[Audyssey] Free games was Re: Chain Reaction
Hello all I went onto the Gma Games website yesterday and they have some cool free games as well. You guys remember Trek 2000 for example? Well that was a commercial product, but it has now gone free since they won't be updating it. Also all of Dan Z's games are free. Just some options. Chris. Christopher Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: challswor...@sky.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40 Find my blog at challsworth2.wordpress.com On 30/04/2013 07:42, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Nicole. Just to add to what Thomas has written hear, there are plenty of free games out there which are accessible and highly enjoyable, Jim Kitchen's games for instance. There are also lots of websites where you can play text based fantasy game books, muds and traditional text adventure games such as those produced by Infocom though with advances in modern technology, even these can be thrilling, highly entertaining and very absorbing. I totally get that you cant afford to pay for the latest games, however steeling someone else's product doesn't just break the law in your country, it also disincentives developers to make these games which in turn affects us all. All my best and please feel free to get in touch, I can help you find free audio games and text based games if you're interested. Take care, Ibrahim XX. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games with game creation toolkit
Hi, Just a warning here. I rather assume the sounds, names, titles, concepts, etc. you want to use, E.G. Starwars, StarTrek, etc. are either copyrighted, trademarked, or both. I have no idea about trademarks, but copyright law still applies even if you give your work away for free. So, if the copyright holders got wind of your creations and were of a mind to sue you, you couldn't weasel out of it by saying, But I'm not making any money off it! Jayson - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: [Audyssey] free games with game creation toolkit Hi guys I would rather get the lite version and make free games because then I have more liberty with the types of games I make like really cool star wars games using ripped sounds and music and such. If I start selling games then my creativity must also be sacrificed. I'll do it as a hobby alongside school, and then along side my fulltime job I hope to get. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games
Hi Hayden, That's where you are wrong. Making a free game, writing fan fiction, using commercial sound effects, etc is not legal in the United States unless you get permission from the original copyright holder to do so. In most cases a copyright holder has specific rights how their trademarks are used and redistributed unless it happens to fall under the fair use section of the U.S. copyright law. Fair use generally means the trademark is used for free, is for specific educational purposes, or a matter of public review. That doesn't give you or me the right just to use the content in anyway we feel like, and provents us from creating derivative products freeware or otherwise without special permission. Here is a better way to illistrate the point. One of my favorite mainstream games is Star Trek Elite Force. Under the ffair use section of the copyright law I can write game reviews, walkthroughs, and talk about the game all I want publically. However, if I decide to rip the game sounds, graphics, cut scenes, etc and create my own game using the content Activision can legally sue me for damages regardless if I released it as freeware because I created a derivative work and broke the end user license agreement that came with the game. This makes it very messy for a blind game developer, like me, to use copyrighted trademarks, sounds, music, etc in a game as it puts me at risk of a major law suit. Legally the law would be on their side and not mine. It isn't fair, but that's the law. HTH On 3/24/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, If I am not wrong, I do not see what legal foot they have to standon if they tried to take it to court. Making Star Trekk a Registerable game might violate it, but making a free ware with no Copyright is totally legal, unless I am missing something (which is always possible). Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games
It all comes down to the original copyright holder really. Some may not care that you're using their sound effects as long as you don't make any profit from it. Jim Kitchen had that situation with one of the writers for The Simpsons. True he started to object when he first found out that Jim was using Simpsons sounds, but he desisted when he found out the games were free. But not every developer is so accepting. Some will at the very least serve you with a cease and desist letter regardless of whether your project is free. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Hayden, That's where you are wrong. Making a free game, writing fan fiction, using commercial sound effects, etc is not legal in the United States unless you get permission from the original copyright holder to do so. In most cases a copyright holder has specific rights how their trademarks are used and redistributed unless it happens to fall under the fair use section of the U.S. copyright law. Fair use generally means the trademark is used for free, is for specific educational purposes, or a matter of public review. That doesn't give you or me the right just to use the content in anyway we feel like, and provents us from creating derivative products freeware or otherwise without special permission. Here is a better way to illistrate the point. One of my favorite mainstream games is Star Trek Elite Force. Under the ffair use section of the copyright law I can write game reviews, walkthroughs, and talk about the game all I want publically. However, if I decide to rip the game sounds, graphics, cut scenes, etc and create my own game using the content Activision can legally sue me for damages regardless if I released it as freeware because I created a derivative work and broke the end user license agreement that came with the game. This makes it very messy for a blind game developer, like me, to use copyrighted trademarks, sounds, music, etc in a game as it puts me at risk of a major law suit. Legally the law would be on their side and not mine. It isn't fair, but that's the law. HTH On 3/24/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, If I am not wrong, I do not see what legal foot they have to standon if they tried to take it to court. Making Star Trekk a Registerable game might violate it, but making a free ware with no Copyright is totally legal, unless I am missing something (which is always possible). Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games
