[FairfieldLife] Hali koko hallitukselta! (Hug from the whole government!) :D
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200610155244437_uu.shtml Finnish Government has officially welcomed Amma. According to the local Amma representative, Mr Taavi Kassila (David Bagville) that's the first time that's happened in a Western country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious Turq. Are your posts intended to inpsire and uplift Judy? Are your posts a reflection of grace and dignity? I ask you becuase in several nice posts you tried to inspire us to do the above. I guess its that stupid consistency thing -- where A View is Any thought is good 'in the moment' but damn that thought if a day or two later 'I' get a different one that totally contracticts the 'great thoughts' of the prior day. Some people claim that is (towards) enlightenment. Some people say its signs of a petty, frivilous or unstable mind. And some people obviously believe that people who do not bow to the god of consistency are fair game for a putdown. As someone wisely said, Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. I wish you lots of fun with your favorite goblins this Halloween. :-) BUT, to home in on your first paragraph, yes, some- times my jibes *are* intended to present to Judy a different way of seeing her self, in the hope that someday she might be actually able to *see* her self in a different way than the way she clings to. It hasn't worked so far, but that's no excuse for not trying. :-) (Disturbing the peace and bothering the other folks here, on the other hand, *IS* a good excuse for not trying, so I'll try not to do so as much in the future.) The thing is, people just don't *respond* to posts that cause them to see things a different way than they're used to seeing them, *until they are ready to do so*. IMO, it's the reason Rory stopped banging his head against the wall here. He'd try to offer a different way of seeing things to people, and they would respond either by 1) using it as an opportunity to slam him, or 2) by ignoring the new point of view that he introduces and using it as a jumping-off point for arguing incessantly about their old, tired point of view. You vascillate between 1 and 2 IMO. I understand his decision to lay low until people are a little more ready and willing to consider different concepts and points of view other than the ones they have clung to for decades. Every so often I throw out a test post to see whether anyone is willing to discuss a point of view or model that is *completely* different than the ones they are used to repeating over and over and over, ad infinitum. I made one of those posts yesterday. I did so because someone who doesn't post here often made a few comments on Gangaji that suggested to me that he was approaching the mystery of his time with her in a rather limited fashion, trying to squeeze the round peg of his exper- iences with her into the square hole of hypnosis. From my experience, I suggested another way of looking at the same experiences, one that *is* (IMO) uplifting and positive, and neither worshipful nor cynical. No one replied, except for a passing mention from Curtis, before diving back into his existing way of looking at such phenomena. So it goes. I do one of these serious posts every so often, just to see whether anyone *will* reply, and we can have some fun discussing something new. In recent months, the only person who does with some regularity is Tom. That may just indicate that we're both just crazies who appreciate each others' brand of craziness, but it's nice every so often to see that someone *notices* that a slightly different paradigm has been introduced. The reason I'm mentioning this is that you seem to have this goal of getting me into a head-to-head with you, and treating you as if you have a formidable intellect that I should enjoy interacting with. But from *my* point of view, usually all you do is blather on about the same old same old, concepts that you've thought about and argued about for decades. I rarely see any indication that you are actually open to different ways of seeing the same situations. If I'm wrong about this, read message #118509 and reply in good faith and I'll give you the head-to- head discussion you are obviously so desperate for. But PLEASE stop trying to goad me into the same old tired discussions just because you're not tired of them yet. Repetition may be the mother of retention and all that, but dude, some of us out there are not *interested* in retaining old, tired concepts and discussing them endlessly. We're more interested in finding new ones, even if they're only new to *us*, and having fun with *different* ways of looking at things. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scandal hits Gangaji
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip So they are by definition to me of equal value. It is just that I had to learn about the absolute value and experience it in a reliable way in this lifetime, so it has greater value this time around, but from a generic point of view they are equal. Or they are not two things, but one thing, and saying they are equal misses that IT is. Brahman is not the relative. Brahman is not the Absolute. Brahman is not both the relative and the Absolute. Brahman is not neither the relative nor the Absolute. --Nagarjuna But a hit on a unfiltered Camel is divine. Nisargadatta? opps, yes, that is whom I meant. Heavy smoker and sold cigs for a living, as I understand. Do you see that as a contradiction for someone established in Being? It appears to be, but that's more a concept held by the mind than anything to do with Being. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:35 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:15 PM, new.morning wrote: OK, thanks. The mac pro is less expensive than a similar Dell. Surprising, I want to study it more. But still, in the benchmarks, other aticle, a two core gateway killed the four core Mac running windows apps. Still not a contest yet. I've not seen that and it sounds incongruous with benchmarks and articles I've read--or you're most likely reading or misinterpeting something. New Mac systems, running XP, run apps as fast or faster than a comparable wintel machine. In Mac OS X, similar operations run faster in Mac OS X in Universal Apps. Non universal apps will take a performance cut. In fact the first article I sent had the following quote: I am drawing from the first article you sent me. The gateway apears to be one dual core right? Thats what I see from reading the Dell spec page. Am i missing something. It does seem odd to run a benchmark of a 2-core vs 4 core machine buit that appears to be wht they did. The AMC pro is two dual cores right? I'm not at home right now, but I do believe one of the PC's was a dual core IIRC. So even if the performance is equal, a two core PC is as good as a 4-core MAC running the came Win aps under windows. That is no contest then. An equivalent test of a 4 core PC would thusly kill a 4 core MAC running win apps under windows. And in this http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macpro.ars/7 It shows a bout a 10-20% hit when a MAC pro runs a program under its OS vs under windows. So presumably, there is some overhead in the windows emulator. A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. Secondly, in the June edition of Macworld, they test equivalent PC systems running XP Pro with Macs of the same config booted for XP Pro. The results are nearly identical, although some prcoesses in Microsoft Office were slightly faster on the Mac. So the real answer seems to be, that XP on equivalent systems run about the same. Also note these were on the very initial release of Boot Camp and the very first Mac Intel LAPTOPS (not desktops). As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). Sowhile I might consider a mac if similarly priced and if it gave similar peformance for 2x2 MAc against a 2x2 PC, both running windows apps under windows, that seems far from the current case. And as I said, the real questions is a 2x2 comparision of 64 bit, multi-processor optimized win apps running under Vista. I keep my mind open, but if the MAC PRO is so far behind now that a single dual core PC can equal its performance, I have small hopes that it can catch up, particularly in the 64-bit mutilprocessor optimized software / vista environment. But I am sure in your True-Believer MAC ways, you will find some logic to graps to to see MAC as breaking ahead from so far behind. :) As I pointed out above, they run the same. Keep in mind on native Mac- intel apps, these will and do run faster than XP in almost all cases. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small compatibility layer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Vaj wrote:A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. Secondly, in the June edition of Macworld, they test equivalent PC systems running XP Pro with Macs of the same config booted for XP Pro. The results are nearly identical, although some prcoesses in Microsoft Office were slightly faster on the Mac. So the real answer seems to be, that XP on equivalent systems run about the same. Also note these were on the very initial release of Boot Camp and the very first Mac Intel LAPTOPS (not desktops). As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). http://www.macworld.com/2006/04/firstlooks/xpbenchmarks/index.php __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:12 AM, new.morning wrote:I don't know. Can it? If so that would be great. It's already been done (Vista has been run on Intel Macs). Boot Camp will need to be updated however for support from it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: NBC11.com - News - High School's Club Called 'Religion,' 'Cult' By Parents
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nbc11.com/news/10073567/detail.html Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. Oh look... someone read the Joe Kill it! website (suggestibility.org) and tossed out a TNB talking point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. I have no interest in dual booting, but I'm very curious to see the performance numbers with Parallels Workstation virtual machine software. I know that Windows ran like crap on PowerPC Macs running emulation, but a kick-ass VM on Intel Macs might possibly entice me to make the switch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] NEWS from COURSE
From someone Subject: 14th October latest news from 15th October 2006 USA Dear Friends, So much ahs happened since I last e-mailed you, I hardly know where to start! We had just heard then that yet again the US Embassy had refused visas for the Pandits, and Maharishi had just declare that we were to complete this project alone as he wanted to now take more time in silence to enliven That system of life that will govern life, that will administer life in favor of all positivity, no negativity, and all that we say leading to - invincibility of every Nation. No more meetings with MMY or so we thought. But the following week suddenly we were all called out in the middle of our morning programme MMY was on the line! Since then we and the Invincible America Programme participants have been connecting to him everyday. All I can say is that he must have done some fast enlivening of that fine level of administration because everything suddenly exploded into action. Here it all is point by point: Currently we have over 1,200 flying here. With 51 new flyers joining us a few days ago, and 200 more coming soon on the next free Sidhi Course. 100 applications to the Programme have been accepted from outside USA, and are being given scholarships which is now $600 a month good news thanks to the huge generosity of Howard Settle who funding this whole project at one million dollars a month. 1,800 have now registered for the Program and so more will be coming over the next weeks and months as they move to Fairfield. But our current1,200 has been enough, John Hagelin said, to affect the deserving power of US which is now being blessed with remarkable changes arising from stirring the deepest level of organizing power. 12th Oct was the 75th day of the course and John is compiling a list of these changes. Amongst them was: a saving of $200 billion dollars estimated damage costs of the predicted severest ever hurricane season. Thanks to the course not one hurricane touched USA baffling all the weather experts! The stock market has BOOMED again against all expectation by over 1,000 points unheard of before! USA business and corporates have boomed adding one and a half trillion dollars to the USA economy, with a 10% rise in all markets. And so it goes on . But the most amazing, sudden, inexplicable change was in the US Embassy in India. They changed their minds and have decided to grant visas to 2,000 Indian pandits to come here to Vedic City. They have even set up the Embassy on Emergency stations so they can fulfil this promise as fast as possible. Starting last week, our Pandits are going 50 a day to the Embassy, and this will continue until all 2,000 are through. Each of them is telling the Embassy that they are going to US to create Invincibility for the Nation. It seems the Embassy staff are completely sold out on the idea and totally awed by the depth of peace and gentleness of these young men. The pandits are aged from 20 to early 30's. They are considered senior pandits with 8 to 10 years experience. Once here, apart from their Sidhi Progamme, they will be doing yagyas, for individual, businesses and for America as a Nation. This, on top of the fact that we will then be way, way, over the Super-radiance number means we should all be glued to the newspapers and news service expect BIG changes in USA. And most definitely we all wait to see how this will affect the coming USA elections. As John put it: the new Government will be blessed with the hidden, unseen, support of natural law which will be the true ruler of the country. Yeah! When are they coming? Once they have received their visas they will visit their families for a week before coming here to USA for a the 2 years permitted by the visa. There are already plans for a continuous programme of renewing their pandits so the numbers will remain constant. They will fly in batches to Chicago airport and be brought here by coach, with their cooks, starting in about 2 weeks. And where are they going to stay? As you know Mother Divine are in the Domes designed for 500 pandits. They started planning packing! But the following day Maharishi told Mayor Wynne that Mother Divine is to stay put and a new campus is to be built for the Pandits giving Mayor Wynne about three weeks to change a hundred-acre field of sunflowers, in the north-west corner of Vedic City, into a fully functioning campus for 2,000 pandits! Can he do it? Well, this is America! They put up homes and a huge new programme Hall in 3 weeks for the 8,000 folks in the Utopia course so Mayor Wynne seems to be contracting every service technician in Iowa (electricians, plumbers, painters etc) to be on hand ready for the first houses to arrive. Right now the bulldozers are out laying the way for sewerage pipes, roads etc. The factory which built our houses is also now set up on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. I have no interest in dual booting, but I'm very curious to see the performance numbers with Parallels Workstation virtual machine software. I know that Windows ran like crap on PowerPC Macs running emulation, but a kick-ass VM on Intel Macs might possibly entice me to make the switch. There is a modest speed loss, it runs at about 90% of native speed. And you can run ANY Windows OS (Win 2000 for example). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scandal hits Gangaji
