Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Yep, activities is really good. If you want everything to work by gestures, add them to your hotspots and swipe around to get where you want. However, tabbing and untabbing is faster with mail. I've set up quite a few hotspots with garage band and now its such a pleasure to use it. Done the same with a stock monitoring app, Skype, a standalone drum kit, and numbers. Very useful On 22/07/2011, at 5:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues
Yes, exactly. You have no indication whether the download started or whether it is a broken link. It seems to be mimicking the same behavior as Internet Explorer 9. I much prefer having the download window open and show me the downloads instead of navigating to the toolbar and clicking on the button. Call me old-fashioned, On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I somewhat disagree with Buddy. OK, the download window is accessible to get to and once there works, but, if you click a link and a file starts downoading, you you hear is the link was pressed. You get no indication that it started downloading a file, so you just have to assume, then go look if you're so inclined. Definitely! a back-peddle in my opinion. Chris. - Original Message - From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues I agree completely with the mail sluggishness issues, particular if a message is very long or a conversation thread has more than a few messages in it. However, I don't see the downloads thing as an accessibility issue at all. The button is perfectly accessible, there's no trouble finding it, and once opened, the download window looks just like it did before. It's just different from the previous version, but IMO, no less accessible. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear MacVisionaries, I've just sent the following letter to Apple Accessibility. I hope it provides a decent summation of some of the issues we've been experiencing with the new OS, and that it will give them a better idea of what sorts of things should be looked into when they upgrade the product. I'll be sure to forward any response I receive. Best, Zack. Begin forwarded message: From: Zachary Kline kli...@onid.orst.edu Subject: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues Date: July 21, 2011 1:58:13 PM PDT To: Apple Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Dear Apple Accessibility, I have recently upgraded my mid 2010 macbook pro to Lion, and have for the most part been quite pleased with its performance. However, there are a few troubling developments which degrade the overall quality of the experience. THe Launchpad and Mission Control features seem mostly accessible, but there are some omissions which render them less useful than they could be. There seems no way to move applications into folders, or indeed at all, using VoiceOver. Drag and drop does not do the expected thing. Mission Control is somewhat better, but Spaces seem impractical because there is neither any way to delete them nor to move between apps in a single space. Safari and Mail also present accessibility problems. Safari's new downloads popup is not ideal accessibility-wise, and while it works after a fashion the old downloads window was preferable. Similarly, Mail seems sluggish, often reporting that it is busy, especially in the new layout. Drag and drop is inconsistent here as well: the Favorites bar can be added to with the new shortcuts, but Voiceover refuses to drag items which have a press action, thus requiring the old mouse toggling shortcut to remove them. These are a representative sampling of the various issues I've encountered in using Lion with VoiceOver. I hope that at least some of these may be fixed in the near future, as this would greatly improve the usability of the system. Yours sincerely, Zack Kline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: Nuance voices
Hey everyone. Just to clear things up, I've had the Nuance voices on my PC and you can't change the pitch or intonation of the voices. That's how Nuance programmed them, although for Tom I'm not sure why they didn't implement his ability of doing exclamations like they had in his demo on the Nuance site. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mac Cleaner plus dock icons
Hi all. I was wondering if anyone would know of a good cleaner for the mac (something to clear cache, cookies, temp files and all that junk.) Also, i deleted some apps off my macbook but their icons are still on the dock, how do i delete those? Thanks... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nuance voices
Hi, I find the fact that you can't change these parameters quite disappointing. Guess there isn't anything we can do about it though. I was looking forward to using these new voices with emacspeak. Without the ability to change pitch and intonation it makes them almost useless for emacspeak. Oh well. Kind regards Bart On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:49:30 -0500, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone. Just to clear things up, I've had the Nuance voices on my PC and you can't change the pitch or intonation of the voices. That's how Nuance programmed them, although for Tom I'm not sure why they didn't implement his ability of doing exclamations like they had in his demo on the Nuance site. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac Cleaner plus dock icons
Well, periform has this thing called C Cleaner all one word. It's been on windows for quite sometime, but just this past june they released a beta for the mac. They suggest not using it unless your an advanced user, but I've only been on mac for a little over a month and found no issues with using it. Also, when I was searching for the release of lion, I came across this thing in an article called getting your mac ready for lion, ironically it is called mac cleaner. Google it and I'm sure you will find it. The free version doesn't do to much, but paid versions claim to keep your mac squeaky clean. HTH Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com Sent from my IMac On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Sonnia wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone would know of a good cleaner for the mac (something to clear cache, cookies, temp files and all that junk.) Also, i deleted some apps off my macbook but their icons are still on the dock, how do i delete those? Thanks... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nuance voices
Hi. To be perfectly honest with you, I can't say I'm too excited about these voices. I can honestly say that I've never been that fond of them, even on windows. Maybe its just me. Just my personal opinion. On 7/22/11, Bart Bunting b...@bunting.net.au wrote: Hi, I find the fact that you can't change these parameters quite disappointing. Guess there isn't anything we can do about it though. I was looking forward to using these new voices with emacspeak. Without the ability to change pitch and intonation it makes them almost useless for emacspeak. Oh well. Kind regards Bart On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:49:30 -0500, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone. Just to clear things up, I've had the Nuance voices on my PC and you can't change the pitch or intonation of the voices. That's how Nuance programmed them, although for Tom I'm not sure why they didn't implement his ability of doing exclamations like they had in his demo on the Nuance site. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
ccleaner for mac
hi someone said there was cleaner for mac i just tried it said unsupported os then it closed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
dvd player real annoying bug
Hey everyone, This one is driving me crazy. When i pop in a dvd and the player starts, voice over keeps saying dvd player has new window. Constantly. One has to switch to a different app to shut it up. Anyone get the same outcome? Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac Cleaner plus dock icons
Hi Sonya, There is a program called Maintenance from Titanium Software which works with Lion. There is another called Clean my Mac. This works very well in cleaning up your hard drive. Chris On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:48 AM, Sonnia wrote: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone would know of a good cleaner for the mac (something to clear cache, cookies, temp files and all that junk.) Also, i deleted some apps off my macbook but their icons are still on the dock, how do i delete those? Thanks... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
garage band on lion
hi has anyone messed with gb yet on lion also the drag and drop is possible for us to drag a sample on the keyboard guessing not its visual maybe ricardo can chimne in lastly what's the groove time i searched for it in help it says you can set the your track to be the groove track thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Austin, Thank you a million times. This is wonderful. This set of hotspots aught to come included with Voiceover. I can't believe I didn't think of that. As soon as I return to Lion this will be the first thing I set up. I have restored my system from my backup drive and am now on Snow leopard. I want to install the Safari 5.1 update for Snow Leopard to see if the annoying issues I am having are due to the new version of safari or something else in Lion. I'm probably staying with SL until this gets fixed in some way. The other little quirks I can live with but safari was killing me. Thanks again for the idea, I am saving this message in a folder of Lion tips. Justin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using a mac full time?
Dear Krister, Anne et al., I can report that after installing Lion, ABBYY FineReader does not work at all - the program crashes on opening. Matthew Sweney On Jul 12, 6:58 pm, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Krister, If you do much OCR withABBYYFineReader, then you won't want to upgrade to Lion in a hurry. According to roaringapps.com FineReader isn't compatible with Lion. However, VueScan is shown as compatible with Lion. Cheers, Anne On 12 Jul 2011, at 14:13, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I have tried Vuescan and i must say i'm not satisfied with it. Firstly, it crashes on me after having scanned a document, and when it works, the ocr isn't at all as good as that ofAbbyyfinereader Express, which is my ocr app of choise. I don't know why this is, only that it is like that. I use the 64 bit version. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Where is the restore partition?
You can also hold down cmd+R to enter recovery mode. On 22/07/2011 02:22, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, The recovery partition isn't visible to the OS at all, it's only visible when you hold down the option key when you start the computer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georges Zaynoun Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Where is the restore partition? I installed Lion, still have same two partitions I had since I installed windows on bootcamp, I heard people saying Lion will create a restore partition so where is it? -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: all these issues
Hi David, Well-stated. Personally, I don't have the time and patience to invest right now in dealing with Lion. There's always a temptation to grab the latest and greatest. I get that. I do think I'll wait a month or so until the documentation hopefully comes out, I'm also eager to listen to Mike Arrigo's podcast on installation options. I'll upgrade, but I have no desire to be the first on my bloc to get Lion. Les On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:53 PM, David Tanner wrote: Ray, First off, keep in mind that people are going and trying things and are complaining if they are different. Ok, maybe the better way would be if folks spent a few days looking for answers before they started complaining. A friend of mine who was a Lion betatester says that there is no problem with email and there hasn't been throughout the beta cycle. This guy is totally blind and has been using a Mac for many years. Personally, I have installed Lion, I haven't seen any real problems yet, but I haven't had a lot of time to do a whole lot with it. I will confirm as did my betatester friend, that there definately is a big problem with the latest iTunes update, and I hope that Apple gets that fixed soon. Perhaps most new Apple users should take their time and wait awhile to move to Lion or if they go ahead and move to Lion they should be ready and willing to take the time to learn the new features and changes as they go along. But, if there are a number of the documentation items for things like VoiceOver still missing then maybe it's better to wait until gets all the documentation posted and available in an accessible format. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:52 AM Subject: all these issues To speak frankly, all these issues I'm reading about, (especially the issues with mail) make me wonder now just whether or not I should pay $29.95 and upgrade to Lion or not. Could it quite possibly be that all these problems people are having result from trying to learn a new OS without having much in the way of manuals or guidance? Could it quite possibly be that there are faster and better ways of doing things than have been found so far? Now somewhat skeptical. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hi, Does this mean that one can have 10 hot spots per application now? Les On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Yep, activities is really good. If you want everything to work by gestures, add them to your hotspots and swipe around to get where you want. However, tabbing and untabbing is faster with mail. I've set up quite a few hotspots with garage band and now its such a pleasure to use it. Done the same with a stock monitoring app, Skype, a standalone drum kit, and numbers. Very useful On 22/07/2011, at 5:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
That's exactly what it means. This makes hotspots an actually useful feature for a change. 10 hotspots aren't nearly enough system wide, but it's more than enough for one app. This is one of the best improvements in VoiceOver. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi, Does this mean that one can have 10 hot spots per application now? Les On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Yep, activities is really good. If you want everything to work by gestures, add them to your hotspots and swipe around to get where you want. However, tabbing and untabbing is faster with mail. I've set up quite a few hotspots with garage band and now its such a pleasure to use it. Done the same with a stock monitoring app, Skype, a standalone drum kit, and numbers. Very useful On 22/07/2011, at 5:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
command+tab in Lion?
