Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The remarkable thing is that almost all th

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-19 Thread Diego Schulz
Excuse me, this thread was about..? I follow the list regularly but haven't posted any messages so far (that I can recall, at least), in the few years subscribed. I participate a little more actively in a few other lists, as well; but honestly I haven't seen a list as polluted as this one. The rem

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. Hey, Puchar, good flame at all, but after reading all of these emails I decided and make a donation. Do you ? :) Is someone else ready for this ? Today i sent some hardware to 2 people

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-18 Thread Todor Dragnev
On 01.06.2009, at 18:48, Wojciech Puchar wrote: every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
donor"==real spammer. I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each all your opinions criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have wh

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/02/09 18:01>> >>> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not >>> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with >>> every potential new user. >> >> I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pl

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-03 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:15>> >> >> I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical >> observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even >> exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the >> potential donor. >> >> That's all I h

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-03 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > >every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > > >As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how > >small the amount. They'll display a link for donat

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. Also, I don't think that an artificial

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a sense of sentence. I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely resistible to misreading. If second - then plea

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:34:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it > > Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? > > I don

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ... > >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > >> decide. > > > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > > where you said that you were not an owner. > > this way -

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. If someone needs good unix,

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> just added option to pay by instalments > > > > The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His > > original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. > > You repeatedly said that he would need to

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : ... >> >>> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors >>> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing >>> list? >> >> Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they >> don't want to be a part of that commun

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
... Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will decide. We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line where you said that you were not an owner. this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a sens

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
just added option to pay by instalments The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros". Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. Yes - i

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 12:44PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> You believe he will pay for 4 years? >>> >> >> No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. > >so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. >just added option to pay by instalments The original poster sever

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
You believe he will pay for 4 years? No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. just added option to pay by instalments ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : >> I can't resist.  The lack of math is killing me: >> >> ONE zero.  ONE (1) ONE zero. >> >> 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year >> 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year >> >> $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 >> $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: >My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, >so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating >threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out >on a plotter and hang i

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need

RE: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Gary Gatten
--- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Monceaux Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojcie

Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

2009-06-02 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> $417/month = $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed for a link). $417/month = $5004/year.

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 07:23AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml >> >> So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a >> little >> more, get their link and help the project as a whole. > >That's what i told -

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little more, get their link and help the project as a whole. That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. Missed opportunity. sure not. __

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-06-02 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:08:30AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > > >I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and > >knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the > > once again please reread that post. it wasn't even potential donor, but > potenti

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. finally c

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-06-01 Thread cpghost
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Team, > > We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close > connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful > Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high ___

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. > > > >I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? > > Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of tha

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk
Wojciech Puchar wrote: > How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread. -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@fre

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method for tunneling ANY IP traffic. __

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 > > set Port: 8080 > > select "SOCKS v5" > > > >Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page > >and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. > > > well - same here. If you like to

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select "SOCKS v5" Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse http:

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > >>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 > > > >My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > >SSH proxy (

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others. Actually - starting it was not my plan at all. __

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
OMFG Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!! How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED li

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironic

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > >unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > >just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a >

Re: www.freebsd.org problems (was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Fabian Keil
Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in > > > every brows

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Gary Gatten
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly d

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Neal Hogan
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> > because of forum - still read and posts here. >> >> None of your concern:

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Of course - ban it! > > >> > > >> > > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a p

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it > > because of forum - still read and posts here. > > None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. > Whether som

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : > >> > >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT > >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes > >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. > >> > >

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in > > every browser. > > Actually it's known to ren

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > >unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > >just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Paul Schmehl
Would all the children fighting in this thread please go suck your binkies and leave the list alone. This has gone on for far too long, has worn out any entertainment value it ever had and is clearly sucking up valuable bandwidth. And yes, I'm well aware you'll feel compelled to respond, so al

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
it's UNMODERATED mailing list, so i can share my opinion. And you are really the last person i care about when presenting my opinion. So are you going to answer my question? Why did you answer his question? already did. ___ freebsd-questions@freeb

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> Actually he said: >> >> > href=http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12268152.html> >> What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning >> on the site somewhere with a link to our website. > > so if you believe it m