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip The way all of this makes sense to me is both the absolute and relative 'pieces' of existence are equal, because it is through the relative that I can perceive the absolute, Which implies, if i understand you, that you need a nervous system, a refinedone at that, to percieve the absolute. Dr. Pete strenuously disagrees. Someone is misprecieving whats going on. The relationship between what Peter says and what I have said is that I need my eyes to see (Jim), but I can only see if my eyes are open (Peter). I don't see how that addreses peters contention that a nervous system is not necessary to percieve the absolute, that refinement of the nervous system has nothing to do with perceiving Pure Consciousness. Hi, Peter will have to continue this if he wants to. What I argue is that you can't build a conceptual model of the mechanics of Self realization using concepts grounded in waking state. Self realization understood through waking state concepts is usually a useful fiction used to facilitate your commitment to a particular spiritual practice. Once realization has occured the fiction is automatically dropped because it no longer has any meaning. I also argue that pure consciousness is not dependent upon any relative aspect of existence (e.g., a nervous system) to experience its own nature. Consciousness is supportless. Consciousness is the support, as it were, of all relative existence. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Just curious Turq. Are your posts intended to inpsire and uplift Judy? Are your posts a reflection of grace and dignity? I ask you becuase in several nice posts you tried to inspire us to do the above. I guess its that stupid consistency thing -- where A View is Any thought is good 'in the moment' but damn that thought if a day or two later 'I' get a different one that totally contracticts the 'great thoughts' of the prior day. Some people claim that is (towards) enlightenment. Some people say its signs of a petty, frivilous or unstable mind. And some people obviously believe that people who do not bow to the god of consistency are fair game for a putdown. As someone wisely said, Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. I wish you lots of fun with your favorite goblins this Halloween. :-) Actually, what Emerson actually said in Sef-Reliance, one of my favorite essays, is A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. You may think that i)making an emphatic appeal one day that posts should be dignified, graceful, and aim to uplift the poster, and then ii) shyte all over a poster the next day -- has no relationship and its only a Foolish consistentcy -- then more power to you in your glorious POV and philosophy. I hope it serves you well. I don't find such a foolish consistency but an major inconsistency of an intellect taking a vaction. See below post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118575 BUT, to home in on your first paragraph, yes, some- times But a minority of times it appears. Mostly it appears to be meere spite and malice. Surely you can do better Turq. my jibes *are* intended to present to Judy a different way of seeing her self, in the hope that someday she might be actually able to *see* her self in a different way than the way she clings to. It hasn't worked so far, but that's no excuse for not trying. :-) (Disturbing the peace and bothering the other folks here, on the other hand, *IS* a good excuse for not trying, so I'll try not to do so as much in the future.) There we go! The thing is, people just don't *respond* to posts that cause them to see things a different way than they're used to seeing them, *until they are ready to do so*. So why be such a head to wall-banger? IMO, it's the reason Rory stopped banging his head against the wall here. He'd try to offer a different way of seeing things to people, and they would respond either by 1) using it as an opportunity to slam him, or 2) by ignoring the new point of view that he introduces and using it as a jumping-off point for arguing incessantly about their old, tired point of view. Its quite a huge leap between pointing out another point of view, and trying ot force poeple to adopt that view -- and being highly disappointed, even angry and spiteful, when they don't. That appears to be your MO. Not very productive for you or the one needing mind-alteration. You vascillate between 1 and 2 IMO. Thank you for your opinons of what you think I am doing. Actually, my interactions with Rory go way back before you joined the list. You caught the tail end when my approach to continued obfuscation and diversion became more creative. A main aim in my posts is to point out logical, cognitive and/or factual errors as a means to share a differnt POV for them to consider. While its not solely charitable, I do it as an exercise for myself. I find it brings greater clarity as to the subtle nature of many such errors, and makes me more aware and able to avoid them in my own life and thinking. I understand his decision to lay low until people are a little more ready and willing to consider different concepts and points of view other than the ones they have clung to for decades. Every so often I throw out a test post to see whether anyone is willing to discuss a point of view or model that is *completely* different than the ones they are used to repeating over and over and over, ad infinitum. many of use are using models quite different from the ones we had 30 years ago. The difference between us and you perhaps is most of us don't try to jam such views down others throats, nor to we pout and carry on wehn our POVs are not immediately embraced by others -- and others don't proclaim how wise and clever we are. ButI wish you well on your chosen path. I made one of those posts yesterday. I did so because someone who doesn't post here often made a few comments on Gangaji that suggested to me that he was approaching the mystery of his time with her in a rather limited fashion, trying to squeeze the round peg of his exper- iences with her into the square hole of hypnosis. From my experience, I suggested another way of looking at the same experiences, one that *is* (IMO)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. This effect is well known in therapy where the recognition of the authority of the therapist is a factor. In my view it is not just the teacher doing something to you, like hypnotizing you.. Ericksonian hypnosis invites you to alter the way you converse with yourself internally. The client enters into deeper levels of trance through their own power, not from the hypnotist's power. The hypnotherapist is a facilitator of the person accessing their own depth of trance state necessary to accomplish the goal of the session. If you had a room full of people who did not have the intention to play ball you would get superficial results. Take a room full of the press in the room with MMY. I don't think any of the skeptics in the room come away with a profound sense that they were in the room with a great saint or even a powerful man. But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Your explanation proposes a mechanics via the concept of the aura to describe it. I would view it as a predictable result of the language pattern used, coupled by the subject's willingness to go along with the process, and a long habit of accessing deep trance states. I don't mean this to minimize the experience as just a trance. I am just using the language of one system in the context of the other. Switching sides I might phrase it that in the presence of MMY, a person becomes aware of their own inner unbounded Self and finds it easy to access their own pure consciousness and their true nature. But in the system of hypnosis the assumptions contained in that phrase are dropped. I think that both the traditional view of what is going on, and the information from hypnotherapists is useful in understanding such phenomenon. There too worlds have been held apart by suspicions on both sides of the fence. It is also a result of people having superficial experiences with meditation or the deeper states of hypnosis. But when you have deep experiences of both, the overlap becomes much more obvious. These are unusual (for most people) mental states when they are experienced profoundly, and I think there is a lot to be learned by combining data. The fact that the formal language structure used in hypnosis, is also used by many spiritual teachers has important implications. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Just curious Turq. Are your posts intended to inpsire and uplift Judy? Are your posts a reflection of grace and dignity? I ask you becuase in several nice posts you tried to inspire us to do the above. I guess its that stupid consistency thing -- where A View is Any thought is good 'in the moment' but damn that thought if a day or two later 'I' get a different one that totally contracticts the 'great thoughts' of the prior day. Some people claim that is (towards) enlightenment. Some people say its signs of a petty, frivilous or unstable mind. And some people obviously believe that people who do not bow to the god of consistency are fair game for a putdown. As someone wisely said, Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. I wish you lots of fun with your favorite goblins this Halloween. :-) BUT, to home in on your first paragraph, yes, some- times my jibes *are* intended to present to Judy a different way of seeing her self, in the hope that someday she might be actually able to *see* her self in a different way than the way she clings to. It hasn't worked so far, but that's no excuse for not trying. :-) (Disturbing the peace and bothering the other folks here, on the other hand, *IS* a good excuse for not trying, so I'll try not to do so as much in the future.) The thing is, people just don't *respond* to posts that cause them to see things a different way than they're used to seeing them, *until they are ready to do so*. IMO, it's the reason Rory stopped banging his head against the wall here. He'd try to offer a different way of seeing things to people, and they would respond either by 1) using it as an opportunity to slam him, or 2) by ignoring the new point of view that he introduces and using it as a jumping-off point for arguing incessantly about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scandal hits Gangaji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opps, yes, that is whom I meant. Heavy smoker and sold cigs for a living, as I understand. Do you see that as a contradiction for someone established in Being? It appears to be, but that's more a concept held by the mind than anything to do with Being. Oh, dear, doctor peter, Is that a concept held in your mind? Or do you feel that your self-proclaimed mind reading skills are beyond the mind? (Mindless perhaps, I agree.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Does a Rock Experience PC?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Peter will have to continue this if he wants to. I also argue that pure consciousness is not dependent upon any relative aspect of existence (e.g., a nervous system) to experience its own nature. Consciousness is supportless. Consciousness is the support, as it were, of all relative existence. You further argued, in context of above, that refinement of the nervous system and improved brain functioning have NOTHING to do with enlightenment. It ain's so folks was your sign-off I believe. Thats an intersting perspective, one we discussed at length a year or so ago. Where I left it was, paraphrasing, It SEEMS, like experiencing PC has nothing to do with individuality, icluding refined nervous system, PC seems to be only experience itself, but it may be a cognitive error. Later, having been thinking about your concept, I wrote several posts, pointing out some potential flaws -- such as then why does not a rock experience PC. Even though PC is experience PC everywhere, including the PC substratum of the rock, the rock still does not experience it. As far as we know :). It appears to take some refinement of a NS to pick up that reflection. And I simply pointed out that two self-proclaimed enlightened have quite different view, perceptions of this thing. Jim say he needs the relative to experience the absolute. You appear to say that your experience of PC has nothing tto do with anyting relative, including your nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So am I. One reason i hang around here is I pick up new ideas, models, and info. Someday you should actually trot one out. Until then, you can talk with yourself. You must be used to it by now. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small compatibility layer. Please pass on any results for that you find. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Shannon Dickson's earthquake experience
Hey Rick, The Power just came back on (10pm here) after being down across the whole state for 15 hours! It was a really strong quake and I was watching a football game on TV at 7 am and the picture above my bedroom TV flew off the wall and landed on my bed and the whole house started rumbling and rolling and it sounded like those tripod machines in the Tom Cruise movie 'War of the Worlds' :-). I grabbed Peanut and dashed outside and saw all the drawers in the kitchen cabinets fly open. Once in the driveway the trees were dancing like mad and the house seemed like it was sliding sideways and my knees buckled as it felt like I was riding a surfboard down a big wave on my driveway! A large quake like this makes your stomach feel nauseous for quite some time as it seems to do a number on your inner ear and equilibrium. Lauri Clegg got that same really queasy feeling too. Anyway, all is fine. I built this house very sturdily 8 years ago out of reinforced concrete and rebar all on a 3 foot thick structural fill so the whole house would float as one piece and not break up in a quake. I can't see any cracks yet so it looks like it passed with flying colors. My next door neighbor lost some windows and her doors got jammed. I haven't had a chance to catch up on any news yet as the TV just came back on. Thanks for asking. Take care, Shannon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits Gangaji)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Re darshan: Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts the responsibility and the impetus for self realization where it belongs, in the lap of the *seeker*, not the teacher. Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason [MMY] keeps himself aloof is that he has no darshan to give? The further away he keeps people, the longer it takes them to figure it out. The closer he keeps them (the skinboys, for example), the sooner they figure it out and beat feet. --Barry, post #118682 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: So am I. One reason i hang around here is I pick up new ideas, models, and info. Someday you should actually trot one out. Until then, you can talk with yourself. You must be used to it by now. :-) Turq, I want to deeply thank you for the most graceful and dignified post. It is truely uplifting and inspiring. What a wonderful encouragment to start my day with. You indeed are truely pure satvic soul of vast grace, dignity and wisdom. We are all quite blessed with your presence here. On FFL and on Earth itself. Even the universe thrills to your waves of wisdom andv piercing insight. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: A couple of things, first of all, this is NOT emulation. With emulation there is no contest, as emulation is VERY slow. I have no interest in dual booting, but I'm very curious to see the performance numbers with Parallels Workstation virtual machine software. I know that Windows ran like crap on PowerPC Macs running emulation, but a kick-ass VM on Intel Macs might possibly entice me to make the switch. W.INE I.s N.ot an E.mulator... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NBC11.com - News - High School's Club Called 'Religion,' 'Cult' By Parents
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: http://www.nbc11.com/news/10073567/detail.html Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. Oh look... someone read the Joe Kill it! website (suggestibility.org) and tossed out a TNB talking point. Is that Joe Maharishi MIsread My Mind Killit? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. You do realize that the Mac Pro is TWO dual cores, not one quad core, right? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits Gangaji)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Re darshan: Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts the responsibility and the impetus for self realization where it belongs, in the lap of the *seeker*, not the teacher. Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason [MMY] keeps himself aloof is that he has no darshan to give? The further away he keeps people, the longer it takes them to figure it out. The closer he keeps them (the skinboys, for example), the sooner they figure it out and beat feet. --Barry, post #118682 You must feel that there is an inconsistency here. I don't. In that post, I was using the term darshan because it was already being used in the thread, if I remember correctly. The *subjective* experience is the same whether one believes that the teacher is giving darshan or whether one believes that the effect one feels is due to recognition. In either case, in my experience, Maharishi ain't got what it takes. So the closer one works with him over a long period of time, the sooner one might figure that out. The further away one stays, the longer one can believe in *either* darshan *or* him being someone with whom one could benefit from recognition. I have no *problem* with inconsistency, as you are the first to point out. But I wasn't being inconsistent here. Try again. And if you can't find an actual example, you can always call me a phony again. