Re: Very very! in depth walkthrough of One Password with Voiceover

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yes, this is why I really like these guys. In all the time I’ve been with them, 
which is a few years now, they’ve been great at responding and been very 
interested in solving issues.

Nicolai
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm actually d emming on Twitter with the author right now as we write, go 
> figure.
> 
> He wants me to have all you all having issues to send your suggestions and 
> feedback to:
> 
> support...@agilebits.com
> 
> I'm also gonna do the same.  This guy apparently said that he absolutely is 
> committed to fixing whatever Voiceover issues we're all having, so this is 
> absolutely wonderful!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Nicolai Svendsen" <chojiro1...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Very very! in depth walkthrough of One Password with Voiceover
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I already reported the issue with the typing, which I only personally 
> encountered recently. Hopefully they’ll address that.
> 
> With pins, concealed values are not always concealed to VoiceOVer either, 
> which I have also just reported. I haven’t experienced that with other types 
> of passwords.
> 
> Pins unfortunately still read backwards, yes, but also reported that. It’s 
> all you can do, and then hope it gets fixed.
> 
> I use it for a lot of other storage as well, but primarily I just use it for 
> passport information and secure notes. I’ve never bothered getting the hang 
> of Notes in OS X and iOS, simply because in 1Password I already have 
> organized everything the way I want it.
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, yes.  This is all good.
>> 
>> Couple more observations:
>> 
>> 1.  Quit 1Password to get the use of proper text editing back in other apps. 
>>  Restarting VoiceOver isn’t sufficient.  You’ll know when this happens 
>> because QuickNav won’t work, and moving by line will only announce the first 
>> word.
>> 
>> 2.  This still doesn’t address other secrets, like credit card PINs. Those 
>> continue to read backwards.  Same tricks apply, though; once you know the 
>> field has focus, press right to get to the end, backspace to zap, type, and 
>> the field will be present but shown backwards.
>> 
>> I still intend to use 1Password essentially for autocompletion.  It has the 
>> ability to store a lot of different types of data, but I’m not interested in 
>> that; for me, it’s just about remembering the passwords, and it also has my 
>> identity and credit card for autocompleting those fields.
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Re: Very very! in depth walkthrough of One Password with Voiceover

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I already reported the issue with the typing, which I only personally 
encountered recently. Hopefully they’ll address that.

With pins, concealed values are not always concealed to VoiceOVer either, which 
I have also just reported. I haven’t experienced that with other types of 
passwords.

Pins unfortunately still read backwards, yes, but also reported that. It’s all 
you can do, and then hope it gets fixed.

I use it for a lot of other storage as well, but primarily I just use it for 
passport information and secure notes. I’ve never bothered getting the hang of 
Notes in OS X and iOS, simply because in 1Password I already have organized 
everything the way I want it.

Nicolai
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> OK, yes.  This is all good.
> 
> Couple more observations:
> 
> 1.  Quit 1Password to get the use of proper text editing back in other apps.  
> Restarting VoiceOver isn’t sufficient.  You’ll know when this happens because 
> QuickNav won’t work, and moving by line will only announce the first word.
> 
> 2.  This still doesn’t address other secrets, like credit card PINs.  Those 
> continue to read backwards.  Same tricks apply, though; once you know the 
> field has focus, press right to get to the end, backspace to zap, type, and 
> the field will be present but shown backwards.
> 
> I still intend to use 1Password essentially for autocompletion.  It has the 
> ability to store a lot of different types of data, but I’m not interested in 
> that; for me, it’s just about remembering the passwords, and it also has my 
> identity and credit card for autocompleting those fields.
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Re: Very very! in depth walkthrough of One Password with Voiceover

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I’d be more interested in actually seeing an audio demonstration of what 
happens with you when you’re not using rich text icons, since some of you seem 
to be having trouble when this is off. Just for kicks, I’ve been using 
1Password for a little while without those turned on, and I’m not seeing issues.

Also, I never actually use the checkbox first, mainly because you can tab to 
the field and enter and get the same result. Passwords I will agree can be 
tricky, especially because that field doesn’t read well.

Also, why do you insist on not concealing  the passwords? If you want to view 
one, just press CTRL-CMD-P and read it, then CTRL-CMD-P to turn it back on. In 
edit fields when adding/editing passwords, these are never concealed anyway.

Nicolai
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> So there's a little trick to using this app totally effectively.  I've been 
> playhing with it all morning, and I think I've finally mastered it.  I'd 
> absolutely be more than willing to make an audio tutorial showing you all 
> interactively how this works, if you all think it would help.
>  
> First, make sure you have rich icons turned on.
>  
> Next, you need to be sure in the view menu, that conceal passwords is not 
> checked.  If it is, hit VO+space on it to toggle it off.  Trust me with this. 
>  If you do have to turn it off, then quit, and restart the app, or else from 
> an accessibility standpoint, your options won't take effect.
>  
> Now, add an item.  Let's just say for example, add a login item.
>  
> OK, now here's where things get a little weird, so do exactly what I tell you 
> to do.
>  
> VO+left and right until you find the text box for the login item's name.  By 
> default, it'll probably just call it something really generic like, "login."
>  
> Delete that out like you would any edit field.  This part isn't really 
> strange, then call it whatever you want.  In my case, I called it the 
> manufacturer's name of my router.  So you may call it Linksys, or Belcon, or 
> God forbid, DLink, or whatever.  And yes, if you have a DLink, then god help 
> you from an accessibility standpoint.  LOL!  I feel sorry for you!
>  
> OK, now listen to what I'm saying here, very? very, carefully!  If you don't 
> follow my instructions to a T, this won't work.
>  
> VO+right arrow until you get to the details table.  Be really careful.  
> Don't! and I repeat, don't! interact with the items list table.  If you do, 
> you'll totally! screw this up.  VO+right arrow past that table and go over to 
> the next table after that, which will be the details table.  Now! Interact 
> with that with VO+Shift+Down arrow.
>  
> Now, in this table, you can do a few things.  Say there is a row in the table 
> you want to get rid of, as the data isn't rellavent, known, or needed.  
> VO+down arrow to  that row.  Once you find that row, interact again.  So 
> basically to summarize, you've interacted with the table, then, you 
> interacted once again within the table on the individual row you don't want.  
> Once you interact with the row, the first thing you'll land on is a delete 
> button.  Simply press VO+Space, and boom!  That row's now gone.
>  
> Say you find a row in the table that you do! want to add a data value to.  
> OK, this is really really similar to when you deleted a row.  The only 
> difference is, once you interact with that row, you'll land on the delete 
> button, but don't press it.  Instead, VO+right arrow, and you should land on 
> an edit field, or a popup button, or whatever, depending on what the field 
> is.  The point being, at the end of the day, you should land on a control 
> which corresponds to the data which goes in that row.  Now, passwords are a 
> little different.  I'll cover them next.
>  
> OK, so, passwords.  This is a royal pain if you're not aware of it.  And 
> honestly, this is probably the most unobvious part of the app.  First of all, 
> remember.  Make sure conceal passwords is unchecked in your view menu.  
> Otherwise, you're going to get randomly scrambled passwords based on what you 
> type, and things just won't work, as it's gonna try to think for you, which 
> never is a good thing.
>  
> So, with passwords, here's the deal.  First of all, you've probably by now 
> noticed that for one, there is no place to type in a password into the 
> password row of the details table.  You probably noticed that there's a 
> checkbox which is unlabeled, but that's it.  Basically, what happens is, when 
> you check that unlabeled box, it brings up a popup window.  This is where you 
> can set criteria for it to generate a password for you.  But you say, I don't 
> want it to generate one.  I already have a password I'm using.  I know, I 
> know I know.  just stick with me on this.  this checkbox is still very 
> rellavent.  I assure you.
>  
> The trick is, firstly, you need to check that box.  By doing so, you're going 
> 

Re: Incredibly! and I really do mean, incredibly! irritated with One Password!

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

The issue is that the password field does not show to VoiceOVer and is only 
shown as a text field, otherwise this works fine. Do realize that when you 
check the box, it brings up the password generator as a popover. All you have 
to do is switch back to the 1Password window by pressing esc, and it 
automatically unchecks the box and inserts a generated password. It doesn’t 
automatically bring up the password generator in my case, although it’s easy 
enough to get out of.

I haven’t had any actual issues with text fields at all aside from the password 
area, where you can just use the tab key to get to it. They do need to fix that.

Nicolai
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  I am also at the stage of having everything set up, but with no data in 
> my vault.  And yes, it appears that interacting with a table row attracts the 
> cursor position towards text fields which it is hard to escape from.  Perhaps 
> this was a bad idea.  I will enter passwords, but not generate any; at least 
> I can have centralised passwords for convenient entry (but not as convenient 
> as native Safari), but I won’t forget them either.
> 
> Among other reasons, this is the downside of centralising your password 
> database.  Yes, compromised passwords don’t result in cascading compromise, 
> but on the other hand you’ve just locked yourself in to a dependency on a 
> single piece of software whose accessibility may get worse over time.  It’s 
> proprietary, too; great integration, but no alternatives.  I love Wi-Fi Sync. 
>  I suggest not generating any passwords until you’ve really mastered it, and 
> maybe not even then.  You could only use the tool for audit, rather than 
> forgetting your passwords; as long as you choose good, strong passwords, you 
> don’t have nearly as much to fear from password compromise in the first 
> place, and therefore no real need for actually using a password manager.  I 
> probably should have realised this before I started down this rabbit hole.
> 
> Incidentally, the exact same comments apply to iCloud Keychain, except there 
> there isn’t even an option of exporting your data, so the lock-in is far more 
> thorough.  iCloud Keychain is using SEC256P1 to encrypt your keychain items, 
> and since the NSA picked the seed for that particular curve, you can get all 
> paranoid and avoid it for that reason, too.  On the other feeler, the 
> integration is far more silky-smooth than 1Password, with autocompletion 
> occurring automatically.
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Re: Follow up to my one password issue. I'm definitely making major progress.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Coincidentally, it’s been a while since I’ve actually seen that particular 
issue of passwords being read backwards. Also, nothing “just works.” It’d be 
nice to think that it does, but I yet have to see that.

