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Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a
differing viewpoint.
Nice BLINK tags.
bss? Biological Sciences Staff? Hmmm.
Mark.
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Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:40:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. OK ... when I said "there's nothing they can do", I of course meant there's nothing they can do if you're prepared to actually fight them in court, not "they can't send you threatening legal letters that actually carry no legal weight". There's nothing at that page to suggest that CIN were doing anything other than throwing their weight around just to scare someone off. Which is what companies do all the time. I paid thousands of pounds for legal advice on this very issue (albeit about 5 years ago), and the opinion I got was "factual information cannot be copyrighted - only the arrangement of it". The classic case is someone who retypes a phone book. You can't reissue it in the same order (i.e. alphabetic by surname) as the original, but you could quite happily order it numberic by phone number and no-one could do anything... Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk make me laugh make me cry enrage me don't try to disengage me -
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Tony Bowden wrote: The classic case is someone who retypes a phone book. You can't reissue it in the same order (i.e. alphabetic by surname) as the original, but you could quite happily order it numberic by phone number and no-one could do anything... They could in Germany :-). There's been quite a bit of hoo-ha about this in recent years. It started out with a company providing a telephone CD (apparently they had people in China type up printed telephone directories, which was cheaper than buying the data from German Telecom) which also enabled you to search by number. Then that was forbidden, and third-party companies started selling add-ons that worked with vendor XYZ's telephone CD to add the reverse search back in; those are forbidden, too, but these third parties are harder to get at. I believe the reasoning given is data protection -- people consented to have their name and number in a book but only for the usual use: looking up a number by name. And that people are not allowed to provide reverse search unless they have the consent of all the people involved. Cheers, Philip
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Tony Bowden wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code to commercial app looks like?" Under (U.S.) IP law, it's pretty much the same thing. ymmv. ianal. -- mike
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:03:52AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code to commercial app looks like?" If people can't see a difference here, then let's just leave it to the lawyers. We'll just go round and round for ages... Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk i don't want the world i just want your half -
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:03:52AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: The fact you are recording is "What Billboard said was number one". *That* is a fact. Why they decided it was number one isn't the issue. How about if I put up a website wherein I disclose the fact: "This is what the object code to commercial app looks like?" Is this relevant at all? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16147.html "The injunction was granted thanks to new European database laws that essentially assume data to be copyrightable" Does that mean things like the Billboard charts? They could certainly try and demonstrate an adverse effect on their revenues from licensing their listings... -- matt "The problem with youth culture and media today is that young people are given the impression that they actually are doing something, when in fact they are only needed as participants in a staged marketing event." - Wolfgang Tillmans
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -, Matthew Jones wrote: Is this relevant at all? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16147.html "The injunction was granted thanks to new European database laws that essentially assume data to be copyrightable" Almost certainly. As I say, my legal dealings here were 5 years ago when it wasn't... Does that mean things like the Billboard charts? They could certainly try and demonstrate an adverse effect on their revenues from licensing their listings... Well, you're into transatlantic stuff if the site was in the UK, but this new law would massively complicate things. Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk beneath it's shining like gold but better rumours of glory -
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Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] I don't know if you are asking the right people here. I think the actions of most Europeans are as much a mystery to those in the UK as the US. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. -- h. l. mencken
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:54:04PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: Since the majority of UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been there. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
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David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if your con could be immediately before or after the LBW. The Amsterdam YAPC folks have a bunch of venues they're looking at, but only some have given them specific dates they're free. The only dates they've been told about are for the week before the London OScon. I hope the L16G 2001 doesn't clash with either. As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] because those on the Continong will be sunning their lily-white bottoms in the south of France instead of getting lilier-white by hanging out with other open source geeks?[2] Well I know Belgium effectively closes for a month but I can't remember if it's July or August (never _ever_ have a product that you can't meet demand for only produced in one place in the world and that being Belgium! It makes for a fun life, NOT! :-) ) and Paris does effectively shut down for a couple of weeks in August (Parisians go to the coast for their hols), so there is some precedent for saying Europe effectively shuts down for August. I'm with Dave on the whole don't hold it in the UK thing, if I'm off to a conference I'd rather it was somewhere away from home. I'd have said The Netherlands but YAPC::Europe's bagged that one. Was the choice of the UK because of possible language barriers? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk let's do tricks with chicks and clocks, sir -
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. Dave... [who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going on it himself]
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* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. You don't wan't to do that, it's likely to be the only female on the ship. And anyway, we'd need something to keep Randal amused on the long trip (and it would be a _long_ trip from the Pacific Northwest to Europe). Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Yeah ditto... jp
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:47:37AM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: David Cantrell writes: Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been there. Good idea, hold it in Vienna. Makes for an easy commute (for a change). This means nothing to me, ohhh... (sorry)
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave...
