date:20141104

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

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 “Shut your eyes so you heart may become your eye.” by Kito Mbiango. Digital 
print on enhanced velvet 
 

 paper, 2014.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

On 11/4/2014 8:00 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Don't forget the kavach - an amulet that is reputed to ward off 
negative influences. I don't know if the Movement officially sells 
them, but I know some TM True Believers here in SC that wear them 
religiously. Check this crap out:


/Obviously you're no longer wearing a wedding ring. Next you'll be 
wanting to take out anyone wearing a yarmulke, a cowboy hat, or girls 
wearing head scarves or pants.//First, they came for the Jews./..





Dreaded diseases like cancer, heart attack, kidney failure,
diabetes, asthama, paralysis, etc. are caused by severe
afflictions to badly placed weak planets. The natal chart
provides advance insight in one's vulnerability to such
diseases. The experience and feedback shows that astrological
remedial measures are likely to help persons with such natal
influences to save themselves of such diseases. While the
medicine systems treat the astrological remedies prevent. This
is the biggest difference. It is like an insurance. If one
sees its utility it costs nothing in comparison to the
treatment if one contracts a dreaded disease.

http://www.jyotishremedies121.com/pokavach.htm

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Special Power Kavach from eminent Indian Vedic Astrolo... 
http://www.jyotishremedies121.com/pokavach.htm

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*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:52 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

HOW can *anyone* justify giving money to the TMO for yagyas that 
have been proven over and over to do absolutely nothing? It boggles 
the mind.


Then again, most of the people still throwing their money into this 
pundit privy also still practice the TMSP technique, which has 
similarly been proved to do nothing. They still pay for astrology 
readings and jewels that do nothing, and live in Woo Woo houses that 
do nothing. My guess is that over time they've come to consider the 
quality of doing nothing as an actual measure of SUCCESS in a Woo 
Woo practice.  :-)



*From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

Oh, man! That's a good one Barry!




*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
fairfieldl...@yajhoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:50 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

The pundits are too busy rioting to do a rain dance.

The fact that the TMO can *keep* running these scams, and *keep* 
finding people to throw their money away on them, is truly astounding. 
If there is a Museum Of Great Idiots In History somewhere, one entire 
wing of it is dedicated to TMers.





*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, November 3, 2014 9:13 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich


It’s a tall order, and there is no guarantee that a single Yagya will 
alleviate these extreme conditions No refunds then


At least they don't promise that anyone who gives will get it back 
ten-fold. I haven't heard that since the James Randi documentary last 
night.


I'm surprised they haven't developed a Vedic rain dance for the 
pundits to do, that ought to be worth a few grand of our money.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Dear Friends,

Much of the U.S. is experiencing extreme weather, from severe storms 
to unusually low precipitation. California, in particular, is 
suffering from record drought.


Recall that in August of 2012 and in February of this year, our 
National YagyaSM performances brought much-needed relief from the 
severe drought that was plaguing much of the U.S. at those times. It’s 
clear that the Yagyas work, but more is needed.


To address this continuing need, our next U.S. National Yagya will 
once again incorporate an appeal for balance in the weather. It’s a 
tall order, and there is no guarantee that a single Yagya will 
alleviate these extreme conditions.


The Sankalpa (intention) of the next U.S.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

2014-11-04 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


According to scholars, one of the earliest mentions of pūjā is in the Grihya 
Sutras, which provide rules for domestic rites. These Sutras, dated to be about 
500 BC, use the term puja to describe the hospitality to honor priests 
who were invited to one’s home to lead rituals for departed ancestors. 


As Hindu philosophy expanded and diversified, with developments such as 
the bhakti movement, the vedic puja ritual were modified and applied to the 
deities. As with vedic times, the general concept of puja remained the same, 
but 
expanded to welcoming the deity along with the deity's spiritual essence as 
one's honored guest. 


The Puranic corpus of literature, dating from about 6th century CE, contain 
extensive outline on how to perform deity puja (deva pūjā). Deity puja thus 
melds Vedic rites with devotion to deity in its ritual 
form. As with many others aspects of Hinduism, both Vedic puja and 
devotional deity puja continued, the choice left to the Hindu



 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich
 


  
Yagyas and Indulgences

Yajña: (Sanskrit: 'sacrifice, offering'), in Hinduism, worship based on rites 
prescribed in the earliest scriptures of ancient India, the Vedas, in contrast 
to puja, which may include image worship and devotional practices non-Vedic in 
origin.

A yajña is always purposeful, even though the aim may be as general as 
sustaining the natural order of the universe. Correct performance of the ritual 
and recitation of the necessary mantras, or sacred formulas, is considered 
essential; and the performer and the objects employed must all be in a high 
state of purity. Such ritual requirements gave rise to the professional class 
of priests, the modern Brahmans, who are still required to officiate at all 
important public yajñas.

 ——Encyclopædia Britannica

Indugence: a distinctive feature of the penitential system of both the Western 
medieval and the Roman Catholic church that granted full or partial remission 
of the punishment of sin. The granting of indulgences was predicated on two 
beliefs. First, in the sacrament of penance it did not suffice to have the 
guilt (culpa) of sin forgiven through absolution alone; one also needed to 
undergo temporal punishment because one had offended Almighty God. Second, 
indulgences rested on belief in purgatory, a place in the next life where one 
could continue to cancel the accumulated debt of one's sins, another Western 
medieval conception not shared by the Eastern Greek church.

From the early church onward, bishops could reduce or dispense with the 
rigours of penances, but indulgences emerged in only the 11th and 12th 
centuries when the idea of purgatory took widespread hold and when the popes 
became the activist leaders of the reforming church. In their zeal, they 
promoted the militant reclamation of once-Christian lands—first of Iberia in 
the Reconquista, then of the Holy Land in the Crusades—offering 'full 
remission of sins,' the first indulgences, as inducements to participation.

...To clarify all these issues, the Scholastic theologians of the 12th and 13th 
centuries worked out a fully articulated theory of penance. It consisted of 
three parts: contrition, confession, and satisfaction. The debt of forgiven sin 
could be reduced through the performance of good works in this life 
(pilgrimages, charitable acts, and the like) or through suffering in purgatory. 
Indulgences could be granted only by popes or, to a lesser extent, archbishops 
and bishops as ways of helping ordinary people measure and amortize their 
remaining debt. 'Plenary,' or full, indulgences cancelled all the existing 
obligation, while 'partial' indulgences remitted only a portion of it. People 
naturally wanted to know how much debt was forgiven (just as modern students 
want to know exactly what they need to study for examinations), so set periods 
of days, months, and years came gradually to be attached to different kinds of 
partial indulgences.

This highly complicated theological system, which was framed as a means to help 
people achieve their eternal salvation, easily lent itself to misunderstanding 
and abuse as early as the 13th century, much sooner than is usually thought. A 
principal contributing factor was money. Paralleling the rise of indulgences, 
the Crusades, and the reforming papacy was the economic resurgence of Europe 
that began in the 11th century. Part of this tremendous upsurge was the 
phenomenon of commutation, through which any services, obligations, or goods 
could be converted into a corresponding monetary payment. Those eager to gain 
plenary indulgences, but unable to go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem, wondered 
whether they might perform an alternative good work or

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL. 
 Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the 
Ocean (as Muktanda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of 
analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than 
where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many 
have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
 Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


 I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I 
posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and 
Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what 
we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set 
limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it 
through. 

 I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not 
mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He 
doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing 
feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting 
his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have 
much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be 
it. He is easy enough to ignore. 
 

 I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage and 
dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to settle down of 
their own accord, usually after mealtimes.
 

 As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, and all 
we can do is watch it burn out of control.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I'd say it depends on your intention, esp your general intention in 
living. Do you want to benefit yourself and others? Or do you want to do harm? 
As for the rest, I think it's pretty simple. If someone is harming us and won't 
stop, then we remove ourselves from their life. If someone is harming others 
and won't stop, then we put them in jail until they can be rehabilitated. 

 

 Sometimes jail is not possible and I personally don't think jail cures anyone 
of anything, in fact, jail mostly makes bad guys badder. And of course you are 
talking about a criminal level of toxicity when you talk about jail. Most of 
the toxicity is not something you could incarcerate someone for. I'm talking 
garden variety toxicity.
 

 Here online, if someone says something untrue, we say what is true. If someone 
says something we don't agree with, we say we don't agree. If someone is a 
jerk, we say we think that, ONE time. To say it over and over is imo a sign 
that the name caller is projecting and or venting.

 
 I think a lot of the nastiness online is people venting what they are 
unwilling or unable to vent about in their 3D life.
 

 If the asshole keeps on and on and on then one time is often not enough in 
terms of responding to it or attempting to deflect the untruths or negativity. 
When someone keeps farting in the room you just can't get away with opening the 
window once.
 