Hi, Ah, got you. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:20 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Hayden, That's where you are wrong. Making a free game, writing fan fiction, using commercial sound effects, etc is not legal in the United States unless you get permission from the original copyright holder to do so. In most cases a copyright holder has specific rights how their trademarks are used and redistributed unless it happens to fall under the fair use section of the U.S. copyright law. Fair use generally means the trademark is used for free, is for specific educational purposes, or a matter of public review. That doesn't give you or me the right just to use the content in anyway we feel like, and provents us from creating derivative products freeware or otherwise without special permission. Here is a better way to illistrate the point. One of my favorite mainstream games is Star Trek Elite Force. Under the ffair use section of the copyright law I can write game reviews, walkthroughs, and talk about the game all I want publically. However, if I decide to rip the game sounds, graphics, cut scenes, etc and create my own game using the content Activision can legally sue me for damages regardless if I released it as freeware because I created a derivative work and broke the end user license agreement that came with the game. This makes it very messy for a blind game developer, like me, to use copyrighted trademarks, sounds, music, etc in a game as it puts me at risk of a major law suit. Legally the law would be on their side and not mine. It isn't fair, but that's the law. HTH On 3/24/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, If I am not wrong, I do not see what legal foot they have to standon if they tried to take it to court. Making Star Trekk a Registerable game might violate it, but making a free ware with no Copyright is totally legal, unless I am missing something (which is always possible). Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] free games with game creation toolkit
Hi guys I would rather get the lite version and make free games because then I have more liberty with the types of games I make like really cool star wars games using ripped sounds and music and such. If I start selling games then my creativity must also be sacrificed. I'll do it as a hobby alongside school, and then along side my fulltime job I hope to get. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games with game creation toolkit
Hi Josh, I would strongly advise you not to use any pirated material neither in free nor in shareware games. Though it's less likely with a free title, they can still come after you and are sure to do so if they find you, because it's the ripping/usage of the sound that is illegal in the first place. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: [Audyssey] free games with game creation toolkit Hi guys I would rather get the lite version and make free games because then I have more liberty with the types of games I make like really cool star wars games using ripped sounds and music and such. If I start selling games then my creativity must also be sacrificed. I'll do it as a hobby alongside school, and then along side my fulltime job I hope to get. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] free games
Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What are you talking about? On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games
Hi, I know about all the legal consequences in developing these types of games, So, please don't anyone bombard the game list by repeating them a lot. I am not advocating piracy. But, all I want to say is that it is so unfair! The sighted have literally tons of different Star Wars, Star Trek, even Stargate and probably hundreds if not thousands of other games, computer and console, based on popular TV shows, movies, etc. But, we have almost none. We are huge fans of these types of shows too, but most blind game developers just could never afford the licensing fees to get passed all the legal mumbo jumbo. If you do decide to try making them, Josh, I'll try out any of your free games. You might not want to advertise them on this list, though. ~Ann On 3/24/2010 11:04 AM, Josh wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Forgive me. This message didn't show up in the thread about copyrighted material in free games for some reason. Anyway I think it's kind of corny to use material from other series unless you can do it justice. I'm not a big fan of licensed games anyway. I'd rather have a new story. Then again it doesn't take much story for me to become interested in a game as I'm not into RPGs and most story-driven types of games. On 3/24/10, James Dietz james.j.di...@gmail.com wrote: What are you talking about? On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You know what? Make a game about Romeo and Juliet, lol! Contact info. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: James Dietz james.j.di...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Forgive me. This message didn't show up in the thread about copyrighted material in free games for some reason. Anyway I think it's kind of corny to use material from other series unless you can do it justice. I'm not a big fan of licensed games anyway. I'd rather have a new story. Then again it doesn't take much story for me to become interested in a game as I'm not into RPGs and most story-driven types of games. On 3/24/10, James Dietz james.j.di...@gmail.com wrote: What are you talking about? On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'd love to create a 24 style game, but I know I couldn't do it and release it into the wild. Maybe I'll work something up and keep it to myself, but even that could get me into hot water. (sigh) That's really too bad too! I have Seasons 1 through 7, and will get Season 8 when it comes out. A very good show, IMHO! -Original Message- From: Ann [mailto:tate...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi, I know about all the legal consequences in developing these types of games, So, please don't anyone bombard the game list by repeating them a lot. I am not advocating piracy. But, all I want to say is that it is so unfair! The sighted have literally tons of different Star Wars, Star Trek, even Stargate and probably hundreds if not thousands of other games, computer and console, based on popular TV shows, movies, etc. But, we have almost none. We are huge fans of these types of shows too, but most blind game developers just could never afford the licensing fees to get passed all the legal mumbo jumbo. If you do decide to try making them, Josh, I'll try out any of your free games. You might not want to advertise them on this list, though. ~Ann On 3/24/2010 11:04 AM, Josh wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4971 (20100324) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4971 (20100324) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Legally they could, but that's not very likely. The thing to keep in mind with some of these laws, even copyright laws, is that they are not set in stone. The law is more like a tight rope that you can bend this way and that depending on the case at hand. There have been companies who tried suing for damages over copyright infringement and lost, because the material was found to be under the fair use portion of the copyright law, or was unenforcable for one reason or another. That's not to say you are totally safe from copyright suits, but that isn't as likely as if you were a big fish doing the same thing. On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I figure they're less likely to come after me if all my games are free. If I sold the games then they'd be really really mad and stuff but if the games are free whaat'll they do, sue me for distributing free games? I guess I'll just have to be careful. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ann, Yeah, I know the feeling all too well. It is even worse since I am a game developer and know even if I create a Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc type of game I can't really sell it. Paramount didn't seam to care about my Star Trek game as long as it was free so that's what I did. Lucas Arts on the other hand told me up front that there was no way in Hads they would grant me permission for the use of the Star Wars trademarks freeware or otherwise. That's totally anal from my point of view since they are making millions off of sighted games, toys, and everything else, but can't let a blind developer release a free Star wars game legally. That's just the kind of greedy low lifes they really are. As for myself I've got a couple of private projects I'm working on they know nothing about. Perhaps some day I'll decide to release them as freeware, for the blind community, and if they don't like it that's tough luck. They can take that put it in their pipe and smoke it. I'm no longer going to let them tell me what I can and can not create with my free time just because they are greedy, selfish, anal compulsive jurks. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You got to check out the South Park episode where films were made politically correct. The creators hit the mark spot on with the way they portrayed George Lucas. I don't have the episode information, but it should be here. http://www.southparkstudios.com -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward [mailto:thomasward1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:30 PM To: tate...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Ann, Yeah, I know the feeling all too well. It is even worse since I am a game developer and know even if I create a Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc type of game I can't really sell it. Paramount didn't seam to care about my Star Trek game as long as it was free so that's what I did. Lucas Arts on the other hand told me up front that there was no way in Hads they would grant me permission for the use of the Star Wars trademarks freeware or otherwise. That's totally anal from my point of view since they are making millions off of sighted games, toys, and everything else, but can't let a blind developer release a free Star wars game legally. That's just the kind of greedy low lifes they really are. As for myself I've got a couple of private projects I'm working on they know nothing about. Perhaps some day I'll decide to release them as freeware, for the blind community, and if they don't like it that's tough luck. They can take that put it in their pipe and smoke it. I'm no longer going to let them tell me what I can and can not create with my free time just because they are greedy, selfish, anal compulsive jurks. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4971 (20100324) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4971 (20100324) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Will, Lol! Actually, I saw that epasode a while back. It was a keeper. Of course, South Park is usually funny how they slander everyone, or twist current events around to make them funny. On 3/24/10, Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com wrote: You got to check out the South Park episode where films were made politically correct. The creators hit the mark spot on with the way they portrayed George Lucas. I don't have the episode information, but it should be here. http://www.southparkstudios.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And, if they put it in their pipe and smoke it, I hope they get cancer of the wallet. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: tate...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Ann, Yeah, I know the feeling all too well. It is even worse since I am a game developer and know even if I create a Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc type of game I can't really sell it. Paramount didn't seam to care about my Star Trek game as long as it was free so that's what I did. Lucas Arts on the other hand told me up front that there was no way in Hads they would grant me permission for the use of the Star Wars trademarks freeware or otherwise. That's totally anal from my point of view since they are making millions off of sighted games, toys, and everything else, but can't let a blind developer release a free Star wars game legally. That's just the kind of greedy low lifes they really are. As for myself I've got a couple of private projects I'm working on they know nothing about. Perhaps some day I'll decide to release them as freeware, for the blind community, and if they don't like it that's tough luck. They can take that put it in their pipe and smoke it. I'm no longer going to let them tell me what I can and can not create with my free time just because they are greedy, selfish, anal compulsive jurks. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Hey, way to go. That's the spirit. Lol! On 3/24/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: And, if they put it in their pipe and smoke it, I hope they get cancer of the wallet. --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi I did read the entire bgt license and I think I definitely will just get the lite version. reason? that is because I want to put the games I create I want to use the gnu general public license with all my games. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi thomas, there's a program called ragon unpacker that will let you rip sounds from many types of games. I plan on using that to get some or many sounds, and then make my games free using the gnu general public license and give em out! I'm gunnahave to re-read some of the looping stuff, but I find that setting my screen reader to read all punctuation and examining code a bit at a time I'm slowly getting the hang of this. as in its starting to really make sense. Philip did a great job and when it comesout he's getting my money for the lite version! I hope it costs $60 or so. hopefully it'll be under $100. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't think you can GPL something which uses copyrighted sounds. Best just distributed it license-free with the sounds. Licenses are confining anyway. If you can get creative with sound effects; edit and combine them in interesting ways to give your game a unique atmosphere. It'll sound odd with sounds coming from all sorts of games. That or worse: it'll sound just like another game. On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi thomas, there's a program called ragon unpacker that will let you rip sounds from many types of games. I plan on using that to get some or many sounds, and then make my games free using the gnu general public license and give em out! I'm gunnahave to re-read some of the looping stuff, but I find that setting my screen reader to read all punctuation and examining code a bit at a time I'm slowly getting the hang of this. as in its starting to really make sense. Philip did a great job and when it comesout he's getting my money for the lite version! I hope it costs $60 or so. hopefully it'll be under $100. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi James, Correct. The GPL is intended for completely free and non-commercial software which includes sounds, graphics, and other associated materials. As a result if Josh uses commercial sounds from game x he just voids the GPL license. At most the GPL will protect his source code, but all of the sounds are still under their original commercial license. For what he wants to do it is better to give it away license free. On 3/24/10, James Dietz james.j.di...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you can GPL something which uses copyrighted sounds. Best just distributed it license-free with the sounds. Licenses are confining anyway. If you can get creative with sound effects; edit and combine them in interesting ways to give your game a unique atmosphere. It'll sound odd with sounds coming from all sorts of games. That or worse: it'll sound just like another game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Yes, I know about Dragon Unpacker. It is a great tool if you want to pirate sounds, but I seriously have to point out how illegal it is to do what you want to do. It is better if you purchase royalty free sounds and use those for any game project you plan to redistribute to the public. I know better than most how tempting it is to use a tool like Dragon Unpacker and pirate all the sounds you want, but it isn't a good idea in the long run. I mean I've used such tools to create custom Tomb Raider packs for Mysteries of the Ancients, have a Star Wars game in development, but neither have exactly been shared with the public. I consider my use of the commercial sounds and music purely private, and may or may not share them publicly. I certainly don't endorce them on my web site as it isn't exactly legal for me to do so. Cheers! On 3/24/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi thomas, there's a program called Dragon unpacker that will let you rip sounds from many types of games. I plan on using that to get some or many sounds, and then make my games free using the gnu general public license and give em out! I'm gunnahave to re-read some of the looping stuff, but I find that setting my screen reader to read all punctuation and examining code a bit at a time I'm slowly getting the hang of this. as in its starting to really make sense. Philip did a great job and when it comesout he's getting my money for the lite version! I hope it costs $60 or so. hopefully it'll be under $100. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, If I am not wrong, I do not see what legal foot they have to standon if they tried to take it to court. Making Star Trekk a Registerable game might violate it, but making a free ware with no Copyright is totallylegal, unless I am missing something (which is always possible). Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games And, if they put it in their pipe and smoke it, I hope they get cancer of the wallet. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: tate...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Ann, Yeah, I know the feeling all too well. It is even worse since I am a game developer and know even if I create a Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc type of game I can't really sell it. Paramount didn't seam to care about my Star Trek game as long as it was free so that's what I did. Lucas Arts on the other hand told me up front that there was no way in Hads they would grant me permission for the use of the Star Wars trademarks freeware or otherwise. That's totally anal from my point of view since they are making millions off of sighted games, toys, and everything else, but can't let a blind developer release a free Star wars game legally. That's just the kind of greedy low lifes they really are. As for myself I've got a couple of private projects I'm working on they know nothing about. Perhaps some day I'll decide to release them as freeware, for the blind community, and if they don't like it that's tough luck. They can take that put it in their pipe and smoke it. I'm no longer going to let them tell me what I can and can not create with my free time just because they are greedy, selfish, anal compulsive jurks. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, Yeah, allot of my games are my remakes of the games that I played on my Atari 2600 and Atari 800 XL back when I had sight. and I am glad that the arrow keys on your new computer work for TJS. BFN - Original Message - yes as you know i have all your games on my computer because two reasons. the first is they are free and the second is they remind me of the basic gaming that i love from the atari days. don't get me wrong i don't mind paying for a game but it better be worth my wild. see your games are worth my time and my wild. i love how in some of the games they say funny stuff. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Jim Now if I could only find the Video switch! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Lawrence, Thank you for saying that my games are very good. I appreciate it very much. BFN - Original Message - and must I say, they all are very good games, and free at that. we all should be thankful for the wonderful work Jim has done for us as blind people. personally speaking, I love Jim's games the best. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, I can do better than that Jim I totally take back all those times I didn't want to nap when I was younger. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Thank you very much. And yes, I will continue to create games for as long as I am enjoying doing so. BFN - Original Message - They're good games, too. I appreciate your work, Jim. As long as it's your hobby, keep up the good work. Thanks. --- In God we trust. Jim I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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you know we love your games for sure and we are still getting out the word. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, I can do better than that - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: playful-puppy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Lawrence, Thank you for saying that my games are very good. I appreciate it very much. BFN - Original Message - and must I say, they all are very good games, and free at that. we all should be thankful for the wonderful work Jim has done for us as blind people. personally speaking, I love Jim's games the best. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, I can do better than that Jim I totally take back all those times I didn't want to nap when I was younger. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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does anyone know of any free rpg games for the blind that are any good? does anyone know of any free games that i can use a computer game cntroller? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The only game I really even try to make use of a game controller with is topspeed2 - the racing game. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: [Audyssey] free games does anyone know of any free rpg games for the blind that are any good? does anyone know of any free games that i can use a computer game cntroller? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4947 (20100315) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4947 (20100315) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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If you're looking for a interesting rpg game. Here's something you might want to test drive. There's a online truck driving game called trukz. No I did not misspell it. The addresws is www.trukz.com So enjoy. Have a good day, From the Kolesar brothers and our puppies kolesar16...@roadrunner.com - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:52 AM Subject: [Audyssey] free games does anyone know of any free rpg games for the blind that are any good? does anyone know of any free games that i can use a computer game cntroller? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games