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Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave... Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! Markk.
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Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Joe Dolce Shaddap ya face -Original Message- From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2001 12:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave...
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:46 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Was it "Shaddap a yer Face"? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding :) Dave...
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Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding :) Dave... Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. Markk. if you want to buy me a pint by proxy, send the cash to. :-)
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Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but as you know still a little unorganised, not much. I'm getting a bit worried as to the large number of conferences I want to go to this summer... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... ...or maybe Mark's working on a project that was _so_ designed that he has spare time to spend reading emails the second they arrive :) Dave...
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Leon Brocard wrote: Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but as you know still a little unorganised, not much. Speaking of which, do you know whether the yapc::Europe::19101 organisers are planning to resurrect the yapc-europe mailing list for dissemination of propaganda^W^W^Wsending out information? Or maybe another mailing list? Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Cheers, Philip
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I could go with September, if you go for before August the start of July has a selection of stuff already in planning: The summer Linux Developers' Conference Fri 29th June to Sun 1st July. Linux Expo Weds 4th - Thurs 5th July in London. LinuxTag Stuttgart (Germany) 5th-8th July 2001. Also there is going to be a UKLISA in the second half of this year but I'm not too sure of dates. HTH Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
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Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agadoo. Forget it. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. Dave... [who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going on it himself] Do it. I did the first one and it was *enormously* good fun. -- Piers
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Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Once a venue has been found, things will start to happen. Give it a couple of weeks. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... On that basis I should have got there first :-) "I go into the office, I don't go to work" - me, recently. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we will drive it at full speed up the Thames and attempt to ram HMS Belfast.
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Regards Kieran
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Dave...
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* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Greg - who is easily bought -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell running on the serial port. Cheers, Mike -- Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] || "Woof?" http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mw || Gaspode the Wonder Dog Work: +44 020 7594 8440|| Mobile: +44 07879 697119|| ICQ: 43922064
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* Mike Wyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell running on the serial port. the upcoming Nokia communicator, with the colour screen and the EPOC operating system is what i'm waiting for. especially as it can now download other EPOC programs to run on it. very nifty indeed, but i would say that. Greg (disclosure : Greg works for Symbian currently) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Greg - who is easily bought Best use of a PDA does of course go to a movie that follows on from an earlier discussion, Under Seige 2 and the newton fax sending scene :-) Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. Michael
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Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- edgar allan poe
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At 17 Jan 2001 15:54:31 +, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". Yeah. Great book. I should buy a copy. But new editions come out every year and I just know that I'd end up buying every edition once I started. This is just the kind of stuff that _should_ be on the web. Dave...