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Actually he said: http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12268152.html> What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. so if you believe it means that he will be happy with being on list, i can

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >>> anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand >>> well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is >>> still waiting :) >> >> I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT >> directed to

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there >> *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong >> with what > > so look back, as there wasn't. > > I think you just followed trend to cri

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just followed trend to criticize my "just because", while you didn't start it. _

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of >> anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. >> We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate >> resource: a webpage, a

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the righ

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. I read what you posted "carefully." I'm asking you to

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is still waiting :) I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT directed to you. did you really read my sentence. I TOO

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. >>> >>> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. >> >> i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might > possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a > sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a > developer nor a core team membe

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If > > for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. ok . . . > >> Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, >> appreciate

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to fail (for whatever

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid point. Which WILL end up with moderated list within some time. Current quality will not improve, only will get worse sooner or later. The moderated list should be started quickly for simple reason: at the beginning (almost)

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT directed to you. Neither was it to me. I did not reply to it because it was clearly addressed to the core team. it was addressed to mailing list. if he would like to address it to core team, then he would do this! to b

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
to miss those. Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any one person! All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so thanks

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread prad
On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500 Neal Hogan wrote: > > of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many > > times this or similar way at me that it matured! > > That's actually pretty funny! Nice! > yes that is very well done! > As far as having the right to post your opinion

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Well, that certainly doesn't follow. >> >> Actually, that one does. > > Don't bother, he just answered that after reading "wojciech puchar" in mail > header, so he had to be against. No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functio

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, First of all, if anyone is still reading it, I apologize if I sounded harsh but I do care about FreeBSD so it does bother me that potential supporters are turned down. Explanation below. > anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand > well. so - if FreeBSD

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good opinion . . . no? exactly. but as you may compare some of my opinions to "flat earth" as i m

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. Don't bother, he just answered that after reading "wojciech puchar" in mail header, so he had to be against. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't m

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Sorry to wade in to this, but the reality has been and is just the oposite. It is m. Puchar who has been making reactionary responses and somewhat unkind ones at that.Is it a language issue? Or is this. please tell me (privately) the fragment that you read as this, because everything i t

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. >>> >>> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. >>> >> i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Gatten
reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:06 PM To: utis...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD >> Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be >> >> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD =

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >>> > >>> Of course - ban it! > >> > >> > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why > >> I > >> no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everythin

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>"mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. > > > >Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But > >don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. I'm very sorry f

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
- post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread prad
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: > > - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD > > fundation and contributors. > > But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. > i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a differe

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many >> threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest >> little thing that annoyed someone else.  GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. > > no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you wi

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find part of forum users to

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread prad
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 Chris Knipe wrote: > If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you > have a mature OS... > i think it is a good idea for people to act maturely on forums otherwise we stop communicating and start screammunicating. > Why am I still here

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Charlie Kester
On Wed 27 May 2009 at 09:44:03 PDT Glen Barber wrote: This is enough. I agree. It is characteristic of flamewars that the participants are no longer talking about anything except each other. It's entirely off-topic. I don't know which is more tiresome, Wojciech's edgy remarks or the const

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Knipe
On 27/05/09 12:40 -0700, prad wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 "Chris Knipe" wrote: Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os?

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Boris Samorodov
Wojciech Puchar writes: 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD (restore a quote Wojciech deletted intentionally) >>> add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be >>> interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. >> >> No, any financial co

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Boosten
Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >>> because of forum - still read and posts here. >>> >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>> "mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. >> >> Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But >> don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing > > reread my posts. i didn't speak for

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread prad
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 "Chris Knipe" wrote: > Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I > no longer use FreeBSD. > i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os? -- In friendship, prad

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >>> because of forum - still read and posts here. >>> >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not,

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) dis

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Boosten
Wojciech Puchar wrote: no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns >>> >>> If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) >>> >>> This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! >> >> Well, that certainly doesn't follow.

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Of course - ban it! >> >> >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why >> I >> no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORU

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for

Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

2009-05-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
"mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. i AS

RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Knipe
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: 27 May 2009 05:57 PM To: Zbigniew Szalbot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; utis...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD >> >>> as usually - i speak for m

Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Do you know who Boris is? > > checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. > > but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage > and "improving" website. What I can gather from this thread is that he,

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