[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music... Bringing you da freshest! This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot copyright Temple Dog 2013 Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Now I'll listen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Rory, It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This becomes clear in several statements you have made. Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of honor. No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, superficial, inauthentic friendship. I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your request. Please be clear here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Oh and one more thing Rory. The reason I had to go hard at you is because of fanciful claim of being enlightened, all those posts about UC, GC, BC - drove me nuts, if it wasn't I would have taken it easy. So by the very nature of your fanciful claims you made it harder for me. Sorry Rory. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Rory, It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This becomes clear in several statements you have made. Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of honor. No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, superficial, inauthentic friendship. I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your request. Please be clear here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a magic bullet...
http://tmwomen.org/benefits-body-weight-management.html#video=Gleq_q1Neu4 [...] TM practice alone is not a magic bullet. But it is a very effective tool to reestablish balance in our lives, which in turn helps us normalize weight and maintain it at the level thatâs healthiest for us. Signs of growing maturity in how TM is presented to the world... L
[FairfieldLife] Apple, strong buy?
Icahn (looks a bit like Bernie Madoff??) thinksApple could rise up to 700 bucks... [Suursijoittaja Carl Icahn uskoo vankkumatta Applen osakkeen kallistumiseen.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple, strong buy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: Icahn (looks a bit like Bernie Madoff??) thinksApple could rise up to 700 bucks... [Suursijoittaja Carl Icahn uskoo vankkumatta Applen osakkeen kallistumiseen.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin? Robin. I'll see if I can find the post for you. Here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? He's responding to a post from Vaj. You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes, Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Steve, thank you so much for this, for these compassionate insights, for taking the time to reply. As always, it means a lot to me. Especially given how busy you must be. I bet you're also, along with Emily and turq, getting ready to travel. Have a great time up north with your daughter! Plus is everyone gearing up for back to school? Anyway, Steve, all the best always to you and your family. Share From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Okay Ann, I'll take your bait. Share gave a clear explanation to Jim. But you may have missed the subtlety and nuance of it. I never saw Share suck up to Barry. You just don't do that with Barry. Sure Barry's rant was mean spirited. It also seemed to contain a good amount of frustration. And I think he also totally missed, what I felt was, Share's deft way of dealing with the massive amount of criticisms, insults, and non stop personal attacks leveled against her. Martrydom? No. Wanting attention? Fraid not. Just someone who justifiably defended herself when attacked, and often did so in a gentle (often) and light hearted (most always) way that just so happened to zero in on the issue at hand. I am sorry that you aren't able to appreciate it. I didn't agree with any of those criticisms or attacks on her, although I must admit I found them rather humorous, the way they kept coming and from every angle. But what gave me greater delight was the way in which Share, in every case, dealt with them. And now we see Raunchy and others, (Judy of course) laying some nice traps to bring up all kinds of old (PR) business. It also humorous to see Judy, most every week, marvel at how far more overboard one of her (perceived) enemies has gone. But this is Judy's strong suit of course. I may drift off to sleep after this. Wishing you a good nights sleep as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular. This is, in one sense, a dream come true for Share. I knew it when I read that post and I really believe it now. Barry didn't mean to do anything positive or remotely helpful for Share; he simply couldn't help himself. He actually reviles Share for a whole slew of reasons. I warned her, he has been using her from the beginning. But this situation is, as you say, nothing short of spectacular. However, Share wants to be martyred so, in some twist of strangeness, Barry has made her very happy on some level. And her one Knight has not appeared because he does not want to ruffle Barry's feathers. He is strangely silent (Steve, where are you?). Ah, the machinations of this forum, and of human beings in general, is fascinating. Curtis even dropped by today. If Robin were actually reading any of this he would have something to say. But in the end, only Share can decide for herself what serves her best and for what reasons and what it is that needs feeding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
dear Obbajee Ms. Yvonne, you had me laughing right away with that postal count and going postal. Tons of gratitude. Actually I think this is one of your best posts ever, which is saying a lot IMHO--anyway, combo of fun and fascinating info about connection between Hearst and pot farming; bringing in John's post about monkish wine; and most of all, compassion and seeing how we all have good and bad in us. You did that, right? bhairitu who I prefer to call noozguru, has me very well trained so I had already googled Stockholm Syndrome. I'll say more about this in my reply to Doc. Ok, gotta have my oatmeal with stevia and then head for Bagambhrini (-: Nippy morning which I LOVE! Season of mellow fruitfulness might be coming early. Yay! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Share, I am risking my postal count this week, by giving you more attention than any and that in turn will cause someone to go postal on me. When I see I am in the top 5 post count, so far this week, and being over the imaginary limit the Turq is biting his fingers from adding his own over the limit thoughts (in more ways than one) just to prove a point and have us over posters, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY0Hyza6C-U burned at the stake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dtTYd2sX80 on Friday, August 16, 2013. Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome (link just in case you do not know the meaning) and the Turq, Barry, is your captor. (I would like to add, I too have taken beatings from the Turq and I still kinda/sorta like him. That is why he made me Ms. Yvonne. He would use me for a night or two and then spit me out and I probably would want more, but I would finally come to my senses and focus on something really annoying about him and then in turn, forget about him. Then puke later.) Funny that John brought those beautiful pictures of the Monk's hermitage at this time, because he mentioned William Randolph Hearst, extreme wealthy man that he was, his daughter too, Patty, had what they say Stockholm Syndrome, when she was kidnapped and then became pals with her captors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CaqurNXx8 See, it can happen to the best of us. One of the biggest victims of Mr. Hearst, as he too, held product for ransom to protect his own tree farms/lumber by putting out stupid conspiracy crap about Weed, Pot, Marrijane, Cannabis, whatever they call that stuff I don't smoke or take, but the Stockholm syndrome spread and to make a long story short, this ended up happening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALBRzPAgKM to help push legislation to block any use and all use of the plant that can grow very fast and was sustainable green product oh heck watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xt-IlJLlD8 So see, people are sitting in jail all around the country, lives ruined because Mr. Hearst, (Citizen Kane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hfQ2IOc8s ) pushed some of the beginnings of these horrible drug laws and also helped make it impossible to farmers to be able to use this plant on their farms, here in the USA. Remember, go and sip some wine with the Monks and the ancient European stones. Just don't get stoned. :) Kids, don't do drugs. They are bad for you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Doc, thank you. Susan is also friendly towards turq as are several including but not limited to Steve and Curtis and Xeno, sort of. Anyway, as I replied to Emily long ago, what I mean by psychological rape is when someone attributes thoughts and feelings to me that I'm not having. turq doesn't do that. I guess what turq said should bother me. But he has told me to STFU before! He has called me an idiot before and the worst kind of TBer, attention seeker, etc. So nothing new really. And maybe he was shocked by how much I posted. I was too! Anyway, it's just turq being turq. BTW, I don't think of us as friends or allies or anything like that. We both like the Minion movies. That's about the extent of what we have in common. I come to his defense when people gang up on him. But I would do that for anyone because it is a pet peeve of mine. And he has been supportive of me when I have been ganged up on. That has meant a lot. Anyway, I hope he has a great vacation. And shall we let the river flow on? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Assuming Barry has everything all tidied up at home, as he often assures us he does, and given that he basically lost control of his bowels today, Tuesday, indicates that he probably got humiliated in
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is not a magic bullet...
Unfortunately, the TM movement can't even agree on a new logo http://uk.tm.org/global-websites http://uk.tm.org/global-websites http://uk.tm.org/global-websites Americans stick with their bubble diagram logo. http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques How could you expect them to rejuvenate? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: http://tmwomen.org/benefits-body-weight-management.html#video=Gleq_q1Neu\ 4 [...] TM practice alone is not a magic bullet. But it is a very effective tool to reestablish balance in our lives, which in turn helps us normalize weight and maintain it at the level thatâs healthiest for us. Signs of growing maturity in how TM is presented to the world... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music... Bringing you da freshest! This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
Chopra re-wrote those books because the Movement made him a pariah. I know some people who worked with Chopra in those days, I also was shown the letter the Movement sent to all the TM centers immediately after Chopra went out on his own by a friend who was the Center chairman of the Columbia SC TM center at the time. The letter stated that Chopra books were not to be sold at the Centers anymore, the centers were not to even HAVE any of Chopra's books on the premises, Chopra was not to be talked about at the centers during any intro, prep or advanced lectures. And this was when his books were full of references to TM. Some of the people who were with Chopra in those days, and my daughter's mother who is a Primordial Sound Meditation instructor, and who has talked about this with Chopra told me that Chopra initially wanted to have his center, what became the Chopra Center for Well Being, recommend and teach TM and ayurveda, with the Movement supplying the TM teachers and ayurvedic vadjyas. But Marshy would have none of it, and directed the letter be sent to all TM Centers. In my opinion it was the same kind of spiteful, vindictive bs that Marshy did when he directed the community of Heavenly Mountain could no longer do business there, it was only for Purusha and retired people - he did this in response to Earl Kaplan cutting of the funds, and M retaliated by making sure the business people who were supporting the community would leave. Some enlightened master. And Rick wonders why I call the old goat a fraud. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi Well, he rewrote _Quantum Healing_, which was originally about the Primordial Sound Technique, which has nothing to do with Primordial Sound Meditation, to make it all about the latter. While he was at it, he deleted all references to Maharishi, and how Maharishi had taught him the Primordial Sound Technique and how to teach it, and actually asked him to write the book _Quantum Healing_ in order to explain how it might work, but other than minor details like that, yes, Chopra is quite honest about it... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing without Maharishi, there would certainly have been no primordial sound meditation. At least he is honest about it unlike certain others. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Doc, thanks again for caring, taking the time to reply, sharing your ideas. Now about boundaries: I think it's really hard to tell if someone is setting boundaries in an online community. Just so you know, something Sig Other complained about, I set plenty of them. And Nature nicely supplements. For example, on Monday night, well Tuesday morning really, I woke up at 1:30 Central and could not get back to sleep! Awful, awful. I did something which I do maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I turned on the computer! Very dumb! Saw that Judy and Raunchy had just posted! Now here's a boundary for you: I did not read those posts at that time! Very smart! Still haven't read all the posts that were posted Monday night/early Tuesday morning. Again, very smart IMHO (-: Anyway, when I eventually read turq's post, I was already wrecked from lack of sleep, dulled out, etc. I think that was a loving boundary from Mother Nature (-: Yikes! Time for Dome, more later. Thank you again. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share You are welcome - I find turq's behavior towards you reprehensible, and always will. I don't know why you are willingly a target for his abuse. He severely compromises your public identity for those who are reading this forum. Maybe that is very few of us. However, I would think that you would set a boundary for that public behavior, of his, towards you. Not because it gets to you, but because it is childish, and meant to be hurtful. Through daily activity, I am around children, of all ages, and the thing they must learn is boundaries, for their own sake. So, whatever age the child, I never hesitate to reinforce boundaries with them. That way, they have half a chance of growing up to be kind, socially integrated adults. I don't hold my breath, beyond taking an action to set boundaries, but neither do I blithely let the moment pass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, thank you. Susan is also friendly towards turq as are several including but not limited to Steve and Curtis and Xeno, sort of. Anyway, as I replied to Emily long ago, what I mean by psychological rape is when someone attributes thoughts and feelings to me that I'm not having. turq doesn't do that. I guess what turq said should bother me. But he has told me to STFU before! He has called me an idiot before and the worst kind of TBer, attention seeker, etc. So nothing new really. And maybe he was shocked by how much I posted. I was too! Anyway, it's just turq being turq. BTW, I don't think of us as friends or allies or anything like that. We both like the Minion movies. That's about the extent of what we have in common. I come to his defense when people gang up on him. But I would do that for anyone because it is a pet peeve of mine. And he has been supportive of me when I have been ganged up on. That has meant a lot. Anyway, I hope he has a great vacation. And shall we let the river flow on? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Assuming Barry has everything all tidied up at home, as he often assures us he does, and given that he basically lost control of his bowels today, Tuesday, indicates that he probably got humiliated in a meeting at work, or works for someone who makes his life miserable, or both. Or maybe it was just another dateless weekend...who really knows, except that there WAS some sort of trigger event... Barry is like a powder keg on here, compulsively scanning his spreadsheets, obsessively tracking who said what, and in direct competition with that persona, he must maintain the uber-cool, global AND glacial, Uncle Tantra image. Feels like sandpaper inside him, though, the itch he cannot scratch, until he finds a target, no matter how inappropriate. He violates all of his public boundaries, for his release - He Just Has To Let It OUT. And while he is at it, why not kill two birds, with a single stone? After all, Share considers him to be the big brother she never had, and is the only one here who consistently treats him in a friendly way. But this, remember, is Barry The Magnificent, liver in of foreign countries, who has screwed more women than any of us can count, and is practically on a first name basis with Anybody Who Really Matters. So, he thought about the pros, and cons, of keeping Share around. Ally, or simply an embarrassment? Pretty obvious what Barry's choice was: SHUT THE FUCK UP [Share] We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Sure Share. Ann was kinda wondering where I disappeared to. And yes, with the massive volume of postings it's hard to keep up with things. Like Ravi, I always tried to read each post, if only briefly, but that's no longer possible. Looking forward to trip, but don't leave until a week from tomorrow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Steve, thank you so much for this, for these compassionate insights, for taking the time to reply. As always, it means a lot to me. Especially given how busy you must be. I bet you're also, along with Emily and turq, getting ready to travel. Have a great time up north with your daughter! Plus is everyone gearing up for back to school? Anyway, Steve, all the best always to you and your family. Share From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Okay Ann, I'll take your bait. Share gave a clear explanation to Jim.  