 Again, my opinion.
 

 Ditto.
 
 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 


 Fleetwood, in many fairytales, if the king and queen don't invite the Wicked 
Witch to the birth celebration of their baby, then she arrives anyway and puts 
a curse on the little one! Meaning that we all have toxic elements in us to 
some degree. If we don't deal with them in a healthy way, then they show up in 
our life as allegedly toxic people, etc.

First you call people toxic. Next thing you know, you're burning them at the 
stake or leading them into the gas oven!

 

 Is it okay to call someone as asshole, obnoxious, annoying or any other 
number of adjectives? Is it possible for people to actually be these things or 
are we merely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich


in contrast to puja, which may include image worship and devotional practices 
non-Vedic in origin.


Puja is non-vedic in origin




 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich
 


  
Yagyas and Indulgences

Yajña: (Sanskrit: 'sacrifice, offering'), in Hinduism, worship based on rites 
prescribed in the earliest scriptures of ancient India, the Vedas, in contrast 
to puja, which may include image worship and devotional practices non-Vedic in 
origin.

A yajña is always purposeful, even though the aim may be as general as 
sustaining the natural order of the universe. Correct performance of the ritual 
and recitation of the necessary mantras, or sacred formulas, is considered 
essential; and the performer and the objects employed must all be in a high 
state of purity. Such ritual requirements gave rise to the professional class 
of priests, the modern Brahmans, who are still required to officiate at all 
important public yajñas.

 ——Encyclopædia Britannica

Indugence: a distinctive feature of the penitential system of both the Western 
medieval and the Roman Catholic church that granted full or partial remission 
of the punishment of sin. The granting of indulgences was predicated on two 
beliefs. First, in the sacrament of penance it did not suffice to have the 
guilt (culpa) of sin forgiven through absolution alone; one also needed to 
undergo temporal punishment because one had offended Almighty God. Second, 
indulgences rested on belief in purgatory, a place in the next life where one 
could continue to cancel the accumulated debt of one's sins, another Western 
medieval conception not shared by the Eastern Greek church.

From the early church onward, bishops could reduce or dispense with the 
rigours of penances, but indulgences emerged in only the 11th and 12th 
centuries when the idea of purgatory took widespread hold and when the popes 
became the activist leaders of the reforming church. In their zeal, they 
promoted the militant reclamation of once-Christian lands—first of Iberia in 
the Reconquista, then of the Holy Land in the Crusades—offering 'full 
remission of sins,' the first indulgences, as inducements to participation.

...To clarify all these issues, the Scholastic theologians of the 12th and 13th 
centuries worked out a fully articulated theory of penance. It consisted of 
three parts: contrition, confession, and satisfaction. The debt of forgiven sin 
could be reduced through the performance of good works in this life 
(pilgrimages, charitable acts, and the like) or through suffering in purgatory. 
Indulgences could be granted only by popes or, to a lesser extent, archbishops 
and bishops as ways of helping ordinary people measure and amortize their 
remaining debt. 'Plenary,' or full, indulgences cancelled all the existing 
obligation, while 'partial' indulgences remitted only a portion of it. People 
naturally wanted to know how much debt was forgiven (just as modern students 
want to know exactly what they need to study for examinations), so set periods 
of days, months, and years came gradually to be attached to different kinds of 
partial indulgences.

This highly complicated theological system, which was framed as a means to help 
people achieve their eternal salvation, easily lent itself to misunderstanding 
and abuse as early as the 13th century, much sooner than is usually thought. A 
principal contributing factor was money. Paralleling the rise of indulgences, 
the Crusades, and the reforming papacy was the economic resurgence of Europe 
that began in the 11th century. Part of this tremendous upsurge was the 
phenomenon of commutation, through which any services, obligations, or goods 
could be converted into a corresponding monetary payment. Those eager to gain 
plenary indulgences, but unable to go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem, wondered 
whether they might perform an alternative good work or make an equivalent 
offering to a charitable enterprise—for example, the building of a leprosarium 
or a cathedral. Churchmen allowed such commutation, and the popes even 
encouraged it, especially Innocent III (reigned
 1198–1216) in his various Crusading projects.From the 12th century onward the 
process of salvation was therefore increasingly bound up with money. Reformers 
of the 14th and 15th centuries frequently complained about the 'sale' of 
indulgences by pardoners. And as the papacy weakened in this period, secular 
governments increasingly allowed the granting of indulgences only in return for 
a substantial share of the yield, often as much as two-thirds. The princes got 
most of the money, and the popes got most of the blame.

 ——Encyclopædia Britannica

If the laws of

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]

The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.
 Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the 
Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of 
analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than 
where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many 
have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
 Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I 
posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and 
Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what 
we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set 
limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it 
through. 

 I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not 
mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He 
doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing 
feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting 
his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have 
much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be 
it. He is easy enough to ignore. 
 

 I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage and 
dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to settle down of 
their own accord, usually after mealtimes.
 

 As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, and all 
we can do is watch it burn out of control.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I'd say it depends on your intention, esp your general intention in 
living. Do you want to benefit yourself and others? Or do you want to do harm? 
As for the rest, I think it's pretty simple. If someone is harming us and won't 
stop, then we remove ourselves from their life. If someone is harming others 
and won't stop, then we put them in jail until they can be rehabilitated. 

 

 Sometimes jail is not possible and I personally don't think jail cures anyone 
of anything, in fact, jail mostly makes bad guys badder. And of course you are 
talking about a criminal level of toxicity when you talk about jail. Most of 
the toxicity is not something you could incarcerate someone for. I'm talking 
garden variety toxicity.
 

 Here online, if someone says something untrue, we say what is true. If someone 
says something we don't agree with, we say we don't agree. If someone is a 
jerk, we say we think that, ONE time. To say it over and over is imo a sign 
that the name caller is projecting and or venting.

 
 I think a lot of the nastiness online is people venting what they are 
unwilling or unable to vent about in their 3D life.
 

 If the asshole keeps on and on and on then one time is often not enough in 
terms of responding to it or attempting to deflect the untruths or negativity. 
When someone keeps farting in the room you just can't get away with opening the 
window once.
 

 Again, my opinion.
 

 Ditto.
 
 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 


 Fleetwood, in many fairytales, if the king and queen don't invite the Wicked 
Witch to the birth celebration of their baby, then she arrives anyway and puts 
a curse on the little one! Meaning that we all have toxic elements in us to 
some degree. If we don't deal with them in a healthy way, then they show up in 
our life as allegedly toxic people, etc.

First you call people toxic. Next thing you know, you're burning them at the 
stake or leading them into the gas oven!

 

 Is it okay to call someone as asshole, obnoxious, annoying or any other 
number of adjectives? Is it possible for people to actually be these things or 
are we merely

[FairfieldLife] November 30th event, should I go?

From an organizer

 

Why should you choose to be there in person on November 30th versus live 
streaming the presentation?

 

Historical reason: 

Consider that the explanations will span 5,000 years of spiritual history on 
the planet, covering the Vedic and Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, the key 
personalities involved and why they made certain decisions. Due to the 
historical nature of these explanations, the presentation is being 
professionally recorded so that people can listen to it for decades to come.

 

Practical reason:

These explanations will undoubtedly inspire a lively discussion during the 
scheduled QA. The Live Stream will end after the presentation, but the QA 
will be available along with the Recording of the presentation a few weeks 
later on the event website. 

 

To attend in person, reserve a Free Seat at:

www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thNovember.com  

 

To Live Stream:

All you have to do is go to the website on November 30th (I suggest 10-15 
minutes before the Noon EST start time) and click on the words Live Stream.

 

If you miss the Live Stream:

Check out the website a few weeks later to watch the Recording. 

 

www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thNovember.com  

 

~ All the best, Kelvin Chin

 

 

Follow me on Twitter: @kelvinKHC

 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvinchin http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvinchin/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Empty makes me LOL yet again...




  From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras
   
     
In 1995 I paid big $$$ for a TMO Shiva Yajña. It was for gittin Litemint. 

I didn't feel much at the allotted time. Sure enough though, I'm now so fuckin 
Litend, I'm like a Tantrik legend in my own mind.

Guess I must be the epee-tomee of an Litend Westerner. I'm even thinking about 
changing my nom de guerre to Billy Brahm Illuminati. 

$$$ = Litemint. A famous shruti says that in The Rupee Sutras.

It's a formula you can count on ... 24/7/365.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: November 30th event, should I go?

2014-11-04 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Holy delusions of grandeur, Batman!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, r...@searchsummit.com wrote :

 From an organizer
  
 Why should you choose to be there in person on November 30th versus live 
streaming the presentation?

