes
lv

Everyone into the pool!

Regards,

Steve Ferries
Vice President, Information Technologies
Total Credit Recovery Limited





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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2


Okay, it's AIX not linux, but I've just noticed that RAM = swap.

You are an ABSOLUTE FOOL if you do that on linux. Maybe (or maybe not)
the same applies to AIX - quite likely since they are both nixen and
probably manage memory similiarly.

Double swap space to 8Gb and see if that improves matters.

Oh - and if you don't believe me, a "swap = ram" configuration will
CRASH the early vanilla 2.4 kernels and that's 2002 vintage.

Cheers,
Wol

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Scott Richardson
Sent: 16 April 2004 14:06
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2

Performance of UV applications on various Operating Systems
is not rocket science. Perhaps better described as large, nasty
tight onions that need peeling, one layer at a time, and
understanding what each peeled layer is doing and why.
Once this knowledge is acquired and understood, a plan can
be built and executed to attack/resolve the problem.

Are users logging out/off when they're done using the system,
or when they've completed some large tasks or operations?
How often is the system rebooted?
RAID 5 file systems can slow down IO.
We'll need specifics on file system setup and parameters.
How many users? What are these users doing?
Have you got everyone and their siblings all running SELECT and
SORT operations all the time? Data Entry out the wazoo?

How big are the files, and how are they sized? How frequently
does data change in the files, (grow, shrink, etc...)

How big is your /tmp file system, and what kind of file system,
and where is it physically located?? Provide it it's own file system,
on it's own disk or disk set, (i.e. not the same disks where other
activity is going on).

4GB of RAM, yet only 4 GB paging/swap space?
Where is this swap paging space, (i.e. what disks?)

"topas" may be fine for quick and dirty analysis and understanding,
but using it extensively can help contribute to performance problems.

You need to configure and tune the platform, the OS, the UV DB,
the IO sub-system,  the applications, the users, and the
administration/operations, and thenensure they're all coordinated
with each other, to maximize platform performance.

To find, (and therefore address & resolve), the root causes of what
is happening here, you need to profile the platform using something
such as the DPMonitor, (extremely low-overhead monitoring Agent)
and display/crunch the performance metrics on another platform,
(i..e. a Windows Performance Explorer Console). Using this method,
you'll be able completely profile the entire platform, (OS and
applications),
around the clock, and then easily dial into specific timeframes where
problems are occurring, and fully understand exactly what is happening
and learn why it is happening, so it can be addressed and resolved,
and measure the progress along the entire way.

The DPMonitor is available with a free 10 day evaluation license where
it
will track system-wide performance metrics. Fully licensed version will
track individual processes that you select, or all processes if you so
desire. When you monitor all of the processes, you can quickly and
easily identify processes deserving further analysis, and stop tracking
processes that are not casuing any problems. More information on the
DPMonitor can be found at  <http://www.deltek.us> http://www.deltek.us
and the DPMonitor
can be downloaded right o

RE: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2

[Anthony Youngman]

Okay, it's AIX not linux, but I've just noticed that RAM = swap.

You are an ABSOLUTE FOOL if you do that on linux. Maybe (or maybe not)
the same applies to AIX - quite likely since they are both nixen and
probably manage memory similiarly.

Double swap space to 8Gb and see if that improves matters.

Oh - and if you don't believe me, a "swap = ram" configuration will
CRASH the early vanilla 2.4 kernels and that's 2002 vintage.

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Scott Richardson
Sent: 16 April 2004 14:06
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2

Performance of UV applications on various Operating Systems
is not rocket science. Perhaps better described as large, nasty
tight onions that need peeling, one layer at a time, and
understanding what each peeled layer is doing and why.
Once this knowledge is acquired and understood, a plan can
be built and executed to attack/resolve the problem.

Are users logging out/off when they're done using the system,
or when they've completed some large tasks or operations?
How often is the system rebooted?
RAID 5 file systems can slow down IO.
We'll need specifics on file system setup and parameters.
How many users? What are these users doing?
Have you got everyone and their siblings all running SELECT and
SORT operations all the time? Data Entry out the wazoo?

How big are the files, and how are they sized? How frequently
does data change in the files, (grow, shrink, etc...)

How big is your /tmp file system, and what kind of file system,
and where is it physically located?? Provide it it's own file system,
on it's own disk or disk set, (i.e. not the same disks where other
activity is going on).

4GB of RAM, yet only 4 GB paging/swap space?
Where is this swap paging space, (i.e. what disks?)

"topas" may be fine for quick and dirty analysis and understanding,
but using it extensively can help contribute to performance problems.

You need to configure and tune the platform, the OS, the UV DB,
the IO sub-system,  the applications, the users, and the
administration/operations, and thenensure they're all coordinated
with each other, to maximize platform performance.

To find, (and therefore address & resolve), the root causes of what
is happening here, you need to profile the platform using something
such as the DPMonitor, (extremely low-overhead monitoring Agent)
and display/crunch the performance metrics on another platform,
(i..e. a Windows Performance Explorer Console). Using this method,
you'll be able completely profile the entire platform, (OS and
applications),
around the clock, and then easily dial into specific timeframes where
problems are occurring, and fully understand exactly what is happening
and learn why it is happening, so it can be addressed and resolved,
and measure the progress along the entire way.

The DPMonitor is available with a free 10 day evaluation license where
it
will track system-wide performance metrics. Fully licensed version will
track individual processes that you select, or all processes if you so
desire. When you monitor all of the processes, you can quickly and
easily identify processes deserving further analysis, and stop tracking
processes that are not casuing any problems. More information on the
DPMonitor can be found at http://www.deltek.us and the DPMonitor
can be downloaded right off the website. If you're short on memory,
DPMonitor will allow you to see how much memory you will need to
allow the system to run as fast as it can, given how you're running it.
If you need tuning of OS or UV parameters, or other things that ay be
playing contributing factor/roles, the DPMonitor will clearly point this
out,
grahically, so that anyone can plainly see what is happening.

Once you make any changes, you'll be able to monitor, and measure,
any differences, consistently, and prove whether or not you have
improved, or detrimented, your cause. Best of all, you'll be able to
show, prove, and justify to  management what you're doing, and
why, and show them what it will take to get the problems addressed
and resolved, positively, without question.

Hope this helps.  I know the DPMonitor can & will help.
I have used it personally, numerous times, to peel many a complex onion,
understand what is exactly going on, find out why, and then put together
and executed plans that have successfully addressed and resolved similar
problems and streamlined operations moving forward saving many a
business significant time, frustration, and money, and then ensured that
any & all operations moving forward were done from a pro-active,
knowing ahead of time manner, rather than fire-fighting problems on a
continual basis. If you want something done, why not do it right, once?
Stop beating your head against the onion wall! Work smarter!
Let the DPMonitor be your detailed, EKG-like instrument to cut to
the heart of your complex application server p

RE: U2 Personal Editions

[Anthony Youngman]

For SuSE, I had to remove all the options to cpio.

Note also, that when it tries to set up the daemon to autostart on boot,
that fails also because SuSE uses a different /etc/rc.d setup. That
needs manually fixing, because you can't run uv as a user unless uvd is
running.

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 April 2004 22:28
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: U2 Personal Editions

For Debian, i had to remove the "c" option from the "taperead='cpio
-ivc..."
line.  Somewhere along the way, i must have installed
compress/uncompress,
so that wasn't an issue.

Now, if i can figure out why my xterm gets clobbered when i start uv as
root.
Something wrong with the emulation somewhere.  Seems to work ok as a
normal
user.  There must be something in the admin menu that messes it up.

Charles Hawkins
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RE: PI Open is going away

[Anthony Youngman]

Ummm... My wife will murder me for this ... but I'd love to have a copy
(we've lost a lot of ours). Scan them or whatever. If I'm up your way
for some reason (I go up the M1 regularly, but have my wife with me ...)
I'd relieve you of them.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 16 April 2004 09:54
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: PI Open is going away

I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open.
It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into
retirement.

Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals.

Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB
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RE: PI Open is going away

[Anthony Youngman]

I'm planning (when I get the chance) to resurrect the EXL7330 in my
garage. And the reason I salvaged it from work is that it has PI/Open on
it ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 15 April 2004 21:34
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: PI Open is going away

Clif,

We're using PI/Open on our HP for a subset of our accounting
data.
We also have a copy of PI/Open 3.2 running on an old Prime/EXL - the
MIPS
based box that Prime used to sell!  We may even have a copy of PI/PC
around
somewhere.

Jeff Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald & Long, Inc. 

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Behalf Of Clifton Oliver
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Subject: Re: PI Open is going away

As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious
how
many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound
off?

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On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote:

> The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement.
>
> U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement
>
>   Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the
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RE: Label printers on AIX and/or Solaris

[Anthony Youngman]

Just don't fall into the trap our idiot tech support fell into ...

We had a printronix (nice beast, maybe try getting one of those
yourself...) anyways, something upset its config.

So tech support thought it was busted and replaced it. And $DEITY the
grief the replacement caused... because we had a tendency to print
single labels, like you, I'd set up the config to print one label per
"page", and set up the printronix as "12 lines per page". It happily let
you specify any random number.

The new printer presented you with an (unchangeable) predetermined list,
the smallest of which was 4". So here we are, printing a label followed
by a formfeed, which skips TWO labels. The result is that we ended up
wasting one label in two :-(

Oh well.

Cheers,
Wol

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On Behalf Of Karjala Koponen
Sent: 05 April 2004 21:01
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Label printers on AIX and/or Solaris

Friends,

I really have no time for any development, however small, on this.  Too
many other higher priority projects on my list.  These printers are used
by many people, however infrequently, so having the printer attached and
driven from a single workstation is not attractive, though I might be
able to get somebody else to do that setup work.  I don't know how
people would like using central workstations for generating labels.  I
suppose I could have an old PC logged into our UniData application and
somehow drive the printer from the server, but I don't know how to do
that, though there was a recent thread that might be relevant.  Yes, I
could write an application that would send the correct control sequences
and I don't think it would take much time (only because I've done a very
similar task at another company), but that's not a zero time project,
either.

Guess I'll have to recommend that we just upgrade to a better text
printer for now.

Thanks for your ideas, Karjala


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/2004 3:14:57 PM >>>
Hey Karjala,

Why not just purchase something like a Dymo SE300 label printer and put
it
on a Windows workstation, connected to the network running the U2
application? ...

Regards,
Scott
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Hello,

I'm running UniData 5.2.15 on AIX 4.3.2 but will be going to UniData
6.0.9
on Solaris 2.8.  We have two stand alone Epson LX300+ 9 pin dot matrix
printers we use to print labels.  They are defined as generic (ASCII)
devices.  The printers are old and the output is acceptable, at best.

I'd like to replace the printers with label printers that will print on
peel
off labels of roll stock.  ...

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RE: callHTTP

[Anthony Youngman]

Don't forget also, there are standards that define what should go "down
the wire" when talking over the network.

I think those standards say that the correct sequence for "end of line"
is "crlf". Because printers were usually controlled down a wire, and
they assumed cr meant cr and lf meant lf.

Cheers,
Wol

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Hi Mike,

UniVerse sockets will not strip CRLF.

Attached is some old code I used to do HTTP requests for a screen
scraping
thing I was trying out when I couldn't get CALLHTTP to work as I
expected.

No promises that it will work, I haven't touched it in a while.

I posted a trimmed version of this code on the list a few years ago.

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RE: PDF Manual [Data typing in MV Basic]

[Anthony Youngman]

Acrobat 6, certainly initially, had, well, "issues".

Something to do with compatibility, and not liking files created by
earlier versions.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 02 April 2004 00:24
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Subject: RE: PDF Manual [Data typing in MV Basic]

> -Original Message-
> Behalf Of Robert Stearns
>
> found) unified search facility. The online manuals are great for those
> times you want an indepth discussion of a topic, or to first learn a
> subject, but are abysmal (IMNSHO) as a quick reference for a syntax
> question or a summary. While it has not been updated in a few
versions,

Get Adobe Reader 6. It is FREE. It has a very _good_ search facility
(Ctrl-F). As long as you have installed the manuals with the indexes you
can
search across all the manuals with a variety of options.

> the data is sufficient in day to day  programming. BTW the current PDF
> is set up for larger pages (8.5"x11" IIRC) so that ehe Kinko solution
is
> not a particlaraly good one, especially since the PDF contains page
> images (not text) for some down level version (9.? I believe). That is
> not particularly conducive to reformatting.

Poppycock

Regards,
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RE: DATA statement Clearing?

[Anthony Youngman]

We have programs that make extensive use of data statements. And they
regularly screwed up because people asked us to change the prompt
sequence (adding new requests or whatever...)

So I've been steadily rewriting them all to use arguments on the command
line, retrieving it all from @SENTENCE.

One little tip - I always add the option BATCH, which is set by looking
for the word on the command line as the program starts. My input code
then knows, if this flag is set, that there is no user to ask the
information from. And if I'm asked to add more user input, seeing this
option in other inputs reminds me that I need to add it here, and
provide a default because I'm not allowed to prompt.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: RE: DATA statement Clearing?

You bring up a good point. Design-time decisions seemed to make sense
that this would be the easiest way to do this project with the greatest
amount of 'after the fact' support freedom, so, reading the data from a
file wasn't considered. However, we just had a discussion and decided it
wouldn't be that tough to make the change over.

CLEARDATA works on uniVerse, too. Thanks. Darn Manuals. Why can't they
just talk to me?

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RE: XML or WORD Format???

[Anthony Youngman]

If that's the case, then play with the files and see what happens.

Actually, another thing I've just thought of. Try opening the pdf in
Acrobat, then do a cut-n-paste into Word. That might (or might not)
achieve what you're after.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 01 April 2004 15:00
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Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???

Unfortunately, the invoices themselves have the graphics embedded.
However, I can capture just the text without loosing the structure.

John.

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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:54 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???


Ah ...

This looks good.

Are your invoices prettied up in any way, or are they just courier on
preprinted paper? If the latter, any nix programmer worth his salt ought
to be able to faff about with awk, sed or similar to strip out escape
sequences, make sure the right characters are used for line feeds and
page throws, and convert pcl to txt.

Get a pcl manual, use Midnight Commander to view the pcl in binary mode,
and get playing :-)

If the invoices are pretty-pretty word-processed type stuff, it gets
harder ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Haas, John
Sent: 01 April 2004 14:49
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???

Thanks,

The goal is to have a copy of our invoice that can be opened in WORD or
Excel.  I only mentioned the PCL and .pdf formats because these are
already produced when we create an invoice.  If there is another way
please let me know.  We are running Universe version 9.6.

John.


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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:43 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???


In one word - it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Okay, you may be able to achieve what you want, though. The thing is,
the output of pdf and pcl is an image, Word and xml are structured text.
You can't go automatically from a structure-free format to a structured
format.