Hi Michael, You know my Mach 1 tts, Pong, Puppy 1 and Triple J Shooter games support a joystick slash game controller. They are all free and can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. HTH BFN Jim My joystick is a Saitek ST290 Pro. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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and must I say, they all are very good games, and free at that. we all should be thankful for the wonderful work Jim has done for us as blind people. personally speaking, I love Jim's games the best. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, I can do better than that - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Michael, You know my Mach 1 tts, Pong, Puppy 1 and Triple J Shooter games support a joystick slash game controller. They are all free and can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. HTH BFN Jim My joystick is a Saitek ST290 Pro. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yes as you know i have all your games on my computer because two reasons. the first is they are free and the second is they remind me of the basic gaming that i love from the atari days. don't get me wrong i don't mind paying for a game but it better be worth my wild. see your games are worth my time and my wild. i love how in some of the games they say funny stuff. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yep so do I, I really love Jim Kitchen's games, I have 1 other game I paid for, lone wolf, it is another 1 of my favorites. When God finished the creation of Adam, He stepped back, scratched his head, and said, I can do better than that - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games yes as you know i have all your games on my computer because two reasons. the first is they are free and the second is they remind me of the basic gaming that i love from the atari days. don't get me wrong i don't mind paying for a game but it better be worth my wild. see your games are worth my time and my wild. i love how in some of the games they say funny stuff. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, It might help to know exactly what types of RPG games you mean. The term RPG covers several different styls of games such as muds, game book adventures, roguelike games, etc. It might help us to know what specifically you are interested in. On 3/16/10, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: does anyone know of any free rpg games for the blind that are any good? does anyone know of any free games that i can use a computer game cntroller? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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They're good games, too. I appreciate your work, Jim. As long as it's your hobby, keep up the good work. Thanks. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Michael, You know my Mach 1 tts, Pong, Puppy 1 and Triple J Shooter games support a joystick slash game controller. They are all free and can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. HTH BFN Jim My joystick is a Saitek ST290 Pro. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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No doubt.. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games They're good games, too. I appreciate your work, Jim. As long as it's your hobby, keep up the good work. Thanks. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Michael, You know my Mach 1 tts, Pong, Puppy 1 and Triple J Shooter games support a joystick slash game controller. They are all free and can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. HTH BFN Jim My joystick is a Saitek ST290 Pro. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, No? Maybe I missed something, but what's that supposed to mean exactly? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of key stone Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:35 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games No doubt.. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games They're good games, too. I appreciate your work, Jim. As long as it's your hobby, keep up the good work. Thanks. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games Hi Michael, You know my Mach 1 tts, Pong, Puppy 1 and Triple J Shooter games support a joystick slash game controller. They are all free and can be found on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page. HTH BFN Jim My joystick is a Saitek ST290 Pro. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Free Games Page Updated
Hello everyone, As per request I've started upgrading the USA Games free games page. I'm going to do a little bit each day until the page has most if not all of the free games I have up there. Anyway, as of 3:00 most of the former PB-Games are on the free games page http://www.usagamesinteractive.com/games.php and can now be downloaded directly from the web site. The only game I seam to be missing is Tic Tac Toe which I can't seam to find in my PB-Games collection. If anyone has it please let me know where to download it so I can put it up with the rest of the free games collection. Over the next few days I'll try and begin putting up the links for the Spoonbill games as well as the games from Lighttech Interactive. Enjoy! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] free games was pairacy
Dark said: I would however be interested to know what Draconis' or 7-128's overheads are, sinse both, rather than being one man bands, are full companies with a larger staff. I'll share with you the experience we have had on our latest game. As you are probably aware, we design all our games to have the accessibility accommodations that can still keep to the gameness of the game. However, we may not be able to complete a specific accommodation in the game due to cost, or time constraints. In our latest game, Visit Salem, which is a travelogue and scavenger hunt of Salem MA, we designed it to be blind, VI, deaf and motion impaired accessible. This game has 180 locations, over 600 photographs, 6 hours of stories, interviews, historic information and voiceovers talking about interesting things. We worked on it non-stop with a fairly large team for six months. About half-way through it became apparent that we were not going to be able to complete the accessibility part because it would double the time and cost. Why it would double the time is that each of the photos have to have a description, all of the voiceovers and interviews would have to be transcribed for closed captioning, and the scavenger hunt items would need to be included in the descriptions so that the game would be playable. This would increase the time to completion by 4 - 6 