Hi all, While trying Lion, I had a weird problem twice but I Can't reliably reproduce it. Has anyone else been in a situation where command+tab would not switch to other applications? The first time, a reset of voiceover took care of it. The next time, a reboot was required. While I'm writing, A quick word on the safari issues such as links sometimes not showing up, and heading navigation being unpredictable. After reverting to my snow leopard backup, I installed safari 5.1. Everything is fine. It must be related to something else that changed in Lion. Thanks, Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: all these issues
How do I go about making my dvd startable? I saved the install lion.app folder to an old 4gb hard disk, how can I make that hd startable? It is usb if that has sense, I want also to make a flash drive startable, what is the name of the boot image and where is it located? Can one use it for flash drives, hard disks and dvds as well? Original message: Yeah, That's why I'm waiting. Besides, I just got my first iPhone I'm playing with that now. So, when I've worn that out for a while, it'll be time to upgrade to Lion. By that time, I'm sure there will be a lot of answers for all these questions on the list. Good luck with your upgrade, CJ On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Well, CJ, I've given up Fan Controller and Lion is now resting in my apps folder; and, the file you need to burn to DVD to make a startup copy (I refuse to say bootable is now on my desktop. But, there are preliminary steps I want to take first. When my 1TB Buffalo Ministation drive comes tomorrow, I want to use CCC to make a startup volume of this current configuration and then, get a dVD from somewhere and copy over the disk image installer file to it. From there, it's gonna be a nice clean installation after hard formatting the HD. That might; perhaps, solve some of these issues with parts that people seem to be having. As for mail, it occurs to me that different people use Apple Mail in different ways; and so, they are finding out that this or that particular way of using it doesn't work anymore. as a consequence, and frankly, without much guidance as yet from Apple or others, they kind of stumble around until they find a way that works. I imagine that, after a few days from now, enough of us will have worked things out with these areas that we can look forward to a new batch of e-mails giving advice where once help was asked for. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:46 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: Ray, I'm starting to see you as a kindred spirit. First FanControler , now, waiting to download Lion. I took the same approach. I don't believe I'll stay with SL permanently, by any means. But, I do think I'll wait a bit longer. CJ On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: To speak frankly, all these issues I'm reading about, (especially the issues with mail) make me wonder now just whether or not I should pay $29.95 and upgrade to Lion or not. Could it quite possibly be that all these problems people are having result from trying to learn a new OS without having much in the way of manuals or guidance? Could it quite possibly be that there are faster and better ways of doing things than have been found so far? Now somewhat skeptical. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --
Re: Annoyingly sluggish typing
Hi Zack and Howard, I have noticed it, and I have my echo set to words. And no, other than Ricardo's idea of a clean stall, I have no idea what solution might be. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Howard, I don't notice this, perhaps because I turned off all forms of character echo a long time ago. Typing seems just the same to me as it did under SL. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I genuinely haven't noticed anything at all different about that part of things. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: Has anyone figured out a way to get around -- or get rid of -- the annoyingly sluggish response time when typing -- it's happening as I write this -- under Lion? I've found it in Pages, in Mail, in form fields on Safari. I've found it everywhere, actually. I'm using Alex and don't wish to switch, for whatever that's worth. Thanks. -- Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: garage band on lion
Hi, Yup, I've been using Garageband non stop since I got Lion. Not much has changed. There are minor cosmetic differences like getting rid of duplicate labels being read by Voiceover but, nothing really to report. Well, except the resizing of regions. Instead of pressing VO command shift accent, you can now interact with the handle and press VO right and left like when moving a slider. But, I've had no success using the new drag and drop to drop samples on the on screen keyboard. The problem remains the same. The keyboard is invisible to VO so you have know way of knowing where you are. And I'm pretty sure to drop and item, it must be able to be seen by the voiceover cursor. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:03 AM, chad baker wrote: hi has anyone messed with gb yet on lion also the drag and drop is possible for us to drag a sample on the keyboard guessing not its visual maybe ricardo can chimne in lastly what's the groove time i searched for it in help it says you can set the your track to be the groove track thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion and voiceover's drag and drop
Hi, Did you close the window with the file that you marked for drag and drop? If so, the file isn't visible and thus can't be dragged. The only time i got the message that the file wasn't available was when i tried to send a file via Airdrop to my iMac from my Macbook. I had to open another finder window to get the file and drag it across to the airdrop window, and that worked fine. /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 23:00 skrev Dan: Hello, I just used the comma and period keys respectively and here's what happened. I located a file in my documents folder, interacted with it and pressed VO comma, the file was then marked. Then I moved to my desktop and attempted to use VO period, but I also got the message about the file not being available any more. So, for me, it isn't working the way I think it should. Dan On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:15 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi listers, Has anybody running Lion gotten drag and drop to work correctly using voiceover? I opened the keyboard commander and assigned a command to mark an item for dragging. I then assigned another command to drop an item on the voiceover cursor. Whenever I select a document in a folder and then move to another folder, I get the message from voiceover that the marked item is no longer available. As an example I have not been able to drag a document from the documents folder on to my desktop. Voiceover says the item is no longer available. Even when I try dragging an item from documents to a folder contained within my documents folder, I get the notification that voiceover has failed to move the item. Does anybody know what's going on here? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hi, I love the fact that you not only can make activities automatic to certain programs, but also manual so you can use them wherever you want. This has very great potential. Anyone knows if hotspots were saved between sessions, that is when you started and shut down the computer in Snow Leopard? I know that in Leopard, hotspots were forgotten when you turned off your computer. Are hotspots remembered now? /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 07:57 skrev Austin Seraphin: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: hot spots
Hotspots are areas on the screen that you set up to have voiceover take you there with a key press. For example, there is not a hotkey for the add button in simply burns. So, instead of opening the item chooser, typing ad, pressing enter and then pressing enter on the add button, I hit the keystroke to jump directly to the add button and press enter. I could do the same for the text area showing the amount of used and free space. That way a single keypress would get me any information I need . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-21, at 7:29 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi all, I was just listening to VoiceOver On and creating hot spots in Lion. Well, I must confess, I don't know what a hot spot is in Snow Leopard. How do you create one? What is the purpose of a hot spot? I'm just curious. THank you for any help you can provide. I'm debating on whether to purchase Lion or wait for more to be known about bugs and quirks first. Thank you again and have a great day. Happily, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac ; or I'Pad.
It really depends on what computing tasks you want to accomplish. Personally I don't think the pc has any longer than 2015 for market purposes or 2020 on the long tail. By 2015 I think 70 or 80 per sent of us will be using something no bigger than a tablet. By then the technology will be where it needs to be so that it can completely replace the computer as we know it. Depending on what you want a computer for, the IPad might suit you just fine. If all you want to do is check your email, look things up on the web, get books, music and movies from a network attached storage and listen to them, The IPad is a good bet. If you need to run multibple opperating systems, record and edit professional audio, type and print professional documents and so on, you would probably be better off with a full laptop at this point, all though the day is not far off when the IPad or the IPhone will be really useful for some of these high end tasks. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-21, at 5:57 PM, mostafa almahdy wrote: Hello ; since I' am green in assessing the best of apple products to use as a blind user , I would love to consult you. I have two alternatives to choose from ; whether the mackintosh or I'Pad ; you may list the common pros and cons of the one each ; can the I'Pad be your major computer? Thanks for any help. Mostafa Al'mahdy ; Egyptian Citizen and Tahreer protester. skype: mostafa-the-speaker -- Best Wishs. It's always hope that gives meaning to life. __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: xCode 4.1 won't install on Lion.
Hi, You need to go into activity Monitor and quit iTunes Helper. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:56 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: xCode 4.1 won't install on Lion. Greetings, I installed Lion from DVD and completely erased my HD in the process. I then acquired xCode 4.1 from the Mac app store. During installation I received a message admonishing me to quit iTunes in order to continue the installation. I have a modicum of trouble following this directive because iTunes is not running; I didn't start it, nor can I find any instance of it when I cycle through open apps via command-tab. The install appears to hang at 79%. I restarted and unchecked the restore box, killed off the developer folder and tried again and experienced the identical scenario. I tried starting and quitting iTunes and turning off voiceOver to no avail. Some cursory Googling uncovered a recent bug where the in xCode installation would hang at 999% even though the product was installed. This did not seem applicable because I found no mention of the iTunes dialog, and this was purportedly addressed. As I know that Nick S and others are running xCode on Lion I assume there's a work-around I've not discovered? TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Where is the restore partition?