  

 Historical reason: 

 Consider that the explanations will span 5,000 years of spiritual history on 
the planet, covering the Vedic and Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, the key 
personalities involved and why they made certain decisions. Due to the 
historical nature of these explanations, the presentation is being 
professionally recorded so that people can listen to it for decades to come.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that 
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.

And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are 
supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER 
states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump 
on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am 
in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the 
most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual 
example claim.

So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to 
attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in 
my life or career which you could know NOTHING about...

you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. 

Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a 
response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and 
beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear...

or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just 
took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. 
Conversation might actually break out here.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.
 Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the 
Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of 
analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than 
where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many 
have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
 Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I 
posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and 
Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what 
we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set 
limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it 
through. 

 I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not 
mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He 
doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing 
feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting 
his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have 
much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be 
it. He is easy enough to ignore. 
 

 I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage and 
dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to settle down of 
their own accord, usually after mealtimes.
 

 As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, and all 
we can do is watch it burn out of control.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I'd say it depends on your intention, esp your general intention in 
living. Do you want to benefit yourself and others? Or do you want to do harm? 
As for the rest, I think it's pretty simple. If someone is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: November 30th event, should I go?

2014-11-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: November 30th event, should I go?

Holy delusions of grandeur, Batman!

You have such a way with words, Alex.  :-)

On the other hand, did you actually READ the long blurb Michael posted begging 
people to pay for Yet Another Worthless-ass Yagya To Solve Yet Another Problem 
It Will Have No Effect On? The TMO is arguably the quintessence of 
Delusions-Of-Grandeur-R-Us.  :-)  

The TM org is such a fucking madhouse that no one will *notices* a few new 
delusions of grandeur from these guys. Who knows why these organizers have 
glommed onto these obviously insane claims from Hammond, but face it -- NOTHING 
they do in the pursuit of delusional self-importance can even approach all of 
the decades of craziness that true-blue TMers like Nabby and Srijau and Buck 
have accepted as normal from the TMO. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, r...@searchsummit.com wrote :

From an organizer

Why should you choose to be there in person on November 30th versus live 
streaming the presentation?

Historical reason: 
Consider that the explanations will span 5,000 years of spiritual history on 
the planet, covering the Vedic and Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, the key 
personalities involved and why they made certain decisions. Due to the 
historical nature of these explanations, the presentation is being 
professionally recorded so that people can listen to it for decades to come.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that 
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.

I've been pointing this out for years. This forum is basically a graduate 
course in Cult Apologetics and Ad Hominem Attack, and has been for years.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the TMO, have 
recognized the importance of emotional good health and social intelligence to 
go along with the what empty hilariously calls litement. Or maybe I should 
say that it's only recently that such groups realized that expert help might be 
needed in these areas. IOW, we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their 
meditation checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of 
human development? 





And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused on, 
according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems to be the 
hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved. 





I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence and 
rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly worded. I'm 
aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see...





  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
   
    
You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that 
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.

And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are 
supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER 
states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump 
on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am 
in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the 
most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual 
example claim.

So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to 
attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in 
my life or career which you could know NOTHING about...

you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. 

Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a 
response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and 
beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear...

or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just 
took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. 
Conversation might actually break out here.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.Me thinks my old theory still 
holds; many of the participants here are quitters that jumped the ship that 
could have brought them safely across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). 
Unconsciously they know this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they 
start to kick in all other directions than where a kick would be justified; 
their own butt. Add to this the fact that many have reached an age where 
bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.Particularily they blame the only 
Saint they ever knew for their failure not realizing he was only there to guide 
and inspire, the real work had to be done by the student himself. Not having 
the inclination towards self-discipline any path requires anger builds up and 
eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily basis by several poor souls here on 
FFL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I posted, 
specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and Share gets 
hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what we would 
do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set limits, not 
that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it through.
I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread Duveyoung

Smack 'em around, Curty!

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Share,

Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know someone who 
was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike a nerve doing exactly 
what you are talking about. There were massively popular back in the lat 80's. 
Since then there have been oodles of people through FF with this message John 
Gray, Barbara De Agangelis...

Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had an 
assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on parade! That 
combined with taking advantage of meditator's imaginatively lively trance 
states.

But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching about 
these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says tat TM is not a 
complete self development program and that was not what Maharishi was teaching 
or selling. He was selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases 
of his tradition which was don't fix it, transcend it.

Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually I see 
this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development programs don't so 
what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged 
into a new system of self development that you guys are creating on your own in 
FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside the movement.)

Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by Maharishi, I 
never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you have drawn for 
yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you have made to  make up for 
the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's 
teaching and in that context your perspective for what people need is hampered 
by an absolutist teaching that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear 
the message wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could 
use some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real  
mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on them as 
damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not living up to the 
unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement.

Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives here Share. I 
think we are on the 
same page on that front.
 

---In fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the TMO, have 
recognized the importance of emotional good health and social intelligence to 
go along with the what empty hilariously calls litement. Or maybe I should 
say that it's only recently that such groups realized that expert help might be 
needed in these areas. IOW, we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their 
meditation checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of 
human development? 

 

 And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused on, 
according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems to be the 
hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved. 

 

 I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence and 
rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly worded. I'm 
aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see...

 


 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
 
 
   You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that 
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.

And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are 
supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER 
states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump 
on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am 
in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the 
most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual 
example claim.

So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 11/4/2014 9:16 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



In 1995 I paid big $$$ for a TMO Shiva Yajña. It was for gittin 
Litemint.


I didn't feel much at the allotted time. Sure enough though, I'm now 
so fuckin Litend, I'm like a Tantrik legend in my own mind.


Guess I must be the epee-tomee of an Litend Westerner. I'm even 
thinking about changing my nom de guerre to Billy Brahm Illuminati.


$$$ = Litemint. A famous shruti says that in The Rupee Sutras.

It's a formula you can count on ... 24/7/365.



/You get what you pay for - in this case, you just can't get much for 
$5. Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] Puja, was More Movement BS to get rich

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/4/2014 9:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
in contrast to puja, which may include image worship and devotional 
practices non-Vedic in origin.


/There are many aspects of Hindu culture that are non-Vedic in origin, 
for example yogic sadhana. Most of the Buddhist notions about the 
ascetic life are non-Vedic.//The practice of puja is probably started by 
the Buddhists after the historical Buddha's passing./





Puja is non-vedic in origin


/The idea of puja goes back a long way, back to primitive times. //The 
first use of ritual acts centered around the hearth was probably 
connected with the controlled use of fire, which apparently was not used 
at first to cook food or for warmth, but as a fetish to impress the 
neighbors. //

//
//Fire is essential to puja and was an Aryan tradition probably imported 
into South Asia along with the Vedas and the Avesta. //At night a fire 
served as a light source and a way to deter predators. To the ancients 
fire was magic; an innovation that changed our brain's way of regulating 
time. The first camp fire or hearth was probably the first puja./





*From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Movement BS to get rich

Yagyas and Indulgences

Yajña: (Sanskrit: 'sacrifice, offering'), in Hinduism, worship based 
on rites prescribed in the earliest scriptures of ancient India, the 
Vedas, in contrast to puja, which may include image worship and 
devotional practices non-Vedic in origin.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Uggg!

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/4/2014 8:10 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

An example of Marshy's audacious hucksterism:


/Another good example of hucksterism is the appropriation of a dead 
black guy's name and posing as him on social media, when you're 
obviously white and bigoted. It's a clear case of cognitive dissonance 
hucksterism. You can't possibly believe we don't see through your ruse./




http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/gifs/predict1.bmp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found

Barry, 

 Type III alien civilization means that they have the advanced knowledge to use 
power from the entire galaxy.  They would appear to have super powers that defy 
present human thinking.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I would say that a Type III alien civilization has been found on the Yahoo 
group Fairfield Life. Their primary characteristic as a race is that their 
brains were turned to mush by a spiritual teacher who taught them that the use 
of discrimination and intelligence has no place in the world of spiritual 
thought. So they never use these faculties, preferring to just believe any 
stupid shit they hear. The weirder and less likely the stuff they're told is, 
the more likely they are to believe it. 

 

 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found
 
 
   Astronomers found a Moon-size UFO orbiting near the Sun which could be 
evidence of a Type II civilization.  Believe it or not.
 

 
http://www.examiner.com/article/moon-size-ufo-near-sun-may-be-evidence-of-type-ii-alien-civilization
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/moon-size-ufo-near-sun-may-be-evidence-of-type-ii-alien-civilization

[FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That means 
atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove that God 
is nonexistent?
 

