[FairfieldLife] Re: Favorite movies to watch in Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t3rinity wrote: Here's a very inexpert and indiscriminate list of temporary favorates by me: Hero Stargate Matrix I Mulholland Drive (yes, really I liked it!) Devdas (Bollywood with Aishwarya Rai) Veer and Zara Meera (with MS Subbulakshmi, something I'd love to see but couldn't yet get hold on) Meera should be available at your local Indian grocery on DVD. Oh don't have a local Indian grocery? There are several Indian online rental places and Netflix does have some Indian movies to so you might check there. I checked Netflix and they don't have it. I am not even certain that there is a DVD of the film, as it was done 1947 and 1945 http://tinyurl.com/ejkcr see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.S._Subbulakshmi 'Mahatma Gandhi was so charmed of her Meera bhajans that he requested her to sing the song Hari Tum haro Jan ki bheer (Lord, please dispel the fear in mankind). She regretfully declined as she had a cold that day. A prompt reply came back from the mahatma's side saying I would gladly hear subbulakshmi speak it than hear it sung by others.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: snip Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. Where did you read that - Al Jazeera dot com? Uh, no, a post by Steve Clemons on TPM Cafe. See some quotes and a link at the end of this post. Not sure why you'd think that would be an Al Jazeera position. Seems to me the Al Jazeera position would be exactly the opposite. The context was criticism of the administration's fear-mongering, as opposed to Israel's purportedly more sensible perspective. That Israel is likely to attack Iran, so we need to do it first, is a talking point of Bush's supporters, so of course it has been given great prominence in the mainstream media. On 7 September 1997, the CBS newsmagazine Sixty Minutes broadcast an alarming story in which former Russian National Security Adviser Aleksandr Lebed claimed that the Russian military had lost track of more than 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, any one of which could kill up to 100,000 people. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html And the relevance of this to Israel's position on Iran's nuclear capabilities is what, exactly? The relevance is to your un-informed, biased, wish-full, a-naivite-that-will-get-everyone-killed position. Actually that was Steve Clemons's position (you know, the post I quoted from that you weren't able to comment on and snipped). A hundred nuclear suitcases on the loose (at least); an Iran that is threatning the extinction of another state whilst purportedly not yet having the Bomb. And this is why we should bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, to keep Iran from obtaining and using one of these nuclear suitcases that's floating around? I'm not sure how that would work, exactly. In fact, I should think it might *inspire* Iran to get hold of a few nuclear suitcases. Or are you advocating wiping the country out entirely? Just how many countries would you like to wipe out in order to feel safe from nuclear suitcases? Remember, we'd probably need to get rid of Great Britain and a whole lot of other nations where terrorists are known to live. Are you this stupid or is this some sort of game your playing..? Funny, I was going to ask the same of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: snip Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. Where did you read that - Al Jazeera dot com? Uh, no, a post by Steve Clemons on TPM Cafe. See some quotes and a link at the end of this post. Not sure why you'd think that would be an Al Jazeera position. Seems to me the Al Jazeera position would be exactly the opposite. The context was criticism of the administration's fear-mongering, as opposed to Israel's purportedly more sensible perspective. That Israel is likely to attack Iran, so we need to do it first, is a talking point of Bush's supporters, so of course it has been given great prominence in the mainstream media. On 7 September 1997, the CBS newsmagazine Sixty Minutes broadcast an alarming story in which former Russian National Security Adviser Aleksandr Lebed claimed that the Russian military had lost track of more than 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, any one of which could kill up to 100,000 people. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html And the relevance of this to Israel's position on Iran's nuclear capabilities is what, exactly? The relevance is to your un-informed, biased, wish-full, a-naivite-that-will-get-everyone-killed position. A hundred nuclear suitcases on the loose (at least); an Iran that is threatning the extinction of another state whilst purportedly not yet having the Bomb. Are you this stupid or is this some sort of game your playing..? Just as well the missing suitcase bombs are a myth, the USSR did have some portable nuclear devices but they were all accounted for when dismantled at the end of the cold war. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Or: That we all think the caste system is indefensible is a given, no debate necessary. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Anybody here *not* agree that the caste system is an affront to humanity? If so, I'll be *delighted* to debate them on that point. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. See, TMers (particularly me), according to Barry, are not allowed to express a personal opinion on ANYTHING. If they do, they are ipso facto attempting to dictate to others whatever that opinion advocates. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Right, it actually may *be* racist or demeaning. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. No, Barry, sorry, but you're once again taking your own bilious paranoid fantasies for reality. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Will Barry and Judy please stop this infantile behavior
Maybe infantile is being to kind to you both. Your constant nipping at each other in this public venue is the most immature behavior I have ever seen between adults. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
Care to the ways they are doing that, beyond opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course they do, it's just a caste system by another name. And the lunatics running things now are trying their hardest to make it as permanent as possible. Sal On Apr 15, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Vaj wrote: In a materialistic and hedonistic society do we abandon certain caste-functions because of attachment to and worship of materialism and hedonism? Do the wealthiest classes in America constitute a faux-Brahman caste? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: When someone dies ...
Title: Maharishi: When someone dies ... From the program for the passing of Billy Dunn: When someone dies, it is because at that point, their karma has become insurmountable in the present body. It is not possible to understand why death had to come when it did and there is certainly no point in assuming responsibility and guilt. The course of action was unfathomable. However, especialy for someone on the path of speedy evolution, the transition is purely evolutionary. They go to the celestial realms, or are reborn almost immediately. When life leaves the body, it is the breath leaving, like transcending. For one who has been accustomed to this experience for many years, the transiktion is easy, painless and blissful, not catastrophic. Dropping the body is like letting a bird out of its cage. Grief is natural. At first when grief is deep and sharp, these emotions of the family and friends allow the soul to feel that they were loved very deeply. It is also natural that the grieving should taper off, allowing the soul to feel that its passing was not a drag of the life of its beloved ones, and that they are free to move onto their destiny. It is important to feel positivity and support for the departed soul wherever they be, because our attitude affects their evolution. Maharishi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] All Community meeting today 1:30 p.m. Dome
did anyone from fairfield-life attend this, or hear anything about it? i am curius what the news from kansas is!? - Original Message - From: Maureen Wynne To: Recipient List Suppressed: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: All Community meeting today 1:30 p.m. Dome Everyone is invited to an all-community meeting today, Saturday, April 15 with His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris, His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin, His Excellency Dr. Eike Hartmann, and the Rajas who have just traveled here from the Brahmasthan of the United States. It will be held in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome and will run from 1:30 to 3:00 pm. They will be sharing all the latest news and knowledge. Everyone is welcome and no badges are required. -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris - the mortal dangers of Religion
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone else notice the relevance to the current issues of immigration in the US (and elsewhere)? What caste-roles do illegal Mexican immigrants primarily fulfill? In a materialistic and hedonistic society do we abandon certain caste- functions because of attachment to and worship of materialism and hedonism? Do the wealthiest classes in America constitute a faux- Brahman caste? It appears to me that an inherent presmption in a number of posts is that sudras are a low and undesirable class, and to be a Brahman is the best, and the desire and goal of all should be to rise above (to a higher) their current caste. I thnk that is a limited, warped and even upside down view. First, no need to use the social and occupational classes of ancient india. Not much call for charriot spoke makers, or arrow makers in current society. In the modern west we have various clusters of occupations-- and often a social culture that develops around it [some cliche yet indicative examples in brackets]. For example: Blue Collar -- works with hands [country music ethos, pick-up trucks, Nascar, hunting fishing, budweiser, meth] White Collar (particularly business / trade related) -- works with social/people skills,common sense and business skills, [easy listening music, Lexus, golf and tennis, chardonay, single malt scotches] Intellectuals (college professors, journalists, doctors, lawyers, etc) [classical music, hyrid cars/volvo station wagons, hiking, skiing, imported beers, obscure wines, pot] Artists (actors, musicians, writers, artists, etc)[new wave, punk, modern rock, world music, sports cars, modern dance, yoga, running in the wilderness ecstasy, hallucinogens, tequilla] Is one strata superior to the other? Do members in one class seek to be in another? For the most part no. For example, a lot of country music is about blue collar pride and why no person with their feet on the ground would ever want to be a shallow yuppie (aka white collar, or air head -- intellectual). More so, an important transition is underway in which the work of Intellectuals, White-collar and artists can be digitized andand commoditized to a degree in global markets -- driving down wages. And similar processes occur in some but not all blue-collar jobs via transfer of jobs (assembly,etc,) overseas. But some jobs can't be digitized nor transferred overseas: many traditional blue collar hands on jobs. Cooks, housekeepers, gardeners, masseuses, etc. these jobs might become higher paying and thus prestigious than traditional prestige jobs of Intellectuals, White Collar workers and even some artists. Thus, the jobs that mexican illegals do may become much more sought after and prestigious. Classifying them as sudra and lowly jobs is error prone on two fronts: it presumes i) a rank order to castes or occupational stratas, and ii) that there is no long-run change to compensation and prestige for different types of jobs as markets continue to globalize. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: When someone dies ...