Unfortunately, when editing password fields it’s difficult to tell where the 
cursor actually is, since VoiceOver reads everything every time you move to 
another character. I know they’re aware of it, though, since I did report that. 
They’re usually good about fixing issues, but this one is taking a little 
while, so I can only assume they’re having a hard time fixing it or just 
haven’t gotten to it yet.

Saying that, rich icons or not doesn’t seem to matter in my case. I just tried 
disabling them, and everything looks the same.

Nicolai
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 1:34 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> It's kind of funny. I think a lot of the folks who insist that 1Password is 
> phenomenal haven't really bothered trying to use many of its features. Don't 
> get me wrong: I really do think that if I slaved over this thing every day 
> and got really used to its eccentricities, I would be at least somewhat ok 
> with it. I just don't want to have to do that. And, the reality is that when 
> the very thing it is supposed to accomplish isn't working (passwords entered 
> backward, etc) I get very frustrated very quickly. I've been told that the 
> developer is very responsive. I just don't want to waste the time attempting 
> to get issues resolved. I'm lazy. I just want it to work. As expensive as it 
> is, it should just work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
> Hey Chris, I stand corrected, I mostly just use 1Password to maintain logins 
> but after reading your other thread I started trying to add other items like 
> wireless base stations, and I’m seeing all the issues you reported in the 
> details table such as being unable to edit passwords and unable to focus on 
> all the controls. Unfortunately however, things didn’t improve for me once I 
> turned on rich icons, so I’m not sure what could be going on here.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, just got with a guy on Twitter over DM who uses 1Password with 
>> Voiceover.  I think we found out a huge part of my problem.
>>  
>> Don't! and I repeat, don't! disable rich icons!  If you do, Oh God're you 
>> gonna have a mess!  My logic of thinking was two things.
>>  
>> 1.  What is an icon gonna mean to me, being it's just an image?
>>  
>> 2.  It said we never send your personal data, but apparently it uses a 3rd 
>> party source to get the images for the rich icons.  I'm a huge! believer in 
>> security, and the less stuff I can have sent to an outsource, the better.  
>> Therefore, when I heard that an outsourced system would generate the icons, 
>> I said, Oh? no you don't!  Therefore, I turned rich icons off.  That was 
>> apparently a mistake on my part.  I guess it kind a changes the user 
>> interface when you do that, causing the details table on each item to be 
>> very very difficuylt to navigate, if not nearly impossible.  So, yeah, if 
>> you've done a stupid is, as stupid does, like I did, no worry.  Go into the 
>> app, and unlock your valt with your master password.  Then, hit vo+M to go 
>> to your menu bar.  In here go over to the view menu.  In the view menu, you 
>> can toggle rich icons back on.  Just turn it back on, and then you should be 
>> able to navigate the columns just fine.
>>  
>> Now, one bug I've found which my friend on Twitter also was able to 
>> reproduce is, in each row of the table under your details for an item, 
>> there's a place to obviously type in the data value.  So say you have a row 
>> called "User name."  To the right of that label name, you'll see the text 
>> box to type in the value.  Just beyond that, this is where the bug comes 
>> into play.  There is a popup button apparently called, "type menu button."  
>> For what ever strange reason, I cannot no matter what I try get that button 
>> to gain focus.  Even using the mouse keys as Ray recommended isn't exactly 
>> working.  I can get to the type menu button on the most bottom row that is 
>> for a new label which you custom create, but past that point, if it's a 
>> label already created by the app itself, then forget it.  I definitely will 
>> be writing the developers regarding this bug, as apparently, from what my 
>> friend said, he's not been too concerned about it, but it's apparently been 
>> around for a while now.
>>  
>> So, yeah, I think for the most part, I've got it working, but I'll let you 
>> all know if I get tripped up again.
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: mars edit and nonwordpress domains

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,
Naturally, the answer is yes. All you do is choose “I already have a blog” from 
the MarsEdit quick start, then enter in the URL. Once it has detected your blog 
settings, it prompts you to enter username and password. After that, you’re 
ready.

Nicolai
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Can you use mars edit if you have a blog on your own domain?  If so, how do 
> you do this?
> 
> Rather, how do you set it up?
> 
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn
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Re: one password for mac

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

1Password stores its data in 
~/Library/Container/2BUA8C4S2C.com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper/Data/Library/Data/OnePassword.sqlite
 if you purchased it from the Mac App Store. If you purchased it through 
AgileBits website, it is probably somewhere like ~/Library/Application 
Support/1Password\ 6/Data/OnePassword.sqlite. You can of course use either 
Dropbox or iCloud to sync the data, as well as use Wi-Fi Sync. You're obviously 
not required to sync the data at all, in which case it'll just remain in either 
location.

I've never used other password managers other than 1Password, mainly because 
I've never had any issues with it and it's easy enough to use as well as having 
extensive help.

Nicolai
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Where does OnePassword store its data? Can you store it locally or make it 
> available from a remote server that both iOS and Mac clients can get to?  
> iCloud Keychain is more annoying for being iCloud-specific.
> 
> If not, or additionally, what other such password managers are known to work? 
> Anyone tried KeePass, for example?
> 
> Cheers.
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Re: one password for mac

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Creating a  login is actually easy. All you have to do is press CMD-N, select 
"Login" from the menu that appears, and enter the relevant details. I would 
recommend that you also install the browser extension for the browser you 
prefer to use. You can get to those from the Browser tab from the 1Password 
preferences toolbar, and select the "Install Browser Extensions" button. At 
that point once installed, 1Password will prompt you to save new passwords as 
you log in to sites it doesn't know. However, generating strong passwords along 
with saving them is exactly one thing 1password is great at, especially because 
they can be extremely complex without having to remember them.

⌘' will also fill out a login for you when it's available and submit it 
automatically if it's set to do so. Alternatively, 1Password Mini can also be 
used to log in to websites. You can bring up 1Password Mini from either the 
status bar or with ⌥⌘' and then enter characters into the search field or 
simply pick one from the table passed that search area, then press VO-Space to 
activate it. This is great because it takes you straight to the login page and 
fills in your information, and submits it if set to do so.

I hope this gets you started. I don't know of any podcasts, but I do recommend 
you review the extensive help available to you by accessing the User Guide from 
the help menu within 1Password.

Good luck!

Nicolai
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> I am looking for a podcast on this. I found one for the IOS app but not for 
> the mac. I could really use some instruction on it. I don’t really want it to 
> generate passwords. I want a place to keep the passwords I would otherwise 
> forget.  Anyone have any ideas? If there is someone who is mory teki than I 
> am I would greatly appreciate it. I did try to listen to the one for the IOS 
> but the person had their speech rate up so far on the phone I couldn’t 
> understand it.
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Re: What ever happened to Chain Reaction?

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Hi,

You are correct. The game is called Change Reaction, not Chain, which is why 
you're probably not finding it in the App Store.

Nicolai


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
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> I thought it was called change reaction.
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:02 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
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>> Chain reaction is a fun game. I wouldn't know how to describe it though, as 
>> it's quite detailed. That would be annoying if they take it down. I will 
>> have to look when I get back from spending time with family.
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 13:15, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I’m remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t there a version of the 
>>> blind-friendly game Chain Reaction in the mac app store?  I can’t seem to 
>>> find it any longer.
>>> 
>>> I’m definitely by far and away not really a gamer, nor have much desire to 
>>> be, but this particular game has always sparked my interest for some 
>>> reason, so would like to give it a try, if the price was right.
>>> 
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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

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Hi!

Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? 
Because I have seen that particular issue before.


Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew

On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

When I choose Copy password from the contextual menu it copies correctly 
for me, although VoiceOver reads it wrong in my case when just reading 
it from the field itself.


I did write to them a little while ago about it and I was told they 
would fix it, and they are usually very good about this, so I've had no 
reason to doubt them yet.


Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 7:20 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Yes, that's right.  I have done editing and that's how it appears.  But I've 
also copied the password in 1password having edited it or having put it in and 
pasted it into an empty document and it still appears backwards.  I thought 
initially that it is some kind of a security trick so that it just reads 
backwards but is actually entered in properly somewhere in the works of the app 
but no: when I pasted it, it still appeared backwards so that's how it must 
look when you try to use the app in the browser.

I've just written to AgileBits support to tell them about this change.

Andrew

On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!

Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? Because I 
have seen that particular issue before.

Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew

On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I will have to try this, but if I understand you correctly, manually 
entering a password in the password field reverses the order in which 
you enter them. I haven't seen any setting that would change the 
behavior, and I don't see how it would be a good thing to have either.


I haven't seen that, but I suppose you could always reach out to them 
via Twitter on @1password or write them an email. If they can figure it 
out, they usually enter it into their bug tracker.


Nicolai

On 1/2/2016 11:56 AM, gs wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?




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Re: Problem with Infovox Ivox latest updates

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Hi

I am not having any issues with the voices (including UK voices) since the 
update. VoiceOver sometimes does make you lose speech when switching to another 
voice, but they should work for you just fine.

Nicolai

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> Hello, 
> I am running Mac OS 10.11.2 and have been using the English UK Infovox ivox 
> voices for years without difficulty. 
> 
> However today I was prompted to update my 4 Infovox voices which I did and 
> which seemed to all work OK. All 4 voice were downloaded and successfully 
> installed. Alas VoiceOver then stopped talking and I could not get it to 
> start talking again. I sought help from my sighed wife who is not familiar 
> with Mac and I am not familiar with how to drive Mac using sight and a mouse. 
> After a huge struggle we managed to get VoiceOver talking again with one of 
> the standard Mac OS voices. It is not a voice which I like but I am very 
> reluctant to select a different voice in case I go through one of the Infovox 
> voices and VoiceOver again stops speaking. 
> 
> Has anyone else updated their infovox voices since 16 December and if so did 
> it work OK? 
> 
> I would like to remove all the Infovox voices from the list of Voices 
> available to VoiceOver so that I can safely explore the Mac OS voices without 
> risking loss of speech. If I uncheck the infovox voices in the speech tab os 
> system preferences will that remove these voices from the list of voices 
> available to VoiceOver? 
> 
> Ideally I would like to continue using the Infovox voices if I could figure 
> out why they have stopped working and can do something to get them working 
> again. 
> 
> I have done several updates of the Infovox voices in the past and did not 
> have any problems. 
> 
> Many thanks for any tips….
> 
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Re: Alex for the Mac and Correctness of Pronunciation

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Hi!