But you may have missed the subtlety and nuance of it. I never saw Share suck up to Barry. You just don't do that with Barry. Sure Barry's rant was mean spirited. It also seemed to contain a good amount of frustration. And I think he also totally missed, what I felt was, Share's deft way of dealing with the massive amount of criticisms, insults, and non stop personal attacks leveled against her. Martrydom? No. Wanting attention? Fraid not. Just someone who justifiably defended herself when attacked, and often did so in a gentle (often) and light hearted (most always) way that just so happened to zero in on the issue at hand. I am sorry that you aren't able to appreciate it. I didn't agree with any of those criticisms or attacks on her, although I must admit I found them rather humorous, the way they kept coming and from every angle. But what gave me greater delight was the way in which Share, in every case, dealt with them. And now we see Raunchy and others, (Judy of course) laying some nice traps to bring up all kinds of old (PR) business. It also humorous to see Judy, most every week, marvel at how far more overboard one of her (perceived) enemies has gone. But this is Judy's strong suit of course. I may drift off to sleep after this. Wishing you a good nights sleep as well.   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular. This is, in one sense, a dream come true for Share. I knew it when I read that post and I really believe it now. Barry didn't mean to do anything positive or remotely helpful for Share; he simply couldn't help himself. He actually reviles Share for a whole slew of reasons. I warned her, he has been using her from the beginning. But this situation is, as you say, nothing short of spectacular. However, Share wants to be martyred so, in some twist of strangeness, Barry has made her very happy on some level. And her one Knight has not appeared because he does not want to ruffle Barry's feathers. He is strangely silent (Steve, where are you?). Ah, the machinations of this forum, and of human beings in general, is fascinating. Curtis even dropped by today. If Robin were actually reading any of this he would have something to say. But in the end, only Share can decide for herself what serves her best and for what reasons and what it is that needs feeding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Actually, I remember you Rory, when you first appeared on TMNews. There you were actually much more critical of the TM movement and Maharishi, which at the time, actually was quite off-putting to me. Now, you ARE able to take a stand - and I appreciate how you do this in a way, not trying to hurt anybody and without aggression. Otherwise you do sound sort of streamlined to a particular philosophical tschick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
My recollection is that Chopra moved to California nearly a year before he went on Oprah (I recall talking to his assistant out there -the Lancaster Ayurveda Center gave me the number). The letter was not read at MY TM center until after Chopra went on Oprah to promote a new book that had nothing to do with TM. This was nearly a year after Chopra had made his move, and until he went on Oprah, TM centers DID sell his books. Chopra was selling a version of Quantum Healing with a letter to my meditating friends prior to that, but the versions of his book that were re-released when Chopra went on Oprah were all substantially edited into the form they are now. The only exception is _Return of the Rishi_ which still has a dedication to MMY. Coincidentally, _Return of the RIshi_ is not sold on Chopra's website, though you can get selected audio readings of it. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Chopra re-wrote those books because the Movement made him a pariah. I know some people who worked with Chopra in those days, I also was shown the letter the Movement sent to all the TM centers immediately after Chopra went out on his own by a friend who was the Center chairman of the Columbia SC TM center at the time. The letter stated that Chopra books were not to be sold at the Centers anymore, the centers were not to even HAVE any of Chopra's books on the premises, Chopra was not to be talked about at the centers during any intro, prep or advanced lectures. And this was when his books were full of references to TM. Some of the people who were with Chopra in those days, and my daughter's mother who is a Primordial Sound Meditation instructor, and who has talked about this with Chopra told me that Chopra initially wanted to have his center, what became the Chopra Center for Well Being, recommend and teach TM and ayurveda, with the Movement supplying the TM teachers and ayurvedic vadjyas. But Marshy would have none of it, and directed the letter be sent to all TM Centers. In my opinion it was the same kind of spiteful, vindictive bs that Marshy did when he directed the community of Heavenly Mountain could no longer do business there, it was only for Purusha and retired people - he did this in response to Earl Kaplan cutting of the funds, and M retaliated by making sure the business people who were supporting the community would leave. Some enlightened master. And Rick wonders why I call the old goat a fraud. From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi  Well, he rewrote _Quantum Healing_, which was originally about the Primordial Sound Technique, which has nothing to do with Primordial Sound Meditation, to make it all about the latter. While he was at it, he deleted all references to Maharishi, and how Maharishi had taught him the Primordial Sound Technique and how to teach it, and actually asked him to write the book _Quantum Healing_ in order to explain how it might work, but other than minor details like that, yes, Chopra is quite honest about it... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: Chopra has made it very clear he would be nothing without Maharishi, there would certainly have been no primordial sound meditation. At least he is honest about it unlike certain others. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Dear Share, I read your response to the Good Doc, and I can see you needed rest and got caught up in the excitement. I am glad you are a trooper. Please keep being you, as I think I have a clearer picture of you being a lot stronger than what I was understanding by scanning most of your knee jerk posts, responses to others in an IM (Instant Message) fashion. Keep the lipstick from smearing and please, always check in the mirror before walking out the door. LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK52qGcpdzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK52qGcpdzo If anyone takes these posts at FFL serious, well, pttf. Get a life!This is FFL, virtual exorcism in a bag! Enlightenment is found somewhere between the head and fingers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPB-yp3mo-s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPB-yp3mo-swtf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: dear Obbajee Ms. Yvonne, you had me laughing right away with that postal count and going postal. Tons of gratitude. Actually I think this is one of your best posts ever, which is saying a lot IMHO--anyway, combo of fun and fascinating info about connection between Hearst and pot farming; bringing in John's post about monkish wine; and most of all, compassion and seeing how we all have good and bad in us. You did that, right? bhairitu who I prefer to call noozguru, has me very well trained so I had already googled Stockholm Syndrome. I'll say more about this in my reply to Doc. Ok, gotta have my oatmeal with stevia and then head for Bagambhrini (-: Nippy morning which I LOVE! Season of mellow fruitfulness might be coming early. Yay! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Share, I am risking my postal count this week, by giving you more attention than any and that in turn will cause someone to go postal on me. When I see I am in the top 5 post count, so far this week, and being over the imaginary limit the Turq is biting his fingers from adding his own over the limit thoughts (in more ways than one) just to prove a point and have us over posters,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY0Hyza6C-U   burned at the stake  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dtTYd2sX80 on Friday, August 16, 2013. Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome (link just in case you do not know the meaning) and the Turq, Barry, is your captor.  (I would like to add, I too have taken beatings from the Turq and I still kinda/sorta like him. That is why he made me Ms. Yvonne. He would use me for a night or two and then spit me out and I probably would want more, but I would finally come to my senses and focus on something really annoying about him and then in turn, forget about him. Then puke later.) Funny that John brought those beautiful pictures of the Monk's hermitage at this time, because he mentioned William Randolph Hearst, extreme wealthy man that he was, his daughter too, Patty, had what they say Stockholm Syndrome, when she was kidnapped and then became pals with her captors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CaqurNXx8  See, it can happen to the best of us. One of the biggest victims of Mr. Hearst, as he too, held product for ransom to protect his own tree farms/lumber by putting out stupid conspiracy crap about Weed, Pot, Marrijane, Cannabis, whatever they call that stuff I don't smoke or take, but the Stockholm syndrome spread and to make a long story short, this ended up happening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALBRzPAgKM  to help push legislation to block any use and all use of the plant that can grow very fast and was sustainable green product oh heck watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xt-IlJLlD8   So see, people are sitting in jail all around the country, lives ruined because Mr. Hearst, (Citizen Kane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hfQ2IOc8s ) pushed some of the beginnings of these horrible drug laws and also helped make it impossible to farmers to be able to use this plant on their farms, here in the USA. Remember, go and sip some wine with the Monks and the ancient European stones. Just don't get stoned. :) Kids, don't do drugs. They are bad for you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Doc, thank you. Susan is also friendly towards turq as are several including but not limited to Steve and Curtis and Xeno, sort of. Anyway, as I replied to Emily long ago, what I mean by psychological rape is when someone attributes thoughts and feelings to me that I'm not having. turq doesn't do that. I guess what turq said should bother me. But he has told me to STFU before! He has called me an idiot before and the worst kind of TBer, attention seeker, etc. So nothing new really. And maybe he was shocked by how much I posted. I was too! Anyway, it's just turq being turq.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: (snip) And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. You've once again misrepresented what I said to you, Rory. Go back and look at the posts in question (#352915 and #353026). I know nothing about your energetic process, wasn't referring to it at all; and I never said *you*, overall, were a phony. I had two very specific objections to two very specific things you had said here that felt very egotistical to me. (BTW, in #353026, the part of your post Steve quoted was not what I was referring to--it was the paragraph before that, which he snipped.) Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. At the time, you said you were very appreciative of what I had told you. Said it filled you with bliss. Guess that wasn't quite true, huh? I don't dislike you, Rory. There are aspects of your style that strike sour chords with me, but as you know I've supported you in several different ways during your visit here. You tend to come across as pretty much invincible, as if nothing negative that emanates from those less evolved than yourself can ever disturb you--indeed, as if it can only be fodder for your continued expansion. Maybe you'd want to think about taking some of the responsibility for how that self-presentation shapes the tone of the feedback you get. One isn't inclined to be particularly careful about whether one's frankness might hurt the feelings of someone who appears to be invulnerable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Sure thing - Hang in there! ttyl. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music... Bringing you da freshest! This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Hi, You are welcome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, thanks again for caring, taking the time to reply, sharing your ideas. Now about boundaries: I think it's really hard to tell if someone is setting boundaries in an online community. Just so you know, something Sig Other complained about, I set plenty of them. And Nature nicely supplements. For example, on Monday night, well Tuesday morning really, I woke up at 1:30 Central and could not get back to sleep! Awful, awful. I did something which I do maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I turned on the computer! Very dumb! Saw that Judy and Raunchy had just posted! Now here's a boundary for you: I did not read those posts at that time! Very smart! Still haven't read all the posts that were posted Monday night/early Tuesday morning. Again, very smart IMHO (-: Anyway, when I eventually read turq's post, I was already wrecked from lack of sleep, dulled out, etc. I think that was a loving boundary from Mother Nature (-: Yikes! Time for Dome, more later. Thank you again. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  You are welcome - I find turq's behavior towards you reprehensible, and always will. I don't know why you are willingly a target for his abuse. He severely compromises your public identity for those who are reading this forum. Maybe that is very few of us. However, I would think that you would set a boundary for that public behavior, of his, towards you. Not because it gets to you, but because it is childish, and meant to be hurtful. Through daily activity, I am around children, of all ages, and the thing they must learn is boundaries, for their own sake. So, whatever age the child, I never hesitate to reinforce boundaries with them. That way, they have half a chance of growing up to be kind, socially integrated adults. I don't hold my breath, beyond taking an action to set boundaries, but neither do I blithely let the moment pass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Doc, thank you. Susan is also friendly towards turq as are several including but not limited to Steve and Curtis and Xeno, sort of. Anyway, as I replied to Emily long ago, what I mean by psychological rape is when someone attributes thoughts and feelings to me that I'm not having. turq doesn't do that. I guess what turq said should bother me. But he has told me to STFU before! He has called me an idiot before and the worst kind of TBer, attention seeker, etc. So nothing new really. And maybe he was shocked by how much I posted. I was too! Anyway, it's just turq being turq. BTW, I don't think of us as friends or allies or anything like that. We both like the Minion movies. That's about the extent of what we have in common. I come to his defense when people gang up on him. But I would do that for anyone because it is a pet peeve of mine. And he has been supportive of me when I have been ganged up on. That has meant a lot. Anyway, I hope he has a great vacation. And shall we let the river flow on?àFrom: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share àAssuming Barry has everything all tidied up at home, as he often assures us he does, and given that he basically lost control of his bowels today, Tuesday, indicates that he probably got humiliated in a meeting at work, or works for someone who makes his life miserable, or both. Or maybe it was just another dateless weekend...who really knows, except that there WAS some sort of trigger event... Barry is like a powder keg on here, compulsively scanning his spreadsheets, obsessively tracking who said what, and in direct competition with that persona, he must maintain the uber-cool, global AND glacial, Uncle Tantra image. Feels like sandpaper inside him, though, the itch he cannot scratch, until he finds a target, no matter how inappropriate. He violates all of his public boundaries, for his release - He Just Has To Let It OUT. And while he is at it, why not kill two birds, with a single stone? After all, Share considers him to be the big brother she never had, and is the only one here who consistently treats him in a friendly way. But this, remember, is Barry The Magnificent, liver in of foreign countries, who has screwed more women than any of us can count, and is practically on a first name basis with Anybody Who Really Matters. So, he thought about the pros, and cons, of keeping Share around. Ally, or simply an embarrassment? Pretty
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
fuck off. I am not ready for your stench yet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Have fun, Rory! You know I was only playing with you, spiritually. This is how we we roll here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIlKN0j2z6Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIlKN0j2z6Q LOL. Come back and play with us. We don't bite. Ravi tells it like it is, even to me. Brush yourself off and comeback soon, ya hear? OXO --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Sure thing - Hang in there! ttyl. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. I'm with you on the not having a clue about anyone's state of consciousness. As far as I'm concerned there are only three states: sleeping state, waking state and asshole state. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. You certainly have a double standard when it comes to encouraging people to establish boundaries. On the one hand you applaud Rory's stand and on the other hand you overlook Share's lack of one. Again, it is her business whether she is content to be Barry's door mat but you DO seem to have an inconsistencies in your definition of stand. No need to answer, I am getting tired of this subject and just wanted to point out this small observation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheism rears its ugly head again!
