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On 4/19/06, Mark Koskenmaki
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On 4/19/06, Mark Koskenmaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The telephone company didn't choose a system with $500 CPE. They have a$50 CPE.Same with Cable. We can all understand the infrastructurebuildout and the considerable cost in building it, but even they grasp the
"cost of growth" limitati
And I run my own wisp!
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it is harder for them to do so
since there are so few such WISPs of any scale, and the largest WISP for
both also have Alvarion in their networks.
Anyway, please excuse the long winded, ra-ra post.
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It is not financially feasible for a mainstream WISP, who is attempting to
serve all types of internet customers to rely on BA for anything but
specialized application., It&
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I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
than other platforms then you are right but the performance boost and
wider coverage per cell make up
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> I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
> save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
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> "Mainstream" WISPs need good backhaul to interconnect tower locations.
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> I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
On a related note, "Raising Capital: Get the Money You Need to Grow Your Business" is an excellent book.
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> Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and
> continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's
using
> our gear in the states alone. You won't find
ges the rules again.
Stay tuned. Brad
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agreed, VL is far from carrier grade
On Apr 12, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Charles
Saying we're "niche" and
not "mainstream" and there is some division is a real strech. Brad
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM
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Steve said:
>You've finally come around to this view John, and you'll discover that
you have a lot of company in > that view - which isn't (widely)
represented on this list or necessarily within WISPA.
I did not "finally come around" Steve. For the record, I wanted VL at
the time I bought
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues not
mentioned here.
1) Canopy is limited to vertical polarity in PTMP deployments. Trango
and many other systems can be deployed in horizontal polarity, pretty much
avoiding
Get a 2.4 ap and a couple of cpe kits and do a small test install. If it
looks good buy more.
One of the first things we'd need to know in order to really help you out
would be more info on what your competition is doing
marlon
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ss, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:32 AM
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Tom,
Again, I am confused. You state that
I was thinking I would be the devils advocate, and ask this question:
Why go thru all the hassle of learning Mikrotik(Which, IMHO, Is a PITA),
when You can save the learning curve, and use Tranzeo, Deliberant or
even HighGain Antennas solutions that are cheap and easy to administer
and a M0n0wa
, to test all the variations.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:46 PM
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Steve,
What defines something as carrier grade should also be:
1. Scalablity
2. True QOS ( QOS performance in the upstream and downstream )
On Apr 12, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Steve Stroh wrote:
John:
Here's my working definition of "carrier grade":
Designed for use by carriers
Suitable for use
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Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier
nesday, April 12, 2006 9:46 PM
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Tom,
I am confused about your testing. If you are testing a link, and it has 2%
packet loss, then the link is going to run 2%-4% slower due to the loss,
therefore the results will reflect that loss.
Ever run a speed te
Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Tom,
I am confused about your testing. If y
I've always looked at Alvarion as being carrier grade or as close as
anything I've seen.
And they are a fine company.
George
Steve Stroh wrote:
Tom:
My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down
the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about not
Tom:
My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down
the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about not
doing Wi-Fi despite the growing, impressive wins of Wi-Fi mesh vendors.
They're not doing mesh, etc. They now are involved pretty deeply in the
cel
he radio. I got
> Iperf on the cell servers. But I'd love to be able to test performance to
> the CPE, without calling the customer to assist, and see the results I'm
> getting on the spot. It puts me in a vulnerable possition SLA wise and
> response time wise.
>
> You can t
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have
mine. :D
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Chad,
Based on your post, I just
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>
> With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than
> Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no
and
response time wise.
You can take the advise or leave it. Just my 2 cents.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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can take the advise or leave it. Just my 2 cents.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:33 PM
Steve, excellent points. except... (also see inline)
By your definition of Carrier grade, I could argue that many WISPs that
just so happen not to use Alvarion, may very well better meet the definition
of carrier grade than the carriers themselves. One of the negatives about
the Alvarion pr
Here's the reply for all answers.
Look at the name of the association. WISPA. We are not carriers, we Do
Not get listed on the stock-exchange, we do not have money to burn. This
is the reason for our existence. We deliver the goods where these fools
fear to tread. A Microcell with 10 customers
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>
> What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the
> absolute max I will let someone ask for. That mea
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> > Johnson
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> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz bo
et most of
> the data collected. Measuring packet loss is more important than measuring
> top speed in my mind.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" &l
uesday, April 11, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Using the 533 MHz IXP-420 we can get an Atheros to just over 35 mbps
of non compressible data and almost 90 mbps of compressible data.