Do you mean hold the option key until the music is heard, for how long, do I have to right arrow to it as well? I happen to have bootcamp since before I installed lion on my imac mc508 from middle of last year. On this imac and on the mac mini I bought this year windows can see the mac partition and can read it, but on the macbook white 13inch I bought in February 2009 this is not the case, why does not windows see the mac partition whereas it can on the imac and the mac mini both from last year and this year? Original message: Hi, Just found a way to use this partition. Here it is. All you have to do is when starting the Mac, hold CMD+R until it starts booting. Then, you can turn on VO and you can get to the utilities such as Disk Utility. You can even reinstall Lion this way. HTH, Jeffrey On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, The recovery partition isn't visible to the OS at all, it's only visible when you hold down the option key when you start the computer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georges Zaynoun Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Where is the restore partition? I installed Lion, still have same two partitions I had since I installed windows on bootcamp, I heard people saying Lion will create a restore partition so where is it? -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi all, this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a different way to access the downloads window? TIA, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Help! How to undelete a block of text
Could someone please reind me how to undelete a block of deleted text? I wrote something, and wanted to copy and paste, but after hitting select all, instead of hitting copy, I hit delete. Thanks! Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help! How to undelete a block of text
Dear Christine, Try hitting cmd-z for undo. If you've avoided doing anything else to your text after deleting it, that should bring it back. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: Could someone please reind me how to undelete a block of deleted text? I wrote something, and wanted to copy and paste, but after hitting select all, instead of hitting copy, I hit delete. Thanks! Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Donna, In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a different way to access the downloads window? TIA, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues
Hi, Strange, i didn't have a problem dragging an app on top of another app in Launchpad. I managed to create a folder, the problem came after that, when i couldn't open the folder. I'll look into this again today, i'm sure there's a way to do it. I don't experience any sluggishness with mail, but then i have an iMac with Core7 processor and 8 Gb memory. Not saying you are wrong, just that i have experienced a different thing than you. /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 23:01 skrev Zachary Kline: Dear MacVisionaries, I've just sent the following letter to Apple Accessibility. I hope it provides a decent summation of some of the issues we've been experiencing with the new OS, and that it will give them a better idea of what sorts of things should be looked into when they upgrade the product. I'll be sure to forward any response I receive. Best, Zack. Begin forwarded message: From: Zachary Kline kli...@onid.orst.edu Subject: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues Date: July 21, 2011 1:58:13 PM PDT To: Apple Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Dear Apple Accessibility, I have recently upgraded my mid 2010 macbook pro to Lion, and have for the most part been quite pleased with its performance. However, there are a few troubling developments which degrade the overall quality of the experience. THe Launchpad and Mission Control features seem mostly accessible, but there are some omissions which render them less useful than they could be. There seems no way to move applications into folders, or indeed at all, using VoiceOver. Drag and drop does not do the expected thing. Mission Control is somewhat better, but Spaces seem impractical because there is neither any way to delete them nor to move between apps in a single space. Safari and Mail also present accessibility problems. Safari's new downloads popup is not ideal accessibility-wise, and while it works after a fashion the old downloads window was preferable. Similarly, Mail seems sluggish, often reporting that it is busy, especially in the new layout. Drag and drop is inconsistent here as well: the Favorites bar can be added to with the new shortcuts, but Voiceover refuses to drag items which have a press action, thus requiring the old mouse toggling shortcut to remove them. These are a representative sampling of the various issues I've encountered in using Lion with VoiceOver. I hope that at least some of these may be fixed in the near future, as this would greatly improve the usability of the system. Yours sincerely, Zack Kline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
Because sometimes, in some cases, when it comes to my computer for example i have so many apps in the doc that it quickly becomes just as unpractical as you claim the launchpad to be. If, for example you have apps starting with the same letter, you *can't* just press that letter repeatedly, you'll have to actually press the two, three, four, five and so on first letters in the app quickly in order to quickly get to the app. I welcome all new features and possibilities, and if they can make my life easier, fine, if not, fine. /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 21:52 skrev Ronald McEwan: Why don't you just add the app to the doc? In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: One situation where the launchpad could come in handy is if you don't have an application in the dock and don't want to sift through loads of files in the apps folder itself, i found it quite nice to just go into the launchpad and find the app from there. And how is it, does drag/drop not work inside Launchpad and how do you then drag an app on top of another to create a folder? /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 20:44 skrev Marc Workman: So I never intended to suggest that launchpad doesn't work, and thanks to Chris for the tip about escape, that will indeed dismiss the launchpad. I maintain that it is pretty useless though. Folders make sense in IOS, where there is no list of all your apps that can be accessed quickly through first letter navigation, with the exception of spotlight. With Lion though, the applications folder, the doc, spotlight, all seem like much faster ways of locating and launching apps. I'd be interested in knowing if and how others have found launchpad to be useful. Cheers, Marc - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Annoyingly sluggish typing
I noticed the same thing. The other voices seem to work fine. There used to be something called flush, which caused your speech to pretty much bypass some letters when you typed real fast. It seems to me that Alex just needs a little kick in the fanny to get him moving a little faster. Kev On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: Has anyone figured out a way to get around -- or get rid of -- the annoyingly sluggish response time when typing -- it's happening as I write this -- under Lion? I've found it in Pages, in Mail, in form fields on Safari. I've found it everywhere, actually. I'm using Alex and don't wish to switch, for whatever that's worth. Thanks. -- Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Determining how much space is in my hard drive
Hi, In snow leopard, I used to be able to tell how many items were in any given folder in my hard drive, and how much available space was left on my hard drive. How can I get this information back? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
I used drag and drop, it worked… sorta… thing was that when i then tried opening a folder containing the programs i had moved, nothing happened. Have to see if this can be rectified. /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 07:36 skrev Austin Seraphin: Well the getting started guide has now gone up, and it even has a little section about launchpad. Annoyingly though, it doesn't say how to move applications. I emailed Apple. We'll see. - Austin On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, That makes no sense. As you can see by the list traffic and people who have purchased lion, lack of documentation doesn't stop people from buying the product. Actually, the majority of people rather eat their arm than read a manual. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 PM, David Tanner wrote: Here is my biggest complaint with Apple and a majority of software development companies. They are in such a big hurry to get their latest thing out the door before they even have the documentation ready to go. When will the public start telling these folks to get the documentation done before they start selling the product or folks aren't going to buy it until the documentation is available. Why should the end user spend hours trying to figure out how to use the new software when they have no documentation to use to learn it with available. - Original Message - From: Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Launchpad Hi, Yes, escape does indeed dismiss it. Also, give apple some time to publish the getting started guide for Lion with Voiceover, perhaps that will ease some of your concerns. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McEwan Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Launchpad Escape does indeed dismiss LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Hi Daniel, We are actually in the same thread that contained the first two posts on the topic of launch pad, one from Mark Workman and the one that originated the thread from I think Austin? Some of the problems mentioned are: no first letter navigation among apps no way to navigate away from the launch pad except by choosing an app no way to move applications around Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Zack, Hoping you're right! :) My experience with Lion has been shaky enough that I'm skeptical, but I'll contain my skepticism for now. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a different way to access the downloads window? TIA, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Determining how much space is in my hard drive
Dear Courtney, There are several ways to tell this sort of information. The way I usually do it is with the Get Info window, cmd-i. You can select your hard drive or whatever folder you want and it will tell you the size among many other things. How did you do it? Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, In snow leopard, I used to be able to tell how many items were in any given folder in my hard drive, and how much available space was left on my hard drive. How can I get this information back? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion: Worth The Upgrade?