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I don't know, Buck. Can atheists really even be small minded? I mean, to come to such a conclusion that there is no God, one would, it seems to me, to have thought deeply about such matters. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I would say that atheists come to a conclusion that god is the *least* likely explanation for what we see around us - especially in the guise he deigns to appear to the religiously minded. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I would say that atheists show a great deal more strength and inner conviction than most believers simply because they've managed in most cases to overcome the decades of *conditioning* that people raised in religious cultures undergo that was designed to prevent them from *ever* doubting either the existence of God or the truth of the things He supposedly says from time to time. That's some heavy-duty conditioning, and I suggest that most people have never in their lives had the strength to counter it, and ponder such things seriously. It's far easier to just continue to believe, or pretend to. Because, after all, we all know what happens to those who *don't* do what God says. Take an example from the Bible, brilliantly retold by a more modern-day prophet. I would say that this exchange pretty much *defines* what people were taught about their relationship with God: God said to Abraham, Kill me a son Abe says, Man, you must be puttin' me on God say, No. Abe say, What? God say, You can do what you want Abe, but The next time you see me comin' you better run Abe says, Where do you want this killin' done? God says, Out on Highway 61 I think Saint Bob pretty much *nailed* the traditional notion of God in this verse. He tells you shit, and you'd damned well better do it, or else. And that's if you believe in Him. What *worse* fate could befall you if you *don't* believe in Him? Try to run through the Abraham-Issac story from two different points of view. From the first POV, assume that God does not exist, and Abe is hearing voices in his head. Having been told that such voices might come from God, he is willing to kill *his own son,* just to do what this God who never existed told him to do. That's some serious crazy. But the other point of view is even crazier. God exists, and the way He gets *His* jollies is to go to people who *do* believe in Him and tell them to kill their own children. If that's the way this story really went down, God is one sick, twisted motherfucker. And that's even crazier. Personally, I think that one of the most poignant quotes I've ever heard on the subject of the existence of God was in a line of graffiti supposedly found scrawled on the walls of Dachau when it was liberated: If there is a God, and someday I get to meet Him, the first words out of His mouth had damned well better be an apology. Cannibalism and human sacrifices were rampant 8,000 years ago and during the early days of civilisation. The story is probably a metaphorical or symbolic message that humans should not be sacrificed and an animal will do. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will -- and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain. ~ Gene Roddenberry
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Yeah. There is no agenda. There is no allegiance. There is not a reason to apologize. Let the hair on your chest grow! I am by no means in Ravi's group. LMAO Ravi is fun to play with and he really pays attention to how words are used, probably more so because English is a second language to him, I believe, and he is sensitive to bullshit buzz words. Like Kali's Pimp. He too, takes on ignorance with her dress on! (his/her same thing.) So come back on here, instead of pretending you were beat up or were not respected. It took me a long time to get anyone's response around here, and I feel good that I hung in here. I do take a break once in a while, but I thoroughly enjoy reading everyone's posts. So why would that be considered a gang bang hang up routine? Or a wham bam thank you ma'am? I feel so used! I really dislike the guy making me a one night stand! That is up to the girls, dude. ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Rory, It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This becomes clear in several statements you have made. Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of honor. No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, superficial, inauthentic friendship. I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your request. Please be clear here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: ** Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not rhetorical. Sometimes I'll knock at a door more than once, and everybody gets a second chance, but at the end of the day, I try not to solve problems for others that they don't see as such. Doesn't stop me from being myself around them, either. I personally like strong engagement sometimes. It challenges my focus, my discrimination, and my feelings. With both Judy and Ravi, I track the center line with both, and correct any misinterpretations. Don't have a long term issue with either, as far as I know. Fist-bump, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin? Robin. I'll see if I can find the post for you. Here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! As you know, zarzari, Robin himself corrected the post around four hours later, after I'd called his attention to the four incorrectly attributed quotes from your exchange with Barry (#299915). I should probably have referred Lawson to the corrected version, but since the part of Robin's post I wanted him to read didn't contain any of the misattributed quotes and didn't have anything to do with what you and Barry had been discussing, it never occurred to me. Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? Everybody makes attribution mistakes now and then, you included, zarzari. Robin was almost exclusively responding to remarks from Vaj in that post, and Vaj himself had not been addressing anything in your exchange with Barry (in which you were speculating about Robin's mental health). He's responding to a post from Vaj. You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes, Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg... If Lawson had scrolled down to that point and read just the self-contained section that had to do with what he and I were discussing, he would have scrolled right past the first three mistakenly attributed quotes and stopped reading before the last one. He would have had no reason even to look at the misattributed quotes from your exchange with Barry; and they could hardly have been less relevant to our discussion in any case. I don't know why you want to call attention to the four mistaken attributions when you are explicitly telling folks not to look at them, but that's your affair. I seriously doubt anyone but Lawson and I went back to look at that post in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not rhetorical. Good point Doc. (Are you a cardiologist?) As much as some of us find certain behaviours odious or rank here none of us are probably going to change one molecule of anyone who is wedded to a way of dealing with and looking at life. However, as long as I continue to read posts I find I need to respond, either in support or in question of or in horror and disgust at what is apparent from those posts. I simply can not sit by and watch a pile steam and not make a move to demand the dumper clean it up. However, I can also understand how this place can overwhelm and even hurt someone. It can be mighty rough and while maybe Rory wasn't actually holding anyone in his heart as a way to heal them he was using the term metaphorically to mean when he interacts with others there is a natural bringing of them into his heart. Of course, you know Rory much, much better than I do so if you are asking him this question my answer/theory on this is probably wrong. Sometimes I'll knock at a door more than once, and everybody gets a second chance, but at the end of the day, I try not to solve problems for others that they don't see as such. Doesn't stop me from being myself around them, either. I personally like strong engagement sometimes. It challenges my focus, my discrimination, and my feelings. With both Judy and Ravi, I track the center line with both, and correct any misinterpretations. Don't have a long term issue with either, as far as I know. Fist-bump, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Here, some quotes from MY posts regarding Robin to Judy in 2011, starting 15 Dec. : And, I can answer you off-board, what the whole thing was about, we got into right now, I think it's more about Robin / MaskedZebra, I sort of can't handle his posts, I mean I get too much, to cut the whole story short. I mean all this comment of the long-winding, out of touch with reality, over the top, romanticisms, over-intellectualizations maybe you know what I mean. Maybe I just don't get him language wise, maybe there is a sort of conscious exaggeration, or play with irony, which I don't get Another post same day: He is surly a brilliant writer, but really too much off in every way, for my taste, can't help, mainly MF (edit: Mind F*ck) to me (Ravi is actually right about this), intellectual enlightened (has nothing to do with REAL enlightenment IMO) Yes, he is entertaining, but again, can't read it all. I just reread some of his posts, to really try seeing what I found so totally mad and off with him, the start letter of 'SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula', the first one and then his answer to Vaj. I get it a little better now, but it's still crazy, totally over projection. Now same day later. The revelation dawns in my mind WHO he is: Hi Judy again, Oh is this masked zebra Robin Carlsen, the guy Lassen was alluding to? Deep shit. On the next post in response to Judy: No, I had no idea! It came right at the spot I wrote it to you, I wrote from my phone. As I already told you my opinion, it becomes more and more clear: this guy is highly disturbed. I'm sort of glad I found this quite quick, just rading posts of him, not knowing the deeper shit. Poor Ravi! And thanks for the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. It's rather a leap from a post that had some mistaken attributions of quotes (that were corrected by Robin a few hours later) to questioning Robin's reliability overall. Pretty much all of us get our attributions confused from time to time. (Humorously enough, in a post denouncing Robin for having mixed up his attributions in that post, Barry fouled up *his own* attributions.) As to claiming to have been so important, the point of that post wasn't about importance, it was about the fact that Maharishi never discouraged Robin from what he was doing or cast any doubt on his enlightenment, until Robin did his number at MIU seven years later. And goodness knows the reliability of Robin's word hasn't been unaddressed here. The folks who found him threatening questioned it at every opportunity. Sadly, nobody was able to turn up any incriminating evidence. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? Gee, seems to me we went over that in great detail just a little while ago, the last time you brought it up. That's not what Robin claimed, as was discussed at length. (As Robin himself said, I did not deny something I knew was true. I denied what I was accused of.) Pretty ironic for the most egregious liar in the history of FFL to be worried about the honesty of others, innit? But hypocrisy has never posed a problem for Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Mammalian Brain Activity at Death
That hyperconscious state that some have during cardiac arrest that is called 'near death experience' may simply be a feature of the activity of a dying brain. This is the first direct scientific evidence of brain activity during cardiac arrest in a mammalian brain. Once the brain actually does die, there is no activity. Prior to this study, figuring out at what point in a near death experience the experience actually occurred was a matter of conjecture. Now we have some evidence of what is happening in a brain during the process of dying. At the moment this has to be extrapolated to humans, but it is a good starting point. --- SURGE OF NEUROPHYSIOLOGICAL COHERENCE AND CONNECTIVITY IN THE DYING BRAIN Jimo Borjigina,b,c, UnCheol Leed,, Tiecheng Liua, Dinesh Pald, Sean Huffa, Daniel Klarrd, Jennifer Slobodaa, Jason Hernandeza, Michael M. Wanga,b,c,e, and George A. Mashourc,d Author Affiliations Departments of a Molecular and Integrative Physiology, b Neurology, and d Anesthesiology, and c Neuroscience Graduate Program University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109 eVeterans Administration Ann Arbor, MI 48105 Edited by Solomon H. Snyder, The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD, and approved July 9, 2013 (received for review May 2, 2013) ABSTRACT The brain is assumed to be hypoactive during cardiac arrest. However, the neurophysiological state of the brain immediately following cardiac arrest has not been systematically investigated. In this study, we performed continuous electroencephalography in rats undergoing experimental cardiac arrest and analyzed changes in power density, coherence, directed connectivity, and cross-frequency coupling. We identified a transient surge of synchronous gamma oscillations that occurred within the first 30 s after cardiac arrest and preceded isoelectric electroencephalogram. Gamma oscillations during cardiac arrest were global and highly coherent; moreover, this frequency band exhibited a striking increase in anteriorposterior-directed connectivity and tight phase-coupling to both theta and alpha waves. High-frequency neurophysiological activity in the near-death state exceeded levels found during the conscious waking state. These data demonstrate that the mammalian brain can, albeit paradoxically, generate neural correlates of heightened conscious processing at near-death. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/08/08/1308285110.abstract
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
dear One of Many Names! You're back! Welcome! Ok, just wanted to say a quick hello, must now do post-Dome wade through of about 60 posts! Will leave you to your fun with Judy (-: Sharon From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Here, some quotes from MY posts regarding Robin to Judy in 2011, starting 15 Dec. : And, I can answer you off-board, what the whole thing was about, we got into right now, I think it's more about Robin / MaskedZebra, I sort of can't handle his posts, I mean I get too much, to cut the whole story short. I mean all this comment of the long-winding, out of touch with reality, over the top, romanticisms, over-intellectualizations maybe you know what I mean. Maybe I just don't get him language wise, maybe there is a sort of conscious exaggeration, or play with irony, which I don't get Another post same day: He is surly a brilliant writer, but really too much off in every way, for my taste, can't help, mainly MF (edit: Mind F*ck) to me (Ravi is actually right about this), intellectual enlightened (has nothing to do with REAL enlightenment IMO) Yes, he is entertaining, but again, can't read it all. I just reread some of his posts, to really try seeing what I found so totally mad and off with him, the start letter of 'SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula', the first one and then his answer to Vaj. I get it a little better now, but it's still crazy, totally over projection. Now same day later. The revelation dawns in my mind WHO he is: Hi Judy again, Oh is this masked zebra Robin Carlsen, the guy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: (snip) And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. You've once again misrepresented what I said to you, Rory. Go back and look at the posts in question (#352915 and #353026). I know nothing about your energetic process, wasn't referring to it at all; and I never said *you*, overall, were a phony. I had two very specific objections to two very specific things you had said here that felt very egotistical to me. (BTW, in #353026, the part of your post Steve quoted was not what I was referring to--it was the paragraph before that, which he snipped.) Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. At the time, you said you were very appreciative of what I had told you. Said it filled you with bliss. Guess that wasn't quite true, huh? I don't dislike you, Rory. There are aspects of your style that strike sour chords with me, but as you know I've supported you in several different ways during your visit here. You tend to come across as pretty much invincible, as if nothing negative that emanates from those less evolved than yourself can ever disturb you--indeed, as if it can only be fodder for your continued expansion. Maybe you'd want to think about taking some of the responsibility for how that self-presentation shapes the tone of the feedback you get. One isn't inclined to be particularly careful about whether one's frankness might hurt the feelings of someone who appears to be invulnerable. One isn't inclined to be particularly careful about whether one's frankness might hurt the feelings of someone who appears to be invulnerable. Yep, and it just might be an invitation to see if the guy bleeds like everyone else. Of course he does. But let's not blame the invulnerable for presenting as invulnerable. There are lots of ways to speak the sweet truth that doesn't involve bloodletting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Atheism rears its ugly head again!