I'd also be very curious for a more specific example (a sentence where this 
occurs.)

I do notice that sometimes, Alex does swallow words and almost mashes them 
together with others, making it hard to hear parts of the word, but Apple is 
usually good about addressing this. This happens so rarely and I have not seen 
this since OS X 10.11.2, even at speech rate at 100%.

Nicolai
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> Hi. I don't notice any pronunciation issues with Alex. Just out of curiosity, 
> what's the rate of your speech? I keep all my voices at a 35% speech rate 
> because they sound the most natural with that rate. Any higher is unnatural.
> 
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>> Hello,everyone.
>> 
>> As we all know, preference for one voice over another is a matter  of
>> subjective interpretation.  However, it strikes me that one criterion
>> is less subjective than the others: the ability of a synthesizer to
>> pronounce a word correctly in the dialect and language the user has
>> chosen.  In this respect, it seems to me, Alex doesn't perform well.
>> I have noticed that even common words are too often mispronounced,
>> and, in Yosemite 10.10.5, at least, it is the short ones, such as
>> "to," "the," "into," "that," etc. that are often mispronounced or have
>> portions of them swallowed up.  Whether these words are correctly
>> pronounced may depend on their position on a line and their
>> contiguity, or lack of it, with punctuation marks.
>> 
>> I'm wondering about two questions.  First, is Alex's pronunciation
>> more correct under OS 10.11 than under 10.10?  Second, are there other
>> voices that pronounce common words more accurately?
>> 
>> Thanks for all help.
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

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Hi!

It works just fine on a MacBook Air. I did this to install Boot Camp 
several months ago, and all I needed was the regular earpods (though it 
probably doesn't matter as long as you plug something into the 3.5MM 
jack.) I didn't have speech when I did not use the EarPods, although 
some people have gotten USB audio to work with headsets.


I just tried this again to see if it still works on my Mid2012 MacBook 
Air 11 inch, and it works fine. Keyboard and mouse included, because it 
uses generic drivers. Obviously that means FN doesn't work, at least not 
on mine, but it works fine otherwise.


Nicolai

On 12/2/2015 7:43 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi Paul,

That’s a problem. It’s quite a story, but I’ll tell you all I know. I 
have bootcamp installed and it went successfully on my mac mini late 
2012. However, on a macbook air from a friend from 2013, it did not 
work at all. Yes you can boot Bryan’s DVD and you will get to a 
windows desktop soon where NVDA is running indeed, but you have no 
drivers, so that interaction with the system is impossible. There is 
no keyboard driver inside Bryan’s DVD, that supports your macbook air 
keyboard. Likewise, there is no compatible mouse driver so you cannot 
use the mouse. Likewise, the talking DVD does not have the macbook air 
sound driver as far as I’m aware, so you won’t hear anything from NVDA 
at all. I tried plugging in a USB keyboard, a USB mouse and a USB 
sound system, but with no luck. If the talking windows installer DVD 
can be used on a macbook air at all, I hope we will hear how to work 
that thing, for on other systems, it is very usable and useful. What 
follows is my experience on my mac mini late 2012. If that’s not what 
you think can help you, by all means skip the rest.


You will go through these steps:
1. Get and burn Bryan’s dvd.
2. Go through the bootcamp assistant and at the reboot, turn off your mac.
3. Install windows using Bryan’s DVD.
4. Finish the rest of the installation, either with a sighted person 
or using fusion.


Regarding step 1: Bryan’s DVD.
I would advise you to use the large Bryan archive, as that contains a 
working installer for an entire windows 7 system. Once you have the 
iso image, have a capable program burn its contents on to a dvd. Then 
leave that DVD for a while.


Regarding step 2: running bootcamp assistant.
Before going ahead, first have a USB flash drive, stick or key ready, 
and format it as fat32.
From the utilities folder on your mac, run the bootcamp assistant. It 
will let you perform these 3 tasks, and I would advise you to let it 
do all of them.
A. Unfortunately, it will ask for a USB drive or USB stick, onto which 
bootcamp assistant will then copy the windows installation files. Just 
to satisfy the bootcamp assistand on the mac, you will have to let it 
do this, or you won’t get your bootcamp partition created afterwards. 
You won’t need this windows installer because we are going to use 
Bryan’s, but bootcamp wants you to go through this. Bootcamp assistant 
wants an iso file, or a physical DVD with an official windows 
installer, supposedly to proove that you indeed own one. It reads 
windows off of your dvd or iso file, and transfers those files over to 
the USB flash drive, which again, you don’t really need.


b. Windows does not know how to listen to your keyboard on your mac, 
nor how to listen to the mouse, or how to send sound out through your 
mac speakers. For all kinds of hardware, windows drivers are required. 
Once you run the bootcamp assistant, you can enable a checkbox that 
lets it download the specific set of drivers for your very mac. Just 
check that box and let it do that, because once done, you will have a 
windows installation USB flash drive, that also has a directory on it 
for the bootcamp, i.e. mac hardware in windows drivers. And you need 
those after installing windows. You will also need nvda, so download 
that and put it on the USB flash drive for later. I would rename the 
official NVDA installer to NVDA.exe.


c. Next, bootcamp installer will ask you how much space to allocate to 
windows on your hard drive. That space is taken away from OS 10. There 
is a slider that lets you devide your disk, and after each nudge of 
the slider, you move off of it, to read the labels telling you how 
much space is now set aside for windows.
 Then, the bootcamp assistand utility will reboot your mac. Normally, 
a sighted person would then continue the installation from the USB 
key, and then, after windows is installed, install the bootcamp 
drivers, to enable all mac hardware functions inside windows. However, 
for us that is a different matter. What I do when the reboot comes, is 
turn off the mac entirely, and then boot from Bryan’s DVD.


If you have not seen Bryan’s dvd in action, here’s what it does. After 
you boot it, you will land on the windows 7 desktop. But this is a 
very minimal system. What’s great about it, is that NVDA is already 
running. You can do all 

Re: Annoying pitch change bug when using Vocaliser.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Some responsiveness problems, although they only seem to occur when 
switching applications. Give it about five seconds to sort itself out, 
and it becomes very snappy again.


I haven't seen this with Infovox when it comes to typing, but I am in 
talks with Acapela about some delays when announcing elements, etc.


Technically, you can get ETI on the Mac through Wine, but the 
implementation leaves something to be desired and isn't very good. I'm 
sure you could probably port it over properly if someone wanted to, but 
I'm not a huge fan of that synthesizer beyond when playing games.


Nicolai

On 11/26/2015 12:20 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:

What kind of issues?

Noticed that some of the premium info box Ivox voices have a delay 
when typing.


Heather in particular comes to mind.

I just wish we could get the ETI synth on the Mac.

Won’t happen any time soon.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV International Trade

College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/in/sadam-ahmed-04121258




On 26 Nov 2015, at 2:12 am, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chojiro1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi!

I personally haven't encountered this, but Vocalizer does suffer from 
some other issues. I'm sure those will get addressed, as did the 
issue with the quality four years later.


Nicolai

On 11/25/2015 9:42 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:

All,

To those of you running El Capitan have Apple fixed the really 
annoying bug where Vocaliser voices would inexplicably change pitch?


I remember this was a bug they  introduced way back in Lion ( And 
for some reason it was never delt with.)


Thanks for the indulgence.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/in/sadam-ahmed-04121258


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Re: Annoying pitch change bug when using Vocaliser.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I personally haven't encountered this, but Vocalizer does suffer from 
some other issues. I'm sure those will get addressed, as did the issue 
with the quality four years later.


Nicolai

On 11/25/2015 9:42 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:

All,

To those of you running El Capitan have Apple fixed the really 
annoying bug where Vocaliser voices would inexplicably change pitch?


I remember this was a bug they  introduced way back in Lion ( And for 
some reason it was never delt with.)


Thanks for the indulgence.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/in/sadam-ahmed-04121258


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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I can't say I'm a huge fan of Terminal with VoiceOver. Unfortunately, 
it's never been great unless you use the Toggle Text Spoken feature 
which prevents the cursor from moving. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure 
that we'll ever see some improvement in this area. Terminal is usable, 
but I prefer using Terminal elsewhere for command line. It isn't as 
efficient, primarily because VoiceOver interrupts as the cursor moves, 
causing you to miss potential errors and having to look manually


I use it still, but I prefer scripts these days because of it.

App Store has gotten horrible in 10.11. Inability focus, and the 
infamous updates tab still has plenty of focus issues when checking for 
updates and updating applications. You'd think this would have been 
squashed since the initial introduction of the App Store way back, but 
apparently this is a really difficult one.


Emails don't read automatically for me, and I often have to mess around 
with it. If this is an HTML email, this becomes progressively worse, and 
I'm still a firm believer that they should switch to HTML content areas 
for HTML emails. Outlook actually does this, and VoiceOver handles HTML 
far better than it does in regular text areas.


Saying that, I still use El Capitan because I've learned to work around 
a lot of the annoyances. Hopefully when 10.11.5 hits, a lot of it will 
be gone and feel like a great experience to me.


Nicolai
On 11/23/2015 8:10 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I for one have had very good success.  I’m using mail in the newer threaded 
view, safari and things like shell and such with out any issue.  Finding it 
also very snappy.  I figured I was lucky though or I’m not a power user enough 
to use the advanced features that others may have issues with.  Not sure but 
put me down as happy on El Capitan.



On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Sadam,

Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the actual 
10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, honestly.

Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you have 
had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I ran into 
the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that was!

I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.

I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in general, 
what items are installed, vs. not! installed.

I dono, it's just a thought.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sadam Ahmed" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


Chris,

All I can say is you got lucky.

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for now.

Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
problems.