Could someone please help this stupid old dog see the light about quick nab? What's new? What makes it so good now? Can i do more now than i could in SL where i didn't use it at all because i thought it was umm not exactly counterproductive, but… confusing. /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 07:03 skrev Jenny Wood: So far, I don't regret upgrading. I realize I am probably in the minority here, but I actually like the conversation view in mail. :-) It actually speeds up the process of wading through dozens upon dozens of messages. Although, I have done a little tweaking here and there to suit my own preferences. Honestly, I haven't had a chance to bang around on the new OS as much as many others on this list, but I can say with confidence that I absolutely *love* the browsing experience in safari now! Between faster loading of web pages and the ability to more quickly navigate using the special quicknav features, Facebook is no longer the pain in the bum it used to be. grin I also enjoy the ability to configure specific activities for voiceover behavior in my various applications. I can't wait to tinker around more with Lion over the coming days. Oh, one particularly odd behavior, although not a problem per say, when typing a message in Mail, such as this reply, it sounds as if Alex has a cigarette hanging out of his mouth as he speaks. LOL Seems like I notice it more when I am backspacing or when the auto-correct is spelling out it's suggestions. The letter S is most pronounced. LOL Anyway, as a side note, I wold like to say that in spite of the occasional bickering back and forth, I have already found many posts here to be extremely beneficial as I tame the Lion. Thanks to all! -- Jenny Wood Phone:(972) 989-3894 Email:kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: They have simplified the process in Lion. You press VO comma to mar the item then VO period to drop it. The place your item must be visible on the screen though. So you got to make sure its not being blocked by another window for example. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Sonnia wrote: Hmm it does sound like i should upgrade. :) Btw, i've had some trouble learning to drag/drop on a mac, how do i do it? (The question popped in to my head when you mentioned drag/drop.) Brianna Snyder wrote: Yes, it's definitely worth it. Yes, there's a couple little problems, but overall, it's really good. Many bugs are fixed, including the one where system voice would interrupt Voiceover while speaking. The conversations view in Mail is good too, if you follow threads. There are many new voices. Drag and drop works very well, and there's a new way to move files, ass opposed to jut cutting them. The dock is a lot better too. For example, if you have unread messages in Mail, you can do to the dock and see how many there are. These are only just a few of the reasons why I'd think it is worth it to upgrade. Brianna On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Sonnia wrote: Hello all. I know Lion is full of new features and the upgrade price (compared to what i've spent before to upgrade software) is quite inexpensive. But in your opinion, is it worth the upgrade? I ask this because it seems many new features are gesture based. Sighted people can move things around on the screen, play with windows, and do so much with the new gestures in Lion. Is there any real benefit of an upgrade to a blind person? Thanks and take care everyone. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Donna, I'm almost certain I am. The problem I've had is that I've rarely downloaded anything quite large enough to make the window stay around for a long time. Though I think that depending on your settings it might linger longer, if you set it to clear downloads manually for instance. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Zack, Hoping you're right! :) My experience with Lion has been shaky enough that I'm skeptical, but I'll contain my skepticism for now. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a different way to access the downloads window? TIA, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Where is the restore partition?
i know but the menu allowing you to connect wirelessly to the net isn't accessible. On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Randy Stegall wrote: Yes, you can either via ethernet or wifi. Randy Stegall kc4...@aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: question is is there a way to connect to the net when using this partition so you could reinstall if you need to? hope someone can reply on this topic. On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, Yes, it creates the partition when installing from DVD as well, but be warned, installing from DVD takes considerably longer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Shockley Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Where is the restore partition? Hi, do you know if this is the case when installing from a DVD as well? I am thinking of making a DVD for safe keeping once I get Lion put on my other Mac; but before I did that I wanted to get used to Lion first and get everything figured out, which is what I'm doing now. Thanks, Jeffrey On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Oh wow, I forgot about command-r. There is an issue with installing cleanly from that partition, however. If you're connecting to the internet through a Wifi network, the menu to access said network isn't accessible with VoiceOver. Yes, you do need to connect to the internet to install in this way, since the install sends your serial number to apple for validation purposes. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Shockley Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Where is the restore partition? Hi, Just found a way to use this partition. Here it is. All you have to do is when starting the Mac, hold CMD+R until it starts booting. Then, you can turn on VO and you can get to the utilities such as Disk Utility. You can even reinstall Lion this way. HTH, Jeffrey On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, The recovery partition isn't visible to the OS at all, it's only visible when you hold down the option key when you start the computer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georges Zaynoun Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Where is the restore partition? I installed Lion, still have same two partitions I had since I installed windows on bootcamp, I heard people saying Lion will create a restore partition so where is it? -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
dragging mailboxes to the Favorites bar?
Hi all, I've been sitting here trying to drag the mailboxes I want over to the favorites bar with no success. Every time I try, when I interact with the favorites bar, I get a message saying the area I'm trying to drag to is hidden. What does one do to circumvent this? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Determining how much space is in my hard drive
Hi Zach, It was always at the bottom of every finder window I went into. In snow leopard it would say something like 50 items, 68.03 gb available. It was when I didn't interact with the list. Courtney On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear Courtney, There are several ways to tell this sort of information. The way I usually do it is with the Get Info window, cmd-i. You can select your hard drive or whatever folder you want and it will tell you the size among many other things. How did you do it? Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, In snow leopard, I used to be able to tell how many items were in any given folder in my hard drive, and how much available space was left on my hard drive. How can I get this information back? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: single letter navigation
Hi all. When i read this post, i get the feeling we are getting forms mode back again, and i who so wanted to avoid this. It seems, judging by Chriss's description as if this quick nab/single letter navigation feature is quite pointless. Why do i keep hearing a voice in my head saying: Welcome to Jawsover? /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 04:44 skrev Jenny Wood: This is absolutely awesome! Thank you very much for the info! -- Jenny Wood Phone:(972) 989-3894 Email:kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, here's what you do. Firwstly and foremost, bring up Safari. Now, there's a little gotcha to this. Let me see if I can explain this. The problem you're gonna have is Under the voiceover utility, there is a category called commanders. Now, you have a fourth tab under there called quick nav. The problem is If you simply go under here and check the box to enable quick nav, what this does is, it sets things so that quick nav is by default enabled. This would mean it would be as if you had hit the left/right arrows together and turned it on. Now that it's enabled you can also vo+down in this screen and tell it to use single letter navigation. Now this all looks great doesn't it. Well, there's a little catch to this though that most people don't think about. Maybe I'm just too thorough, but I caught this issue pretty well, right away. Here's the thing. If you enable quick nav through here. You're doing it globally. In other words, If you enable quick nav through here, that's gonna turn it on regardless! where in lion you are. this can be incredibly! annoying! There surely are some apps you don't want/need quick nav enabled. Well, so fine, turn it off in those apps. Yeah, you say that... then try going back to Safari, and watch. There goes your quick nav in there, too. Now your letter nav doesn't work anymore. So, what's the sollution? Simple! What I've! done, personally, is I've opened up Safari, then made an Activity and attached it to Safari individually. Then when setting it up, I chose to keep other settings. It's a check box in there. Once I checked that box under the activity category, I hit vo+right arrow, and went over to quick nav and checked the box. Then I hit vo+space on the set quick nav button. Now in here, I told it to use Quick nav, and letter navigation. Then I attached the activity to safari.app. So, now, what happens is, if I am not in Safari, quick nav isn't on. the minute I either launch it, or command tab, or whatever into it, magically, Quick nav now is enabled and my single letters work. One more thing to know. If you have quick nav on in Safari, then as soon as you reach a text box, say like the google search box, or say, a place to enter on a form your name, etc. If you have quick nav on but single letter off, this problem won't exist, same goes if quick nav's off totally. but if quick nav, *and!* single letter are on, as most people would probably want it to be, then, what you're gonna have to do is, you're gonna have to, once vo is focused on the text box, then, vo+shift+down arrow, and interact with the text box. I know, normally, you don't interact with text boxes, but trust me with this. If you don't do that first, then voiceover is going to intercept everything you type as a quick nav command. When done typing, stop interacting with vo+shift+up arrow, then you're on your merry way, and can continue navigating as normal. The final thing is, when quick nav and single letter both are on, if you vo+space, or up+down arrow, either/or, on a popup menu in a web site, be aware that first letter navigation won't work. For this, I suggest once the box is opened and dropped down, hit left+right arrows to turn off quick nav. Hit your first letter navigation or whatever, pick your option with vo+space, then turn quick nav back on with left+right arrows. Again, that's only if you obviously want! to use first letter nav in a popup that may be really big. Otherwise, don't worry about it. Hope this helps. Chris. - Original Message - From: chad baker baker3...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: single letter navigation hi is there a way to do single letter navigation can't find it thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to
Re: single letter navigation
Perhaps you have to consider the fact that others have asked for this. I do not and never have used JAWS; however, I do see the advantage in having the single-letter navigation. You do not have to use this feature. Apple would not implement such things unless there was a really good reason. You have to look at the story from the other end and consider what may be the reasons behind certain features or how they are implemented. Now with that said, I have no feelings either way since I see the value, but yet see how if used it will require one extra step when entering text. On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi all. When i read this post, i get the feeling we are getting forms mode back again, and i who so wanted to avoid this. It seems, judging by Chriss's description as if this quick nab/single letter navigation feature is quite pointless. Why do i keep hearing a voice in my head saying: Welcome to Jawsover? /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 04:44 skrev Jenny Wood: This is absolutely awesome! Thank you very much for the info! -- Jenny Wood Phone: (972) 989-3894 Email: kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, here's what you do. Firwstly and foremost, bring up Safari. Now, there's a little gotcha to this. Let me see if I can explain this. The problem you're gonna have is Under the voiceover utility, there is a category called commanders. Now, you have a fourth tab under there called quick nav. The problem is If you simply go under here and check the box to enable quick nav, what this does is, it sets things so that quick nav is by default enabled. This would mean it would be as if you had hit the left/right arrows together and turned it on. Now that it's enabled you can also vo+down in this screen and tell it to use single letter navigation. Now this all looks great doesn't it. Well, there's a little catch to this though that most people don't think about. Maybe I'm just too thorough, but I caught this issue pretty well, right away. Here's the thing. If you enable quick nav through here. You're doing it globally. In other words, If you enable quick nav through here, that's gonna turn it on regardless! where in lion you are. this can be incredibly! annoying! There surely are some apps you don't want/need quick nav enabled. Well, so fine, turn it off in those apps. Yeah, you say that... then try going back to Safari, and watch. There goes your quick nav in there, too. Now your letter nav doesn't work anymore. So, what's the sollution? Simple! What I've! done, personally, is I've opened up Safari, then made an Activity and attached it to Safari individually. Then when setting it up, I chose to keep other settings. It's a check box in there. Once I checked that box under the activity category, I hit vo+right arrow, and went over to quick nav and checked the box. Then I hit vo+space on the set quick nav button. Now in here, I told it to use Quick nav, and letter navigation. Then I attached the activity to safari.app. So, now, what happens is, if I am not in Safari, quick nav isn't on. the minute I either launch it, or command tab, or whatever into it, magically, Quick nav now is enabled and my single letters work. One more thing to know. If you have quick nav on in Safari, then as soon as you reach a text box, say like the google search box, or say, a place to enter on a form your name, etc. If you have quick nav on but single letter off, this problem won't exist, same goes if quick nav's off totally. but if quick nav, *and!* single letter are on, as most people would probably want it to be, then, what you're gonna have to do is, you're gonna have to, once vo is focused on the text box, then, vo+shift+down arrow, and interact with the text box. I know, normally, you don't interact with text boxes, but trust me with this. If you don't do that first, then voiceover is going to intercept everything you type as a quick nav command. When done typing, stop interacting with vo+shift+up arrow, then you're on your merry way, and can continue navigating as normal. The final thing is, when quick nav and single letter both are on, if you vo+space, or up+down arrow, either/or, on a popup menu in a web site, be aware that first letter navigation won't work. For this, I suggest once the box is opened and dropped down, hit left+right arrows to turn off quick nav. Hit your first letter navigation or whatever, pick your option with vo+space, then turn quick nav back on with left+right arrows. Again, that's only if you obviously want! to use first letter nav in a popup that may be really big. Otherwise, don't worry about it. Hope this helps. Chris. - Original Message - From: chad baker baker3...@gmail.com To:
How do I create a hot spot?
