Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, you can post this from a friend'

2005-11-16 Thread Peter



She's the flower of compassion, ain't she?Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *** Swami G has a website:  http://kundalinisupport.com/a timely offeringon this ongoing subject)* Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comesback to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always,always or rarely granted?g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No--- the bond is broken . other situations are case by case * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. Ihave all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talkedout of it as I continue to ask you questions.G: while india may hold a lot of allure  it is Not the soleplace where an authentic Guru may be found...* When
 you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference anddegree of it according to circumstances. For example, KalkiBhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are notfull blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going onin his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it ismuch more powerful at the ashram.G: yes -* It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi'sgive the Diksha because if he did it, it would be toooverpowering.G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just to lazy totake on that mantle ... therefore it is being taken over byothers so he can put his energies elsewhere ...WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just tooverpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ...sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as beinganyway valid.* Would you give one of your disciples permission to takeDiksha elsewhere?G:
 absolutely Not ...you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time...i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo theconfusion that takes place when that happens  Beforetaking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path ..* What if one of your disciples took Darshan from motherMeera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you.G: Darshan is different than Diksha ..Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakeningor stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a Commitmentlike getting married .. you don't go to the altar and enter into amarriage with more than one person at a time  Diksha isalmost like getting married and yet it is even a deepercommitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to Guideyou for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed . Whyshould Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with asadhaka who
 prefers to not honor such a relationship .???.Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ?perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then youtake the risk of picking up a disease .. so what is better ?to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one thatcares for your welfare ???this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new collegeclass.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Dikshaand entering a path . oh it's just another type of learningand more is better ...No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalinipath ...* Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then whenthe lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, Iexplained that I already have my meditation technique so Iwill do that instead.G: this would be the correct way to handle it ..* Are these sort of
 undertakings enough for you to part with adisciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for eachGuru based on his style, to determine which punishment fitswhich crime (so to speak)?G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will either work withyou -- or when the bond has been breached on Purpose thenWhy in the world does the Guru owe you anything ?Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair orrunning after prostitutes Why in the world should the wifecontinue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it isclear that this Trust has been broken .. this relationship hasbeen severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions .Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an egothing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on Commitment toaide you within your journey . the Guru is offering you the wayto find the Pearl of Great Price
  they are offering their time,expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizinginfluence , clarity which you yet do not posses .Now what are you offering in return ???to listen on occasion when you feel like it ? and then to run hereand there seeing what else you can go play at ?Why oh Why would an authentic Guru continue to offer a preciouschance at liberation to one who has only eyes for his waywardlife ?? it is Amazing to see people expecting Guru's to jumpthrough their hoops .What in the world do you think is so enticing about acceptingsadhakas ?what great boon as a sadhaka are you 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread markmeredith2002

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your previous 
  faith in it, but there never was a threat.
  
  Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it does 
  you will be stuck with the name in your brainOff_world_beings.

Like Y2K, the bird flu issue is most certainly real, though the hype
about it may not be - the question is how lethal the mutated strain
that can pass from human to human will be.  I wasn't worried about Y2K
because I saw the world markets weren't in Dec, 1999 - not that the
problem never existed but that corporations had adequately dealt with
it to avoid major problems.  Still a little early for financial
markets to react to bird flu.

From Wikipedia, on Y2K.  

In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor meltdowns or
plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K errors
encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the public
largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-event.

Ironically, many people were upset that there appeared to be so much
hype over nothing, because the vast majority of problems had been
fixed correctly. Some critics have suggested that much preventive
effort was unnecessary. Their argument is it would have been cheaper
not to spend as much examining non-critical systems for flaws and
simply fix the few that would have failed after the event. The
argument of their opponents is that, had it not been for such efforts,
the problem would have been much worse and widespread.

For those not involved in the preventive effort, the conclusion that
all the efforts have been a waste was easy to draw, as they had no
knowledge of the countless systems that had been corrected, but had
only witnessed the problems that had not been fixed in time. Also, few
of them realized that fixing the problems afterwards would have been
much harder as active millennium problems would have complicated
matters. But in any case, for many systems the checking procedure
involved replacement with new, improved functionality and thus in many
cases the expenditure proved useful regardless.





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[FairfieldLife] Off topic? : recent trends that signal FF housing bubble

2005-11-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 So what? This has little or nothing to what I am referring to.
 
  Nothing new in this phenomena. Happens in US also. But it 
  is not an across the board National phenomena, 
 
 What I am referring to is across the board in major markets.



Yes, you have succeeded to fill up the FFL list with exacting 'almost 
anything', as the FFL home page encourages.  Why is the topic here?  
Out on the street for a while I ask and talk to a lot of people who do 
not read FFL anymore because of the reams of unrelated stuff like 
this.  People would be more inclined to come here as a place if it 
stuck to topic (FFL) a little more, but they tend not to look 
anymore.  

Can you bring this thread to Fairfield.  Like, is this disparity 
between rents and mortgage payments why the TMO is converting its 
properties to cash?  Or that some of the meditating community has fled 
to other places and that some of the meditating community is looking 
to move here as a place.  

Is it a reason to dump real estate in FF?  Or buy.  What is the trend 
in Fairfield?  Is the FF market unrelated local trend or national?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, you can post this from a friend'

2005-11-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
 *** Swami G has a website:  http://kundalinisupport.com/
 
 this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new college
 class.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Diksha
 and entering a path . oh it's just another type of learning
 and more is better ...
 
 No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalini
 path ...

What's a kundalini path? Anybody know?





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[FairfieldLife] Text:: SPECIAL NEWS REPORT: Evangelizing FF - Christianity Today Magazine

2005-11-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/001/11.74.html


The text:

Field of TM Dreams
Fairfield, Iowa, of all places, is now a major world center for 
Transcendental Meditation, and local Christians are figuring out how 
best to evangelize Maharishi's devotees.

By John W. Kennedy | posted 1/12/01
Fairfield, Iowa, is the site of one of the most unusual town-gown 
relationships in the country: cornfields, summer park band concerts, 
and heavy industry mixed with Indian restaurants, colonic-irrigation 
clinics, and golden meditation domes.

It all started in 1973, when Parsons College, a 98-year-old 
Presbyterian-affiliated school in Fairfield went bankrupt, leaving 
the town of 10,000 in a quandary. A year later, the fledgling 
Maharishi International University—founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
onetime guru to the Beatles, Clint Eastwood, and Joe Namath—bought 
the campus for a bargain $2.5 million and transplanted from Santa 
Barbara, California. At first townsfolk rejoiced at what appeared to 
be their economic salvation. Some mainline ministers embraced 
Transcendental Meditation (TM) as an effective relaxation technique.

Yet the honeymoon soon ended when several evangelical pastors 
charged that TM represented Hindu religion, not science as Maharishi 
asserted. The relationship has been strained for most of the 27 
years that the school, now known as Maharishi University of 
Management (MUM), has been in Fairfield. But the tensions have 
escalated in recent months as TM has started bulldozing historic 
campus buildings and as meditators (followers of TM) have taken 
steps to incorporate their own town, Vedic City (the Vedas are the 
Hindu scriptures), north of Fairfield.

While TM's influence continues to grow in Fairfield, most local 
evangelical churches are struggling—few have more than 150 attending 
services. Still, they are seeking ways not merely to condemn TM but 
to reach out to meditators.

Science or religion?
More than 1,200 TM instruction centers in 108 countries offer free 
introductory lectures, including 135 in the United States. In all, 6 
million people worldwide have taken TM classes, including 1.5 
million Americans. Several studies have concluded that the TM 
lifestyle leads to better health, with twice-daily relaxation 
periods, adherence to a largely vegetarian diet, and abstention from 
alcohol and tobacco. Government offices, businesses, and prisons in 
several nations pay for workers and inmates to learn the technique.

TM is also beginning to have a political presence, albeit a small 
one. John Hagelin, a quantum physicist at mum, nearly captured the 
Reform Party nomination for President of the United States. When 
that effort failed, he returned to the Maharishi-inspired Natural 
Law Party, which fielded more than 1,000 candidates in 50 states in 
November. He received 80,847 votes nationwide in the November 
election.

As a meditation technique, TM has its origins in Hinduism, the 
religion of 700 million people worldwide, concentrated mostly in 
India. Hindus are polytheistic, recognizing an estimated 300 million 
gods. Hindus believe in reincarnation, in people's choices 
influencing their destiny, and in the sacredness of all forms of 
life.

Meditators, though, deny they are engaged in religious 
activity. The Transcendental Meditation technique is not a 
religion; it is not a religious practice, says Craig Pearson, 50, 
executive vice president of mum. It has nothing to do with 
religion; it's all about developing a total potential of brain 
function. Pearson, whose office is near Taste of Utopia Street and 
Golden Dome Way, is the author of a forthcoming book on yogic 
flying, a hopping maneuver performed with one's legs crossed.

Pearson says TM allows people to unlock their full God-given 
potential. All problems in the world, including drug abuse, school 
violence, marital strife, and government corruption, can be traced 
to a failure to use total brain potential, Pearson believes. There 
is no conflict with one's religion; in fact, there's only support 
for whatever one's religious tradition might be.

Pearson echoes the 1989 announcement by the TM World Plan Executive 
Council that the scientific technique nourishes all 
religions. What Maharishi is propagating is the essence of 
Christianity, the council stated. By teaching TM, Maharishi is 
creating heaven on earth and fulfilling the will of Christ.

Many Christians disagree. As Fairfield First Baptist Church pastor 
Jim Wotherspoon, 49, says, What it boils down to is either Jesus 
Christ is Lord or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is Lord.

For five years, Robert Relly lived in the Catskill Mountains of New 
York with an elite group that meditated, read Vedic scripture, and 
studied Sanskrit and Hindu astrology nine hours a day. He moved to 
Fairfield in 1993. I thought I was on the path to God, says Relly, 
35. I was going to save the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 This is not the chicken little
 yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is 
the 
 greatest danger humanity has ever faced is universal

Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said 
 that 
  it 
COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only 
IF 
  it is
a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human 
to 
human, and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 
4 
hurdles are met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.
   
   However, there seems to be a great deal of agreement
   among the experts that it is *likely* that all four
   hurdles will be met.  And if they are, the potential
   consequences would be so devastating that we can't just
   sit back and say, Well, but it might not happen.
  
  
  I might get hit on the head by a meteorite if I step outside the 
  door. 
  The BMA article was suggesting it was just hypothetical and not 
  likely.
  
   
I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. 
I 
  bet 
he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo 
beans 
  left 
over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.
   
   Maybe.  But the difference is that we took very
   effective measures to *keep* Y2K from being a 
   disaster.  Had we not, it could well have been.
  
  
  Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your 
previous 
  faith in it, but there never was a threat.
  
  Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it 
does 
  you will be stuck with the name in your 
brainOff_world_beings.
 

 I think I'd prefer the bird flu, actually.

What bird flu?

Off_world_beings





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
   Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your 
previous 
   faith in it, but there never was a threat.
   
   Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it 
does 
   you will be stuck with the name in your 
brainOff_world_beings.
 
 Like Y2K, the bird flu issue is most certainly real, though the 
hype
 about it may not be - the question is how lethal the mutated strain
 that can pass from human to human will be.  I wasn't worried about 
Y2K
 because I saw the world markets weren't in Dec, 1999 - not that the
 problem never existed but that corporations had adequately dealt 
with
 it to avoid major problems.  Still a little early for financial
 markets to react to bird flu.
 