What a terrific thing to include in a funeral progarm. Thanks for reproducing it, Rick. Questions: 1) Who is Billy Dunn (sounds like a prizefighter's name!)? 2) Do you know what the original source for MMY's words are? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the program for the passing of Billy Dunn: When someone dies, it is because at that point, their karma has become insurmountable in the present body. It is not possible to understand why death had to come when it did and there is certainly no point in assuming responsibility and guilt. The course of action was unfathomable. However, especialy for someone on the path of speedy evolution, the transition is purely evolutionary. They go to the celestial realms, or are reborn almost immediately. When life leaves the body, it is the breath leaving, like transcending. For one who has been accustomed to this experience for many years, the transiktion is easy, painless and blissful, not catastrophic. Dropping the body is like letting a bird out of its cage. Grief is natural. At first when grief is deep and sharp, these emotions of the family and friends allow the soul to feel that they were loved very deeply. It is also natural that the grieving should taper off, allowing the soul to feel that its passing was not a drag of the life of its beloved ones, and that they are free to move onto their destiny. It is important to feel positivity and support for the departed soul wherever they be, because our attitude affects their evolution. Maharishi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Community meeting today 1:30 p.m. Dome
On Apr 15, 2006, at 5:06 PM, george_deforest wrote: did anyone from fairfield-life attend this, or hear anything about it? i am curius what the news from kansas is!? Dorothy and Toto just realized they weren't there anymore. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Based on working with him directly for fourteen years, and on watching his predictions and proclamations in the decades since then, I would probably bet anything -- much less the world -- that if Maharishi says that X is true, it isn't. 14 years working with him directly... Let's see, that would mean that you were working for the TMO at the highest levels from 19xx to 19xx+14. Just when did you learn TM and when did you become part of the inner circle and when did you leave? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 15, 2006, at 9:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Of course, there's no evidence that transcendence style meditation has anything to do with TM. TM *is* a basic form of Shamatha (transcendence style meditation) using a mantra. There are hundreds of different types of of shamatha. That might be, but the site I quoted seemed to almost get TM and then wandered off into the ozone. It will be interesting to see if the physiological changes are the same for whatever transcendence style meditation technique they test. I suggest you read The Buddhist Tradition of Samatha: Methods for Refining and Examining Consciousness. Journal of Consciousness Studies, 6, No. 2-3, 1999. pp. 175-187. It is available at: http://alanwallace.org/Wallace-Samatha.pdf You'll see the model of meditation does go quite a bit deeper and further, so one would expect the results will be different. Funny, I was just thinking, as I read it, that it doesn't go very deep at all, so one would expect the results to be different... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Barry and Judy please stop this infantile behavior
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe infantile is being to kind to you both. Your constant nipping at each other in this public venue is the most immature behavior I have ever seen between adults. Lucky you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. Actually Barry has indicated that he DOES get it --that he LIKES pushing Judy's buttons. He has said so litterally. He dispises her so much that he gets off on making her react. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: [snip] http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html And the relevance of this to Israel's position on Iran's nuclear capabilities is what, exactly? The relevance is to your un-informed, biased, wish-full, a-naivite-that-will-get-everyone-killed position. Actually that was Steve Clemons's position (you know, the post I quoted from that you weren't able to comment on and snipped). Lady, who are you kiddin..? :-) A hundred nuclear suitcases on the loose (at least); an Iran that is threatning the extinction of another state whilst purportedly not yet having the Bomb. And this is why we should bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, to keep Iran from obtaining and using one of these nuclear suitcases that's floating around? I'm not sure how that would work, exactly. In fact, I should think it might *inspire* Iran to get hold of a few nuclear suitcases. Or are you advocating wiping the country out entirely? Just how many countries would you like to wipe out in order to feel safe from nuclear suitcases? Remember, we'd probably need to get rid of Great Britain and a whole lot of other nations where terrorists are known to live. You're a fuckin' nutcase. Why bother to reply to people's postings when you don't bother readoing what they say? Are you this stupid or is this some sort of game your playing..? Funny, I was going to ask the same of you. You were not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. Actually Barry has indicated that he DOES get it --that he LIKES pushing Judy's buttons. He has said so litterally. He dispises her so much that he gets off on making her react. And, Judy must enjoy reacting or she would have done what we tell kids to do from the time we hear them taunting each other-ignore the other person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. Oh, please. You can't be *ignorant* of the racism against Indians, can you? +++ Right,- racism everywhere, however, Is hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian These few lines are a bit hard to follow. The funny butts and drug scene was after my time so maybe that or a little old timers syndrome is the problem. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Barry and Judy please stop this infantile behavior
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Maybe infantile is being to kind to you both. Your constant nipping at each other in this public venue is the most immature behavior I have ever seen between adults. Lucky you. *** Well, Judy at least should behave better after her arrest yesterday: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/nyregion/16conduct.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... I've wondered that myself. But I think it's more likely they just don't want to get on his bad side, because they've seen what happens with you and me. Anyway, this time the one-sidedness got remedied. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: [snip] http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html And the relevance of this to Israel's position on Iran's nuclear capabilities is what, exactly? The relevance is to your un-informed, biased, wish-full, a-naivite-that-will-get-everyone-killed position. Actually that was Steve Clemons's position (you know, the post I quoted from that you weren't able to comment on and snipped). Lady, who are you kiddin..? Oh, did I miss all your comments on the Clemons quote? I didn't see any. :-) A hundred nuclear suitcases on the loose (at least); an Iran that is threatning the extinction of another state whilst purportedly not yet having the Bomb. And this is why we should bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, to keep Iran from obtaining and using one of these nuclear suitcases that's floating around? I'm not sure how that would work, exactly. In fact, I should think it might *inspire* Iran to get hold of a few nuclear suitcases. Or are you advocating wiping the country out entirely? Just how many countries would you like to wipe out in order to feel safe from nuclear suitcases? Remember, we'd probably need to get rid of Great Britain and a whole lot of other nations where terrorists are known to live. You're a fuckin' nutcase. Why bother to reply to people's postings when you don't bother readoing what they say? Translation: She nailed me. But I'll pretend otherwise, 'cause I ain't got no answer. Are you this stupid or is this some sort of game your playing..? Funny, I was going to ask the same of you. You were not. Well, yeah, I was, actually. You sure haven't said anything sensible *yet*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Barry and Judy please stop this infantile behavior
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Maybe infantile is being to kind to you both. Your constant nipping at each other in this public venue is the most immature behavior I have ever seen between adults. Lucky you. *** Well, Judy at least should behave better after her arrest yesterday: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/nyregion/16conduct.html I never liked Shea Stadium anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. Thank you. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. You know, I'm not the only person here who realizes Barry's a phony. I'm just the only one who calls him on it frequently. If the rest of you would do your part, I wouldn't feel the need to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote. snipp, So what's YOUR feeling about the caste system, eh? Is there ANY validity to it, or is it just another way that the current ruling elite of a nation finds a way to make sure that their children rule after them and that the currently-powerless are *kept* powerless? I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. +++ With most of the people involved believing in reincarnation, wouldnt the issue be almost a moot point? Your choice-your caste- your problem, or lack of. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... I just figured you both enjoy it, or get some satisfaction from it on some level. Like Dr. Phil of TV fame asks, 'what's the pay-off, what's in it for you?'-- So, what the hell, enjoy itIf you didn't, one or both would stop it To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four castes in Rgveda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to A.A.Macdonell, the only mention of the four castes in the Rgveda is in puruSa-suukta (X 90, 12): saMhitaa-paaTha (reading with sandhi) braahmaNo 'sya mukham aasiid baahuu raajaniaH kRtaH; uuruu tad asya yad vaishyaH; padbhyaaM shuudro ajaayata. pada-paaTha (without sandhi): braahmaNaH | asya | mukham | aasiit | baahuu iti | raajanyaH | kRtaH | uuruu iti | tat | asya | yat | vaishyaH | pat 'bhyaam | shuudraH | ajaayata | His [puruSa's] mouth was the Braahman, his two arms were made the warrior, his two thighs the Vaishya; from his two feet the Shuudra was born. +++ I recall seeing nearly the same thing in the Aquarian Gospell and, Jesus taking issue with it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