I'd investigate ghostscript, and see if you can get it to throw out a
text document rather than postscript (or feed the postscript through a
ps2txt filter), but if your original pdf or pcl was of a graphic, then
you're stuffed without an ocr filter in place.

So, basically, what you're after can be achieved, but without knowing
what is IN your input files, it's impossible to recommend (or even
guess) what might or might not work.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: XML or WORD Format???

Does Anyone know of a way to convert either .pdf or PCL formats to XML
and/or WORD format that will run under HP-UX.

Thanks in advance.

John. 
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RE: XML or WORD Format???

[Anthony Youngman]

Ah ...

This looks good.

Are your invoices prettied up in any way, or are they just courier on
preprinted paper? If the latter, any nix programmer worth his salt ought
to be able to faff about with awk, sed or similar to strip out escape
sequences, make sure the right characters are used for line feeds and
page throws, and convert pcl to txt.

Get a pcl manual, use Midnight Commander to view the pcl in binary mode,
and get playing :-)

If the invoices are pretty-pretty word-processed type stuff, it gets
harder ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Haas, John
Sent: 01 April 2004 14:49
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???

Thanks,

The goal is to have a copy of our invoice that can be opened in WORD or
Excel.  I only mentioned the PCL and .pdf formats because these are
already produced when we create an invoice.  If there is another way
please let me know.  We are running Universe version 9.6.

John.


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From: Anthony Youngman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:43 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format???


In one word - it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Okay, you may be able to achieve what you want, though. The thing is,
the output of pdf and pcl is an image, Word and xml are structured text.
You can't go automatically from a structure-free format to a structured
format.

I'd investigate ghostscript, and see if you can get it to throw out a
text document rather than postscript (or feed the postscript through a
ps2txt filter), but if your original pdf or pcl was of a graphic, then
you're stuffed without an ocr filter in place.

So, basically, what you're after can be achieved, but without knowing
what is IN your input files, it's impossible to recommend (or even
guess) what might or might not work.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 01 April 2004 14:33
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Subject: XML or WORD Format???

Does Anyone know of a way to convert either .pdf or PCL formats to XML
and/or WORD format that will run under HP-UX.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?

[Anthony Youngman]

If WIN.PCRUN requires 2 parameters, then I guess the second parameter
should be null.

And which way of doing things is best? To throw up the url in the USER's
choice of browser, or the PROGRAMMER's choice of browser?

I'm afraid I come from the old school - give the user what they want, if
it's easily done. I get well pissed off when my computer starts
displaying things using the "wrong" app. And I don't see why I should
impose such disfunctional behaviour on my users.

(Plus it's a neat thing to know that windows will execute a document
using its default app - it may be that IE is the default app for .html
in 99% of cases, but what's the default for .jpg? - how do you know the
app you're about to ask for even exists on the client?)

Cheers,
Wol

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On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 01 April 2004 14:38
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?

I believe WIN.PCRUN requires 2 parameters. Please provide the other.
Thanks.
You could provide your desired browser in the first parameter and the
URL in
the second. Just because a small fraction doesn't use IEXPLORE doesn't
mean
that 99.9 percent don't either. Everyone can figure this out for
themselves.

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From: "Anthony Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?


Except that it assumes that IE is the default browser. And at home,
where my firewall is configured to BLOCK IE, it would probably get you
nowhere.

I'm not sure of the syntax, but something like

 CALL WIN.PCRUN(URL)

should fire up the url in the default browser. There were reports on
u2-users a couple of weeks back that this sort of thing (executing a
document) does work fine.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 01 April 2004 04:53
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?

If running Wintegrate this databasic command works:

CALL WIN.PCRUN("IEXPLORE.EXE", URL)

where URL could be any web address. I use it often to retrieve shipping
from
UPS.com or hooking map sites to dispatching screens.

my 1 cent. can't help you on topic 2 unless you post the report as HTML
to a
PC file and have the URL be the file reference.

In fact, here's a sub to hook to any cust maint.

001 SUBROUTINE MAP01(ADDR, ZIP)
002 ***
003 * TO INSTANTIATE THE BROWSER FOR INTERNET FOR THIS URL
004 * MAJ 121002
005 ***
006 CONVERT " " TO "+" IN ADDR
007 CONVERT " " TO "+" IN ZIP
008 PROG="C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE"
009
URL="http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address
+Below&addr=":ADDR:"&csz=":ZIP:"&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map"
010 CALL WIN.PCRUN(PROG, URL)
011 RETURN
012 END

I see that you are in AU so adjust the URL in this example for the
appropriate country. I just go to the yahoo map page with an address and
cut/paste that url into MV and fixup.

Happy April 1. It's still yesterday here.


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From: "LeRoi Keiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:39 PM
Subject: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?


> Hi
>
> I have a client (customer) who wishes to launch users' desktop
browsers
from
> a UniVerse server.
>
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RE: XML or WORD Format???

[Anthony Youngman]

In one word - it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Okay, you may be able to achieve what you want, though. The thing is,
the output of pdf and pcl is an image, Word and xml are structured text.
You can't go automatically from a structure-free format to a structured
format.

I'd investigate ghostscript, and see if you can get it to throw out a
text document rather than postscript (or feed the postscript through a
ps2txt filter), but if your original pdf or pcl was of a graphic, then
you're stuffed without an ocr filter in place.

So, basically, what you're after can be achieved, but without knowing
what is IN your input files, it's impossible to recommend (or even
guess) what might or might not work.

Cheers,
Wol

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Does Anyone know of a way to convert either .pdf or PCL formats to XML
and/or WORD format that will run under HP-UX.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?

[Anthony Youngman]

Except that it assumes that IE is the default browser. And at home,
where my firewall is configured to BLOCK IE, it would probably get you
nowhere.

I'm not sure of the syntax, but something like

 CALL WIN.PCRUN(URL)

should fire up the url in the default browser. There were reports on
u2-users a couple of weeks back that this sort of thing (executing a
document) does work fine.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Re: How to launch remote browser from UniVerse server?

If running Wintegrate this databasic command works:

CALL WIN.PCRUN("IEXPLORE.EXE", URL)

where URL could be any web address. I use it often to retrieve shipping
from
UPS.com or hooking map sites to dispatching screens.

my 1 cent. can't help you on topic 2 unless you post the report as HTML
to a
PC file and have the URL be the file reference.

In fact, here's a sub to hook to any cust maint.

001 SUBROUTINE MAP01(ADDR, ZIP)
002 ***
003 * TO INSTANTIATE THE BROWSER FOR INTERNET FOR THIS URL
004 * MAJ 121002
005 ***
006 CONVERT " " TO "+" IN ADDR
007 CONVERT " " TO "+" IN ZIP
008 PROG="C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE"
009
URL="http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address
+Below&addr=":ADDR:"&csz=":ZIP:"&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map"
010 CALL WIN.PCRUN(PROG, URL)
011 RETURN
012 END

I see that you are in AU so adjust the URL in this example for the
appropriate country. I just go to the yahoo map page with an address and
cut/paste that url into MV and fixup.

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RE: Data typing in MV Basic

[Anthony Youngman]

And seeing as I'm playing around with a p-code compiler ...

It's very simple for the compiler to do it that way. All the compiler
cares about is "is it a string or literal?". And if it's a literal, it
processes it as unquoted ascii text. So, as far as I'm concerned, as it
comes from the lexer into the parser I have already lost the distinction
between '1' and '"1"', and can't tell them apart...

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic

"Anthony Youngman"...

> 'A = 1' and 'A = "1"' both result in IDENTICAL p-code.

This is certainly how the UD compiler works.

I say its a bug, because  'A="1.1"' and 'A="1,1"' *don't* result in the
same
p-code - and it doesn't just differ by the comma - one is stored as a
string
the other as a number.

This then causes problems running with 'SET.DEC ,' (which changes the
decimal separator to a comma) since the "1.1" which was meant to be a
literal gets changed to "1,1", eg...

VERSION="1.1"
READ VERSION.INFO FROM VFP,VERSION ELSE VERSION.INFO=''

The version file is keyed on strings which happen to be numbers.  The
version code is hard-coded into a program as a string - ie it has qoutes
round it.  With 'SET.DEC ,' to please some Europeans, the s/w converts
VERSION to "1,1" before doing the read since it is a number not a string
-
and so fails to read the item. I'd want this to happen with
'VERSION=1.1'
which is specifying a number.  As with everything, this can be worked
around,  but what a pita.

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RE: Data typing in MV Basic

[Anthony Youngman]

Thanks.

(For those who were wondering, I never saw the debug post :-( I guess
our antispam ate it :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart
Sent: 31 March 2004 21:31
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic

Wol,

It is not how the compiler deals with the information but how the
runtime
engine deals with the data.
I have demonstrated the runtime engine types the data based on how it is
entered in the source code.
A = 1 is typed as a numeric by the runtime engine and A = "1" is typed
as a
string. In an earlier
post I provided the following proof.

 TST   
0001 DEBUG
0002 A = 1
0003 A = "1"  
0004 STOP 
>RUN XP TST   
 TST:   2: A = 1  
:: S  
 TST:   3: A = "1"
:: A/ 
INTEGER: 1
:: S  
 TST:   4: STOP   
:: A/ 
STRING: T r L=1 `1'   
:: 

The program simply sets the variable A to 1 or "1" and when run it goes
in
to debug mode.
I then stepped through each line and displayed the contents of the
variable
A by typing A/ as you can
see the runtime engine reports each line as INTEGER or STRING depending
on
how the data was entered in the
source code.

Regards,
Stewart

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From: Anthony Youngman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 19:15
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic


Why?

Let's work on the basic principal of "coercion occurs when necessary,
and not before".

The compiler detects "1" as a string literal. It stores it as a literal.
The compiler detects 1 as a numeric literal. It stores it as a literal.
(The compiler doesn't give a damn about strings or numerics - a literal
is a literal is a literal)

Therefore 'A = 1' and 'A = "1"' both result in IDENTICAL p-code.

Therefore, unless you know how the compiler works, your conclusion is
demonstrably flawed.

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart
Sent: 31 March 2004 08:31
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Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic

A = 1 is held as an integer
A = "1" is held as a string
A = "1" + 0 is held as an integer

Cheers,
Stewart

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Youngman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:00
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic


You've missed the point! :-)

These two statements apparently have exactly the same effect - the
question is do they?

A = 1
A = "1"

(In the stuff I'm writing, they'd be the same - everything is a string
until it is forced into numeric.)

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Jim Garratt
Sent: 31 March 2004 07:39
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic

Would this not be set by your initialisation of the variable A.

eg A = '';*Alpha/Numeric or  String
 A = 0   ; Numeric


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From: "Trevor Ockenden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic


> Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of
programming
> in MV I haven't needed to worry about it.
>
> Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = "1" assigns 1 as numeric.
How
> would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case?
>
> My short answer is - why would I need to know? BUT I'm sure somebody
has a
> good answer to that one.
>
> Cheers
>
> Trevor Ockenden
> Open Systems Professionals
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic
>
>
> > In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:19:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> > > A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain
> operators
> > > (+,-,etc) to be numeric.
> > > A = "1" assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared
it
to
> be
> > > string.
> > > A = "1" + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is
> numeric.
> > > A = "one" + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message.
> >
> > yes
> > no
> > yes
> > yes
> >
> > they all assign numerics imho
> > "1" is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to
r

RE: Data typing in MV Basic

[Anthony Youngman]

Why?

Let's work on the basic principal of "coercion occurs when necessary,
and not before".

The compiler detects "1" as a string literal. It stores it as a literal.
The compiler detects 1 as a numeric literal. It stores it as a literal.
(The compiler doesn't give a damn about strings or numerics - a literal
is a literal is a literal)

Therefore 'A = 1' and 'A = "1"' both result in IDENTICAL p-code.

Therefore, unless you know how the compiler works, your conclusion is
demonstrably flawed.

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart
Sent: 31 March 2004 08:31
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic

A = 1 is held as an integer
A = "1" is held as a string
A = "1" + 0 is held as an integer

Cheers,
Stewart

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Youngman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:00
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Data typing in MV Basic


You've missed the point! :-)

These two statements apparently have exactly the same effect - the
question is do they?

A = 1
A = "1"

(In the stuff I'm writing, they'd be the same - everything is a string
until it is forced into numeric.)

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jim Garratt
Sent: 31 March 2004 07:39
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic

Would this not be set by your initialisation of the variable A.

eg A = '';*Alpha/Numeric or  String
 A = 0   ; Numeric


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From: "Trevor Ockenden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic


> Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of
programming
> in MV I haven't needed to worry about it.
>
> Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = "1" assigns 1 as numeric.
How
> would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case?
>
> My short answer is - why would I need to know? BUT I'm sure somebody
has a
> good answer to that one.
>
> Cheers
>
> Trevor Ockenden
> Open Systems Professionals
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic
>
>
> > In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:19:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> > > A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain
> operators
> > > (+,-,etc) to be numeric.
> > > A = "1" assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared
it
to
> be
> > > string.
> > > A = "1" + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is
> numeric.
> > > A = "one" + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message.
> >
> > yes
> > no
> > yes
> > yes
> >
> > they all assign numerics imho
> > "1" is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to
realize
its
> a
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> >Any idea how to test which it is?
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RE: Data typing in MV Basic

[Anthony Youngman]

You've missed the point! :-)

These two statements apparently have exactly the same effect - the
question is do they?

A = 1
A = "1"

(In the stuff I'm writing, they'd be the same - everything is a string
until it is forced into numeric.)

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Jim Garratt
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Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic

Would this not be set by your initialisation of the variable A.

eg A = '';*Alpha/Numeric or  String
 A = 0   ; Numeric


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To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic


> Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of
programming
> in MV I haven't needed to worry about it.
>
> Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = "1" assigns 1 as numeric.
How
> would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case?
>
> My short answer is - why would I need to know? BUT I'm sure somebody
has a
> good answer to that one.
>
> Cheers
>
> Trevor Ockenden
> Open Systems Professionals
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:10 PM
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>
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> >
> >
> > > A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain
> operators
> > > (+,-,etc) to be numeric.
> > > A = "1" assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared
it
to
> be
> > > string.
> > > A = "1" + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is
> numeric.
> > > A = "one" + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message.
> >
> > yes
> > no
> > yes
> > yes
> >
> > they all assign numerics imho
> > "1" is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to
realize
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RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

He's doing a SCO ... when you give him any facts he just repeats his
baseless assertions :-)

Yes we know a screwdriver is far better and newer technology, but that
still doesn't mean it beats a hammer for driving nails :-) (Well, it
does if you're too dumb to learn how to use a hammer, but that's another
topic ...)

Cheers,
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Then perhaps you should take your own advice and "HIT DELETE"

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[unsightly rubbish snipped]

IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE... 
WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof...

Instead of start Calling People Names... like school kids!

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RE: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

I think the fora were meant to be in addition to the lists. A lot of
people apparently DO want the fora.