But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

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On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
drama for the world to see, but let’s 

Re: Boot Camp, talking installer.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Have you tried plugging in earbuds, like the ones from Apple?

That sometimes does the trick. My Mac doesn't speak either unless I plug those 
in, and I know people who've had to do this as well. Bryan's page claims it 
does not support USB audio, but I've also connected USB headsets to the 
installer in the past.

Nicolai
> On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> I've tried both images. Neither of which I can get to talk. Both will however 
> boot up onto the desktop I've had somebody visually verify. iMessage Brian on 
> Twitter, and he says he doesn't know why it doesn't work with some Macs.
> 
> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:25 AM, mattias  wrote:
>> 
>> wonder wich iso armando uses?
>> because in bryans archive there is 2
>> one named somthing mega
>> and one about 512 mb
>> 
>>> Den 2015-11-18 kl. kl 21:53, skrev Paul Sandoval:
>>> i'm trying to install Windows 7 via Boot Camp.
>>> I'm also attempting to use the talking windows installer.
>>> If someone has experience using this installer, I could really use some 
>>> assistance.
>>> I've listened to a podcast on Apple this, but I do not know what I'm 
>>> missing.
>>> I'm using a MacBook air mid 2013.
>>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>> Sent from Pablo's iPhone
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Re: Unable to Logon to a Web Site

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

The same applies to the iPhone. You might not see the same behaviors on 
other browsers depending on how they handle the settings, but you're 
technically not visiting the page when it's loading it from elsewhere. 
That's not how Safari interprets it, but only goes by the page you're 
actually on. Having said that, Firefox does actually exhibit the same 
behavior. If you change the "Firefox Will: to "Use custom settings for 
history" and under the :Accept third-party cookies: checkbox select 
"From visited", you get the same result.


Nicolai

On Nov 14, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Nicolai, for parsing the source code of the login page in
question and for suggesting a URL offering a logon without changing
Safari's efault cookies setting.  I have run this problem by a good
friend with extensive Mac OS administrative experience, and he
confirms that this oddity happens from time to time.  Like you, I
can't imagine what advantage is to be gained from drawing information
from a page in addition to the one the user has loaded.  I may indeed
write to the developer, but I may not do so as an end user.  I may ask
an instructor of mine, the person who has the license for the software
that schedules our classes, to forward my concern.

BTW, if one types the error message "Cookies are required to access
this site" into the Google search box, several references to this
developer's scheduling software come up.  It's hard for me to believe
they don't know about the problem.  It appears to be browser-specific
since logon proceeds normally when I use either Firefox or Internet
Explorer for Windows.  I have not yet tried using the page under iOS.

Craig

On 11/13/15, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!

Actually, it makes sense, in a way. The content shown inside the 
frame comes
from a different source and is loaded into it, and because it 
comes from a
different page, the JavaScript cookie isn't recognized using the 
setting and

the fields don't show, but instead shows you the warning. This is evident
from looking at the page source alone, even on both sides including the
frame source, but if you go here:
http://clients.mindbodyonline.com/ws.asp?studioid=37742stype=-2subTab=schedule
with the setting set to only permit cookies from website you visit, 
it will
show. I'm not sure what prompted such a design decision, 
and thankfully it

is rare. At least, this is the first time I've seen this in a while.

It might be worth getting in touch, since I wouldn't be very inclined 
to log

in, at least through
http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
having to allow cookies from everywhere.

Nicolai

On Nov 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

No worries my friend, both learned something new here. What sort 
of place

a gym?

Aloha,

Charlie


On Nov 13, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks so much for replying, Charlie.

You're on the right track.  In fact, cookies must be enabled for all
sites in order for the CoreConceptsClarence.com page to work properly.
This makes no sense.  The default setting for cookies, "allow for
websites I visit," should allow for the page to work.  An Apple
Accessibility representative told me that occasionally, developers
code their pages in such a way as to necessitate Safari's acceptance
of cookies from all sites.  This is a real bother since theoretically,
at least, the user is opening his/her computer to malware if that
setting is allowed to become the default.  It looks like I have
stumbled across a rather rare find here.

Craig



On 11/13/15, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Craig check your privacy setting in safari and see if cookies are
allowed
from current website is radio buttoned


On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello, everyone.

I am using Safari on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I am trying
to logon to a web site whose username and password fields are not
being spoken by VoiceOver.  When I go to

http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com

and then activate the "My Account" link, the username and password
fields are not on screen.  Under the "My Account" heading is a "Frame
0" notation, and when I interact with this frame, I can hear the text
telling me that "cookies are required to access this site."  I have
not changed any Safari settings since installing Yosemite 10.10.5.
Can anyone imagine what is going on with this site?  I have never
received a cookies-related message from Safari before.  Then again, I
have only been a Mac user for a few months.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: Unable to Logon to a Web Site

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Actually, it makes sense, in a way. The content shown inside the frame comes 
from a different source and is loaded into it, and because it comes from a 
different page, the JavaScript cookie isn't recognized using the setting and 
the fields don't show, but instead shows you the warning. This is evident from 
looking at the page source alone, even on both sides including the frame 
source, but if you go here:
http://clients.mindbodyonline.com/ws.asp?studioid=37742stype=-2subTab=schedule
with the setting set to only permit cookies from website you visit, it will 
show. I'm not sure what prompted such a design decision, and thankfully it is 
rare. At least, this is the first time I've seen this in a while.

It might be worth getting in touch, since I wouldn't be very inclined to log 
in, at least through
http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
having to allow cookies from everywhere.

Nicolai
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Charlie Doremus  wrote:
> 
> No worries my friend, both learned something new here. What sort of place a 
> gym?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Charlie 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much for replying, Charlie.
>> 
>> You're on the right track.  In fact, cookies must be enabled for all
>> sites in order for the CoreConceptsClarence.com page to work properly.
>> This makes no sense.  The default setting for cookies, "allow for
>> websites I visit," should allow for the page to work.  An Apple
>> Accessibility representative told me that occasionally, developers
>> code their pages in such a way as to necessitate Safari's acceptance
>> of cookies from all sites.  This is a real bother since theoretically,
>> at least, the user is opening his/her computer to malware if that
>> setting is allowed to become the default.  It looks like I have
>> stumbled across a rather rare find here.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/13/15, Charlie Doremus  wrote:
>>> Craig check your privacy setting in safari and see if cookies are allowed
>>> from current website is radio buttoned
>>> 
 On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
 
 Hello, everyone.
 
 I am using Safari on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.10.5.  I am trying
 to logon to a web site whose username and password fields are not
 being spoken by VoiceOver.  When I go to
 
 http://www.coreconceptsclarence.com
 
 and then activate the "My Account" link, the username and password
 fields are not on screen.  Under the "My Account" heading is a "Frame
 0" notation, and when I interact with this frame, I can hear the text
 telling me that "cookies are required to access this site."  I have
 not changed any Safari settings since installing Yosemite 10.10.5.
 Can anyone imagine what is going on with this site?  I have never
 received a cookies-related message from Safari before.  Then again, I
 have only been a Mac user for a few months.
 
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Re: Anyone using Kobi.TV

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

As an addendum to what I said before, since someone asked how I got the service 
after already writing an email, I'll revise the steps. Apparently, installing 
it from Github will now give you an error instead, though it didn't used to, so 
download the zip from here:

http://addons.kodi.tv/show/service.xbmc.tts/

Then you just follow the steps from 2 through 7, but don't worry about step 3.

Nicolai
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Just a quick followup to what I said.
> 
> Turns out that the way to copy these files is completely buried in threads 
> and is no longer easy to find, so here's how:
> 
> 1) You will need to download the zip file from here:
> https://github.com/ruuk/service.xbmc.tts
> Link says " Download ZIP."
> 
> 2) After downloading it unzip it to wherever.
> 3) Rename the folder that is extracted so that it says service.xbmc.tts 
> (master isn't necessary and just seems lengthy to me)
> 4) Launch Kodi from Applications, then quit it after you hear some beeps.
> 5) Go back to the service.xbmc.tts folder, and press CMD-C to copy it.
> 6) Press CMD-Shift-G from the Finder and go to ~/Library/Application 
> Support/Kodi/Addons
> 7) Press CMD-Option-V to move the entire folder into this folder.
> 
> That should do it. Launch koi now and it should hopefully speak. It's 
> sometimes not working quite as it should, however, and the developer doesn't 
> know why either.
> 
> For instance, I just removed Kodi screen reader from Kodi and reinstalled it, 
> and it doesn't say anything. I ran into that the first time I did this, and 
> randomly it just kind of…worked, even though the folders look identical to 
> what I had previously and Kodi registers the add-on by playing sounds.
> 
> Good Luck!
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Naturally OS X. A version does exist for iOS, although it requires a 
>> jailbreak as far as I know.
>> 
>> You can find the screen reader service for Kodi here:
>> http://ruuk.github.io/service.xbmc.tts/
>> Just follow the instructions after installing Kodi and it should speak upon 
>> launch. You will probably have to launch Kodi first, then quit it again, 
>> then install the service via the method described in the link above. You can 
>> install it from within Kodi, but you can't do that accessibly, so copying 
>> files is the easiest method. As I mentioned, though, Kodi isn't the easiest 
>> thing to use with the current screen reader service, especially when it 
>> comes to reviewing items it interrupts.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What platform are you using it on and where did you get its own screen 
>>> reader to use it? Thanks,
>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> I've been using it for a while, though it requires its own screen reader 
>>>> service to speak.
>>>> 
>>>> Without it, you will just hear clicks. The screen reader is not perfect, 
>>>> as it will sometimes interrupt itself, although the developer is very 
>>>> interested in making it better. It is very basic, but it has some review 
>>>> keys. Still, they are not very extensive.
>>>> 
>>>> Nicolai
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/6/2015 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>> Sorry about that damn names Kodi.tv here’s the link and yeah works on 
>>>>> Windows actually all platforms
>>>>> http://kodi.tv
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A buddy of mine mentioned Kobi.TV to me yesterday and it seems pretty 
>>>>>> interesting as you can get a ton of content from it. I installed it on 
>>>>>> my 2010 Mac running Yosemite but get nothing but busy busy messages. 
>>>>>> Probably yet another client that just does not work well with VO but 
>>>>>> wanted to see if anyone is using it successfully. You can also get it on 
>>>>>> a jail broken iPhone but I have yet to jail break an iPhone. Let us know 
>>>>>> if anyone is using it. Thanks,
>>>>>> 
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Re: Anyone using Kobi.TV

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

There is a Kodi remote app in the App Store, but I'm not sure whether it is 
accessible or not. Also connects to your actual media center and only lets you 
use it as a remote, whereas the proper Kodi app requires a jailbreak and is a 
full port of Kodi/XBMC.