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't explain the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. You do realize that the Mac Pro is TWO dual cores, not one quad core, right? Yes, of course. And its (MAC Pro) performance, per the article you sent me, appears only as good as a Dell single dual core cpu (=2 cores). Thus my questioning of how good the Macpro, with TWO dual core CPUs (= 4 cores) actually is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. With all due respect, I think you've missed the point. Authority has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. What the teacher in question *says* has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. I am discussing the subjective experience of shifting states of awareness, which can be present whether or not one *knows* that one is in the presence of a teacher, whether or not the teacher speaks a work, and whether or not one expects it. This effect is well known in therapy where the recognition of the authority of the therapist is a factor. But you're still talking about WORDS, dude. I'm not. The phenomena I am discussing would happen whether or not the teacher in question remained silent the entire time, and whether or not you acknowledged the person as any kind of authority. It happens merely as a result of being in close proximity. In my view it is not just the teacher doing something to you, like hypnotizing you.. Ericksonian hypnosis invites you to alter the way you converse with yourself internally. The client enters into deeper levels of trance through their own power, not from the hypnotist's power. The hypnotherapist is a facilitator of the person accessing their own depth of trance state necessary to accomplish the goal of the session. What if the session has no goal? What if you happened to meet someone in a bar, had a conversation with them, with nothing spiritual ever being discussed, and left, only to find that your state of attention had changed radically and that now you were capable of psychic powers that you weren't before, psychic powers that were never discussed? Where is the suggestion in such an interaction? What was the goal of such an interaction? What was its method, if hypnosis was involved? What you saw was what you got -- two guys having tea in a hotel bar, discussing the weather and other such stuff. And yet, the shift of attention took place anyway. If you had a room full of people who did not have the intention to play ball you would get superficial results. We must agree to disagree. I have been in the situation I describe above, and many others in which there was no hint of suggestion of any kind. Your model simply does not work for me because it does not cover a great number of the interactions I have had with interesting beings and the effect those interactions had on my state of attention. But mine does. So I'm gonna stick with my recognition model, and I wish you well with your hypnosis model. Take a room full of the press in the room with MMY. Bad example. I neither consider Maharishi enlightened nor capable of shifting people's attention. I don't think any of the skeptics in the room come away with a profound sense that they were in the room with a great saint or even a powerful man. I would agree, but this doesn't have anything to do with them being skeptics. Maharishi just isn't that powerful or enlightened, dude. :-) In my opinion and in my sub- jective experience, of course. But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Indeed, many people mood make such experiences with him, but I don't file such experiences in the same category as the phenomenon I am speaking about. I don't feel that Maharishi is capable either of hypnotising an audience or of having a profound effect on them *other* than via moodmaking. Your explanation proposes a mechanics via the concept of the aura to describe it. That's the idea, yes. I would view it as a predictable result of the language pattern used, coupled by the subject's willingness to go along with the process, and a long habit of accessing deep trance states. And how do you explain the phenomenon I am speaking about happening to me many times when the teacher in question never said a word? I walked in, sat in a completely quiet room with someone I'd never met before for a couple of hours, and walked out in a radically different state of attention. I did not *expect* this to happen; in fact I was expecting *nothing* to happen. But it did. My theory covers such an eventuality, whereas I don't think yours does. I don't mean this to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: So am I. One reason i hang around here is I pick up new ideas, models, and info. Someday you should actually trot one out. Until then, you can talk with yourself. You must be used to it by now. :-) Turq, I want to deeply thank you for the most graceful and dignified post. It is truely uplifting and inspiring. What a wonderful encouragment to start my day with. You indeed are truely pure satvic soul of vast grace, dignity and wisdom. We are all quite blessed with your presence here. On FFL and on Earth itself. Even the universe thrills to your waves of wisdom andv piercing insight. Dude, if you're so proud of your *own* sattva, grace, dignity and wisdom, why did you delete the post I am referring to above? You know the one, former post #118690, the one in which you replied to a legitimate request for discussion with another round of putdowns. Pissants is as pissants does, I guess... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better). great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though.What software would you like to see? I think the Worldbench 5 test is a good overall indicator as it tests 15 applications in 13 different scenarios.That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro onlyequaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent.Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small "compatibility layer". Please pass on any results for that you find. It's kinda moot at this point because basically all the articles I've seen say the same thing, XP runs the same or slightly to moderately faster on Mac Intels with the beta version of Boot Camp. I thought I'd heard of another Boot Camp type app that will optimize gaming more specifically for Mac Intels, but I forget he details as gaming does not generally appeal to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: So am I. One reason i hang around here is I pick up new ideas, models, and info. Someday you should actually trot one out. Until then, you can talk with yourself. You must be used to it by now. :-) Turq, I want to deeply thank you for the most graceful and dignified post. It is truely uplifting and inspiring. What a wonderful encouragment to start my day with. You indeed are truely pure satvic soul of vast grace, dignity and wisdom. We are all quite blessed with your presence here. On FFL and on Earth itself. Even the universe thrills to your waves of wisdom andv piercing insight. Dude, if you're so proud of your *own* sattva, grace, dignity and wisdom, Um , i missed that one. why did you delete the post I am referring to above? You know the one, former post #118690, I corrected some errors, and reposted it 3 minutes after the original If Yaoho hasn't post it yet, talk to them perhaps. the one in which you replied to a legitimate request for discussion Sorry, as i said, that topic didn't interst me much. Are you always insistant that people discuss what you want to? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NEWS from COURSE
Thanks for sharing this! A very uplifting message- very lively and grounded at the same time. Really reflects a level of excitement in world consciousness that I haven't seen before, backed up with facts- absent is the strong wannabe flavor of previous pronouncements. This is truly great news. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From someone Subject: 14th October latest news from 15th October 2006 USA Dear Friends, So much ahs happened since I last e-mailed you, I hardly know where to start! We had just heard then that yet again the US Embassy had refused visas for the Pandits, and Maharishi had just declare that we were to complete this project alone as he wanted to now take more time in silence to enliven That system of life that will govern life, that will administer life in favor of all positivity, no negativity, and all that we say leading to - invincibility of every Nation. No more meetings with MMY or so we thought. But the following week suddenly we were all called out in the middle of our morning programme MMY was on the line! Since then we and the Invincible America Programme participants have been connecting to him everyday. All I can say is that he must have done some fast enlivening of that fine level of administration because everything suddenly exploded into action. Here it all is point by point: Currently we have over 1,200 flying here. With 51 new flyers joining us a few days ago, and 200 more coming soon on the next free Sidhi Course. 100 applications to the Programme have been accepted from outside USA, and are being given scholarships which is now $600 a month good news thanks to the huge generosity of Howard Settle who funding this whole project at one million dollars a month. 1,800 have now registered for the Program and so more will be coming over the next weeks and months as they move to Fairfield. But our current1,200 has been enough, John Hagelin said, to affect the deserving power of US which is now being blessed with remarkable changes arising from stirring the deepest level of organizing power. 12th Oct was the 75th day of the course and John is compiling a list of these changes. Amongst them was: a saving of $200 billion dollars estimated damage costs of the predicted severest ever hurricane season. Thanks to the course not one hurricane touched USA baffling all the weather experts! The stock market has BOOMED again against all expectation by over 1,000 points unheard of before! USA business and corporates have boomed adding one and a half trillion dollars to the USA economy, with a 10% rise in all markets. And so it goes on . But the most amazing, sudden, inexplicable change was in the US Embassy in India. They changed their minds and have decided to grant visas to 2,000 Indian pandits to come here to Vedic City. They have even set up the Embassy on Emergency stations so they can fulfil this promise as fast as possible. Starting last week, our Pandits are going 50 a day to the Embassy, and this will continue until all 2,000 are through. Each of them is telling the Embassy that they are going to US to create Invincibility for the Nation. It seems the Embassy staff are completely sold out on the idea and totally awed by the depth of peace and gentleness of these young men. The pandits are aged from 20 to early 30's. They are considered senior pandits with 8 to 10 years experience. Once here, apart from their Sidhi Progamme, they will be doing yagyas, for individual, businesses and for America as a Nation. This, on top of the fact that we will then be way, way, over the Super-radiance number means we should all be glued to the newspapers and news service expect BIG changes in USA. And most definitely we all wait to see how this will affect the coming USA elections. As John put it: the new Government will be blessed with the hidden, unseen, support of natural law which will be the true ruler of the country. Yeah! When are they coming? Once they have received their visas they will visit their families for a week before coming here to USA for a the 2 years permitted by the visa. There are already plans for a continuous programme of renewing their pandits so the numbers will remain constant. They will fly in batches to Chicago airport and be brought here by coach, with their cooks, starting in about 2 weeks. And where are they going to stay? As you know Mother Divine are in the Domes designed for 500 pandits. They started planning packing! But the following day Maharishi told Mayor Wynne that Mother Divine is to stay put and a new campus is to be built for the Pandits giving Mayor Wynne about three weeks to change a hundred-acre field of sunflowers, in the north-west corner of Vedic City,
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Dude, if you're so proud of your *own* sattva, grace, dignity and wisdom, why did you delete the post I am referring to above? You know the one, former post #118690, the one in which you replied to a legitimate request for discussion with another round of putdowns. It was 118691, actually. And here's how Barry's legitimate request for discussion went: If I'm wrong about this, read message #118509 and reply in good faith and I'll give you the head-to- head discussion you are obviously so desperate for. But PLEASE stop trying to goad me into the same old tired discussions just because you're not tired of them yet. Repetition may be the mother of retention and all that, but dude, some of us out there are not *interested* in retaining old, tired concepts and discussing them endlessly. And new morning responded to this unbounded graciousness from Barry with a round of *putdowns*? Tsk, tsk, tsk. horselaugh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
TorquiseB writes: Snipped When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the part of you that *already* has access to these different states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura. Seeing these states of mind in another wakes up the same states of mind in the seeker. It's as if the seeker had forgotten that such levels of being awake were available to him, but now that he's run into them, living and breathing and laughing in front of him in the form of the teacher, he realizes that the *same* states of mind are within him, and available if he just chooses to access them. This is how I honestly think it works. I no longer believe in the darshan theory of empowerment. I think that that view, that the teacher does something to cause the awakening in the student, is completely understandable. That's how it *feels*, after all. You see the teacher and you get high. Therefore they must have done something to you. Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts the responsibility and the impetus for self realization where it belongs, in the lap of the *seeker*, not the teacher. It *allows* for there being a benefit in seeing saints and realized masters, but not in the sense that one goes to them hoping that they'll zap you somehow with woo-woo rays and provide a hit of enlightenment. If one operates under the assumption that the recog- nition theory adequately describes the mechanics of what happens when you sit satsang with or otherwise interact with a powerful teacher, you are less likely to fall into the cult ruts, projecting onto the teacher magical abilities to zap you into enlightenment. Or their negative counterpart, projecting onto them some ability to hypnotize large groups of people at will. Tom T: According to a friend who has a phd in cognitive learning the above has some validity. Those who have been on the path for some time and have done long times in meditation sooner or later bump up against the NOTHINGESS. Many just get scared and boogy others hang in and try to avoid the nothingness but kind of dance around it. If they hang in or through some other coaccident they eventually cognize this as the everything that IS. According to my friend, humans are put together so that they can only recognize something they have previously known before. Well nothingness is something most of us were not prepared for. Those who hang in sometimes just get it out of pure stubborness. Others get it from a teacher who is a living embodiment of the everythingess. Eventualy one can sometimes see that your experience is your understanding if you are willing to to just be OK with the nothingness. One time I heard Gangaji say, on a video, just be willing to be Nothing. That little mahavakya stuck in a loop that just kept going round and round for a day. All of a sudden I realized I didn't have to be willing to be nothing, I was nothing. Cool. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. This effect is well known in therapy where the recognition of the authority of the therapist is a factor. In my view it is not just the teacher doing something to you, like hypnotizing you.. Ericksonian hypnosis invites you to alter the way you converse with yourself internally. The client enters into deeper levels of trance through their own power, not from the hypnotist's power. The hypnotherapist is a facilitator of the person accessing their own depth of trance state necessary to accomplish the goal of the session. If you had a room full of people who did not have the intention to play ball you would get superficial results. Take a room full of the press in the room with MMY. I don't think any of the skeptics in the room come away with a profound sense that they were in the room with a great saint or even a powerful man. But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Your explanation proposes a mechanics via the concept of the aura to describe it. I would view it as a predictable result of the language pattern used, coupled by the subject's willingness to go along with the process, and a long habit of accessing deep trance states. I don't mean this to minimize the experience as just a trance. I am just using the language of one system in the context of the other. Switching sides I might phrase it that in the presence of MMY, a person becomes aware of their own inner unbounded Self and finds it easy to access their own pure consciousness and their true nature. But in the system of hypnosis the assumptions contained in that phrase are dropped. I think that both the traditional view of what is going on, and the information from hypnotherapists is useful in understanding such phenomenon. There too worlds have been held apart by suspicions on both sides of the fence. It is also a result of people having superficial experiences with meditation or the deeper states of hypnosis. But when you have deep experiences of both, the overlap becomes much more obvious. These are unusual (for most people) mental states when they are experienced profoundly, and I think there is a lot to be learned by combining data. The fact that the formal language structure used in hypnosis, is also used by many spiritual teachers has important implications. I have no problem with the switching language structures. Using the language of hyponosis how are things like non locality, remote viewing and astral projection explained? They can be tested for and have been. Waking state a self hypnosis, ok no problem. Awakening, self hypnosis, ok, no problem there either. I'm curious and haven't studied the folks you have JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phenomena I am discussing would happen whether or not the teacher in question remained silent the entire time, and whether or not you acknowledged the person as any kind of authority. It happens merely as a result of being in close proximity. Curtis, just as a followup, remember who you're talking to, Bozo the Clown. My theories are probably not worth the frontal lobes they're imprinted on. I'm certainly not trying to sell them to other clowns. :-) However, one of the reasons I like this particular theory is that it works equally well to explain the high or inspiration one gets sometimes from being close to people who are *not* spiritual teachers. The genesis of my recognition theory was an evening spent at one of the Lannan Lectures in Santa Fe a few years ago. (http://www.lannan.org/lf/audio/lannan-archives/) The speakers that night were Toni Morrison and Michael Ondaatje, both marvelous writers, but as different from one another in their personalities and in their approach to writing as it is possible to be. They each spoke eloquently and inspiringly, and at the end of the evening as I walked out, I realized that I was high as a kite. High in the *same* way that I used to feel after seeing Rama or some other spiritual teacher who had a lot of phwam! and could (I thought at the time) use their woo-woo rays to shift my state of attention radically. I was clearly in a different state of attention after the lecture than I had been before it. But this got me to thinkin', because as far as I know, neither Toni Morrison nor Michael Ondaatje was up there on stage giving darshan or doing anything with woo-woo rays to *get* me high or shift my state of attention. I also seriously doubt that they were performing any kind of hypnosis. So where did the shift *come from*? So I started pondering whether the high might come from *my* side, as a result of running into someone who had access to more states of attention than I did. I'm a writer, but not nearly as good an writer or as experienced an writer as these two; they spoke about and drew upon insights and states of mind that I hadn't yet discovered with regard to writing. And as I *recognized* these states of attention in them, the same states of attention began to wake up inside of me. Voila, a new theory of how darshan might really work. I'm still pretty happy with the overall theory. It explains for me most of the subjective experiences I had around charis- matic and powerful teachers, without the drawbacks I perceive in the darshan theory or the teacher is up there *doing* something to change your state of attention theory. Later, of course, I found references to this same theory of recognition in Tibetan Buddhism and other spiritual traditions, but my first discovery of the concept really was that night in Santa Fe. The fact that others in old spiritual traditions had thought of it long before I did doesn't really decrease for me the insight I had in stumbling upon it myself, but your mileage may vary. Anyway, I just wanted to follow up and say that I think it's just *fine* that you tend to interpret your own experiences in terms of hypnosis, and the altered states that can be achieved via hypnosis. All I'm saying is that that model really doesn't cover all the bases as far as my own personal experience goes. Someday it's possible that my recognition theory won't cover all the bases, either, and at that point I'll probably find another. Theories about How Things Work are just something one does to pass the time. They're enter- tainment, nothing more. One doesn't have to be a slave to them. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: If I'm wrong about this, read message #118509 and reply in good faith and I'll give you the head-to- head discussion you are obviously so desperate for. But PLEASE stop trying to goad me into the same old tired discussions There's a whole lotta goadin' goin' on. :) My take on all this is, fighting with others seems to be the force that gives Judy's life meaning. It validates her (in all the wrong ways, of course) and makes her feel important, and is something she apparently can do without much feeling for whoever happens to be her 'adversary' at any given moment. Hence the need or desire to pick fights whenever and wherever she can, even when it comes down to dissecting trivia. So while normally I don't respond, every now and then I get the feeling maybe it's possible to reach a better aspect of her, which it usually isn't, unfortunately, as the need to be the center of attention drives away all the others. Well, just musings. I still don't see how either of you have kept this going all these years. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Lords of Light
TorquoiseB writes snipped. I do one of these serious posts every so often, just to see whether anyone *will* reply, and we can have some fun discussing something new. In recent months, the only person who does with some regularity is Tom. That may just indicate that we're both just crazies who appreciate each others' brand of craziness, but it's nice every so often to see that someone *notices* that a slightly different paradigm has been introduced. Tom T: Of course we are both crazy as well as liars and phonies. In addition we both qualify for the A**hole of the month award. We have worked very hard for that award and deserve all of it. It is strange people like Barry and few others that keep me coming back. A strange brew we have concoted here, woe be to those who hang in these parts, your mind is being played (f**ked) with big time. HA!. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Indeed, many people mood make such experiences with him, but I don't file such experiences in the same category as the phenomenon I am speaking about. I don't feel that Maharishi is capable either of hypnotising an audience or of having a profound effect on them *other* than via moodmaking. Barry's experience is the *standard*, you see. If anybody has a different experience, it has to be because they're moodmaking. Peter and Rory, others of you who have had profound experiences in MMY's presence, you're all moodmaking, sorry. Barry says so. But don't let that make you feel you're being driven into silence. Barry's actually *supporting* you: The thing that astounds me is that some folks seem to feel that the personal experiences of others *have* to be responded to critically, or even negatively. Why? For me, for instance, I have *zero* instance in the sorts of things Rory was talking about; they don't map to my life at all. But I perceive that they are *his* experiences, that *he* considers them valuable, and that he is unafraid enough of the negative reaction that he *knows* by now he's going to get here to share them. That deserves a pat on the back and support from me, no matter how I feel about the content of what he's sharing. snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:09 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though. That doesn't explain the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. You do realize that the Mac Pro is TWO dual cores, not one quad core, right? Yes, of course. And its (MAC Pro) performance, per the article you sent me, appears only as good as a Dell single dual core cpu (=2 cores). Thus my questioning of how good the Macpro, with TWO dual core CPUs (= 4 cores) actually is. Without knowing the article in question and no direct quote, I have no idea. Like I said before, they roughly the same as regular Wintel machines. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems. Look next to the Falcon and there is the Gateway. Both have a single dual core cpu as far as I can see. Correct me if i am wrong. Both equaled more or less, the performance of the Two dual core (4 cores) of the MAC pro. Not very impressive for the MAC Pro. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Indeed, many people mood make such experiences with him, but I don't file such experiences in the same category as the phenomenon I am speaking about. I don't feel that Maharishi is capable either of hypnotising an audience or of having a profound effect on them *other* than via moodmaking. Barry's experience is the *standard*, you see. If anybody has a different experience, it has to be because they're moodmaking. Peter and Rory, others of you who have had profound experiences in MMY's presence, you're all moodmaking, sorry. Barry says so. But don't let that make you feel you're being driven into silence. Barry's actually *supporting* you: The thing that astounds me is that some folks seem to feel that the personal experiences of others *have* to be responded to critically, or even negatively. Why? For me, for instance, I have *zero* instance in the sorts of things Rory was talking about; they don't map to my life at all. But I perceive that they are *his* experiences, that *he* considers them valuable, and that he is unafraid enough of the negative reaction that he *knows* by now he's going to get here to share them. That deserves a pat on the back and support from me, no matter how I feel about the content of what he's sharing. snip Judy *really* doesn't like to be reminded of her lifetimes in the Inquisition, does she? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: If I'm wrong about this, read message #118509 and reply in good faith and I'll give you the head-to- head discussion you are obviously so desperate for. But PLEASE stop trying to goad me into the same old tired discussions There's a whole lotta goadin' goin' on. :) My take on all this is, fighting with others seems to be the force that gives Judy's life meaning. It validates her (in all the wrong ways, of course) and makes her feel important, and is something she apparently can do without much feeling for whoever happens to be her 'adversary' at any given moment. Hence the need or desire to pick fights whenever and wherever she can, even when it comes down to dissecting trivia. Apparently it hasn't occurred to you, Sal, that you've only seen me on only one electronic forum. I actually vastly prefer to have reasonable discussions with reasonable people of goodwill, which I do on other forums (and do with reasonable people of goodwill on *this* forum as well), and of course in real life. And even with the people here who are not reasonable and not of goodwill, I rarely pick the fights. In most cases I'm responding to one of them picking a fight with me. So while normally I don't respond, every now and then I get the feeling maybe it's possible to reach a better aspect of her, Oh, please. *Every single time* you've picked a fight with me, it's been on the basis of taking something I've said in the worst possible light and completely missing the point of what I've *actually* said. In my book, that's goading. It's exactly what Barry and Shemp do. which it usually isn't, unfortunately, as the need to be the center of attention drives away all the others. In your case, that would be the need to explain to you what I *actually* said and meant. Unfortunately, it never seems to work. Oh, wait, yes, it did *once*, and you responded with an apology. Don't know what was so different about that day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, just musings. I still don't see how either of you have kept this going all these years. Sal I tend to see the Barry/Judy or Judy/Barry thing simply as pollution; the undesirable byproduct of a basically life supporting but imperfect system, like car exhaust or a the smoky atmosphere in a friendly bar or club. I realize pollution is such a loaded word and I don't mean it judgementally, only that it reflects reality in the world- there are components we all have to tolerate and work through in order to enjoy everything else. So as I've said before, I have no problem with it- I read through it quickly just to check out the particulate matter. Other than that, I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. To me it is much more a phenomenon than a dialogue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
Turq, Excellent post, thanks for taking the time for a long one. I agree with you that the experiences you are describing are not explained by hypnosis, self-hypnosis or otherwise. You are right that my reference experiences for all things spiritual is MMY with a brief dabbling in New Age stuff at the end of my run. I had powerful darshon experiences with MMY and experiences where it all seemed to dry up and I was in the presence of an angry little man who radiated unpleasantness. I don't know how we can link any causal connection from the events you described. I shift states a lot in my life so it would be hard for me to pin down what had caused what. But you have spent time with a wide range of interesting teachers, as have some others on this group. I really enjoy hearing about experiences that are challenging to my world view. Since my view was hard earned, I don't shrug it off just because someone has a fascinating experience that I can't explain. I know my limits of understanding what is happening in life. There is all sorts of stuff I don't understand. I just do my best and then pick up my guitar. What I meant by not intending to minimize higher states by calling them trance states is that for me trance states are powerful states of mind that can produce amazing experiences. I don't believe that they have been explored enough to know the limits. I hold them in high regard and consider them valuable. They may be different ways of explaining the same thing as found in meditation states. I don't know. I get that you aren't trying to sell me on your point of view. Your post does remind me that there is lots of interesting stuff going on in this world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. With all due respect, I think you've missed the point. Authority has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. What the teacher in question *says* has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. I am discussing the subjective experience of shifting states of awareness, which can be present whether or not one *knows* that one is in the presence of a teacher, whether or not the teacher speaks a work, and whether or not one expects it. This effect is well known in therapy where the recognition of the authority of the therapist is a factor. But you're still talking about WORDS, dude. I'm not. The phenomena I am discussing would happen whether or not the teacher in question remained silent the entire time, and whether or not you acknowledged the person as any kind of authority. It happens merely as a result of being in close proximity. In my view it is not just the teacher doing something to you, like hypnotizing you.. Ericksonian hypnosis invites you to alter the way you converse with yourself internally. The client enters into deeper levels of trance through their own power, not from the hypnotist's power. The hypnotherapist is a facilitator of the person accessing their own depth of trance state necessary to accomplish the goal of the session. What if the session has no goal? What if you happened to meet someone in a bar, had a conversation with them, with nothing spiritual ever being discussed, and left, only to find that your state of attention had changed radically and that now you were capable of psychic powers that you weren't before, psychic powers that were never discussed? Where is the suggestion in such an interaction? What was the goal of such an interaction? What was its method, if hypnosis was involved? What you saw was what you got -- two guys having tea in a hotel bar, discussing the weather and other such stuff. And yet, the shift of attention took place anyway. If you had a room full of people who did not have the intention to play ball you would get superficial results. We must agree to disagree. I have been in the situation I describe above, and many others in which there was no hint of suggestion of any kind. Your model simply does not work for me because it does not cover a great number of the interactions I have had with interesting beings
[FairfieldLife] The values party
Interesting factoid from Paul Krugman's current column in the New York Times (no link because it's behind the Times's subscription wall): The current Congress has shown no inclination to investigate the Bush administration. Last year The Boston Globe offered an illuminating comparison: when Bill Clinton was president, the House took 140 hours of sworn testimony into whether Mr. Clinton had used the White House Christmas list to identify possible Democratic donors. But in 2004 and 2005, a House committee took only 12 hours of testimony on the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Quoted by Atrios on his blog Eschaton. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scandal hits Gangaji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wether a film is real or not real, the real issue is, that most of the movies created today aren't worth watching. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: And, just because something changes means it's therefore not real? Its not a real as something permanent. And you appear to view everything as changing. Its a view where identity continues with a new form. I tend to look at it differently. The carrot on my plate is no longer thre. You can continue to call it a carrot as it moves through my bowels, is processed in a sewage plant, and is scattered who knows where. i tend to say that THAT carrot not longer exists. For a few months it was here. Over the last6 billion years, most of the time it was not. Perhaps real is not the best word to descibe that. Unsubstantial? Not as substantial as a sequoia redwood. Or a glacier. Or the earth. Or the universe. And even all of those emerge then die. None as substantial as that which remains. I agree that substantial is a better word than real, but, are you equating substance with value? I.e., do you attach more value to that which changes less? 'Cuz IMO, the split-second smile of a child can be every bit as valuable as a mountain that has stood for millions of years. But that doesn't not mean i am anti-carrots. I love them. And I love films. Though I know they are an illusion. I love many things that come and go. Why would owning up to their impermanence have anything to do with not liking them? That you apparently find anyone who sees things as impermanent or an illusion as being anti- that thing is both surprising and interesting. Again, this goes back to the use of real. I think to declare the relative as unreal is to devalue it, and devaluing is, IMO, anti. And, I think devaluing the relative is what leads to toxic religious dogmas that declare our humanness to be sinful and that normal desires should be repressed. i understand your latter point. But to me, your arguement does not follow. Such zealots are making the same mistake as one who thinks that because a film is not real that it has no value and should be banned. Just because there are nut cases who might argue such things, doesn't diminish the fact that the film is a piece of celluloid in a canister --- and not really what it appears to be. And just because some realize that the film is not really what it appears to be, does not imply in any way that they hate films. Most film goers love films -- but still realize its limited nature. And while substantial is better than real it still is not the best word. And no, saying less substantial does not mean less value. Though valuations get tricky. Do you value one single bacteria cell as much as a giant sequoia? i don't, perhaps thats my shame to bear. :) And there is the capture the fort concept which to me still makes sense from some angles. Is the fort of greater value than one of many precious metal mines within the territory of the fort. (and this is a non-oppresive, diverse, and organic fort mind you). To say the fort has more value than one gold mine, does not ina any way imply that the gold mine is not fabulous. or that we don't love the gold mine. if some mentally-challenged religous zealot things so, that is no reason to be as irrational and say the gold mine and the fort are of equal value. Or that the gold mine has more value. Anyway, now that Rory has cognized the vedic correlates to the genitals, its all OK. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent.Which article? I posted quite a few at this point.The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems.[MAC PRO] falls just behind our class leaders, the Falcon NW Mach V (Core 2 Extreme) (4:08) and the Gateway FX510XT (4:22). http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2014488,00.aspthe Gateway FX510XT -- from link in your first article, above.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2010536,00.aspThe FX510XT boasts a new Intel Core 2 Extreme processor,http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2010790,00.aspClear now? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
