[FairfieldLife] A story to inspire hope...

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
...especially in those who were disturbed by the recent discussions of farmyard sex. If such things bother you in the US, move to Sudan, where they have developed a truly elegant and God-sanctioned approach to the issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm -

[FairfieldLife] Chris Moore interview

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
For those who have discovered the joys of Christopher Moore, here's an interview with him about his new book, "A Dirty Job," which is a funny novel about death. In the interview he also says a few things about spirituality, religion, vampires, women wearing oven mitts to counter their tendency to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TorquiseB writes: snipped > Those who say > that they have experienced the goal that is shared > by pretty much the entire group (for example, > enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in > the group who have not had such a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:05 PM, purushaz wrote:---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is incorrect.  Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, which have to do with relative endeavors..  Why stop with control over pain?  Why not say that Enlightened peopl

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > > > > Those who say > > > that they have experienced the goal that is shared > > > by pretty much the entire group (for e

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote:--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped  Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example,  enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in the g

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > > wrote: > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped > > > > > > > > Those who say > > > > that they have experienced the goal tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I'm not talking just about the manifestation > > of this phenomenon in the TM world, but about > > what it seems to be like in *all* of the > > group

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > > > wrote: > > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne

2006-03-01 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Peter writes: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. Vaj writes: I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually Spiritual Codependence? Never mind then! Tom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote: > > > --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >> TorquiseB writes: snipped > >> Those who say > >> that they have experienced the goal that is > shared > >> by pretty much t

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Ben Collins

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Happy Birthday Ben Collins Have a good one, Ben. Do a special puja or something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > contrary. What I've observed has been a > tendency to be deferential to those who > claimed or were rumored to be enlightened. In certain quarters of Fairfield, especially MUM, people do

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > contrary. What I've observed has been a > > tendency to be deferential to those who > > claimed or w

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > contrary. What I've observed has been a > > tendency to be deferential to those who > > claimed or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the >>> contrary. What I've observed ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > > contrary. What I've observed has been

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > contrary. What I've observed has been a > > tendency to be deferential to those who > > claimed or w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Personally I'm wary of anyone making E claims and prefer orgs that don't even use the word.  IMO, energywise, "being enlightened" is just the new age-eastern version of "being saved by Jesus". I loved this! Yes, you've described the conversion e

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 10:02 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the >>> contrary. What I've observed ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility  that the mutual complicity inherent in satsangculture is actually  Spiritual Codependence?Never mind th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness.. on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a ba

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: > > jim_flanegin wrote: > > > Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson > > legacy". Thanks > > It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 > years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson proclaimed that he was > enlighten

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "I don't know if this is true about the Travis studies, but it used to be policy at MUM that any study reg. higher states could only be done using subjects with valid dome badges -- the idea of someone without a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson > > > legacy". Thanks > > > > It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Rick Archer  wrote: jim_flanegin  wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson legacy". Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson p

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread feste37
Very nice post. Satsang as a way of weaving ever more subtle self-delusions. Not being much of a Satsanger, I wouldn't know for sure, but it sounds very plausible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My observation of having recently (over the last year) lis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more  "neoadvaita" kind of gathering.On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:50 AM, feste37 wrote:Very nice post. Satsang as a way o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility   that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually   Spiritual Codependence? Never

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:12 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Peter writes: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. Vaj writes: I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility   that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness.. on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > contrary. What I've observed has been a > > tendency to be deferential to those who > > claimed or w

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote: > > >>> And sad. A collective cheer should go up for > >>> realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. > >>> > >> > >> I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up > >> the pos

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson > > > legacy". Thanks > > > > It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it a

[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Guidelines.txt

2006-03-01 Thread FairfieldLife
Guidelines File 12/22/05 Fairfield Life averages 75-150 posts a day; 300+ on peak days. To avoid having your inbox flooded, we suggest one of the following: 1) Opt to receive the emails, but create a folder in your email client and a rule to direct all FFL posts to that folder. 2) Choose the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:42 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:I can certainly see from one POV how a group of awakened individuals  could appear to have some silent codependent agreement with one  another, driven by ego satisfaction. And how from this same POV,  there is no argument and little criticism within

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:42 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > I can certainly see from one POV how a group of awakened individuals > > could appear to have some silent codependent agreement with one > > another, driven by ego sa

[FairfieldLife] Writers protest the new totalitarianism

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
Writers protest the new totalitarianismIbn WarraqJyllands Posten, the Danish newspaper that originally posted the Muhammad cartoons, has published a manifesto signed by 12 writers -- Muslim, ex-Muslim (including Jihad Watch Board member Ibn Warraq), and non-Muslim -- protesting the jihad, situating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ben Collins

2006-03-01 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have a good one, Ben. Do a special puja or something. > ** Happy Birthday, Ben. Marek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and

[FairfieldLife] mum lawsuits

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
Two separate federal lawsuits have now been filed in U.S. District Court in Des Moines against M.U.M. claiming the school doesn't adequately protect its students. The estate of Levi Butler filed one of the lawsuits, and Killian's family filed the other. The lawsuits allege M.U.M. was ne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara.I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility  that t