Hi Eric, Thank you so much for your helpful information. Wow hot spots sound really amazing! How do I create one? I have been looking on Google for any sort of documentation, and also in the VO Utility and I can't find anything. Could you tell me how to do this please? THank you for any help you can provide. Sincerely, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Zack, I do have my settings set to clear automatically, (though now that I think about it, I'm not really sure why.) :) So, I guess I'll just wait to see the next time I download something. Thanks again. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, I'm almost certain I am. The problem I've had is that I've rarely downloaded anything quite large enough to make the window stay around for a long time. Though I think that depending on your settings it might linger longer, if you set it to clear downloads manually for instance. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Zack, Hoping you're right! :) My experience with Lion has been shaky enough that I'm skeptical, but I'll contain my skepticism for now. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a different way to access the downloads window? TIA, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse jesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Where is the restore partition?
So, in an attempt to access and install from the recovery partition, using Command R to start the machine, and connecting to the net via Ethernet,, I came up with the voice of Fred, after clicking continue, the prompt, Signing into the App Store. Then, absolutely nothing after that, just hangs on that screen. Is this also not accessible even using Ethernet to connect? Thanks. On 7/22/11, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: i know but the menu allowing you to connect wirelessly to the net isn't accessible. On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Randy Stegall wrote: Yes, you can either via ethernet or wifi. Randy Stegall kc4...@aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: question is is there a way to connect to the net when using this partition so you could reinstall if you need to? hope someone can reply on this topic. On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, Yes, it creates the partition when installing from DVD as well, but be warned, installing from DVD takes considerably longer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Shockley Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Where is the restore partition? Hi, do you know if this is the case when installing from a DVD as well? I am thinking of making a DVD for safe keeping once I get Lion put on my other Mac; but before I did that I wanted to get used to Lion first and get everything figured out, which is what I'm doing now. Thanks, Jeffrey On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Oh wow, I forgot about command-r. There is an issue with installing cleanly from that partition, however. If you're connecting to the internet through a Wifi network, the menu to access said network isn't accessible with VoiceOver. Yes, you do need to connect to the internet to install in this way, since the install sends your serial number to apple for validation purposes. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Shockley Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Where is the restore partition? Hi, Just found a way to use this partition. Here it is. All you have to do is when starting the Mac, hold CMD+R until it starts booting. Then, you can turn on VO and you can get to the utilities such as Disk Utility. You can even reinstall Lion this way. HTH, Jeffrey On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, The recovery partition isn't visible to the OS at all, it's only visible when you hold down the option key when you start the computer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georges Zaynoun Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Where is the restore partition? I installed Lion, still have same two partitions I had since I installed windows on bootcamp, I heard people saying Lion will create a restore partition so where is it? -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you
Re: garage band on lion
Haven't tried GB yet, but am dying to later today! Chris. - Original Message - From: chad baker baker3...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:03 AM Subject: garage band on lion hi has anyone messed with gb yet on lion also the drag and drop is possible for us to drag a sample on the keyboard guessing not its visual maybe ricardo can chimne in lastly what's the groove time i searched for it in help it says you can set the your track to be the groove track thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Yup. Chris. - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:56 AM Subject: Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities Hi, Does this mean that one can have 10 hot spots per application now? Les On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Yep, activities is really good. If you want everything to work by gestures, add them to your hotspots and swipe around to get where you want. However, tabbing and untabbing is faster with mail. I've set up quite a few hotspots with garage band and now its such a pleasure to use it. Done the same with a stock monitoring app, Skype, a standalone drum kit, and numbers. Very useful On 22/07/2011, at 5:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues
I've tried to do three things here to perform a drag and drop in Launchpad. 1. Do what you do in IOS which is to hold a finger on an icon until the moving sound is heard then start dragging the app to the new location. This does not work. No moving sound is heard when you try the IOS method. 2. Use the Command-comma and Comma-period method. VoiceOver thinks I am dragging the contents of the window under LaunchPad. In this case it was message content in Mail. I located the app I wanted to move and then pressed command-comma to mark it. Vo gives me Message content marked for drag and drop. I then use the VO-arrow keys to move the VO cursor to the new location and pressed command-period to drop the app. The problem was that VoiceOver was trying to deal with the content in the application under the LaunchPad window. 3. I moved to the app I wanted to drag using the VO navigation commands and locked the mouse down with the VO-command-shift-space command and moved it to the new location using the keyboard method. The dragging sound was heard while moving but the app did not get dropped in the new location when the mouse lock was released. Doug On 2011-07-22, at 9:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Strange, i didn't have a problem dragging an app on top of another app in Launchpad. I managed to create a folder, the problem came after that, when i couldn't open the folder. I'll look into this again today, i'm sure there's a way to do it. I don't experience any sluggishness with mail, but then i have an iMac with Core7 processor and 8 Gb memory. Not saying you are wrong, just that i have experienced a different thing than you. /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 23:01 skrev Zachary Kline: Dear MacVisionaries, I've just sent the following letter to Apple Accessibility. I hope it provides a decent summation of some of the issues we've been experiencing with the new OS, and that it will give them a better idea of what sorts of things should be looked into when they upgrade the product. I'll be sure to forward any response I receive. Best, Zack. Begin forwarded message: From: Zachary Kline kli...@onid.orst.edu Subject: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues Date: July 21, 2011 1:58:13 PM PDT To: Apple Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Dear Apple Accessibility, I have recently upgraded my mid 2010 macbook pro to Lion, and have for the most part been quite pleased with its performance. However, there are a few troubling developments which degrade the overall quality of the experience. THe Launchpad and Mission Control features seem mostly accessible, but there are some omissions which render them less useful than they could be. There seems no way to move applications into folders, or indeed at all, using VoiceOver. Drag and drop does not do the expected thing. Mission Control is somewhat better, but Spaces seem impractical because there is neither any way to delete them nor to move between apps in a single space. Safari and Mail also present accessibility problems. Safari's new downloads popup is not ideal accessibility-wise, and while it works after a fashion the old downloads window was preferable. Similarly, Mail seems sluggish, often reporting that it is busy, especially in the new layout. Drag and drop is inconsistent here as well: the Favorites bar can be added to with the new shortcuts, but Voiceover refuses to drag items which have a press action, thus requiring the old mouse toggling shortcut to remove them. These are a representative sampling of the various issues I've encountered in using Lion with VoiceOver. I hope that at least some of these may be fixed in the near future, as this would greatly improve the usability of the system. Yours sincerely, Zack Kline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: single letter navigation
I listened to a helpful demonstration that Ron sent us where entering information into a form was demonstrated. QuickNav had to be turned off with a keystroke, and then one could enter in the info. That makes sense because if you did not deactivate QuickNav, certain letters would be interpreted as moving to different parts of the web page. Les On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi all. When i read this post, i get the feeling we are getting forms mode back again, and i who so wanted to avoid this. It seems, judging by Chriss's description as if this quick nab/single letter navigation feature is quite pointless. Why do i keep hearing a voice in my head saying: Welcome to Jawsover? /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 04:44 skrev Jenny Wood: This is absolutely awesome! Thank you very much for the info! -- Jenny Wood Phone: (972) 989-3894 Email: kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, here's what you do. Firwstly and foremost, bring up Safari. Now, there's a little gotcha to this. Let me see if I can explain this. The problem you're gonna have is Under the voiceover utility, there is a category called commanders. Now, you have a fourth tab under there called quick nav. The problem is If you simply go under here and check the box to enable quick nav, what this does is, it sets things so that quick nav is by default enabled. This would mean it would be as if you had hit the left/right arrows together and turned it on. Now that it's enabled you can also vo+down in this screen and tell it to use single letter navigation. Now this all looks great doesn't it. Well, there's a little catch to this though that most people don't think about. Maybe I'm just too thorough, but I caught this issue pretty well, right away. Here's the thing. If you enable quick nav through here. You're doing it globally. In other words, If you enable quick nav through here, that's gonna turn it on regardless! where in lion you are. this can be incredibly! annoying! There surely are some apps you don't want/need quick nav enabled. Well, so fine, turn it off in those apps. Yeah, you say that... then try going back to Safari, and watch. There goes your quick nav in there, too. Now your letter nav doesn't work anymore. So, what's the sollution? Simple! What I've! done, personally, is I've opened up Safari, then made an Activity and attached it to Safari individually. Then when setting it up, I chose to keep other settings. It's a check box in there. Once I checked that box under the activity category, I hit vo+right arrow, and went over to quick nav and checked the box. Then I hit vo+space on the set quick nav button. Now in here, I told it to use Quick nav, and letter navigation. Then I attached the activity to safari.app. So, now, what happens is, if I am not in Safari, quick nav isn't on. the minute I either launch it, or command tab, or whatever into it, magically, Quick nav now is enabled and my single letters work. One more thing to know. If you have quick nav on in Safari, then as soon as you reach a text box, say like the google search box, or say, a place to enter on a form your name, etc. If you have quick nav on but single letter off, this problem won't exist, same goes if quick nav's off totally. but if quick nav, *and!* single letter are on, as most people would probably want it to be, then, what you're gonna have to do is, you're gonna have to, once vo is focused on the text box, then, vo+shift+down arrow, and interact with the text box. I know, normally, you don't interact with text boxes, but trust me with this. If you don't do that first, then voiceover is going to intercept everything you type as a quick nav command. When done typing, stop interacting with vo+shift+up arrow, then you're on your merry way, and can continue navigating as normal. The final thing is, when quick nav and single letter both are on, if you vo+space, or up+down arrow, either/or, on a popup menu in a web site, be aware that first letter navigation won't work. For this, I suggest once the box is opened and dropped down, hit left+right arrows to turn off quick nav. Hit your first letter navigation or whatever, pick your option with vo+space, then turn quick nav back on with left+right arrows. Again, that's only if you obviously want! to use first letter nav in a popup that may be really big. Otherwise, don't worry about it. Hope this helps. Chris. - Original Message - From: chad baker baker3...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: single letter navigation hi is there a way to do single letter navigation can't find it thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: Launchpad
Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that one out. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set up a gesture to do it. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse jesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Launchpad
Hi Donna, The simple explanation is that Voiceover's trackpad gestures are quite independent of the things sighted people do with the trackpad. We had them long before a lot of sighted people did. VoiceOver completely takes over the pad for its own use when you turn on Trackpad Commander. Hope this helps, Zack On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that one out. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set up a gesture to do it. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse gesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Launchpad
Let's be very clear here. I am not speaking of turning off the trackpad but rather the VO trackpad commander. The three finger piinch with thumb is not a VO command but an OS one. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that one out. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set up a gesture to do it. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse jesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
How to delete spaces in Mission control?
Hello, I created some new spaces in Mission Control but I don't know how can I delete them using VoiceOver. thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
Got it, Ron. Thanks. Donna Donna Goodin, M.A., Ph.D. Dissertation and Career Coach Phone: 734-506-8579 Email: do...@yourdonedissertation.com do...@idealpathcoaching.com Web: httP://www.yourdonedissertation.com http://www.idealpathcoaching.com On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Let's be very clear here. I am not speaking of turning off the trackpad but rather the VO trackpad commander. The three finger piinch with thumb is not a VO command but an OS one. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that one out. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set up a gesture to do it. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse jesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: How to delete spaces in Mission control?
Hi Jonathan, I don't believe you can as of yet. I've emailed Apple Accessibility about this. Sorry, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: Hello, I created some new spaces in Mission Control but I don't know how can I delete them using VoiceOver. thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
It does, Zack, thanks. Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, The simple explanation is that Voiceover's trackpad gestures are quite independent of the things sighted people do with the trackpad. We had them long before a lot of sighted people did. VoiceOver completely takes over the pad for its own use when you turn on Trackpad Commander. Hope this helps, Zack On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that one out. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set up a gesture to do it. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's not working over here, either. Best, Donna On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I was under the impression that there was a mouse gesture while track pad commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. does anyone remember? Chris. - Original Message - From: Austin Seraphin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Launchpad I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch applications. - Austin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a grid view. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
How to sort apps in launchpad?
Hello everybody, I find 3 pages in Launchpad and I want to customize Launchpad. I tryed new dragAndDrop functions of VoiceOver but I can't change the position of application icons and I can't move an application icon from page 3 to 1 in Launchpad. How can I do these actions? Thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to sort apps in launchpad?
Hi Jonathan, Once again, I'm afraid this is problematic as of now. While you can, apparently, sort apps into folders via drag and drop,, accessing those folders seems difficult at best. Apple has been informed Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: Hello everybody, I find 3 pages in Launchpad and I want to customize Launchpad. I tried new dragAndDrop functions of VoiceOver but I can't change the position of application icons and I can't move an application icon from page 3 to 1 in Launchpad. How can I do these actions? Thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A few New user questions
hi al, I've been considering the switch to mac for a while and got my hands on one from a friend. i have a few questions though: 1: on the web, is there a way to, as jfw does, skip past repeated text on new web pages For example, if I'm on a forum and click next message, next message, next message, jaws will immediately jump past the stuff at the top, which hasn't changed and put me right at the new content. It does this on most pages I use, is this possible automatically on the mac? I would prefer not to create a hotspot on every page I visit to do this. 2: I am having problems with certain pages such as skype.com after clicking get skype, it comes up with the tipical page about video calling, blah blah blah on skype for mac, but there is no download link/button anywhere and the page is really slow and sluggish. What's going on here? thanks a lot for help, MJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Hi, are you likely to get the same results from the below info if you right click this new image and click the burn button? On 2011-07-22, at 10:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mac mini
Hi, I now have a mac mini, problem though is it acts sluggish if I have the adapter plugged in with out a monitor. Is there a fix? Could it be that I am using a generic display port to VGA and not apples? Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Updating Software
Hi, Everything should be fine other than itunes. There is a problem with slegushness in 10.4, but safarry 5.1 should work fine along with everything else. Matthew On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Jane wrote: Software Updates popped up wanting me to install new software. It wants me to update iTunes and safari, maybe something else I have forgotten. I told it not to update for now. I am still running Snow Leopard on this Mac Mini, and I will likely continue doing so unless I somehow get a new processor thingy. Should I bother updating he software? Jane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Thing is, how do you burn the file to a DVD within disk Utilities? Can one not just focus on the file and open the shortcut menu and click burn from there? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hi Justin, What specifically were the problems you're having with Safari? Later… On 2011-07-22, at 2:07 AM, Justin Ekis wrote: Austin, Thank you a million times. This is wonderful. This set of hotspots aught to come included with Voiceover. I can't believe I didn't think of that. As soon as I return to Lion this will be the first thing I set up. I have restored my system from my backup drive and am now on Snow leopard. I want to install the Safari 5.1 update for Snow Leopard to see if the annoying issues I am having are due to the new version of safari or something else in Lion. I'm probably staying with SL until this gets fixed in some way. The other little quirks I can live with but safari was killing me. Thanks again for the idea, I am saving this message in a folder of Lion tips. Justin On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: Activities have some great potential. You can make any VoiceOver settings application specific. For example, I created a new activity called Mail,. I enabled hot spots, and checked Mail in the applications. I then quit the VO utility and went to Mail. This uses the new mail view in Lion, but you can do the same for the old. I went to the mailboxes table but did not interact with it, and hit Vo-shift-1 to set a hot spot there. I then went to the message column and interacted. I went over to the messages table and without interacting, hit Vo-shift-2 to set a second hot spot. I then went over to the message content and did the same with Vo-shift-3. Now I have three hot spots specific to mail that take me to three common areas in the main window accessible with vo-1, vo-2, and vo-3. Nice and simple. It always confused me before that you could only have ten hot spots for the whole system, and I didn't use them much. Now activities allow for much greater fine-tuning of the VoiceOver experience. I have a feeling some shortcuts already exist to do these things, but if nothing else it demonstrates a new and powerful way to use hot spots and activities to make the new mail program a little easier. I wonder if APple will begin making application specific activities of their own in the future which come with VoiceOver. They enrich the experience. - Austin PS: I also made a Terminal activity without quick nav, to allow full use of the arrows. I also set the punctuation level to most, perfect for picking out Unix weirdness. WOnderful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Is there a way to mark hot spots that doesn't make you cross your hands over each other to hit the keystrokes VO 1 and VO shift 1, for example, require me, at least, to cross my right hand over my left to hit the numbers with. Just curious if, other than locking down the VO keys with VO semicolon--something I rarely do--there's an ergonomically more efficient way. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Hi, You have to use the burn button in the toolbar. Hope this helps! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?! Thing is, how do you burn the file to a DVD within disk Utilities? Can one not just focus on the file and open the shortcut menu and click burn from there? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: helpful VO MP3 files
Hi Ron, Thanks for making these files available to us. The demos provide an excellent glimpse into the benefits and capabilities of Lion, particularly as we do not have a manual to reference yet. Great stuff! Les On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Please find attached documentation pointing to some useful tips for using VO with lion. In the Journey, Ron LionDemoFiles.rtf-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
one more thing broken in mail?
Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac mini
Not that I know of. I don't think anyones ever sure why it happens, but yeah. DVI or VGA should work fine. I know VGA does for a fact, because I'm boring and I'm not gonna change until I have to. You'll just have to have the screen plugged in. However, if anyone finds a work around, then please by all means do so. On 7/23/11, james walton jmwalto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I now have a mac mini, problem though is it acts sluggish if I have the adapter plugged in with out a monitor. Is there a fix? Could it be that I am using a generic display port to VGA and not apples? Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hello Mark, Have you thought of creating shortcuts in Keyboard commander for a couple of hotspots? That should make it easier for you. Cheers, Anne On 22 Jul 2011, at 17:09, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Is there a way to mark hot spots that doesn't make you cross your hands over each other to hit the keystrokes VO 1 and VO shift 1, for example, require me, at least, to cross my right hand over my left to hit the numbers with. Just curious if, other than locking down the VO keys with VO semicolon--something I rarely do--there's an ergonomically more efficient way. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
Hi Zack, thanks, you nailed it. Not sure how I did that, but yes, somehow it got set to full screen. All working well now that I've exited full-screen. Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
petential mac user switching from jaws with boring first questions
Hi all, I am thinking of taking the plunge and buying a Mac. Since funds are a bit of an issue I was wondering what model to go for. Is the Mac mini usable without a screen? It would save space for me if it did since I am totally blind. Just saw a post about it acting sluggish if without a screen but I might have misunderstood. Also if my sighted husband wanted to check something out, could he monitor it from his iphone? Are all macs equal in terms of accessibility? Lastly could you please direct me to helpful articles about switching over to the Mac for blind users? Thanks for your patience and your support for a toddler in the Mac world. regards, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hi Mark and Anne: Could he use them in rears order, starting with 0 or 9 so they wouldn't require a hand cross for the first 5? On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Mark, Have you thought of creating shortcuts in Keyboard commander for a couple of hotspots? That should make it easier for you. Cheers, Anne On 22 Jul 2011, at 17:09, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Is there a way to mark hot spots that doesn't make you cross your hands over each other to hit the keystrokes VO 1 and VO shift 1, for example, require me, at least, to cross my right hand over my left to hit the numbers with. Just curious if, other than locking down the VO keys with VO semicolon--something I rarely do--there's an ergonomically more efficient way. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Yes, this was the idea that I came up with and will use. Honestly, I never used hot spots in SL, and don't understand the concept as it applies to what I do or how it would make it easier; something else to look into when I finally get Lion. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Solution to xCode 4.1 won't install on Lion.
Daniel, Thanks for the suggestion. Before reading your post I received an off-list note advising that I go into terminal and enter: killall AlertAll and the install appeared to have completed successfully. Hopefully that iTunesHelper app won't come back to haunt me later. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Daniel Miller To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: RE: xCode 4.1 won't install on Lion. Hi, You need to go into activity Monitor and quit iTunes Helper. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:56 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: xCode 4.1 won't install on Lion. Greetings, I installed Lion from DVD and completely erased my HD in the process. I then acquired xCode 4.1 from the Mac app store. During installation I received a message admonishing me to quit iTunes in order to continue the installation. I have a modicum of trouble following this directive because iTunes is not running; I didn't start it, nor can I find any instance of it when I cycle through open apps via command-tab. The install appears to hang at 79%. I restarted and unchecked the restore box, killed off the developer folder and tried again and experienced the identical scenario. I tried starting and quitting iTunes and turning off voiceOver to no avail. Some cursory Googling uncovered a recent bug where the in xCode installation would hang at 999% even though the product was installed. This did not seem applicable because I found no mention of the iTunes dialog, and this was purportedly addressed. As I know that Nick S and others are running xCode on Lion I assume there's a work-around I've not discovered? TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How do I create a hot spot?
Hi Allison! So since the last suggestion I've seen that people can do a lot more with hotspots in Lion! So if you've changed to lion look for posts about activity's! So to set a hot spot just press vo+shift +any of the numbers and vo will say [saved as hotspot , 2, 3, 4, and so on] That pod cast on blind cool tech will show you! hth Colin On 22 Jul 2011, at 14:27, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Eric, Thank you so much for your helpful information. Wow hot spots sound really amazing! How do I create one? I have been looking on Google for any sort of documentation, and also in the VO Utility and I can't find anything. Could you tell me how to do this please? THank you for any help you can provide. Sincerely, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Mail Easier with Activities
Hello Carolyn, You can use hotspots in any order you like. It's funny, I'm so used to crossing my hands for all kinds of commands that I never thought of starting with hotspot 0. Cheers, Anne On 22 Jul 2011, at 18:34, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Mark and Anne: Could he use them in rears order, starting with 0 or 9 so they wouldn't require a hand cross for the first 5? On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Mark, Have you thought of creating shortcuts in Keyboard commander for a couple of hotspots? That should make it easier for you. Cheers, Anne On 22 Jul 2011, at 17:09, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Is there a way to mark hot spots that doesn't make you cross your hands over each other to hit the keystrokes VO 1 and VO shift 1, for example, require me, at least, to cross my right hand over my left to hit the numbers with. Just curious if, other than locking down the VO keys with VO semicolon--something I rarely do--there's an ergonomically more efficient way. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
that's what I ended up doing. Disc utility was really confusing me, so I asked myself that very same question; it seemed to me as though the process was being made more difficult than necessary. So, I coppied the .dmg file to a flash drive and then selected it and burned it from the applications menu. I'm assuming it worked as expected, but haven't had an opportunity to test it. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?! Thing is, how do you burn the file to a DVD within disk Utilities? Can one not just focus on the file and open the shortcut menu and click burn from there? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Determining how much space is in my hard drive
Hello Courtney and Zach, It seems Apple turned off this feature by default in Lion, but you can quickly get it back by either pressing Command+/ or by navigating to the Finder's View menu and selecting Show Status Bar. One other tip regarding a way to quickly get size and file info about a folder: when you're on a folder or a drive you can press the Space Bar. That will open Quicklook and announce the size with a few other bits of information. Simply press the Escape key to exit the Quicklook window. HTH, Bryan On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: It was always at the bottom of every finder window I went into. In snow leopard it would say something like 50 items, 68.03 gb available. It was when I didn't interact with the list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problem with installing WE under fusion.
This is late, but are you guys using the disk, or are you doing it from the web site? Better to use the disk. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:24 AM, chad baker wrote: hi i had the same problem bring up narrator if not grab nvda i don't like 7.5 that's only problem i had with it wish i had money for jaws but don't have that kind of cash hth On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: I'm installing window-eyes 7.5 under windows 7 pro 32 bit under fusion. I'm trying to install using speech. After the install starts, I get an error with getsapi.exe. I can't continue the install. Any ideas? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
battery life under lion
Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. ShadesOfBlue.jpg
RE: battery life under lion
Hi Missy, I haven't experienced that significant of a battery drainage yet, but there is a difference. Also, I wouldn't advise downgrading to LS just on that issue alone, give apple time to work out the various kinks. Your mac may have been doing others things using Wifi without you knowing, especially since you had twitter running, etc. The amount of battery life you actually get and what the OS says you're going to get is almost always wrong, keep that in mind as well. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life under lion Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. image001.jpg
Re: Lion: Worth The Upgrade?