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. That's the sucker! Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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Dave Cross wrote: Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Number ones on this day .. 5 years ago .. Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song' 10 .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter' 15 .. Pet Shop Boys - ' West End Girls' 20 .. John Lennon - 'Imagine' 24 .. Queen - 'Bohemian Rapsody' other people with birthdays on this day include Paul Young, Susanna Hoffs (of the Bangles), Andy Rourke (bassist with the Smiths), Joan Colins, Al Capone, Anne Bronte, Nevil Shute, Kid Rocks, Shabba Ranks, Eartha Kitt, Ben Franklin and Muhammed Ali. In 1946 the United Nations Security Council held its first meeting but the Gulf War started today in 1991 On Jan 17th in 1995 ther San Fransico earthquake caused 20 billion dollars of damage and exactly a year later more than 6000 people were killed because of an earth quake in Kobe, Japan. In 1997 a court in Ireland granted the first divorce in the Roman Catholic country's history. Not that I have any special interest in today. Sure are a lot of earth quakes though. Simon [barely able to focus on screen : liquid lunch++]
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Hmm. I seem to recall that Sweet Dreams got to number two while the Police (Every Breath You Take) was at the top, then another mega-hit (Beat It? C'mon Eileen?) came along as well. I obviouly blinked and missed the week at the top. Regards Kieran
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Gareth Harper wrote: there are sites with all the no1's, but I don't know of any with all the top tens, theres probably one around, if not, start one ;) Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. I don't think RR would let you do it either. And with RR, you have to decide if you want CHR/pop or CHR/rythmic. And then you hit the problem that CHR used to be one category. Neither one of them has a searchable archive of charts on their websites. Bastards. 10 years ago today, Vanilla Ice had the no. 1 album in the US. MC Hammer was no. 2. -- Mike (html email is icky)
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual information cannot be copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it. If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... (ObDisclaimer: IANAL, although I have taken legal advice on this matter...) Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk if more people were screaming then I could relax -
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Roger
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Tony Bowden wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual information cannot be copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it. Nope. What is a chart? Billboard or RR or whoever's view of what the most popular songs in a given week were. They all use different methodologies, and are sort of an estimation as to what the popular songs are. There is no "fact" of a song being no. 1. It would be a stronger argument with ratings, but Arbitron owns all of the research the ratings are based on and are, if possible, more litigious than Billboard. On a note remotely related to computers, Napster nemesis Metallica's bass player quit. "Due to private and personal reasons, and the physical damage that I have done to myself over the years while playing the music that I love, I must step away from the band," Newsted said in a statement. -- mike
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. jsut do them as they do to you ... (or indeed as some guy is doing to the football league right now) publish a set of web pages for next weeks charts that include all possible permutations of the current top 20 for NEXT WEEK .. explicitly state they are copyright and permission is required to reproduce this original work ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. alternatively publish it under a GNU licence and then from this day forward anyone who wants to publish a top 10 can publish a copy of of one of your pages which being published a week ahead were there first and id like to see Billboard say otherwise. a guy is doing this to the football league (who sue people who publish copies of the fixture lists without paying) .. hes published copies of every possible combination of fixtures in advance of the draw and thereby claims copyright on this original work. he then intends to promote a 'selected excerpt' from his original work after the draw, and sue the football league if they infringe his copyright by publishing an identical list. hes obviously mad, but hey .. he might even win :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
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Robin Szemeti wrote: jsut do them as they do to you ... snip the arsenal fan story ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. The problem would be, you still couldn't post your top 10 as the Billboard top 10. And when Billboard published the results of their research, it wouldn't be infringing on your list, even if the songs were the same. There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have your methodolgy documented somewhere. -- mike
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have your methodolgy documented somewhere. and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
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Robin Szemeti wrote: and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) Did you label the variants as Billboard charts? If not, they aren't publishing the same thing. A list of songs is not a chart. -- mike
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From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Having said that, most London PM types aren't constrained by the likes of school-age children, so will probably take holidays at better value times of year... In case it's of interest, Monday, August, 27th, 2001 is the summer bank holiday (i.e. a public holiday) this year, at least according to http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm HTH, Andrew. [1] What with us having such long vacations over here and all.
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Andrew Bowman writes: You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? Thanks, Nat
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if your con could be immediately before or after the LBW. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
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David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if your con could be immediately before or after the LBW. The Amsterdam YAPC folks have a bunch of venues they're looking at, but only some have given them specific dates they're free. The only dates they've been told about are for the week before the London OScon. I hope the L16G 2001 doesn't clash with either. As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] because those on the Continong will be sunning their lily-white bottoms in the south of France instead of getting lilier-white by hanging out with other open source geeks?[2] Nat [1] not O'Reilly Official Wording[tm], of course [2] there's an open sores joke to be made there, but I won't do it
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From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? I imagine it will to some extent - but probably not too much. See what other folk here think and ask around on some of the European (i.e. continental) lists to see what they think. I know the Germans are quite keen on heading en masse to southern Europe[1] in the summer. Andrew. [1] An improvement on their previous European excursions :-)
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, you wrote: Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? I suspect most UK based families would rather not be in London in August ... other EU countries may still be in holiday mode and London will be a nice break for them and their families. Since the majority of UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO .. Orlando would be a nice alternative tho' .. :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