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found

John, 


If there is anything that defies present human thinking, it's that anyone 
could be as unintelligent and as gullible as you. Did you not even realize that 
you were being insulted, not indulged?  :-)




 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com


  
Barry,

Type III alien civilization means that they have the advanced knowledge to use 
power from the entire galaxy.  They would appear to have super powers that defy 
present human thinking.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


I would say that a Type III alien civilization has been found on the Yahoo 
group Fairfield Life. Their primary characteristic as a race is that their 
brains were turned to mush by a spiritual teacher who taught them that the use 
of discrimination and intelligence has no place in the world of spiritual 
thought. So they never use these faculties, preferring to just believe any 
stupid shit they hear. The weirder and less likely the stuff they're told is, 
the more likely they are to believe it. 




 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found



 
Astronomers found a Moon-size UFO orbiting near the Sun which could be evidence 
of a Type II civilization.  Believe it or not.

http://www.examiner.com/article/moon-size-ufo-near-sun-may-be-evidence-of-type-ii-alien-civilization

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 11/4/2014 10:23 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part 
of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member 
of this group.)


And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up 
assumptions about their state of mind and life in place of making a 
reasoned argument for the positive power of their beliefs.




/So, it's all about Judy, Share and Ann. This is beginning to look like 
a war on women. Go figure./





The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of 
the movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but 
you are a poopy pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!


This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi 
here that the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with 
fabrications about the critics personal life and business, is the 
go-to weapon in practically every response.


And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys 
are supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind 
and HIGHER states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working 
artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am 
not the one making claims that I am in a permanent state of infused 
being or that I am somehow participating in the most important work 
for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual example claim.


So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly 
WAS) is to attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow 
not successful in my life or career which you could know NOTHING about...


you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no 
clothes.


Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there 
is a response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the 
power and beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear...


or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response 
because I just took away the only response you got. I would love to be 
proven wrong. Conversation might actually break out here.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and 
frustration in the real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with 
heavy problems like living on the streets, addicts of all kinds very 
often have the Insight to see from where their problems stem; 
themselves. Not so on FFL.
Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely 
across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know 
this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick 
in all other directions than where a kick would be justified; their 
own butt. Add to this the fact that many have reached an age where 
bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their 
failure not realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real 
work had to be done by the student himself. Not having the inclination 
towards self-discipline any path requires anger builds up and 
eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily basis by several poor 
souls here on FFL.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article 
I posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic 
people, and Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot 
to say about what we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to 
use technique #1, set limits, not that Share is toxic, but she 
sometimes writes, before thinking it through.


I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his 
button pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole 
(his words, not mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is 
basically over - He doesn't have the strength for a jog around the 
block, and his mind is growing feeble. All my life I have defended the 
underdog, and even now, with B spouting his usual, I cannot get angry 
with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have much of a life, and if 
he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be it. He is easy 
enough to ignore.


I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage 
and dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to 
settle down of their own accord, usually after mealtimes.


As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, 
and all we can do is watch it burn out of control.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Ann, I'd say it depends on your

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


Curtis, basically I was really lucky. And really desperate! A romance ended. 
Around the same time, maybe '91 or '92, David Deida and his then wife Sophia, 
were in FF. I desperately wanted help with all that and so I went to the intro 
and started doing his workshops. Powerful stuff. Really way above my level of 
emotional maturity at that time. But it was the beginning of my search for 
emotional good health and I feel lucky that my search began with 2 teachers of 
such integrity and compassion.




Then in 2000 I had two huge thwacks on the back. I had to have my gallbladder 
removed and 6 months later my SO returned to his home in London. It took 2 more 
years and a burnout job and in 2002 I realized I had emotional issues to work 
on and that I needed expert help to do that. I realized it was not part of the 
TMO's mission statement and I was at peace with that. Also I wanted emotional 
healing even if it meant getting kicked out of the Dome! Which it didn't except 
that I was voluntarily out of the Dome for 7 years, from 2003-2010.





Concerning the teacher you mention, I once attended a free intro but did not 
feel comfortable with the vibe.  




  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
   
    
Share,

Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know someone who 
was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike a nerve doing exactly 
what you are talking about. There were massively popular back in the lat 80's. 
Since then there have been oodles of people through FF with this message John 
Gray, Barbara De Agangelis...

Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had an 
assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on parade! That 
combined with taking advantage of meditator's imaginatively lively trance 
states.

But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching about 
these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says tat TM is not a 
complete self development program and that was not what Maharishi was teaching 
or selling. He was selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases 
of his tradition which was don't fix it, transcend it.

Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually I see 
this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development programs don't so 
what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged 
into a new system of self development that you guys are creating on your own in 
FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside the movement.)

Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by Maharishi, I 
never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you have drawn for 
yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you have made to  make up for 
the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's 
teaching and in that context your perspective for what people need is hampered 
by an absolutist teaching that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear 
the message wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could 
use some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real  
mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on them as 
damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not living up to the 
unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement.

Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives here Share. I 
think we are on the 
same page on that front.



---In fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the TMO, have 
recognized the importance of emotional good health and social intelligence to 
go along with the what empty hilariously calls litement. Or maybe I should 
say that it's only recently that such groups realized that expert help might be 
needed in these areas. IOW, we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their 
meditation checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of 
human development? 





And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused on, 
according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems to be the 
hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved. 





I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence and 
rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly worded. I'm 
aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see...





  From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
 
 
You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/4/2014 10:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Empty makes me LOL yet again...



/It was kind of funny - paying $5 for a ceremony in Dallas so he would 
get enlightened. Go figure./







*From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:16 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras

In 1995 I paid big $$$ for a TMO Shiva Yajña. It was for gittin 
Litemint.


I didn't feel much at the allotted time. Sure enough though, I'm now 
so fuckin Litend, I'm like a Tantrik legend in my own mind.


Guess I must be the epee-tomee of an Litend Westerner. I'm even 
thinking about changing my nom de guerre to Billy Brahm Illuminati.


$$$ = Litemint. A famous shruti says that in The Rupee Sutras.

It's a formula you can count on ... 24/7/365.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion. 
 That means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can 
they prove that God is nonexistent?




It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity 
in their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical 
assumption. Without definitions, the argument is circular ending with a 
reductio ad absurdum. Any statement, when taken to extremes, will be 
found to be self-contradictory.


/ Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then 
they will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, 
for unlike things cannot be like, nor like things unlike./


Plato's Parmenides:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

John, I'm so glad this got passed before the Tea Party totally takes over!




  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 12:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists
   
     


The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That means 
atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove that God 
is nonexistent?




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Sacrifice, was More Movement BS to get rich [1 Attachment]

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Like a lot (-:

From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Sacrifice, was More Movement BS to get rich [1
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[Attachment(s) from Richard J. Williams included below]

On 11/4/2014 8:21 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Yagyas and Indulgences
Yajña: (Sanskrit: 'sacrifice, offering'), in Hinduism, worship based on rites
prescribed in the earliest scriptures of ancient India, the Vedas, in contrast
to puja, which may include image worship and devotional practices non-Vedic in
origin.

The Sanskrit termyajnameans a sacrifice. In fact, everything we do is a
yajna of sorts, just like a typical Hindu marriage. According to MMY, the
most powerful yajna is the sacrifice of one's own thoughts during meditation.

From what I've read, SBS toured all over India attracting thousands wherever
he went. His darshan was now easy to obtain, but it came with a risk of
lifelong attachment to him. He conducted many ceremonies on special days all
through India. He was the center of attraction at the 1942 Kumbha Mela in
Allahabad. In Delhi he presided over a great yagya on the banks of the Yamuna.
Thousands of people came to watch (Napper 136).