on 4/15/06 6:49 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? This idiotic feud will end whenever either of you decides not to participate in it any more. Apparently, neither of you is capable of this. If either of you were living fully in the present, you wouldn't harbor past grudges and the situation wouldn't continue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/15/06 6:49 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? This idiotic feud will end whenever either of you decides not to participate in it any more. Apparently, neither of you is capable of this. If either of you were living fully in the present, you wouldn't harbor past grudges and the situation wouldn't continue. It really amazes me that you, Rick, and so many other intelligent people on this forum can't see what's actually going on here right under your noses. No wonder Bush is president and the Republicans control Congress. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk wrote: The DL's turn the other cheek philosophy of non-violence led to a horrible bit of ultra-violence, as Little Alex would say, didn't it? It's as if the Dalai Lama recognized that his people could not really be killed. That life cannot really be taken. Like what some spiritual masters would have us believe. Or, speaking practically, as if Tibet didn't have a chance standing up against China, so why embrace the karma of killing? Both, I think. Plus, he knew that Tibet had almost no army with which to defend itself from one of the largest armies on the planet, and no resources with which to develop, arm, and train one. He *asked* for help -- very vocally -- from almost all the nations he thought might be interested in helping his nation stand up to the Chinese. All of them, including America, ignored his pleas completely. China had been trying to take over Tibet for many years. The Dalai Lama we are speaking about is the Fourteenth, but the Chinese tried to invade Tibet back in the reign of the Sixth Dalai Lama, and actually assassinated him. It was an inevitability that if China really wanted Tibet, they could have it at any time they wanted. Another factor to consider at that time was the importance placed in Tibetan society on prophecy and the ability of the State Oracle to see the future accurately. The Oracle in this case saw the end of Tibet as its people had known it, and no possibility of stopping it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 4:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, salsunshine@ writes: I guess it all comes down to what you consider 'wrong,' then: Genghis Khan--65 years Adolph Hitler--56 years Henry VIII--56 years Joseph Stalin--75 years Benito Mussolini--62 years Franciso Franco--83 years Ferdinand Marcos--72 years Pol Pot--73 years And I'm sure others can come up with more people who did a whole lot of wrong and lived a long time. wasn't it Billy Joel that sang only the good die young? * Short life does not necessarily mean an evil person -- Shankara, for example, only lived 32 years According to S(h)ankara-dig-vijaya by Maadhava-vidyaaraNya He transformed Himself into His real form as the great Lord S(h)iva and attained to His Divine Abode S(h)ivaloka in the heaven of Kaila(:)sa on(?) His vehicle, the divine Bull Nandi. http://tinyurl.com/kaf69 However, the principle is that a person who lives wrong simply cannot live long. The fact is that in the Kaliyuga, nearly everybody lives very wrong, so lifespan is short -- and since Kaliyuga is a time of wrongdoing, it's weak and short-lived, and can be euthanized even quicker than its natural 432K years, if a wave of spiritual regeneration takes place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. LOL. Wonderful exchange, Patrick. Anyone can interpret scripture any way they want to. But the bottom line of almost all such interpretations is that it enables people to say, See...God/Jesus/Mohammed/Krishna/Buddha/ whatever *ssid* that what *I* do is correct...so there! Christians *re*interpret Christ because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live life the way he said it should be lived. Hindus *re*interpret their scriptures because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live the way they say live should be lived. Bunch of wimps, if you ask me. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are , Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. LOL. Wonderful exchange, Patrick. Anyone can interpret scripture any way they want to. But the bottom line of almost all such interpretations is that it enables people to say, See...God/Jesus/Mohammed/Krishna/Buddha/ whatever *ssid* that what *I* do is correct...so there! Christians *re*interpret Christ because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live life the way he said it should be lived. Hindus *re*interpret their scriptures because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live the way they say live should be lived. Bunch of wimps, if you ask me. :-) Yeah, but those muslims are hanging in there: kill the infidel. Inconvenient, but scriptural. (of course some intellectual wimp ass whiners will say Mohommed meant infidels to refer to local enemies, not not muslims.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Should read, Jesus asked his Father to forgive the crucifiers. Of course, that may have been a specific instance, and not universally applicable. Jesus could be fickle. Actually I was thinking about a story that Charlie told. It may have been after he was stabbed. (I talked to him 3 days afterwords). Asking Maharishi if he should defend himself if attacked or 'turn the other cheek'. Maharishi's comment was defend yourself. And the other thing was from the Course in Miracles about the difference between forgivness on the level of content and action on the level of form. Forgive in the heart and act natually on the level of form. BTW, if that was an attack, I'll just turn the other check, it's only email after all :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. Hey, I thought it was funny... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Of course we are not bound to live our lives the way you think we ought to. That it was an effective satire is obvious. Case close. That some other points of interst were raised, andpursued, doesn't mean that everyone is quite as one dimensional as you appear in this post. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. haha, thats a TELLING confession. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, oh yes, hook line and sinker. Totally disgusting isn't. Too bad we can't stay one pointed to pursue the BIG hook you have been caught on for apparently 10 yeas: bash judy. and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. HAHAHA. Thank god they are not trying to tells us what is acceptable topics of discussions are. Like you. That would be totally sick and fucked-up. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. You really do appear to have merde for brains on this topic. There is a large class of humor which is sick and destructive. For example good ol' boy jokes about blacks, jews, women etc. Its quite one sided, not universal bashing depicting the human comedy -- a la John Stewart and South Park -- but rather class elitism, using humor to maintain racist and sexist stereotypes and rigid archaic class structures. The difference between the two are are clear on the outer edges, but less clear on the inner sides that appear to approach each other. Clarifying the distinctions is useful. Except for the eternal shit-for-brains, it appears. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Should read, Jesus asked his Father to forgive the crucifiers. Of course, that may have been a specific instance, and not universally applicable. Jesus could be fickle. Actually I was thinking about a story that Charlie told. It may have been after he was stabbed. (I talked to him 3 days afterwords). Asking Maharishi if he should defend himself if attacked or 'turn the other cheek'. Maharishi's comment was defend yourself. Jesus, MMY, Jesus, MMY... hmmm its a tough call. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Great backgound music while working on your computer
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A key ally with an important voice in the debate is Israel, whose leadership has warned for years that it viewed any attempt by Iran to begin enriching uranium as a point of no return. I was told by several officials that the White House's interest in preventing an Israeli attack on a Muslim country, which would provoke a backlash across the region, was a factor in its decision to begin the current operational planning. In a speech in Cleveland on March 20th, President Bush depicted Ahmadinejad's hostility toward Israel as a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace. He added, I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel. See http://tinyurl.com/hyfsf The hypocrisy here makes me vomit, as if Israel are doing anyhting to help world peace! There treatment of the palestinians is one of the worst human rights abuses happening on earth. And Bush has given them support in annexing even more land on the west bank thus guaranteeing endless war. The question is, would attacking Iran cause more trouble than letting them have the Bomb? This whole situation will be a good test of MMY prediction that we are on the brink of world peace due to the new pundit project. I like predictions as they either come true, or they don't... Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course we are not bound to live our lives the way you think we ought to. Nope. That it [the Onion article] was an effective satire [of the caste system] is obvious. Case closed. Well, since I'm not bound to live my life the way you think I should, I'll reopen it, in its own thread. :-) I honestly believe that a lot of folks here ARE uncomfortable with the subject of the caste system coming up on this forum. And I think that the reason they're uncomfortable with this is that Maharishi *clearly* believes in it and supports it, and they're *embarrassed* by the fact that he believes in it. Only a couple of weeks ago, someone posted a long quote of Maharishi's in which he not only supported the concept of the caste system, but tried to reinvent it and pretend that it was based on Jyotish, not inheritance. The subject sank like a stone, with very few people even stepping up to the plate to take a swing at it. I noticed Ingegerd (I think) taking a stand against the caste system, and I think that Shemp has consistently taken a stand against it, but it didn't seem as if others wanted to deal with the subject much at all. Then, a couple of weeks later, the subject comes up again, this time in a parody article, and the response to it is a bunch of followup discussions that are basic- ally arguments about the relative political correct- ness of the parody's humor...nary a word on the subject of the parody itself. I just find all the aversion fascinating, that's all. So what's YOUR feeling about the caste system, eh? Is there ANY validity to it, or is it just another way that the current ruling elite of a nation finds a way to make sure that their children rule after them and that the currently-powerless are *kept* powerless? I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: A key ally with an important voice in the debate is Israel, whose leadership has warned for years that it viewed any attempt by Iran to begin enriching uranium as a point of no return. I was told by several officials that the White House's interest in preventing an Israeli attack on a Muslim country, which would provoke a backlash across the region, was a factor in its decision to begin the current operational planning. In a speech in Cleveland on March 20th, President Bush depicted Ahmadinejad's hostility toward Israel as a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace. He added, I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel. See http://tinyurl.com/hyfsf The hypocrisy here makes me vomit, as if Israel are doing anyhting to help world peace! There treatment of the palestinians is one of the worst human rights abuses happening on earth. And Bush has given them support in annexing even more land on the west bank thus guaranteeing endless war. The question is, would attacking Iran cause more trouble than letting them have the Bomb? This whole situation will be a good test of MMY prediction that we are on the brink of world peace due to the new pundit project. I like predictions as they either come true, or they don't... Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Some kind of caste system will always exist, whether its meritocracy or based on your family ties or on your birth chart or on personal wealth or on *something*. Usually, that *something* is several things combined, no matter what social conventions claim. The caste system in India pre-British was somewhat different than it was during the British rule or post-British. WHich was better? How do you define better? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Zero Year Curse is over?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Zero Year Curse is over?