Hey, Jason, welcome back and thanks for the Gene Roddenberry quote, also interesting info about cannabalism, etc. Will have to view original Star Trek through this new lens, which is always a fun activity. Nice to have so many people returning to FFL these days. Makes the banquet table even fuller. From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Atheism rears its ugly head again! --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I don't know, Buck. Can atheists really even be small minded? I mean, to come to such a conclusion that there is no God, one would, it seems to me, to have thought deeply about such matters. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I would say that atheists come to a conclusion that god is the *least* likely explanation for what we see around us - especially in the guise he deigns to appear to the religiously minded. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I would say that atheists show a great deal more strength and inner conviction than most believers simply because they've managed in most cases to overcome the decades of *conditioning* that people raised in religious cultures undergo that was designed to prevent them from *ever* doubting either the existence of God or the truth of the things He supposedly says from time to time. That's some heavy-duty conditioning, and I suggest that most people have never in their lives had the strength to counter it, and ponder such things seriously. It's far easier to just continue to believe, or pretend to. Because, after all, we all know what happens to those who *don't* do what God says. Take an example from the Bible, brilliantly retold by a more modern-day prophet. I would say that this exchange pretty much *defines* what people were taught about their relationship with God: God said to Abraham, Kill me a son Abe says, Man, you must be puttin' me on God say, No. Abe say, What? God say, You can do what you want Abe, but The next time you see me comin' you better run Abe says, Where do you want this killin' done? God says, Out on Highway 61 I think Saint Bob pretty much *nailed* the traditional notion of God in this verse. He tells you shit, and you'd damned well better do it, or else. And that's if you believe in Him. What *worse* fate could befall you if you *don't* believe in Him? Try to run through the Abraham-Issac story from two different points of view. From the first POV, assume that God does not exist, and Abe is hearing voices in his head. Having been told that such voices might come from God, he is willing to kill *his own son,* just to do what this God who never existed told him to do. That's some serious crazy. But the other point of view is even crazier. God exists, and the way He gets *His* jollies is to go to people who *do* believe in Him and tell them to kill their own children. If that's the way this story really went down, God is one sick, twisted motherfucker. And that's even crazier. Personally, I think that one of the most poignant quotes I've ever heard on the subject of the existence of God was in a line of graffiti supposedly found scrawled on the walls of Dachau when it was liberated: If there is a God, and someday I get to meet Him, the first words out of His mouth had damned well better be an apology. Cannibalism and human sacrifices were rampant 8,000 years ago and during the early days of civilisation. The story is probably a metaphorical or symbolic message that humans should not be sacrificed and an animal will do. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will -- and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain. ~ Gene Roddenberry
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not rhetorical. I think there's a serious misunderstanding going on here. Rory is NOT trying to heal other people. As I understand him, from the perspective that there is no difference between the inner and outer, he is healing the outer as it resides in the inner. He's not trying to broadcast distance healing Rory-woo at other people.
[FairfieldLife] glowing green rabbits
Does anyone else find this horrific, especially because they think they're doing something good?! http://www.kurzweilai.net/glowing-green-rabbits-demonstrate-effectiveness-of-genetic-manipulation?u
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: As you know, zarzari, Robin himself corrected the post around four hours later, after I'd called his attention to the four incorrectly attributed quotes from your exchange with Barry (#299915). No, I didn't know. I had been out of town for a few days then. The wrong post, the wrong attributions are still there, still in place. I should probably have referred Lawson to the corrected version, Exactly, that's what you should have done. Then I wouldn't have come back. People will not read all references. It is what people see, that sticks to their minds. The wrong attributions will stick, as people see them. but since the part of Robin's post I wanted him to read didn't contain any of the misattributed quotes and didn't have anything to do with what you and Barry had been discussing, it never occurred to me. I am aware of that. But this wrong text is still online, will be seen prior to scrolling, without people checking it out. As you pointed to the post, I have every right to point out the mistakes. Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? Everybody makes attribution mistakes now and then, you included, zarzari. But these were grave. It was all topsy turvy, all attributions to me were wrong, he drew his personal conclusions about me from these quotes mainly. He got everything wrong, and that was only references from the close past, not even a week ago. How could his remembrance and interpretation of events in the distant past, decades away, be accurate or reliable in any sense? From a time in which he was allegedly delusional? Your interpretation of Maharishi -through his eyes - cannot be accurate and reliable. Robin was almost exclusively responding to remarks from Vaj in that post, and Vaj himself had not been addressing anything in your exchange with Barry (in which you were speculating about Robin's mental health). He's responding to a post from Vaj. You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes, Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg... If Lawson had scrolled down to that point and read just the self-contained section that had to do with what he and I were discussing, he would have scrolled right past the first three mistakenly attributed quotes and stopped reading before the last one. He would have had no reason even to look at the misattributed quotes from your exchange with Barry; and they could hardly have been less relevant to our discussion in any case. It's not about this discussion. It is that something wrong is there and being linked to. Period. I don't know why you want to call attention to the four mistaken attributions when you are explicitly telling folks not to look at them, but that's your affair. I seriously doubt anyone but Lawson and I went back to look at that post in the first place. Right. It's my affair if I am being misrepresented online to set this straight. I should not rely on others, Mrs. Corrector to do that for me. Posts being sent in the past are being looked upon as being more authentic in a strange way, and they are being pointed to, as if they contain some secret clue or revelation. But as it turns out, they could just as easily be wrong and fictitious. And then your whole building of logic will collapse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Right on, Share! re: dear One of Many Names! One with multi personality disorder? Consistently changing avatars? I am not a psychiatrist, but I have experienced so many things and can tell you lots of gossip to attempt to discredit anyone I feel. LMAO Okay, Zarzari binks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgQ0CgUXmU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgQ0CgUXmU I am on to you. I remember when you condemned my being as talking too much about xxx or something. It is not the words that sit in my memory, it is the feelings you left me. You are doing the same thing with all that you posted in the below. You, sir, come off as A crazy, psychopath from hell. I was one free of all the past events in the TMO with the said named person you mention below. I had not clue to even a hiNt of the man's name, nor any of the hilarious marketing habits attributed to the same. Never have I read what could make me consider that being, as you mention below, who posted things in the past, as you cut and pasted about, now, as being unstable. THIS IS A GODDAMNED MESSAGE BOARD WITH LOADS OF MADE UP MATERIAL, ZARZAR. How stupid do you think readers are? Why do you wish to label someone as being so insane? You, Zarzar (iranitea) are like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nIw30hn4U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nIw30hn4U Please stop this nonsense and go and read some enlightening material with a new mind. LOL Post something more supportive to all of our awareness. ps. Helicopters over the domes? ROTFLMAO! Brilliant! You do not see that this same man who you try to condemn as mad, has won again? Marketing award of the year! Sorry, I lost my cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: dear One of Many Names! You're back! Welcome! Ok, just wanted to say a quick hello, must now do post-Dome wade through of about 60 posts! Will leave you to your fun with Judy (-: Sharon From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not rhetorical. Good point Doc. (Are you a cardiologist?) As much as some of us find certain behaviours odious or rank here none of us are probably going to change one molecule of anyone who is wedded to a way of dealing with and looking at life. However, as long as I continue to read posts I find I need to respond, either in support or in question of or in horror and disgust at what is apparent from those posts. I simply can not sit by and watch a pile steam and not make a move to demand the dumper clean it up. **Yeah, me neither. Kids need boundaries.:-) However, I can also understand how this place can overwhelm and even hurt someone. It can be mighty rough and while maybe Rory wasn't actually holding anyone in his heart as a way to heal them he was using the term metaphorically to mean when he interacts with others there is a natural bringing of them into his heart. Of course, you know Rory much, much better than I do so if you are asking him this question my answer/theory on this is probably wrong. **I hope he re-engages. Sometimes I'll knock at a door more than once, and everybody gets a second chance, but at the end of the day, I try not to solve problems for others that they don't see as such. Doesn't stop me from being myself around them, either. I personally like strong engagement sometimes. It challenges my focus, my discrimination, and my feelings. With both Judy and Ravi, I track the center line with both, and correct any misinterpretations. Don't have a long term issue with either, as far as I know. Fist-bump, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: How stupid do you think readers are? Are you seriously asking me?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Iranitea, Zarzari, You do not represent the mind of what Maharishi thinks, thought or taught, or shared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: As you know, zarzari, Robin himself corrected the post around four hours later, after I'd called his attention to the four incorrectly attributed quotes from your exchange with Barry (#299915). No, I didn't know. I had been out of town for a few days then. The wrong post, the wrong attributions are still there, still in place. I should probably have referred Lawson to the corrected version, Exactly, that's what you should have done. Then I wouldn't have come back. People will not read all references. It is what people see, that sticks to their minds. The wrong attributions will stick, as people see them. but since the part of Robin's post I wanted him to read didn't contain any of the misattributed quotes and didn't have anything to do with what you and Barry had been discussing, it never occurred to me. I am aware of that. But this wrong text is still online, will be seen prior to scrolling, without people checking it out. As you pointed to the post, I have every right to point out the mistakes. Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? Everybody makes attribution mistakes now and then, you included, zarzari. But these were grave. It was all topsy turvy, all attributions to me were wrong, he drew his personal conclusions about me from these quotes mainly. He got everything wrong, and that was only references from the close past, not even a week ago. How could his remembrance and interpretation of events in the distant past, decades away, be accurate or reliable in any sense? From a time in which he was allegedly delusional? Your interpretation of Maharishi -through his eyes - cannot be accurate and reliable. ^^ Right there. Neither through your eyes either, Mr. iranitea, zarzari. If you are a tm teacher, and I was a raja, I would fire you, just for posting all this crapola. Robin was almost exclusively responding to remarks from Vaj in that post, and Vaj himself had not been addressing anything in your exchange with Barry (in which you were speculating about Robin's mental health). He's responding to a post from Vaj. You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes, Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg... If Lawson had scrolled down to that point and read just the self-contained section that had to do with what he and I were discussing, he would have scrolled right past the first three mistakenly attributed quotes and stopped reading before the last one. He would have had no reason even to look at the misattributed quotes from your exchange with Barry; and they could hardly have been less relevant to our discussion in any case. It's not about this discussion. It is that something wrong is there and being linked to. Period. I don't know why you want to call attention to the four mistaken attributions when you are explicitly telling folks not to look at them, but that's your affair. I seriously doubt anyone but Lawson and I went back to look at that post in the first place. Right. It's my affair if I am being misrepresented online to set this straight. I should not rely on others, Mrs. Corrector to do that for me. Posts being sent in the past are being looked upon as being more authentic in a strange way, and they are being pointed to, as if they contain some secret clue or revelation. But as it turns out, they could just as easily be wrong and fictitious. And then your whole building of logic will collapse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: glowing green rabbits
Yep. They should make 'em glow pink! Who ever heard of a glowing GREEN rabbit?? They glow only under a black light, like that Zep poster you had. The article mentions also using this technique to track cats that have been inoculated against FIV (AIDS for cats). Seriously, it is mad science, but the genie is out of the bottle now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Does anyone else find this horrific, especially because they think they're doing something good?! http://www.kurzweilai.net/glowing-green-rabbits-demonstrate-effectiveness-of-genetic-manipulation?u
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Typical Ann: Now that I've said what I want to say, I'm tired of this topic. Anyway, Steve, I guess this means that Ann, underneath it all, really liked that I took a stand and established boundaries with Robin. Oh, wait a minute... From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. You certainly have a double standard when it comes to encouraging people to establish boundaries. On the one hand you applaud Rory's stand and on the other hand you overlook Share's lack of one. Again, it is her business whether she is content to be Barry's door mat but you DO seem to have an inconsistencies in your definition of stand. No need to answer, I am getting tired of this subject and just wanted to point out this small observation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: glowing green rabbits
Hey Doc, I once saw an exhibit at the Geology Museum at Univ of Wisc, Madison. Very cool place! The exhibit was all about phosphorescent critters who were all green if I remember correctly. But I think you're onto something and envision glowing rainbow critters in the near future (-: From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: glowing green rabbits Yep. They should make 'em glow pink! Who ever heard of a glowing GREEN rabbit?? They glow only under a black light, like that Zep poster you had. The article mentions also using this technique to track cats that have been inoculated against FIV (AIDS for cats). Seriously, it is mad science, but the genie is out of the bottle now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Does anyone else find this horrific, especially because they think they're doing something good?! http://www.kurzweilai.net/glowing-green-rabbits-demonstrate-effectiveness-of-genetic-manipulation?u