Hi Krister, I'm sure I won't do your question justice here, as I am still fairly new to quicknav myself. Perhaps someone else can help fill in the gaps as needed. Actually, I didn't use quicknav very much in SL either, because I also found it a little confusing. However, I like it so much now that I have created an activity to automatically enable quicknav upon launching Safari, per instructions posted on this list. Okay, so the benefit in my particular case, is the single letter navigation. Say for instance, I am on Facebook's website, which is where I absolutely love this feature. With quicknav enabled, I can simply hit the letter h for headers, and I am then directed to the first heading on the page. From this point on, I can merely use the down-arrow or the letter h to progress heading by heading throughout the page. The same could be done with links, tables, form controls, etc. On the FB website, navigating heading by heading makes it ridiculously easy to move from one person's status to the next. It's quite slick. Anything that makes FB's website more user-friendly is aces in my book. ;-) It works very well on the few other web pages I have tried as well. It does take a bit of playing with to get the hang of things, as does anything new, but I say it's well worth it. I am only guessing here, but perhaps the quicknav in SL allowed you to navigate through links, form controls, headers, etc. using the up and down arrows, depending on what you currently had selected in the web rotor -- Jenny Wood Phone: (972) 989-3894 Email: kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Could someone please help this stupid old dog see the light about quick nab? What's new? What makes it so good now? Can i do more now than i could in SL where i didn't use it at all because i thought it was umm not exactly counterproductive, but… confusing. /Krister 22 jul 2011 kl. 07:03 skrev Jenny Wood: So far, I don't regret upgrading. I realize I am probably in the minority here, but I actually like the conversation view in mail. :-) It actually speeds up the process of wading through dozens upon dozens of messages. Although, I have done a little tweaking here and there to suit my own preferences. Honestly, I haven't had a chance to bang around on the new OS as much as many others on this list, but I can say with confidence that I absolutely *love* the browsing experience in safari now! Between faster loading of web pages and the ability to more quickly navigate using the special quicknav features, Facebook is no longer the pain in the bum it used to be. grin I also enjoy the ability to configure specific activities for voiceover behavior in my various applications. I can't wait to tinker around more with Lion over the coming days. Oh, one particularly odd behavior, although not a problem per say, when typing a message in Mail, such as this reply, it sounds as if Alex has a cigarette hanging out of his mouth as he speaks. LOL Seems like I notice it more when I am backspacing or when the auto-correct is spelling out it's suggestions. The letter S is most pronounced. LOL Anyway, as a side note, I wold like to say that in spite of the occasional bickering back and forth, I have already found many posts here to be extremely beneficial as I tame the Lion. Thanks to all! -- Jenny Wood Phone: (972) 989-3894 Email: kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: They have simplified the process in Lion. You press VO comma to mar the item then VO period to drop it. The place your item must be visible on the screen though. So you got to make sure its not being blocked by another window for example. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Sonnia wrote: Hmm it does sound like i should upgrade. :) Btw, i've had some trouble learning to drag/drop on a mac, how do i do it? (The question popped in to my head when you mentioned drag/drop.) Brianna Snyder wrote: Yes, it's definitely worth it. Yes, there's a couple little problems, but overall, it's really good. Many bugs are fixed, including the one where system voice would interrupt Voiceover while speaking. The conversations view in Mail is good too, if you follow threads. There are many new voices. Drag and drop works very well, and there's a new way to move files, ass opposed to jut cutting them. The dock is a lot better too. For example, if you have unread messages in Mail, you can do to the dock and see how many there are. These are only just a few of the reasons why I'd think it is worth it to upgrade. Brianna On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Sonnia wrote: Hello all. I know Lion is full of new features and the upgrade price
Re: battery life under lion
I haven't used it that much off of ac, so can't say too much, but I don't think I noticed anything out of the ordinary. Is spotlight still indexing your files perhaps? This would probably cause major battery drain. Do a command spacebar and then vo down arrow to see if it says anything about not showing all results becasue it is indexing. You'll have to vo-down arrow a few times to find how long it has left to index. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: ** Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. ShadesOfBlue.jpg
RE: battery life under lion
I understand, but for battery life to be cut nearly in half just isn't acceptible. I can't blame wifi; used it on battery in the exact same manner under snow leopard, and like I said, I always got 8 hours, if not a little more. Still, I'm not going to downgrade just yet. I don't know how, and since I typically prefer to keep mac plugged in anyway, I guess it isn't a huge crisis yet. I will be travelling in a couple of weeks, though, so was hoping to keep the mac portible during my trip. I guess I'll have to pack the ac adapter now, just in case. Thanks for your response, though. I really do appreciate it. I wonder why you're not running into this particular issue, though. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: battery life under lion Hi Missy, I haven’t experienced that significant of a battery drainage yet, but there is a difference. Also, I wouldn’t advise downgrading to LS just on that issue alone, give apple time to work out the various kinks. Your mac may have been doing others things using Wifi without you knowing, especially since you had twitter running, etc. The amount of battery life you actually get and what the OS says you’re going to get is almost always wrong, keep that in mind as well. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life under lion Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. image001.jpg
RE: battery life under lion
nope, it's definitely not indexing any more. I checked that yesterday when I was trying to solve that apple.com.doc.extra mystery; that's still showing up too by the way. I only have about 20 GB of stuff on my hard drive anyway, so at least in theory, it should have finished indexing that on Wednesday when I first got lion. Someone else has confirmed the problem, though, so I'm almost definite it's not just my macbook exhibiting this behavior. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Westbrook Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: battery life under lion I haven't used it that much off of ac, so can't say too much, but I don't think I noticed anything out of the ordinary. Is spotlight still indexing your files perhaps? This would probably cause major battery drain. Do a command spacebar and then vo down arrow to see if it says anything about not showing all results becasue it is indexing. You'll have to vo-down arrow a few times to find how long it has left to index. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
I did not use the Burn option in the shortcut menu. I just followed the steps from an article from a website. I assume since they said to use Disc Utility, the burn option probably does something else. Actually, now that I think about it, I think the burn option in the shortcut menu simply takes what you have and put it on a DVD disc, retaining the structure and filename. This is different than burning a disc image, which is what you need to do. The difference is that if you use the Burn option in the shortcut menu, the dvd will have only 1 file name InstallESD.dmg. But if you use Disc Utility and use the Burn feature, it will see that InstallESD.dmg is an image file, and will burn the files within that image file to a disc. So that when it is done, and you open the DVD, you will see files like InstallMacLion.app and other files. Disc Utility is not that confusing. Once you open it, navigate to the table of discs. Highlight your DVD burner. Next, go to the toolbar, and click on the Burn button. It will prompt you for the image file. Point to it, and then click Burn. Simple as that. On 7/22/11, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: that's what I ended up doing. Disc utility was really confusing me, so I asked myself that very same question; it seemed to me as though the process was being made more difficult than necessary. So, I coppied the .dmg file to a flash drive and then selected it and burned it from the applications menu. I'm assuming it worked as expected, but haven't had an opportunity to test it. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?! Thing is, how do you burn the file to a DVD within disk Utilities? Can one not just focus on the file and open the shortcut menu and click burn from there? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Shen
RE: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!
Ah. Thank you for the instructions. It makes sense that the burn method might be different; I didn't think of that when I gave up on trying to figure out disc utility. Good thing I still have the .dmg on a flash drive as well as a DVD. I'll try to find another blank disc and burn it the right way. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?! I did not use the Burn option in the shortcut menu. I just followed the steps from an article from a website. I assume since they said to use Disc Utility, the burn option probably does something else. Actually, now that I think about it, I think the burn option in the shortcut menu simply takes what you have and put it on a DVD disc, retaining the structure and filename. This is different than burning a disc image, which is what you need to do. The difference is that if you use the Burn option in the shortcut menu, the dvd will have only 1 file name InstallESD.dmg. But if you use Disc Utility and use the Burn feature, it will see that InstallESD.dmg is an image file, and will burn the files within that image file to a disc. So that when it is done, and you open the DVD, you will see files like InstallMacLion.app and other files. Disc Utility is not that confusing. Once you open it, navigate to the table of discs. Highlight your DVD burner. Next, go to the toolbar, and click on the Burn button. It will prompt you for the image file. Point to it, and then click Burn. Simple as that. On 7/22/11, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: that's what I ended up doing. Disc utility was really confusing me, so I asked myself that very same question; it seemed to me as though the process was being made more difficult than necessary. So, I coppied the .dmg file to a flash drive and then selected it and burned it from the applications menu. I'm assuming it worked as expected, but haven't had an opportunity to test it. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?! Thing is, how do you burn the file to a DVD within disk Utilities? Can one not just focus on the file and open the shortcut menu and click burn from there? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Shen wrote: Teresa, Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did. 1. You were right about finding the InstallMacLion.app open the shortcut menu and click show package content. 2. Find the folder called Shared Resources. 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg. 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop. 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to a dvd. Enjoy On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done. I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used the contextual menu to find the show contents option, and did not find a dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc and it did that. I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I tried it again with the same result. I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc. What now? TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: updates for Itunes and Iwork
What I discovered is that you have to hold down the VO keys now as you scroll with the arrow keys in any playlist. I'm having to do this in Mail even as I'm scrolling through the messages or I get a lot of stuff read to me that I don't want to hear and have never heard bbefore. If I hold the VO keys down I just hear what I want to while scrolling. On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, I have over 15,500 songs in iTunes and I'm not a happy camper. lol Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Dono about IWorks, but man they really! broke the list view for larger libraries in ITunes. See my previous post for more detail. Chris. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: updates for Itunes and Iwork In all the Lion excitement, people may have missed the updates to ITunes and IWork that came out today. Both applications can now be run full screen if you have Lion. No clue what bugs might have been fixed. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Restoring an iTunes library in Lion and Itunes 10.4?
Greetings y'all, While using SnowLeopard, I backed up my iTunes library to an external drive and installed Lion via a DVD (HD was completely erased). Upon launching iTunes, it did not prompt for a library. I attempted to copy my backed up folder into /users/userName/music/iTunes/iTunes Media, but receive a message indicating that I do not have access to the hard drive and if I proceed the data won't be visible.(???) I went into disk utility and repaired my permissions but that did not vary the result. I was able to successfully copy my library into .../music. Under iTunes advanced preferences I set the folder to .../music/BackedUpFolder but my content is not visible. I only have the getting started videos and options to search for or purchase music. I could search my external drive, but that would not restore my iPhone content? I seem to recall being able to restore a library from Windows to SnowLeopard this way using an earlier version of iTunes, so perhaps I'm over looking a step? Also strange that I don't have permission to access that folder despite having administrative privileges and the fact that parental controls are disabled? TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life under lion
Hi Missy, I'm afraid that I can't confirm this issue either. I have a macbook pro, so perhaps that has a longer battery life. I've ran this on battery several times since upgrading and had no issues to speak of. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post about here. I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do need to travel. Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, that's for sure! Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Hi listers: I have a related question: I believe this may have been discussed, but I'm finally getting fluent enough with the Braillino to pair with things. I've found it doesn't work nearly as well with iPad as with iPhone. And this makes no sense since it's the same OS. With the iPhone, I can input grade 2 braille, but this sends my iPad into terrible fits.:) Has anon had experience with this? Any hope in sight of grade 2 and iPad? Thanks for any input (any grade will due.:)Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