You could try either, although I'd prefer using something like this on my Mac 
personally.

Good luck!

Nicolai
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nikolai,
> 
> Thanks so much for posting the steps and wow are you right not an easy 
> process. I have a 5S I am going to try and jailbreak which I have never done 
> and see if Kodi is easier to use on the iPhone and air play to the Apple TV. 
> Thanks again for posting.
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> As an addendum to what I said before, since someone asked how I got the 
>> service after already writing an email, I'll revise the steps. Apparently, 
>> installing it from Github will now give you an error instead, though it 
>> didn't used to, so download the zip from here:
>> 
>> http://addons.kodi.tv/show/service.xbmc.tts/
>> 
>> Then you just follow the steps from 2 through 7, but don't worry about step 
>> 3.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Just a quick followup to what I said.
>>> 
>>> Turns out that the way to copy these files is completely buried in threads 
>>> and is no longer easy to find, so here's how:
>>> 
>>> 1) You will need to download the zip file from here:
>>> https://github.com/ruuk/service.xbmc.tts
>>> Link says " Download ZIP."
>>> 
>>> 2) After downloading it unzip it to wherever.
>>> 3) Rename the folder that is extracted so that it says service.xbmc.tts 
>>> (master isn't necessary and just seems lengthy to me)
>>> 4) Launch Kodi from Applications, then quit it after you hear some beeps.
>>> 5) Go back to the service.xbmc.tts folder, and press CMD-C to copy it.
>>> 6) Press CMD-Shift-G from the Finder and go to ~/Library/Application 
>>> Support/Kodi/Addons
>>> 7) Press CMD-Option-V to move the entire folder into this folder.
>>> 
>>> That should do it. Launch koi now and it should hopefully speak. It's 
>>> sometimes not working quite as it should, however, and the developer 
>>> doesn't know why either.
>>> 
>>> For instance, I just removed Kodi screen reader from Kodi and reinstalled 
>>> it, and it doesn't say anything. I ran into that the first time I did this, 
>>> and randomly it just kind of…worked, even though the folders look identical 
>>> to what I had previously and Kodi registers the add-on by playing sounds.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck!
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Naturally OS X. A version does exist for iOS, although it requires a 
>>>> jailbreak as far as I know.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the screen reader service for Kodi here:
>>>> http://ruuk.github.io/service.xbmc.tts/
>>>> Just follow the instructions after installing Kodi and it should speak 
>>>> upon launch. You will probably have to launch Kodi first, then quit it 
>>>> again, then install the service via the method described in the link 
>>>> above. You can install it from within Kodi, but you can't do that 
>>>> accessibly, so copying files is the easiest method. As I mentioned, 
>>>> though, Kodi isn't the easiest thing to use with the current screen reader 
>>>> service, especially when it comes to reviewing items it interrupts.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> 
>>>> Nicolai
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What platform are you using it on and where did you get its own screen 
>>>>> reader to use it? Thanks,
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been using it for a while, though it requires its own screen reader 
>>>>>> service to speak.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Without i

Re: Anyone using Kobi.TV

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I've been using it for a while, though it requires its own screen reader 
service to speak.


Without it, you will just hear clicks. The screen reader is not perfect, 
as it will sometimes interrupt itself, although the developer is very 
interested in making it better. It is very basic, but it has some review 
keys. Still, they are not very extensive.


Nicolai



On 11/6/2015 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Sorry about that damn names Kodi.tv here’s the link and yeah works on Windows 
actually all platforms
http://kodi.tv

On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

A buddy of mine mentioned Kobi.TV to me yesterday and it seems pretty 
interesting as you can get a ton of content from it. I installed it on my 2010 
Mac running Yosemite but get nothing but busy busy messages. Probably yet 
another client that just does not work well with VO but wanted to see if anyone 
is using it successfully. You can also get it on a jail broken iPhone but I 
have yet to jail break an iPhone. Let us know if anyone is using it. Thanks,

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Re: Anyone using Kobi.TV

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Naturally OS X. A version does exist for iOS, although it requires a jailbreak 
as far as I know.

You can find the screen reader service for Kodi here:
http://ruuk.github.io/service.xbmc.tts/
Just follow the instructions after installing Kodi and it should speak upon 
launch. You will probably have to launch Kodi first, then quit it again, then 
install the service via the method described in the link above. You can install 
it from within Kodi, but you can't do that accessibly, so copying files is the 
easiest method. As I mentioned, though, Kodi isn't the easiest thing to use 
with the current screen reader service, especially when it comes to reviewing 
items it interrupts.

Good luck!

Nicolai
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> What platform are you using it on and where did you get its own screen reader 
> to use it? Thanks,
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been using it for a while, though it requires its own screen reader 
>> service to speak.
>> 
>> Without it, you will just hear clicks. The screen reader is not perfect, as 
>> it will sometimes interrupt itself, although the developer is very 
>> interested in making it better. It is very basic, but it has some review 
>> keys. Still, they are not very extensive.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/6/2015 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> Sorry about that damn names Kodi.tv here’s the link and yeah works on 
>>> Windows actually all platforms
>>> http://kodi.tv
>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A buddy of mine mentioned Kobi.TV to me yesterday and it seems pretty 
>>>> interesting as you can get a ton of content from it. I installed it on my 
>>>> 2010 Mac running Yosemite but get nothing but busy busy messages. Probably 
>>>> yet another client that just does not work well with VO but wanted to see 
>>>> if anyone is using it successfully. You can also get it on a jail broken 
>>>> iPhone but I have yet to jail break an iPhone. Let us know if anyone is 
>>>> using it. Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: Anyone using Kobi.TV

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Just a quick followup to what I said.

Turns out that the way to copy these files is completely buried in threads and 
is no longer easy to find, so here's how:

1) You will need to download the zip file from here:
https://github.com/ruuk/service.xbmc.tts
Link says " Download ZIP."

2) After downloading it unzip it to wherever.
3) Rename the folder that is extracted so that it says service.xbmc.tts (master 
isn't necessary and just seems lengthy to me)
4) Launch Kodi from Applications, then quit it after you hear some beeps.
5) Go back to the service.xbmc.tts folder, and press CMD-C to copy it.
6) Press CMD-Shift-G from the Finder and go to ~/Library/Application 
Support/Kodi/Addons
7) Press CMD-Option-V to move the entire folder into this folder.

That should do it. Launch koi now and it should hopefully speak. It's sometimes 
not working quite as it should, however, and the developer doesn't know why 
either.

For instance, I just removed Kodi screen reader from Kodi and reinstalled it, 
and it doesn't say anything. I ran into that the first time I did this, and 
randomly it just kind of…worked, even though the folders look identical to what 
I had previously and Kodi registers the add-on by playing sounds.

Good Luck!

Nicolai
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Naturally OS X. A version does exist for iOS, although it requires a 
> jailbreak as far as I know.
> 
> You can find the screen reader service for Kodi here:
> http://ruuk.github.io/service.xbmc.tts/
> Just follow the instructions after installing Kodi and it should speak upon 
> launch. You will probably have to launch Kodi first, then quit it again, then 
> install the service via the method described in the link above. You can 
> install it from within Kodi, but you can't do that accessibly, so copying 
> files is the easiest method. As I mentioned, though, Kodi isn't the easiest 
> thing to use with the current screen reader service, especially when it comes 
> to reviewing items it interrupts.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What platform are you using it on and where did you get its own screen 
>> reader to use it? Thanks,
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I've been using it for a while, though it requires its own screen reader 
>>> service to speak.
>>> 
>>> Without it, you will just hear clicks. The screen reader is not perfect, as 
>>> it will sometimes interrupt itself, although the developer is very 
>>> interested in making it better. It is very basic, but it has some review 
>>> keys. Still, they are not very extensive.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/6/2015 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>> Sorry about that damn names Kodi.tv here’s the link and yeah works on 
>>>> Windows actually all platforms
>>>> http://kodi.tv
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A buddy of mine mentioned Kobi.TV to me yesterday and it seems pretty 
>>>>> interesting as you can get a ton of content from it. I installed it on my 
>>>>> 2010 Mac running Yosemite but get nothing but busy busy messages. 
>>>>> Probably yet another client that just does not work well with VO but 
>>>>> wanted to see if anyone is using it successfully. You can also get it on 
>>>>> a jail broken iPhone but I have yet to jail break an iPhone. Let us know 
>>>>> if anyone is using it. Thanks,
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Re: Clean my Mac and L Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

It works as well as it did in Yosemite. It's usable just fine.

Nicolai
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> How's Clean My Mac with the latest L Capitan?  any good or no?
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: An Update on Cereproc and El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I'd accept that response if Cereproc had actually worked well to begin with and 
worsened with the El Capitan upgrade. Issue is that it hasn't. I'd be more 
accepting of that response if I was seeing that consistent behavior across 
applications using these APIs, but I'm not. Changes are made to these APIs 
since Yosemite, sure, but voices  incompatible with El Capitan work fine when 
being used by VoiceOVer. At least, some do.

Cereproc has never actually worked well at all for me, and I received the same 
response years ago when I reported the problems I was having. I suspect it's 
just their implementation that doesn't work well with VOiceOver more than 
anything else. This can be said for other voices as well, like Cepstral.