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: How stupid do you think readers are? Are you seriously asking me? Yes. I included all that you removed in the cut and paste: Right on, Share! re: dear One of Many Names! One with multi personality disorder? Consistently changing avatars? I am not a psychiatrist, but I have experienced so many things and can tell you lots of gossip to attempt to discredit anyone I feel. LMAO Okay, Zarzari binks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgQ0CgUXmU I am on to you. I remember when you condemned my being as talking too much about xxx or something. It is not the words that sit in my memory, it is the feelings you left me. You are doing the same thing with all that you posted in the below. You, sir, come off as A crazy, psychopath from hell. I was one free of all the past events in the TMO with the said named person you mention below. I had not clue to even a hiNt of the man's name, nor any of the hilarious marketing habits attributed to the same. Never have I read what could make me consider that being, as you mention below, who posted things in the past, as you cut and pasted about, now, as being unstable. THIS IS A GODDAMNED MESSAGE BOARD WITH LOADS OF MADE UP MATERIAL, ZARZAR. How stupid do you think readers are? Why do you wish to label someone as being so insane? You, Zarzar (iranitea) are like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nIw30hn4U Please stop this nonsense and go and read some enlightening material with a new mind. LOL Post something more supportive to all of our awareness. ps. Helicopters over the domes? ROTFLMAO! Brilliant! You do not see that this same man who you try to condemn as mad, has won again? Marketing award of the year! Sorry, I lost my cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: dear One of Many Names! You're back! Welcome! Ok, just wanted to say a quick hello, must now do post-Dome wade through of about 60 posts! Will leave you to your fun with Judy (-: Sharon From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Obbajeeba, Shukra went debilitated on Sunday. According to one jyotish newsletter, that means, and I'm not making this up: hissy fits (-: Mangal goes debilitated soon and then FFL will REALLY be fun (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Scary to think a Martyr! Share? Hey, at 7:29, the Jack Herer video, Maharishi is quickly shown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: As you know, zarzari, Robin himself corrected the post around four hours later, after I'd called his attention to the four incorrectly attributed quotes from your exchange with Barry (#299915). No, I didn't know. I had been out of town for a few days then. The wrong post, the wrong attributions are still there, still in place. I should probably have referred Lawson to the corrected version, Exactly, that's what you should have done. Then I wouldn't have come back. People will not read all references. It is what people see, that sticks to their minds. The wrong attributions will stick, as people see them. but since the part of Robin's post I wanted him to read didn't contain any of the misattributed quotes and didn't have anything to do with what you and Barry had been discussing, it never occurred to me. I am aware of that. But this wrong text is still online, will be seen prior to scrolling, without people checking it out. As you pointed to the post, I have every right to point out the mistakes. Of course you do. My question is whether it makes any sense for you to spend all this time and effort when nobody would be likely to even notice the misattributions otherwise. Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? Everybody makes attribution mistakes now and then, you included, zarzari. But these were grave. It was all topsy turvy, all attributions to me were wrong They weren't all that grave. But my point is that a post with a few misattributed quotes doesn't call the entire post in question, especially when what Robin wrote in that post had nothing to do with your exchange with Barry from which the quotes came. he drew his personal conclusions about me from these quotes mainly. He did not. He knew you were biased against him *at least* from when you called his integrity in question in this post to me: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299094 And that would obviously have been confirmed by what you wrote about him after that, leading up to this: From the very first reading of RWC I got this impression, and expressed it to somebody here. Whatever I read, hear about the whole case confirms my opinion. According to occam's razor, it is more likely he had a mental disturbance, which is known to have similar symptoms than enlightened states, than a fall from a real enlightened state (blahblahblah) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299819 From the very first reading of RWC... He got everything wrong, and that was only references from the close past, not even a week ago. He got all four attributions from your exchange with Barry wrong, not everything. He accidentally switched the first attribution around and simply mechanically continued with what appeared to be the sequence. He wasn't commenting on those quotes; he wasn't paying attention to who said what because it *wasn't relevant to what he was telling Vaj*. How could his remembrance and interpretation of events in the distant past, decades away, be accurate or reliable in any sense? From a time in which he was allegedly delusional? This doesn't make any sense. Because he got attributions wrong in one post, we should doubt everything he's said about his past?? Get real. Your interpretation of Maharishi -through his eyes - cannot be accurate and reliable. Of course it can. I don't *know* that it is, but I have no reason to think what Robin said wasn't accurate. Whatever I added of my own is obviously just guesswork, because I have no firsthand knowledge of any of it. Robin was almost exclusively responding to remarks from Vaj in that post, and Vaj himself had not been addressing anything in your exchange with Barry (in which you were speculating about Robin's mental health). He's responding to a post from Vaj. You'll need to scroll down a bit, to where Robin writes, Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg... If Lawson had scrolled down to that point and read just the self-contained section that had to do with what he and I were discussing, he would have scrolled right past the first three mistakenly attributed quotes and stopped reading before the last one. He would have had no reason even to look at the misattributed quotes from your exchange with Barry; and they could hardly have been less relevant to our discussion in any case. It's not about this discussion. It is that something wrong is there and being linked to. Period. Oh, boo-hoo. That's a risk you run on a forum like this, that somebody's going to get something wrong and attribute to you something you never said, or attribute something you said to someone else. Live with it. I've had it happen to me, and I don't freak out about it. I don't know why you want to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Typical Ann: Now that I've said what I want to say, I'm tired of this topic. Anyway, Steve, I guess this means that Ann, underneath it all, really liked that I took a stand and established boundaries with Robin. Oh, wait a minute... You've got dirt on your face and what looks like Barry's footprint. Share, I am happy if you are happy to remain a door mat. Pick and choose whose feet you want on your face. Obviously, you prefer Barry's to Robin's. Your choice. Have a great life. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. You certainly have a double standard when it comes to encouraging people to establish boundaries. On the one hand you applaud Rory's stand and on the other hand you overlook Share's lack of one. Again, it is her business whether she is content to be Barry's door mat but you DO seem to have an inconsistencies in your definition of stand. No need to answer, I am getting tired of this subject and just wanted to point out this small observation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Hi Ann, What may be a double standard to one, may just be a different way of looking at something to another. Share takes attacks from many quarters here. It was not surprising to me to see Barry launch his own attack. As I said before, I never saw Share as sucking up to Barry Share has her own style of interaction which I see as generally cordial, and one of trying to find common ground. If Barry sees that as mindless, or stupid, or attention getting, then I think that really only reveals something about him as opposed to Share. She is also quite open about ideas and spiritual pursuits she finds interesting. Evidently that seems to bother some people. The notion of Share being described as a doormat strikes me as preposterous. But thank you for pointing out what you feel is an inconsistency in my reasoning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to pursue. You certainly have a double standard when it comes to encouraging people to establish boundaries. On the one hand you applaud Rory's stand and on the other hand you overlook Share's lack of one. Again, it is her business whether she is content to be Barry's door mat but you DO seem to have an inconsistencies in your definition of stand. No need to answer, I am getting tired of this subject and just wanted to point out this small observation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff wrote: Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process bullcrap and opining that I am as phony as a three-dollar bill is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much
[FairfieldLife] Re: glowing green rabbits
Some of the sea creatures far below the reach of sunlight are amazing, too! There is one, a type of squid I think, that changes colors rapidly. All I can do is make my face red...but I also have a bunch of cool t-shirts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hey Doc, I once saw an exhibit at the Geology Museum at Univ of Wisc, Madison. Very cool place! The exhibit was all about phosphorescent critters who were all green if I remember correctly. But I think you're onto something and envision glowing rainbow critters in the near future (-: From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: glowing green rabbits  Yep. They should make 'em glow pink! Who ever heard of a glowing GREEN rabbit?? They glow only under a black light, like that Zep poster you had. The article mentions also using this technique to track cats that have been inoculated against FIV (AIDS for cats). Seriously, it is mad science, but the genie is out of the bottle now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Does anyone else find this horrific, especially because they think they're doing something good?! http://www.kurzweilai.net/glowing-green-rabbits-demonstrate-effectiveness-of-genetic-manipulation?u
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know the Way to Chico, CA?
Many Gujaratis who came to the US bought and run hotels and motels. They, for some reason, are particularly good at it. Another friend, who is Gujarati, has a bunch of Indian restaurants in the Bay Area as well as producing a lot of the Bollywood concerts here. On 08/13/2013 07:47 PM, John wrote: Bhairitu, Yes, the weather was excellent over there as compared to foggy San Francisco, CA. I don't know if it means anything. But when I checked in to a budget motel in town, I found out that the motel was owned by a family from India. It was rather surprising to see a picture of a guru at the check-in counter in a small northern California town. Anyway, I just had to get out of town from SF since they had a big annual rock concert at the Golden Gate Park for the entire weekend. You could hear them play from my place and did not have to stop until 10 PM at night. Next year, I'll have to visit another town for a weekend getaway. JR PS By the way I later found out that Paul McCartney was playing in that concert. Last Friday night, I did hear a band playing some old Beatles tune. But I thought it was one of those copycat bands that was playing. Little did I know that it was Sir Paul himself who was playing.
[FairfieldLife] Adolph Sings
A TM friend of mine sent me this - I like it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UKot0qIFb4
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Thanks, I was aware, Share. Fun to watch the changes! I think it will just fizzle out everyone's energy and no one will say a word to each other. Probably make us all temporary eunuchs. So get ready for some serious Bananagramings! Go girl! Get on it! I am in the cave, anyways. A new era about to begin and I am starting it off with yagyas and penance during this last week of Shravan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Obbajeeba, Shukra went debilitated on Sunday. According to one jyotish newsletter, that means, and I'm not making this up: hissy fits (-: Mangal goes debilitated soon and then FFL will REALLY be fun (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Scary to think a Martyr! Share? Hey, at 7:29, the Jack Herer video, Maharishi is quickly shown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
I get that, Alex. I am familiar with the technique Rory uses for his own integration, and I support it, for him. However, even his inner consideration, leading him to his self-abuse, can only go so far. Internal knowledge runs dry at some point. At that point, it is time to figure out where the disconnect is, and directly check in with the problem particles. Seems like he got caught in a self-referential loop. I know he wasn't trying to do long distance anything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not rhetorical. I think there's a serious misunderstanding going on here. Rory is NOT trying to heal other people. As I understand him, from the perspective that there is no difference between the inner and outer, he is healing the outer as it resides in the inner. He's not trying to broadcast distance healing Rory-woo at other people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after himself. So no, I'll let you know directly if I think you're out of line or abusive. So far, so good. Personally, I don't want to mess with you so I'll do my damnedest to keep that formidable warrior part of yourself fighting with me, not against me. Deal? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music... Bringing you da freshest! This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot copyright Temple Dog 2013 Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know the Way to Chico, CA?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Many Gujaratis who came to the US bought and run hotels and motels. They, for some reason, are particularly good at it. Sounds like dharma... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: snip Of course you do. My question is whether it makes any sense for you to spend all this time and effort when nobody would be likely to even notice the misattributions otherwise. Don' worry about my time, Judy. It makes sense to me and that is enough. You are the fighter for Truth, aren't you? You are the one who wants to always keep the record straight. So, you should be happy I assist you. snip He did not. He knew you were biased against him *at least* from when you called his integrity in question in this post to me: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299094 And that would obviously have been confirmed by what you wrote about him after that, leading up to this: From the very first reading of RWC I got this impression, and expressed it to somebody here. Whatever I read, hear about the whole case confirms my opinion. According to occam's razor, it is more likely he had a mental disturbance, which is known to have similar symptoms than enlightened states, than a fall from a real enlightened state (blahblahblah) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299819 You don't have to look that up in old posts. I was just quoting it more accurately from my own posts to you, right in this thread. I don't call that biased. The point is: prior to reading him online at FFL, I had no bias. What you call bias, is actually my conclusion from reading his posts. I don't call this bias. snip Of course it can. I don't *know* that it is, but I have no reason to think what Robin said wasn't accurate. Whatever I added of my own is obviously just guesswork, because I have no firsthand knowledge of any of it. You haven't spend any time in the movement. It is not your fault, but, sorry, it shows. You may take this is an informative clue, from Maharishi, as quoted by John Cowhig: Tell that stupid man, what is his name? that madman who thinks he's functioning with Maharishi's secret guidance - tell him he is a shame to the movement. Regarding Maharishis thinking, that should settle it I think. http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning Maybe we really shouldn't laugh at Ihare. It's not nice to mock the mentally disabled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Now Ann's integrity dips even lower as she makes fun of people with a speech impediment. I guess this past day of 3 or 4 of them vs. me was just too much for her. Plus she's too insecure to apologize for her wrong accusation. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, it was Triguna who told me I am pure pitta. Good enough for you? What's despicable is that Ann admitted she couldn't remember and yet accused me of making something up. Your lack of integrity shows in your supporting her. Dithpicable, dithpicable me, and you too Judy, have you no SHAME??!!! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: tee hee, only someone who thinks ayurveda is *goobly gook* would call a pure pitta person colder than ice. Don't remember calling ayurveda goobly gook so I probably didn't. No, you spelled gobbledygook correctly, and you weren't referring to ayurveda itself but rather to Zhare writing *about* both ayurveda and jyotish: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352125 You're making things up and I'm pretty sure you aren't pure anything. Ask her whether pitta is her prakriti or her vikriti. She knows what the difference is, but she probably won't tell you which. Her prakriti would be the dosha balance she was born with, whereas her vikriti would be her *current* dosha balance. You can see why this would be important given her comment above. Here is a small rhyme for you: Pitta patter on my roof, Someone here acts like a goof. Sometimes sorry, often lost, Looking on with eyeballs crossed. She can't help it - scrambled eggs Hopes for cookies not the dregs. Whipping up a sattvic feast, Can it help to fill the beast? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Silly Ann, it's not that the Karate Chop point hurts! Duh! Oh dear, oh duh, it's not the karate that smarts, But sometimes I think you're way off the charts. You play like you're merry, you play like you're nice, But in spite of your sorrys you're colder than ice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know the Way to Chico, CA?