SBS Delhi Mahayagna, 1943 - Life Magazine

Works cited:

'Truth is One'
The Story of the World's Great Living Religions in Pictures and Text
By Henry James Forman and Roland Gammon
Harper Row, 1954
page 12

Harper's Dictionary of Hinduism
It's mythology, folklore, philosophy literature, and history.
By Margaret and James Stutley
Harper Row, 1984

Our Spiritual Heritage
An Informal History of the Shankaracharya Order
By Lynn Napper
Hesperdes, 1998

A yajña is always purposeful, even though the aim may be as general as
sustaining the natural order of the universe. Correct performance of the ritual
and recitation of the necessary mantras, or sacred formulas, is considered
essential; and the performer and the objects employed must all be in a high
state of purity. Such ritual requirements gave rise to the professional class
of priests, the modern Brahmans, who are still required to officiate at all
important public yajñas.
——Encyclopædia
Britannica
Indugence: a distinctive feature of the penitential system of both the
Western medieval and the Roman Catholic church that granted full or partial
remission of the punishment of sin. The granting of indulgences was predicated
on two beliefs. First, in the sacrament of penance it did not suffice to have
the guilt (culpa) of sin forgiven through absolution alone; one also needed to
undergo temporal punishment because one had offended Almighty God. Second,
indulgences rested on belief in purgatory, a place in the next life where one
could continue to cancel the accumulated debt of one's sins, another Western
medieval conception not shared by the Eastern Greek church.
From the early church onward, bishops could reduce or dispense with the
rigours of penances, but indulgences emerged in only the 11th and 12th
centuries when the idea of purgatory took widespread hold and when the popes
became the activist leaders of the reforming church. In their zeal, they
promoted the militant reclamation of once-Christian lands—first of Iberia in
the Reconquista, then of the Holy Land in the Crusades—offering 'full remission
of sins,' the first indulgences, as inducements to participation.
...To clarify all these issues, the Scholastic theologians of the 12th and
13th centuries worked out a fully articulated theory of penance. It consisted
of three parts: contrition, confession, and satisfaction. The debt of forgiven
sin could be reduced through the performance of good works in this life
(pilgrimages, charitable acts, and the like) or through suffering in purgatory.
Indulgences could be granted only by popes or, to a lesser extent, archbishops
and bishops as ways of helping ordinary people measure and amortize their
remaining debt. 'Plenary,' or full, indulgences cancelled all the existing
obligation, while 'partial' indulgences remitted only a portion of it. People
naturally wanted to know how much debt was forgiven (just as modern students
want to know exactly what they need to study for examinations), so set periods
of days, months, and years came gradually to be attached to different kinds of
partial indulgences.
This highly complicated theological system, which was framed as a means to
help people achieve their eternal salvation, easily lent itself to
misunderstanding and abuse as early as the 13th century, much sooner than is
usually thought. A principal contributing factor was money. Paralleling the
rise of indulgences, the Crusades, and the reforming papacy was the economic

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found

Barry,

This is the reason why you belong in a Type 0 civilization.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

John,

If there is anything that defies present human thinking, it's that anyone
could be as unintelligent and as gullible as you. Did you not even realize that
you were being insulted, not indulged? :-)

From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Barry,

Type III alien civilization means that they have the advanced knowledge to use
power from the entire galaxy. They would appear to have super powers that defy
present human thinking.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

I would say that a Type III alien civilization has been found on the Yahoo
group Fairfield Life. Their primary characteristic as a race is that their
brains were turned to mush by a spiritual teacher who taught them that the use
of discrimination and intelligence has no place in the world of spiritual
thought. So they never use these faculties, preferring to just believe any
stupid shit they hear. The weirder and less likely the stuff they're told is,
the more likely they are to believe it.

From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Type II Alien Civilization Found

Astronomers found a Moon-size UFO orbiting near the Sun which could be
evidence of a Type II civilization. Believe it or not.

http://www.examiner.com/article/moon-size-ufo-near-sun-may-be-evidence-of-type-ii-alien-civilization

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  
 

 The fed's really are stupid aren't they?
 

 That means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they 
prove that God is nonexistent?
 

 Speaking entirely for myself: We don't need to. Extraordinary claims require 
extraordinary evidence, and the onus is always on the person making the claims. 
I see no evidence so I conclude it's a null hypothesis.
 

 So I don't have faith in the non-existence of a god, that would be an 
assumption that there was something to begin with. And I don't want rights for 
my beliefs either because I haven't got any. Unless the crisschuns are going 
to be forming a posse to root out the unbelievers. Wouldn't be the first 
time
 

 

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 1:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 
   
 
 I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much exposure to 
this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal.
 
 You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is forming 
judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, age, sexuality, 
social class, or other personal characteristics. 
 That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense.
 
 
 My first observation is, and I may be imagining it, but JH looks like he 
doesn't believe it ether. In fact he looks positively embarrassed. Something in 
the way his face pinches up when he talks. If I was a copper interviewing him 
about some heinous crime I wouldn't believe a word of it. Lying through his 
teeth.



 
 Non sequitur.
  That's the second.
 
 
 But then,  considering the amount of money involved that's exactly how I do 
feel.
 



 
 So, how much money have you donated to the movement? Apparently it was the 
movement that supported you for a decade. Cognitive dissonance? You sound like 
somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to 
take your anger out on spiritual all religious groups. Go figure.
  Full house!

[FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 

 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html

 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 A senior Vatican official has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of 
Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...
 
 
 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Straigtening Sal Out


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/3/2014 11:15 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
 
   Sal, you have been wrong-headed about jyotish and yagya. All you have to do 
is listen to and watch Dr. John Hagelin in this here video and it will 
straighten out your thinking. Don't resist, because that will be karmically 
rough on you. Watch and believe.


 
 First they came for the Jews, now are coming after the Christians, Hindus and 
the TMers. Next thing you know, they will be coming for the blacks and the 
browns; the gays and lesbians, the cross-dressers and the trans-sexuals, - or 
anyone else they don't like that doesn't agree with them. 
 
 Luckily for you, drama queens aren't on that list.
 

 But I ought to congratulate you, this is a genuine non-sequitur. Shame you 
didn't realise it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

Share, 

 IMO some atheists are not happy with this ruling since they've been classified 
as having a belief in no god.  As can be seen by the opinions of some members 
here, it appears that having a belief is uncool for some reason or the other.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 John, I'm so glad this got passed before the Tea Party totally takes over!
 


 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 12:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists
 
 
   
 The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That means 
atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove that God 
is nonexistent?
 

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 

 Of course! You wouldn't let a dog suffer like that. It's only the religious 
that object to it due to worries about their immortal soul. They are most 
welcome to die in miserable agony if that is their desire. Everyone should have 
that right, but give me the morphine!
 

 But I don't see why they should have a say in what the rest of us choose, or 
don't they in America? In the UK the church is part of the establishment and 
Bishops get a say in legislation. Can be good, can be bad, it depends on them 
as people, but them having a block vote and making rules based on the pure 
conjecture of an immortal soul strikes me as outdated.
 

 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html

 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 A senior Vatican official has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of 
Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and 
absurd.  You can see this weakness when they try to make arguments against the 
Kalam Cosmological Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and 
nonsensical.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

Salyavin, 

 According to the US federal court, whether you like it or not, atheists are 
now considered to have a faith in no god.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  
 

 The fed's really are stupid aren't they?
 

 That means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they 
prove that God is nonexistent?
 

 Speaking entirely for myself: We don't need to. Extraordinary claims require 
extraordinary evidence, and the onus is always on the person making the claims. 
I see no evidence so I conclude it's a null hypothesis.
 

 So I don't have faith in the non-existence of a god, that would be an 
assumption that there was something to begin with. And I don't want rights for 
my beliefs either because I haven't got any. Unless the crisschuns are going 
to be forming a posse to root out the unbelievers. Wouldn't be the first 
time
 

 

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  
 

 Erm, that statement agrees with me. It's you who has to prove your god, you 
who has made the metaphysical assumption.
 

 Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and absurd.  You can see this 
weakness when they try to make arguments against the Kalam Cosmological 
Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and nonsensical.
 

 The KCA is a crock, how can there be an uncaused creator god when you've 
already decided the reason he has to exist is because things can't exist 
without a cause?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 According to the US federal court, whether you like it or not, atheists are 
now considered to have a faith in no god.
 

 Yup, the fed's really are stupid. I don't remember them asking me if if I 
wanted a non-existent faith protected. Big fat waste of time if you want my 
opinion...might as well ask if I want my non-belief in unicorns protected too, 
or is that included?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  
 

 The fed's really are stupid aren't they?
 

 That means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they 
prove that God is nonexistent?
 

 Speaking entirely for myself: We don't need to. Extraordinary claims require 
extraordinary evidence, and the onus is always on the person making the claims. 
I see no evidence so I conclude it's a null hypothesis.
 

 So I don't have faith in the non-existence of a god, that would be an 
assumption that there was something to begin with. And I don't want rights for 
my beliefs either because I haven't got any. Unless the crisschuns are going 
to be forming a posse to root out the unbelievers. Wouldn't be the first 
time
 

 

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Salyavin, 

 Yes, I've tried to make the argument using the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  
 

 If you were paying attention a few days ago, Xeno tried to prove in his 
argument that he had no beginning.   I then realized that this line of 
reasoning was absurd.   So, I bowed out from further discussion.
 

 It appears that Xeno believed his rationale was strong and logical.  But 
apparently you think that his position was absurd as well.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  
 

 Erm, that statement agrees with me. It's you who has to prove your god, you 
who has made the metaphysical assumption.
 

 Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and absurd.  You can see this 
weakness when they try to make arguments against the Kalam Cosmological 
Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and nonsensical.
 