Nicolai
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I just received word from Graham Leary of Cereproc. This is what he 
> has written to me.
> Hi Shawn,
> 
> The Apple Speech API has changed in El Capitan and Voiceover seems to be 
> sometimes writing the speech out to disk rather than playing out the audio.  
> Other apps seem to work correctly, but Voiceover is not working correctly.  
> We're going to keep looking into this.
> 
> So basically, bottom line is, because Apple changed the speech API in El 
> Capitan, Cereproc can no longer be used with Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
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Re: VM Fusion 8.1 user experience comments

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I very much agree. The only issue I sometimes have is that keys in the VM are 
sometimes held down, especially when in conjunction with shift, although this 
is actually because of VoiceOVer's quick nav issue. Aside from that unrelated 
Fusion bug that causes the VM to act weird, it's very nice. They've done really 
well with it. I'm more than happy to keep upgrading, and I started out with 
VmWare Fusion 3. It's come a long way since then.

Nicolai
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> It just dawned on me while working with fusion that it really has gotten very 
> good from an accessibility and over all stability stand point.  I know some 
> on list have commented it’s over priced and the upgrade methods have a lot to 
> be desired and there are strong points to be made but as someone who started 
> with Fusion 3 and is now using the  latest 8.x version it’s gotten so much 
> easier to use.  Things like the menus being nicely accessible while in the VM 
> through voiceover, really smooth and predictable startup and shutdown of VMs, 
> the windows initial registration and setup worked and the integration with a 
> laptop (power off / restore / hibernate etc) works great.  Anyone else agree 
> or am  I some how lucky or to clueless to no better.:)
> 
> I’m over all just finding I’m using the product and not fighting with the 
> product, which is a huge improvement.  Other comments encouraged?  In my case 
> I’m running on a Macbook Pro  environment one 15 with 2.6 ghz I7 and the 
> other a 13 with upgraded CPU, 16 and 8 GB respectively.  All on SSD entirely.
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Re: How to make a bootable OS X El Capitan USB key

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Hi

It does. As soon as you paste the command, it will display the word "password" 
but use the VoiceOver cursor to verify, although it shouldn't be necessary. You 
can just enter it and press return, then wait. It will take some time. You will 
see a line of text showing computer name and current path when done.

Nicolai

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> On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:24, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
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> The password prompt must occur before it copies files I believe.
> I, too, tried to make a bootable disk of 10.11, but it never worked.
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to the 
tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, since it 
is vastly different and only included with other products and neither company 
has given credit to each other.

With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although it's 
for various reasons.

sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have run by 
typing

ls -al /var/log/*.out

Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't actually 
clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can have support 
files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved states. The 
maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from what I can tell 
when looking at them including log files. The leftovers are really where I gain 
some space back. I used to look for these manually.

Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" that 
isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files around. 
You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look for them, 
either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last ran. Of course, 
looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not as big of a deal, but 
it's still time you could spend on doing something else. That's been my own 
experiences ever since I first started running OS X, in particular with apps 
not from the Mac App Store. Looking through /library/Application Support, it's 
easy to tell which apps require a bit more work before all of it is gone. Of 
course, bottom line is that you don't actually need to shell out any money for 
apps at all, since you can do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it 
easier. Oddly enough, the article only mentions caching and logging, but not 
the application deletion misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the 
trash and it's gone" which just glancing at folders shows that isn't always 
correct. Dragging .app to the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. 
Of course, with apps from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.

Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly useful if 
for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any leftovers are still 
around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to forget about.

Nicolai
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately similar 
> to the dubious Windows program.
> 
> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of why 
> Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
> 
> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on only 
> occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

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Hi!

I am pretty sure this is related to the bug that constantly talks at you if 
you're focussed on, say, a heading.

It happens often if you don't let VoiceOver finish speaking. If I am on a link 
or a text element, VoiceOVer will force my focus from VLC, for example, into 
Safari again. If I let VOiceOVer finish speaking, whether a page has just 
loaded or not, this doesn't happen to me, though it is easier to reproduce when 
you have just loaded a page

Nicolai
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:56 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
> when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, 
> even if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
> indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This 
> seems to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.
> 
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>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  
>> Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
>> then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
>> the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
>> experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
>> application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
>> Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1
>> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Have you actually grabbed the new version? :)

That used to be the issue on older versions that didn't have compatibility with 
El Capitan. You'll want to visit their website
http://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
and grab it there.

Nicolai
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire it 
> up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.
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Re: MacKeeper class action suit garners refunds

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Hi!

I have had them tell me that snake32.exe was a virus and needed to be removed 
from my computer before. Obviously, this is funny, because .exe is a Windows 
file association. Of course, people who've never looked at file extensions 
before probably don't know that, so it's easy enough to believe the scare 
tactics. After all, my father almost believed it.

I actually bought MacKeeper once, and haven't used it since. I didn't even 
remember I'd bought it way back until I did some digging.

I haven't seen their silly popups ever since I prevented Safari from showing 
them and only enabling them when required, and made sure my Mac had no malware. 
I can't say I'm surprised by the class action suit.

Nicolai
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 6:25 AM, Michael Marshall  
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> 
> are they the fools who make those stupid popups that come up on some sites 
> and say stuff like
> Your mac is infected with spyware?
> how stupid do they think we are?
>> On 24 Oct 2015, at 7:03 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> just added them to my firewall. this way, I can't get to them and they can't 
>> get to me. :)
>> 
>> btw, I use Waterroof as my firewall interface on my OS X Lion system. Its a 
>> little tricky getting used to at first, but with a little time and some 
>> reading, it becomes the app of choice for us.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:07 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Pity they didn’t get a proper smackdown in your courts for that day’s work.
>>> 
>>> I block Zeobit, Krontek and MacKeeper domains at the border.  I consider 
>>> that lot indistinguishable from malware purveyors.  This is truly 
>>> unfortunate as they clearly aren’t actually true malware but have simply 
>>> chosen an unethical business practice to scare people out of their money
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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I have never been impressed with Cereproc and their voices, so I can't say this 
is very surprising they do not work, at least at the moment. Years ago when I 
first tried them they barely worked, either, and contacting them didn't really 
resolve anything except they said they would look into it. It's unfortunate, 
since I like having a lot of choices, but Ivona said the same  thing to me two 
years ago.

Here's to hoping! 

Nicolai
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Yeah, they needed to update these to work with System Integrity Protection, 
> but the voices themselves are pretty useless. :(
> 
> I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt since they’re clearly not 
> an Apple firm, but I still stand by my earlier recommendation.  It’s just not 
> worth it.  In fact, I’m finding that I no longer install voices for the 
> language until I really require them, sticking only to the default enhanced 
> voice and Alex exclusively.  I think this probably just means you’ll get the 
> best experience with the chosen system default voices which can easily be 
> accessed with VoiceOver Utility.
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Re: OS X update released and watch OS 2.0.1 released

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Hi!

Nope, they haven't fixed that issue, either. In fact, mine most of the time 
used to just stay silent and not cut itself off when that happened, but now, it 
interrupts itself when it starts to speak.

Progress, I suppose. lol

Nicolai
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> At least my Safari issue is unresolved, however it looks like they might—and 
> this isn’t confirmed yet, but they might—have sorted out that annoying 
> self-muting trick whereby VO cuts itself off while navigating.  Nothing else 
> yet, touch wood …
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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

The new iPhones are capable of doing it wirelessly now.

Nicolai

On 10/19/2015 8:03 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged 
into a power source for that feature to work.
On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:



Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.
Chris.

- Original Message -
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*Sent:*Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
*Subject:*Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you
have their attention!

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

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Guys,
First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate
with any of you either on nor off list about the privacy
concerns of this, so don't even start!  I however have been
doing some kind a random thinking this morning.  You see? 
That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep...

or...  coffee.  LOL! Anyway, here's my point.
I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the
way up to an IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen. Call
me weird, as I know some of you will, but I do like using "Hey
Siri."  So, what happens, if multiple devices are in the same
room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 'em go nuts on me? 
That could get really scarey!  LOL!

In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which
device should take

 precedents over another?


I'm thinking this may be a good one for


http://www.apple.com/feedback


I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings
to actually specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether
that be a customized typed key phraise, or a list of a couple
predefined choices.  This way, I could set one device to one
trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd not get
themselves confused.


What do you all think?


Chris.


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Re: Quick nav doesn't work in Preview in El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

This works fine. Just switch to the navigation option in the rotor once you're 
interacting with the PDF text area, and you can then use down arrow to review 
it. You can review by lines, too, although it seems to do the same thing here. 
Keep in mind that you have to interact with both the PDF content and the text 
area.

Nicolai
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wonder whether you could check if quick nav works in documents in Preview?  
> It used to work well in the previous releases of OS.  This is awkward because 
> if I want to read line by line in Preview, I now need two hands to do so 
> whereas in the past I would put quick nav on and be able to use down and up 
> arrow keys to read line by line.  If this can be confirmed as a bug, I shall 
> report to Accessibility.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: VO going haywire with El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I have seen the first one, although I only get it when I change speech rate and 
voices occasionally.

As for Safari and editing text, VoiceOver on my end doesn't actually do that, 
although keyboard focus clicks are heard each time I type and move between 
lines in the same field, which is a weird behavior. That seems a little 
excessive.

Most menus that Ive seen on websites I can get out of just by using VO-right, 
and VoiceOver then leaves the menu alone. That includes YouTube and Verizon 
Wireless for me, however, VOiceOver does excessively announce the menu rapidly 
for some reason.

Nicolai
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m noticing in iTunes & the App store, VoiceOver will stop responding to any 
> keystrokes.  I’ll try basic movements like VO-right-arrow or the command to 
> interact with a page or table, & VO is silent.  When I command-f5 to turn 
> VoiceOver off, it does speak VoiceOver off.  When I turn it back on, all is 
> well, but the behavior is random & surprisingly frequent.  Is anyone else 
> experiencing this?
> 
> Also in Safari, when I go to type something in an edit field, VoiceOver goes 
> completely haywire.  Like it is suddenly confused with all the usual 
> commands.  I need to turn VO off & type what I want, then turn VO on again.  
> This issue sounds sort of familiar.  I believe I’ve read about a bug like 
> this.
> 
> Lastly, & maybe I should start a new topic for this one, but menus in Safari… 
>  They seem to appear on several different webpages now.  VoiceOver gets stuck 
> inside them and the only way I know how to get out of it, is by VO-m, then 
> escape.  The Verizon Wireless website is especially bad.  I need to VO-m, 
> escape, then quickly navigate to a different part of the site, or VO will 
> focus inside a menu again.  Any suggestions for this?  Maybe there is a way 
> to navigate these menus & I’m unaware of it.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Nisus, Word, or pages?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I found that Word didn't seem to expose tables the same way Pages did. 
For instance, even though I'd see tables in the document body, I'd also 
see those tables outside of the document and I'd be able to work with 
them from there. That just confused me. I am not sure if this has been 
changed or not in Pages, since I am no longer using it.