That is why they are known as, Patel Hotel. There is loaning within the family name which allows for many Gurjaratis to buy motels. I knew a Patel, who was not qualifying and it upset him to no end. haha. He owned a small restaurant instead. Would share with me some of the dirty details. It is not that they are good at it. They buy them cheap, do little maintenance and keep it as the family business, unlike the large franchise owners who have an expense of outside managers, maids, etc. Find me a clean bathroom LOL :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Many Gujaratis who came to the US bought and run hotels and motels. They, for some reason, are particularly good at it. Another friend, who is Gujarati, has a bunch of Indian restaurants in the Bay Area as well as producing a lot of the Bollywood concerts here. On 08/13/2013 07:47 PM, John wrote: Bhairitu, Yes, the weather was excellent over there as compared to foggy San Francisco, CA. I don't know if it means anything. But when I checked in to a budget motel in town, I found out that the motel was owned by a family from India. It was rather surprising to see a picture of a guru at the check-in counter in a small northern California town. Anyway, I just had to get out of town from SF since they had a big annual rock concert at the Golden Gate Park for the entire weekend. You could hear them play from my place and did not have to stop until 10 PM at night. Next year, I'll have to visit another town for a weekend getaway. JR PS By the way I later found out that Paul McCartney was playing in that concert. Last Friday night, I did hear a band playing some old Beatles tune. But I thought it was one of those copycat bands that was playing. Little did I know that it was Sir Paul himself who was playing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Right. It's my affair if I am being misrepresented online to set this straight. I should not rely on others, Mrs. Corrector to do that for me. I'm just pointing out that you have ended up calling attention--loudly and repeatedly--to what you supposedly don't want people to read. Ah, okay, I get it. I should sit here, not correct the mistakes, and hope that nobody will read it. Good advice Judy, I knew I can count on you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Me too! I'm in Mangal Ketu Rahu and had pujas for them all during the night. Maybe why I slept much better, feel so much better. Just ordered a puja for Venus since it rules my chart. Penance?! Serious bananagramming! Maybe the best yagya of all! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share Thanks, I was aware, Share. Fun to watch the changes! I think it will just fizzle out everyone's energy and no one will say a word to each other. Probably make us all temporary eunuchs. So get ready for some serious Bananagramings! Go girl! Get on it! I am in the cave, anyways. A new era about to begin and I am starting it off with yagyas and penance during this last week of Shravan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Obbajeeba, Shukra went debilitated on Sunday. According to one jyotish newsletter, that means, and I'm not making this up: hissy fits (-: Mangal goes debilitated soon and then FFL will REALLY be fun (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Scary to think a Martyr! Share? Hey, at 7:29, the Jack Herer video, Maharishi is quickly shown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chilling
On 08/13/2013 01:43 PM, azgrey wrote: Spoiler alert Events of season 5.2 revealed here. The way Walt made baby Holly wave goodbye to Hank. The little high pitched sweet voice. Chilling. Made my skin crawl. Completely innocent of evil. Even though it is chronologically prior to Walt finding Leaves of Grass missing and the GPS on his car along with the subsequent epiphany regarding Hank, this was another of a score of Checkov's guns that arose in this episode. Tread lightly harkening back to to the close-up of the motto of the license plate of the car Walt drove to Denny's in the cold opening scene of season 5. Barry2 expressed last year that he felt the import of the inscription written by G.B. that Hank read inside Leaves of Grass would go over the head of most viewers. I feel otherwise. The type of viewer attracted to this show learns, or has the natural ability, to constantly scan for this type of clue which is inherent in the very DNA of BB. This particular scene is unique in that it produces in the viewer a mental equivalent of the use of a visual intensely quick zoom-lens shot as the viewer sees the character gain a realization that the viewer gained long before. This is tremendous work by the screen writers as it instantaneously drives the dramatic tension of anticipation to a new level while at the same time equalizes the knowledge/understanding level of viewer and character. This show is masterful at communicatioing epiphanies without using dialogue. Sounds. Lighting. Unique angles and lens. Taking something as cliched as Walt looking at himself in a broken mirror, eyes blurred, is done in such a way that it feels fresh in a Breakingly Bad way. Damn! I loves me this show. Did you follow up the show by watching Talking Bad? Vince Gilligan was there and the Leaves of Grass thing was discussed. BTW, Bryan Cranston, who directed this episode, suggested to Dean Norris that to play it that he ran out of toilet paper and to start to rip the page out of the book and notice it. Dean didn't go with it though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
But Judy, in just the last 2 days you've called me mentally disabled and also used the word psychopathology in reference to me and turq! Are you suggesting it's ok because you did not use a label like OCD or NPD?! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. Judy, I get what you are saying. And I wasn't giving out my opinion right away. But you have to take into account, that we are not talking here about anybody. We are talking here about somebody who claims the highest state of enlightenment, access, more than anybody else, to the highest level of truth, acting like a teacher, here on this forum, being a cult leader in the past, who at least was highly manipulative, and showed the signs of this here online as well. So, you had only the choice to accept his special claim of insight to truth, or insight into what other people thought and felt, or challenge these insights and experiences as something else. He didn't leave you much of a choice, you either had to accept him as some sort of an authority, admire him, as you did, or you questioned the very source of all his claims. So at some point, rightly or wrongly, I felt that I had to make my own position clear, not being vague, and people knew, I was hiding my opinion, and called me out on that. That was right or wrong, but I did it. I am not the ultimate judge over him, and I am not the first. And please note, I didn't do it out of aggression or to hurt him. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. Sure, that's obvious. But you are not looking at the whole picture either. There are cultural differences, and differences, of how we understand a certain label. At a certain point, I felt I needed to make a clear stand. If he is so enlightened (in whatever way), as you seemed to believe, I knew - I KNEW - he could digest it. He would have been above that. If not, it would have been better he stopped right here. And for myself, I just wanted to end the game. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me. If you call, forming an opinion, based on what one has read, prejudiced, well then I was. Otherwise not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Adolph Sings
Funny! This is my favorite parody of The Bunker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSD0Mjt64LQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: A TM friend of mine sent me this - I like it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UKot0qIFb4
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Me too! I'm in Mangal Ketu Rahu and had pujas for them all during the night. Maybe why I slept much better, feel so much better. Just ordered a puja for Venus since it rules my chart. **Amazing! I ordered a grilled cheese from Flames, yesterday, since it rules my stomach. lol - Flames is a coffee shop nearby, and my daughter always steals some of the fries off of my plate, when we eat there. Penance?! Serious bananagramming! Maybe the best yagya of all! From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share  Thanks, I was aware, Share. Fun to watch the changes! I think it will just fizzle out everyone's energy and no one will say a word to each other. Probably make us all temporary eunuchs. So get ready for some serious Bananagramings! Go girl! Get on it! I am in the cave, anyways. A new era about to begin and I am starting it off with yagyas and penance during this last week of Shravan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Obbajeeba, Shukra went debilitated on Sunday. According to one jyotish newsletter, that means, and I'm not making this up: hissy fits (-: Mangal goes debilitated soon and then FFL will REALLY be fun (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share àScary to think a Martyr! Share? Hey, at 7:29, the Jack Herer video, Maharishi is quickly shown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Share, you have Stockholm syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome I think there's more to it than that, but this is certainly an element. I suspect another aspect is the one Ann pointed out last night, addressing Barry: I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. Prescient. In any case, between Barry's treatment of Share (among many others) and Share's apparent reaction, the psychopathology is nothing short of spectacular.
[FairfieldLife] Eric Isen: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/14/2013
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) He did not [base his opinion of zarzari on that misattributed quote]. He knew you were biased against him *at least* from when you called his integrity in question in this post to me: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299094 And that would obviously have been confirmed by what you wrote about him after that, leading up to this: From the very first reading of RWC I got this impression, and expressed it to somebody here. Whatever I read, hear about the whole case confirms my opinion. According to occam's razor, it is more likely he had a mental disturbance, which is known to have similar symptoms than enlightened states, than a fall from a real enlightened state (blahblahblah) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299819 You don't have to look that up in old posts. I was just quoting it more accurately from my own posts to you, right in this thread. ?? Your quote is no more accurate than mine. I don't call that biased. I do. So have others. The point is: prior to reading him online at FFL, I had no bias. Duh! Nobody said you did. snip Of course it can. I don't *know* that it is, but I have no reason to think what Robin said wasn't accurate. Whatever I added of my own is obviously just guesswork, because I have no firsthand knowledge of any of it. You haven't spend any time in the movement. It is not your fault, but, sorry, it shows. You may take this is an informative clue, from Maharishi, as quoted by John Cowhig: Tell that stupid man, what is his name? that madman who thinks he's functioning with Maharishi's secret guidance - tell him he is a shame to the movement. Yes, we've seen that before here. That was *after* Robin had stirred everything up at MIU and was beginning to look as though he might pose a real threat to Maharishi's authority. He had already become a threat to order at MIU. The issue is Maharishi's failure to sanction him in any way *up to that point*, which is what Robin was describing in his post. That quote from Cowhig was the point, according to the book, at which Robin decided to sue MIU and force Maharishi to confirm or deny his enlightenment in open court. Regarding Maharishis thinking, that should settle it I think. I might point out that we have no evidence that Maharishi actually said what Cowhig quoted him as saying. If Cowhig's quote is accurate (and was reported accurately), on the other hand, one might also wonder whether Maharishi had simply decided he was going to have to throw Robin under the bus at that point as the quickest way to get rid of the MIU controversy. Goodness knows there are plenty of stories, many of them reported on this very forum, of Maharishi's propensity to betray people who had for whatever reason become problematic. http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Tell that stupid man, what is his name? that madman who thinks he's functioning with Maharishi's secret guidance - tell him he is a shame to the movement. Yes, we've seen that before here. That was *after* Robin had stirred everything up at MIU and was beginning to look as though he might pose a real threat to Maharishi's authority. He had already become a threat to order at MIU. The issue is Maharishi's failure to sanction him in any way *up to that point*, which is what Robin was describing in his post. That quote from Cowhig was the point, according to the book, at which Robin decided to sue MIU and force Maharishi to confirm or deny his enlightenment in open court. Regarding Maharishis thinking, that should settle it I think. I might point out that we have no evidence that Maharishi actually said what Cowhig quoted him as saying. I attribute that doubt to your lack of exposure to the movement. Everybody in the movement knew John Cowhig to be a skin boy, a long term secretary of Maharishi. If Cowhig said something, it meant that it came straight from Maharishi, I have no doubt. If Cowhig's quote is accurate (and was reported accurately), on the other hand, one might also wonder whether Maharishi had simply decided he was going to have to throw Robin under the bus at that point as the quickest way to get rid of the MIU controversy. Quite obviously Robin had exhausted Maharishis patience. Clearly Maharishi gave Robin a chance, trying to let him work out his possible enlightenment. Obviously Robin misused that trust by his behavior. There are similar cases, where Maharishi took other controversial people within the movement, to sort of let them work out things there. Another example was Peter Hübner of WYMS fame, better known as movement Nazis in Seelisberg. Ultimately, this didn't work out either, and Maharishi called Hübner his Judas. I don't see how Robin was different. Goodness knows there are plenty of stories, many of them reported on this very forum, of Maharishi's propensity to betray people who had for whatever reason become problematic. So why do you speak of Maharishis propensity to betray, and not of Robins propensity to betray others, based for example on what you could read in the CULT? What makes you give Robin so much more credibility than Maharishi? http://tinyurl.com/nwpvnuc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Interesting timeline. I knew who he was when he showed up here, but knew next to nothing about him, because I was long gone from the TM movement when he was (or considered himself to be) hot shit at MIU. My initial reactions were to the writing (bad), and what I immediately thought they were symptomatic of (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). My assessment has not changed in the time since. Ah yes, now that you mention it, I do remember having a short email conversation with someone about meeting Carlos. I never realized that was you. Interesting guy. More than a little an NPD charlatan himself, but interesting. And unlike Robin, he could *write*. Take care, and I hope you stick around a while. Things have been pretty lean here since this whole experiment thang started... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, it contains many wrong attributions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so many mistakes? A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would the word of the person who is still claiming to have been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* be in the first place. A *lot* of the silly defenses of Robin on this forum seem to be based on taking the word of a documented liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Here, some quotes from MY posts regarding Robin to Judy in 2011, starting 15 Dec. : And, I can answer you off-board, what the whole thing was about, we got into right now, I think it's more about Robin / MaskedZebra, I sort of can't handle his posts, I mean I get too much, to cut the whole story short. I mean all this comment of the long-winding, out of touch with reality, over the top, romanticisms, over-intellectualizations maybe you know what I mean. Maybe I just don't get him language wise, maybe there is a sort of conscious exaggeration, or play with irony, which I don't get Another post same day: He is surly a brilliant writer, but really too much off in every way, for my taste, can't help, mainly MF (edit: Mind F*ck) to me (Ravi is actually right about this), intellectual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: But Judy, in just the last 2 days you've called me mentally disabled and also used the word psychopathology in reference to me and turq! Are you suggesting it's ok because you did not use a label like OCD or NPD?! Yes!?! It's the labels for specific diagnoses that are the problem. I never used clinical labels. You may identify them as such. I wasn't even aware that borderline IS a clinical label. I had explained and defined the way I saw it, in the private letter I just reposted. If you are talking of labels of the American Medical Society, I am not American. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know the Way to Chico, CA?