 From Wikipedia, on Y2K.  
 
 In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor 
meltdowns or
 plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K 
errors
 encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
 disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the 
public
 largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-
event.

It was not an issue. A few computers may have blinked, with or 
without the intervention. 

Off_world_beings





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[FairfieldLife] :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Jeez, so much for their credibility. Really, they don't need to do 
this kind of stuff.  What are they thinking when they do it?  It is 
sucho blatantly dishonest thinking.  Who would actually take the 
time to edit like this and think they were going to pull something 
over?  Bobby?  Mario?  Craig?  Ken?  They do TMO PR, is it their 
thinking and hands on it? This is just really bad.  Shame on them 
folks that they would think like that and do it.  It is so twisted. 
Is it such a cult?  Evidently.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 In a typical move, Global Good News has simulated a reprint of 
this 
 article from the NYT, but all negative news has been deleted -- 
 specifically, the inconclusive research on TM at the U of Michigan 
 noted in paragraph 19, and the student who was interested in 
 learning TM only until he found out it costs $2500 (next-to-last 
 paragraph in original NYT article):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/89ykj
 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html
   
   
   Earth's Future Peacemakers Just Need a Little T.M.
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   By LILY KOPPEL
   Published: November 14, 2005
   DAVID LYNCH, the filmmaker known for his distorted, 
labyrinthine 
 worlds, 
   wants America's young people to clear their minds.
   The David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education 
and 
 World Peace, 
   formed in July, is raising money to bring Transcendental 
 Meditation to 
   students from first grade through college. Mr. Lynch's vision 
 involves raising $7 
   billion and creating universities dedicated to earth's future 
 peacemakers.
   Diving within to the energy and bliss is how Mr. Lynch, 
 who has been 
   meditating for 30 of his 59 years, puts it. He hopes diving 
 within will be 
   standard in every student's curriculum.
   Pouring water on this root, these kids, he 
 said. Enlightenment is the 
   fulfillment of the most exquisite machine on earth. Any human 
 being can visit it. 
   Anything that is a thing emerges from this thing.
   Mr. Lynch's explanations are certainly imaginative, a film of 
 his mind: The 
   word transcending is the key to it, to the very deepest, most 
 profound eternal 
   level; It's not a joke. It's a thing that works. Mankind is 
 not meant to 
   suffer; This is an ocean of bliss. It's like grabbing onto 
the 
 biggest elec
   trical line filled with bliss.
   Mr. Lynch, who is working on a film Inland Empire, practices 
 T.M. 20 
   minutes twice a day by sitting in a comfortable position, 
 closing his eyes and 
   repeating a mantra. He says it allows him to enjoy the doing 
of 
 things more.
   If somebody is a filmmaker, they get rid of things like deep 
 fear, anxiety, 
   frustration, he said of meditation's benefits. It's the real 
 deal. The whole 
   enchilada. You will fall deeper into the film.
   Notoriously reclusive, Mr. Lynch has come on stage to spread 
   Consciousness-Based Education with fall speaking tours to 
 universities on the East
   and West 
   coasts. I really think it will change the world, he 
 said. It's all 
   imagination.
   The Lynch Foundation, with assets of about $410,000, has 
awarded 
 so far 
   $25,000 each in seed money to seven schools, three public 
 charter schools, three 
   public schools and one private school for children with 
learning 
 disabilities, 
   all of which requested help. Only two of the charter schools 
 agreed to discuss 
   their meditation program publicly because the other five 
schools 
 were involved 
   in research studies related to T.M., the foundation said.
   We have not gotten so much yet, Mr. Lynch said. But there 
are 
 indications 
   that we are going to do really well.
   Several of the seven schools received matching grants from 
other 
 foundations 
   and philanthropists who partnered with the Lynch Foundation.
   He is going to revolutionize education in America, said Dr. 
 George H. 
   Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public Charter 
 School, an elementary
   and 
   middle school in Washington.
   Dr. Rutherford said that many foundations call to donate 
 computers, but what 
   he needs is Transcendental Meditation so that the students can 
 concentrate 
   better to use the equipment. T.M. helps to reduce the stress 
 that creates 
   problems, he said.
   A meditation component is written into Ideal's charter, which 
 was approved by 
   the Board of Education and the Charter Association, both in 
 Washington. 
   Researchers at the Maharishi University of Management in 
 Fairfield, Iowa, will 
   measure the effects.
   To train teachers and fifth- and sixth-grade students, Ideal 
 received $75,000 
   - $25,000 from the Lynch Foundation and a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Off topic? : recent trends that signal FF housing bubble

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Yes, you have succeeded to fill up the FFL list with 
exacting 'almost 
 anything', as the FFL home page encourages.  Why is the topic 
here?  
 Out on the street for a while I ask and talk to a lot of people 
who do 
 not read FFL anymore because of the reams of unrelated stuff like 
 this.  People would be more inclined to come here as a place if it 
 stuck to topic (FFL) a little more, but they tend not to look 
 anymore.  
 

 Can you bring this thread to Fairfield. ?


I think that one of the things that would happen if Akasha's 
scenario takes place would be that people would be out on the street 
across the country - can't afford rent, can't afford to buy, can't 
afford to run a car. Any rentals that work would soon turn to slums 
since landlords would squeeze as many of the now low paying renters 
into the houses as possible. Unemployment is high under Akasha's 
scenario also. So milliopns of people would suddenly not be able to 
live the life they are accustomed to . There would be not enough 
money from taxes to pay for the police and army, and the black hole 
of Iraq would suck up any excess. A break-down in law and order 
would occur and corruption among police and politicians would be 
rife. Under Akasha's scenario, not mine, The already millions of 
dirt poor immigrants in US would now have nothing, but would take 
the opportunity to re-organize themselves and become a volatile and 
unpredictable force within the breaking down society. If the US 
pulls out of Iraq before it is a stable dictatorship again, the 
middle east will meltdown and oil prices will skyrocket. All the 
people who have been moving to the East and West coasts of the US, 
raising the population there, would be in a 1930's depression-like 
situation. While the now depopulating midwest would suffer loss of 
income from farming and other business. Oil prices would stifle the 
midwest to some extent.
Next (under Akasha's scenario, not mine), the Chinese would make 
their move to start to buy or take over parts of the US based on the 
massive debt the US owes them. The US military would be in dissarray 
and corrupt due to lack of funding, and a better organised nation 
will have to take control someohow (directly or indirectly) of the 
dangerous US armeries. The greatest superpower on earth would have 
imploded.

However (under Akasha's scenario, not mine), the midwest would most 
likely be the least affected area since it is the least populated 
and those from the West and East coast, who could do so, would move 
to the Midwest in droves to escape the chaos elswhere. They would 
also make life-changing decisions and (under Akasha's scenario, not 
mine),  masses of them would move to Fairfield seeking a better way 
than before. Thus DIRECTLY impacting Fairfieldin a good way. 
Fairfielders would welcome them and they would learn the ways of the 
enlightened and house prices and business across the midwest would 
take off to be mecca that many east and west coasters would now seek.

This is the relevance to Fairfield that Akasha is trying to convey.

However, how many people here think that this scenario or a version 
of it will happen? 
If you think some of it will happen please pinpoint which aspects 
you think are feasible.

Personally , I am with you, it is not a good place on FFL to discuss 
in such great swaths of cut and paste articles the hypothetical 
housing bubble bust, nor the hypothetical bird flu disaster.

Off World





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF 'deeksha', Kalki cult, Chalanda Ma

2005-11-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 Has anyone here received deeksha from the Chalanda Sai
 Ma people? 

Yeah, its the same. Similar. A specific deeksha darshan to the brain 
and upper chakras of the subtle system.  Depends some on who is 
giving it.  

Chalanda Ma seems to be promoting it as something to learn in form 
to give in that it cultivates the subtle system of the giver as 
well.  Kalki seems to be holding the positioning it as something to 
pay (him) for.  Chalanda Ma seems to be empire building with touches 
of flash like this.  With either camp, then it is what you do with 
it in the subtle system to illumine the divine within otherwise.  TM 
may have started something, these additions are advancement and then 
for instance Ammachi's IAM technique is a packaged spiritual 
practice then to integrate the shakti juice that can be in the 
deeksha that Chalanda Ma or Kalki are formatting.  That is my 
experience with it.  Chalanda and Kalki seem to have quite a lot of 
ego with it that they make contingent.  Ammachi's is pretty open-
handed by comparison for instance.  That is also my experience with 
it. 

  


 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brahman
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feste37 wrote:
   
Actually, the people in Fairfield who give
  deeksha
don't charge for it. It's free for anyone who
  wants it,
although you can leave a donation if you want.
  There is
no pressure on anyone to give or to recruit. 
  
  Well, they do have the lingo down actually... 
  You'll be enlightened 
  and never need to do sadana anymore with enough
  deeksha.  Real sweet 
  and earnest people, are pretty
  vested and are going back for the next hit of
  darshan.
  
  
   
   i am curious how big of a following there is in
  fairfield
   now, taking this deeksha ... just a handful, or
  is it
   a growing trend now that TMO is faltering? Do they
  have
   their own Center in fairfield, for this Kalki
  deeksha thing?
   Or a website?
  
  Seems sort of like everyone is giving `deeksha'
  here.   Chalanda Sai 
  Ma saw Kalki giving deeksh some while ago so she
  thought `heck I can 
  do that as a modality' and started giving it and
  also then teaching 
  how to give `deeksha'.  There is a lot of 'energy
  work' here otherwise 
  of the similar modality.
  
  The irony is that one of the first weekends that the
  couple who were 
  back from India having learned it for thousands of
  dollars from Kalki, 
  the local Chalanda Ma devotees gave a weekend course
  in how to give 
  deeksha for 45 bucks to cover the cost..   In both
  cases it is sort of 
  a laying of hands on the head energy work in form.  
  From either the 
  Kalki people here or the Chalanda Ma people here it
  is nice.  Partly 
  it is nice because of the powerful room of spiritual
  practitioners who 
  will git together and be at these meetings.  It is a
  powerful 
  meditating group here.
  
  As far as money, the Chalanda Sai Ma and Kalki folks
  here skate a fine 
  line just to cover costs.  People here generally are
  weary (sensitive) 
  of the cult thing of raising money.  Also, a lot of
  the money that 
  used to be here just is not anymore. … Just us
  spiritual church mice 
  remain mostly.
  
  -Doug
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Off topic? : recent trends that signal FF housing bubble

2005-11-16 Thread akasha_108
Best of luck to you off, may you prosper in the current housing market
and may you get your massive hallucinations under control.

under Akasha's scenario, not mine --- hahahaha, good one.


 

 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  Can you bring this thread to Fairfield. ?
 