The problem is that a *different* lot of people seem also to want the
mailing list. And bear in mind that the lists are actually run by an
organisation that is a commercial concern, and neither IBM nor u2ug.

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Ron White
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:14
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing


- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[snip]

U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. 

[snip]

Cheers,
Wol


If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening
or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum
idea.  It seems to have been done without the input of the very
people it is supposed to serve.

For the record, I have unlimited internet access both at work
and at home but I think the forum idea sucks.  I want my list
info via email so I can filter it and read it offline at a time that
is convenient for me and my employer.  I have subscribed to
U2UG but I don't expect to spend much time there.

Ron White




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RE: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

Except that IBM has precious little to do with U2UG.

Okay, they want to help us, but there's that little matter of "being
beholden to your sponsor", which we are not and we most definitely do
not want to become.

U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. It has nothing to
do with IBM apart from the fact that we see it as our mutual
self-interest to work together.

Cheers,
Wol

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 30 March 2004 14:06
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing

Perhaps if IBM or whomever is sponsoring the U2UG.org site is listening
to
the feedback of the current members of this list that they will respond
in a
'customer-oriented' kinda way. That's why it's called SOFTware. It can
change to meet the needs of its customers.

I agree with the reduction of efficiency that the new method will cause.
Hopefully IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service
the
oliver list provided.

my 1 cent.


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RE: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

What do we do? It looks like the answer may well be "wait and your
prayers will be answered" :-)

I'm getting vibes (so no promises here!) that there may well soon be a
"forum to email" gateway. How usable it will be I don't know, but other
people have the same problem on other sites, and it sounds like
something is being done ...

Just a pain the lists are set to disappear well before this thing is
likely to become reality :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett
Sent: 30 March 2004 11:19
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing

Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" Johnson

Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't
live in the
land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic,
we have
employment contracts that forbid us from internet access
during the day,
yet we still need access to U2 info.

What do _you_ suggest we do?

I've subscribed to your glorious forum, I get wee posties
saying there
are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to
see these.

What do _you_ suggest I do?

-Original Message-
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1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue

Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested
in and click
on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email
box just as
they do now.  You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE
you wont be
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RE: A Parting Request

[Anthony Youngman]

Or on the consultant's page at PickWiki.

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: 29 March 2004 21:15
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: A Parting Request

Darwin,

Sorry to hear you are in a dry spell.

You might also consider posting your information on the "Talent 
Available" forum at www.u2ug.org, if you have not done so already.

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RE: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

Simple!

He's saying "Don't mix web and email". And I couldn't agree more. If I
get a forum post sent to me by email, I don't want the grief and hassle
of firing up a browser, and a web connection, and and and ...

Oh - and I've just recently upgraded my email client at home. The
assumption when the previous version was written was that mail got read
OFF line. So web links in email didn't work because it assumed there
wouldn't be a web accessible to get at. I suspect there are still a lot
of clients like that around ...

And how many people know to "click on subscribe"? I didn't ...

Cheers,
Wol

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 March 2004 20:54
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing

Could you explain what you are referring to more clearly?

In a message dated 3/29/2004 2:09:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
> Not to be obnoxious but why not keep data in one place?  How would it
benefit someone to start a question in one medium and then be referred
to another?  That sound counter-intuitive to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The lists are closing
> 
> 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
> 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
> 3) We DONT want the lists to continue
> 
> Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and
click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box
just as they do now.  You can register, but 
> if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing
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RE: The lists are closing

[Anthony Youngman]

Ye'll tak the high road and I'll tak the low road ...

Cheers,
Wol 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Burwell, Edward
Sent: 29 March 2004 15:35
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing

"..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side..."

 - Ozzy Osbourne

-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
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Cliff,

We whose lists are about to die, salute you.

It's been a great service - you should be held up as a shining example
to
moderators everywhere in promoting the best blend of discussion, humour
and
debate amongst a very informative list.

More than that, you have made us all into a (not always united, but what
the
hell) community. I'll miss picking through the 700+ emails when I get
back
from holidays, and I'm sure my productivity will increase as a result

but what I will mostly miss is the feeling of being part of an
immediate,
entertaining and switch-on online community.


Brian

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RE: U2UG Contract

[Anthony Youngman]

We do NOT want to start a new newsgroup, imho. Better consolidate what
we've got, rather than fragment it. The advantage (and disadvantage) of
the oliver groups was that it was solely u2. Great for u2-specific
problems, but if the problem was more generic there is an awful lot of
expertise out there that you were shielded from.

Given that u2ug operates at least one mailing list, I would hope we can
just take over the lists - that would be the best option from my point
of view ...

Cheers,
Wol

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On Behalf Of Matti Lamprhey
Sent: 29 March 2004 11:55
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: U2UG Contract

I suggest we take over comp.databases.pick or fire up something new on
usenet -- I agree that web-based discussion groups tend to suck majorly.

Matti

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Behalf Of Anthony Youngman
Sent: 29 March 2004 10:16
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: U2UG Contract


My other, !!!MAJOR!!! concern with this is the loss of the medium of
mail. This is actually probably quite a serious loss for non-USians :-(
(Plus it's the only practical medium at work :-(

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RE: U2UG Contract

[Anthony Youngman]

news:comp.databases.pick 

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 29 March 2004 10:38
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: U2UG Contract



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 19:16
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: U2UG Contract


SNIP  
- consolidating the MV world back to cdp is something I'm very pro.
SNIP


As a relative new list-user could you please let us know what 'cdp' is?

Thanks

Rainer


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RE: U2UG Contract

[Anthony Youngman]

My other, !!!MAJOR!!! concern with this is the loss of the medium of
mail. This is actually probably quite a serious loss for non-USians :-(
(Plus it's the only practical medium at work :-(

Forum software assumes easy access to a fast, cheap internet pipe. None
of the fora I have seen is conducive (to my mind) to a good, in-depth
conversation. And, to put it bluntly, I PREFER to work off-line. I know
I'm often sloppy :-) but working in fora means I'm also rushed. And I
get put off by pages that grow and start to crawl (or get chopped up so
I can't find what I'm looking for...). Plus, there's the time
difference. How do I help someone stateside or down-under if our access
times only overlap by an hour? With the list, it just happens that we
notice the other person is around. With a forum, it's chance that mostly
never happens :-(

Obviously, as part of the u2ug board :-) I look at the fora, but I think
it's a pretty safe bet that losing the oliver lists means I will migrate
back to cdp for the most part, not to u2ug.org. Not that I think that
would be a bad thing - consolidating the MV world back to cdp is
something I'm very pro.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful, Clif has done us a wonderful service,
and this is really meant as a back-handed compliment :-) the lists WILL
be sorely missed.

Cheers,
Wol

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Martin Phillips
Sent: 29 March 2004 10:01
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: U2UG Contract

Hi all,

Firstly, thanks to Cliff for all his work over the years.

I guess that most of us are looking to move to the U2UG site.  I started
off
down that path this morning but, being a careful sort of person, I read
the
terms and conditions.  Clause 7a worries me.  I have discussed this
briefly
with our legal advisors who said that we shouldn't agree to it without
clarification.

So what is clause 7a?...

7. Submission of Content on this Web Site.
By providing any Content to our web site:
(a) you agree to grant to us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual,
non-exclusive right and license (including any moral rights or other
necessary rights) to use, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish,
distribute, perform, promote, archive, translate, and to create
derivative
works and compilations, in whole or in part. Such license will apply
with
respect to any form, media, technology known or later developed;

My non-legal mind looks at this and reads into it that once I have
submitted
a posting to the site, I give away all rights to everything I have done
and
all my future work that may have any connection with what I have posted.
I'm not even certain that the connection is necessary!

Any views out there before we all (possibly) donate our life's work to
IBM?


Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB
+44-(0)1604-709200

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RE: How to sort a file by multivalue field?

[Anthony Youngman]

Look at BY.EXP. It returns a select list of "keys" separated by @FMs,
each "key" being "@ID @VM FIELD.VALUE". You'll need to manipulate it
yourself converting @VMs to *s if that's the way you want it.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: How to sort a file by multivalue field?

How can I SELECT  a file by a multivalue field and return a list of
@ID:"*":FIELD.VALUE in sorted order of FIELD.VALUE?
 
E.g:
 
record A = 800:@VM:600:@VM:700
record B = 400:@VM:900:@VM:1000:@VM:300
record C = 650:@VM:200
 
I want the output as follows:
 
C*200
B*300
B*400
A*600
C*650
A*700
A*800
B*900
B*1000
 
Thanks for any help.
Marco


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RE: Optimisation ?

[Anthony Youngman]

Did you know the Americans weren't even the first to build a successful
aeroplane?

The first aircraft built that flew successfully (note my strange word
order :-) was built in 1896, in England.

Unfortunately, it had to be rebuilt, and the first successful flight was
(iirc) 1912.

Cheers,
Wol

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ken Wallis
Sent: 26 March 2004 01:17
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Optimisation ?

PS.  Why do you think the Americans on this list felt the need to change
the
spelling of "Optimisation" from the original English (Scots?).  The rest
of
us put up with enough "centers" and "realizes" from you yanks!

Did anyone else get the monthly jBASE "Did you know?" email from Kerri
Duffy?  In it she says:

Did you know...?  Charles Lindbergh was not the first man to fly nonstop
across the Atlantic Ocean.  Two men had achieved the same goal eight
years
earlier!   Flying for sixteen and a half hours from June 14-15, 1919,
Captain John Alcock and Lieutenant Arthur Whitten-Brown had copiloted a
Vichers-Vimy twin-engine plane nonstop from Newfoundland across the
Atlantic
to Ireland.  Lindbergh was just the first person to do it alone.

She could just as easily have said "Lindbergh was just the first
American to
do it".  I think most non-yanks would have known that Alcock and Brown's
was
the first crossing of the Atlantic by air.






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RE: Optimization ?

[Anthony Youngman]

Ooooppsss

I think a different apology is in order ...

I thought we were comparing a forward or backwards loop - I didn't realise there was a 
TRIM in the mix as well. I just jumped on the fact that the forward loop contained a 
glaringly stupid programming error - that and I've never used that syntax of trim - I 
didn't realise you could do that. In fact, on checking my InfoBASIC documentation you 
couldn't, so that usage is a new-fangled extension I've never met before :-)

Apologies again - for a different mistake!

Cheers,
Wol

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Olson
Sent: 25 March 2004 14:10
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Optimization ?

"You appear to be a novice programmer" ROFLMAO!
Mr Leckie's question was what was +-quicker Trim or for/next loop
but more important, apology accepted!

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Behalf Of Jonathan Leckie
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Optimisation ?


I have the following piece of code :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  MAX=DCOUNT(REC<1>,VM)
  FOR LOP=1 TO MAX
IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN
  REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP,0)
  IF LOP = MAX THEN GO 300
  LOP=LOP-1
END
  NEXT LOP
END

I wonder could this simply be replaced with :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  REC<1>=TRIM(REC<1>,@VM)
  GO 300
END

Can anyone see any problems with using TRIM to remove trailing, repeated and
initial value markers and therefore achieving the same effect without
looping through each multi-value?  This is on Unidata 3.3.2 incidentally.



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Behalf Of Anthony Youngman
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:02 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Optimization ?


Particularly the "and works" bit.

May I suggest you go back to original code, and behave like an
old-fashioned programmer. Work through what the program is doing (ie do
what in the old days was called "executing by hand") and work out WHAT
is going wrong, and WHY.

Once you understand that, you'll see why the original code was stupid.
You'll also see why it is VERY HARD to get right. And you'll see why the
preferred version is preferred. As an old hand, I will assure you very
strongly that techniques that "make it hard to make a mistake" are a
very good weapon in a programmer's armoury.

You appear to be a novice programmer (if you're not, I apologise, but
it's your fault for making a fool of yourself). The mark of a
professional (ie a GOOD programmer, not just one who's paid for it) is
that he is eager to learn from his betters. There are plenty of damn
good programmers here. Learn from them!

Cheers,
Wol

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On Behalf Of Harry Hambrick
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Subject: RE: Optimization ?

Preferred = Easy to read, well documented and works. 

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"This is the preferred version. It's also a bit slower." ???

 a min. of 6 slow lines of code vs. 1 quick line of code ?

define preferred. please.


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RE: Optimization ?

[Anthony Youngman]

Particularly the "and works" bit.

May I suggest you go back to original code, and behave like an
old-fashioned programmer. Work through what the program is doing (ie do
what in the old days was called "executing by hand") and work out WHAT
is going wrong, and WHY.

Once you understand that, you'll see why the original code was stupid.
You'll also see why it is VERY HARD to get right. And you'll see why the
preferred version is preferred. As an old hand, I will assure you very
strongly that techniques that "make it hard to make a mistake" are a
very good weapon in a programmer's armoury.

You appear to be a novice programmer (if you're not, I apologise, but
it's your fault for making a fool of yourself). The mark of a
professional (ie a GOOD programmer, not just one who's paid for it) is
that he is eager to learn from his betters. There are plenty of damn
good programmers here. Learn from them!

Cheers,
Wol

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Preferred = Easy to read, well documented and works. 

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"This is the preferred version. It's also a bit slower." ???

 a min. of 6 slow lines of code vs. 1 quick line of code ?

define preferred. please.


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RE: Optimization ?

[Anthony Youngman]

This is the preferred version. It's also a bit slower.

The point is, you can GUARANTEE that LOP will decrement on every pass, and the loop 
will terminate.

With the other version, you need all sorts of extra code and crap to make sure you 
don't do what your original version is doing - ie counting from 1 to 8, and getting 
stuck on 4.

If you kill the currently running infinite loop, then rerun it with a PRINT statement 
after the FOR, you will see that it successfully trims your string to 'THIS}IS}A 
TEST', but LOP is now 4, value 4 is the empty string, so LOP is decremented every 
pass, is stuck at 4, and will never reach the 8 needed to terminate the loop ...

The decrement is less efficient at string handling. It is also far easier to code 
without screwing up - "there's only one way to do it (tm)", while the increment method 
has many ways of getting it wrong, and only one (complicated) way of getting it right. 
After you THINK you've got it right, try feeding it the string '}' :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 25 March 2004 12:57
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Subject: RE: Optimization ?

ok... now what's quicker / preferred...

   PETE = 'THIS}IS }}}A TEST}}}'
   CRT TRIM( PETE , @VM )   
   REC = PETE   
   MAX = DCOUNT( REC< 1 > , @VM )   
   FOR LOP = MAX TO 1 STEP -1   
  IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN   
 REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP)  
  END   
   NEXT LOP 
 300:   
   CRT REC      


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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Optimisation ?


After you decrement LOP, you need to decrement MAX. Otherwise the loop will
be unable to get beyond 4.

Think about it - as soon as you delete a null value, you are guaranteeing
that "if null" will be true on your last pass, thereby decrementing LOP and
requiring another pass, which will do the same, which will do the same ...