Obba, I heard of that family name. They own several hotels here in San Francisco, CA. It must be their caste trade. That's why they're good at it. I could say the same thing for some Italian families who run the restaurants at the Fisherman's Wharf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: That is why they are known as, Patel Hotel. There is loaning within the family name which allows for many Gurjaratis to buy motels. I knew a Patel, who was not qualifying and it upset him to no end. haha. He owned a small restaurant instead. Would share with me some of the dirty details. It is not that they are good at it. They buy them cheap, do little maintenance and keep it as the family business, unlike the large franchise owners who have an expense of outside managers, maids, etc. Find me a clean bathroom LOL :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Many Gujaratis who came to the US bought and run hotels and motels. They, for some reason, are particularly good at it. Another friend, who is Gujarati, has a bunch of Indian restaurants in the Bay Area as well as producing a lot of the Bollywood concerts here. On 08/13/2013 07:47 PM, John wrote: Bhairitu, Yes, the weather was excellent over there as compared to foggy San Francisco, CA. I don't know if it means anything. But when I checked in to a budget motel in town, I found out that the motel was owned by a family from India. It was rather surprising to see a picture of a guru at the check-in counter in a small northern California town. Anyway, I just had to get out of town from SF since they had a big annual rock concert at the Golden Gate Park for the entire weekend. You could hear them play from my place and did not have to stop until 10 PM at night. Next year, I'll have to visit another town for a weekend getaway. JR PS By the way I later found out that Paul McCartney was playing in that concert. Last Friday night, I did hear a band playing some old Beatles tune. But I thought it was one of those copycat bands that was playing. Little did I know that it was Sir Paul himself who was playing.
[FairfieldLife] The disaster called 'ObamaCare'.
Turns out ObamaCare is NO care at all for some and to think some of these very folks voted for this buffoon! http://therightscoop.com/nbc-news-businesses-unions-colleges-all-say-employee-hours-being-cut-over-obamcare-but-wh-says-no-evidence/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. Judy, I get what you are saying. And I wasn't giving out my opinion right away. But you have to take into account, that we are not talking here about anybody. We are talking here about somebody who claims the highest state of enlightenment, Claimed it *as of 35 years ago*. access, more than anybody else, to the highest level of truth, acting like a teacher, here on this forum, being a cult leader in the past, who at least was highly manipulative, and showed the signs of this here online as well. I don't agree with your description (except for cult leader in the past, which role he had decisively renounced decades before he got here). So, you had only the choice to accept his special claim of insight to truth, or insight into what other people thought and felt, or challenge these insights and experiences as something else. He didn't leave you much of a choice, you either had to accept him as some sort of an authority, admire him, as you did, or you questioned the very source of all his claims. Question him all you like. That wasn't what I was objecting to. So at some point, rightly or wrongly, I felt that I had to make my own position clear, not being vague, and people knew, I was hiding my opinion, and called me out on that. That was right or wrong, but I did it. I am not the ultimate judge over him, and I am not the first. And please note, I didn't do it out of aggression or to hurt him. Sorry, I don't believe you. I think you wanted to punish him for having the nerve, in your view, to claim to have been enlightened. Same with Barry. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. Sure, that's obvious. But you are not looking at the whole picture either. There are cultural differences, and differences, of how we understand a certain label. So in your culture it's OK to speculate about psychiatric labels for people, in public, in their presence? Really? At a certain point, I felt I needed to make a clear stand. If he is so enlightened (in whatever way), as you seemed to believe You are misrepresenting what I told you in private by leaving out part of what I said. I do not believe and did not believe that whatever was left of his enlightenment--if anything--would have armored him against the kind of hurtful, hostile garbage you and Barry hung on him. In any case, *you* didn't think he'd ever been enlightened, so you can't use what I thought as an excuse. The guy had been through hell for 25-plus years, in seclusion, beating himself up for what he'd done, trying to get his head on straight, and finally being successful. He deserved bouquets, not brickbats. He was nothing but courteous to you even in his response to your hostile challenge to his integrity. I knew - I KNEW - he could digest it. He would have been above that. If not, it would have been better he stopped right here. What does stopped right here mean in this context?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: You don't have to look that up in old posts. I was just quoting it more accurately from my own posts to you, right in this thread. ?? Your quote is no more accurate than mine. They were more precise, specific. I don't call that biased. I do. So have others. That's why they are called your minions. The point is: prior to reading him online at FFL, I had no bias. Duh! Nobody said you did. So then for you having a bias, and having an opinion is really the same?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
Judy, in your opinion, why are labels for specific diagnoses the problem and not using a more general term like psychopathology? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: But Judy, in just the last 2 days you've called me mentally disabled and also used the word psychopathology in reference to me and turq! Are you suggesting it's ok because you did not use a label like OCD or NPD?! Yes!?! It's the labels for specific diagnoses that are the problem. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: So why do you speak of Maharishis propensity to betray, and not of Robins propensity to betray others, based for example on what you could read in the CULT? What makes you give Robin so much more credibility than Maharishi? Robin demonstrated his integrity by piling on to the enemies he was supposed to pile on to and making them his enemies, too. Maharishi never did. Bastid. Who can trust anyone who won't do what they're told to do? :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: You don't have to look that up in old posts. I was just quoting it more accurately from my own posts to you, right in this thread. ?? Your quote is no more accurate than mine. They were more precise, specific. I quoted your posts word for word. Doesn't get any more precise and specific than that. I don't call that biased. I do. So have others. That's why they are called your minions. How many other poor excuses for your behavior can you come up with, I wonder? The point is: prior to reading him online at FFL, I had no bias. Duh! Nobody said you did. So then for you having a bias, and having an opinion is really the same? Depends on the reasoning behind the opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, in your opinion, why are labels for specific diagnoses the problem and not using a more general term like psychopathology? Because they sound much more authoritative, as if someone has a degree of professional expertise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: So why do you speak of Maharishis propensity to betray, and not of Robins propensity to betray others, based for example on what you could read in the CULT? What makes you give Robin so much more credibility than Maharishi? Robin demonstrated his integrity by piling on to the enemies he was supposed to pile on to and making them his enemies, too. Maharishi never did. What the fuck are you talking about? Which enemies? Bastid. Who can trust anyone who won't do what they're told to do? :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: But Judy, in just the last 2 days you've called me mentally disabled and also used the word psychopathology in reference to me and turq! Are you suggesting it's ok because you did not use a label like OCD or NPD?! Yes!?! It's the labels for specific diagnoses that are the problem. I never used clinical labels. You may identify them as such. I wasn't even aware that borderline IS a clinical label. Oh, right. Or schizophrenic disorder. Bullshit. I had explained and defined the way I saw it, in the private letter I just reposted. If you are talking of labels of the American Medical Society, I am not American. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. You were obviously, documentably, prejudiced against Robin long before that, zazari, based on what you've said in your posts and in email to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
Don't think you're going to get very far with this ploy, Share, not after your output of the last few days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  Maybe we really shouldn't laugh at Ihare. It's not nice to mock the mentally disabled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Now Ann's integrity dips even lower as she makes fun of people with a speech impediment. I guess this past day of 3 or 4 of them vs. me was just too much for her. Plus she's too insecure to apologize for her wrong accusation.àFrom: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, it was Triguna who told me I am pure pitta. Good enough for you? What's despicable is that Ann admitted she couldn't remember and yet accused me of making something up. Your lack of integrity shows in your supporting her. Dithpicable, dithpicable me, and you too Judy, have you no SHAME??!!! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: tee hee, only someone who thinks ayurveda is *goobly gook* would call a pure pitta person colder than ice. Don't remember calling ayurveda goobly gook so I probably didn't. No, you spelled gobbledygook correctly, and you weren't referring to ayurveda itself but rather to Zhare writing *about* both ayurveda and jyotish: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352125 You're making things up and I'm pretty sure you aren't pure anything. Ask her whether pitta is her prakriti or her vikriti. She knows what the difference is, but she probably won't tell you which. Her prakriti would be the dosha balance she was born with, whereas her vikriti would be her *current* dosha balance. You can see why this would be important given her comment above. Here is a small rhyme for you: Pitta patter on my roof, Someone here acts like a goof. Sometimes sorry, often lost, Looking on with eyeballs crossed. She can't help it - scrambled eggs Hopes for cookies not the dregs. Whipping up a sattvic feast, Can it help to fill the beast? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Silly Ann, it's not that the Karate Chop point hurts! Duh! Oh dear, oh duh, it's not the karate that smarts, But sometimes I think you're way off the charts. You play like you're merry, you play like you're nice, But in spite of your sorrys you're colder than ice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: (snip) It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! Just freaking hilarious. There's nothing in what I wrote to you that I'd mind anybody seeing, first of all; second, just in case I'd kept the correspondence (I did), I hardly think you'd be so stupid as to *misquote* what you had said. I have to wonder why Barry isn't calling you out as a Drama Queen. ...and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! (guffaw) This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Right, as long as it was private. (snip) Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. Judy, I get what you are saying. And I wasn't giving out my opinion right away. But you have to take into account, that we are not talking here about anybody. We are talking here about somebody who claims the highest state of enlightenment, access, more than anybody else, to the highest level of truth, acting like a teacher, here on this forum, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V4jxkoXp2U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V4jxkoXp2U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2H7NaiZtkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2H7NaiZtkQ being a cult leader in the past, who at least was highly manipulative, and showed the signs of this here online as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJlo2WRDbw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJlo2WRDbw . and who proclaimed this enlightened state is possible to attain in the first place? .who attained worldly recognition in the 60's by 4 minstrels from the west? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je5-Bs_3iHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je5-Bs_3iHU Of course when I was on a few courses, I was told repeatedly the Beatles were asked to leave the Ashram, not the other way around. I guess that was to cover the rumor of the Beatle camp story of someone not happy with the Beatles being with Maharishi and to stop the other rumor, another was told. I was told the Beatles were told to leave because of some talk of drug use, etc. (A Governor is the one who made sure we knew this, and it was the Beach Boys who were the heros, blah, blah, blah. In the 90's the Beatles were still silently talked about as being kind of bad in reference to the TMO, rumors though.) Rumors of what is true or not. I will not condemn the Maharishi or the Beatles or the MaskedZebra or RWC, for anything, because I myself have had extreme circumstances that I will not carry out on a message board. The fact that we as humans make idols out of anyone is beyond sanity. lol So, no zarzar, I am not going to buy your attempting to bring a bad name upon a man who no longer posts here. Just as I will not say bad things about the Maharishi (out of respect) and also any of the Beatles, regardless of what it cost the TMO to pay to have McCartney and Ringo at the Radio City Music Hall that one year. I know they were paid in some way. It costed a bundle. .and before we go jacking people up on a cross, why not go within the very reason why anyone would have been able to make such claims or such awareness or
Re: [FairfieldLife] The disaster called 'ObamaCare'.