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mysticaluniverse.com/index/Everest_Climbers/zyc/zyc.html Reagan, it appears, has broken the curse. He had Sidhas in the family :-) Baby-G junior? http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/96/383/15835_Bush.html http://www.prophecywatcher.com/bush.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Some kind of caste system will always exist, whether its meritocracy or based on your family ties or on your birth chart or on personal wealth or on *something*. Usually, that *something* is several things combined, no matter what social conventions claim. The caste system in India pre-British was somewhat different than it was during the British rule or post-British. WHich was better? How do you define better? Interesting, but I couldn't help but notice that you didn't really answer the question. You tried to divert the subject into nitpicking about the caste system itself. So, once more -- do YOU personally believe that the Indian caste system is a good system, and a valid one? (You can have a different answer for pre-British rule and post-British rule if you'd like.) If you believe it *is* a good system, and based on valid principles, please explain what you think those principles are. Thanks. P.S. I'm not picking on you personally here, Lawson. I'm just pointing out what happens a *LOT* when someone asks people to express an opinion on a subject on which Maharishi's opinion is controversial. All too often, they hem and haw and hedge their bets and *fail* to say what *they* believe one way or another. I think it's a wimpy-assed thing to do, is all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Absolutely, looks like we'll have to wait and see... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Absolutely, looks like we'll have to wait and see... I have to back up one step and challenge the thought-stopper, Only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure. I don't agree with that statement. I *fervently* hope that it's a failure, and is perceived as one as soon as possible. My reasons for thinking this way are that I have never seen *any* indications that a bunch of pundits chanting, no matter how many of them there are, can affect the conditions of life for anyone on this planet. And yet, the TMO continues to piss away millions and millions and millions of dollars on projects that *claim* to be producing more and more of these pundits. So far, very little can be shown to have resulted from all of this money spent. The TMO can't produce very many of the actual pundits themselves, and they can't produce any research that says that the ones who do exist have changed diddleysquat in the world since they've been chanting. So it's a very *pragmatic* and *practical* thing on my part to hope that EITHER 1) proof of the pundit's effectiveness is forthcoming, and soon, OR 2) the pundit project is recognized as the dismal failure it is, and the money that is being pissed away on it is diverted to more productive ends, such as helping more people to learn TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Absolutely, looks like we'll have to wait and see... I have to back up one step and challenge the thought-stopper, Only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure. I don't agree with that statement. I *fervently* hope that it's a failure, and is perceived as one as soon as possible. My reasons for thinking this way are that I have never seen *any* indications that a bunch of pundits chanting, no matter how many of them there are, can affect the conditions of life for anyone on this planet. Just because you fail to experience or cognize a correlation does not mean there isn't one. Are you willing to bet the world on that you are right and other people, such as HH MMY, is wrong in their cognizing and experiencing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: A key ally with an important voice in the debate is Israel, whose leadership has warned for years that it viewed any attempt by Iran to begin enriching uranium as a point of no return. I was told by several officials that the White House's interest in preventing an Israeli attack on a Muslim country, which would provoke a backlash across the region, was a factor in its decision to begin the current operational planning. In a speech in Cleveland on March 20th, President Bush depicted Ahmadinejad's hostility toward Israel as a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace. He added, I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel. See http://tinyurl.com/hyfsf The hypocrisy here makes me vomit, as if Israel are doing anyhting to help world peace! There treatment of the palestinians is one of the worst human rights abuses happening on earth. And Bush has given them support in annexing even more land on the west bank thus guaranteeing endless war. The question is, would attacking Iran cause more trouble than letting them have the Bomb? This whole situation will be a good test of MMY prediction that we are on the brink of world peace due to the new pundit project. I like predictions as they either come true, or they don't... Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Yeah, you'll be proven wrong in all your mindless babbling about Israel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- sparaig wrote: --- peterklutz wrote: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. Israel should beable to withstand any conventional attack, but at what cost? No-one survives a nuclear exchange unscathed. Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. Where did you read that - Al Jazeera dot com? On 7 September 1997, the CBS newsmagazine Sixty Minutes broadcast an alarming story in which former Russian National Security Adviser Aleksandr Lebed claimed that the Russian military had lost track of more than 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, any one of which could kill up to 100,000 people. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. White womenk, too, I am sure.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Absolutely, looks like we'll have to wait and see... I have to back up one step and challenge the thought-stopper, Only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure. I don't agree with that statement. I *fervently* hope that it's a failure, and is perceived as one as soon as possible. My reasons for thinking this way are that I have never seen *any* indications that a bunch of pundits chanting, no matter how many of them there are, can affect the conditions of life for anyone on this planet. Just because you fail to experience or cognize a correlation does not mean there isn't one. Are you willing to bet the world on that you are right and other people, such as HH MMY, is wrong in their cognizing and experiencing? Based on working with him directly for fourteen years, and on watching his predictions and proclamations in the decades since then, I would probably bet anything -- much less the world -- that if Maharishi says that X is true, it isn't. He just doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to seeing. In fact, he has a rather *dismal* record...very *little* of what he has predicted or pronounced over the years has ever come to pass. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Anyone care to lay a bet on the outcome? Nope, but only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure... Absolutely, looks like we'll have to wait and see... I have to back up one step and challenge the thought-stopper, Only a madman wants the pundit project to be a failure. I don't agree with that statement. I *fervently* hope that it's a failure, and is perceived as one as soon as possible. My reasons for thinking this way are that I have never seen *any* indications that a bunch of pundits chanting, no matter how many of them there are, can affect the conditions of life for anyone on this planet. Just because you fail to experience or cognize a correlation does not mean there isn't one. Are you willing to bet the world on that you are right and other people, such as HH MMY, is wrong in their cognizing and experiencing? Based on working with him directly for fourteen years, and on watching his predictions and proclamations in the decades since then, I would probably bet anything -- much less the world -- that if Maharishi says that X is true, it isn't. He just doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to seeing. In fact, he has a rather *dismal* record...very *little* of what he has predicted or pronounced over the years has ever come to pass. You may believe this or not, but there are people out there who probably understands the work of the TMO better than any the whining 'insiders' that seem to populate this list. I dare say so since what you are questioning here does not appear to be the succesful application of something but its applicability in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Of course, there's no evidence that "transcendence style meditation" has anything to do with TM.TM *is* a basic form of Shamatha (transcendence style meditation) using a mantra. There are hundreds of different types of of shamatha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. Or the classic example, Amos and Andy. The original actors on the radio show were white. When the show became so popular that it was ready to move to television, they did a talent search and found two black actors to play Amos and Andy on that show, which went on to gain one of the most loyal fan bases and some of the highest ratings in television history. Today, it's difficult if not impossible to find episodes of either the radio or the TV shows. They've become so politically incorrect that a huge piece of broadcast history is unavailable to the general public. And the reason is that some people set themselves up as knowing what is appropriate for the public to see and hear, and the public is so pussywhipped that they allow these petty tyrants to get away with it. As you can tell, I feel strongly about censorship, especially censorship of humor. In general, I think it is important to examine the motives of anyone, anywhere who claims that humor should be censored. Look into it, and 9 times out of 10 I think you'll find a person with an agenda, someone who considers himself *worthy* of deciding what's appropriate and what's not, and considers the general public *unworthy* of making those decisions for themselves. In other words, a tyrant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
In a message dated 4/15/06 1:03:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the ability of the State Oracle to "see" thefuture accurately. The Oracle in this case "saw"the end of Tibet as its people had known it, andno possibility of stopping it. Al Gore. America's state Oracle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