months with a comparable increase in cost. We still want to do an accessible version, but need to cover our expenses and sell out the first bunch of CD's we had produced. So, despite the fact that the game was designed with accessibility in mind, it will have to wait until we recoup the money spent. And that is in the thousands as you would expect. The kind of costs involved include things like licensing the music, having CD's burned and envelopes printed, purchasing sound clips, buying display cases to have the local merchants who sell our product display them. Then you have to advertise and promote the game. Not to mention the cost associated with the time spent by the developers. Another issue in general is that despite the fact that many of our games are accessible, we don't know how many have been purchased because they are accessible. It is possible for us to estimate that the purchasers of our Perceptions GameBook are probably blind or VI. However, it is not possible to guess about any other purchases. So - if you want to have the greatest impact on developers, what I suggest is that when you buy a game, you let the developer know that you are blind or VI and that you are buying the game because it is accessible. This would alert the developer that there is a market for accessible games. This is especially important for games that are not specifically for blind and VI gamers, but are from more main-stream game developers that are trying to make their games playable by all. If the added work, time and money don't result in added sales, eventually they will get discouraged and stop adding the accessibility features they do add. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software www.7128.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy
Hi Charles, Well, keep in mind that was a ball park figure, a good guess on my part, but I believe David Greenwood said at one time that Shades of Doom 1.0 had sold a little over 200 copies. If you do the math 200 games times $35.00 each is $7,000.00 USD give or take a few for rounding. Then, he also mentioned to me that he had sold about 40 games after releasing version 1.2. That's another $1,400.00 USD on top of the money he made for 1.0. The grose income therefore is about $8,400 for that one game, and I have missed a few as I'm going on memory and not exact figures here. So I place the full potential of that one game somewhere between $8,000 and $10,000 as i figure it. That's not a bad income for an accessible game, but it is still less than minimum wage if we consider that a person's years income for a single product. As I said before that will certainly help pay off some credit cards, a nice down payment on a car, you can buy a new computer, things like that, but it is not any kind of income you can live off of by any means. Plus you have to consider any costs like sounds, music, special licenses, taxes, etc that will reduce your actual take home pay considerably. So if a game does well it isn't very good pay at all as you could get a job at McDonald's and make more. That's the sad truth of it. Charles Rivard wrote: Now I'm curious. What game made, maybe, 8 to 10 thousand bucks? I wonder if I have it? Thanks. --- In God we trust! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy
While this makes sense Tom, I would however be interested to know what Draconis' or 7-128's overheads are, sinse both, rather than being one man bands, are full companies with a larger staff. does the larger staff, with it's inclusion of actors sound designers and musicians as well as programmers increase the net prophets by decreasing the general cost? Also, of course 7-128 do make other games besides their accessible ones, does this increase their overhead? I'd also be interested to know about subscription or donation projects which have appeal for sighted players as well. On the symple end of the scale there si all in play. then however, there are games like Sryth, which at one time had about 2000 subscribing players (it's probably got more now, that's 38000 dollars a year, and that's at a conservative estimate of the player base. I have friends in supposedly good, full time employment graduate standard jobs who earn less than that. This is also why I have no sympathy with the Sryth Webmasters' more recent money grabbing activities concerning the sale of adventurer tocans, but there you go. would this be a way for a developer to maintain an income while creating accessible games? Of course, it has the aded problem of the developer needing to continually create at least some new content to make the players' subscriptions worth it, - but given the comparative ease of html programming and the fact that if the game already exists, adding extra content should be relatively symple, would this leave time for other projects and yet create sufficient income? I'm not certain myself, I just thought it was an interesting possibility to discuss while considdering games developement and finances. Btw, creating a single player text rpg is something I myself would considder doing in the future once my phd is finished and if I am not taken up with either academic or fiction writing, sinse at that point I could probably devote sufficient time and dedication to learning necessary html programming, - and after Tom's comments about html being the best medium for a text rpg game, it's something I'd give serious consideration to, I already have several ideas. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy
Hi Dark, Well, I don't know Draconis's or 7-128's financial overhead, but it would be interesting to add to the debate if they would be willing to share or release such information here. All I do know is that game's specifically created for the blind generally don't do well, and the income made off of them isn't enough to make a living. As a result most of us have jobs outside the games we create for fun. Now, as for a game like Sryth it has a large appeal that is not specific to just blind players. As a result Michael has a sizable subscriber base including both blind and sighted players alike. Given that it is a game accessible to the blind and sighted gamers anyone can likely make a living off that type of game as long as there are people willing to pay for a subscription and give donations. Granted in the USA thirty to fourty thousand a year is not considered very good money, but you can live on it if you are careful with your money, aren't a big spender, and manage it well. It is certainly better money than the average person gets running the checkout counter for a store, stocking shelves, or a hundred other entry level jobs here in the USA. To answer your questions more directly a blind game developer probably could make it if he or she did design a very good online based RPG game that would be available to both blind and sighted players alike. Obviously the game would need to be maintained in order to keep the customers coming back, but maintaining it would be much less work than writing it in the first place. He could work on other accessible games in his free time tha would of course add to his over all income, and still be making a living at it. I've thought about doing this myself, but I'm not really sure I'm up to the task of writing a good roll playing game as compelling as Final Fantacy or even as good as Sryth. For me it is a creativity block rather than a technical block. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy
That's interesting and brings a new perspective to the debate. I didn't realize the cost of living in the us was quite that high currently. In England, the governmental minimum wage is about £14000 a year, which given current exchange rate is probably something like $21000. A wage of £2, - or about $32000 is considdered a good starting wage, and what many teachers, computer programmers and other professional jobs will be earning when they first qualify (I have various friends in this state currently). I now appreciate the financial situation quite a bit more. I do wonder though, if making an accessible rpg game similar to Sryth, and using the finances from such a game to fund developement of other accessible games would be a viable decision for a programmer. My estimates of the Sryth Gm's income were conservative at best, and there are certainly more subscribing players now. Also, as I said, I think he's got considderably greedy with forced donations as time has continued. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy Hi Dark, Well, I don't know Draconis's or 7-128's financial overhead, but it would be interesting to add to the debate if they would be willing to share or release such information here. All I do know is that game's specifically created for the blind generally don't do well, and the income made off of them isn't enough to make a living. As a result most of us have jobs outside the games we create for fun. Now, as for a game like Sryth it has a large appeal that is not specific to just blind players. As a result Michael has a sizable subscriber base including both blind and sighted players alike. Given that it is a game accessible to the blind and sighted gamers anyone can likely make a living off that type of game as long as there are people willing to pay for a subscription and give donations. Granted in the USA thirty to fourty thousand a year is not considered very good money, but you can live on it if you are careful with your money, aren't a big spender, and manage it well. It is certainly better money than the average person gets running the checkout counter for a store, stocking shelves, or a hundred other entry level jobs here in the USA. To answer your questions more directly a blind game developer probably could make it if he or she did design a very good online based RPG game that would be available to both blind and sighted players alike. Obviously the game would need to be maintained in order to keep the customers coming back, but maintaining it would be much less work than writing it in the first place. He could work on other accessible games in his free time tha would of course add to his over all income, and still be making a living at it. I've thought about doing this myself, but I'm not really sure I'm up to the task of writing a good roll playing game as compelling as Final Fantacy or even as good as Sryth. For me it is a creativity block rather than a technical block. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy
What counts is the game developer's reasons for developing their games. Jim Kitchen does it strictly as a hobby. Others don't. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Willem dwill...@gmail.com To: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy Hi all. Now the issue of piracy has reared it's head, I have a question for everybody. Is it really worth all the effort to sell an accessible game? I know you make money, but is it really enough to live off? As things appear from my side, a potential developer, making audio games is almost a charity job anyway. The market is so small and many people can't afford the games or just crack them plain and simple, which makes the buyers even less. Either way, you have to do it because you love what you do and not to make money. In fact most developers have other jobs as I understand it. In fact some programmers build useful utilities just to have a website worth visiting so they can put up adds and a donate button, which works better in some, if not most cases. Lastly, I know there goes more into a game than programming. You spend thousands on sound libraries, licensing systems and the like, but wouldn't a free, community-driven project be more worthwhile? I have also heard the arguments against community projects, namely that everybody has their own coding style and ideas and that there isn't enough people who would contribute without wanting something back, but at this stage it's all one man shows, except GMA who sub licensed the GMA engine. I know there are exceptions, like Thomas Ward and Raceway/mota, but to my mind trying to live off making games is like squeezing water out of a piece of wood, all be it a wet piece of wood. Like you can see I don't have much experience in this area, but I would like to hear what you all think. I especially want to hear from the people that have been doing it for years. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Now I'm curious. What game made, maybe, 8 to 10 thousand bucks? I wonder if I have it? Thanks. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] free games was Piracy Hi Willem, Well, I haven't been in the business as long as GMA, Jim Kitchen, or BSC, but it doesn't take long to get a feel for what the market is really like. I can probably answer your questions as well as the next person. Is it really worth all the effort to sell an accessible game? I would say no, and there are plenty of reasons why I say this. First, of course is copyright issues. Companies tend to turn a blind eye towards the free and open source projects like FreeCiv, KDE Packman, and Open Quake, because although they are based on the commercial products they are free and open source. It usually isn't worth a company's time and money trying to sue the developer or open source community for creating a free clone of their software. However, the minute that same developer tries to market the product, sell it commercially, he owes royalties to the company that holds the copyrights. If he makes enough at it and doesn't pay the royalties he can be taken to court in order to redress the money the company believes they are owed for the use of their copyrights and trademarks. Obviously, this is not something an accessible game developer ever hopes to face. Second, back when I was creating STFC I truly enjoyed writing games. Partly because it was for the most part freeware, and there was little pressure to get it done by a certain date. As soon as I took over the games from James North I was suddenly expected to get the games done as soon as possible, and there has been nothing but pressure to get the games done. That has largely effected my desire to do the games. Third, when you take money for the games you have to report the income to the government, file taxes, and you end up with almost nothing for your troubles in return. Considering there isn't much to be gained from game sales it usually just ends up covering the sounds and music costs, things like that, and the developer ends up with no real extra money to spend. Can you make a living writing accessible games? No, you really can't. You can make some to pay off a few bills, perhaps buy a new computer, or something like that but it isn't a job that