 The KCA is a crock, how can there be an uncaused creator god when you've 
already decided the reason he has to exist is because things can't exist 
without a cause?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Exposed: Magicians, Psychics and Frauds

2014-11-04 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

That last link on YouTube blocked by BBC! New post here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4LM5VpjJoQ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4LM5VpjJoQ

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

I left TM behind in 1982.  I've been to Fairfield once in the late 1990s 
and it was not for a TM thing. Fairfield is sort of a Sonoma in the corn 
fields.


Like Sonoma I found a lot of the folks in Fairfield amused at new age 
things and attend them for the entertainment they provide. For them it 
is far better than the entertainment the ordinaries provide.  I still 
occasionally take in an expo around here.  But gas prices and bridge 
tolls have taken their toll on the excursions I used to make in the late 
1990s.


We seem to have some grumpy old men here who actually believe that some 
of the folks take what they call woo woo things very seriously.  
Actually a number of people are just curious and want to see if there's 
anything to them.


Sure there are charlatans out there and sometimes there is fun revealing 
them.  Back in the late 1960s during the psychedelic era there were 
all kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks.  Some of us 
got wise to that very quickly.  When I started TM in 1973 there it 
didn't resemble a cult much at all but a fun social group.  The 
cultishness came later with the self-appointed gestapo many of whom I 
felt were jealous of people who actually had some good experiences 
meditating.


On 11/04/2014 09:16 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Share,

Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know 
someone who was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike 
a nerve doing exactly what you are talking about. There were massively 
popular back in the lat 80's. Since then there have been oodles of 
people through FF with this message John Gray, Barbara De Agangelis...


Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had 
an assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on 
parade! That combined with taking advantage of meditator's 
imaginatively lively trance states.


But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching 
about these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says 
tat TM is not a complete self development program and that was not 
what Maharishi was teaching or selling. He was selling a solution to 
ALL problems and reflected the biases of his tradition which was 
don't fix it, transcend it.


Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually 
I see this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development 
programs don't so what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is 
being ignored and jeri rigged into a new system of self development 
that you guys are creating on your own in FF. (Not that there is 
anything wrong with that from outside the movement.)


Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by 
Maharishi, I never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you 
have drawn for yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you 
have made to  make up for the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But 
my interest here is in Maharishi's teaching and in that context your 
perspective for what people need is hampered by an absolutist teaching 
that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear the message 
wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could use 
some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real  
mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on 
them as damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not 
living up to the unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement.


Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives here 
Share. I think we are on the

same page on that front.



---In fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the 
TMO, have recognized the importance of emotional good health and 
social intelligence to go along with the what empty hilariously calls 
litement. Or maybe I should say that it's only recently that such 
groups realized that expert help might be needed in these areas. IOW, 
we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their meditation 
checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of 
human development?



And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused 
on, according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems 
to be the hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved.



I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence 
and rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly 
worded. I'm aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see...





*From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

2014-11-04 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want 
to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?


On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is 
this justifiable in your own thinking?



Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html





image 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html 




Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html 

A senior Vatican official has condemned as wicked the assisted 
suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal 
brain cancer. ...


View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html 



Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 11/04/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.


The fed's really are stupid aren't they?



They want their votes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Sorry Edg, a fellow who sees something glimmering, believes it to be gold when 
in reality it is copper, and then use that gold as a reason for an attack on 
Maharishi isn't in the position to smack anyone. The gold is just one of 
many examples to prove the fellow is out of touch with reality. Like a couple 
of other souls here he's not even irritating anymore :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


 Smack 'em around, Curty!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


Salyavin,

According to the US federal court, whether you like it or not, atheists are now 
considered to have a faith in no god.

Yup, the fed's really are stupid. I don't remember them asking me if if I 
wanted a non-existent faith protected. Big fat waste of time if you want my 
opinion...might as well ask if I want my non-belief in unicorns protected too, 
or is that included?


Sal, I understand that you are bothering to interact with this twit because it 
amuses you, but it's really a lost cause. There are *turnips* on this planet 
more intelligent than jr_esq.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 Yes, I've tried to make the argument using the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  
 

 Complete rubbish isn't it? Or maybe you didn't get my encapsulation below?
 

 Saying there must have been a god because you can't explain something is like 
the police finding a murder victim and blaming a ghost because they haven't got 
any suspects. 
 

 If there's one thing we've learned as a species is that the simplest 
explanation is always the best one. Self creating creators that magically 
create universes don't fit into that category for obvious logical reasons and 
aren't even necessary any more, it's only the need people have for there to 
have been a creator that they have to rely on this KCA sophistry. 
 

 If you were paying attention a few days ago, 
 

 I wasn't I'm afraid.
 

 Xeno tried to prove in his argument that he had no beginning.  
 

 I'm pretty sure Xeno had a beginning it seems that god is the only thing 
you want not to have had one.
 

 

  I then realized that this line of reasoning was absurd.   So, I bowed out 
from further discussion.
 

 It appears that Xeno believed his rationale was strong and logical.  But 
apparently you think that his position was absurd as well.
 

 Don;t jump to conclusions! Xeno is one of the most careful and precise 
thinkers here.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  
 

 Erm, that statement agrees with me. It's you who has to prove your god, you 
who has made the metaphysical assumption.
 

 Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and absurd.  You can see this 
weakness when they try to make arguments against the Kalam Cosmological 
Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and nonsensical.
 

 The KCA is a crock, how can there be an uncaused creator god when you've 
already decided the reason he has to exist is because things can't exist 
without a cause?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 On 11/04/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  
 
 
 The fed's really are stupid aren't they?



 
 They want their votes. 
 Seems like a dumb way to go about getting them. But hey, maybe it's a good 
thing in the states, I can see that people in the bible belt might get 
prejudice for not being a crisschun and maybe even sacked from work. Atheism, 
or at least not having an opinion, is pretty much the default mode over here. 
There are more official Jedi Knights than active church goers these days.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists



The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.



On 11/4/2014 12:31 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



The fed's really are stupid aren't they?

That means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can 
they prove that God is nonexistent?


Speaking entirely for myself: We don't need to. Extraordinary claims 
require extraordinary evidence, and the onus is always on the person 
making the claims. I see no evidence so I conclude it's a null hypothesis.




/This isn't a scientific laboratory, it's a discussion, so just for the 
record, all we need is just one extraordinary claim by a single eye 
witness, in order to pursue the argument that human levitation is 
possible. Unless you address that claim, you are just being dishonest.


It has already been established by the other atheist, Barry, that yogic 
flying is not only possible, but that all the siddhis mentioned by 
Patanjali have been performed and witnessed by hundreds of students of  
The Zen Master Rama.


Which I assume includes not only becoming as light as cotton fiber, so 
as to allow the body to slowly lift up off of a sofa, but also the 
ability to walk through walls and become invisible at will and to walk 
on water./


/Obviously, if you use logic to pose an argument, you must admit that 
only God could levitate for real. By definition, God is all powerful and 
able to leap tall buildings. Not for nothing does Barry refer to his 
teacher as The Last Incarnation of Vishnu./


/You have the right to remain silent on this, but you will be reminded 
of your cognitive dissonance if this condition persists in these 
spiritual discussions./




Unless the crisschuns are going to be forming a posse to root out the 
unbelievers.




/Character assassination is a deliberate and sustained process that 
aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, 
social group, or religion.nation. //

//
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination/



Wouldn't be the first time



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 According to the US federal court, whether you like it or not, atheists are 
now considered to have a faith in no god.
 

 Yup, the fed's really are stupid. I don't remember them asking me if if I 
wanted a non-existent faith protected. Big fat waste of time if you want my 
opinion...might as well ask if I want my non-belief in unicorns protected too, 
or is that included?
 










Sal, I understand that you are bothering to interact with this twit because it 
amuses you, but it's really a lost cause. There are *turnips* on this planet 
more intelligent than jr_esq. 


I'm trying to reach him, honest! It's because he posts things from proper 
scientists occasionally. There must be a logical key that will separate the two 
disparate paths of his mind. No harm in trying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

2014-11-04 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

No, I simply said I had no beginning, I did not offer a proof of that. If a 
person were enlightened they could say they had no beginning, but there is no 
proof such a one is enlightened either, on top of a proof of having no 
beginning. With regard to the Universe, there are facts that lead us to believe 
it had a beginning, but those facts do not penetrate so far as to give us a 
clue as to how that beginning might have occurred. Arguments in which there are 
no facts, or in which there are undemonstrated assumptions, cannot be brought 
to a satisfactory resolution, they cannot prove what they intend to prove.
 