On Apr 14, 2006, at 7:52 PM, authfriend wrote: (I can hear Barry revving his engines now.) You just *can't* let it go, can you? If you can hear Barry revving his engines in your imagination before the poor guy has even said anything, you need to get a life. Have ever considered aversion therapy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) snip I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Or: That we all think the caste system is indefensible is a given, no debate necessary. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Anybody here *not* agree that the caste system is an affront to humanity? If so, I'll be *delighted* to debate them on that point. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. See, TMers (particularly me), according to Barry, are not allowed to express a personal opinion on ANYTHING. If they do, they are ipso facto attempting to dictate to others whatever that opinion advocates. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Right, it actually may *be* racist or demeaning. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. No, Barry, sorry, but you're once again taking your own bilious paranoid fantasies for reality. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Some kind of caste system will always exist, whether its meritocracy or based on your family ties or on your birth chart or on personal wealth or on *something*. Usually, that *something* is several things combined, no matter what social conventions claim. The caste system in India pre-British was somewhat different than it was during the British rule or post-British. WHich was better? How do you define better? Interesting, but I couldn't help but notice that you didn't really answer the question. You tried to divert the subject into nitpicking about the caste system itself. So, once more -- do YOU personally believe that the Indian caste system is a good system, and a valid one? (You can have a different answer for pre-British rule and post-British rule if you'd like.) If you believe it *is* a good system, and based on valid principles, please explain what you think those principles are. Thanks. P.S. I'm not picking on you personally here, Lawson. I'm just pointing out what happens a *LOT* when someone asks people to express an opinion on a subject on which Maharishi's opinion is controversial. All too often, they hem and haw and hedge their bets and *fail* to say what *they* believe one way or another. I think it's a wimpy-assed thing to do, is all. Actually, my opinion is based on... realizing that its a complex subject that even Hindus can't agree on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. Carroll O'Conner once commented that he was scared by the number of people who watched the show because they AGREED with archie... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Of course, there's no evidence that transcendence style meditation has anything to do with TM. TM *is* a basic form of Shamatha (transcendence style meditation) using a mantra. There are hundreds of different types of of shamatha. That might be, but the site I quoted seemed to almost get TM and then wandered off into the ozone. It will be interesting to see if the physiological changes are the same for whatever transcendence style meditation technique they test. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
On Apr 15, 2006, at 9:45 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Of course, there's no evidence that "transcendence style meditation" has anything to do with TM. TM *is* a basic form of Shamatha (transcendence style meditation) using a mantra. There are hundreds of different types of of shamatha.That might be, but the site I quoted seemed to almost "get" TM and then wandered off into the ozone. It will be interesting to see if the physiological changes are the same for whatever "transcendence style meditation" technique they test.I suggest you read "The Buddhist Tradition of Samatha: Methods for Refining and Examining Consciousness." Journal of Consciousness Studies, 6, No. 2-3, 1999. pp. 175-187. It is available at:http://alanwallace.org/Wallace-Samatha.pdfYou'll see the model of meditation does go quite a bit deeper and further, so one would expect the results will be different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. Hear, hear. That's my belief as well. The caste system is indefensible, a blight upon humanity. IMO satirizing a belief in it, using any means whatsoever, is not only legitimate but overdue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
On Apr 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men > can be all of the above, too. Or the classic example, Amos and Andy. The original actors on the radio show were white. When the show became so popular that it was ready to move to television, they did a talent search and found two black actors to play Amos and Andy on that show, which went on to gain one of the most loyal fan bases and some of the highest ratings in television history. Interesting, I didn't know that. Today, it's difficult if not impossible to find episodes of either the radio or the TV shows. They've become so politically incorrect that a huge piece of broadcast history is unavailable to the general public. And the reason is that some people set themselves up as knowing what is appropriate for the public to see and hear, and the public is so pussywhipped that they allow these petty tyrants to get away with it. Same thing with the 3 Stooges--much of their humor is pretty racist by today's standards, but was fine in the 50s. It should all be available as IMO it's one of the best ways for society to deal with it's racist past and finally move on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: snip Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. Where did you read that - Al Jazeera dot com? Uh, no, a post by Steve Clemons on TPM Cafe. See some quotes and a link at the end of this post. Not sure why you'd think that would be an Al Jazeera position. Seems to me the Al Jazeera position would be exactly the opposite. The context was criticism of the administration's fear-mongering, as opposed to Israel's purportedly more sensible perspective. That Israel is likely to attack Iran, so we need to do it first, is a talking point of Bush's supporters, so of course it has been given great prominence in the mainstream media. On 7 September 1997, the CBS newsmagazine Sixty Minutes broadcast an alarming story in which former Russian National Security Adviser Aleksandr Lebed claimed that the Russian military had lost track of more than 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, any one of which could kill up to 100,000 people. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html And the relevance of this to Israel's position on Iran's nuclear capabilities is what, exactly? From Clemons's post, titled U.S. War Planners Should Listen to Israel Regarding Iran: As I stated on Christopher Lydon's NPR show, Radio Open Source, tonight -- one of the take-aways from my recent Israel trip is that Israeli national security bureaucrats -- diplomats and generals -- have far greater confidence that there are numerous potential solutions to the growing Iran crisis short of bombing them in an invasive, hot attack. One of the issues that came up in many of the national security related discussions I had was that Israel has maintained and cultivated a very strong human intelligence network inside Iran. The two nations were close strategic allies 25 years ago -- and continue, in many behind-the-scenes ways, to communicate and possibly even to coordinate certain actions. It doesn't mean that Israel is ready to appease Iran's regional ambitions, but it does mean that I have witnessed far more worries about Iranian President Ahmadinejad's anti- Holocaust and anti-Israel rhetoric in the U.S. than I did in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Many serious Iran watchers in Israel think that chances are relatively high that internal developments will emerge in Iran to constrain Ahmadinejad's political options and political life Yes, those putting war plans together for Iran think carefully. We have botched so much already; don't repeat errors. And in this case, TALK TO THE ISRAELIS -- the ones responsible for national security there. I found their sensibilities on Iran to be remarkably well informed, nuanced, confident, and sensible. Nearly everyone I spoke to in Israel who ranged in political sympathies from the Likud right to Maretz left thought that the tone of the AIPAC conference had been too shrill and that Israel thought it wrong-headed and too impulsive to be engaged in saber-rattling with Iran at this stage. In the past, I've been occasionally critical of Israeli influence over U.S. decisionmakers when I felt that American and Israeli national security interests were not as convergent in some respective case as some argued. However, in this instance on Iran, Israel's national security thinkers and diplomats are on the side of logic -- and it is in American national interests to hear the Israeli position and consider the roots of their surprising position. Steven Clemons is Senior Fellow and Director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation and publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note. http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28567 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 7:52 PM, authfriend wrote: (I can hear Barry revving his engines now.) You just *can't* let it go, can you? If you can hear Barry revving his engines in your imagination before the poor guy has even said anything, you need to get a life. Ah, yes, poor Barry. As it happens, Barry was revving his engines about my views on a different topic, as we've seen all too clearly this morning. This only a few days after his latest public vow to ignore me (after the earlier one had collapsed in a matter of a few weeks). But I'll *guarantee* you that if someone had quoted my comment to which I was referring and Barry had seen it, he'd have posted a rant about it. Now, if I were Barry and you were me, I'd claim you were attempting to distract attention from Barry's racist parallel attempting to cast the Israelites as terrorists. But of course you would never do anything like that, would you? Have ever considered aversion therapy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. That it's poking fun at belief in the caste system is obvious. My comment referred to the lines concerning the cooking fires in the cabin and cows wandering around loose. I had thought *that* would be obvious, but apparently not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting 'Lost'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last Christmas my brother gave me a DVD set of the first season of the TV series 'Lost.' Evil bastard. It's a weird soap opera, but as addicting (and as revelatory) as any other soap opera, if you allow it to be. I allowed it to be. I have a weakness for soap operas because they tend to portray the reality of most people's everyday lives *much* more accurately than the great works do. The great works are all about pretense and trying to see nobility in the stupid shit we do; soap operas are about *accepting* the stupid shit we do, laughing at it, and thus learning a little from it. Besides, 'Lost' is a TV show for which the 'pitch' was probably something along the lines of, Well... it's basically 'Survivor' meets 'X Files'...we'll get them hooked on the basic concept in the first season, and then *really* fuck with their minds in the next seasons... Their marketing ploy worked, at least on me. I've been waiting with 'bated breath for the second season to run in France, and unfortunately need to keep waiting, cuz it doesn't seem to be on the horizon anytime soon. But it is showing in the US, for those of you who need a good addiction to add to your lives. Here's a good review of the series, from (of all places) Tricycle, a respected Buddhist periodical: http://tricycle.com/issues/editors_pick/1899-1.html The reviewer's book, Cinema Nirvana: Enlightenment Lessons from the Movies, sounds worth looking into, too... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: And the other thing was from the Course in Miracles about the difference between forgivness on the level of content and action on the level of form. Forgive in the heart and act natually on the level of form. Can you elaborate? Seems to me that forgiveness in the heart will have a profound influence on what actions ensue. BTW, if that was an attack, I'll just turn the other check, it's only email after all :-) It wasn't meant as an attack, but I admit it was aggressive humor. Thanks for your forbearance. Seems to me that forgiveness in the heart will have a profound influence on what actions ensue. Yup, but not necessarly Ghandi-like non-violence in a personal defense situation, is what I was clumsily trying to convey. And as far as the subtle interpretation of re-re-re-re translated scripture, I think that's taken far too literally. And that's what I was trying to show as well. Take the recent stir about the 'Gospel of Judas' - lots more than we thought we knew. And TorquoiseB, as far as the caste system - strongly against it. I think there are more chances for it's distortion for control purposes than even our flawed system. Think Vedic Surf ... u JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting 'Lost'