I have no problem with the switching language structures. Using the language of hyponosis how are things like non locality, remote viewing and astral projection explained? They can be tested for and have been. Waking state a self hypnosis, ok no problem. Awakening, self hypnosis, ok, no problem there either. I'm curious and haven't studied the folks you have JohnY I was not aware that any of those phenomenon had been tested in a controlled setting with a professional magician present. I do know that no one collected James Randi's $100,000 for demonstrating that type of phenomenon. If you have any cool links to share I would like to read more. I don't deny that the mind may be capable of this stuff, it may well be true. Trance states might facilitate the experience. I am interested in reports of a mother's connection to her kids across space. I think that might be a good area to start to test ESP phenomenon. As far as the states reached in hypnotic techniques, I found them identical to what I had experienced in TM in my own experience. But I know it can be argued that I was just used to transcending. In my small group of therapists, who were in the hypnosis training with me, I was able to test if other people would have the type of experiences that I had through TM and sidhis through hypnosis. They would report very similar states of mind. The Chopra technique, which I think is also the old Age of Enlightenment technique is a fantastic induction and can produce some really interesting experiences in people who have never done TM. I also am aware of the criticism that just because the experiences sound alike it doesn't mean they are the same experience. But since I didn't have my pocket EEG with me I'll never know. I am not claiming to have rigorously tested anything. It just changed my ideas about the uniqueness of the experiences I had in TM. I'm sure I am not alone in this mini revelation! It seems as though many other meditators from other systems report similar experiences. TM's insistence on uniqueness seems like a marketing ploy. The bigger picture is that there are many fascinating states of mind gained through all sorts of practices spiritual and otherwise. Understanding it all is a long way off for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. This effect is well known in therapy where the recognition of the authority of the therapist is a factor. In my view it is not just the teacher doing something to you, like hypnotizing you.. Ericksonian hypnosis invites you to alter the way you converse with yourself internally. The client enters into deeper levels of trance through their own power, not from the hypnotist's power. The hypnotherapist is a facilitator of the person accessing their own depth of trance state necessary to accomplish the goal of the session. If you had a room full of people who did not have the intention to play ball you would get superficial results. Take a room full of the press in the room with MMY. I don't think any of the skeptics in the room come away with a profound sense that they were in the room with a great saint or even a powerful man. But people with a different mindset to have profound experiences. Your explanation proposes a mechanics via the concept of the aura to describe it. I would view it as a predictable result of the language pattern used, coupled by the subject's willingness to go along with the process, and a long habit of accessing deep trance states. I don't mean this to minimize the experience as just a trance. I am just using the language of one system in the context of the other. Switching sides I might phrase it that in the presence of MMY, a person becomes aware of their own inner unbounded Self and finds it easy to access their own pure consciousness and their true nature. But in the system of hypnosis the assumptions contained in that phrase are dropped. I think that both the traditional view of what is going on, and the information from hypnotherapists is useful in understanding such phenomenon. There too worlds have been held
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote: That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent. Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. The first one. Not sure what specifically you mean. I'll take a wild guess and assume you're talking about the Falcon Northwest Mach V with Core 2 Extreme? It's an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor and top of the line, I guess that's why they used it, not sure. I was more interested in side-by-side comparisons of virtually identical systems. Look next to the Falcon and there is the Gateway. Both have a single dual core cpu as far as I can see. Correct me if i am wrong. Both equaled more or less, the performance of the Two dual core (4 cores) of the MAC pro. Not very impressive for the MAC Pro. From what I read these are not Woodcrest but the "latest and greatest" Conroe processors (at least it is on the Falcon. According to reviews of the Falcon, it was supposed to be unbeatable for quite sometime. Well guess what, it's been beaten. So that's what it seems to be about, beating the leader in speed.See: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1985983,00.asp The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
Anyway, I just wanted to follow up and say that I think it's just *fine* that you tend to interpret your own experiences in terms of hypnosis, and the altered states that can be achieved via hypnosis. All I'm saying is that that model really doesn't cover all the bases as far as my own personal experience goes. Someday it's possible that my recognition theory won't cover all the bases, either, and at that point I'll probably find another. Theories about How Things Work are just something one does to pass the time. They're enter- tainment, nothing more. One doesn't have to be a slave to them. :-) Nice follow up. The states of mind we experience in the presence of other people is one of life's cool mysteries. I got a great buzz from talking with one of my music heroes, John Hammond and laying my CD on him. I think we have a bunch on interesting stuff programmed into our chimp brains when relating to an alpha in the room that we don't know too much about consciously. This doesn't apply to the experiences you described, but I thought I would throw that into the pile. Keep throwing your own points out there my brother, that why I am here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The phenomena I am discussing would happen whether or not the teacher in question remained silent the entire time, and whether or not you acknowledged the person as any kind of authority. It happens merely as a result of being in close proximity. Curtis, just as a followup, remember who you're talking to, Bozo the Clown. My theories are probably not worth the frontal lobes they're imprinted on. I'm certainly not trying to sell them to other clowns. :-) However, one of the reasons I like this particular theory is that it works equally well to explain the high or inspiration one gets sometimes from being close to people who are *not* spiritual teachers. The genesis of my recognition theory was an evening spent at one of the Lannan Lectures in Santa Fe a few years ago. (http://www.lannan.org/lf/audio/lannan-archives/) The speakers that night were Toni Morrison and Michael Ondaatje, both marvelous writers, but as different from one another in their personalities and in their approach to writing as it is possible to be. They each spoke eloquently and inspiringly, and at the end of the evening as I walked out, I realized that I was high as a kite. High in the *same* way that I used to feel after seeing Rama or some other spiritual teacher who had a lot of phwam! and could (I thought at the time) use their woo-woo rays to shift my state of attention radically. I was clearly in a different state of attention after the lecture than I had been before it. But this got me to thinkin', because as far as I know, neither Toni Morrison nor Michael Ondaatje was up there on stage giving darshan or doing anything with woo-woo rays to *get* me high or shift my state of attention. I also seriously doubt that they were performing any kind of hypnosis. So where did the shift *come from*? So I started pondering whether the high might come from *my* side, as a result of running into someone who had access to more states of attention than I did. I'm a writer, but not nearly as good an writer or as experienced an writer as these two; they spoke about and drew upon insights and states of mind that I hadn't yet discovered with regard to writing. And as I *recognized* these states of attention in them, the same states of attention began to wake up inside of me. Voila, a new theory of how darshan might really work. I'm still pretty happy with the overall theory. It explains for me most of the subjective experiences I had around charis- matic and powerful teachers, without the drawbacks I perceive in the darshan theory or the teacher is up there *doing* something to change your state of attention theory. Later, of course, I found references to this same theory of recognition in Tibetan Buddhism and other spiritual traditions, but my first discovery of the concept really was that night in Santa Fe. The fact that others in old spiritual traditions had thought of it long before I did doesn't really decrease for me the insight I had in stumbling upon it myself, but your mileage may vary. Anyway, I just wanted to follow up and say that I think it's just *fine* that you tend to interpret your own experiences in terms of hypnosis, and the altered states that can be achieved via hypnosis. All I'm saying is that that model really doesn't cover all the bases as far as my own personal experience goes. Someday it's possible that my recognition theory won't cover all the bases, either, and at that point I'll probably find another. Theories about How Things Work are just something one does to pass the time. They're enter- tainment, nothing more. One doesn't
Re: [FairfieldLife] The values party
On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:46 PM, authfriend wrote: Interesting factoid from Paul Krugman's current column in the New York Times (no link because it's behind the Times's subscription wall): It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Linda Rossi
Rick, Linda Rossi passed on this morning in California. She died of breast cancer. I don't know any other details but thought you, and perhaps others, would want to know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, new.morning wrote:.  The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.  Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition. And now back to the issue at hand, that a gateway single dual core apparently equaled or beat a Mac Pro with two dual core CPUS. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118730 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Don Schaefer's Whereabouts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Don Schaefer's Whereabouts on 10/16/06 10:09 AM, Christine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where Don Schaefer is? (not sure of the spelling of his last name) He's a sweet guy, an architect or something related to architecture. I'm not sure when he left Fairfield. We have Don's old phone #... and his sister Pat is looking for him and says it's an emergency. His sister's name is Pat and she lives in California and she really wants to reach her brother Don. If you know Don can pass along this message, please let me know as I have his sister's phone #. I think hes running the Portland, OR Peace Palace. I have Don Shaifer Acasa Building Systems Work address 808 W Washington Street Telephone Home: 641-472-0529 Work: 641-472-0390 Mobile: 641-781-0565 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without knowing the article in question and no direct quote, I have no idea. Like I said before, they roughly the same as regular Wintel machines. Not surprising. Traditionally, Apple has designed its own motherboards, but they didn't have time to in order to release the MacPro line this year, so they used Intel's designs. It's interesting to note that Apple actually uses a more powerfull MB design in the older G5 high-end macs,, but no currently available Intel CPU runs fast enough to handle it. Conversely, Intel could release a CPU that can handle the faster bus speed, but they haven't, yet. My money is on that one: Intel will release a 2:1 clockable CPU that works with Apple's motherboards, and in exchange for that Apple helps Intel design generic motherboards that can handle the new CPU. However, Apple gets to uses those motherboards *first* so it can regain its fastest workstation image. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I just wanted to follow up and say that I think it's just *fine* that you tend to interpret your own experiences in terms of hypnosis, and the altered states that can be achieved via hypnosis. All I'm saying is that that model really doesn't cover all the bases as far as my own personal experience goes. Someday it's possible that my recognition theory won't cover all the bases, either, and at that point I'll probably find another. Theories about How Things Work are just something one does to pass the time. They're enter- tainment, nothing more. One doesn't have to be a slave to them. :-) Nice follow up. The states of mind we experience in the presence of other people is one of life's cool mysteries. I got a great buzz from talking with one of my music heroes, John Hammond and laying my CD on him. Indeed. Such moments are opportunities. One of the teachers I knew used to say that one of the most effective ways to develop a characteristic or skill that one wants to have is to admire that same char- acteristic or skill in someone else. There may be something about just *focusing* on such qualities that enables them to grow in us. I think we have a bunch on interesting stuff programmed into our chimp brains when relating to an alpha in the room that we don't know too much about consciously. This doesn't apply to the experiences you described, but I thought I would throw that into the pile. Keep throwing your own points out there my brother, that why I am here. Me, too. More than one of my theories has bit the dust thanks to forums like this one. And that's neat. You probably remember how likely it was in the TMO to run into people who believed that they had most things All Figured Out. Imagine how *boring* that would be if it were true. Better, in my opinion, to become comfortable with knowing that you don't know shit, and that that situation is not likely to change. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, when I would have a higher states experience in the past, it would be like the shift of a tectonic plate within; one moment I'm...here, and the next I'm...there, with no clarity around how I got to 'there' from 'here'. So it could've been I was hypnotized or externally influenced somehow. And 'I' felt different; not quite myself. My experience now, with whatever I am moving from or to, is that the experience is wholly mine and I can review the transition in time, so that wherever I might go, be it transcending, asleep, champagne high, emotional envelopment, etc. there is no longer the wha' happened?!?!? accompaniment; I am always where I am. This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. Nice. This is a sort of non-sequitur, but what you said reminds me of a time in the Rama trip when we were studying dream yoga. There was a lot of work on becoming lucid (waking up in the dream and being able to control what happens in it), and after a while you got good at it, so that you no longer had to do anything to will lucidity; it just happened. And then I noticed that the lucidity was bleeding over into the waking state. I'd lay down to go to sleep and there was no longer any period of non- awareness. I'd just slip seamlessly from being lucid in the waking state to lucid in the dreaming state. I don't experience this that much these days, but it sure was fun at the time. As you said, waking or dreaming, it was always just me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Turq, I re-read your post about darshon with Gangaji to make sure I hadn't missed something. I think your view of darshon is pretty close to how I thought of it when I was involved in TM. I don't really see what you wrote as a new way of looking at it. I think many TM people who share the view that you are awakening to your own nature and the presence of the teacher is just an exposure to someone who knows themselves in that way. Once you have the assumption in place that you are in the presence of a person who is using more of their mind then you are, or in a more awakened state, you have one of the most powerful influences on suggestibility in place, authority. With all due respect, I think you've missed the point. "Authority" has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. What the teacher in question *says* has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am discussing. I am discussing the subjective experience of shifting states of awareness, which can be present whether or not one *knows* that one is in the presence of a teacher, whether or not the teacher speaks a work, and whether or not one expects it. This type of recognition or entering the teachers mandala are an important part of dzogchen/mahasandhi transmission in Tibetan Buddhism. In fact it is the beginning of that pathless path. The odd thing is non-dual recognition is in a very real sense, beyond the time and place you "receive" it. I had had formal transmission of the enlightened state from a number of high lamas before I actually had recognition but once the recognition occurred I realized it had always been going on. And actually the first time recognition dawned, it was outside the presence of the teacher who had transmitted it. Now it's obvious as I even approach any of these teachers (even from many miles away) that there is a unified presence around some teachers that makes the waking dimension into a waking mandala. And of course then you become your own mandala, it just naturally occurs. I see Darshan in the shaktipat sense as something entirely different. A different path altogether really.I also appreciate Rev. Curtis' comments of TM/manasika-japa being more the trance of hypnosis. Like some previous quotes from Dana Sawyer on TM not really being deep meditation I too found that the depth of transcendence was more of a shallow state compared to other, more complete methods. And of course TM is not the who mantrayana, it's just the beginning, so it's not a real surprise unless you're caught up in believing what you were told. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:21 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, new.morning wrote:.  The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.  Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition. And now back to the issue at hand, that a gateway single dual core apparently equaled or beat a Mac Pro with two dual core CPUS. It's what's already been discussed New Mourn: it's also a Conroe processor which is supposed to be the fastest of the fast. Not so impressive now, esp. when some of these Conroe processors are on high speed RAID arrays, and being compared to a slower single hard drive! I'm certainly impressed. Next time I want to do computations on the human genome or ray trace for Pixar on the side I'll consider buying one. :-) Obviously if a lowly Woodcrest proc can beat or be close to the fastest Conroe procs, that's saying something. But they are much more expensive! see http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1 __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
Jim, I sure never got a moodmaker vibe from you on this group! You are just folks to me my brother. I have been fascinated with yours and other people's experiences of big permanant shifts in your state of consciousness. I can't think of how hypnosis theory would add insight to this. I believe that the mind is capable of shifting into radically different styles of functioning and we are left to our own to figure out what it means. I would like to pursue this conversation, adding my own subjective experiences of my self, with a member of the grape family represented in both of our glasses! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip As far as the states reached in hypnotic techniques, I found them identical to what I had experienced in TM in my own experience. But I know it can be argued that I was just used to transcending. In my small group of therapists, who were in the hypnosis training with me, I was able to test if other people would have the type of experiences that I had through TM and sidhis through hypnosis. They would report very similar states of mind. snip Hi Curtis, an interesting discussion, to be sure. From a subjective standpoint I can say I experience 'higher states' of consciousness or just plain other states of consciousness very differently now than I used to. Let me preface this by saying I have never been prone to mood-making. In fact it kinda grosses me out and hurts when I see it, only because my heart hurts for those doing it, since it is fake, and I want them to genuinely feel what they are fakingvery much an E/Owww type of experience. Anyway, when I would have a higher states experience in the past, it would be like the shift of a tectonic plate within; one moment I'm...here, and the next I'm...there, with no clarity around how I got to 'there' from 'here'. So it could've been I was hypnotized or externally influenced somehow. And 'I' felt different; not quite myself. My experience now, with whatever I am moving from or to, is that the experience is wholly mine and I can review the transition in time, so that wherever I might go, be it transcending, asleep, champagne high, emotional envelopment, etc. there is no longer the wha' happened?!?!? accompaniment; I am always where I am. This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip have no problem with it- I read through it quickly just to check out the particulate matter. Other than that, I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. Not urging you to bother with anything you don't find of interest, but I'd suggest that if you aren't following the discussions fairly closely, you aren't really in a position to say whether there are any specific points and justifications. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This type of recognition or entering the teachers mandala are an important part of dzogchen/mahasandhi transmission in Tibetan Buddhism. In fact it is the beginning of that pathless path. The odd thing is non-dual recognition is in a very real sense, beyond the time and place you receive it. I had had formal transmission of the enlightened state from a number of high lamas before I actually had recognition but once the recognition occurred I realized it had always been going on. And actually the first time recognition dawned, it was outside the presence of the teacher who had transmitted it. Now it's obvious as I even approach any of these teachers (even from many miles away) that there is a unified presence around some teachers that makes the waking dimension into a waking mandala. And of course then you become your own mandala, it just naturally occurs. Nicely said. I see Darshan in the shaktipat sense as something entirely different. A different path altogether really. Me, too. There is an element of occult manipulation of energy about it that is not present in the more silent mandala-like presence of teachers such as the ones you are speaking about. In other words, I believe that it's certainly *possible* to zap someone with woo-woo rays, but that to me is at a much different level of teaching than the phenomena you mentioned. Some teachers can do both, but I've found that a lot of the teachers who are widely regarded as enlightened by those who get a hit in their presence are in my estimation just good at the shaktipat thang. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. I haven't had the same depth of experience, but this is true for me as well. As I told Curtis, there's an increasing *transparency*, but, as you say, all just me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I also appreciate Rev. Curtis' comments of TM/manasika-japa being more the trance of hypnosis. Like some previous quotes from Dana Sawyer on TM not really being deep meditation I too found that the depth of transcendence was more of a shallow state compared to other, more complete methods. And of course TM is not the who mantrayana, it's just the beginning, so it's not a real surprise unless you're caught up in believing what you were told. So where's the research on reduction in thalamic activity in these more complete meditation techniques? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: Snipped When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the part of you that *already* has access to these different states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura. Seeing these states of mind in another wakes up the same states of mind in the seeker. It's as if the seeker had forgotten that such levels of being awake were available to him, but now that he's run into them, living and breathing and laughing in front of him in the form of the teacher, he realizes that the *same* states of mind are within him, and available if he just chooses to access them. This is how I honestly think it works. I no longer believe in the darshan theory of empowerment. I think that that view, that the teacher does something to cause the awakening in the student, is completely understandable. That's how it *feels*, after all. You see the teacher and you get high. Therefore they must have done something to you. Why I prefer my recognition theory is because it puts the responsibility and the impetus for self realization where it belongs, in the lap of the *seeker*, not the teacher. It *allows* for there being a benefit in seeing saints and realized masters, but not in the sense that one goes to them hoping that they'll zap you somehow with woo-woo rays and provide a hit of enlightenment. If one operates under the assumption that the recog- nition theory adequately describes the mechanics of what happens when you sit satsang with or otherwise interact with a powerful teacher, you are less likely to fall into the cult ruts, projecting onto the teacher magical abilities to zap you into enlightenment. Or their negative counterpart, projecting onto them some ability to hypnotize large groups of people at will. Tom T: According to a friend who has a phd in cognitive learning the above has some validity. Those who have been on the path for some time and have done long times in meditation sooner or later bump up against the NOTHINGESS. Many just get scared and boogy others hang in and try to avoid the nothingness but kind of dance around it. If they hang in or through some other coaccident they eventually cognize this as the everything that IS. According to my friend, humans are put together so that they can only recognize something they have previously known before. Well nothingness is something most of us were not prepared for. Those who hang in sometimes just get it out of pure stubborness. Others get it from a teacher who is a living embodiment of the everythingess. Eventualy one can sometimes see that your experience is your understanding if you are willing to to just be OK with the nothingness. One time I heard Gangaji say, on a video, just be willing to be Nothing. That little mahavakya stuck in a loop that just kept going round and round for a day. All of a sudden I realized I didn't have to be willing to be nothing, I was nothing. Cool. Tom T My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon the unwillingness to be nothing, the fear of that... Sort of a continuous looking away. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:46 PM, authfriend wrote: Interesting factoid from Paul Krugman's current column in the New York Times (no link because it's behind the Times's subscription wall): It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ Terrific, thank you! Does he have Krugman's columns on a regular basis? I noticed he has Rich's column too. I've bookmarked the site. No way I'm going to shell out to the Times. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, I sure never got a moodmaker vibe from you on this group! You are just folks to me my brother. I have been fascinated with yours and other people's experiences of big permanant shifts in your state of consciousness. I can't think of how hypnosis theory would add insight to this. I believe that the mind is capable of shifting into radically different styles of functioning and we are left to our own to figure out what it means. I would like to pursue this conversation, adding my own subjective experiences of my self, with a member of the grape family represented in both of our glasses! Speaking of a member of the grape family (in terms of consciousness shifts, making us an 'offer' we can't refuse, right?), there's this little wine shop I recently discovered along with some really good wine-- one is a sauvignon blanc from DeSante, which has tropical accents- much more complex than your basic SB, and the other is a red zinfandel from Dogwood Cellars. Anyway if you bump up against either of these, they are worth a look... Tally Ho! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:21 PM, authfriend wrote: It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ Terrific, thank you! Does he have Krugman's columns on a regular basis? Sure does, as well as Maureen Dowd's, Rich's, which you saw, and also Bob Herbert's. I noticed he has Rich's column too. I've bookmarked the site. No way I'm going to shell out to the Times. Big mistake, IMO, when they decided to make it subscription only. I think they lost a lot of integrity by going that route. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
Re: Lords of Light --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I guess its that stupid consistency thing -- where A View is Any thought is good 'in the moment' but damn that thought if a day or two later 'I' get a different one that totally contracticts the 'great thoughts' of the prior day. Some people claim that is (towards) enlightenment. Some people say its signs of a petty, frivilous or unstable mind. As someone wisely said, Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. I wish you lots of fun with your favorite goblins this Halloween. :-) Actually, what Emerson actually said in Sef-Reliance, one of my favorite essays, is A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. You may think that i)making an emphatic appeal one day that posts should be dignified, graceful, and aim to uplift the poster, and then ii) shyte all over a poster the next day -- has no relationship and its only a Foolish consistentcy -- then more power to you in your glorious POV and philosophy. I hope it serves you well. I don't find such a foolish consistency but an major inconsistency of an intellect taking a vaction. See below post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118575 BUT, to home in on your first paragraph, yes, some- times But a minority of times it appears. Mostly it appears to be mere spite and malice. Surely you can do better Turq. my jibes *are* intended to present to Judy a different way of seeing her self, in the hope that someday she might be actually able to *see* her self in a different way than the way she clings to. It hasn't worked so far, but that's no excuse for not trying. :-) (Disturbing the peace and bothering the other folks here, on the other hand, *IS* a good excuse for not trying, so I'll try not to do so as much in the future.) There we go! The thing is, people just don't *respond* to posts that cause them to see things a different way than they're used to seeing them, *until they are ready to do so*. So why be such a head to wall-banger? IMO, it's the reason Rory stopped banging his head against the wall here. He'd try to offer a different way of seeing things to people, and they would respond either by 1) using it as an opportunity to slam him, or 2) by ignoring the new point of view that he introduces and using it as a jumping-off point for arguing incessantly about their old, tired point of view. Its quite a huge leap between pointing out another point of view, and trying ot force poeple to adopt that view -- and being highly disappointed, even angry and spiteful, when they don't. That appears to be your MO. Not very productive for you or the one needing mind-alteration. You vascillate between 1 and 2 IMO. Thank you for your opinons of what you think I am doing. Actually, my interactions with Rory go way back before you joined the list. You caught the tail end when my approach to continued obfuscation and diversion became more creative. A main aim in my posts is to point out logical, cognitive and/or factual errors as a means to share a differnt POV for them to consider. While its not solely charitable, I do it as an exercise for myself. I find it brings greater clarity as to the subtle nature of many such errors, and makes me more aware and able to avoid them in my own life and thinking. I understand his decision to lay low until people are a little more ready and willing to consider different concepts and points of view other than the ones they have clung to for decades. ... Many of use are using models quite different from the ones we had 30 years ago. The difference between us and you perhaps is most of us don't try to jam such views down others throats, nor to we pout and carry on wehn our POVs are not immediately embraced by others -- and others don't proclaim how wise and clever we are. ButI wish you well on your chosen path. I do one of these serious posts every so often, just to see whether anyone *will* reply, and we can have some fun discussing something new. And maybe your deep thoughts are not very intersting or profound as you think. Have you ever considered that other POV? And why are yous o disappointed at such. Or the response? Are you seeking and missing the applause? If so, yuo might want to consider such as a value, goal and sourse of motivation. And many posts go unresponded to. Many people read, I presume, and may go hmmm, but don't have time or don't have anything compelling to add, so they don't. Far better than thsoe who feel the need to comment on every post regardless of how compelling thier points may be. Its utterly fascinating that one one hand you are moaning that no one reponds to your posts, and then when I finally reposnd to one of your posts, a rarity, you moan that I had the audacity to respond to your posts. GO F*cking Figure! ... but it's nice every so often to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip have no problem with it- I read through it quickly just to check out the particulate matter. Other than that, I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. Not urging you to bother with anything you don't find of interest, but I'd suggest that if you aren't following the discussions fairly closely, you aren't really in a position to say whether there are any specific points and justifications. Its iconic is all, and with iconic phenomena, I tend to move from studying and listening closely, to surfing the flavor or essence of what is going on, and to me what is going on between you and Barry transcends any specific points you or he have made, and becomes more the phenomenon of the two of you constantly interacting. Almost like music. Are you familiar with the Talking Head's album, 'Remain In Light'? There is a track on that record called Once In A Lifetime. The lyrics are pretty good, and yet the song is put together in such a way that you really can't distinguish what is more important to the listener, the words or the music- they go together seamlessly, and so it is with the ongoing Barry/Judy or Judy/Barry dialogue; its not just the words anymore, its the whole song. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an example a 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core Macbook laptop ran Windows Media Encoder at a score of 280, an HP Pavillion 2.16 GHZ T2600 dual core scores with a DESKTOP (with probably a faster hard drive) scores at 279 (smaller being better).great. I would like to see tests on a range of software though.What software would you like to see? I think the Worldbench 5 test is a good overall indicator as it tests 15 applications in 13 different scenarios. That doesn't expalin the discrepencey of a 4 core Mac pro only equaling performance of a Dell two core PC -- FROM the article you sent.Which article? I posted quite a few at this point. What I am interested in --and really have no data-- is how fast are Windows apps running in WINE?, that is, Windows apps with no Windows and just a small "compatibility layer". Please pass on any results for that you find. It's kinda moot at this point because basically all the articles I've seen say the same thing, XP runs the same or slightly to moderately faster on Mac Intels with the beta version of Boot Camp. I thought I'd heard of another Boot Camp type app that will optimize gaming more specifically for Mac Intels, but I forget he details as gaming does not generally appeal to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon the unwillingness to be nothing, the fear of that... Sort of a continuous looking away. JohnY It is funny actually to think that the 'bound' self springs from the unbounded Self's curiousity about its Self, and so it creates another, which them denies its genesis. Like looking in the mirror and having your reflection deny it is just that, and then walk away from you laughing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon the unwillingness to be nothing, the fear of that... Sort of a continuous looking away. JohnY Brilliant(IMHO)!! The continuous looking away is also a continuous looking for a subjective feeling of self that affirms (falsely) that I exist. The mind does this every few seconds in waking state. It's a very subtle egoic habit. You can see this habit in CC because the mind turns to find something to affirm itself and nothing, literally, is found instead. There is no longer a felt-sense of I to affirm individuality. There is, again, literally, nothing there to find but pure consciousness and pure consciousness is something that the mind can not comprehend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:46 PM, authfriend wrote: Interesting factoid from Paul Krugman's current column in the New York Times (no link because it's behind the Times's subscription wall): It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ Terrific, thank you! Does he have Krugman's columns on a regular basis? I noticed he has Rich's column too. I've bookmarked the site. No way I'm going to shell out to the Times. I know. I hate supporting those right-wing rags -- uncritical mouthpieces for the admin (a la Judith Miller affair). (thus my comments are both tongue in check, and serious. (If not also foot in mouth.)) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:21 PM, authfriend wrote: It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ Terrific, thank you! Does he have Krugman's columns on a regular basis? Sure does, as well as Maureen Dowd's, Rich's, which you saw, and also Bob Herbert's. I noticed he has Rich's column too. I've bookmarked the site. No way I'm going to shell out to the Times. Big mistake, IMO, when they decided to make it subscription only. I think they lost a lot of integrity by going that route. I think they lost most of their integrity when they whored themselves out, selling the BushCo war in Iraq. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's what's already been discussed New Mourn: it's also a Conroe processor which is supposed to be the fastest of the fast. Ok thanks for the clarification. So the article you sent me upon my query about side-by side* tests of MAC Pro compared to PCs is not in that article -- since the MAC Pro is using a slower, lower architecture processor than the current Gateway apparently used in that test** So when real side by side tests PC / MAC PRO tests are published, let me know. Particularly using quad core cpus, under vista, with 64 bit software, optimized for multiple processors and raid drives, testing intense numeric calcs, as well as graphics, video, etc. * (and side-by side meaning running same OS, -- all using same processor, hard drives, memory, graphics card etc.) **(confusing because the same gateway was running another slower dual core back in may under linked articles to yours.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquoiseB writes snipped. I do one of these serious posts every so often, just to see whether anyone *will* reply, and we can have some fun discussing something new. In recent months, the only person who does with some regularity is Tom. That may just indicate that we're both just crazies who appreciate each others' brand of craziness, but it's nice every so often to see that someone *notices* that a slightly different paradigm has been introduced. Tom T: Of course we are both crazy as well as liars and phonies. In addition we both qualify for the A**hole of the month award. Yeah, but your cat gives great Darshan. But hopefully not great he ... oh never mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:21 PM, authfriend wrote: It's right on the front page here: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/ Terrific, thank you! Does he have Krugman's columns on a regular basis? Sure does, as well as Maureen Dowd's, Rich's, which you saw, and also Bob Herbert's. I noticed he has Rich's column too. I've bookmarked the site. No way I'm going to shell out to the Times. Big mistake, IMO, when they decided to make it subscription only. I think they lost a lot of integrity by going that route. I think they lost most of their integrity when they whored themselves out, selling the BushCo war in Iraq. Agreed (pun intended). Lots of the media did this, I think because either their owners were pro Cheney/Bush and they wanted to support them, regardless of the paper's previous editorial stance, or Cheney/Bush made it clear that if you dissed them, no more access to the White House would be granted. Of course the latter can be circumvented, but it takes a lot of hard work to develop reliable covert sources and some cajones too. Ironic that the (F)right wing keeps calling papers like the NYT and Wash Post 'liberal'... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip have no problem with it- I read through it quickly just to check out the particulate matter. Other than that, I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. Not urging you to bother with anything you don't find of interest, but I'd suggest that if you aren't following the discussions fairly closely, you aren't really in a position to say whether there are any specific points and justifications. Its iconic is all, and with iconic phenomena, I tend to move from studying and listening closely, to surfing the flavor or essence of what is going on, and to me what is going on between you and Barry transcends any specific points you or he have made, and becomes more the phenomenon of the two of you constantly interacting. Almost like music. Are you familiar with the Talking Head's album, 'Remain In Light'? There is a track on that record called Once In A Lifetime. The lyrics are pretty good, and yet the song is put together in such a way that you really can't distinguish what is more important to the listener, the words or the music- they go together seamlessly, and so it is with the ongoing Barry/Judy or Judy/Barry dialogue; its not just the words anymore, its the whole song. I'm not familiar with the song. I have no problem with your music metaphor. I'm just saying that if you're paying more attention to the music and haven't really buckled down to grasp what we're saying to each other, you're missing the reason the music exists in the first place. And as I noted, you really aren't in a position to say the content is insignificant. It's like going to an opera in a foreign language without having studied the libretto beforehand, or without reading the subtitles many opera houses provide these days. If you don't want to be bothered, that's fine, the music alone is worth the time. But it would then be silly to claim the plot and lyrics are irrelevant to the opera as a whole. That's not to say that some operas with great music don't have idiotic plots and mediocre lyrics. But you can't tell the difference if you aren't paying attention to them. I have a friend who liked some of Wagner's orchestral music, like the Ride of the Valkyries, but found the operas themselves noisy and boring. I talked him into getting a video of Die Walkure that had subtitles, and he just about flipped. He had had no idea of the psychological, emotional, and spiritual depth that was behind all that music he'd found so noisy and boring. (Not in any way comparing the quality of the music *or* the lyrics in my exchanges with Barry to Wagner's magnificent operas, just massaging the metaphor a bit.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with the switching language structures. Using the language of hyponosis how are things like non locality, remote viewing and astral projection explained? They can be tested for and have been. Waking state a self hypnosis, ok no problem. Awakening, self hypnosis, ok, no problem there either. I'm curious and haven't studied the folks you have JohnY I was not aware that any of those phenomenon had been tested in a controlled setting with a professional magician present. I do know that no one collected James Randi's $100,000 for demonstrating that type of phenomenon. If you have any cool links to share I would like to read more. I don't deny that the mind may be capable of this stuff, it may well be true. Trance states might facilitate the experience. I am interested in reports of a mother's connection to her kids across space. I think that might be a good area to start to test ESP phenomenon. As far as the states reached in hypnotic techniques, I found them identical to what I had experienced in TM in my own experience. But I know it can be argued that I was just used to transcending. In my small group of therapists, who were in the hypnosis training with me, I was able to test if other people would have the type of experiences that I had through TM and sidhis through hypnosis. They would report very similar states of mind. The Chopra technique, which I think is also the old Age of Enlightenment technique is a fantastic induction and can produce some really interesting experiences in people who have never done TM. I also am aware of the criticism that just because the experiences sound alike it doesn't mean they are the same experience. But since I didn't have my pocket EEG with me I'll never know. I am not claiming to have rigorously tested anything. It just changed my ideas about the uniqueness of the experiences I had in TM. I'm sure I am not alone in this mini revelation! It seems as though many other meditators from other systems report similar experiences. TM's insistence on uniqueness seems like a marketing ploy. The bigger picture is that there are many fascinating states of mind gained through all sorts of practices spiritual and otherwise. Understanding it all is a long way off for me. I'm thinking of Dean Radeon (sp), Bob Monroe, Joe McMonigal (sp) (US military remote viewing 20yr project). I'll look up the links and post. Randi has been slippery lately to say the least. There have been triple blind studies on a handful of the best mediums for after death communications as well (can't remember hi name in Az.). I'll look it up. Maken' me do homework :-). I'll post soon I don't have any problem with hypnosis producing some states identical with TM or other techniques, just that they can and do go beyond hypnosis. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vista (was Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT)
You already have them, check your email. Like I said, this is old news. On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:20 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's what's already been discussed New Mourn: it's also a Conroe processor which is supposed to be the fastest of the fast. Ok thanks for the clarification. So the article you sent me upon my query about side-by side* tests of MAC Pro compared to PCs is not in that article -- since the MAC Pro is using a slower, lower architecture processor than the current Gateway apparently used in that test** So when real side by side tests PC / MAC PRO tests are published, let me know. Particularly using quad core cpus, under vista, with 64 bit software, optimized for multiple processors and raid drives, testing intense numeric calcs, as well as graphics, video, etc. * (and side-by side meaning running same OS, -- all using same processor, hard drives, memory, graphics card etc.) **(confusing because the same gateway was running another slower dual core back in may under linked articles to yours.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don Schaefer's Whereabouts
Thanks, Rick!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/16/06 10:09 AM, Christine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where Don Schaefer is? (not sure of the spelling of his last name) He's a sweet guy, an architect or something related to architecture. I'm not sure when he left Fairfield. We have Don's old phone #... and his sister Pat is looking for him and says it's an emergency. His sister's name is Pat and she lives in California and she really wants to reach her brother Don. If you know Don can pass along this message, please let me know as I have his sister's phone #. I think he¹s running the Portland, OR Peace Palace. I have Don Shaifer Acasa Building Systems Work address 808 W Washington Street Telephone Home: 641-472-0529 Work: 641-472-0390 Mobile: 641-781-0565 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The values party
On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: Big mistake, IMO, when they decided to make it subscription only. I think they lost a lot of integrity by going that route. I think they lost most of their integrity when they whored themselves out, selling the BushCo war in Iraq. Well, that too. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NEWS from COURSE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From someone Subject: 14th October latest news from 15th October 2006 USA Dear Friends, We had just heard then that yet again the US Embassy had refused visas for the Pandits, and Maharishi had just declare that we were to complete this project alone But the most amazing, sudden, inexplicable change was in the US Embassy in India. They changed their minds and have decided to grant visas to 2,000 Indian pandits to come here to Vedic City. They have even set up the Embassy on Emergency stations so they can fulfil this promise as fast as possible. Starting last week, our Pandits are going 50 a day to the Embassy, and this will continue until all 2,000 are through. Each of them is telling the Embassy that they are going to US to create Invincibility for the Nation. It seems the Embassy staff are completely sold out on the idea and totally awed by the depth of peace and gentleness of these young men. The pandits are aged from 20 to early 30's. They are considered senior pandits with 8 to 10 years experience. * What could account for the sudden change in the State Dept's willingness to grant visas to the pundits? After years of denying visas because the pundits were poor, and just a couple weeks ago, denying the Rajas' request for two thousand pundit visas, it just does not seem credible that U.S. consular officials decided to discard visa guidelines and admit a bunch of poor people to the U.S. (about half of the 12 million people illegally in the U.S. are people who overstayed their visas, which is why the U.S. wants to see proof that visa applicants have some financial reason to go back to their home country when their visa expires). I'm sure that Howard Settle gave several millions to the TMO, who in turn gave it to the pundits to open bank accounts (possibly with the understanding that when the pundits return to India after two years, they will pass on the money to the next wave of pundits to apply for visas. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Deadliest weekend in Iowa's history?