 '...there is an evident absurdity in pretending to demonstrate a matter of 
fact, or to prove it by any arguments a priori. Nothing is demonstrable, unless 
the contrary implies a contradiction. Nothing, that is distinctly conceivable, 
implies a contradiction. Whatever we conceive as existent, we can also conceive 
as non-existent. There is no being, therefore, whose non-existence implies a 
contradiction. Consequently there is no being, whose existence is 
demonstrable.'  —David Hume
 

 The Reverse Ontological Argument
 It is possible that God does not exist.
 If it is possible that God doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist in some 
possible worlds.
 If God doesn't exist in some possible worlds, then God doesn't exist in all 
possible worlds.
 If God doesn't exist in all possible worlds then God doesn't exist in the 
actual world.
 If God doesn't exist in the actual world then God does not exist.
 

 Another version of the argument
 P(1) It is possible that God does not exist, i.e. there is some possible world 
where God does not exist.
 P(2) God is defined as a necessary being, i.e. exists in all possible worlds.
 P(3) If there is one possible world where God does not exist, then there is no 
possible world in which God exists in all possible worlds.
 P(4) If there is no possible world in which God exists in all possible worlds, 
then it is impossible that God exists.
 

 ==

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 Yes, I've tried to make the argument using the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  
 

 If you were paying attention a few days ago, Xeno tried to prove in his 
argument that he had no beginning.   I then realized that this line of 
reasoning was absurd.   So, I bowed out from further discussion.
 

 It appears that Xeno believed his rationale was strong and logical.  But 
apparently you think that his position was absurd as well.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  
 

 Erm, that statement agrees with me. It's you who has to prove your god, you 
who has made the metaphysical assumption.
 

 Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and absurd.  You can see this 
weakness when they try to make arguments against the Kalam Cosmological 
Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and nonsensical.
 

 The KCA is a crock, how can there be an uncaused creator god when you've 
already decided the reason he has to exist is because things can't exist 
without a cause?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
 
 
 
 



 
 










 
  


 
 

  
 It is possible that God does not exist. If it is possible that God doesn't 
exist, then God doesn't exist in some possible worlds. If God doesn't exist in 
some possible worlds, then God doesn't exist in all possible worlds. If God 
doesn't exist in all possible worlds then God doesn't exist in the actual 
world. If God doesn't exist in the actual world the God does not exist. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 Yes, I've tried to make the argument

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out


I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much
exposure to this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal.


/You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is
forming judgments toward people or a person because of their
religion, age, sexuality, social class, or other personal
characteristics./



On 11/4/2014 12:34 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense.



/Let me explain it to you: Prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is 
not based on reason or actual experience. You sound like you're 
prejudiced against Hindus and Christians. It's just an observation based 
on what you've posted about Ann and Share. You do seem to have a 
prejudice against Jews as well//which might be a result of your 
upbringing or because of peer pressure./






My first observation is, and I may be imagining it, but JH looks
like he doesn't believe it ether. In fact he looks positively
embarrassed. Something in the way his face pinches up when he
talks. If I was a copper interviewing him about some heinous
crime I wouldn't believe a word of it. Lying through his teeth.


/Non sequitur./


That's the second.



/Non sequitur is an inference or conclusion that does not follow from 
the premises or evidence: JH Having a pinched up face or not has nothing 
to do with you being wrong-headed about jyotish and yagya.//

///



But then,  considering the amount of money involved that's
exactly how I do feel.


/So, how much money have you donated to the movement? Apparently
it was the movement that supported you for a decade. Cognitive
dissonance?//You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the
movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on
spiritual all religious groups. Go figure./


Full house!



/You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now 
you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious 
groups online. Go figure./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much exposure to 
this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal.
 
 You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is forming 
judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, age, sexuality, 
social class, or other personal characteristics. 
 
 On 11/4/2014 12:34 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense.
 
 Let me explain it to you: Prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is not 
based on reason or actual experience. You sound like you're prejudiced against 
Hindus and Christians. It's just an observation based on what you've posted 
about Ann and Share. You do seem to have a prejudice against Jews as well which 
might be a result of your upbringing or because of peer pressure.
  Just trolling along eh? Whatever gives you pleasure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

2014-11-04 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 

 At the risk of getting what I wish for, I think dying is going to be really 
interesting. I'd like to be awake when it's happening at least, it's only gonna 
happen once. 
 

 Maybe we'll see the sort of after-life hallucinations that get reported for 
a while before the lights go out for the last time. Maybe something else like 
the words Game Over appearing and we find out we are really huge toadoids 
playing a computer game in swamp on Zeta Reticuli. Maybe we all go to heaven 
even, that'll be a turn up!
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 
 
 
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
 Preview by Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People


On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Back in the late 1960s during the psychedelic era there were all 
kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks


We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie movement was 
infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to program  the whole 
hippie community into falling down into a rabbit hole of confusion and 
ribaldry so as to self-destruct.


First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us into 
taking psychedelic substances so as to alter our consciousness. Then, 
they sent in the rock singers to get us into a trance state with loud 
rhythm music and liberal lyrics.


So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by the rock 
music, they became like robots controlled through suggestion and 
brain-washing. I mean, have you actually read the lyrics of some of 
those 60's protest songs?/


There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear. 
There's a man with a gun over there. - Stephen Stills


/It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers were 
military brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In some cases, 
the rock singers were previously actually in the U.S. Military.


For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in Vietnam 
and Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list of these 
military brats goes on and on. Go figure.


*The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon  Birth of the 
Hippie Generation*

http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv

Re: [FairfieldLife] The ugly truth...

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Richard, anything can be a scapegoat. Heck, I was scapegoating my old computer 
last week when it was falling apart! Scapegoating to me just means blaming 
someone or some group or some guru or some thing for all my woes in life and or 
all the woes in the world. Not very practical, especially if one wants a happy 
life.




  From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The ugly truth...
   
    
 
On 11/4/2014 7:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    
Richard, even on FFL, everybody has their scapegoats. Healthier, imo, to own up 
to that. And be the change we wanna see.
 
  
 
 Weil said, Share. In Europe the Jews became the scapegoats and that hasn't 
changed apparently - it may be on the increase, according to what I've read. 
 
 It is surprising to find so much prejudice on a public forum that is 
supposedly dedicated to discussing the spiritual life. The only explanation I 
can think of for this is the cognitive dissonance which seems to affect Barry 
and Sal. They seem to have lost their spiritual compass and got turned away 
form any spiritual path. 
 
 Some people are very susceptible to peer pressure. We already know from their 
messages they are easily influenced by suggestibility.
  
 


 
 
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 11:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The ugly truth...
   
    
 
 
  
 
 Actually, I'm quickly losing any affection for FFL, because its denizens  are 
too insane to deal with. It stopped being good clean fun quite some time ago. 
  
 
 On 11/3/2014 9:04 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
 
 Excellent, shall I pack your bags for you? 
 
 The ugly truth is that Barry and Sal came for the Christians today. Next 
they'll come after the Jews. Soon they'll probably be coming after the gays and 
lesbians and then they will come after  the cross-dressers and the 
trans-sexuals, or anyone else they don't like that doesn't agree with them.  
There are no shades of grey with these guys. The cartoons are just warning 
shots.
 
 
  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I noticed that the anger and frustration really amped up, when it was pointed 
out that those most critical of TM and Maharishi, were themselves quite 
unsuccessful in their personal lives. They realize that they are poor examples 
to use, as those who have found effective alternatives to TM, and it bothers 
them a lot. No one listens to someone who is unsuccessful.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.
 Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the 
Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of 
analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than 
where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many 
have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
 Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I 
posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and 
Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what 
we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set 
limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it 
through. 

 I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not 
mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He 
doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing 
feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting 
his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have 
much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be 
it. He is easy enough to ignore. 
 

 I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage and 
dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to settle down of 
their own accord, usually after mealtimes.
 

 As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, and all 
we can do is watch it burn out of control.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, I'd say it depends on your intention, esp your general intention in 
living. Do you want to benefit yourself and others? Or do you want to do harm? 
As for the rest, I think it's pretty simple. If someone is harming us and won't 
stop, then we remove ourselves from their life. If someone is harming others 
and won't stop, then we put them in jail until they can be rehabilitated. 

 

 Sometimes jail is not possible and I personally don't think jail cures anyone 
of anything, in fact, jail mostly makes bad guys badder. And of course you are 
talking about a criminal level of toxicity when you talk about jail. Most of 
the toxicity is not something you could incarcerate someone for. I'm talking 
garden variety toxicity.
 

 Here online, if someone says something untrue, we say what is true. If someone 
says something we don't agree with, we say we don't agree. If someone is a 
jerk, we say we think that, ONE time. To say it over and over is imo a sign 
that the name caller is projecting and or venting.

 
 I think a lot of the nastiness online is people venting what they are 
unwilling or unable to vent about in their 3D life.
 

 If the asshole keeps on and on and on then one time is often not enough in 
terms of responding to it or attempting to deflect the untruths or negativity. 
When someone keeps farting in the room you just can't get away with opening the 
window once.
 