You can work with tables in Word just fine when I was using 2016, but 
both Pages and Word miss one important capability that I need. I can't 
jump to items included in a table of contents. VoiceOver sees them in 
either application, but I can't find any way to use them.


As of yet, I personally don't find these apps efficient or productive 
enough to use them regularly, but that could either be because I just 
suck at using them, or because I need to change the group mode VoiceOver 
is using. Seeing all those items isn't necessarily efficient if you 
don't need to use them, and I feel that with VoiceOver they get in the 
way. Maybe the content chooser and window spots will be of great help here.


Nicolai

On 10/12/2015 4:04 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi, I’m sorry but i’m not so much into heavy word processing myself so i 
haven’t been able to check into the matter of tables. When i do word processing 
it’s often enough for me to be able to create text with some headers and maybe 
lists.
Sorry i can’t be of more help here.
/Krister


12 okt. 2015 kl. 09:58 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

Have you checked out working with tables in Ms Word on the mac?  it's quite 
often a deal breaker for many of us who need to be able to access tables.

Andrew

On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:53, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

I checked the latest Ms Word and it looks as though something has been fixed 
there. Earlier i wasn’t able at all to read large documents or in fact 
documents over 1 page in length, but now even larger documents can be read. As 
for other bugs i don’t know.
/Krister

11 okt. 2015 kl. 21:57 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

I read in the recent Nisus newsletter that the latest version - el Capitan 
compatible - is going to be submitted to the appstore.  It's a nice app but I 
don't think it supports tables which is a deal for most users.  The only app 
that supports tables is Pages.  I had great hopes for Ms Word on the mac and 
took part in beta testing but since it came out of beta,, it had loads of bugs 
and I ditched it.  I'm talking about Ms Word on the mac not iOS.

On 11 Oct 2015, at 17:48, Christina C.  wrote:

Hello,

I would love some opinions about Word Processing on the Mac with Voice Over.  I 
seem to remember hearing great stuff about Nisus some time back. I looked it up 
in the Mac app store and noticed it hasn’t been updated since 2013. I also have 
seem some recent vague discussion on Office 365 for Mac. Of course, I have 
heard of pages since it’s made by apple.  I am looking for a long term solution 
that is feature rich and easy to use with VoiceOver. I also need the documents 
to be easily convertible for people who are on a PC. Great costumer support is 
also hoped for. :)  I also think it would be super to sync with my iDevices or 
also maybe even transfer to voice Dream Writer and then maybe back again into 
the word Processor of choice.

I’d appreciate any advice or shared experiences.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: one password questions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Yes, it can. If the app has implemented the 1Password extension, you will see a 
1Password icon on the appropriate screens. Of course, if they haven't yet, you 
can always suggest that they do. Of course, in the case of apps that use either 
Twitter or Facebook, you can just enter those details into the settings app 
under Twitter/Facebook, and alert should pop up when you want to log in asking 
if you want to allow permission to that information.

To get an idea of which apps work with 1Password, see here:
https://blog.agilebits.com/1password-apps/

Nicolai
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, Can onePassword automatically log you into iOS apps?  Say, I need to 
> reinter my details into the tv guide app or Twitterrific.  I am not seeing 
> this feature with iCloud Keychain.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I do not know how well it works on Android, although cross-platform is a 
>> huge benefit.
>> 
>> Something I forgot to mention is that you can also share any item you have 
>> in 1Password with someone else. I don't think iCloud Keychain can do that. 
>> 1Password also has vaults you can share with others, like family or 
>> enterprise.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Awesome thanks for that information, I've wondered the difference and you 
>>> have clarified this information.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, several. As an important one, iCloud Keychain only works with Safari, 
>>>> and no other browsers. 1Password supports Safari, Chrome and Firefox, and 
>>>> also works with Safari and Chrome on iOS. While iCloud Keychain doesn't 
>>>> require a master password unlike 1Password, as it can use the built-in 
>>>> authentication frameworks, you can change how frequently you are required 
>>>> to enter the master password. Additionally, you can use Touch ID on iOS.
>>>> 
>>>> Another difference is that iCloud Keychain will automatically fill in 
>>>> logins when you click to log in, although you can simply use a keyboard 
>>>> shortcut for this when using 1Password. It can either submit automatically 
>>>> or simply fill in the appropriate fields without doing anything else. The 
>>>> same applies to iOS, although you'll need to use the Share sheet here with 
>>>> 1Password. Essentially, these are just different ways of doing the same 
>>>> thing.
>>>> 
>>>> 1Password seems to organize everything better, however, as it provides 
>>>> more categories. it isn't just for passwords and credit cards, although if 
>>>> you primarily use Safari on both OS X and iOS and only want to deal with 
>>>> passwords and credit cards, the iCloud Keychain does offer a good user 
>>>> experience. I use 1Password to store passports, credit cards, secure 
>>>> notes, passwords as well as software licenses. I think it has about 17 
>>>> categories to choose from.
>>>> 
>>>> You can also attach files to your passwords and credit cards. I don't 
>>>> believe the iCloud Keychain provides this feature, but if it does, I'm 
>>>> more than happy to be corrected. I have only used it during a very brief 
>>>> time, but those were my impressions of it.
>>>> 
>>>> Nicolai
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What benefits does this program provide over the ability of synchronizing 
>>>>> passwords and credit card information through iCloud? Does one password 
>>>>> and have additional features iCloud doesn't offer?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would take it!  1Password, in my opinion, is a fantastic app. So is 
>>>>>> their browser extension.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use it all the time, both on iOS and

Re: help adding identity to onePassword

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

When interacting with the details table, you can use VO-left and right to get 
to the appropriate field, then interact with it to edit. For instance, there 
are sections for different kinds of information, like identification. Below 
that, you will see First Name. Interact with that, then VO-right to enter your 
name. Keep doing this for each one. You can also tab through them, although the 
labels do not read with VoiceOver this way.

Going to file a request to see if something can be done about that. I've always 
done it by using the VoiceOver cursor, and I rarely tab through, so I didn't 
think about that.

Nicolai
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where I 
> add my name and such. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to 
> get into the fields and enter my information. I’m in the main Password app, 
> not the mini or the web extension.
> 
> I’d appreciate any help with this.
> 
> Christina
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Re: help adding identity to onePassword

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

If you are tabbing through it and end up in date fields like these, you can use 
the VoiceOver keys to adjust it. For example, if it says 10/12/2015, you would 
VO-right until VoiceOver would say October 12, 2015. You usually only have to 
VO-right once. At this point, you can Interact and then use VO-left and right 
to go between month, day and year. Use VO-up and down to adjust the value for 
each  one. When done, hit Esc and move on, however, do note you can't tab 
straight from here into the next field. I recommend you use VO-right to get to 
the next one, and you can tab onwards from here if you like.

I can easily understand why this is confusing. It's also worth noting that as 
you move with the VoiceOver cursor and land on the date fields, you will often 
be taken to the place where you can see the calendar area. When this happens, 
you will hear the sound of a new window opening.

They have already submitted the issue regarding labels, and they will look into 
that.

Nicolai
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That worked. Tabbing didn’t work for me because I could not tell what field I 
> was in, as you stated. I did get stuck in the birthdate area. I  had 
> difficulty figuring out how to fill that part out and just finally got lucky. 
> I’d appreciate any tips on that if you understand the date better than I did. 
> I also seemed to get stuck in there with VO. I finally kept hitting escape a 
> lot of times and then I finally got out of there. I’m just not exactly sure 
> how I got out of there.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> When interacting with the details table, you can use VO-left and right to 
>> get to the appropriate field, then interact with it to edit. For instance, 
>> there are sections for different kinds of information, like identification. 
>> Below that, you will see First Name. Interact with that, then VO-right to 
>> enter your name. Keep doing this for each one. You can also tab through 
>> them, although the labels do not read with VoiceOver this way.
>> 
>> Going to file a request to see if something can be done about that. I've 
>> always done it by using the VoiceOver cursor, and I rarely tab through, so I 
>> didn't think about that.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where 
>>> I add my name and such. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how 
>>> to get into the fields and enter my information. I’m in the main Password 
>>> app, not the mini or the web extension.
>>> 
>>> I’d appreciate any help with this.
>>> 
>>> Christina
>>> 
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Re: Eight terminal utilities every osx command line user should know

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Unfortunately, VoiceOver performance in Terminal still remains lame after all 
the complaints about it. Apple's solution at the time was to implement a 
"Toggle text spoken" feature, which would prevent the VoiceOver cursor from 
moving and switching focus in applications like Terminal. This would mean that 
you could read the output manually, but the VOiceOVer cursor wouldn't move, 
thus preventing anything from being read automatically and moving the focus. To 
get to it, press VO-H-H, then enter spok and it is there.

It's a terrible solution, and shouldn't be necessary, but Apple hasn't sorted 
this out yet. Every time I bug it, that is what they tell me to use.

Nicolai
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Janina Sajka  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for this pointer, Chris. It really is helpful! e.g. I'm one of
> those people the article talks about who were disappointed the locate
> command wasn't available. Well, nice to know it's called mdfind. Next
> task, I suppose, might be to symlink to the familiar name! 
> 
> Too bad that VoiceOver is so lame in the terminal. I have found it most
> useful to ssh into my Mac from within a running Linux VM in order to get
> the superior terminal performance available with Speakup. Pretty cludgy,
> I know. But, it does the trick.
> 
> At home, I simply keep an ssh session from my Linux desktop logged into
> the Mac for the same reason.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Thought this was an interesting article:
>> 
>> http://www.mitchchn.me/2014/os-x-terminal/
>> 
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Re: one password questions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I would take it!  1Password, in my opinion, is a fantastic app. So is their 
browser extension.