Yeah, but it's the thought that counts, screw the rest of it. :) From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The disaster called 'ObamaCare'. Turns out ObamaCare is NO care at all for some and to think some of these very folks voted for this buffoon! http://therightscoop.com/nbc-news-businesses-unions-colleges-all-say-employee-hours-being-cut-over-obamcare-but-wh-says-no-evidence/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: (snip) The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. The problem was 2, not 1. I've made my position clear on this sort of thing. I made it crystal clear to you in private, and I've spoken out about it publicly as well (as has Emily). The trend on this forum toward speculatively slapping psychiatric labels on people--especially in their presence--on this forum, by nonprofessionals yet, is unconscionable and disgraceful. It's also *ipso facto* hostile and insulting, whether it's NPD or BPD or, as zarzari also speculated about Robin (and does again below), some schizophrenic disorder. Judy, I get what you are saying. And I wasn't giving out my opinion right away. But you have to take into account, that we are not talking here about anybody. We are talking here about somebody who claims the highest state of enlightenment, Claimed it *as of 35 years ago*. No, right here, he was still making appeals to have special insight into, what he called people's first persons ontology. You yourself believed him to be still in a sort of enlighetend state (as you wrote to me in one of those mails.) access, more than anybody else, to the highest level of truth, acting like a teacher, here on this forum, being a cult leader in the past, who at least was highly manipulative, and showed the signs of this here online as well. I don't agree with your description (except for cult leader in the past, which role he had decisively renounced decades before he got here). So, you had only the choice to accept his special claim of insight to truth, or insight into what other people thought and felt, or challenge these insights and experiences as something else. He didn't leave you much of a choice, you either had to accept him as some sort of an authority, admire him, as you did, or you questioned the very source of all his claims. Question him all you like. That wasn't what I was objecting to. So at some point, rightly or wrongly, I felt that I had to make my own position clear, not being vague, and people knew, I was hiding my opinion, and called me out on that. That was right or wrong, but I did it. I am not the ultimate judge over him, and I am not the first. And please note, I didn't do it out of aggression or to hurt him. Sorry, I don't believe you. I think you wanted to punish him for having the nerve, in your view, to claim to have been enlightened. See, Judy, that's really what makes you so weird, you believe you know peoples motivations, and come up with the most absurd theory. What makes you so sure about this rubbish you just said? Same with Barry. Now that's the point! That says more about you than you think. A clear give away. thank you. I can't possibly feel friendly toward anyone who does that, *to anybody*. Sure, that's obvious. But you are not looking at the whole picture either. There are cultural differences, and differences, of how we understand a certain label. So in your culture it's OK to speculate about psychiatric labels for people, in public, in their presence? Really? At a certain point, I felt I needed to make a clear stand. If he is so enlightened (in whatever way), as you seemed to believe You are misrepresenting what I told you in private by leaving out part of what I said. I do not believe and did not believe that whatever was left of his enlightenment--if anything--would have armored him against the kind of hurtful, hostile garbage you and Barry hung on him. In any case, *you* didn't think he'd ever been enlightened, so you can't use what I thought as an excuse. No, you are wrong. I clearly considered the possibility. I know what I was thinking, when I wrote this. You don't. The guy had been through hell for 25-plus years, in seclusion, beating himself up for what he'd done, trying to get his head on straight, and finally being successful. According to his own dramatic testimony. Now, IF he has been so cruel to himself, casting himself into this situation, what am I to blame for? If he really went through all this, really and honestly, how could my feeble opinion, me, a nobody, have disturbed him? If he could take Maharishis 'Madman' with a straight face, and continue his act, rent a helicopter, how could such a man be possibly lose balance by my thinking he is borderline? (Which I had meant literally with a state, between the different states.) He deserved bouquets, not brickbats. If he was honest. But everything about him was over-dramatized. He was nothing but courteous to you even in his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Judy, there have been many times when I haven't liked what turq says about the TMO or Robin. With reference to the latter, I have said before that I don't like the use of DSM 5 labels here. Or anywhere for that matter. They rarely help and I believe they can harm. My guess is that they are mainly used by doctors so that they can get paid by insurance companies. Still I don't like it when people gang up on anybody. Especially, as I realized this morning, with limited posting. How unfair that 3 or 4 people are posting negative stuff about someone and that person only has way less posting power since they are just one person. A little like making one person play tennis against 4 or 5 people! I think I've got turq's number, Judy. Sorry if this disappoints you all, but his STFU post was not traumatic for me. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: (snip) Do you do that for Barry because you think whatever he's done or said that folks are ganging up on him for is perfectly OK? And he has been supportive of me when I have been ganged up on. That has meant a lot. What it means is that you don't see the reality, which is that he isn't doing that for your benefit, he's doing it to dump on the folks who are criticizing you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! Both Judy and her alter-ego the Turq, enjoys to give out mental diagnosis to people they never met :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will fight her friends, whoever is left. She is like a cannibal. Just sit back and watch whom she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit back and watch whom she is going after next.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Tell that stupid man, what is his name? that madman who thinks he's functioning with Maharishi's secret guidance - tell him he is a shame to the movement. Yes, we've seen that before here. That was *after* Robin had stirred everything up at MIU and was beginning to look as though he might pose a real threat to Maharishi's authority. He had already become a threat to order at MIU. The issue is Maharishi's failure to sanction him in any way *up to that point*, which is what Robin was describing in his post. That quote from Cowhig was the point, according to the book, at which Robin decided to sue MIU and force Maharishi to confirm or deny his enlightenment in open court. Regarding Maharishis thinking, that should settle it I think. I might point out that we have no evidence that Maharishi actually said what Cowhig quoted him as saying. I attribute that doubt to your lack of exposure to the movement. Everybody in the movement knew John Cowhig to be a skin boy, a long term secretary of Maharishi. If Cowhig said something, it meant that it came straight from Maharishi, I have no doubt. As I went on to say (note the parenthetical): If Cowhig's quote is accurate (and was reported accurately), on the other hand, one might also wonder whether Maharishi had simply decided he was going to have to throw Robin under the bus at that point as the quickest way to get rid of the MIU controversy. Quite obviously Robin had exhausted Maharishis patience. Clearly Maharishi gave Robin a chance, trying to let him work out his possible enlightenment. Obviously Robin misused that trust by his behavior. I have no problem with this notion. However, Maharishi could have easily kept Robin from going overboard by cautioning him at any point between 1976 and 1982 that he was getting out of line, and Robin would have obeyed. But instead he waited until Robin had gotten himself into a big mess, based on his reasonable expectation of Maharishi's full support because Maharishi *hadn't* told him to cool it, and then came down on him like a ton of bricks. There are similar cases, where Maharishi took other controversial people within the movement, to sort of let them work out things there. Another example was Peter Hübner of WYMS fame, better known as movement Nazis in Seelisberg. Ultimately, this didn't work out either, and Maharishi called Hübner his Judas. I don't see how Robin was different. Goodness knows there are plenty of stories, many of them reported on this very forum, of Maharishi's propensity to betray people who had for whatever reason become problematic. So why do you speak of Maharishis propensity to betray, and not of Robins propensity to betray others, based for example on what you could read in the CULT? What makes you give Robin so much more credibility than Maharishi? For one thing, I've become acquainted with Robin through FFL, so I'm pretty darn sure he's trustworthy--*now*, at any rate. I can't speak to how he behaved during his cult leader days, but given how severely he's denounced his own behavior back then, I can't help but think he has to have a great deal of personal integrity, not to mention courage. Nobody here--including in that book--has criticized him as harshly as he has criticized himself. Did Maharishi ever criticize his own behavior, privately or publicly? Not that I've ever heard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
Judy, I realize how disappointed some posters are that unlimited posting has leveled the playing field between myself and them. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning Don't think you're going to get very far with this ploy, Share, not after your output of the last few days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  Maybe we really shouldn't laugh at Ihare. It's not nice to mock the mentally disabled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Now Ann's integrity dips even lower as she makes fun of people with a speech impediment. I guess this past day of 3 or 4 of them vs. me was just too much for her. Plus she's too insecure to apologize for her wrong accusation. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, it was Triguna who told me I am pure pitta. Good enough for you? What's despicable is that Ann admitted she couldn't remember and yet accused me of making something up. Your lack of integrity shows in your supporting her. Dithpicable, dithpicable me, and you too Judy, have you no SHAME??!!! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: tee hee, only someone who thinks ayurveda is *goobly gook* would call a pure pitta person colder than ice. Don't remember calling ayurveda goobly gook so I probably didn't. No, you spelled gobbledygook correctly, and you weren't referring to ayurveda itself but rather to Zhare writing *about* both ayurveda and jyotish: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352125 You're making things up and I'm pretty sure you aren't pure anything. Ask her whether pitta is her prakriti or her vikriti. She knows what the difference is, but she probably won't tell you which. Her prakriti would be the dosha balance she was born with, whereas her vikriti would be her *current* dosha balance. You can see why this would be important given her comment above. Here is a small rhyme for you: Pitta patter on my roof, Someone here acts like a goof. Sometimes sorry, often lost, Looking on with eyeballs crossed. She can't help it - scrambled eggs Hopes for cookies not the dregs. Whipping up a sattvic feast, Can it help to fill the beast? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Silly Ann, it's not that the Karate Chop point hurts! Duh! Oh dear, oh duh, it's not the karate that smarts, But sometimes I think you're way off the charts. You play like you're merry, you play like you're nice, But in spite of your sorrys you're colder than ice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio
Oh whoa dear Share - you are a dangerous person LOL, unable to distinguish irony and sarcasm. When I said I don't mess with Judy, Ann, raunchy it was a round-about way of letting you know that they are strong, mature, intelligent women and that I respect them for that. No - if there's something they say needs to be challenged it will be challenged by me, obviously it won't be similar to my approach with Rory because they haven't made any fanciful, religious delusional claims so far. Now - get off the list, this is not healthy for you and get some medical help for paranoid, delusional tendencies. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! -- *From:* Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after himself. So no, I'll let you know directly if I think you're out of line or abusive. So far, so good. Personally, I don't want to mess with you so I'll do my damnedest to keep that formidable warrior part of yourself fighting with me, not against me. Deal? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The party continues...and parties need music...
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Here, Zarzari, azgrey, irantea, Lunch for you! At least a new/old marketing idea involving food and enlightenment! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name starts with O! Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will fight her friends, whoever is left. She is like a cannibal. Just sit back and watch whom she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit back and watch whom she is going after next.
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Ravi, I still have an appt every Sunday with my very competent pastoral counselor. That will have to suffice. Now, please show me where you have challenged Judy or Emily or Raunchy or Ann, thank you. Oh right, they NEVER say anything that needs to be challenged. Got it in one! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio Oh whoa dear Share - you are a dangerous person LOL, unable to distinguish irony and sarcasm. When I said I don't mess with Judy, Ann, raunchy it was a round-about way of letting you know that they are strong, mature, intelligent women and that I respect them for that. No - if there's something they say needs to be challenged it will be challenged by me, obviously it won't be similar to my approach with Rory because they haven't made any fanciful, religious delusional claims so far. Now - get off the list, this is not healthy for you and get some medical help for paranoid, delusional tendencies. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Quite obviously Robin had exhausted Maharishis patience. Clearly Maharishi gave Robin a chance, trying to let him work out his possible enlightenment. Obviously Robin misused that trust by his behavior. I have no problem with this notion. However, Maharishi could have easily kept Robin from going overboard by cautioning him at any point between 1976 and 1982 that he was getting out of line, and Robin would have obeyed. This is always easy to say in retrospect. I can't give you a clear answer for this either - but I suspect that it is typically Indian. I have seen this in the movement, and I have seen this elsewhere - this sort of non-interference, almost negligence, also the tendency to postpone a hard decision. It may have to do, with a typical Indian inability to be direct and say NO in a clear way. It then leads to a situation, where things cannot be postponed anymore, and have to be stopped the hard way. All the while, he was avoiding to do this. But instead he waited until Robin had gotten himself into a big mess, based on his reasonable expectation of Maharishi's full support because Maharishi *hadn't* told him to cool it, and then came down on him like a ton of bricks. That expectation wasn't so reasonable at all. It was based on his internal delusions, and also some sort of self-aggrandizement - the belief only he knew what Maharishi really thought, but folks just wasn't ready yet for it, but he was here to prepare and all the rest of this BS. snip So why do you speak of Maharishis propensity to betray, and not of Robins propensity to betray others, based for example on what you could read in the CULT? What makes you give Robin so much more credibility than Maharishi? For one thing, I've become acquainted with Robin through FFL, so I'm pretty darn sure he's trustworthy--*now*, at any rate. I can't speak to how he behaved during his cult leader days, but given how severely he's denounced his own behavior back then, I can't help but think he has to have a great deal of personal integrity, not to mention courage. Nobody here--including in that book--has criticized him as harshly as he has criticized himself. So why do you blame me? No, honestly, we surely have different takes on his trustworthiness. He just WAS very manipulative, many here have felt the same. I attribute this to your lack of experience with charismatic leaders, that you fell for it. He did manipulate you quite well I think. But also, I believe he was successful, because he believed in his own tschick. Would Maharishi have been on board here, he might have convinced you as well! So you trust him more than Maharishi. Good to know. Did Maharishi ever criticize his own behavior, privately or publicly? Not that I've ever heard. Publicly not, but privately? I'm almost sure he did. But then Maharishi didn't de-enlighten himself, so that he had to renounce everything that he had said before. I must say that I found many of Robin's renouncements of his enlightenment half-hearted. IMO he didn't go all the way. He knew all about enlightenment, and could diagnose anybody about it, and he also know this attentional 'extra' about this all being rubbish and a delusion created by Vedic gods, who were somehow on the wrong site. Now were did this leave you, were did he leave his audience with this? You were always on the wrong side. You were enlightened, well he's gone beyond and tells you it's all an illusion. You weren't enlightened? You havened even reached the basis from where he started. That's why he had to renounce ordinary Catholicism.
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Dear Share - You need some medication to calm your paranoia and delusions. Your pastoral counselor is clearly enabling your delusional behavior. Give me some examples of their behavior, relevant posts and I will. You are new here, we have had our share of drama on and off. So this vague innuendo doesn't help dear. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ravi, I still have an appt every Sunday with my very competent pastoral counselor. That will have to suffice. Now, please show me where you have challenged Judy or Emily or Raunchy or Ann, thank you. Oh right, they NEVER say anything that needs to be challenged. Got it in one! -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio Oh whoa dear Share - you are a dangerous person LOL, unable to distinguish irony and sarcasm. When I said I don't mess with Judy, Ann, raunchy it was a round-about way of letting you know that they are strong, mature, intelligent women and that I respect them for that. No - if there's something they say needs to be challenged it will be challenged by me, obviously it won't be similar to my approach with Rory because they haven't made any fanciful, religious delusional claims so far. Now - get off the list, this is not healthy for you and get some medical help for paranoid, delusional tendencies. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Since Judy has brought up psychopathology, I'll mention that it's interesting to me that in this post Ann says that she doesn't want to mess with Ravi. Ravi himself has said several times that he wouldn't take on Judy or Ann or Raunchy. So is this the basis of the supposed friendships between these people? That they're afraid of each other? Which is what they accuse me of in relation to turq! Can't help but say: go figure! -- *From:* Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:36 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Tuning Into Vedic Radio --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to be abused. Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the rude, harsh way. The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as