I've been watching this series again, and y'know the reviewer from Tricycle is right on...it really *IS* a spiritual series, and a *consciously* spiritual series at that. Its brilliance is that it managed to suck the general public in on the surface plot level, while on a more subtle level it gave them some very high dharma talks indeed. Nice series, highly recommended, and even friendly to the eyes. It's filmed on the Big Island of Hawaii, for those who have been there...one of the more beau- tiful spots on the planet. For the women Matthew Fox, Naveen Andrews and Josh Holloway provide bablicious eye candy. And for the guys, Evangeline Lilly and Yunjin Kim are both To Die For. :-) My favorite episode so far in this re-viewing is called 'Tabula Rasa.' Look up the term on Wikipedia to get an idea of the mindset of the creators of 'Lost.' They're interesting people. The series is, from one point of view, a mystical-adventure- soap opera that takes place in the Bardo. Everyone on the island has a past, and carries some baggage (samskaras) with them. But at the same time, they have been given a new chance to push the Reboot button, to leave the past behind them and Start Over. And Start Over is exactly what they get to do, every episode. :-) The mystery doesn't really ever resolve itself. Instead, it gets deeper and deeper. The writing reminds me of a line from the Tao Te Ching: From wonder into wonder life will open. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last Christmas my brother gave me a DVD set of the first season of the TV series 'Lost.' Evil bastard. It's a weird soap opera, but as addicting (and as revelatory) as any other soap opera, if you allow it to be. I allowed it to be. I have a weakness for soap operas because they tend to portray the reality of most people's everyday lives *much* more accurately than the great works do. The great works are all about pretense and trying to see nobility in the stupid shit we do; soap operas are about *accepting* the stupid shit we do, laughing at it, and thus learning a little from it. Besides, 'Lost' is a TV show for which the 'pitch' was probably something along the lines of, Well... it's basically 'Survivor' meets 'X Files'...we'll get them hooked on the basic concept in the first season, and then *really* fuck with their minds in the next seasons... Their marketing ploy worked, at least on me. I've been waiting with 'bated breath for the second season to run in France, and unfortunately need to keep waiting, cuz it doesn't seem to be on the horizon anytime soon. But it is showing in the US, for those of you who need a good addiction to add to your lives. Here's a good review of the series, from (of all places) Tricycle, a respected Buddhist periodical: http://tricycle.com/issues/editors_pick/1899-1.html The reviewer's book, Cinema Nirvana: Enlightenment Lessons from the Movies, sounds worth looking into, too... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: That it [the Onion article] was an effective satire [of the caste system] is obvious. Case closed. Well, since I'm not bound to live my life the way you think I should, I'll reopen it, in its own thread. :-) My wording was not well-crafted. I did not mean to imply that the thread or topic should be closed -- but rather we are not obligated to discuss something you feel we should (was the satire effective), and ignore all others (the different types of satire) -- because you deem them diversions. But since you raise the topic in its OWN thread, well that changes everything. :) I honestly believe that a lot of folks here ARE uncomfortable with the subject of the caste system coming up on this forum. And I think that the reason they're uncomfortable with this is that Maharishi *clearly* believes in it and supports it, and they're *embarrassed* by the fact that he believes in it. Well MMY says a lot of things that an employee and tight, close follower would and should feel uncomfortable with. Thats why a lot of people who were such, are no longer (close followers). I think the latter is a much larger group here, and in the world, is much larger that the former. So when you say a lot of people, its a bit odd to me -- its a relatively small group. Only a couple of weeks ago, someone posted a long quote of Maharishi's in which he not only supported the concept of the caste system, The BIG question is how various parties are defining the LABEL caste system. I think there are many different connotations and implications for the same word. Without clearly defining the what the words caste system means to then, people are discussing apples and oranges. Or apples and fish. In his MMY high level way -- a la its easier for people to learn the craft, business or professon of thier family -- and then they have more time for spiritual stuff. Thats basically HIS definition. He didn't say anything or support social discrimination, sub-castes, or even inter-caste marriage (which the vedas allow -- with guidelines). but tried to reinvent it and pretend that it was based on Jyotish, not inheritance. MMY said that-- based on jyotish? I thought that was a respondant who got a bit mixed-up about the use of a fairly obscure jyotish calculation. The subject sank like a stone, with very few people even stepping up to the plate to take a swing at it. As is the case with many topics. For eample, I think Iran being successful in processing weapons grade plutonium is quite important -- but I have not commented. No comment does not imply no interest. I noticed Ingegerd (I think) taking a stand against the caste system, and I think that Shemp has consistently taken a stand against it, but it didn't seem as if others wanted to deal with the subject much at all. Seems is the operative word. Seems to you is the key concept. Then, a couple of weeks later, the subject comes up again, this time in a parody article, and the response to it is a bunch of followup discussions that are basic- ally arguments about the relative political correct- ness of the parody's humor...nary a word on the subject of the parody itself. Like so many other good, worthy and interesting points. So is your point that the group is filled with dullards, slackers, apathetic skimmers, etc.? I just find all the aversion fascinating, that's all. Thats your mistake imo, that lack of comment on something you want to discuss, means that other readers are lacking or devious. Frankly, its often hard to make a worhty topic STICK here. (Though often effortless to have a silly topic STICK) If you are really interested in getting a discussion going on a topic, you (often) have to work at it. Like starting a new thread. Good start. But calling everyone pathetic retards (paraphrasing) is less of a good start. So what's YOUR feeling about the caste system, eh? Are you canadian now? Is there ANY validity to it, I think MMY's high level version of caste, as stated above, has some logic and common sense. And it is followed successfully by many families in the US and elsewhere. Without all the abberations of caste that you seem hung up on and which MMY did not endorse. or is it just another way that the current ruling elite of a nation finds a way to make sure that their children rule after them All parents want their kids to be successful. But just because a doctor mother and father want their med school kid to be successful, does not guarantee much. The kid has to perform and compete in a very competitive meritocracy. and that the currently-powerless are *kept* powerless? You have not made any case, other than rhetoric, to support this contention based on the MMY definition of caste system. I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Some kind of caste system will always exist, whether its meritocracy or based on your family ties or on your birth chart or on personal wealth or on *something*. Usually, that *something* is several things combined, no matter what social conventions claim. The caste system in India pre-British was somewhat different than it was during the British rule or post-British. WHich was better? How do you define better? Interesting, but I couldn't help but notice that you didn't really answer the question. You tried to divert the subject into nitpicking about the caste system itself. So, once more -- do YOU personally believe that the Indian caste system is a good system, and a valid one? (You can have a different answer for pre-British rule and post-British rule if you'd like.) If you believe it *is* a good system, and based on valid principles, please explain what you think those principles are. Thanks. P.S. I'm not picking on you personally here, Lawson. I'm just pointing out what happens a *LOT* when someone asks people to express an opinion on a subject on which Maharishi's opinion is controversial. All too often, they hem and haw and hedge their bets and *fail* to say what *they* believe one way or another. I think it's a wimpy-assed thing to do, is all. Worse yet are people who ask for comments on non-defined terms, then bash the person for not responding. Thats not only a wimpy-assed thing to do, its a dumb-ass thing to do. is all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. Hear, hear. That's my belief as well. The caste system is indefensible, a blight upon humanity. IMO satirizing a belief in it, using any means whatsoever, is not only legitimate but overdue. Which is what I am saying, and I beleive everyone is saying. But because we don't discuss things the way you want them discussed, we are either (paraphrasing) slackers, retards, racists, or classelitists. Or all. Barry world is a strange place dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. OK. So I am asking you. What does caste system mean to you. What are the specific attributes that you object to. And why do you object to them? Up until now, on this VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, as you have stated, all that you have done is bash a label. You have provided no substance to the debate. Thats seems to be a shame, if not a total cop-out on this VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. Or are you a member of a caste that gets to ask quesions but not answer them. or debate them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting 'Lost'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been watching this series again, and y'know the reviewer from Tricycle is right on...it really *IS* a spiritual series, and a *consciously* spiritual series at that. Or maybe thats a feel good justification for watching crap-TV. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
On Apr 15, 2006, at 10:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 7:52 PM, authfriend wrote: (I can hear Barry revving his engines now.) You just *can't* let it go, can you? If you can hear Barry revving his engines in your imagination before the poor guy has even said anything, you need to get a life. Ah, yes, poor Barry. As it happens, Barry was revving his engines about my views on a different topic, as we've seen all too clearly this morning. This only a few days after his latest public vow to ignore me (after the earlier one had collapsed in a matter of a few weeks). But I'll *guarantee* you that if someone had quoted my comment to which I was referring and Barry had seen it, he'd have posted a rant about it. Now, if I were Barry and you were me, I'd claim you were attempting to distract attention from Barry's racist parallel attempting to cast the Israelites as terrorists. But of course you would never do anything like that, would you? Considering I had not read any those posts, it's rather unlikely. If you're not pleased with Barry's performance in ignoring you, why don't you see if you can counter that with a longer period of non- response to his posts? Or try aversion therapy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. OK. So I am asking you. And I'm ignoring you. Life sucks sometimes, doesn't it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. Ah, the discussion MUST conform to Barry's way of wishing it to go. Its my football (thread) so you gotta play by my rules or I am going to take my football home. It seems to me you apitomize many characteristics of the caste system that you appear to dispise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. Ah, the discussion MUST conform to Barry's way of wishing it to go. Its my football (thread) so you gotta play by my rules or I am going to take my football home. It seems to me you apitomize many characteristics of the caste system that you appear to dispise. Whatever. From my point of view, you're bored and are trying to start an argument. I'm not bored, and am avoiding the argument. I think I've got the better deal... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