That's why I ALWAYS do a "FOR I = MAX TO 1 STEP -1" style loop when coding
this sort of stuff ...

Bit slower, but far harder to mess up ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 25 March 2004 12:41
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Subject: RE: Optimisation ?

LOL...

I can't get this to get out of the loop!!!

the trim crt'ed pretty quick... neat!

: L23   
0001:   PETE = 'THIS}IS }}}A TEST}}}'   
0002:   CRT TRIM( PETE , @VM )  
0003:   REC = PETE  
0004:   MAX = DCOUNT( REC< 1 > , @VM )  
0005:   FOR LOP=1 TO MAX
0006:  IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN  
0007: REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP,0)   
0008: IF LOP = MAX THEN GO 300  
0009: LOP=LOP-1 
0010:  END  
0011:   NEXT LOP
0012: 300:  
0013:   CRT REC 



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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:29 AM
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Subject: Optimisation ?


I have the following piece of code :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  MAX=DCOUNT(REC<1>,VM)
  FOR LOP=1 TO MAX
IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN
  REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP,0)
  IF LOP = MAX THEN GO 300
  LOP=LOP-1
END
  NEXT LOP
END

I wonder could this simply be replaced with :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  REC<1>=TRIM(REC<1>,@VM)
  GO 300
END

Can anyone see any problems with using TRIM to remove trailing, repeated and
initial value markers and therefore achieving the same effect without
looping through each multi-value?  This is on Unidata 3.3.2 incidentally.



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RE: Optimisation ?

[Anthony Youngman]

After you decrement LOP, you need to decrement MAX. Otherwise the loop will be unable 
to get beyond 4.

Think about it - as soon as you delete a null value, you are guaranteeing that "if 
null" will be true on your last pass, thereby decrementing LOP and requiring another 
pass, which will do the same, which will do the same ...

That's why I ALWAYS do a "FOR I = MAX TO 1 STEP -1" style loop when coding this sort 
of stuff ...

Bit slower, but far harder to mess up ...

Cheers,
Wol

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Olson
Sent: 25 March 2004 12:41
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Subject: RE: Optimisation ?

LOL...

I can't get this to get out of the loop!!!

the trim crt'ed pretty quick... neat!

: L23   
0001:   PETE = 'THIS}IS }}}A TEST}}}'   
0002:   CRT TRIM( PETE , @VM )  
0003:   REC = PETE  
0004:   MAX = DCOUNT( REC< 1 > , @VM )  
0005:   FOR LOP=1 TO MAX
0006:  IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN  
0007: REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP,0)   
0008: IF LOP = MAX THEN GO 300  
0009: LOP=LOP-1 
0010:  END  
0011:   NEXT LOP
0012: 300:  
0013:   CRT REC 



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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:29 AM
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Subject: Optimisation ?


I have the following piece of code :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  MAX=DCOUNT(REC<1>,VM)
  FOR LOP=1 TO MAX
IF REC<1,LOP> = '' THEN
  REC=DELETE(REC,1,LOP,0)
  IF LOP = MAX THEN GO 300
  LOP=LOP-1
END
  NEXT LOP
END

I wonder could this simply be replaced with :

IF REC<1> £ '' THEN
  REC<1>=TRIM(REC<1>,@VM)
  GO 300
END

Can anyone see any problems with using TRIM to remove trailing, repeated and
initial value markers and therefore achieving the same effect without
looping through each multi-value?  This is on Unidata 3.3.2 incidentally.



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RE: ANTIVIRUS

[Anthony Youngman]

We use sophos. www.sophos.com

Just a dedicated AV company, and does nothing else.

Plus you can get bulk licences (or could last I checked) so it is
MANDATORY for all personal pcs that they be running sophos if the owner
wishes to connect them to the company net. We just give them a cd and
tell them they MUST install it.

Cheers,
Wol 

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At 10:35 25/03/04, you wrote:



>Can we have a straw poll on AV software? Just post a subject of
ANTIVIRUS -
>(name) - (version) *GOOD* or *BAD* as necessary - let's hear it.

AVG vers 7.0 from Grisoft *VERY GOOD*

Even Grisoft's "freebie" vers 6 of AVG is also *GOOD*

http//:www.grisoft.com

>Regards
>
>JayJay
>
>
>
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RE: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3

[Anthony Youngman]

Who put shares on the server? Some twat PHB at Microsoft!

Oh - and if you've never met them, you're lucky. They are put there by
default, and it's registry tweaks or $DEITY knows what shenanigans to
get rid of them.

Most admins don't even know they exist... (which is why they tend not to
be disabled, which is why this particular worm probably spread ...)


And as for scanning, didn't I say the server *should* be scanned? I
would just NEVER have the stuff running all the time, relying on other
strict measures to keep it clean.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 24 March 2004 23:36
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3

A few pickups on this:

1. Find out who put Windows shares on a database server and have a
discussion with the person concerned. 
2. Who opened up the firewall to the network to allow this to happen?
Similar discussion to follow

Remove Windows sharing as a facility and lock it up.
Get the firewall people to close it up - 

The rule is close everything - open what you need. 

The rule is *not* close what you don't want.

If you ask a network administrator "Which ports did you block?"
and
they start to tell you what they have *blocked* then have discussion (as
above) - give extra lumps

3. Who loaded a virus on a machine that was *not* protected and where
from
("space invaders maybe?" or a mail attachment (some never learn)
(discussion)

I use AV software myself OK with no problems, but it is not configured
to
"scan all files on opens" , "scan all files on reads" or "scan all files
on
writes". It just scans all executables and scripts. Some AV software
seem to
be friendly - others seem to be (distinctly) less so.

Can we have a straw poll on AV software? Just post a subject of
ANTIVIRUS -
(name) - (version) *GOOD* or *BAD* as necessary - let's hear it.

Regards

JayJay



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up until yesterday i'd have agreed with you. However a client got
infected
with a virus that symantec *claims* to have known about since December,
but
wasn't actually detected until i sent them the sample and it appeared in
last nights defs!
Virus spread via irc and *open admin$ shares* on the server - with weak
administrator passwords.
Therefore the server got infected. A realtime scanner would have picked
this
virus up this morning. (just make sure the realtime scanner does not
scan
the database itself)

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Posted To: uniVerse
Conversation: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3
Subject: RE: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3


AARRGGHH!!

NEVER EVER run antivirus on a server.
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RE: UV on W2K3 - trying to add to path

[Anthony Youngman]

There IS some way of setting the environment. Don't ask me how :-(

Probably "control panel" and then somewhere deep in the bowels of
"system management".

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: UV on W2K3 - trying to add to path

Hi Sara

I assume you mean when you do a dos command from universe over telnet.
If that is the case every time you do the dos cammand it launches
another DOS command execute, like launching another shell.  I am not
sure if there is a way of copying the variables from the base as you can
with unix.  I would run a bat that initialises those variables each time
you launch dos, or the other hand consider unix services for windows,
which gives unix people a more comfortable interface to windows.

Regards

David Jordan

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We are starting our evaluation of running UniVerse on W2K3.  To get a
feel of what it will be like and to scope the learning we need to do we
have set up a totally isolated W2K3 server (PDC) and have installed the
personal version of UniVerse while we wait for an NT version from IBM.
 
I added to the System Environment variables an extension to the PATH =
c:\IBM\UV\BIN
 
Problem - we do not get this in our telnet session.  It is fine in a cmd
session from the server but is missing from the telnet session.  Can
anyone explain how we add this on an NT platform.  Universe was
installed as Administrator and we have even tried using Administrator as
the user in the telnet session but that did not show the extra path.
Our personal user accounts are in the Admin group.
 
I can add this within my session as  PATH=%path%;c:\ibm\uv\bin and it
works. However this is lost next time.
 
I can see this is going to be an interesting learning curve for our DBAs
(Oracle and UniVerse) who have UNIX skills but little exposure to NT
apart from using a desktop. I will be on leave tomorrow (Friday) so I
will see if I can get the digest sent to me at home.
 
Thank you in anticipation
 
Sara Burns
 
Sara Burns (SEB) 
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Public Trust 
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RE: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3

[Anthony Youngman]

AARRGGHH!!

NEVER EVER run antivirus on a server.

You should firewall your server. You should scan it for viruses. You should NEVER have 
background antivirus stuff running on it!

You keep the server infection-free by strictly controlling what you allow to run on 
it. If a client stuffs infected files on it then that's the client's problem, and/or 
it gets picked up by the server's regular scan, but DON'T run background antivirus.

On a properly-run and properly-secured server, it's totally unnecessary, and causes 
rather than prevents grief.

Cheers,
Wol

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Not sure if this helps, but I found that McAfee VirusScan prevented the RPC from 
starting.  I end up removing it and installing Norton.  This seemed to 
do the trick.


>From: "Glenn W. Paschal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: U2 Users Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:15:37 -0600
>
>I have to agree, we are running UV 10.1.0 on Windows 2003 Small Business
>Edition.
>No problems at all.  Not even a hiccup.
>Even checked the logs for RPC errors, and found none.
>
>Thanks,
>--Glenn.
>
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>
>
>Augusto,
>Turning on "Interact with desktop" is what is causing these command boxes >to
>appear.  If you turn it off, they will go away.  Of course that will bring
>you back to your original problem. I don't really have any good ideas on
>that one.  We have many customers running on Win 2k3 and have never seen
>this.  There may be a service in Windows you need to stop or start. (RPC
>services may be the place to start). HTH, Mike Dallaire Mortgage Builder
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>Subject: UniVerse 10 on Win2k3
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>
>Hi all.
>We have installed UV 10 in a win2003 box and it works well.
>The only problem i've found is that UV-RPC service hangs after the very
>first rpc connecttion. After win2k3 restart, I can connect once again, and
>again all the next connections are rejected.
>
>I've found that, if I modifiy the "Interact with desktop" tab, inside the
>service properties, it seems to works fine.
>
>The new problem now, is that every UV-RPC conetcion opens a "command 
>window"
>in the server's desktop.
>
>Any guess?
>
>Regards,
>__
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RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance

[Anthony Youngman]

Rather than  RESIZE, if you want to reclaim OVER30 on a temporary file,
howzabout CLEAR.FILE? Works a treat, ime.

Cheers,
Wol

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Don't get me wrong Dynamic Files have there uses, but they are NOT
maintenance free (as some people think) they are low maintenance. Files
that do not increase in size or their increase can be predicted over a
given period , in my view, should not be Dynamic (why use two file
handles,
where one will do). Also Dynamic Files are great for work files as they
shrink and grow with use  BUT the time hit is when the file has to
grow
again, for your temporary / work files have you considered using a
minimum
modulus to control the contraction of the file and hence making sure
UniVerse does not need to repeat work it's already done. Finally,
Dynamic
Files never return there unused OVER30 space back to the machine, hence
from time to time during maintenance you may wish to run RESIZE file * *
*
as this has the side effect on Dynamic Files of claiming back unused
space.




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Ascential on The Register

[Anthony Youngman]

Just a passing mention, but hey, all publicity is good publicity :-)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/36431.html


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RE: [UDT] Use of PCPERFORM and the PHANTOM command

[Anthony Youngman]

FYI, colon works fine in winders ... it's the standard command-line
command separator ...

Don't forget - a lot of windows was copied from nix - the only reason
the '/' wasn't copied (and in a way it was, it tends to work) is that
DOS was designed to be compatible with CP/M - and '/' was legal in a
CP/M file name.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Graham, David wrote on 03/22/2004 03:27:08 PM:


> I have a UniBasic program that executes the following line of code:
>
> PCPERFORM "cd \folder\folder\U2Account; udt PHANTOM ProgramName"

> the process that executed the PCPERFORM command will wait until
> "ProgramName" has completed and *then* will return to the original
process.



Actually, if you change into the directory and type "udt PHANTOM
ProgramName" from the DOS prompt, you'll see the same thing.  It's not
an
issue with PCPERFORM.  Also, I'm a bit confused by the command itself.
The
backslashes indicate you're in Windows, but the command separator of a
semicolon indicates UNIX.

Try replacing your command with the following:

PCPERFORM "cd \folder\folder\U2Account & echo PHANTOM ProgramName |
udt"

for windows or

PCPERFORM "cd /folder/folder/U2Account ; echo PHANTOM ProgramName |
udt"

for UNIX.


Tim Snyder
IBM Data Management Solutions
Consulting I/T Specialist , U2 Professional Services

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RE: [UV] Program dying

[Anthony Youngman]

FYI, this sounds very similar to the problem I have with
HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO, so it isn't necessarily your code ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: [UV] Program dying

Tried that...the &PH& entry just stops - no messages.
It has a Record Counter display but 'where' it stops (if it stops) is
random.  There could very well be a problem with the program, but I
can't
see it, I was hoping the Event Entry would point-out the problem.

FYI - Here is some sudo-code...the odd piece of logic (to me) this
program
does is process Lists within Lists (three deep).
EXECUTE "SELECT FILE1 WITH blah..." RTNLIST LIST1
LOOP
  READNEXT ID1 FROM LIST1 ELSE EXIT
  CLEARSELECT LIST2
  EXECUTE 'SELECT FILE2 WITH xxx = "':ID1:'"' RTNLIST LIST2
  LOOP
READNEXT ID2 FROM LIST2 ELSE EXIT
CLEARSELECT LIST3
EXECUTE 'SELECT FILE3 WITH xxx = "':ID2:'"' RTNLIST LIST3
LOOP
  READNEXT ID3 FROM LIST3 ELSE EXIT
  ...do stuff...
REPEAT
  REPEAT
REPEAT
END

Thanks again, Mark.



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> 
> 
> You might try running it as a phantom and then checking the 
> entry in the
> &PH& file to trap any Universe level errors
> 
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> [snip]
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RE: [OT] Symbol PDT6800 Help

[Anthony Youngman]

Don't remind me :-)  Our first office computer was a 25/30 (a 300
chassis with a 250 cpu board). Great machine, but the same size as
todays big domestic freezers and that didn't even include the disk
drives ... 116Mb :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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...or the Prime I-1000's/P400's.  Flip switches to set up octal
addresses, twist a dial between "fetch" and "store" (?), put your left
foot in, put your left foot out...

Jim

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Sorta makes me think of the booting instructions on a MicroData
Reality.

Steve

At 02:53 PM 3/18/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Not sure exactly, but I've got some cryptic notes here:
>I think it's ++  


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RE: Setting up SQL step 1

[Anthony Youngman]

Why might I have the 9.5 docu? Because we're still running it :-(

It's all very well, but there is some truth in the old adage "if it aint
broke, don't fix it".

Cheers,
Wol

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upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.  You think maybe somewhere along the path
between 9.5 and 10.1 the SQL setup and operation was improved just a
tad?