Lonnie
On 4/11/06, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dan,
We
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It is TCP. We do n
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Hi,
> Does anyone know actual TCP
John:
Here's my working definition of "carrier grade":
Designed for use by carriers
Suitable for use by carriers
Sufficiently reliable for use by carriers
There is MUCH that goes into a product designed for use by carriers.
It's expensive and a tough market, so a lot of vendors don't try. Her
11, 2006 9:28 AM
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on th
12, 2006 11:05 AM
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Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
> How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it about
> Alvarion VL that makes the cut vs. Canopy? Lord knows Mo
Motorola designed Canopy specifically for the WISP market, not the
carrier market.
Alvarion designed VL specifically for the carrier market, not the WISP
market.
Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it abou
I decided to do some reading on the term "carrier-grade" and have found
the following to be what is considered a definition in relation to our
industry. One random source on the web refers to this as, "A term that
implies a system that is designed to have increased availability and
timeliness
’ PacWireless Dishes.
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Paul Hendry wrote:
All the details are on the Valemount web site http
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boar
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it about
Alvarion VL that makes the cut vs. Canopy? Lord knows Motorola produces
far more 'Carrier-Grade' equipment than Alvarion ever will - so where
did they go wrong with Canopy?
Also, I've heard lately several complaints that Waverider h
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, us
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on
another
wireless list.
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.
What processor and setup are you
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz
boards in
just a point to po
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for a new WISP
Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Paul Hendry wrote:
All the
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:20 PM
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As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues not
mentioned here.
1)
John Scrivner wrote:
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I guess maybe you could
call them and ask for the URL to their FCC certs? If you see this then
passing those along here would sure be nice.
Tranzeo in the past has played fast and loose with certificates besides
what they a
To clarify,
I was looking specifically for AP's that were certified for 120deg
sectors. I Searched the FCC database and couldn't find anything about
the Tranzeos. YMMV, however. Can anyone clear this up? A link?
Jason
John Scrivner wrote:
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I g
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I guess maybe you could
call them and ask for the URL to their FCC certs? If you see this then
passing those along here would sure be nice.
Thanks,
Scriv
Jason Wallace wrote:
John Scrivner:
" Sadly the best Wifi solutions available do not have
Might I inquire as to where the dishes can be had for $40?
On 4/10/06, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3
> miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to
> 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPo
John Scrivner:
" Sadly the best Wifi solutions available do not have 100% FCC
compliance. There are some that do though. Tranzeo is a good example.
Look at Tranzeo for your Wifi based gear needs. "
Tranzeo is 100% FCC legal? I've been looking for the certs...
Jason
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Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was
802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby
(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to
As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues
not mentioned here.
1) Canopy is limited to vertical polarity in PTMP deployments. Trango
and many other systems can be deployed in horizontal polarity, pretty
much avoiding any Canopy in the area.
2) Canopy systems wil
l 11, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> Travis Johnson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz
> > boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
> >
> > Travis
&
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers.
Since Canopy hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll mention it.
You really can't go wrong with a canopy installation. It works, even in
the presence of noise that would kil
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So... Who makes them?, how much?
Hi Richard,
This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz
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Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
So... Who makes them?, how much?
Hi Richard,
This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes
Richard Goodin wrote:
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about
a WISP operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away,
maybe 300 feet, another guy put up his tower. I think they were both
on 2.4 GHZ, and someone suggested a different AP that wo
All the details are on the Valemount web site
http://www.staros.com/starvx/
Cheers,
P.
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So
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Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a
WISP
operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away
Richard Goodin
Sent: 11 April 2006 08:09
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP
operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,
another guy put up his
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP
operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,
another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, and
someone suggested a different AP that would not even be detecte
Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.
They are like Timex watches.
I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2
card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.
Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz
That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3
miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to
10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get
hundreds of customers per sector.
Travis
Microserv
Rick Smith wrote:
that's only qu
Qty 30 (last I heard, I don't use them)
Rick Smith wrote:
that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has
that cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I ha
that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has that
cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to be
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has that
cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was
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