The operative word in your comment is the word system. We all position ourselves in society by our ability to deal with society and nature in general. We seek to improve our ability to do that by seeking not just enlightenment but education. By nature there then are castes (which I think is the point Maharishi is making). The system part is where the power holders seek to keep people from rising to take away their power. They tell people they can't rise above their caste but obviously people can. If the rich were the smartest then they would all be the ones graduating with honors from colleges and universities and the poor would be flunking out. Be we know that is not true as you will probably find more poor and middle income folks graduating with honors than the lazy rich kids. Currently we have a bunch in the world that would like to keep the scenario I just mentioned from happening by taking away the funding that makes it possible to rise above their caste or class as we call it in the west. They also seek to pay all labor even skilled and educated cheap wages. They are using all their weapons including their control of the media to try to make that happen. But they themselves are ignorant and karma dictates that because they've made a push to do this society will react in an equal and opposite reaction against them and probably too far a swing of the pendulum too. I was musing the other day what divine justice it would be if the first tenants of the detention camps that Halliburton is building here in the US would be the Halliburton executives themselves. ;-) TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course we are not bound to live our lives the way you think we ought to. Nope. That it [the Onion article] was an effective satire [of the caste system] is obvious. Case closed. Well, since I'm not bound to live my life the way you think I should, I'll reopen it, in its own thread. :-) I honestly believe that a lot of folks here ARE uncomfortable with the subject of the caste system coming up on this forum. And I think that the reason they're uncomfortable with this is that Maharishi *clearly* believes in it and supports it, and they're *embarrassed* by the fact that he believes in it. Only a couple of weeks ago, someone posted a long quote of Maharishi's in which he not only supported the concept of the caste system, but tried to reinvent it and pretend that it was based on Jyotish, not inheritance. The subject sank like a stone, with very few people even stepping up to the plate to take a swing at it. I noticed Ingegerd (I think) taking a stand against the caste system, and I think that Shemp has consistently taken a stand against it, but it didn't seem as if others wanted to deal with the subject much at all. Then, a couple of weeks later, the subject comes up again, this time in a parody article, and the response to it is a bunch of followup discussions that are basic- ally arguments about the relative political correct- ness of the parody's humor...nary a word on the subject of the parody itself. I just find all the aversion fascinating, that's all. So what's YOUR feeling about the caste system, eh? Is there ANY validity to it, or is it just another way that the current ruling elite of a nation finds a way to make sure that their children rule after them and that the currently-powerless are *kept* powerless? I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
On Apr 15, 2006, at 4:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:I think it's the latter. I don't think there areANY rational arguments that someone can come upwith to support the caste system. But that's justme...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advanceFrom: While the Gods Play by Alain Danielou. You'll also find out why the Maharishi wants to lay out cities like he does...The Castes (Varnä) MAN is a social animal, which is to say that the human species forms a whole, an organism, whose various cells have their own distinct functions. This is why the different lineages of mankind exist. The qualities and abilities of each improve over the generations so as to form an efficient, harmonious society that is capable of carrying out the role assigned to the human species in the plan of creation. In the same way that the different organs of the body have different functions, even though they originate in cells, so in the plan laid out for the species there exist particular lineages that are more adapted to certain functions and whose abilities, once they are recognized, encouraged, and developed, become hereditary. Each human grouping, each race, each family, must seek to uphold its integrity, to improve its particular speciality, and to play the social role corresponding to its nature, and above all else to preserve and transmit its own special genetic and cultural heritage. Our virtues are to a great extent transmissible, being connected to aspects of character that can be inherited. This is why they must be cultivated and improved so that we may play our role to the full in the brief span of our existence. There is thus for everyone a "natural law" (Dharmä) that regulates the use and development of mental and physical characteristics, inherited at birth, together with the gift of life itself, so that we may play to the full our part in the evolution of our lineage. Ancestor worship involves above all else the respect and transmission of our double heritage, genetic and cultural. Each being is born unique. In the almost infinite number of possible combinations of the elements that constitute the living being, it is beyond belief that the same arrangement could be repeated, that two beings could be absolutely identical, with the same nature, appearance, function, and station; nevertheless, the human types defined by heredity can be classified. In order to achieve his physical and spiritual destiny, each individual must establish his basis; determine the class to which he belongs, the duties and qualities inherent in that class, and its unique characteristics so that he may make them productive; and, eventually, go beyond them. Everyone must achieve the perfection of a social or exterior role before he can perfect his personal or interior role. The two roles can be vastly different and even contradictory; thus, we see that men from the artisan castes can earn their living in their humble professions and yet can at the same time be philosophers, holy men, and artists before whom kings and Brahmans bow with respect. The circumstances of our birth correspond to the level of development of our own lineage and to the conditions in which we can best progress. Each of the links in the lineage is found at a particular stage of the evolution of that species‑in its youth, maturity, or decline. This is why individuals of different races are not at the same level in their evolution. There is no advantage to anyone in wanting to change one's situation or function, nor in wanting to perform the duties of another. Thus, except in very rare cases, one does not change one's sex, species, race, or caste during one's life. The external hierarchy of beings and things is often the opposite of the interior order. This is the reason why, during the Kali Yuga (the present world age), it is most desirable to be either woman or worker (Shudrä), for through mere humility and devotion to their role or work, these people can attain exterior perfection, which in turn permits the interior development that frees them from the weighty chains of life and leads them effortlessly toward the higher spheres of knowledge. The state of prince, or Brahman, noble and magnificent though it may seem, is disastrous in the dark age, for the discipline that they demand is so severe and the virtues so difficult that failure is almost certain. It is not at all by chance that for nearly the last thousand years, almost all the great mystic poets and holy men of India have been men of humble birth who could so easily free themselves from their social and ritual responsibilities and devote themselves to their inner life. An organic society can only exist on the basis of a division of powers and functions. With the appearance of urban societies at the dawn of the Kali Yuga, a system developed in India whereby the different groups were able to intermingle and collaborate; each
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. OK. So I am asking you. And I'm ignoring you. Life sucks sometimes, doesn't it. Which for me, is good thing. But you are the one that started this thread because you said it was so important to discuss. And you slammed all slackers, TB's and retards (in your view) on the list for not fully engaging in the topic you felt to be so important. So when someone asks you to actually provide some substantive discussion, you punt. Shutdown. Wow, you can't make this stuff up. I looked in the dictionary under hypocrite and it had your picture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
Continued from DanielouCoexistence EVERY society must make way for invaders and migrants. In this way, linguistic, religious, and professional groupings develop. These must be recognized and linked to the four principal groups, even while maintaining their separate identity, solidarity, and the means of defending their cultural uniqueness. Besides a few exceptional individuals, who are mutants and therefore tend to associate together in a kind of parallel society, the problems of individual freedom in relation to social order are the concern of groups rather than of individuals Every caste or ethnic, religious, or professional grouping Wilds to establish rules appropriate for itself, building up codes of behavior that cannot be generalized. Rules of morality that imply codes of honor regulate the activities of each group. If these rules are not followed, the groups self‑destruct. Immigrants belonging to a foreign culture will alter the social order if their autonomy is denied and they are forced to assimilate. The hierarchy of the caste system allows for the coexistence and collaboration of human groups even though they belong to different levels of evolution. Attempts to bring about equality are destructive of the individuality of the person and of the group. Coexistence demands respect for all the differences and varieties in human beings. In this sense, traditional Hindu society is fundamentally antiracist. It rejects the colonialization through assimilation that the current Indian government, infected by Western ideas, is using to assassinate the primitive tribes left over from the Satya Yuga and totally unable to adapt to the ways of life of the modern world. The government claims that these groups are the backward elements of a single population; but one cannot respect and protect the various human societies by refusing to acknowledge their very existence, autonomy, importance, rights, and uniqueness. Every group has its usefulness, a role to play in the balance of nature and society. The caste system tries to determine this role, stabilize it, and make it easier. The abilities, duties, virtues, and rules of each group are different: it is impossible to establish behavioral laws that would apply to all. A division into castes, whatever may be its defects, is essential to the smooth running of every society. If, as a consequence of ill‑considered intermingling, a society no longer has these distinct categories, they will tend to re‑form, slowly but inevitably, just as a wound heals over: the social framework is its own healer. According to the Manu Smriti, the codified laws of Manu, abilities and talents should