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


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Well, 9.5 is a VMark product ... I'm not surprised IBM said "the
documentation doesn't exist". As we know from the licencing fiasco, the
chain of control somewhere there went down the pan ... it's changed
hands three times since then and somebody probably mislaid it somewhere


I've probably got 9.5 docu somewhere if you know what you want - but
it'll be the CD version, and I know for a fact that the electronic docu
at the time was incomplete...

Cheers,
Wol



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RE: Setting up SQL step 1

[Anthony Youngman]

Well, 9.5 is a VMark product ... I'm not surprised IBM said "the
documentation doesn't exist". As we know from the licencing fiasco, the
chain of control somewhere there went down the pan ... it's changed
hands three times since then and somebody probably mislaid it somewhere
...

I've probably got 9.5 docu somewhere if you know what you want - but
it'll be the CD version, and I know for a fact that the electronic docu
at the time was incomplete...

Cheers,
Wol

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"Good news (I think) From what I learned - the admin user is set up when
you
load the operating system .  I was told that if I re-installed my latest
upgrade tape that I could update the user at that time.  I never was
able
to find any of this documentation on this - and when I asked IBM, since
I
was running 9.5 they conveniently told me that this documentation no
longer
existed - go figure."



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RE: Runaway user

[Anthony Youngman]

Reboot?

Probably not okay. Can you do a "ps -ef" at unix level and identify the
process there? LISTU may well tell you this number too. Then do a "kill
-15" on the process. That'll tell it to shut itself down cleanly. If
that fails, then try a "kill -9". If that fails, it's a problem with
Unix, and a reboot is definitely one of the few solutions (although it
should be safe just to ignore it in that case, as it's probably stuck
waiting on a signal and using no resources).

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: Runaway user

Our system is running on  UV 9.4.1.3B on SCO Unix 5.0.5 and using
Wintegrate.

I found that the uv process is still exist and the uv port is still
occupied under the following situation: (I can see the user in LISTU
command)

1. The client machine is hanged.

2. The client machine is unplugged.

Anybody over there can advice me how to fix it?

Rgds

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RE: Looking for associated multi-value algorithm...

[Anthony Youngman]

Go to the PickWiki and look in the basic source for "Dynamic Array
Sort". I've just added it so it should be the first entry in the "recent
changes" list.

You can use that to sort your fields and then do a "locate by" to find
the entry you're looking for. Provided your array isn't that big it
should be fast and efficient.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Just to address a couple of your comments...

The reason I use SPECIAL so much is the file I'm reading this
information from is SPECIAL.PRICE.  The fields I'm referencing are from
something similar to a sales quote.  I'd expect the quantity numbers to
rarely match.  The fields I'm referencing are Part Number, From Qty and
Sales Price.  So there could be 5 iterations of part number "12345" with
>From Qtys of 0, 1000, 2000, 4000 and 1 and Prices of 0.35200,
0.34200, 0.33200, 0.31200 and 0.29200.  From experience, I know that I
can't count on each of these triads being in any particular order,
except for the fact that each mv will be in the same order as the other
2 for any given record.  This is information living in my ERP system.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:46 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Looking for associated multi-value algorithm...


Perhaps the most glaring problem here is the level of the LOCATE. Since
SPECIAL.PARTS is a value and thus possibly multi-valued, the ,STARTPOS
indicator suggests to the LOCATE to look at the first subvalue of the
value'd. Somehow, especially since STARTPOS isn't previously defined, it
become zero and <1,0> is the same as <1> which may accidentally satisfiy
the
LOCATE.

Remove the STARTPOS from the <> in the LOCATE and the
STARTPOS=SPECIAL+1 as they don't contribute anything.

Also, this looks like a FIFO/LIFO algorithm. What are the failures if
the
qtys don't match. The LOCATE should eliminate the FOR...NEXT loop unless
you
have the PART.NBR in the <12> more than once. In any case, the
FOR...NEXT is
is useless.

If the PART.NBR is in <12> more than once, use FOR...NEXT and do a
simple
equals test on <12>. I don't believe that LOCATE can find occurrences of
PART.NBR after the first one it finds. At least using numbers inside the
<>.
Perhaps LOCATE X in Y<1>,STARTPOS on the outside. I don't use it.

FInally, if it's any contribution (and it's my purely non-technical
opinion). Remove all the extraneous uses of the prefix SPECIAL. That
makes
it hard to read as all the variables start with SPECIAL and it's hard to
identify their purpose quickly. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but
it
does make it more readable.

PARTS=SPECIAL.REC<12>
C.PARTS=DCOUNT(PARTS,VM)
QTYS=SPECIAL.REC<14> ; PRICES=SPECIAL.REC<16>
QTEMP=0
FOR I=1 TO C.PARTS
  IF PARTS<1,I>=PART.NBR THEN
   QTY=QTYS<1,I>
   IF QTY < QTY.REQUESTED AND QTY > QTEMP THEN
DATA.OUT=OCONV(PRICES<1,I>,MDP)"R#12"
QTEMP=QTY
   END
END
NEXT I

my 2 cents.


I'm looking for an algorithm for searching through a group of associated
multi-value fields.  The fields are F12 (PartsList), F14 (From Qty) and
F16
(Unit Price).  I can't depend on these being in any certain order, just
that
the associated fields will be in identical order.  What I want to return
is
the Unit Price (F16) given PART.NBR and QTY.REQUESTED.  I've got a code
snippet of what I think will work, but I'd like to get some feedback on
it...it won't work because, there's a better way of doing this, etc.
Thanks.

SPECIAL.PARTS = SPECIAL.REC<12>
SPECIALCOUNT = DCOUNT(SPECIAL.PARTS,VM)
SPECIAL.FROM.QTY.TEMP = 0
FOR SPECIALPART = 1 TO SPECIALCOUNT
   LOCATE PART.NBR IN SPECIAL.PARTS<1,STARTPOS> SETTING SPECIAL ELSE
EXIT
   SPECIAL.FROM.QTY=SPECIAL.REC<14,SPECIAL>
   IF SPECIAL.FROM.QTY=SPECIAL.FROM.QTY.TEMP THEN
  SPECIAL.FROM.QTY = SPECIAL.REC<14,SPECIAL>
  SPECIAL.PART.PRICE = SPECIAL.REC<16,SPECIAL>
  TEMP.OUT = OCONV(SPECIAL.PART.PRICE,MDP) "R#12"
  SPECIAL.FROM.QTY.TEMP = SPECIAL.FROM.QTY
   END
   STARTPOS = SPECIAL + 1
   FIRST = 0
NEXT SPECIALPART
DATA.OUT=TEMP.OUT
RETURN
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RE: Terminology

[Anthony Youngman]

Not really.

MTBF means "it'll run for 10 minutes without falling over". SLA can mean
anything. If I was an office manager, I might well say (indeed, it's
pretty much our internal SLA) that our systems will be guaranteed
available between 8am and 6pm. So I can have 14 hours downtime a day,
and still meet my "100% availability" guarantee to my end users :-)

Doesn't quite work that way of course :-) with offices in New York and
Hong Kong, that "available between 8 and 6" guarantee means that I only
have a few hours when I can take the system out ... :-)

But basically, all an SLA is, is a statement that service will be
available within certain (acceptable to both sides) constraints. Whether
time when it's available, or possibly response times (eg we can't run
heavy maintenance tasks at certain times because the users will curse us
etc etc).

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Re: Terminology

So what does "Service Level Agreement Metrics" or "Operational Level
Agreement Metrics" mean.

Is this the new MTBF, ie Mean Time Between Failures.

thanks.
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: Terminology


I'm on the wrong side of the world, but IIRC DataFlo is a product, like
InfoFlo - these days out of the Epicore stable

I'd imagine SLA would be a "Service Level Agreement" and OLA would be an
"Operational Level Agreement", both relating (more or less) to the
uptime &
availability of a system

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development


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>Behalf Of Mark Johnson
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>Subject: Terminology
>
>Dear all:
>
>I'm not familiar with the following as referred to by MV: SLA and OLA
>metrics.
>
>Also, what is Dataflo. My guess is it may be a 4GL or it could be a
3.5GL
>like Eclipse.
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RE: Suppressing detail in UniObjects command

[Anthony Youngman]

But doesn't DEP.SUP have two Ps in it? :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: Suppressing detail in UniObjects command

Thanks go to Tony and Stuart who both figured it out.
DEP.SUP with one P did the trick, ID.SUPP with the two
P's seems to work fine too. Many thanks to everyone who
pointed me in the right direction.

Until next time

Cheers

Nick

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From: Tony Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 15 March 2004 22:46
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Subject: Re: Suppressing detail in UniObjects command

Hey Nick,

What you NEED to use is DET.SUP and not DET.SUPP (please notice only one
"P").

The error is trying to tell it does not understand DET.SUPP I think.
Lembit Pirn was on the right track!

Regards,

T.

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Subject: RE: Suppressing detail in UniObjects command


Cheers, I'll give that a try!

Nick

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Yes, it sounds like you use the "P"ick style by either turning
UDT.OPTIONS 2 ON or with ECLTYPE P for your "regular" sessions. I
believe UniObjects defaults to ECLTYPE U. I haven't tried in a
UniObjects session to change the ECLTYPE - you just need to learn the
"U" type syntax which is somewhat different but has much more power.

Check the online help for list and sort for the basic syntax. If you
want to "test" your commands at TCL you can simply use the lower case
list or sort to force UniData to use the "U" type command parser.

hth
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>
>
>Sooo..
>
>Coming from a very small Unidata background sounds like you're saying I

>need to set my ECL type within the Uniobjects session?
>
>Thanks
>
>Nick
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RE: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete query

[Anthony Youngman]

And replying to Scott's post to say "thanks for the compliment", but
I've just had another idea ...

How many fields are you using for your select on the master file?
ESPECIALLY if it's just the date, trans that across to your secondary
file, and index it! If it's more than one field, try and work out a
usable trans that will pull all the fields across in one index that you
can run a select over.

Don't forget, declaring an index means that that data is stored in the
file, whether it was calculated, trans'd, or was in the file anyway.

So now you can do a select and purge on your secondary file without ever
having to go near the primary, and the database will take care of making
sure all the required information is available as it's needed ... :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Re: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete
query

Great points from Wol, as always.

What kind of /tmp disk space do you have on this system?
(Assuming that /tmp is where UV does some of it's SELECT
scratch pad intermediate writing when processing large queries,
consult your sites actual uvconfig for all of your actual values...).

If this /tmp is small, single physical disk, or heavily fragmented,
this would also contribute to poor query runtime performance.
Ditto on your system's swap space, which should be at least
2X physical memory.

Wol's approach of breaking down the query into selecting
smaller groups of data is a great one. Chip away at the stone,
methodically, consistently, and constantly.

What platform is this on?
What OS version?
What UV Version?
How much memory & disk space?
How much /tmp and swap space?

Are you running this query with other users on the system, who
may be also trying to access the files this query is working with?

Are you runing this at night when it might conflict with a backup
operation?

More food for thought.

Regards,
Scott

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Subject: RE: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete
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This might help speed things up a bit ...

Firstly, of course, is your file properly sized?

Secondly, (and in this case you will need to run the SELECT / DELETE
sequence several times) try putting a SAMPLE 1000 (or whatever number
makes sense) at the end of your select.

Basically, this will mean that the SELECT runs until it finds that
number of records and then stops. So each sequence won't load the system
so badly. Creating a huge select list will stress your ram badly ...
looping through this sequence won't stress the system so badly, though
you really do need to use indices to reduce the stress even more ...

Create an index on various fields that you're using as your select
criteria. If you're selecting old records, then you need to select on
date, and this really will make life both easy and fast. The more
closely you can guarantee that a select, acting on a single index, will
pick up only or mostly records that you are going to delete, the better.
That will SERIOUSLY reduce the time taken and the performance hit.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete query

Hi All,

We are working for purging of old data from the database. But we are
facing performance problems in this.

We are using select query which is created dynamically on the basis of
number of records. We want to know if there is any limit for size of
query in Universe.

Although in universe help pdf it is mentioned that there is no limit for
the length of select query. But when we run the program on the file with
records more than 0.5 million it gave the error-

"Pid 14433 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure. Possible causes:
insufficient memory or swap space, or stack size exceeded maxssiz.

Memory fault(coredump)"

If there is no limitation on the size of query then please suggest some
other possible solution which can help us reducing the time of query and
completing the process successfully without giving the error.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Ashish.







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RE: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete query

[Anthony Youngman]

This might help speed things up a bit ...

Firstly, of course, is your file properly sized?

Secondly, (and in this case you will need to run the SELECT / DELETE
sequence several times) try putting a SAMPLE 1000 (or whatever number
makes sense) at the end of your select.

Basically, this will mean that the SELECT runs until it finds that
number of records and then stops. So each sequence won't load the system
so badly. Creating a huge select list will stress your ram badly ...
looping through this sequence won't stress the system so badly, though
you really do need to use indices to reduce the stress even more ...

Create an index on various fields that you're using as your select
criteria. If you're selecting old records, then you need to select on
date, and this really will make life both easy and fast. The more
closely you can guarantee that a select, acting on a single index, will
pick up only or mostly records that you are going to delete, the better.
That will SERIOUSLY reduce the time taken and the performance hit.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 15 March 2004 08:25
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Subject: Help Needed regarding performance improvement of delete query

Hi All,
 
We are working for purging of old data from the database. But we are
facing performance problems in this.
 
We are using select query which is created dynamically on the basis of
number of records. We want to know if there is any limit for size of
query in Universe.
 
Although in universe help pdf it is mentioned that there is no limit for
the length of select query. But when we run the program on the file with
records more than 0.5 million it gave the error-
 
"Pid 14433 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure. Possible causes:
insufficient memory or swap space, or stack size exceeded maxssiz. 

Memory fault(coredump)"

If there is no limitation on the size of query then please suggest some
other possible solution which can help us reducing the time of query and
completing the process successfully without giving the error.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Ashish.





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RE: UV 10.1.0 on Linux

[Anthony Youngman]

Dunno about 10.1 ... but 10.0 will not install on SuSE/intel without
manually tweaking the install script.

The install breaks almost instantly, and the daemon setup also doesn't
work. That said, those two glitches are pretty easy to get round :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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David,

We have been running UV9.6 and UV 10.0 for a while on a non-Redhat
distribution of Linux with at hardened kernel and have had no known
problems
;-). But we are in the process of planning for an upgrade to 10.1.0
(although I see 10.1.1 is now out) and I am wondering what we should do.

I doubt UV takes advantage of any Redhat specific features but you never
know.

Cheers,

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Hi Phil,

I am not too sure about the UV certication but for Informix IBM certify
to a certain release of glibc etc. so it doesn't matter which release
you wish to use just make sure your libraries are the correct level.

I would presume UV will be pretty similar, perhaps Leroy or Wally could
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All,

I know this question has been asked before, but is UniVerse supported on
versions of Linux other than Redhat, such as Debian, SUSE etc? I imagine
it
is not hard to get working, but would IBM then regard it as being
certified?