 Again, my opinion.
 

 Ditto.
 
 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 


 Fleetwood, in many fairytales, if the king and queen don't invite the Wicked 
Witch to the birth celebration of their baby, then she arrives anyway and puts 
a curse on the little one! Meaning that we all

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

2014-11-04 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You're such an angry and violent poster. 

Last life you musta been a brown shirt in the Sturm Abteilung. To bad you 
didn't survive the Night of the Long Knives. No wonder your lost faith. 

Guess yer still missing those cobblestone streets and the glory they held.  You 
seem like you must still be nursing the ecstasy of smashing your jackboots upon 
the heads of chosen prey. 

Sorry but you'll proly have to wait a while longer. You know - until after the 
elections and the assent to power.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

Bhairitu, 

 You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 
life.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 
 
 
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rights Granted to Atheists

Barry, 

 It appears that you don't know what your beliefs are.  You yourself stated 
that you are a non-theist and not an atheist.  Apparently, you are now an 
atheist, as well, depending on the situation.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 According to the US federal court, whether you like it or not, atheists are 
now considered to have a faith in no god.
 

 Yup, the fed's really are stupid. I don't remember them asking me if if I 
wanted a non-existent faith protected. Big fat waste of time if you want my 
opinion...might as well ask if I want my non-belief in unicorns protected too, 
or is that included?
 










Sal, I understand that you are bothering to interact with this twit because it 
amuses you, but it's really a lost cause. There are *turnips* on this planet 
more intelligent than jr_esq.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Power Places of Central Texas

2014-11-04 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

That's the third picture you post from a green, lush and beautiful Texas, and I 
thought it was all desert over there. Blame it on television...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life, 
and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally 
wrong. 
  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
   
    
Bhairitu,

You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 
life.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

If you were suffering from terminalbrain cancer would you really want to see it 
through to the end asyour mind, vision, hearing went away?


 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


  
A woman just committed suicide with the aid ofdoctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your ownthinking?




Vaticanthinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Facebook thread war I'm having.

Nicely written Edg, everyone can ponder this one: you think Jesus wants you in 
His lap?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Facebook thread war I'm having.

2014-11-04 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


Bit heavy for facebook no? Next time, try just saying LOL and see what happens. 

 
 

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Facebook thread war I'm having.

2014-11-04 Thread Duveyoung

The thread is over 120 posts so far.  I'm really laying into them.  Getting my 
rocks off.  Sue me.

I've had it with the Republicans -- creepy vile fucks or unthinking bots -- you 
know, like Willy the war lover who's all for killing brown children with drones 
and forcing women everywhere to keep having babies no matter what.

The amount of evil that's OBVIOUS just here at FFL is nauseating.  

Tell me again, Curtis et alia, why Kali Yuga is such a fantasy.  

Evil is flowing in the streets like 20 mph lava.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

uh-oh, emptybill has broken into the sherry cabinet, and its gettin' ugly...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :

 You're such an angry and violent poster. 

Last life you musta been a brown shirt in the Sturm Abteilung. To bad you 
didn't survive the Night of the Long Knives. No wonder your lost faith. 

Guess yer still missing those cobblestone streets and the glory they held.  You 
seem like you must still be nursing the ecstasy of smashing your jackboots upon 
the heads of chosen prey. 

Sorry but you'll proly have to wait a while longer. You know - until after the 
elections and the assent to power.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

Share, 

 I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering.  My mother also had a very 
painful and difficult death.  It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as 
humans, we should be able to make such choices.  But one has to be mindful of 
performing acts that do not violate natural laws.
 

 If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could 
detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to 
occur.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's 
life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally 
wrong. 
 From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
 
 
   Bhairitu,
 

 You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 
life.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 
 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

2014-11-04 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Salyavin, 

 Depending on one's karma, death could be just like transcending.   The 
individual thought vanishes just like in meditation.  The Indians had an 
appropriate word by calling death as Mahasamadhi.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 

 At the risk of getting what I wish for, I think dying is going to be really 
interesting. I'd like to be awake when it's happening at least, it's only gonna 
happen once. 
 

 Maybe we'll see the sort of after-life hallucinations that get reported for 
a while before the lights go out for the last time. Maybe something else like 
the words Game Over appearing and we find out we are really huge toadoids 
playing a computer game in swamp on Zeta Reticuli. Maybe we all go to heaven 
even, that'll be a turn up!
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 
 
 
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?


There's a mantra for that (suicide).

On 11/04/2014 01:37 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bhairitu,


You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher 
principle that the end does not justify the means.  In other words, 
one must act licitly to make a moral act.  You cannot kill another 
person or group of persons in order to obtain political power--which 
we can see the evil effects that are happening in Iraq and Syria. 
 Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own life.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want 
to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?


On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is 
this justifiable in your own thinking?



Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html





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http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html



Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html 

A senior Vatican official has condemned as wicked the assisted 
suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from 
terminal brain cancer. ...


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rights Granted to Atheists

Xeno, 

 As all humans experience, we all have parents who were or are the cause of our 
existence.  I believe your claim that I had no beginning is absurd.  I ask 
all of the members here to express their thoughts if you agree with Xeno on 
this claim--however, illogical it may be.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 No, I simply said I had no beginning, I did not offer a proof of that. If a 
person were enlightened they could say they had no beginning, but there is no 
proof such a one is enlightened either, on top of a proof of having no 
beginning. With regard to the Universe, there are facts that lead us to believe 
it had a beginning, but those facts do not penetrate so far as to give us a 
clue as to how that beginning might have occurred. Arguments in which there are 
no facts, or in which there are undemonstrated assumptions, cannot be brought 
to a satisfactory resolution, they cannot prove what they intend to prove.
 

 '...there is an evident absurdity in pretending to demonstrate a matter of 
fact, or to prove it by any arguments a priori. Nothing is demonstrable, unless 
the contrary implies a contradiction. Nothing, that is distinctly conceivable, 
implies a contradiction. Whatever we conceive as existent, we can also conceive 
as non-existent. There is no being, therefore, whose non-existence implies a 
contradiction. Consequently there is no being, whose existence is 
demonstrable.'  —David Hume
 

 The Reverse Ontological Argument
 It is possible that God does not exist.
 If it is possible that God doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist in some 
possible worlds.
 If God doesn't exist in some possible worlds, then God doesn't exist in all 
possible worlds.
 If God doesn't exist in all possible worlds then God doesn't exist in the 
actual world.
 If God doesn't exist in the actual world then God does not exist.
 

 Another version of the argument
 P(1) It is possible that God does not exist, i.e. there is some possible world 
where God does not exist.
 P(2) God is defined as a necessary being, i.e. exists in all possible worlds.
 P(3) If there is one possible world where God does not exist, then there is no 
possible world in which God exists in all possible worlds.
 P(4) If there is no possible world in which God exists in all possible worlds, 
then it is impossible that God exists.
 

 ==

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 Yes, I've tried to make the argument using the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  
 

 If you were paying attention a few days ago, Xeno tried to prove in his 
argument that he had no beginning.   I then realized that this line of 
reasoning was absurd.   So, I bowed out from further discussion.
 

 It appears that Xeno believed his rationale was strong and logical.  But 
apparently you think that his position was absurd as well.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 Richard, 

 That's exactly right.  
 

 Erm, that statement agrees with me. It's you who has to prove your god, you 
who has made the metaphysical assumption.
 

 Therefore, the atheist's position is very weak and absurd.  You can see this 
weakness when they try to make arguments against the Kalam Cosmological 
Argument.  IMO, their arguments become absurd and nonsensical.
 

 The KCA is a crock, how can there be an uncaused creator god when you've 
already decided the reason he has to exist is because things can't exist 
without a cause?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/4/2014 12:00 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The federal government recognizes secular humanism as a religion.  That 
means atheists have faith in the nonexistence of a god.  But can they prove 
that God is nonexistent?

 
 It's almost impossible to prove a negative, even if your include in your 
argument the Law of the Excluded Middle. By the mere mention of a entity in 
their argument they have already postulated a metaphysical assumption. Without 
definitions, the argument is circular ending with a reductio ad absurdum. Any 
statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.
 
  Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they 
will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike 
things cannot be like, nor like things unlike.
 
 Plato's Parmenides:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides_%28dialogue%29
 
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/03/atheist-religion-oregon-court_n_6095776.html
 
 
 
 
 



 
 










 
  


 
 

  
 It is possible that God does not exist. If it is possible that God doesn't 
exist, then God doesn't exist in some possible worlds. If God

[FairfieldLife] Mars had Life

The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now.  It appears that NASA is 
about to make an official statement regarding its findings on Mars based on 
data from the rovers.  Stay tuned.
 

 http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss

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