then be the basis on which to reestablish castes. There is a similar idea behind the modern I.Q. tests. However, we do not have the established corporate bodies that could make these abilities productive and provide a way of life, security, and a social family for those oriented toward a particular vocation. All this is crucial for the well‑being of any society. The Western world's vanity (the implicit belief by which Westerners consider themselves a superior species) is revealed in its determination to impose upon all peoples its languages, beliefs, and social and moral concepts, in the belief that these represent progress. Those attached to Indian culture liken themselves to the Aryan Brahmans, whose rites they pretend to practice and whose codes of behavior they claim to follow. This has cut them off from the other brands of Indian tradition. The study of Shaiva tradition has been neglected to the point that most of the Westerners who claim to study India and its rites, customs, and knowledge have not even the slightest idea that there are other strands besides Vedic Brahmanism, even though it is these strands which are most suited to their own needs. Why does a Westerner who, at home, would study architecture, medicine, music, or perhaps astrology, alchemy, or magic, ignore the related fields which in India carry on similar traditions, with their particular initiations and rites, and which continue to teach the related religious and philosophic concepts? The few Westerners who have really been able to enter the Hindu world are those who have taken an interest in the study of the crafts (music in particular) and have been accepted into an artisanal group. Others, in investigating religious or magical practices, have been able to find a place for themselves in the Tantric world that has opened before them. Such was the case of Sir John Woodroffe for Tantrism or Verrier Elwyn for the Munda tribes. There are no exclusions in Shaivism and Tantrism concerning religious and ritual practices. Tiruvallur, the author of the Kural, the most venerated work in Tamil literature, was of very humble origins. He wrote: "All men are equal. The differences between them come about through their occupations . . . . Even today, a pariah who has undergone the Shaiva initiation (Shivädikshâ) can transmit it to
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Then, a couple of weeks later, the subject comes up again, this time in a parody article, and the response to it is a bunch of followup discussions that are basic- ally arguments about the relative political correct- ness of the parody's humor...nary a word on the subject of the parody itself. Like so many other good, worthy and interesting points. So is your point that the group is filled with dullards, slackers, apathetic skimmers, etc.? Heads up: The *only* reason Barry decided it was important to discuss the caste system is because he saw an opportunity to dump on me (and you) for *not* discussing it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing TO DISCUSS SUBSATANCE.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. Ah, the discussion MUST conform to Barry's way of wishing it to go. Its my football (thread) so you gotta play by my rules or I am going to take my football home. It seems to me you apitomize many characteristics of the caste system that you appear to dispise. Whatever. From my point of view, you're bored and are trying to start an argument. I'm not bored, and am avoiding the argument. I think I've got the better deal... :-) I am not trying to start an argument. I am responding to your call for substantive discussion. I don't have a POV onthe topic. I offered a few observations. I think you raised a good point -- people do feel uncomfortable with the topic. Not because many are TM TB's but because most of us have some interests and connections to India and Indian culture and caste system is a bit of a puzzle. Does it have any redeemng qualities is a fair and good question for discussion,IMO. That you do not care to discuss a question that you raised is quite odd, but I have come to expect that from you. And your absence from the discussion is bound to raise it to a higher level, absent your strong tendency to mischaracterize other's positons and imput dastardly motives for anyone exploring a position differing from yours. So thanks for raising the topic. And thanks for having the good sense of not participating and polluting it (with the above). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. To the contrary, I said I couldn't recall The Onion ever having demeaned Jews as a group or blacks as a group or Muslims as a group. You said you thought you recalled pieces along those lines but couldn't come up with any and brought forth a list of sitcoms and movies instead. Then I said (above) written satirical pieces and sitcoms/ movies are in different categories--and then you cited South Park, which was a non sequitur as far as I can tell. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. This is now so utterly confused and far from my original point that it's not worth trying to straighten out. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. You didn't address any of them. And you came up with yet another straw man above. Finis. If you aren't going to debate in good faith, forget it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: That it [the Onion article] was an effective satire [of the caste system] is obvious. Case closed. Well, since I'm not bound to live my life the way you think I should, I'll reopen it, in its own thread. :-) My wording was not well-crafted. I did not mean to imply that the thread or topic should be closed -- but rather we are not obligated to discuss something you feel we should (was the satire effective), and ignore all others (the different types of satire) -- because you deem them diversions. But since you raise the topic in its OWN thread, well that changes everything. :) I honestly believe that a lot of folks here ARE uncomfortable with the subject of the caste system coming up on this forum. And I think that the reason they're uncomfortable with this is that Maharishi *clearly* believes in it and supports it, and they're *embarrassed* by the fact that he believes in it. Well MMY says a lot of things that an employee and tight, close follower would and should feel uncomfortable with. Thats why a lot of people who were such, are no longer (close followers). I think the latter is a much larger group here, and in the world, is much larger that the former. So when you say a lot of people, its a bit odd to me -- its a relatively small group. Only a couple of weeks ago, someone posted a long quote of Maharishi's in which he not only supported the concept of the caste system, The BIG question is how various parties are defining the LABEL caste system. I think there are many different connotations and implications for the same word. Without clearly defining the what the words caste system means to then, people are discussing apples and oranges. Or apples and fish. In his MMY high level way -- a la its easier for people to learn the craft, business or professon of thier family -- and then they have more time for spiritual stuff. Thats basically HIS definition. He didn't say anything or support social discrimination, sub-castes, or even inter-caste marriage (which the vedas allow -- with guidelines). I tend to agree with anon on this one. What I recall of Maharishi saying about caste was just that, that society operates most efficiently when family dharmas are maintained. Does this provide huge potential for abuse? Of course. Look what has happened both in India and Britain where the class/caste system is used not to promote the well being of society, but to 'keep people in their place'. Really damaging stuff. On the other hand, what MMY is talking about in a practical way is really just common sense, that someone coming from a family of writers for example, may encounter a great difficulty in becoming an Indy 500 race car driver. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing TO DISCUSS SUBSTANCE.
Here are some links to provide some background and different POVs. http://www.brookings.edu/views/articles/toch/19991201.htm http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=6 http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/11/6/931 http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/11/news/dalit.php http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/genetics_and_identity/case.html http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm http://www.answers.com/topic/caste http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2101/Wells/Wells.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2005/04/20050426_b_main.asp https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/pi/pitchappan_profile.html http://www.dalitstan.org/holocaust/invasion/histgene.html http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226169634/104-1423200-8312725?v=glancen=283155 http://wps.prenhall.com/ca_ph_macionis_sociology_5/0,9516,1544047-content,00.html http://www.freeessays.cc/db/26/hsz102.shtml http://www.friesian.com/caste.htm http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring98/india.htm http://adaniel.tripod.com/castes.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/caste.html http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYZ/is_4_29/ai_95445135 http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Caste_System.htm http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/21st/projects/GeneticDiversity/jorde.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. But maybe I misread you. I don't have time to look for the quote Regardless, you are clarified your position. I To the contrary, I said I couldn't recall The Onion ever having demeaned Jews as a group or blacks as a group or Muslims as a group. You said you thought you recalled pieces along those lines but couldn't come up with any and brought forth a list of sitcoms and movies instead. Then I said (above) written satirical pieces and sitcoms/ movies are in different categories--and then you cited South Park, which was a non sequitur as far as I can tell. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. This is now so utterly confused and far from my original point that it's not worth trying to straighten out. There is confusion, it could be at many points of writing and understanding. But good. Lets drop it. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. You didn't address any of them. And you came up with yet another straw man above. If you say so.It was not my intent. And I don't see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. Nope, didn't. I never disagreed that equal-opportunity bashing was OK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. Nope, didn't. I never disagreed that equal-opportunity bashing was OK. Fine. But that is not the point I was saying I understood you to be making last night. Perhaps I misread you. So since we are in a huge web of miscommunication here, lets move on to other,perhaps more interesting topics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 6:28:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I see your initial question and this response as basically a nit- pick regarding my original post. No big deal- we'll see what happens soon enough... Nit Pick? You may see it that way, but I saw a serious allegation of the United States providing arms, including chemical weapons, to Saddam, to use against Iran, which was not true or at least not proven to be true. The only thing Saddam got from the United States of real military value was Satellite intelligence. Russia and France have provided the overwhelming majority of Saddam's military weaponry. But if anybody has any real proof, documented proof, that the US supplied Iraq with Gas or chemical weapon, I'll be happy to read it. Fair enough, but the real issue I was addressing was a poster's contention that we had been turning the other cheek with regard to Iran, which has NOT been the case... Funny how that was overlooked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