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RE: Common DICT

[Anthony Youngman]

I've done that.

Call the X-item X_FILENAME, and provided you make the filename reflect
the account it's in (or what it's used for) then that's not a problem.

I *never* assume that a DICT will be unique to one DATA file. That's one
of the strengths of MV :-)

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Schalk van Zyl wrote:

> U2-ers,
>
> UNIVERSE. PICK flavour. AIX
> If you have 40 branches, each in a UVaccount, each with an 
> INVENTORY-FILE, and a master inventory in HO,
> would there be any problem to let all the branch inventory files' 
> DICTs point to the DICT of HO's master inventory?.
> Normally, one would not delete an entire inventory file, so the danger

> of getting the 'master' dict wiped is not a real one.
>

Sounds fine but You'd better check those X-type entries in the dict
first.
I've seen apps using them for storing  things like next available 
sequence number
wich may be better left as separate for each instance of the file.

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RE: Common DICT

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Do a simple test. Create a VOC F-pointer pointing at a dict in a different account. 
Try to delete it and see what happens.

Certainly, if I were the person who wrote DELETE.FILE, I would seriously consider 
making a pathname trigger a "sorry illegal operation" error. I just wish that the 
person who wrote DELETE.FILE for UV hadn't made that sort of thing a fatal error that 
stopped it deleting the VOC pointer!

Cheers,
Wol

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Thanks, gives one peace of mind.


On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:55:06 -, Anthony Youngman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IME (and I could easily be wrong here), DELETE.FILE doesn't like 
> absolute pathnames in F-pointers. That may, however, be a hangover from 
> my Prime days.
>
> It will also, most definitely, warn you that "this DICT filename does 
> not match FILENAME", warning you that something is wrong. Just hope any 
> user is not stupid enough to press "Y"es when it prompts to ask if you 
> want to delete it.
>
> That said, what you describe is what we do all the time.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
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> U2-ers,
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> UNIVERSE. PICK flavour. AIX
> If you have 40 branches, each in a UVaccount, each with an 
> INVENTORY-FILE, and a master inventory in HO,
> would there be any problem to let all the branch inventory files' DICTs
> point to the DICT of HO's master inventory?.
> Normally, one would not delete an entire inventory file, so the danger 
> of getting the 'master' dict wiped is not a real one.
>
> Schalk
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RE: Common DICT

[Anthony Youngman]

IME (and I could easily be wrong here), DELETE.FILE doesn't like absolute pathnames in 
F-pointers. That may, however, be a hangover from my Prime days.

It will also, most definitely, warn you that "this DICT filename does not match 
FILENAME", warning you that something is wrong. Just hope any user is not stupid 
enough to press "Y"es when it prompts to ask if you want to delete it.

That said, what you describe is what we do all the time.

Cheers,
Wol

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U2-ers,

UNIVERSE. PICK flavour. AIX
If you have 40 branches, each in a UVaccount, each with an INVENTORY-FILE, and a 
master inventory in HO,
would there be any problem to let all the branch inventory files' DICTs 
point to the DICT of HO's master inventory?.
Normally, one would not delete an entire inventory file, so the danger of getting the 
'master' dict wiped is not a real one.

Schalk

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RE: Memory Utilization

[Anthony Youngman]

And look in Windows Task Manager on the server. It may have been fixed
by now (NT4/UV9.5 here), but we find the major cause of programs here is
a rouge telnet process. If it happens, it'll grab 100% of one cpu - get
two of them and our twin-cpu server starts running in treacle ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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How does UniVerse take advantage of RAM on a server (Win2K).  I have a
poorly performing database with only 7 users.  I am currently resizing
files, but I have noticed that the server is using only about 192 MB of
RAM,
when there is 1 GB installed.

 

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RE: Linux kernel params

[Anthony Youngman]

Minor nitpick ...

In linux, I think you'll find "more" is a link to "less". Either that,
or you'll find the behaviour of the program changes depending which name
it is called by, and "less" has the better set of options :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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We are doing similar from HP-UX to Linux 9 (kernel 2.4.20-28.9bigmem)
and
UV 10.0.O to UV 10.1 and found that APP.PROGS LIST.SP.CONF uses unix
command "pg" which does not exist in linux Red Hat.  We did a work
around
by creating a link from pg to more.  This has been reported to IBM and
is
in engineering as ECase 6621.

Stu Glancy
Asset Management Outsourcing, Inc.
Senior Analyst/DBA
770-792-3907

> We are in the process of migrating our Universe app from an HP-UX
system
> to a
> RedHat Linux  (8.0) system.  There did not appear to be any
recommended
> o/s
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files).
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>
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RE: EVAL

[Anthony Youngman]

I think you mean

LIST FILE WHEN EVAL "F16 * 0.9" LT F17

Cheers,
Wol

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LIST FILE WHEN EVAL "F16 * 0.9" LT F16

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U2-ers,

UNIVERSE.
Can somebody help me with the syntax of EVAL.  I want to execute a SELECT on a file to 
get all records where (field 16)*0.9 < field(17).
Thanks.
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RE: [UV] DELETE.FILE verb

[Anthony Youngman]

If you're just doing this to clean out temporary files, then okay. BUT
...

As I understood it, "LONGNAMES ON" is a "once only" operation. So the
problem should go away of its own accord over time (and yes, it's a
bummer that the default is OFF - can't somebody at IBM "fix" it? I can't
see any maintenance implications of a change!)

Secondly, we regularly share a dictionary among multiple files. Changing
the default to delete discrepant DICTs by default would be disastrous!
But this brings up *another* bug/feature in DELETE.FILE. If you tell it
not to delete a discrepant dictionary, the DELETE.FILE fails :-( The PI
version assumed - sensibly - that (a) your discrepant dictionary
belonged to another file, and (b) you wanted the DELETE.FILE to complete
successfully. So, having prompted you once, it had no qualms about
prompting again and saying "the DATA or DICT delete failed, do you still
want to delete the VOC entry". 99 times in 100 the answer was "Y"es. So
UV forces me to type in a long command, instead of just prompting me for
a Y/N :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: Re: [UV] DELETE.FILE verb

Great idea, thank you Karl!
-Dianne

Karl L Pearson wrote:

>The actual names of the files at the OS level are in lines 2 and 3 in
>the VOC 'F'-pointer. So, if you roll your own, you could use mvBASIC
and
>just read REC<2> for the DATA portion and REC<3> for the DICT portion,
>then do 
>
>DELETE &UFD& REC<2> REC<3>
>DELETE VOC FNAME
>
>or some such.
>
>Karl
>
>On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 13:38, Dianne Ackerman wrote:
>  
>
>>I should have mentioned - this is on windows.  And the issue is that
the 
>>VOC might be PIX.OUTPUT.701 but the operating system file is
PIX.OUT000 
>>or PIX.OUT022 because it was created LONGNAMES OFF
>>-Dianne
>>
>>Karl L Pearson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>You may consider rolling your own on this one. If on Unix, you might
>>>have a script that does this:
>>>
>>>#!/usr/bin/ksh
>>># Remove TEMP files
>>>if [ "$1" = '' ] ; then
>>>  echo "usage: $0 FILENAME(s) (separated by a space or LF)
>>>  exit 1
>>>fi
>>>
>>>for i in $1
>>> do
>>>   echo Removing $i
>>>   cd $UVACCOUNT ; # Change this to the account or prompt for it
>>>   rm -r $i
>>>   rm -r D_$i
>>>   uv "DELETE VOC "$i
>>>done
>>>
>>>There may need a couple of other things added, especially if you have
>>>security options in the account, but TEMP files probably shouldn't be
>>>stored in a production account but rather in a
subdirectory/filesystem
>>>somewhere else.
>>>
>>>Just my two bits.
>>>
>>>Karl
>>>
>>>On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 10:59, Dianne Ackerman wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Sometimes when using DELETE.FILE, the system prompts that the data
entry 
does not match expected data...  because when the file was
originally 
created LONGNAMES was off and now LONGNAMES is on.  Is there any way
to 
force the DELETE.FILE to work without warning and prompting?

The HOSTACCESS utilities we use create these temporary files and
when a 
sys admin needs to do cleanup, it would be nice to run a utility to 
delete all these hundreds of temporary files.  But I'm not sure how
to 
have a paragraph delete them and deal with sometimes needing to
answer 
those prompts.

Any ideas?
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RE: UV on Itanium

[Anthony Youngman]

Or go for a new IBM servr running on Power G5. 

There was an interesting article on the Inquirer or the Register (can't
remember which) asking whether the purpose of Itanium has been achieved,
and whether it is likely to be ditched in the near future.

The gist of it, basically, was that the Alpha and R4000 (and other
similar chips) seriously outclassed Intel. So by bringing a 64-bit chip
to market, Intel has pretty much hampered the market, killed Alpha and
mips, and seriously crippled Sparc. Their two threats in the 64-bit
space are now primarily the AMD Opteron, and the IBM G5. There's not a
lot they can do about IBM, but their top-end Xeons or whatever have
actually been 64-bit capable for quite a while now. So by delaying
64-bit x86, Intel now have more to lose than to gain. They also won't
want competition between Itanium and x86-64. So guess what - Itanium
will be reclassified as a research product and scrapped. Add in the fact
that AMD is apparently selling more Opterons a quarter than Intel has
ever sold in total, and Opteron really does look like the iceberg that
sank the Itanic (as Itanium is irreverently called :-)

While I don't doubt we'll never see it happen, if we had fair
competition between chips, the Itanic would already have sunk without
trace. It *still* can't compete effectively with old EV7 alphas, and the
new Power will flatten it. Sparc should flatten it too, but the
realities of the world mean that Sparc cheetah has already been
flattened between the elephants of IBM and Intel :-( Maybe linux will,
once more, succeed in decoupling software from hardware and lead to true
competition in the hardware market ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Glenn Herbert wrote:

> So does this mean it's still a 32-bit app that now runs on RH itanium?

> Or does this mean its a real 64-bit app
> 
> At 03:17 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote:
> 

I'm sure UV is still a 32-bit app.  I doubt there's currently enough 
interest in a 64-bit version of UV for IBM to invest the money in 
porting it.  Performance of 32-bit apps was notoriously bad on Itanium 
until Intel and Microsoft released a new 32-bit driver in January.  Of 
course this only helps with 32-bit Windows apps.  I would hope they're 
working on a similar fix for linux.

It didn't occur to me before, but I guess you could also run UV 10.1 on 
Windows Server 2003 on Itanium.  Personally I'd wait to see if Intel 
comes up with a 32-bit Itanium driver enhancement for linux, or consider

Opteron or Intel's new 64-bit version of Xeon as has already been
suggested.

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RE: UV - is there a coldstart equivalent

[Anthony Youngman]

The method we use is obvious (in hindsight) ...

Not sure what it's called - it used to be AT, and is the Windows
equivalent of cron ...

That isn't time controlled. It can be, but it can also be event
controlled. And one of the events that are controlled is a reboot. So we
can/did/do run a uv command from the windows command line using this
mechanism to restart all our phantoms after the nightly reboot.

You probably want to put a "sleep" into the windows .cmd file, otherwise
you may find your UV command tries to run before the UV server has fully
woken up.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: UV - is there a coldstart equivalent

Thanks everyone that replied with suggestions.

We are running on win 2003 server.

I had an idea to check system(3001) which is the universe user1
performance
monitor.

I can change it using:

  ASSIGN 1 TO SYSTEM(3001)

It shows up in the windows performance monitor, but:

  PRINT SYSTEM(3001) 

always returns 0.

My thought was to make all application logons go through a simple check
at
logon and if the value was zero, to dispatch a phantom, increment the
value
and continue. thus providing a mechanism to launch a phantom process the
first time someone logs in after a reboot.

i.e.:

  VALUE = SYSTEM(3001)
  IF VALUE = 0 THEN
   EXECUTE "PHANTOM background.process"
  END
  VALUE = VALUE + 1
  ASSIGN VALUE TO SYSTEM(3001)


I'm wondering why one can set the value "system(3001..3005) but there
seems
to be no way to interrogate the value.
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RE: UNCLASSIFIED RE: How to safely kill a runaway UniVerse (was unidata) process

[Anthony Youngman]

Sorry - I don't see the debugger in UniData (a we don't run UD, b I have
no idea how to use any U2 debugger :-)

I was talking about using Windows task manager to attach the Windows
debugger to a Windows-level terminal process.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, and this is the only way I have
found to successfully terminate a rouge process ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: RE: UNCLASSIFIED RE: How to safely kill a runaway UniVerse (was
unidata) process

Sorry LeRoy, I have confused you!

I don't have any problem killing a UniVerse task, I prefer to try this
sequence
"LOGOUT ", then 
"...\uv\bin\kill ", a couple of times - almost always
works,
then
"...\uv\bin\kill -2 ", then
"...\uv\bin\kill -9 ",  then ONLY AS A LAST RESORT
Task manager "Kill"

What I can't do is chuck the process into the debugger, because the
'debug'
option in the task manager right-button menu is greyed out.  When I have
a
mysteriously-stuck program in the development environment, being able to
throw it into the UniVerse debugger would be really useful: at least I
could
find out where it is and what it thinks it is doing.
Maybe a debugger has to be registered for /associated with the process
in
some way to make this menu option visible?
Since Wol said he _does_ see 'debug' in UniData, and I don't in
UniVerse,
maybe there's something you guys could do in the UV product to make it
happen for us too?  Please :-)

Thanks


Mike

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unida ta) process


Actually, at release 10+, it should be successful via Windows Task
Manager's
kill option. UV 10 and higher use detached processes by default, and
KeepAlive (for tl_server processes) was added as well. If it really
becomes
necessary to kill a process that for some reason has ignored its
KeepAlive
setting (assuming the telnet client has been disconnected from the
socket),
the kill.exe in uv\bin was updated in 10 to do a better job at killing
processes, though it could take a few seconds to come back to the DOS
prompt. I cannot recall when it hasn't work at 10.x.

When all else fails, download the sysinternals.com Process Explorer and
use
its kill option. Remember that if you have updates pending, your open
files
may be at some risk.

Regards,

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RE: UNCLASSIFIED RE: How to safely kill a runaway UniVerse (was unidata) process

[Anthony Youngman]

Hmm too :-)

I think I've met a greyed out debug once. Can't remember why, though. If
you can't use debug, maybe "kill process" will actually work for you :-)

Or maybe W2K3 is more intelligent than what we're using (NT4/UV9.5), and
recognises that debug won't work so it won't let you use it :-(

Cheers,
Wol 

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unidata) process

Hmm

When I do that on my W2K3 / UV 10 server, the right-button click menu
has
"debug" greyed out.
Is that a UV 'feature', or have I got something configured wrong?

I am an Administrator of the server, and I installed UV on it, so I
should
be fully enabled for this kind of work.