pays you a stable income to live off of. The most I've heard an accessible game made was something like $10,000.00 USD, and after taxes go out you maybe end up with $7,000 to $8,000. That's assuming the game really did well. Usually, from what I've heard, a game usually makes $2,000 to $3,000 grose, and after taxes you are not making much off the game at all. So say about $2,500is average for a game as best I can guess. HTH Willem wrote: Hi all. Now the issue of piracy has reared it's head, I have a question for everybody. Is it really worth all the effort to sell an accessible game? I know you make money, but is it really enough to live off? As things appear from my side, a potential developer, making audio games is almost a charity job anyway. The market is so small and many people can't afford the games or just crack them plain and simple, which makes the buyers even less. Either way, you have to do it because you love what you do and not to make money. In fact most developers have other jobs as I understand it. In fact some programmers build useful utilities just to have a website worth visiting so they can put up adds and a donate button, which works better in some, if not most cases. Lastly, I know there goes more into a game than programming. You spend thousands on sound libraries, licensing systems and the like, but wouldn't a free, community-driven project be more worthwhile? I have also heard the arguments against community projects, namely that everybody has their own coding style and ideas and that there isn't enough people who would contribute without wanting something back, but at this stage it's all one man shows, except GMA who sub licensed the GMA engine. I know there are exceptions, like Thomas Ward and Raceway/mota, but to my mind trying to live off making games is like squeezing water out of a piece of wood, all be it a wet piece of wood. Like you can see I don't have much experience in this area, but I would like to hear what you all think. I especially want to hear from the people that have been doing it for years. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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You forgot spoonbilgames.com I think thats whats its called. When you request a game for the first time ask to be added to the mailing list, that way you can request new titles after they come out of production, and you can even request every title they have for blind gamers. Currently I have subscribed for all games, if I like it I request. Each game is 600kb. Mostly card and puzzle games, they are free and remind me off the mail order stuff you get. Except this is email order and its all free. At 09:51 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: Hi all, There is quite a few free games for the VI comunity. You can begin your free games collection by visiting Jim Kitchen's site: http://www.kitchensinc.net and grab monopoly, NFL, Winspanker, Mach 1, and more. Then, you can head over to the GMA Games site: http://www.gmagames.com and grab the free games collection which includes the dice rolling program, Solitar, and the mine program. After that you can visit PB Games http://www.pbgames.net and get Dark Destroyer. For those who do not already have it you can head over to Playing In the Dark http://www.playinginthedark.net and grab Top Speed 2. Finally, if all else fails and you want more always check out http://www.audiogames.net to see what is available. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 4/21/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] Free Games was no subject.
Hi all, There is quite a few free games for the VI comunity. You can begin your free games collection by visiting Jim Kitchen's site: http://www.kitchensinc.net and grab monopoly, NFL, Winspanker, Mach 1, and more. Then, you can head over to the GMA Games site: http://www.gmagames.com and grab the free games collection which includes the dice rolling program, Solitar, and the mine program. After that you can visit PB Games http://www.pbgames.net and get Dark Destroyer. For those who do not already have it you can head over to Playing In the Dark http://www.playinginthedark.net and grab Top Speed 2. Finally, if all else fails and you want more always check out http://www.audiogames.net to see what is available. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hello Thomas and all. Another cool site to check out is www.pcsgames.nett. It has alink that lists games for the blind. It is labeled fantastic games and where to find them. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Free Games was no subject. Hi all, There is quite a few free games for the VI comunity. You can begin your free games collection by visiting Jim Kitchen's site: http://www.kitchensinc.net and grab monopoly, NFL, Winspanker, Mach 1, and more. Then, you can head over to the GMA Games site: http://www.gmagames.com and grab the free games collection which includes the dice rolling program, Solitar, and the mine program. After that you can visit PB Games http://www.pbgames.net and get Dark Destroyer. For those who do not already have it you can head over to Playing In the Dark http://www.playinginthedark.net and grab Top Speed 2. Finally, if all else fails and you want more always check out http://www.audiogames.net to see what is available. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Free Games was no subject.
also, do not forget www.l-works.net I have five free games that you can download, play, and post your scores to. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Free Games was no subject. Hi all, There is quite a few free games for the VI comunity. You can begin your free games collection by visiting Jim Kitchen's site: http://www.kitchensinc.net and grab monopoly, NFL, Winspanker, Mach 1, and more. Then, you can head over to the GMA Games site: http://www.gmagames.com and grab the free games collection which includes the dice rolling program, Solitar, and the mine program. After that you can visit PB Games http://www.pbgames.net and get Dark Destroyer. For those who do not already have it you can head over to Playing In the Dark http://www.playinginthedark.net and grab Top Speed 2. Finally, if all else fails and you want more always check out http://www.audiogames.net to see what is available. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Free Games was no subject.
As m fegan said, that was his friend who posted that query using his email. I believe that his friend was at his house. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Free Games was no subject. Hi all, There is quite a few free games for the VI comunity. You can begin your free games collection by visiting Jim Kitchen's site: http://www.kitchensinc.net and grab monopoly, NFL, Winspanker, Mach 1, and more. Then, you can head over to the GMA Games site: http://www.gmagames.com and grab the free games collection which includes the dice rolling program, Solitar, and the mine program. After that you can visit PB Games http://www.pbgames.net and get Dark Destroyer. For those who do not already have it you can head over to Playing In the Dark http://www.playinginthedark.net and grab Top Speed 2. Finally, if all else fails and you want more always check out http://www.audiogames.net to see what is available. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