 
 I think that one of the things that would happen if Akasha's 
 scenario takes place would be that people would be out on the street 
 across the country - can't afford rent, can't afford to buy, can't 
 afford to run a car. Any rentals that work would soon turn to slums 
 since landlords would squeeze as many of the now low paying renters 
 into the houses as possible. Unemployment is high under Akasha's 
 scenario also. So milliopns of people would suddenly not be able to 
 live the life they are accustomed to . There would be not enough 
 money from taxes to pay for the police and army, and the black hole 
 of Iraq would suck up any excess. A break-down in law and order 
 would occur and corruption among police and politicians would be 
 rife. Under Akasha's scenario, not mine, The already millions of 
 dirt poor immigrants in US would now have nothing, but would take 
 the opportunity to re-organize themselves and become a volatile and 
 unpredictable force within the breaking down society. If the US 
 pulls out of Iraq before it is a stable dictatorship again, the 
 middle east will meltdown and oil prices will skyrocket. All the 
 people who have been moving to the East and West coasts of the US, 
 raising the population there, would be in a 1930's depression-like 
 situation. While the now depopulating midwest would suffer loss of 
 income from farming and other business. Oil prices would stifle the 
 midwest to some extent.
 Next (under Akasha's scenario, not mine), the Chinese would make 
 their move to start to buy or take over parts of the US based on the 
 massive debt the US owes them. The US military would be in dissarray 
 and corrupt due to lack of funding, and a better organised nation 
 will have to take control someohow (directly or indirectly) of the 
 dangerous US armeries. The greatest superpower on earth would have 
 imploded.
 
 However (under Akasha's scenario, not mine), the midwest would most 
 likely be the least affected area since it is the least populated 
 and those from the West and East coast, who could do so, would move 
 to the Midwest in droves to escape the chaos elswhere. They would 
 also make life-changing decisions and (under Akasha's scenario, not 
 mine),  masses of them would move to Fairfield seeking a better way 
 than before. Thus DIRECTLY impacting Fairfieldin a good way. 
 Fairfielders would welcome them and they would learn the ways of the 
 enlightened and house prices and business across the midwest would 
 take off to be mecca that many east and west coasters would now seek.
 
 This is the relevance to Fairfield that Akasha is trying to convey.
 
 However, how many people here think that this scenario or a version 
 of it will happen? 
 If you think some of it will happen please pinpoint which aspects 
 you think are feasible.
 
 Personally , I am with you, it is not a good place on FFL to discuss 
 in such great swaths of cut and paste articles the hypothetical 
 housing bubble bust, nor the hypothetical bird flu disaster.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal train wreck feared

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
On the cover of my local newspaper today (big city in a big 
state)
is the headline, Fiscal train wreck feared: Experts say 
lurking 
U.S. crisis may spur market plunge, pension losses, lower 
standard 
of living.
   
   Reported on CNN this afternoon as well, very
   gloomily.
  
  
  Yes, the news organizations thrive on conflict and failure. 
All of 
  this; the 'bird flu', and bad this and bad that, and be afraid 
of this 
  and be afraid of that, is so *incredibly* selective.
 snipped here
 
  I'm declaring it a massive conspiracy of muddy consciousness; 
the 
  hideousness of small minds.
 
 i agree that it is the hideousness of small minds but that doesn't
 mean that what is being said is not the real truth. these small 
minds
 have created this vast mess and don't seem the slightest bit
 interested in helping anyone except each other get out unscathed. 
 people in dire poverty are getting poorer while those with money 
stand
 by and add more money to their coffers.  what's small about that? 
 people who worked for 40 years and saved every possible penny find 
out
 their pension no longer exists. that's not small. 
 
 
 
  ourselves so often as powerless victims, as occupants of a 
large, 
  fearful cesspool, as 90% goners. 
  
  Not me. Not you. Not any of us.
 

Agreed. It seems my earlier remarks are being misinterpreted as a 
head in the sand/clouds mentality. Not true. Just observing that 
there appears to be a disconnect between the 'news' we focus on and 
reality. I am certainly not advocating ignoring the problems of the 
world, just remarking that what we are told and the consequent 
collective consciousness it creates are a product not only of 
concern, but of negative bias also.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, you can post this from a friend'

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
Some good advice in here for guru chasers. Better to just do it as 
much as possible on your own instead though. Or put another way, 
seek help as quietly and as subtly as possible. It avoids much of 
the confusion when the goal is reached.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *** Swami G has a website:  http://kundalinisupport.com/
 
 
 
 a timely offering
 on this ongoing subject)
 
 * Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comes
 back to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always,
 always or rarely granted?
 
 g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No
 --- the bond is broken . other situations are case by case 
 
 * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. I
 have all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talked
 out of it as I continue to ask you questions.
 
 G: while india may hold a lot of allure  it is Not the sole
 place where an authentic Guru may be found...
 
 
 * When you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference and
 degree of it according to circumstances. For example, Kalki
 Bhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are not
 full blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going on
 in his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it is
 much more powerful at the ashram.
 
 G: yes -
 
 * It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi's
 give the Diksha because if he did it, it would be too
 overpowering.
 
 G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just to lazy to
 take on that mantle ... therefore it is being taken over by
 others so he can put his energies elsewhere ...
 WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just to
 overpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ...
 sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as being
 anyway valid.
 
 * Would you give one of your disciples permission to take
 Diksha elsewhere?
 
 G: absolutely Not ...
 
 you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time...
 i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo the
 confusion that takes place when that happens  Before
 taking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path ..
 
 * What if one of your disciples took Darshan from mother
 Meera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you.
 
 G: Darshan is different than Diksha ..
 
 Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakening
 or stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a Commitment
 like getting married .. you don't go to the altar and enter 
into a
 marriage with more than one person at a time  Diksha is
 almost like getting married and yet it is even a deeper
 commitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to Guide
 you for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed . Why
 should Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with a
 sadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship .???.
 
 Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ?
 perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then you
 take the risk of picking up a disease .. so what is better ?
 to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one that
 cares for your welfare ???
 
 this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new college
 class.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Diksha
 and entering a path . oh it's just another type of learning
 and more is better ...
 
 No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalini
 path ...
 
 * Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then when
 the lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, I
 explained that I already have my meditation technique so I
 will do that instead.
 
 G: this would be the correct way to handle it ..
 
 * Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to part with a
 disciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for each
 Guru based on his style, to determine which punishment fits
 which crime (so to speak)?
 
 G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will either work with
 you -- or when the bond has been breached on Purpose then
 Why in the world does the Guru owe you anything ?
 
 Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair or
 running after prostitutes Why in the world should the wife
 continue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it is
 clear that this Trust has been broken .. this relationship has
 been severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions .
 
 Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an ego
 thing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on Commitment to
 aide you within your journey . the Guru is offering you the way
 to find the Pearl of Great Price  they are offering their 
time,
 expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizing
 influence , clarity which you yet do not posses .
 
 Now what are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Speaks on Blessings of the Devatas on Deva Prabhodini

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
Works for Me!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maharishi Speaks on Blessings of the Devatas on Deva Prabhodini
 
  
 
 (A transcript done by an American Purusha)
 
  
 2:18:15 minutes into the morning Puju on Deva Prabhodini (from 
Purusha CD)
 November 12, 2005
 Deva Prabhodini, Ekadashi
 Word- for ­word transcript
  
 
 
 Maharishi: ³Jai Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. All the rajas are 
listening? Yes?²
  
 Bevan:  yes, Maharishi.
  
 Maharishi: ³Now we have all the Devatas wake up and from their 
side they are
 coming together asking what we want.  So, we are telling them:  
³Please,
 from your level, you decide, and we want all that is possible for 
you to
 give.² 
  
 ³So, they seem to be coming to us through the window of the 
treasury of Raja
 Raam, the treasury of the Global Country of World Peace, and 
through the
 Finance Minister all the windows, the doors of he treasury¹s from 
all
 directions are now open and all the rajas are asking us what you 
want. And
 our request to them is:  how much you are satisfied with us, 
please give us
 your blessings, your parental role for us, at least in our globe, 
in our
 world, we want to see all our people peaceful, happy, fulfilled, 
integrated,
 fully enlightened, and in possession of all 
possibilitiesŠCreativity, which
 will be unlimited, unbounded, eternal, and ever-lasting. This is 
what our
 reply to the fully awakened, all the Devatas today.
  
 ³And that is the gift that hasŠit has been coming on from Guru 
Purnima,
 coming on from Guru Purnima... and now today it seems that the 
waking up of
 all the Devatas, devotani Ekadashi, waking up of the... all the 
Devatas, and
 the picture before us today is that the Ganges started drop by 
drop from
 Gangotri and it flowed and it flowed and it flowed, and now we see 
in the
 form of Ganga SagarŠ Ganga Sagara is the ocean of Ganga.
  
 ³At Gangotri it was a drop, and the drop became a flow, and the 
flow became
 unlimited ocean, silent and full of waves. So, today, the 
awakening of all
 the Devatas is such a great upsurge of our fortune with the 
fortune of all
 our dear world around, and we have done very, very well.
  
 ³And, as the Puja was, as the Puja was about to end, we say, a 
little before
 ending, we haveŠ just that expression in terms of wealth--  we 
used to have
 that expression:  ³through the window of science we see the dawn 
of the Age
 of Enlightenment. ³
  
 ³Now, the dawn has burst out into the Day, into the bright mid-day 
sun. So,
 it¹s a great upsurge of our fulfillment. It¹s very beautiful. It¹s 
very
 beautiful. 
  
 ³So, whatever the days are going to follow, they are going to be 
an open
 window of Kuber, open window of Raam, open window of all the 
Devatas:
 MahalakshmiŠunbounded, MahasaraswatiŠ unbounded, Durgamba, the 
power of
 creativityŠ unbounded, just unbounded, just unbounded.
  
 ³So with these blessings, the flow that stop, that started, now we 
see it
 was a drop by drop on Guru Purnima, but it was a full moon, but 
now we see
 that it was a full moon, and now we see full sunshine into the 
ocean of
 infinite affluence, Unbounded field of everything one could ever 
want.
  
 ³It¹s a great thing.  It¹s a very great thing we have been through 
today, a
 very great thing, and the Vedic Pandits have opened the door of 
all the
 Devatas and they have received the Devatas in their own language. 
So, then,
 each Devata has its own language.
  
 ³Very beautiful Puja, offering to the awakening of the Devatas one 
after
 another, and then, the Devata of the Devatas, MahaVishnu.  It is a 
very
 great blessing. So, we remain in this, and now we just meditate 
and mediate
 and have very good, full rest.
  
 ³In the mean time, we will have some showers of this awakening of 
all the
 Devatas in our conscious awareness to the whole west of our world, 
all
 these, they are making all the Devatas in Washington, and from 
Washington,
 further on, Dr. Hagelin is on the extreme end of the setting sun, 
he is in
 California,  probably that side.
  
 ³So, from India, to CaliforniaŠthe whole world, all the Devatas 
are awake,
 and what we have to do isŠ just fulfilled.  We feel fulfilled. No 
action
 hasŠ remains on our part.  The Devatas have blessed us with the 
fruit of all
 action.
  
 ³We have been talking ³yogasthah Kuru karmani.² It¹s realized 
today on this
 Ekadashi, Devotani Ekadashi, Devotani Ekadashi, the eleventh day 
of all the
 Devatas who have woken up. Really we are blessed
  
 ³And what we have to do? We have to be prepared to how to enjoy 
from all
 directions everywhere, everywhere. And from tomorrow we¹ll have 
all windows
 open for joy, joy, joy.²-Maharishi, Deva Prabhodini, a.m. Lecture







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/16/05 7:58 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From Wikipedia, on Y2K.
 
 In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor
 meltdowns or
 plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K
 errors
 encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
 disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the
 public
 largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-
 event.
 
 It was not an issue. A few computers may have blinked, with or
 without the intervention.

Sounds like an opinion to me. Can you back it up with facts or statements
from an authoritative source?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Off topic? : recent trends that signal FF housing bubble

2005-11-16 Thread akasha_108
dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:udio.