TIA


Mike


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My experience is that the standard techniques don't work!

The way I kill rogue processes like this is, on the server, go into task
manager. Right-click the process. Do NOT select "kill process", it won't
work. Instead, select the other, "attach debugger", option. The process
will
promptly do a "Dr Watson" and die.

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RE: UV - Database backup

[Anthony Youngman]

Given your stated requirements, the ONLY safe way for you is uvbackup.

This runs within the database, and as such will not have trouble (much)
with people accessing files. Any os-level backup will hiccup on files
the db may have open.

Running UV/NT, for us the problem is so severe that we always reboot the
server after backing up (there are ways round the problems we've hit,
but a reboot is simple, practical and works ...)

Cheers,
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What are the suggested means of backing up a UV system without taking it

down ??

Is there a document anywhere with the benifits / drawbacks of the
following 
methods (or any other methods)

uvbackup
T.DUMP
tar
mirror disk system + tar

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RE: How to safely kill a runaway unidata process

[Anthony Youngman]

My experience is that the standard techniques don't work!

The way I kill rogue processes like this is, on the server, go into task
manager. Right-click the process. Do NOT select "kill process", it won't
work. Instead, select the other, "attach debugger", option. The process
will promptly do a "Dr Watson" and die.

We occasionally get rogue processes hog cpu and the machine grinds to a
halt. Being a twin processor, we don't notice if there's only one rogue,
but two is nasty ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Running deleteuser from the command prompt as an administrator should
suffice. Run it without arguments to get the syntax.

Robert Paterson
Technology Support Manager
IBM Certified Solutions Expert


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One of our users decided to run a report this morning at 9:30 and it
still
running.
 
They lost the connection to the server, the process id is still out
there
and we are unable to kill it. We tried the DELETUSER PID command and it
did
not go away.
 
The process is using 200 megs of memory.
 
We are running Unidata 6.06 on Windows 2000.


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RE: Brower based terminal emulator

[Anthony Youngman]

Well, if MS can't do it ...

Don't forget - it was ME that wrote the pt250 emulation that ships with
wIntegrate. And though I say it myself, it's good ... :-) (VMark screwed
it up a bit with "improvements" :-)

And I moved all our wIntegrate over to pt250 because I couldn't get
vt100 to work ...

Yup. I'm well aware vt100 emulation is a nightmare. However, I think you
will find that some of the more obscure features are not implemented in
genuine DEC vt100 terminals ... what do you think THAT does to any
attempt to get good definitive emulation :-)

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 07 March 2004 03:55
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Subject: Re: Brower based terminal emulator

In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:58:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client
> desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you
go.

And you're confident that any old xterm, konsole, or whatever will
ACCURATELY 
emulate every feature of vt100 ?  I think you will find that some of the
more 
obscure features are not really implemented that well in most emulators.
At 
least I did.
Will
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RE: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton.

[Anthony Youngman]

The whole point of using transactions is to ensure data integrity.

Writing across a network is a pretty sure-fire way of inviting integrity
problems.

The only way to guarantee that you don't have problems is to ban mixing
the two.

If you investigate the NFS protocol (which I guess your remote system is
using?) you will find that it explicitly guarantees that the integrity
of the link CANNOT be trusted. Now I think you see why transactions
forbid its use ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Ang Suan Yong
Sent: 04 March 2004 03:08
To: U2-users
Subject: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton.

Dear U2 Users,

Is anyone having idea regarding the uniVerse 10 when apply the
Begin/End Transaction, it do not allow to write to the remote file.
Once
execute the program , it prompt the belowing messages Network writes not
allowed within a transacton.
Is it the security of the Database ?

For eg , From Server A , having a program as below  to access
the
remote file of Server B ( ie ASY.FV )  which is code within the Begin /
End
Transaction

...
READU REC FROM ASY.FV , ID ELSE
CRT "ERROR READ FILE"
EXIT

BEGIN TRANSACTION
REC<1> = "TEST" : X
WRITE REC TO ASY.FV,ID ELSE
CRT "FAIL WRITE REC"
END
IF ( P.ERROR ) THEN
ROLLBACK
END
COMMIT
END TRANSACTION
RELEASE ASY.FV

Error message is as follow

FATAL: Network writes not allowed within a transacton.
rolling back uncommitted transactions begun within this execution
environment.




Thanks and Regards



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RE: How to Add Triggers on Dicts

[Anthony Youngman]

When you specify "DICT FILENAME", UV treats it internally as if there
existed a VOC entry

0001: F
0002: D_FILENAME
0003: \uv_account\DICT.DICT

There is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't create an explicit VOC
entry of exactly this form. After all, as far as UV is concerned, the
D_FILENAME file is a data file, just like any other ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to Add Triggers on Dicts

Well.. It wouldn't surprise me if the CREATE TRIGGER command doesn't
recognize the 'DICT' keyword. Triggers generally deal with data updates.

I guess you could create a dummy file pointer that points to the
dictionary
as though it were a data file. Then reference that pointer when creating
the
trigger. BUT - I haven't tried it. Not sure I would try it. 

Good luck!


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The trigger is currently working fine on DATA files. It's
just the
adding of it to DICT files that's boggling me at present.
Once I've got
that right, I'll have to think of some way to monitor Type
1/19 files,
but that's another day.
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RE: Brower based terminal emulator

[Anthony Youngman]

Not this old chestnut again !!!

Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client
desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go.

End of story. *ANY* linux command shell will almost certainly emulate a
vt100 as its default setting. And if you have multiple emulators with
multiple emulations, it's not that difficult to write a program that
goes into LOGIN, fires off the "answerback" sequence to the terminal,
and sets up the correct terminal type.

Here we had a mix of wyse85s, pt200s and pt250s, and wIntegrate (we're
now down to wIntegrate running pt250 emulation and the odd wyse in vt100
mode). Barring screw-ups the user never enters terminal type because
it's all sorted out automatically.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 04 March 2004 20:43
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Subject: Brower based terminal emulator

We are considering running Linux on our user desktops and I am looking
for a
recommendation for a terminal emulation solution. One possibility is to
find
a terminal emulation program which runs locally on each desktop under
Linux.
A second possibility is to setup a server and use a web browser (such as
Mozilla or FireFox) on the user desktops to access the applications.
Ideally
the solution will work on both Windows and Linux desktops given that
some
desktops will likely have to remain Windows based. We run Universe 9.6
and
currently use a mix of Dynamic Connect and Wintegrate 4. Our current
emulation is Wyse 60.

I look forward to hearing about any good or bad experiences anyone has
had.

Thanks,
Vance

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RE: Pick AP-Pro Discs

[Anthony Youngman]

How about UVPE/linux?

Especially if it's initially a "proof of concept", that would be a legit
use of UVPE. And while the system might be slow, it'll run on outdated
hardware no problem, so when they "go live", the only cost they've got
is the UV licence.

The only thing I would say about the hardware is, as always, stuff it
full to the gills with RAM if you can (and remember that the "swap >=
twice ram" rule is *NOT*!!! obsolete).

Cheers,
Wol 

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On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 29 February 2004 19:43
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Pick AP-Pro Discs

I had considered this option as well as the MV-Lite environments already
out
there. This is really a low-key client (private club membership) that i
am
making a good deal on developing the app from scratch. Once they get
their
original system duplicated (dbase) to Pick, I can enhance their
application
with many desired features and they will have a greater appreciation for
what the system can do for them. Perhaps, they can even grow.

As it is, I'm searching my office for the red-box set of AP-Pro install
discs from a converted client to install on an older P1-133 box. I'll
steal
an Arnet board from one of my other AP boxes (I don't need 24 users
anymore)
and 'build' them a good starting system. That's why I also solicited any
older AP-Pro systems.

thanks.
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To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pick AP-Pro Discs


If you had more of these deals you could setup a hosted environment
(your
choice of DBMS including U2 and D3).  You use your own licenses on that
system and do your development there.  End-users can SSH into their own
production accounts and pay you some monthly rate for using your app and
resources until they're ready to move up.  Voila', your own ASP.  The
initial cost of getting a licensed DBMS and ports may be prohibitive,
but
the advantage is that the system still belongs to you when the end-user
has
moved on to their own environment or even to a hosted solution of their
own.
If you already have a licensed environment then it should cost nothing
to
move the license to a hosted box, so the cost of getting this going is
trivial.

Note that (to my knowledge) it violates license agreements to run live
end-users on development software provided by any of the MV DBMS
vendors.
You might be able to get a free temporary license to let users run for a
couple months on a "try before they buy" basis.  If you can manage that
then
they can host a DBMS locally and still pay you for your app.

Couple ways to cut this cookie...
Let me know if any of this is of interest.
Tony
Nebula R&D
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>I would like to acquire... an older Pick AP-Pro system... I only
> need 3-5 users.
>
>I have a new client that I want to break into the Pick world
>with an inexpensive application to start. I can develop their
>new app on my own AP-Pro yet in 2 months they will want their
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>and its cost would kill the deal. I want to get my foot in the
>door and as they grow, we can convert later.

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RE: Universe File Corruption

[Anthony Youngman]

Is 10.1 available as PE?

Bear in mind the OP is on SCO, the data files will be binary compatible
if he can grab an old box to install RH and PE on. Then he can copy the
file across, fix it, and copy it back.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: RE: Universe File Corruption

Oh well since he's using UV 9.4.1.3B looks like the phone call then

:-((

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Sent: 27 February 2004 15:34
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Universe File Corruption



'uvfixfile' won't touch this (bitter experience speaking here). You
really need fixtool and for that you'll need to have UV10.0.x (I think
the 'x' is 15 or higher, not totally sure) or, even better, v10.1,
installed. The versions of fixtool prior to that were not as
sophisticated as the current one, which can actually (usually)
successfully fix something like this.

It can be fixed manually, but that would take a lot more than an email
to spell out the details :-(   and then only if you are extermely
comfortable with bit buckets and reading/modifying hex values, etc.
There have been emails on some of this before - search the archives.

In the meantime, if you need it fixed fast, call Universe support and be
prepared to pay a few hundred bucks.

Gary Eppel


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On Behalf Of Bob Witney
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:21 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Universe File Corruption

do you have this on the system anywhere

./usr/lpp/uv/bin/uvfixfile

bob


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From: TELRIS MAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 February 2004 15:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Universe File Corruption


Our system is running on UV 9.4.1.3B on SCO Unix 5.0.5.

I have encoutered the following error message when I SELECT a file
'INVOICE'
File /disk3/MYDATA/INVOICE
Computed blink of 0x312e3134 does not match expected blink of 0x158800
Detected within group starting address 0x27e1e00 !
Internal data error.

Anybody over there can tell me how can I fix the problem and save all
data?

Please describe details

Thks

TM
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RE: Printing to "local" printer

[Anthony Youngman]

Look into pipes and smbprint (comes with samba).

Sorry I can't be more specific than that, but I believe you can tie a
program to a pipe (opening the pipe will invoke the program), and I've
used smbprint (from within WP/SCO) to print from nix to a print queue on
a windows server. That didn't have a print queue on the nix server, but
don't forget WP had all its printer capability, drivers, the works, all
built in.

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dana Baron
Sent: 04 March 2004 18:54
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Printing to "local" printer

Wol,

Thanks for the idea. Looks promising but we're on a Unix server. Is
there a
way to refer to the local printers across operating systems? My SETPTR
documentation refers to mode 2 and the DEVICE setting as sending output
to
the Unix special file. Can the shared printer be defined as a unix
special
file without setting up a network print queue?

Dana Baron
System Manager
Smugglers' Notch Resort


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Anthony Youngman
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:02 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Printing to "local" printer

What I'd do ...

This is UV, but I got the impression that UD might well work the same
way ...

A lot of our printers, rather than saying "AT DEVICE" in the SETPTR
statement, say "AT \\windows\sharename". So each printer is set up on
the local pc to which it is attached, and the UV server knows nothing
about it at the Windows level (we have UV/NT).

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 26 February 2004 19:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Printing to "local" printer

Hi,

We use Unidata (v5.2) on a DEC/Compaq/HP Alpha under Tru64 Unix (v5.0a).
Most of our users connect to our Unidata system via terminal emulation
software (SmartTerm) from Windows-based PCs. Some of those users
function as
point-of-sale terminals. We're now trying to integrate credit card
validation via the internet directly from those work stations. We're
still
in test mode, but most of this seems to working OK. One remaining issue
is
printing the CC receipt. We would like the receipts to print on CC
receipt
printers attached to the workstation as either parallel or serial
printers.
We'd rather not set up print queues for all of these. Any ideas on how
to
accomplish this?

Dana Baron
System Manager
Smugglers' Notch Resort

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RE: [UV] Does anyone know how to

[Anthony Youngman]

Do you need to modify a document created by someone else? Or can you
just spit out a Word document from UV?

Some of our report programs generate rtf documents from scratch. It can
be fun getting the format right (we make extensive use of tables to put
stuff in the right place), and Word is not the most forgiving of formats
to use, but you might find this a better approach than faffing about
with replacing text (or not as the case may be).

I'll have to put my stuff up on Pickwiki at some point ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: [UV] Does anyone know how to

I am running UV 9.5.1... on windows NT (PICK flavor).

I want to be able to read in a .doc file created in Word 2000, do a
string
replace, and then write out the file as a new .doc file.  I have tried
using the standard READ and READSEQ. I use the CHANGE command [REC =
CHANGE(REC,txta,txtb)] and then  WRITE (or WRITESEQ).  In each case I
get
the anticipated results but when I attempt to launch the document in
Word
2000 I get THE "unknown file format" error.  I have to figure that some
characters imbedded in the original document are being stripped by the
limitations of the uniVerse READ and READSEQ commands thus making this
method not practical.  I did this in the past - in another life maybe -
but
this is my first attempt with WORD 2000.  All practical suggestions
appreciated.

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RE: Printing to "local" printer

[Anthony Youngman]

What I'd do ...

This is UV, but I got the impression that UD might well work the same
way ...

A lot of our printers, rather than saying "AT DEVICE" in the SETPTR
statement, say "AT \\windows\sharename". So each printer is set up on
the local pc to which it is attached, and the UV server knows nothing
about it at the Windows level (we have UV/NT).

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 26 February 2004 19:07
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Subject: Printing to "local" printer

Hi,

We use Unidata (v5.2) on a DEC/Compaq/HP Alpha under Tru64 Unix (v5.0a).
Most of our users connect to our Unidata system via terminal emulation
software (SmartTerm) from Windows-based PCs. Some of those users
function as
point-of-sale terminals. We're now trying to integrate credit card
validation via the internet directly from those work stations. We're
still
in test mode, but most of this seems to working OK. One remaining issue
is
printing the CC receipt. We would like the receipts to print on CC
receipt
printers attached to the workstation as either parallel or serial
printers.
We'd rather not set up print queues for all of these. Any ideas on how
to
accomplish this?