Shootings, stabbing make weekend one of deadliest in Iowa's history By KATE McGINTY and MEGHAN MALLOY DES MOINES REGISTER STAFF WRITERS October 16, 2006 Two shootings and one stabbing Sunday pushed the weekend's homicide rate to nine, one of the worst in Iowa's history, a state official said. Three separate incidents across Iowa on Sunday left four people dead and another injured. The incidents are in addition to the five people from one family who were shot to death in Van Buren County on Saturday. I can't think of anything in recent history where we've had this number of significant events in such a short time frame, said James Saunders, spokesman for the Iowa Department of Public Safety. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip have no problem with it- I read through it quickly just to check out the particulate matter. Other than that, I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. Not urging you to bother with anything you don't find of interest, but I'd suggest that if you aren't following the discussions fairly closely, you aren't really in a position to say whether there are any specific points and justifications. Its iconic is all, and with iconic phenomena, I tend to move from studying and listening closely, to surfing the flavor or essence of what is going on, and to me what is going on between you and Barry transcends any specific points you or he have made, and becomes more the phenomenon of the two of you constantly interacting. Almost like music. Are you familiar with the Talking Head's album, 'Remain In Light'? There is a track on that record called Once In A Lifetime. The lyrics are pretty good, and yet the song is put together in such a way that you really can't distinguish what is more important to the listener, the words or the music- they go together seamlessly, and so it is with the ongoing Barry/Judy or Judy/Barry dialogue; its not just the words anymore, its the whole song. I'm not familiar with the song. I have no problem with your music metaphor. I'm just saying that if you're paying more attention to the music and haven't really buckled down to grasp what we're saying to each other, you're missing the reason the music exists in the first place. And as I noted, you really aren't in a position to say the content is insignificant. It's like going to an opera in a foreign language without having studied the libretto beforehand, or without reading the subtitles many opera houses provide these days. If you don't want to be bothered, that's fine, the music alone is worth the time. But it would then be silly to claim the plot and lyrics are irrelevant to the opera as a whole. That's not to say that some operas with great music don't have idiotic plots and mediocre lyrics. But you can't tell the difference if you aren't paying attention to them. I have a friend who liked some of Wagner's orchestral music, like the Ride of the Valkyries, but found the operas themselves noisy and boring. I talked him into getting a video of Die Walkure that had subtitles, and he just about flipped. He had had no idea of the psychological, emotional, and spiritual depth that was behind all that music he'd found so noisy and boring. (Not in any way comparing the quality of the music *or* the lyrics in my exchanges with Barry to Wagner's magnificent operas, just massaging the metaphor a bit.) Point taken. However I *did* read what you two had to say to each other for many many months- all of it- and aside from me agreeing with you that Barry has specific deficiencies or me agreeing with Barry that you do, I'd rather just let the music continue and see where it goes. Its actually pretty fascinating from a karmic standpoint, considering that you've not met each other, at least not recently... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yanks seek asylum in scorpionland
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Don Schaefer's Whereabouts
I reached Don Schaifer at the Enlightenment Center in Eugene, Oregon. His cell # is the same; and the TM Center # is 541-684-4801. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/16/06 10:09 AM, Christine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where Don Schaefer is? (not sure of the spelling of his last name) He's a sweet guy, an architect or something related to architecture. I'm not sure when he left Fairfield. We have Don's old phone #... and his sister Pat is looking for him and says it's an emergency. His sister's name is Pat and she lives in California and she really wants to reach her brother Don. If you know Don can pass along this message, please let me know as I have his sister's phone #. I think he¹s running the Portland, OR Peace Palace. I have Don Shaifer Acasa Building Systems Work address 808 W Washington Street Telephone Home: 641-472-0529 Work: 641-472-0390 Mobile: 641-781-0565 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Daily live Broadcast of Maharishi Global Family Chat
From: MOU-USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Daily live Broadcast of Maharishi Global Family Chat Beginning Tuesday October 17 2006 ... Maharishi Global Family Chat will be broadcast *every day* at 2:15 PM US Central time (and 9:15 PM Central Europe time.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Anyway, when I would have a higher states experience in the past, it would be like the shift of a tectonic plate within; one moment I'm...here, and the next I'm...there, with no clarity around how I got to 'there' from 'here'. So it could've been I was hypnotized or externally influenced somehow. And 'I' felt different; not quite myself. My experience now, with whatever I am moving from or to, is that the experience is wholly mine and I can review the transition in time, so that wherever I might go, be it transcending, asleep, champagne high, emotional envelopment, etc. there is no longer the wha' happened?!?!? accompaniment; I am always where I am. This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. Nice. This is a sort of non-sequitur, but what you said reminds me of a time in the Rama trip when we were studying dream yoga. There was a lot of work on becoming lucid (waking up in the dream and being able to control what happens in it), and after a while you got good at it, so that you no longer had to do anything to will lucidity; it just happened. And then I noticed that the lucidity was bleeding over into the waking state. I'd lay down to go to sleep and there was no longer any period of non- awareness. I'd just slip seamlessly from being lucid in the waking state to lucid in the dreaming state. I don't experience this that much these days, but it sure was fun at the time. As you said, waking or dreaming, it was always just me. Turq, I used to (and occassionally still do) be able to go from waking to awake and out of the body with no break in awareness. To confirm this, my wife and I used to project together and then compare experience. She did have a tendency to get distracted by the local pizza parlors though... :-) It is quite an eye-opener... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon the unwillingness to be nothing, the fear of that... Sort of a continuous looking away. JohnY Brilliant(IMHO)!! The continuous looking away is also a continuous looking for a subjective feeling of self that affirms (falsely) that I exist. The mind does this every few seconds in waking state. It's a very subtle egoic habit. You can see this habit in CC because the mind turns to find something to affirm itself and nothing, literally, is found instead. There is no longer a felt-sense of I to affirm individuality. There is, again, literally, nothing there to find but pure consciousness and pure consciousness is something that the mind can not comprehend. Around the age of 10 I started to have a lucid 'dream' where I had the subjective sensation of the my head expanding and expanding until all that was left was a tiny dot of bright light about to disapear in a boundless ocean of shimmering light/darkness. Then I would wake up terrified and shaking and calling for mom... maybe times a week for a couple of years. Years later while sitting and listening to sama veda floating on that ocean the memories all came rolling back . JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. I haven't had the same depth of experience, but this is true for me as well. As I told Curtis, there's an increasing *transparency*, but, as you say, all just me. Nice. What happens when you discover Barry is all just me?! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip This is a different experience I think that the trance state you are describing, because there is no loss of me at any time. While my subjective experience may change and possibly drastically, I am always tracking, big or small, high or low, light or dark, its always just me. I haven't had the same depth of experience, but this is true for me as well. As I told Curtis, there's an increasing *transparency*, but, as you say, all just me. Nice. What happens when you discover Barry is all just me?! I'll let you know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NEWS from COURSE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could account for the sudden change in the State Dept's willingness to grant visas to the pundits? After years of denying visas because the pundits were poor, and just a couple weeks ago, denying the Rajas' request for two thousand pundit visas, it just does not seem credible that U.S. consular officials decided to discard visa guidelines and admit a bunch of poor people to the U.S. (about half of the 12 million people illegally in the U.S. are people who overstayed their visas, which is why the U.S. wants to see proof that visa applicants have some financial reason to go back to their home country when their visa expires). I'm sure that Howard Settle gave several millions to the TMO, who in turn gave it to the pundits to open bank accounts (possibly with the understanding that when the pundits return to India after two years, they will pass on the money to the next wave of pundits to apply for visas. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html I also wondered about the sudden change in the visa situation, however, my thinking took a more cynical path than yours. I think they truly believed that pundits would come when the first pundit campus was built, but the result was a secluded facility for Mother Divine. And, with Livingston Manor being such a moldy shithole and Fairfield being the most happening TM place to be, the thought occurred to me that they could be using The pundits are coming! The pundits are coming! to drum up support to build a facility that will ultimately be occupied by Purusha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lords of Light
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I have a friend who liked some of Wagner's orchestral music, like the Ride of the Valkyries, but found the operas themselves noisy and boring. I talked him into getting a video of Die Walkure that had subtitles, and he just about flipped. He had had no idea of the psychological, emotional, and spiritual depth that was behind all that music he'd found so noisy and boring. (Not in any way comparing the quality of the music *or* the lyrics in my exchanges with Barry to Wagner's magnificent operas, just massaging the metaphor a bit.) Point taken. However I *did* read what you two had to say to each other for many many months- all of it- and aside from me agreeing with you that Barry has specific deficiencies or me agreeing with Barry that you do, I'd rather just let the music continue and see where it goes. Here's what you said to start with that I was commenting on: I don't bother with the specific points and justifications, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. Seems a little different from what you're saying above. Just as an aside, I continue to be flabbergasted that dishonesty and hypocrisy aren't at the top of folks' lists of deficiencies, and that they seem to tolerate them as easily as, say, the deficiencies of being abrasive or of nit-picking. Its actually pretty fascinating from a karmic standpoint, considering that you've not met each other, at least not recently... Must be nice to be able to take a karmic standpoint. Not quite sure how that would work, actually, the course of action being unfathomable, and all that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Original Beacon Light Of The Himalayas-finally available
Paul Mason has secured a copy of the original Beacon Light Of The Himalayas. Continuing in his wonderful spirit of sharing all that he has, Paul has made these files available to all. It's a big file, available from yousendit.com Here is Paul's message: I have uploaded the book as a zip file downloadable from yousendit (it will take you a couple of minutes to clear their very simple registration process - painless) then there should be nothing stopping you downloading the entire contents of the BLotH (about 40 Megs).lnicentally, I am still looking for any photos anyone may have of Guru Dev that have haven't come my way. I got a few last week, and have posted them on the 'photo gallery' area of the Guru Dev webpages. http://www.yousendit.com/download/8heCt9ZBz4M%3D PS Please feel free to share the file with as many people as you wish. I think we owe Paul a tremendous Thank You for his ongoing research. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lords of Light
I also enjoy Tom's email here there about TM Ff enlightenment not computer fixing of little interest but to 2 or perhaps 3 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lords of Light TorquoiseB writes snipped. I do one of these "serious" posts every so often, just to see whether anyone *will* reply, and we can have some fun discussing something new. In recent months, the only person who does with some regularity is Tom. That may just indicate that we're both just crazies who appreciate each others' brand of craziness, but it's nice every so often to see that someone *notices* that a slightly different paradigm has been introduced. Tom T: Of course we are both crazy as well as liars and phonies. In addition we both qualify for the A**hole of the month award. We have worked very hard for that award and deserve all of it. It is strange people like Barry and few others that keep me coming back. A strange brew we have concoted here, woe be to those who hang in these parts, your mind is being played (f**ked) with big time. HA!. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FairfieldLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TM_letter_to_school_board Uploaded by : gimari03 Description : Sent to San Rafael City School Board Marin newspaper You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/TM_letter_to_school_board I'm guessing this file was created on a Mac (no file extension). Windows users can read it by opening it with Word or Wordpad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