Hi doug,

I sense your broad frustration. That housing discussions is filling up
FFL may be a bit of an exageration. The recent thread has 18 posts.
Hardly competes with Ostrich Meat, and does not far exceed Would
You let Gates be Born or Home Recording Studio

But I agree, relevance to FF, or TMers lives, (here or there, or
anywhere) or spiritual matters are the most sought and appealing
topics on FFL. IMO, the potential housing bubble is relevant to
relevance to FF, and TMers lives. As I posted yesterday, it could have
a sizeable impact on mortgage rates (which will affect the salability
of FF housing), national employment and income (which will affect the
many FF business that have a national clientele) and potenital in and
out migration of FF. 

On the latter, as home prices in hot markets (West Coast, East Coast,
Florida, etc) and quite warm markets (many metro areas) -- people
throughout the country have the option to cash out and with the
proceeds could buy quite nice -- better tan they left, FF properties
in cash. And participate in what you have been nicely pointing out --
an ambiance and community is similar to Boulder, Ashville, etc -- but
in a smaller town context.
 
On the other hand, if the bubble deflates repidly (compared to 15-20
year slow swish) homes in many attractive (beach, mountain etc)
areas may be at 30-50% of current prices. At a percieved bottom. Many
who have cash in FF, may decide to venture out and buy at the bottom
of the market. And get some environmental ammenities they have not had
in FF. 

And a rapid bubble deflation could cause  some degree of disruption
and suffering (nothing of the scale of Off's scenarios). I always
thought compassion and assistance was part of the FF seva ethic --
perhaps not.

But I get your point. For whatever reasons, you and others percieve
the relativly small number of housing posts as filling up FFL. A
good scapegoat for the agreed demise of quality of FFL in the past
year, relative to its golden years.  

The current demise of quality of FFL relative to its golden years has
made me ponder. It may be time to move on. To find a group more in
synch with my interests. I may lurk occaisionally, but for reasons of
interest and time, I think I will moeve on.

FFL has been great. I have learned a lot. Best of Luck.   
 


 Yes, you have succeeded to fill up the FFL list with exacting
'almost  anything', as the FFL home page encourages.  Why is the topic
here?   Out on the street for a while I ask and talk to a lot of
people who do  not read FFL anymore because of the reams of unrelated
stuff like 
 this.  People would be more inclined to come here as a place if it 
 stuck to topic (FFL) a little more, but they tend not to look 
 anymore.  
 
 Can you bring this thread to Fairfield.  Like, is this disparity 
 between rents and mortgage payments why the TMO is converting its 
 properties to cash?  Or that some of the meditating community has
fled to other places and that some of the meditating community is
looking to move here as a place.  
 
 Is it a reason to dump real estate in FF?  Or buy.  What is the
trend in Fairfield?  Is the FF market unrelated local trend or national?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Off topic? : recent trends that signal FF housing bubble

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Best of luck to you off, may you prosper in the current housing 
market and may you get your massive hallucinations under control.


And I wholeheartedly and warmly wish the same to you ;-)

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[FairfieldLife] ANOTHER POST- ANONYMOUS

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Archer
never say never! Rasa quizzing the great swami
again!

g: what *great* swami ?

www.womanthouartgod.com

greetings swami g!

greetings and Namaste -

* I had a dream the day of creating that group.
(tasting sugar) god appeared to me as ultimate
prosperity and success. it was Arnold and
wife Maria representing this. a feast had been
created and I brought all the 'elements' or fruit
and gifts in a basket.
Arnold told me 'enough' but I quickly brought even
more. they were many fruits, and he topped them
with whipped cream.
I also walked with Maria and I put my arm around
her, touching her shoulder and caressing her
arm from shoulder to elbow.(this is a special
service I perform for mother god, the mission) we
were such good loving friends!
(this part of the dream represents my life's work,
offerings, which god now anoints. and these are to
be handed out to a group at the feast, in bowls)
later Arnold went somewhere and I followed him. I
asked for him and they told me he had entered this
church. I went into it seeking him, but could not
find him. (I could not find him because I was one with
him. he in me, me in him) then holy communion was
ready. I went to the altar and a lay person, a
female, was handing it out. it was made of whole
grain and it was two communions melted into one.
(god and me) as I received this holy communion, I
was amazed that it was covered with sugar!
(the sugar represents tasting god or a state of
duality...but since two communions are one, we are
also one. one and indivisible like the
trinity)
I instantly thought, upon awakening, of
Ramakrishna. (this dream represents incredible
prosperity and success in relation to my life, to
the articles of yours I had put on my site that day,
and to my spiritual state. my closeness to Maria is
my work for matriarchy just getting going. it also
portended, in another part of the dream, great
financial wealth. I left out many details, but
lately, since starting work on matriarchy, god has
appeared to me in this way many times - saying I am
especially chosen for this mission and there will
be prosperity/ success on all levels.)

g: well you certainly have vivid dreams..

* now about where you are and where I am, swami
g.
the interviews I did of you are gaining a new
resurgence. now that I have them on the site and
elsewhere yes, people are asking about you.

g: don't know what they are asking about as none have
contacted here.

* they are fascinated by you as you are on a level
that is in the stratosphere.

g: no am simply in the natural state of realization 

* I have no idea where you are, exactly, in the way
you describe it, but I am learning. the group formed
is a place where myself and others will engage you
in respectful questions in the hope of learning.

g: it isn't a matter of learning  realization is nothing one can
get by way of intellectual discussion. one rather goes within
through the layers of consciousness until there is nothing left
which covers the ever present reality 

* your teaching is so advanced that one has to
really concentrate on it. it is not easy.

g: on the contrary it is quite natural. this is why when heard
it moves the heart and mind . because it will resonate as
truth - why ? simply since there is only one divine essence
of being and this is what you are minus the covering of mind
with attachments to form (termed ego).

* I noticed that people are afraid of you. why?
they are afraid because you are so beyond them
that they cannot hope of standing in a matched
conversation, and so, they remain silent.

g: there is no being beyond  how can one be beyond when
each have the same essential self  the mind of duality sees
levels of higher and lower . that myth ends in realization 


* it is hard to be humble.

g: what is humility ? humility is a state and mindset of again
higher and lower . humility or arrogance come out of a
skewed view .

* people want to be equal or dominate a
conversation, so they remain silent rather than
have you show them up.

g: there is nothing to show up - many may feel put upon ---
or will have buttons pushed .. why ? because there are yet
conditionings in place and attachments to mind and belief
systems in place  when mental attachments are in place then
up come the emotions - eventually rather than attempting to
fight others or run away from what is taking place there is a
stopping and simply encountering what is rising . this then
gets questioned and the roots are cut .. sat guru's have
many times a tendency to be a mirror that people can not run
away from ... it isn't always easy to see what one has been
attempting to overcome or run away from or put behind them.
whatever is given is given out of compassion as one that is
realized knows that suffering can be transcended  that each
is free and unfortunately most are creating and sustaining their
suffering out of ignorance .

* I am encouraging 

[FairfieldLife] HOG LOT

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Archer
Title: HOG LOT





JFAN has been very active over the last month. As you may know, we have approved four grants in the Jefferson County community, three to help in the legal fight against the intrusive and harmful effects of hog factories (CAFOs) and one to encourage sustainable, non-intrusive farming practices in Jefferson County. We are now in the process of raising additional money to fund these grants and others.

One grant is to the Dick Simmons family. Dick is retired and was on the Jefferson County Board of Supervisors for many years. Unfortunately, he is now battling cancer. His son Tim, who is fighting in Iraq, lives even closer to the CAFO. Without any warning, they have watched as a CAFO was constructed within a stones throw of their homes and they are devastated. Their homes could be seriously devalued and they will be subjected to all the detriments of the hog confinement. 
 
We need to help our neighborsand ourselves! Wont you please consider contributing $50.00 to $100.00. Naturally, you can do more if you wish, or you may need to contribute less due to personal circumstances. But it is essential that everyone becomes involved.

You can make your donation to:
Jefferson County Farmers and Neighbors, Inc.
PO Box 811
Fairfield, IA 52556
 
The threat of hog factories is not a distant thought but something that needs to be acted on now. More CAFOs are being planned in Jefferson County. We do not want to become like our neighbor, Davis County. In 1997, they were promised only 20 CAFOs would be built, but within 3 years, over 80 were constructed and now they have 1 million hogs! 
 
There are dozens of reasons why it may not be the right time to give  but there is one big reason to contribute  your health and happiness.

We hate to put it this way, but if you dont do anything, then you have to assume nothing will be done. We all know what that would mean to our cherished community.

We wish we could call you directly, but all of us involved in JFAN are volunteers and time does not allow for that. If you have any questions, please contact me.

Best wishes for a healthy future.

Robert Swanson
JFAN Officer and Board Member 641-209-6600
PS We need to educate the public about the detrimental impact of CAFOs and encourage sustainable agriculture. You can learn more about JFANs activities in these areas on our website, www.jfaniowa.org.






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[FairfieldLife] Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Diksha report from Texas





Friday night was very powerful. FIrst a chakra meditation is done. It's 
on a CD so it is just played. It alone is quite transformational. I 
experience it as more powerful than Amma's meditation. There is the 
chanting of each chakra sound included.

Then group diksha. I thought I probably wouldn't feel it. They just sat 
at the front and generated diksha for everyone mentally. I felt it. I 
felt huge shifts in my physiology. 

Then diksha by each guy. First William and then Steve. I think the amount 
of people there make a difference. There were so many people. This time I 
wouldn't say that it was blissfulit was physiologicallly 
transformational. I felt so many shifts in my body on so many levels. 
After the second diksha I just kind of melted and slithered down onto the 
floor. They recommend resting 15 to 30 minutes afterwards. Then I went 
downstairs and sat around and chatted with some friends and i could feel my 
heart chakra purifying a lot. That night I woke up with my heart chakra 
feeling like it was in a stainless steel vice. Did some sedona and other 
work around it and it released. For a few days I felt a level of being 
grounded into the earth like I have never ever been. 

I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was about opening 
the crown chakra. I don't believe this is the case. I think the 
meditation prior to the diksha does that. The 'diksha giver', I believe, 
only pours God Energy into the already opened crown.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
 That night I woke up with my heart chakra
 feeling like it was in a stainless steel vice.  Did some
  sedona and other work around it and it released. 

One can also find relief by reading the taos.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Peter



Or by being utterly present with it with no avoidance of the experience in the slightest.Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   That night I woke up with my heart chakra feeling like it was in a stainless steel vice.  Did some  sedona and other work around it and it released. One can also find relief by reading the taos. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click
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[FairfieldLife] Intelligent design, prajapatis, rishis, humans, time

2005-11-16 Thread hanumanhoffman9
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY

2005-11-16 Thread Jason Spock



Has anyone busted his circuits doing "Yogic-flying" or" Yogic-bouncing".??From: "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:31:39 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMYAmma also cautions against
 intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this? None that I've heard about. Maybe its the three cycles of long, medium and short that make it easier on the body.  To classify Sudarshan Kriya as 'hyperventilation' is a mischaracterisation. Is fast pranayam hyperventilation too? JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: HOG LOT

2005-11-16 Thread shempmcgurk
This is one of the reasons we should have normalized relations with 
Cuba.

Cubans just love their pork: Pork with rice, pulled pork and beans, 
Cuban pork sandwiches, just about porco con everything imaginable.

At an average nationwide salary of $20.00/month, Cubans would not 
mind to have the smell, disease, and general overall discomfort of 
living in proximity to pig farms if we Americans could ante-up, say, 
an extra $5.00 or $10.00 a month premium to any and all Cubans who 
would have to live near or work at a pig farm.