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Marek Reavis
**Comment below** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > One disconcerting thing that was obvious very soon and persisted > throughout these sessions was the almost absolute infrequency with > which descriptions ever strayed outside of either establi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more  "neoadvait

[FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread peterklutz
A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:**Comment below** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** One disconcerting thing that was obvious very soon and persisted   throughout these sessions was the almost absolute infrequency with   which descripti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > >> The true definition of "Co

Re: [FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 3:48 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme > is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding > with for six months. So a lot of "horses" took a lot of 6-month courses. How many enlighte

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great .sig file :-)

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > * > > If you meet the Buddha on the Internet, killfile him. > > Funny, yeah. But seriously I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/28/06 10:19 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I see you are doing the same thing, that is, stating the 'party' > > > line, do

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY > > talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that is death to > > materiality an

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs > >> which were very positive and evolu

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY > > > talks

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm not arguing that there aren't charlatans out > > > there; there are. But

Re: [FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 3/1/06 3:48 PM, peterklutz at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the > TM-Sidhi programme > > is so effective that even a horse could become > enlightened if rounding > > with for six months. > > S

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@y

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a conversation I had with a priest in a Tamil temple he suggested > that dong the Sidhis can burn off 7 lifetimes of Karma in one liftime. > Go figure. Makes some sense to me. Tom T > One c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that i

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that > > > you "know" what everyone is "really" saying, > > > so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually > > > say anything. :-) > > > > Translation: Barry's peeved tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because sometimes I seriously wonder, and he has NEVER said so to my > knowledge! He seems more like a bitter old man these days and > sometimes the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. > Also hi

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, > although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I > cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- > many many m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > Because sometimes I seriously wonder, and he has NEVER said so to my > > knowledge! He seems more like a bitter old man these days and > > sometim

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that > > > > you "know" what everyone is "really" saying, > > > > so it's kinda irrelevant for them to act

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > That's it. That was also Papaji's point stating too many > > > are hanging around a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/28/06 11:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Yes, many would rather wallow in the inertia of their 'seeker'  > >> > >> > >> identity, proclaiming enlightenment can't be so, because

[FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein's Statement

2006-03-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
"While we are deeply sympathetic for the loss suffered by Levi's family, the responsibility for the murder does not lie with the university he attended. At the same time, Killian has filed a separate lawsuit claiming he suffered damages as a result of being attacked with a pen by Shuvender Sem

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme > is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding > with for six months. > When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that > > > > > you "know" what everyo

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLif

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In other words, when someone claims to be enlightened, > > > > > we should just accept it without question? > > > > > > > > > > > > If I say I have brown hair, why is that so much easier to accept, > > > > than

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Holy" books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > You, on the other hand, seem to be so *threatened* > > > by these alternative points of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLif

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj > > > > > > This could be major. I wonder if MUM is pr

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj > > This could be major. I wonder if MUM is properly insured to cover financial > liabilities should they lose. > Could also

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:28 PM, bbrigante wrote: > > > If Sem had only been involved in twice-daily TM, that might have > > been OK, but students were being told to meditate 10 minutes out of > > each class hour, effectively

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, that undoubtedly would have done wonders for his psychosis. A > meat and potatoes diet along with Tai Chi is what they always recommend > when someone stabs someone else. > > Both you and Bob appear to b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > A windfall for Kaplan, but also good for meditators who owned homes > > next to Purusha, as their home values will go up -- they can sell > > easil

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:24 PM, bbrigante wrote: > > > Not that it matters to a personality like yours, which is only about > > half a click from that of Sem, > > Takes one to know one, Bob. > > > > > http://geoci

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > Yeah, that undoubtedly would have done wonders for his psychosis. > > A meat and potatoes diet along with Tai Chi is what they always > > recommend when someone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > MMY himself says he has not invented any of the info, just revived it it's more pure form > (and then stuck his own name on it, of course). It's not MMY University of Mangement, or MMY anything else. Maharishi is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "purushaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is > incorrect. Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, > which have to do with relative endeavors.. Why stop with control over > pa

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In F

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:05 PM, purushaz wrote: > > > ---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is > > incorrect. Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, > > which have to do wit

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > contrary. What I've observed has been a > > tendency to be deferential to those who > > claimed or

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the > > > contrary. What I've observed has

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/1/06 10:02 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > >>> > >>> FWIW, I've neve

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- anonyff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the > TM-Sidhi programme > > is so effective that even a horse could become > enlightened if rounding > > with for s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochuresat the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78thStreet in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would beenl

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures > at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj > > > > This could be major. I wonder if MUM is properly

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > anonyff@ writes: > > > > When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these y

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > --- In F

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > A windfall for Kaplan, but also good for meditators who owned > homes > > > ne

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread matrixmonitor
---Right (below - CC in 5 years, actually). That's how long it took Jerry Jarvis to reach CC, so the idea and promotion gimmicks were biased toward his experiences, as the SIMS leader. As to animals becoming Enlightened, there's a precedent in Ramana Maharshi's tradition, since he helped Lakshmi t

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" wrote: > > > > > > A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme > > is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > "I don't know if this is true about the Travis studies, but it used to > be policy at MUM that any study reg. higher states could only

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