Dana Baron
System Manager
Smugglers' Notch Resort

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RE: ODBC problem - biggie and technical

[Anthony Youngman]

And you've completely missed the point ...

Yes it is a local file. But it's created as part of the bigger process
of enabling access to the account. Just creating the file is useless.
Once it's created, getting HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO to run isn't enough. It's
all the other things that "prepare this account for odbc access" does
that aren't getting done.

What's the point of creating the file, if the odbc daemon doesn't know
the account exists to look for it? etc etc. I don't know what's going on
under the bonnet, and if the car splutters to a halt half way down the
road EVERY time I try, I'm not going to get very far, am I?

Anyway - this problem was caused (I presume) because I kept *deleting*
the file to try and give each subsequent attempt another clear shot at
eanbling access. So it's clear that just creating it is going to do
nothing.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 26 February 2004 12:48
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Subject: RE: ODBC problem - biggie and technical

isn't hs_file_access a local file in the account you want to export
tables
from ?
if not create it ?
then see if you can see table from client

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I'm trying to enable odbc access to an account. odbc is working fine for
other accounts, so it SEEMS to be a problem with just this one account.
However, I suspect I may have damaged the HS.ADMIN account in my efforts
to get this to work :-(

Okay. What's caused the problem is wIntegrate. As you may know (various
people have moaned) it will occasionally terminate a session for no
apparent reason whatsoever. The only program that does this to us is
HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO. You can guess what's coming ...

The "enable odbc access" option in HS.ADMIN calls HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO as
part of its workings. It killed the session half way through ...

After several attempts to get it to behave itself, I am now getting
errors where it is unable to initialise the HS_FILE_ACCESS file. I'm not
sure whether there is supposed to be an HS_FILE_ACCESS file in the
HS.ADMIN account, but if there is, I've accidentally deleted it. It
doesn't appear to be there on my other server, though.

So I'm now stuffed. How do I get HS.ADMIN working again, or
alternatively bypass it completely to enable ODBC access. If anybody
knows what *HS.ACTIVATE does (in detail), or can slip me the source or
tell me where to find it, or can help me some other way, thanks very
much.

Cheers,
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ODBC problem - biggie and technical

[Anthony Youngman]

I'm trying to enable odbc access to an account. odbc is working fine for
other accounts, so it SEEMS to be a problem with just this one account.
However, I suspect I may have damaged the HS.ADMIN account in my efforts
to get this to work :-(

Okay. What's caused the problem is wIntegrate. As you may know (various
people have moaned) it will occasionally terminate a session for no
apparent reason whatsoever. The only program that does this to us is
HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO. You can guess what's coming ...

The "enable odbc access" option in HS.ADMIN calls HS.UPDATE.FILEINFO as
part of its workings. It killed the session half way through ...

After several attempts to get it to behave itself, I am now getting
errors where it is unable to initialise the HS_FILE_ACCESS file. I'm not
sure whether there is supposed to be an HS_FILE_ACCESS file in the
HS.ADMIN account, but if there is, I've accidentally deleted it. It
doesn't appear to be there on my other server, though.

So I'm now stuffed. How do I get HS.ADMIN working again, or
alternatively bypass it completely to enable ODBC access. If anybody
knows what *HS.ACTIVATE does (in detail), or can slip me the source or
tell me where to find it, or can help me some other way, thanks very
much.

Cheers,
Wol


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RE: UniCommand via UniObjects (Java)

[Anthony Youngman]

I would actually try sending

PA @FM QSELECT @FM SSELECT

Dunno whether it would work, but if sending an @FM-delimited list of
commands screws up by giving all the rest of the string to the first
command, maybe making the first command PA (to invoke the paragraph
processor) would achieve exactly what he wants?

I never realised before I started reading cdp/oliver that you didn't
need PA at the start of an @FM list called by EXECUTE, so that's the way
I've always done things. 

Cheers,
Wol

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I believe he can just call a paragraph such

PARAGRAPH 12345

Where PARAGRAPH is the following VOC entry

PA
* <>
QSELECT CLIENT.XREF "<>"
SSELECT AR.TR BY MATTER WITH INVOICE = "<>"




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I think you can put the commands in a single paragraph and run that from
UniObjects.  You'll have to pass in the DATA to the paragraph (since I
figure that 12345 is the value of a variable) and I haven't tried that
with
UOJ, but I suspect others have.  Good luck.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
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Subject: UniCommand via UniObjects (Java)

I'm attempting to send a compound command with the UniCommand object and
have hit what looks like a documented limitation.  Before I go off and
rethink how I'm doing this, I thought I'd ask to make sure this really
won't
work.

What I'm attempting is to run something like this under UniObjects.

QSELECT CLIENT.XREF "12345" :@FM: SSELECT AR.TR BY MATTER WITH INVOICE =
"12345"

On this system, doing this results in a very quick selection of a couple
hundred records out of the AR.TR file.  But, the docs for UniObjects say
only one command at a time.  Does this mean that sticking a couple
commands
together like this is just not possible?  I've tried it and it looks
like
the QSELECT is being attempted with all parts of the command string.

If it won't work, I suppose I'll be reduced to writing up a stub of a
program to do the same thing and just call it from the UniObjects side
of
things.  But, if there's a better way, I'm all ears.

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RE: [OT] Making Linux bootable CD

[Anthony Youngman]

Actually, iirc, it's even easier than that. Roxio takes over the .iso
extension so double-click the iso, and up will fire Roxio all ready to
burn ... :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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Hi Martin,

Having finished this exact task less than 24hrs ago 8-0 go into Roxio
CD, Create a Data CD and then goto File menu, Create a CD from an image,
browse to the directory where your iso files are (don't forget to change
the file mask in the drop down box from cif to iso) and click on the
file you wish to create.

I've just done slackware, suse and redhat so I am fairly sure it will
work 8-) I'm trying to get another database running that doesn't like
something Red Hat has done. Contact me offline if you have any more
problems.

HTH

Regards

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OK, I give up.  Someone out there must have done this and have the
answer

I need to set up a new Linux system.  I have downloaded the five RedHat
8.0
.iso CD image files.  I now need to make a set of bootable CDs.
Everything
on the RedHat web site starts from the assumption that your CD writer is
on
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have
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RedHat suggest using cdrecord.  This in turn requires CygWin.  I
downloaded
this but the instructions don't work because the commands they use
aren't
there.  I want to do the job with my existing Easy CD software.

I have spent the entire day trying to do this.  I will be forever
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RE: Wintegrate xterm or Linux emulation

[Anthony Youngman]

Yep, but the reason I said "I don't understand" was that wIntegrate is a
terminal emulator. And xterm is a terminal emulator (well, near as
dammit).

Isn't it a bit daft to emulate an emulator? If you like wIntegrate, just
run that in a wine box and tell the app you're using wIntegrate.

But if you want to know about writing wit files, I wrote the pt200/pt250
files that shipped with wIntegrate 4. I guess they haven't altered since
... ask me and if I can remember I'll help with any problems.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: RE: Wintegrate xterm or Linux emulation

> Doesn't an xterm by default emulate vt?
Not sure.  I will compare the infocmp output on the two and see.

> And what are you trying to do? I don't understand the question ...
For various historical reasons, we are currently using a hacked version
of the wyse60 emulation.  This works OK with our U2 app but fails on any
other app that properly uses terminfo.  We could hack the terminfo as
well but of course the correct thing to do is get our use of eumlations
right.

As we are moving to Linux at the moment I thought I would take the
opportunity to look at this and xterm and linux are common terminal
types (Putty emulates an xterm).  What I would like is to have
wintegrate correctly emulate either xterm or linux type terminals.  The
way to do this would seem to create my own wit file but I was wondering
if someone had already been down this road and would mind sharing.

Thanks,

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RE: Wintegrate xterm or Linux emulation

[Anthony Youngman]

Doesn't an xterm by default emulate vt?

And what are you trying to do? I don't understand the question ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Subject: Wintegrate xterm or Linux emulation
Dear All,

Has anyone managed to get winteg 4.2 to emulate xterm or linux terminal
types or does anyone know if winteg 5 emulates either of these?

Looking at wintegrate if I put together a .wit and put it in wintsys/wit
directory it might work but I thought I'd ask in case anyone has been
there.

Thanks,

Adrian

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We're running wIntegrate 5.1.0 to get to UniData 5.2.15. In checking the
terminal setup dialogue, wIntegrate supports the following types of
terminal
emulations:
addsvp  adm11   amp230  ansi
at386   cifer   d413ibm3151
in4407  in9400  in9400b Monitor
Nonepcmon   prism   prism9
pt200   qvt119  regent  scoansi
tvi950  tvi955  tvi965  viewdata
vt100   vt220   vt420   vt52
w50vp   wyse50  wyse60
Hope that helps...
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RE: uniVerse problems

[Anthony Youngman]

Is this after shutting down UV, or after shutting down the pc?

Dunno if it's fixed, but we ALWAYS reboot after shutting down UV. If you
shut down the telnet server while telnet clients are running, the telnet
server won't restart ...

(there are ways round this, but we can't be bothered ...)

Cheers,
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Subject: FW: uniVerse problems

Hi
 
Can any one help me on the following:
 
I have loaded universe (file uv1004pe) on my desktop running Windows
MS2000 quite some time ago.  Initially it worked ok, but when I now try
the following uv services do not seem to start.
 
UniVerse Telnet Service
UniVerse REXEC service
 
However the other two start correctly:
 
UniVerse Resource Service
Uni RPC Service
 
If I start the service using the MS Administrative Tools - Services the
following message appears:
 
Microsoft Management Console
Could not start the UniVerse Telnet Service service on Local Computer.
The service did not return an error.  This could be an internal Windows
error or an internal service error.
If the problem persists, contact your system administrator.
 
and for the other service:
 
Microsoft Management Console
Could not start the UniVerse REXEC Service service on Local Computer.
The service did not return an error.  This could be an internal Windows
error or an internal service error.
If the problem persists, contact your system administrator.
 
I haven't used universe for a month or so but it did used to work
perfectly.  Can you advise me on what the problem could be and the a
solution.
 
Thanks
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RE: [OT] Pr1me Hardware question

[Anthony Youngman]

If it's an AMLC ... I'm sure an engineer on (I think)
news:comp.sys.prime could tell us, but I'm guessing it must have been
one of the big boxes. We had AMLCs on our 25/30, But by the time of the
850 an 950 I think they were using ICS boards. So - we got our first
rabbit mid-83? that was post-AMLC I would guess. Of course, the old
machines were still around so AMLCs would still have been around, but
they would have been disappearing by then.

I'd love to get my hands on an old rabbit, but I doubt there are many
about :-(

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 23 February 2004 04:39
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: [OT] Pr1me Hardware question

Wow. I appreciate the OT, Dawn!

I used to work at Pr1me, started in manufacturing in 1979,
doing incoming quality control on their multi-layered printed
circuit boards. This board may even have a stamp on it, showing
who actually tested the board through the process. I moved up to
Marketing Technical Support at the Corporate Marketing Support
Center from manufacturing in 1981, and was there until 1983 -
when I went off to join Pr1me VAR MADIC, (manufacturing
applications package), written in Pr1me INFORMATION.
I ended up coming back to Prime in 1986, after MADIC had
"business difficulties", and was a founding technical member
of the PICK to Pr1me INFORMATION Conversion &
Reseller Support Center.

I would dare to say that you are looking a an AMLC -
Asynchronous Multi Line Controller card. Serial tty I/O board,
four connectors of four Asynch ports per, yeilding 16, (0-15),
total ports. I think 9600 baud maximum, (maybe 19.2K?).
If I remember correctly, these are four layer, maybe 6 layers, of
substrate/circuitry.  The 0-3, 4-7, 8-11, 12-15 side would be
sticking out the back, where cable assemblies would connect up
to them. The opposite side of the board - with two longer gold
tipped fingers connectors are, would be plugged into the
"backplane", which is how all the boards would talk to each other;
Memory at the top,CPU board sets next, disk controllers &
communications controllers next, and asynchronous termial
controllers next. Of course, power supplies at the base.
These backplanes were basicially printed circuit boards, yet
some of them still had "wire-wrapped" connections on them.

These would be the boards that handled serial tty RS232 ports
to "dumb terminals", BeeHives (PT-45), Perkin Elmer OWL,
PT200's in the later years.

Do you recall what model of Pr1me 50 Series it came from?
What company were you working at that was using it?

I hope this helps provide you with some historical technical
tidbits to share with the young whippa-snappers!

Regards,
Scott Richardson
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RE: uvbackup

[Anthony Youngman]

Replace the "file concatenate" symbol ">" with the pipe symbol "|", and
then follow that directly with the gzip command.

/usr/uv/bin/uvbackup -f -v -l "TEST" /data1/MEMBERSHIP/GM.MEDLE | gzip
-9 > /backup/GM.MEDLE.gz

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Subject: uvbackup

Hi,

Can anyone help me with the proper syntax for this problem :

I want to backup a single uv file (DYNAMIC) and compress it with gzip in
one
go, i have no problems doing it in two steps like this :
   
   /usr/uv/bin/uvbackup -f -v -l "TEST" /data1/MEMBERSHIP/GM.MEDLE >
/backup/GM.MEDLE
   gzip -9 /backup/GM.MEDLE

   this leaves me with GM.MEDLE.gz in /backup, very nicely

since uvbackup uses stdout
and gzip uses stdin it must somehow be possible to redirect gzip output
to
/backup/GM.MEDLE.gz

best regards from denmark

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RE: @SPAM+++++++++

[Anthony Youngman]

Doesn't time fly!

I can (just about) remember when 1c == 1d. That really DOES go back!

Cheers,
Wol

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Wol, that would be awfully long time ago - an exchange rate of 1.20 to the
pound (maybe around 1983ish).  For a long time it was at around 1.50 to the
pound ;-)

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$72 per user? That's CHEAP!

We pay IBM direct £60 per user. At current exchange rates, that's about
$110. In mitigation, though, sterling has been rising markedly of late - not
that long ago £60 would have been about $72.

Cheers,
Wol



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RE: [UV] How much do you pay for support each year?

[Anthony Youngman]

$72 per user? That's CHEAP!

We pay IBM direct £60 per user. At current exchange rates, that's about $110. In 
mitigation, though, sterling has been rising markedly of late - not that long ago £60 
would have been about $72.

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: [UV] How much do you pay for support each year?

Our VAR just sent our UniVerse support bill for next year.  We are running UniVerse 
10.0.0.1 on Windows 2000 Sever.
It is $72/user license.  With 60 licenses, that is $4320,  plus the windows support at 
865.00.

We used them for some support over the year, but mostly it was related to their 
installation of UV on the server prior to shipping it to us.  We're located on the 
west coast and their support was in the east coast of the US. 
  So, sometimes their support was slow in responding.

They are not our software vendor, they just sold us the server and UniVerse.

What are my options?
Can we purchase support directly from IBM?

Any ideas?

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