Virtually all U.S. pig farms (or at least those that would endanger 
lives, housing values or standards of living, such as the ones being 
contemplated for Jefferson County) could be relocated to the Island 
of Cuba (of course, there should be a 100-mile buffer zone between 
any pig farm and Guantanamo Bay...we don't want either our soldiers 
or our non-pork-eating Al-Quada prisoners put out).

A side-benefit to our pig-removal? Peace!  Better relations between 
the Commies and ourselves!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 JFAN has been very active over the last month. As you may know, we 
have
 approved four grants in the Jefferson County community, three to 
help in the
 legal fight against the intrusive and harmful effects of hog 
factories
 (CAFOs) and one to encourage sustainable, non-intrusive farming 
practices in
 Jefferson County. We are now in the process of raising additional 
money to
 fund these grants and others.
   
 One grant is to the Dick Simmons family. Dick is retired and was 
on the
 Jefferson County Board of Supervisors for many years.  
Unfortunately, he is
 now battling cancer. His son Tim, who is fighting in Iraq, lives 
even closer
 to the CAFO.  Without any warning, they have watched as a CAFO was
 constructed within a stone¹s throw of their homes and they are 
devastated.
 Their homes could be seriously devalued and they will be subjected 
to all
 the detriments of the hog confinement.
  
 We need to help our neighbors‹and ourselves! Won¹t you please 
consider
 contributing $50.00 to $100.00. Naturally, you can do more if you 
wish, or
 you may need to contribute less due to personal circumstances.  
But it is
 essential that everyone becomes involved.
  
 You can make your donation to:
 Jefferson County Farmers and Neighbors, Inc.
 PO Box 811
 Fairfield, IA  52556
  
 The threat of hog factories is not a distant thought but something 
that
 needs to be acted on now. More CAFOs are being planned in 
Jefferson County.
 We do not want to become like our neighbor, Davis County. In 1997, 
they were
 promised only 20 CAFOs would be built, but within 3 years, over 80 
were
 constructed and now they have 1 million hogs!
  
 There are dozens of reasons why it may not be the right time to 
give ­ but
 there is one big reason to contribute ­ your health and happiness.
  
 We hate to put it this way, but if you don¹t do anything, then you 
have to
 assume nothing will be done. We all know what that would mean to 
our
 cherished community.
  
  We wish we could call you directly, but all of us involved in 
JFAN are
 volunteers and time does not allow for that. If you have any 
questions,
 please contact me.
  
 Best wishes for a healthy future.
  
 Robert Swanson
 JFAN Officer and Board Member641-209-6600
 PS  We need to educate the public about the detrimental impact of 
CAFOs and
 encourage sustainable agriculture.  You can learn more about JFAN¹s
 activities in these areas on our website, www.jfaniowa.org.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 11/16/05 11:47:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Or by 
  being utterly present with it with no avoidance of the experience in the 
  slightest.Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
   
That night I woke up with my heart chakra feeling like it was in a 
stainless steel vice. Did some sedona and other work around it and 
it released. 

Might check with a cardiologist on that vice like 
pressure.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HOG LOT

2005-11-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 11/16/05 12:25:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A 
  side-benefit to our pig-removal? Peace! Better relations between the 
  Commies and ourselves!

Or we can have pig farming in Mexico and create some jobs down 
there so they don't come here.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:

snip
I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was about  opening
the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think the
meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I believe,
only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.

  

That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly former 
meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am 
speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the group 
in question does.

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[FairfieldLife] Press Conference with MMY - More money!

2005-11-16 Thread Ingegerd
Global Country of World Peace -- NEWSFLASH for Great Britain 

***
SUBJECT: Establishing World Peace through the eradication of global 
poverty


Global Country of World Peace 

- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -


Maharishi Vedic City
Office of Communications

2000 Capital Blvd., Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa 52556 . 641-470-1344

Press Release

Maharishi Vedic City's City Council
Resolves to Establish Permanent World Peace
through the Eradication of Global Poverty

Calls on Top Ten World Banks to Lend Funds for
Organic Agricultural Projects in Developing Countries

Maharishi Vedic City's City Council unanimously passed a resolution 
today
to establish permanent world peace through the eradication of global
poverty. The City Council pledged to work with other governments,
non-profit organisations, and large banks around the world to 
establish
agricultural projects on 250 million acres of unused agricultural 
land in
developing countries.

Local poor people will be hired at good wages to farm the lands, and
housing and schools will also be provided for them, according to Dr. 
Bob
Wynne, the Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City.

The start-up costs for this project to permanently eradicate poverty 
in
the world are estimated to be only $100 billion over a 2 to 3 year 
period
of time, and then to be self-sufficient after that.

Dr. Wynne said the need is urgent-and the solution is available.

According to the United Nations Human Development Report 2005, 1.2 
billion
people in the world live in extreme poverty earning less than $1 per 
day.
And according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture 
Organisation,
there are 40 developing countries alone that have more than 2.5 
billion
acres of unutilised land with agricultural potential.

As long as extreme poverty exists in the world, then individual 
peace and
individual health, which is the basis of world peace, will be 
impossible
to attain, Dr. Wynne said. Fortunately, the government of Maharishi
Vedic City is dedicated to, and has the technologies and approaches 
that
can establish the basis for permanent world peace.








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[FairfieldLife] The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread Blue Star



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
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 http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
 

Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look like dudes from some 
rock band? Also, according to this website, there are so few AM's 
(which would make sense via the rock star premise: drums, vocals, 
guitars --bass, lead and rhythm--, keyboard, backing vocals, horn 
section, percussion, asst. roadies --although would AMs consent to be 
roadies???--, producer, band manager...)  





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread Paula Youmans










Haha, thats funny!



My first thought was, Why do all of
these people look like a bunch of white guysI mean, even the chicks?!?















Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look
like dudes from some 
rock band? Also, according to this website, there
are so few AM's 
(which would make sense via the rock star premise:
drums, vocals, 
guitars --bass, lead and rhythm--, keyboard,
backing vocals, horn 
section, percussion, asst. roadies --although
would AMs consent to be 
roadies???--, producer, band manager...) 














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[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Conference with MMY - More money!

2005-11-16 Thread shempmcgurk
...and for an extra $20-30 billion, there will be free beer flowing 
from every faucet and water fountain...




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 Global Country of World Peace -- NEWSFLASH for Great Britain 
 
 ***
 SUBJECT: Establishing World Peace through the eradication of 
global 
 poverty
 
 
 Global Country of World Peace 
 
 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -
 
 
 Maharishi Vedic City
 Office of Communications
 
 2000 Capital Blvd., Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa 52556 . 641-470-1344
 
 Press Release
 
 Maharishi Vedic City's City Council
 Resolves to Establish Permanent World Peace
 through the Eradication of Global Poverty
 
 Calls on Top Ten World Banks to Lend Funds for
 Organic Agricultural Projects in Developing Countries
 
 Maharishi Vedic City's City Council unanimously passed a 
resolution 
 today
 to establish permanent world peace through the eradication of 
global
 poverty. The City Council pledged to work with other governments,
 non-profit organisations, and large banks around the world to 
 establish
 agricultural projects on 250 million acres of unused agricultural 
 land in
 developing countries.
 
 Local poor people will be hired at good wages to farm the lands, 
and
 housing and schools will also be provided for them, according to 
Dr. 
 Bob
 Wynne, the Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City.
 
 The start-up costs for this project to permanently eradicate 
poverty 
 in
 the world are estimated to be only $100 billion over a 2 to 3 year 
 period
 of time, and then to be self-sufficient after that.
 
 Dr. Wynne said the need is urgent-and the solution is available.
 
 According to the United Nations Human Development Report 2005, 1.2 
 billion
 people in the world live in extreme poverty earning less than $1 
per 
 day.
 And according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture 
 Organisation,
 there are 40 developing countries alone that have more than 2.5 
 billion
 acres of unutilised land with agricultural potential.
 
 As long as extreme poverty exists in the world, then individual 
 peace and
 individual health, which is the basis of world peace, will be 
 impossible
 to attain, Dr. Wynne said. Fortunately, the government of 
Maharishi
 Vedic City is dedicated to, and has the technologies and 
approaches 
 that
 can establish the basis for permanent world peace.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Conference with MMY - More money!

2005-11-16 Thread shempmcgurk
If this were the Miss American Pagent, this press release would be a 
great answer to the question: Miss Delaware, what would you do in 
order to bring about World Peace?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
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 Global Country of World Peace -- NEWSFLASH for Great Britain 
 
 ***
 SUBJECT: Establishing World Peace through the eradication of 
global 
 poverty
 
 
 Global Country of World Peace 
 
 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -
 
 
 Maharishi Vedic City
 Office of Communications
 
 2000 Capital Blvd., Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa 52556 . 641-470-1344
 
 Press Release
 
 Maharishi Vedic City's City Council
 Resolves to Establish Permanent World Peace
 through the Eradication of Global Poverty
 
 Calls on Top Ten World Banks to Lend Funds for
 Organic Agricultural Projects in Developing Countries
 
 Maharishi Vedic City's City Council unanimously passed a 
resolution 
 today
 to establish permanent world peace through the eradication of 
global
 poverty. The City Council pledged to work with other governments,
 non-profit organisations, and large banks around the world to 
 establish
 agricultural projects on 250 million acres of unused agricultural 
 land in
 developing countries.
 
 Local poor people will be hired at good wages to farm the lands, 
and
 housing and schools will also be provided for them, according to 
Dr. 
 Bob
 Wynne, the Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City.
 
 The start-up costs for this project to permanently eradicate 
poverty 
 in
 the world are estimated to be only $100 billion over a 2 to 3 year 
 period
 of time, and then to be self-sufficient after that.
 
 Dr. Wynne said the need is urgent-and the solution is available.
 
 According to the United Nations Human Development Report 2005, 1.2 
 billion
 people in the world live in extreme poverty earning less than $1 
per 
 day.
 And according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture 
 Organisation,
 there are 40 developing countries alone that have more than 2.5 
 billion
 acres of unutilised land with agricultural potential.
 
 As long as extreme poverty exists in the world, then individual 
 peace and
 individual health, which is the basis of world peace, will be 
 impossible
 to attain, Dr. Wynne said. Fortunately, the government of 
Maharishi
 Vedic City is dedicated to, and has the technologies and 
approaches 
 that
 can establish the basis for permanent world peace.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread feste37
It's the headline in Global Good News that's misleading. The article  itself is 
clearly a report ABOUT the NYT article. That's quite different. Of 
course they've mentioned the good bits and omitted the so-so bits. There's 
nothing wrong in that.  But the headline shouldn't have been chosen to  make 
it appear that it was a reprinted article from the NY Times. Perhaps  this was 
just incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead, since the 
article itself clearly indicates that it is GGN's report about the NYT article, 
not 
the article itself. 


FROM GLOBAL GOOD NEWS
Earth's future peacemakers just need a little TM
by Lily Koppel
The New York Times    Translate This Article
14 November 2005
On 14 November 2005 The New York Times reported: Filmmaker David 
Lynch is raising money to make the Transcendental Meditation Programme 
available to students from first grade through college. New York Times 
reporter Lily Koppel said that Lynch wants to make the simple mental 
technique 'a standard in every student's curriculum'. It is a joy for Global 
Good 
News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-
supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field 
of world-peace. 
Although often described as 'notoriously reclusive', Lynch has stepped into 
the public spotlight by founding the David Lynch Foundation for 
Consciousness-Based Education and has embarked on a speaking tour to 
universities on the East and West Coasts. His goal is clear: 'I really think it 
will 
change the world,' Lynch was quoted as saying. 
The article said that the Lynch Foundation currently has assets of about 
$410,000. To date seven schools have each been awarded $25,000 in seed 
money to begin programmes using the TM Technique. Two of the charter 
schools discussed their programmes with the New York Times reporter. 
Dr George H. Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public Charter 
School, an elementary and middle school in Washington, DC, said of Lynch, 
'He is going to revolutionize education in America.' 
Dr Rutherford said that while other foundations tend to focus on providing 
learning tools (such as computers) to students, the Transcendental Meditation 
Programme helps develop the students themselves. 'TM helps to reduce the 
stress that creates problems,' he was quoted as saying. 
Researchers at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, will 
measure the effects of the meditation programme on students. 
A second school to receive a $25,000 grant from the Lynch Foundation was 
the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, a public charter school, which 
previously received TM financing from the DaimlerChrysler Corporation Fund 
and the General Motors Foundation. 
According to the article, Nataki seventh- and eighth-grade students who 
worked as a non-meditating control group in a 2002 study, tracking the 
'social-emotional competencies' of the meditating students, now want to 
experience what their peers had. 
In addition, Koppel reported, the Lynch Foundation is partnering with other 
philanthropists to grant another $25,000 each to the University of Michigan, 
Yale, Emerson College and other colleges to help teach students TM. The 
foundation is also partnering to support an American University study on TM 
and college students. 

Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality of life 
dawning in the world and highlights the need for introducing Natural Law 
based—Total Knowledge based—programmes to bring the support of Nature 
to every individual, raise the quality of life of every society, and create a 
lasting state of world peace.

Copyright © 2005 Global Good News(sm) Service. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Jeez, so much for their credibility. Really, they don't need to do 
 this kind of stuff.  What are they thinking when they do it?  It is 
 sucho blatantly dishonest thinking.  Who would actually take the 
 time to edit like this and think they were going to pull something 
 over?  Bobby?  Mario?  Craig?  Ken?  They do TMO PR, is it their 
 thinking and hands on it? This is just really bad.  Shame on them 
 folks that they would think like that and do it.  It is so twisted. 
 Is it such a cult?  Evidently.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  In a typical move, Global Good News has simulated a reprint of 
 this 
  article from the NYT, but all negative news has been deleted -- 
  specifically, the inconclusive research on TM at the U of Michigan 
  noted in paragraph 19, and the student who was interested in 
  learning TM only until he found out it costs $2500 (next-to-last 
  paragraph in original NYT article):
  
  http://tinyurl.com/89ykj
  
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   


[FairfieldLife] Chalanda Sai Ma pics - Colorado

2005-11-16 Thread tanhlnx
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick Archer wrote:
 
 snip
 I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
about  opening
 the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think the
 meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I 
believe,
 only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.
 
   
 
 That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 
former 
 meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am 
 speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the 
group 
 in question does.
 
 - Bhairitu


This is the second time I have read about energy being poured *in* 
to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy is 
pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread Bhairitu
jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Rick Archer wrote:



snip
I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
  

about  opening
  

the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think the
meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', I 
  

believe,
  

only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.

 

  

That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 


former 
  

meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I am 
speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what the 


group 
  

in question does.

- Bhairitu




This is the second time I have read about energy being poured *in* 
to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy is 
pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 

  

Yes, but we're talking about someone who hasn't been sitting on their 
butt meditating for years like you. :)




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[FairfieldLife] This explanes it

2005-11-16 Thread johnlasher20002000
THEORY OF DUMB DESIGN MAY EXPLAIN PAT 

ROBERTSON

Televangelist's Brain, Mouth Elude Other Theories, Experts Say

Out of the controversial debate pitting the theory of evolution
against the theory of intelligent design has emerged a new theory,
dumb design, which some experts believe may explain the televangelist
Pat Robertson. 

The theory of dumb design holds that human beings were designed by a
superior being, but one who mysteriously designed certain humans in a
particularly dumb way. 

Enter Rev. Robertson, whom many experts in the theory of dumb design
are calling Exhibit A in their effort to prove that the theory holds
water. 

If you take a look at Pat Robertson's brain and mouth, and how they
work or do not work in concert, you have a fairly persuasive argument
that the theory of dumb design is valid, said Dr. Davis Logsdon of
the University of Minnesota, one of the leading advocates of the dumb
design theory. 

The theory of dumb design began to gain traction in August, when Rev.
Robertson called upon the U.S. to assassinate Venezuelan president
Hugo Chavez. 

And last week, when Rev. Robertson warned the people of Dover,
Pennsylvania, that God would strike them with natural disasters after
they removed school board members who favored teaching creationism,
the theory of dumb design seemed to achieve critical mass. 

But even an adherent of dumb design like Dr. Logsdon warns against
putting too much stock in the theory, adding, No one theory could
possible explain all the things Pat Robertson says. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread johnlasher20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
 
  
 
   
 http://www.theascendedmasters.com/


Ask (yoga sutras) in My name'(Transcendence) said Christ Jesus, 'and
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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's the headline in Global Good News that's misleading. The 
article  itself is 
 clearly a report ABOUT the NYT article. That's quite different. Of 
 course they've mentioned the good bits and omitted the so-so bits. 
There's 
 nothing wrong in that.  But the headline shouldn't have been 
chosen to  make 
 it appear that it was a reprinted article from the NY Times. 
Perhaps  this was 
 just incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead, 
since the 
 article itself clearly indicates that it is GGN's report about the 
NYT article, not 
 the article itself. 
 

*

Nevertheless, I don't like this stuff at all, because it is not 
useful for the TMO. Everybody who read the NYT article, a much 
larger audience than GGN, saw that there were problems, like the 
student who backed off because of the too-high instruction fee for  
TM. So what this amounts too is one TMer telling the rest of the 
choir that everything is coming up roses, but it ain't. There are 
TMers who read GGN and won't go to the NYT article, and may think 
that it accurately reflects the article -- this head in the sand 
approach can't be useful, and I doubt if the NYT editors like this 
stuff, either, because it amounts to altering the article to fit an 
agenda. If you're going to have a NYT headline, you should 
accurately reflect the content, or at least have a hot link to the 
article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html


Bob Brigante
http://geocities.com/bbrigante



 
 FROM GLOBAL GOOD NEWS
 Earth's future peacemakers just need a little TM
 by Lily Koppel
 The New York Times    Translate This Article
 14 November 2005
 On 14 November 2005 The New York Times reported: Filmmaker David 
 Lynch is raising money to make the Transcendental Meditation 
Programme 
 available to students from first grade through college. New York 
Times 
 reporter Lily Koppel said that Lynch wants to make the simple 
mental 
 technique 'a standard in every student's curriculum'. It is a joy 
for Global Good 
 News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of 
the life-
 supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment 
to the field 
 of world-peace. 
 Although often described as 'notoriously reclusive', Lynch has 
stepped into 
 the public spotlight by founding the David Lynch Foundation for 
 Consciousness-Based Education and has embarked on a speaking tour 
to 
 universities on the East and West Coasts. His goal is clear: 'I 
really think it will 
 change the world,' Lynch was quoted as saying. 
 The article said that the Lynch Foundation currently has assets of 
about 
 $410,000. To date seven schools have each been awarded $25,000 in 
seed 
 money to begin programmes using the TM Technique. Two of the 
charter 
 schools discussed their programmes with the New York Times 
reporter. 
 Dr George H. Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public 
Charter 
 School, an elementary and middle school in Washington, DC, said of 
Lynch, 
 'He is going to revolutionize education in America.' 
 Dr Rutherford said that while other foundations tend to focus on 
providing 
 learning tools (such as computers) to students, the Transcendental 
Meditation 
 Programme helps develop the students themselves. 'TM helps to 
reduce the 
 stress that creates problems,' he was quoted as saying. 
 Researchers at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, 
Iowa, will 
 measure the effects of the meditation programme on students. 
 A second school to receive a $25,000 grant from the Lynch 
Foundation was 
 the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, a public charter 
school, which 
 previously received TM financing from the DaimlerChrysler 
Corporation Fund 
 and the General Motors Foundation. 
 According to the article, Nataki seventh- and eighth-grade 
students who 
 worked as a non-meditating control group in a 2002 study, tracking 
the 
 'social-emotional competencies' of the meditating students, now 
want to 
 experience what their peers had. 
 In addition, Koppel reported, the Lynch Foundation is partnering 
with other 
 philanthropists to grant another $25,000 each to the University of 
Michigan, 
 Yale, Emerson College and other colleges to help teach students 
TM. The 
 foundation is also partnering to support an American University 
study on TM 
 and college students. 
 
 Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality 
of life 
 dawning in the world and highlights the need for introducing 
Natural Law 
 based—Total Knowledge based—programmes to bring the support of 
Nature 
 to every individual, raise the quality of life of every society, 
and create a 
 lasting state of world peace.
 
 Copyright © 2005 Global Good News(sm) Service. 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Jeez, so much for their credibility. Really, they don't need to 
do 
  this kind of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
 
  
 
   
 http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
 


They are scary looking.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
  
   
  

  http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
  
 
 Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look like dudes from 
some  rock band? .


Lol. It is like  Baywatch without the chics.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
   

   
 
   http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
   
  
  Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look like dudes 
from 
 some  rock band? .
 
 
 Lol. It is like  Baywatch without the chics.
 
 OffWorld


Like, totally...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha report from Texas

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 jim_flanegin wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
 
 Rick Archer wrote:
 
 
 
 snip
 I wanted to comment to the person on FFL that said this was 
   
 
 about  opening
   
 
 the crown chakra.  I don't believe this is the case.   I think 
the
 meditation prior to the diksha does that.  The 'diksha  giver', 
I 
   
 
 believe,
   
 
 only pours God Energy into the already opened  crown.
 
  
 
   
 
 That would depend on the individual.  Some people (particularly 
 
 
 former 
   
 
 meditators) may already have the crown chakra open.  However I 
am 
 speaking from what I know about giving shaktipat and not what 
the 
 
 
 group 
   
 
 in question does.
 
 - Bhairitu
 
 
 
 
 This is the second time I have read about energy being poured 
*in* 
 to an opened crown. My experience with this has always been the 
 opposite, and outwards, as if a fountain of golden light energy 
is 
 pouring out of the crown of my head, accompanied by strong bliss. 
 Sort of like a geyser. Radiation vs inundation. 
 
   
 
 Yes, but we're talking about someone who hasn't been sitting on 
their 
 butt meditating for years like you. :)


Really? OK. Is that what accounts for the difference in how the 
experience is perceived? I honestly don't know. Can anyone here 
comment on the two experiences, 'innie' vs 'outie'?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread feste37
Yes, I agree with you here. And I find it depressing to think that Lynch, a 
high-
profile character who can get the attention of young people, then has to watch 
all the interest dissipate when the fee is mentioned.  I would set if for 
students 
at about $300-400. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  It's the headline in Global Good News that's misleading. The 
 article  itself is 
  clearly a report ABOUT the NYT article. That's quite different. Of 
  course they've mentioned the good bits and omitted the so-so bits. 
 There's 
  nothing wrong in that.  But the headline shouldn't have been 
 chosen to  make 
  it appear that it was a reprinted article from the NY Times. 
 Perhaps  this was 
  just incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead, 
 since the 
  article itself clearly indicates that it is GGN's report about the 
 NYT article, not 
  the article itself. 
  
 
 *
 
 Nevertheless, I don't like this stuff at all, because it is not 
 useful for the TMO. Everybody who read the NYT article, a much 
 larger audience than GGN, saw that there were problems, like the 
 student who backed off because of the too-high instruction fee for  
 TM. So what this amounts too is one TMer telling the rest of the 
 choir that everything is coming up roses, but it ain't. There are 
 TMers who read GGN and won't go to the NYT article, and may think 
 that it accurately reflects the article -- this head in the sand 
 approach can't be useful, and I doubt if the NYT editors like this 
 stuff, either, because it amounts to altering the article to fit an 
 agenda. If you're going to have a NYT headline, you should 
 accurately reflect the content, or at least have a hot link to the 
 article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html
 
 
 Bob Brigante
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante
 
 
 
  
  FROM GLOBAL GOOD NEWS
  Earth's future peacemakers just need a little TM
  by Lily Koppel
  The New York Times    Translate This Article
  14 November 2005
  On 14 November 2005 The New York Times reported: Filmmaker David 
  Lynch is raising money to make the Transcendental Meditation 
 Programme 
  available to students from first grade through college. New York 
 Times 
  reporter Lily Koppel said that Lynch wants to make the simple 
 mental 
  technique 'a standard in every student's curriculum'. It is a joy 
 for Global Good 
  News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of 
 the life-
  supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment 
 to the field 
  of world-peace. 
  Although often described as 'notoriously reclusive', Lynch has 
 stepped into 
  the public spotlight by founding the David Lynch Foundation for 
  Consciousness-Based Education and has embarked on a speaking tour 
 to 
  universities on the East and West Coasts. His goal is clear: 'I 
 really think it will 
  change the world,' Lynch was quoted as saying. 
  The article said that the Lynch Foundation currently has assets of 
 about 
  $410,000. To date seven schools have each been awarded $25,000 in 
 seed 
  money to begin programmes using the TM Technique. Two of the 
 charter 
  schools discussed their programmes with the New York Times 
 reporter. 
  Dr George H. Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public 
 Charter 
  School, an elementary and middle school in Washington, DC, said of 
 Lynch, 
  'He is going to revolutionize education in America.' 
  Dr Rutherford said that while other foundations tend to focus on 
 providing 
  learning tools (such as computers) to students, the Transcendental 
 Meditation 
  Programme helps develop the students themselves. 'TM helps to 
 reduce the 
  stress that creates problems,' he was quoted as saying. 
  Researchers at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, 
 Iowa, will 
  measure the effects of the meditation programme on students. 
  A second school to receive a $25,000 grant from the Lynch 
 Foundation was 
  the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, a public charter 
 school, which 
  previously received TM financing from the DaimlerChrysler 
 Corporation Fund 
  and the General Motors Foundation. 
  According to the article, Nataki seventh- and eighth-grade 
 students who 
  worked as a non-meditating control group in a 2002 study, tracking 
 the 
  'social-emotional competencies' of the meditating students, now 
 want to 
  experience what their peers had. 
  In addition, Koppel reported, the Lynch Foundation is partnering 
 with other 
  philanthropists to grant another $25,000 each to the University of 
 Michigan, 
  Yale, Emerson College and other colleges to help teach students 
 TM. The 
  foundation is also partnering to support an American University 
 study on TM 
  and college students. 
  
  Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality 
 of life 
  dawning in the world 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/

 

  
http://www.theascendedmasters.com/

   
   Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look like dudes 
 from 
  some  rock band? .
  
  
  Lol. It is like  Baywatch without the chics.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 Like, totally...


Or, anagram:

You ascended masters = ecstasy enamors, Dude





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star 
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  From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
  
   
  

  http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
 
 
 Ask (yoga sutras) in My name'(Transcendence) said Christ 
Jesus, 'and
 ye shall receive'(manifestation).


Jesus also made fun of Peter and called him a rock, and he made fun 
of people with one eye.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ascended Masters Pictures

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
 
  
 
   
 http://www.theascendedmasters.com/
 

Is it my imagination or do all of these guys look like dudes 
  from 
   some  rock band? .
   
   
   Lol. It is like  Baywatch without the chics.
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  Like, totally...
 
 
 Or, anagram:
 
 You ascended masters = ecstasy enamors, Dude


Or Ass-ended Masters. 
Told you it was scary.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: To the Ass-ended Masters

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
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 Kiss my assh !


Sorry folks, just slipped out.
Hope the ass-ended masters have as warped a sense of humor as me.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] To the Ass-ended Masters

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
Kiss my assh !





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Speaks on Blessings of the Devatas on Deva Prabhodini

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
TOO LATE DEVATAS ! ! !
YOU HAD YER CHANCE !
We'll take it from here thankyou very much.

...OffWorld.

(Kill the buddha, and awaken gently now)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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 Maharishi Speaks on Blessings of the Devatas on Deva Prabhodini
 
  
 
 (A transcript done by an American Purusha)
 
  
 2:18:15 minutes into the morning Puju on Deva Prabhodini (from 
Purusha CD)
 November 12, 2005
 Deva Prabhodini, Ekadashi
 Word- for ­word transcript
  
 
 
 Maharishi: ³Jai Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. All the rajas are 
listening? Yes?²
  
 Bevan:  yes, Maharishi.
  
 Maharishi: ³Now we have all the Devatas wake up and from their 
side they are
 coming together asking what we want.  So, we are telling them:  
³Please,
 from your level, you decide, and we want all that is possible for 
you to
 give.² 
  
 ³So, they seem to be coming to us through the window of the 
treasury of Raja
 Raam, the treasury of the Global Country of World Peace, and 
through the
 Finance Minister all the windows, the doors of he treasury¹s from 
all
 directions are now open and all the rajas are asking us what you 
want. And
 our request to them is:  how much you are satisfied with us, 
please give us
 your blessings, your parental role for us, at least in our globe, 
in our
 world, we want to see all our people peaceful, happy, fulfilled, 
integrated,
 fully enlightened, and in possession of all 
possibilitiesŠCreativity, which
 will be unlimited, unbounded, eternal, and ever-lasting. This is 
what our
 reply to the fully awakened, all the Devatas today.
  
 ³And that is the gift that hasŠit has been coming on from Guru 
Purnima,
 coming on from Guru Purnima... and now today it seems that the 
waking up of
 all the Devatas, devotani Ekadashi, waking up of the... all the 
Devatas, and
 the picture before us today is that the Ganges started drop by 
drop from
 Gangotri and it flowed and it flowed and it flowed, and now we see 
in the
 form of Ganga SagarŠ Ganga Sagara is the ocean of Ganga.
  
 ³At Gangotri it was a drop, and the drop became a flow, and the 
flow became
 unlimited ocean, silent and full of waves. So, today, the 
awakening of all
 the Devatas is such a great upsurge of our fortune with the 
fortune of all
 our dear world around, and we have done very, very well.
  
 ³And, as the Puja was, as the Puja was about to end, we say, a 
little before
 ending, we haveŠ just that expression in terms of wealth--  we 
used to have
 that expression:  ³through the window of science we see the dawn 
of the Age
 of Enlightenment. ³
  
 ³Now, the dawn has burst out into the Day, into the bright mid-day 
sun. So,
 it¹s a great upsurge of our fulfillment. It¹s very beautiful. It¹s 
very
 beautiful. 
  
 ³So, whatever the days are going to follow, they are going to be 
an open
 window of Kuber, open window of Raam, open window of all the 
Devatas:
 MahalakshmiŠunbounded, MahasaraswatiŠ unbounded, Durgamba, the 
power of
 creativityŠ unbounded, just unbounded, just unbounded.
  
 ³So with these blessings, the flow that stop, that started, now we 
see it
 was a drop by drop on Guru Purnima, but it was a full moon, but 
now we see
 that it was a full moon, and now we see full sunshine into the 
ocean of
 infinite affluence, Unbounded field of everything one could ever 
want.
  
 ³It¹s a great thing.  It¹s a very great thing we have been through 
today, a
 very great thing, and the Vedic Pandits have opened the door of 
all the
 Devatas and they have received the Devatas in their own language. 
So, then,
 each Devata has its own language.
  
 ³Very beautiful Puja, offering to the awakening of the Devatas one 
after
 another, and then, the Devata of the Devatas, MahaVishnu.  It is a 
very
 great blessing. So, we remain in this, and now we just meditate 
and mediate
 and have very good, full rest.
  
 ³In the mean time, we will have some showers of this awakening of 
all the
 Devatas in our conscious awareness to the whole west of our world, 
all
 these, they are making all the Devatas in Washington, and from 
Washington,
 further on, Dr. Hagelin is on the extreme end of the setting sun, 
he is in
 California,  probably that side.
  
 ³So, from India, to CaliforniaŠthe whole world, all the Devatas 
are awake,
 and what we have to do isŠ just fulfilled.  We feel fulfilled. No 
action
 hasŠ remains on our part.  The Devatas have blessed us with the 
fruit of all
 action.
  
 ³We have been talking ³yogasthah Kuru karmani.² It¹s realized 
today on this
 Ekadashi, Devotani Ekadashi, Devotani Ekadashi, the eleventh day 
of all the
 Devatas who have woken up. Really we are blessed
  
 ³And what we have to do? We have to be prepared to how to enjoy 
from all
 directions everywhere, everywhere. And from tomorrow we¹ll have 
all windows
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF 'deeksha', Kalki cult, Chalanda Ma

2005-11-16 Thread gullible fool

Thanks, Doug. I've had deeksha from the Kalki group
and am looking to get some from the Chalanda Ma group
as soon as possible. If I like it, I'll learn how to
give it myself.   

--- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  Has anyone here received deeksha from the Chalanda
 Sai
  Ma people? 
 
 Yeah, its the same. Similar. A specific deeksha
 darshan to the brain 
 and upper chakras of the subtle system.  Depends
 some on who is 
 giving it.  
 
 Chalanda Ma seems to be promoting it as something to
 learn in form 
 to give in that it cultivates the subtle system of
 the giver as 
 well.  Kalki seems to be holding the positioning it
 as something to 
 pay (him) for.  Chalanda Ma seems to be empire
 building with touches 
 of flash like this.  With either camp, then it is
 what you do with 
 it in the subtle system to illumine the divine
 within otherwise.  TM 
 may have started something, these additions are
 advancement and then 
 for instance Ammachi's IAM technique is a packaged
 spiritual 
 practice then to integrate the shakti juice that can
 be in the 
 deeksha that Chalanda Ma or Kalki are formatting. 
 That is my 
 experience with it.  Chalanda and Kalki seem to have
 quite a lot of 
 ego with it that they make contingent.  Ammachi's is
 pretty open-
 handed by comparison for instance.  That is also my
 experience with 
 it. 
 
   
 
 
  
  --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brahman
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
 feste37 wrote:

 Actually, the people in Fairfield who give
   deeksha
 don't charge for it. It's free for anyone
 who
   wants it,
 although you can leave a donation if you
 want.
   There is
 no pressure on anyone to give or to recruit.
 
   
   Well, they do have the lingo down actually... 
   You'll be enlightened 
   and never need to do sadana anymore with enough
   deeksha.  Real sweet 
   and earnest people, are pretty
   vested and are going back for the next hit of
   darshan.
   
   

i am curious how big of a following there is
 in
   fairfield
now, taking this deeksha ... just a handful,
 or
   is it
a growing trend now that TMO is faltering? Do
 they
   have
their own Center in fairfield, for this Kalki
   deeksha thing?
Or a website?
   
   Seems sort of like everyone is giving `deeksha'
   here.   Chalanda Sai 
   Ma saw Kalki giving deeksh some while ago so she
   thought `heck I can 
   do that as a modality' and started giving it and
   also then teaching 
   how to give `deeksha'.  There is a lot of
 'energy
   work' here otherwise 
   of the similar modality.
   
   The irony is that one of the first weekends that
 the
   couple who were 
   back from India having learned it for thousands
 of
   dollars from Kalki, 
   the local Chalanda Ma devotees gave a weekend
 course
   in how to give 
   deeksha for 45 bucks to cover the cost..   In
 both
   cases it is sort of 
   a laying of hands on the head energy work in
 form.  
   From either the 
   Kalki people here or the Chalanda Ma people here
 it
   is nice.  Partly 
   it is nice because of the powerful room of
 spiritual
   practitioners who 
   will git together and be at these meetings.  It
 is a
   powerful 
   meditating group here.
   
   As far as money, the Chalanda Sai Ma and Kalki
 folks
   here skate a fine 
   line just to cover costs.  People here generally
 are
   weary (sensitive) 
   of the cult thing of raising money.  Also, a lot
 of
   the money that 
   used to be here just is not anymore. … Just us
   spiritual church mice 
   remain mostly.
   
   -Doug
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I agree with you here. And I find it depressing to think that 
Lynch, a high-
 profile character who can get the attention of young people, then 
has to watch 
 all the interest dissipate when the fee is mentioned.  I would set 
if for students 
 at about $300-400. 
 

**

I'm OK with Lynch's tour (not all college students are broke, of 
course), but sooner or later somebody is going to do the math -- 
Lynch's foundation only has $410K in the bank, so they can only 
scholarship 164 people, and those will undoubtedly be inner-city 
kids in the charter schools, not the college kids he is talking to. 
But, that's the luck of the world in the Kaliyuga -- the transition 
to enlightenment values can't happen quickly...

Bob Brigante
http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html






 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   It's the headline in Global Good News that's misleading. The 
  article  itself is 
   clearly a report ABOUT the NYT article. That's quite 
different. Of 
   course they've mentioned the good bits and omitted the so-so 
bits. 
  There's 
   nothing wrong in that.  But the headline shouldn't have been 
  chosen to  make 
   it appear that it was a reprinted article from the NY Times. 
  Perhaps  this was 
   just incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead, 
  since the 
   article itself clearly indicates that it is GGN's report about 
the 
  NYT article, not 
   the article itself. 
   
  
  *
  
  Nevertheless, I don't like this stuff at all, because it is not 
  useful for the TMO. Everybody who read the NYT article, a much 
  larger audience than GGN, saw that there were problems, like the 
  student who backed off because of the too-high instruction fee 
for  
  TM. So what this amounts too is one TMer telling the rest of the 
  choir that everything is coming up roses, but it ain't. There 
are 
  TMers who read GGN and won't go to the NYT article, and may 
think 
  that it accurately reflects the article -- this head in the sand 
  approach can't be useful, and I doubt if the NYT editors like 
this 
  stuff, either, because it amounts to altering the article to fit 
an 
  agenda. If you're going to have a NYT headline, you should 
  accurately reflect the content, or at least have a hot link to 
the 
  article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/giving/14koppel.html
  
  
  Bob Brigante
  http://geocities.com/bbrigante
  
  
  
   
   FROM GLOBAL GOOD NEWS
   Earth's future peacemakers just need a little TM
   by Lily Koppel
   The New York Times    Translate This Article
   14 November 2005
   On 14 November 2005 The New York Times reported: Filmmaker 
David 
   Lynch is raising money to make the Transcendental Meditation 
  Programme 
   available to students from first grade through college. New 
York 
  Times 
   reporter Lily Koppel said that Lynch wants to make the simple 
  mental 
   technique 'a standard in every student's curriculum'. It is a 
joy 
  for Global Good 
   News service to feature this news, which indicates the success 
of 
  the life-
   supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring 
fulfilment 
  to the field 
   of world-peace. 
   Although often described as 'notoriously reclusive', Lynch has 
  stepped into 
   the public spotlight by founding the David Lynch Foundation 
for 
   Consciousness-Based Education and has embarked on a speaking 
tour 
  to 
   universities on the East and West Coasts. His goal is 
clear: 'I 
  really think it will 
   change the world,' Lynch was quoted as saying. 
   The article said that the Lynch Foundation currently has 
assets of 
  about 
   $410,000. To date seven schools have each been awarded $25,000 
in 
  seed 
   money to begin programmes using the TM Technique. Two of the 
  charter 
   schools discussed their programmes with the New York Times 
  reporter. 
   Dr George H. Rutherford, principal of the Ideal Academy Public 
  Charter 
   School, an elementary and middle school in Washington, DC, 
said of 
  Lynch, 
   'He is going to revolutionize education in America.' 
   Dr Rutherford said that while other foundations tend to focus 
on 
  providing 
   learning tools (such as computers) to students, the 
Transcendental 
  Meditation 
   Programme helps develop the students themselves. 'TM helps to 
  reduce the 
   stress that creates problems,' he was quoted as saying. 
   Researchers at Maharishi University of Management in 
Fairfield, 
  Iowa, will 
   measure the effects of the meditation programme on students. 
   A second school to receive a $25,000 grant from the Lynch 
  Foundation was 
   the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, a public charter 
  school, which 
   previously received TM financing from the DaimlerChrysler 
  Corporation Fund 
   and the General Motors 

[FairfieldLife] Did John Hagelin say ?

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
Did John Hagelin say that ...the US economy is poised to fail on a 
massive scale?
Minute 1.11 - 1.13

If so, I'm screwedunless I move to my brothers place in Thailand.

Click on View Press Conference Replays
http://mou.org/media/replay.cgi

Whether you are TM-ex or not, if you listen to Maharishi all the way 
through, you have to admit - MAHARISHI STILL ROCKS ! ! !

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[FairfieldLife] Jai Guru Dev

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
http://mou.org/media/replay.cgi





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, you can post this from a friend'

2005-11-16 Thread gullible fool
 She's the flower of compassion, ain't she?

Seems to have an unusual fixation on prostitutes.
 
--- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 She's the flower of compassion, ain't she?
 
 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 *** Swami G has a website: 
 http://kundalinisupport.com/
 
 
 
 a timely offering
 on this ongoing subject)
 
 * Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then
 comes
 back to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost
 always,
 always or rarely granted?
 
 g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha
 elsewhere then No
 --- the bond is broken . other situations are
 case by case 
 
 * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute.
 I
 have all my travel plans for India but I think I am
 getting talked
 out of it as I continue to ask you questions.
 
 G: while india may hold a lot of allure  it is
 Not the sole
 place where an authentic Guru may be found...
 
 
 * When you say Diksha, there must be a vast
 difference and
 degree of it according to circumstances. For
 example, Kalki
 Bhagwan has his disciples or even I think students
 that are not
 full blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha
 going on
 in his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York
 said it is
 much more powerful at the ashram.
 
 G: yes -
 
 * It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his
 dasaJi's
 give the Diksha because if he did it, it would be
 too
 overpowering.
 
 G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just
 to lazy to
 take on that mantle ... therefore it is being
 taken over by
 others so he can put his energies elsewhere ...
 WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be
 just to
 overpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ...
 sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as
 being
 anyway valid.
 
 * Would you give one of your disciples permission to
 take
 Diksha elsewhere?
 
 G: absolutely Not ...
 
 you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at
 one time...
 i don't have the time nor inclination to continually
 undo the
 confusion that takes place when that happens
  Before
 taking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path
 ..
 
 * What if one of your disciples took Darshan from
 mother
 Meera, for example-she touches your head, and looks
 at you.
 
 G: Darshan is different than Diksha ..
 
 Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to
 awakening
 or stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a
 Commitment
 like getting married .. you don't go to the
 altar and enter into a
 marriage with more than one person at a time 
 Diksha is
 almost like getting married and yet it is even a
 deeper
 commitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to
 Guide
 you for the whole of this life and even beyond if
 needed . Why
 should Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing
 with a
 sadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship
 .???.
 
 Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and
 dishonor your wife ?
 perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy
 but then you
 take the risk of picking up a disease .. so what
 is better ?
 to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with
 one that
 cares for your welfare ???
 
 this isn't like signing up for a new course . a
 new college
 class.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are
 viewing Diksha
 and entering a path . oh it's just another
 type of learning
 and more is better ...
 
 No it isn't . not when it comes to walking
 through a Kundalini
 path ...
 
 * Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and
 then when
 the lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or
 chant, I
 explained that I already have my meditation
 technique so I
 will do that instead.
 
 G: this would be the correct way to handle it ..
 
 * Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to
 part with a
 disciple? If so, then isn't it an individual
 consideration for each
 Guru based on his style, to determine which
 punishment fits
 which crime (so to speak)?
 
 G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will
 either work with
 you -- or when the bond has been breached on
 Purpose then
 Why in the world does the Guru owe you anything ?
 
 Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying
 on an affair or
 running after prostitutes Why in the world
 should the wife
 continue to honor a commitment with her whole heart
 when it is
 clear that this Trust has been broken .. this
 relationship has
 been severed on the energetic and heart levels by
 his actions .
 
 Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is
 not an ego
 thing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on
 Commitment to
 aide you within your journey . the Guru is
 offering you the way
 to find the Pearl of Great Price  they are
 offering their time,
 expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a
 stabilizing
 influence , clarity which you yet do not posses
 .
 
 Now what are you offering in return ???
 to listen on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jai Guru Dev

2005-11-16 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 http://mou.org/media/replay.cgi




looks like mou 24 hr is back on free status...heard some great 
chanting tonight:

http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=43






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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I agree with you here. And I find it depressing to think that 
Lynch, a high-
 profile character who can get the attention of young people, then 
has to watch 
 all the interest dissipate when the fee is mentioned.  I would set 
if for students 
 at about $300-400. 


Yoohoo...


Did you not note that the David Lynch FOundation is raising themoney 
to pay the $2500 fee for all students (hopefully)?

If someone doesn't want to wait, they can gowith brand x, an 
independent teacher (who may well think he gets it) or wait for 
Lynch's money to start rolling in.


Lynch doesn't care if people think its too expensive. HE is the one 
paying for it.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: :propagandizing the NY Times- David Lynch Article- link attached

2005-11-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  Yes, I agree with you here. And I find it depressing to think 
that 
 Lynch, a high-
  profile character who can get the attention of young people, then 
 has to watch 
  all the interest dissipate when the fee is mentioned.  I would 
set 
 if for students 
  at about $300-400. 
  
 
 **
 
 I'm OK with Lynch's tour (not all college students are broke, of 
 course), but sooner or later somebody is going to do the math -- 
 Lynch's foundation only has $410K in the bank, so they can only 
 scholarship 164 people, and those will undoubtedly be inner-city 
 kids in the charter schools, not the college kids he is talking to. 
 But, that's the luck of the world in the Kaliyuga -- the transition 
 to enlightenment values can't happen quickly...
 


Lynch will either raise more cash or he won't. Why is everyone 
harping on the lack of funds in a foundation started a few months ago?





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