I use it all the time, both on iOS and OS X. They are also very open to 
feedback regarding accessibility, and they usually always respond, even on 
Twitter.

Nicolai
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good of 
> a deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing it and 
> I have a couple of questions.
> 
> 1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully 
> accessible, or are some aspects of One password in accessible to voice Over?
> 
> 2. I tried Last Pass quite some time ago but I gave up on it because it 
> seemed to mess up my browsing experience in Safari on the Mac. My cursor 
> would constantly jump around and I would lose focus. All of this stopped once 
> I quit Last Pass. Anyways, does this same problem occur with One Password 
> while in Safari on the Mac?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: A somewhat comical bug that Sooo! needs to be fixed in I O S 9.02.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi

It doesn't seem to happen consistently. If I swap out the word "differently" in 
the example you use with something else, it says it just fine.

Still playing around.

Nicolai
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, first off, this is not the public beta.  I'm speaking of the official I O 
> S build.  that being said, this does happen as well on the beta.  I tested 
> it.  Technically, I probably shouldn't be saying that, but anyway...
>  
> Try this for yourself.
>  
> 1.  Switch your speech to the enhanced quality Symantha voice.  It's the only 
> one where I'm seeing this occur.
>  
> 2.  Type in the word "bit", b i t.  bit.  then, have it read back just the 
> individual word.  Notice that it reads it correctly.
>  
> 3.  Now however, do this.  Type in a full sentence and use the word "bit" b i 
> t, in the middle of the sentence.  Make sure there's at least one word after 
> it in the sentence.
>  
> Now mark?  Do not put me on moderator status here.  We are all? adults here.  
> OK?  I'm not cussing like in my last thread.  I'm quoting a bug here.  I'm 
> not trying to unprofessionally curse.  So, let's be mature about this!  I'm 
> gonna be quite angry if you call me out on this publicly or not.  But 
> seriously, you'll notice, instead of saying bit, it instead says, bitch!  b i 
> t c h.  Like a female dog.
>  
> Example:  I hope it explains things a bit differently, would actually come 
> out as:  I hope it explains things a bitch differently.
>  
> If you read word by word though with your rotor, you'll notice that you did! 
> spell things correctly, and that in all actuality, the word bit, b i t, is 
> written, not the other word.
>  
> Is that! not just totally! bizarre?  If you don't believe me with this, and 
> think I'm only writing this for attention, then, here's your proof:
>  
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/mispronunciation.mp3
>  
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Re: one password questions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi

I do not know how well it works on Android, although cross-platform is a huge 
benefit.

Something I forgot to mention is that you can also share any item you have in 
1Password with someone else. I don't think iCloud Keychain can do that. 
1Password also has vaults you can share with others, like family or enterprise.

Nicolai

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
> 
> Awesome thanks for that information, I've wondered the difference and you 
> have clarified this information.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Yes, several. As an important one, iCloud Keychain only works with Safari, 
>> and no other browsers. 1Password supports Safari, Chrome and Firefox, and 
>> also works with Safari and Chrome on iOS. While iCloud Keychain doesn't 
>> require a master password unlike 1Password, as it can use the built-in 
>> authentication frameworks, you can change how frequently you are required to 
>> enter the master password. Additionally, you can use Touch ID on iOS.
>> 
>> Another difference is that iCloud Keychain will automatically fill in logins 
>> when you click to log in, although you can simply use a keyboard shortcut 
>> for this when using 1Password. It can either submit automatically or simply 
>> fill in the appropriate fields without doing anything else. The same applies 
>> to iOS, although you'll need to use the Share sheet here with 1Password. 
>> Essentially, these are just different ways of doing the same thing.
>> 
>> 1Password seems to organize everything better, however, as it provides more 
>> categories. it isn't just for passwords and credit cards, although if you 
>> primarily use Safari on both OS X and iOS and only want to deal with 
>> passwords and credit cards, the iCloud Keychain does offer a good user 
>> experience. I use 1Password to store passports, credit cards, secure notes, 
>> passwords as well as software licenses. I think it has about 17 categories 
>> to choose from.
>> 
>> You can also attach files to your passwords and credit cards. I don't 
>> believe the iCloud Keychain provides this feature, but if it does, I'm more 
>> than happy to be corrected. I have only used it during a very brief time, 
>> but those were my impressions of it.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What benefits does this program provide over the ability of synchronizing 
>>> passwords and credit card information through iCloud? Does one password and 
>>> have additional features iCloud doesn't offer?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> I would take it!  1Password, in my opinion, is a fantastic app. So is 
>>>> their browser extension.
>>>> 
>>>> I use it all the time, both on iOS and OS X. They are also very open to 
>>>> feedback regarding accessibility, and they usually always respond, even on 
>>>> Twitter.
>>>> 
>>>> Nicolai
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good 
>>>>> of a deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing 
>>>>> it and I have a couple of questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully 
>>>>> accessible, or are some aspects of One password in accessible to voice 
>>>>> Over?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. I tried Last Pass quite some time ago but I gave up on it because it 
>>>>> seemed to mess up my browsing experience in Safari on the Mac. My cursor 
>>>>> would constantly jump around and I would lose focus. All of this stopped 
>>>>> once I quit Last Pass. Anyways, does this same problem occur with One 
>>>>> Password while in Safari on the Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Christina
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Re: one password questions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Yes, several. As an important one, iCloud Keychain only works with Safari, and 
no other browsers. 1Password supports Safari, Chrome and Firefox, and also 
works with Safari and Chrome on iOS. While iCloud Keychain doesn't require a 
master password unlike 1Password, as it can use the built-in authentication 
frameworks, you can change how frequently you are required to enter the master 
password. Additionally, you can use Touch ID on iOS.

Another difference is that iCloud Keychain will automatically fill in logins 
when you click to log in, although you can simply use a keyboard shortcut for 
this when using 1Password. It can either submit automatically or simply fill in 
the appropriate fields without doing anything else. The same applies to iOS, 
although you'll need to use the Share sheet here with 1Password. Essentially, 
these are just different ways of doing the same thing.

1Password seems to organize everything better, however, as it provides more 
categories. it isn't just for passwords and credit cards, although if you 
primarily use Safari on both OS X and iOS and only want to deal with passwords 
and credit cards, the iCloud Keychain does offer a good user experience. I use 
1Password to store passports, credit cards, secure notes, passwords as well as 
software licenses. I think it has about 17 categories to choose from.

You can also attach files to your passwords and credit cards. I don't believe 
the iCloud Keychain provides this feature, but if it does, I'm more than happy 
to be corrected. I have only used it during a very brief time, but those were 
my impressions of it.

Nicolai
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
> 
> What benefits does this program provide over the ability of synchronizing 
> passwords and credit card information through iCloud? Does one password and 
> have additional features iCloud doesn't offer?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would take it!  1Password, in my opinion, is a fantastic app. So is their 
>> browser extension.
>> 
>> I use it all the time, both on iOS and OS X. They are also very open to 
>> feedback regarding accessibility, and they usually always respond, even on 
>> Twitter.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good 
>>> of a deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing 
>>> it and I have a couple of questions.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully 
>>> accessible, or are some aspects of One password in accessible to voice Over?
>>> 
>>> 2. I tried Last Pass quite some time ago but I gave up on it because it 
>>> seemed to mess up my browsing experience in Safari on the Mac. My cursor 
>>> would constantly jump around and I would lose focus. All of this stopped 
>>> once I quit Last Pass. Anyways, does this same problem occur with One 
>>> Password while in Safari on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> 
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Re: Change language for the osx system on the mac.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Just to clarify, It is not actually necessary to remove preferred languages.

All that is really required is that you drag the language you want to use above 
the currently preferred languages, then quit System Preferences and restart to 
make the changes take affect everywhere.

To do this, you could interact with the preferred languages table, then VO-down 
to the language you want. Of course, make sure to add it here first by using 
the appropriate button. Then, you can press VO-Comma to mark it for drag and 
drop and VO-left to the primary language currently set. Once at the top of the 
list where your primary language should be, press VO-period to drop it there.

Then, just press CMD-Q to quit and restart.

I just tried this out to see if it still works the same way, and it does. Good 
luck!

Nicolai
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> when you have added a new language you have to delete the other language 
> because it will not apply the changes. after you do that, quit system 
> preferences, then your computer will ask you to restart your computer.
>> On 04 Oct 2015, at 5:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't tried this because I don't use other languages, but did you try 
>> command-up or command-down? If not, there's another way to drag that I have 
>> to use a lot in Xcode which may work here. Of course, the usual dragging 
>> method (vo-comma to drag, vo-period to drop) may work as well.
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 11:42, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> How do i change the language in osx?
>>> I know i can go to system prefs and then i should go to language and region 
>>> and in  that dialog i can drag the prefered language to the top but how do 
>>> i drag an item with voiceover?
>>> /A
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Re: unlocking my mac with my iPhone

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I'm guessing you're talking about MacID from

http://macid.co/

Maybe?

Nicolai
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> can somebody please remind me of the name of the app that I need to get both 
> on my  mac as well as on my iPhone to be able to unlock my mac from using my 
> iPhone?
> 
> I know that applevis has a podcast that explains how this is done, but I just 
> do not remember the name of the app to save my life.
> 
> It's one of these things I never thought that I would use, but the more and 
> more I think about it, the more useful it sounds like it might be.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: unlocking my mac with my iPhone

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I think there is a review of it up there, but I don't follow Applevis that 
closely. However, it does what you want, at any rate.

Nicolai
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the one that was reviewed on Applevis?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Nicolai Svendsen" <chojiro1...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: unlocking my mac with my iPhone
> 
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm guessing you're talking about MacID from
>> 
>> http://macid.co/
>> 
>> Maybe?
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> can somebody please remind me of the name of the app that I need to get 
>>> both on my  mac as well as on my iPhone to be able to unlock my mac from 
>>> using my iPhone?
>>> 
>>> I know that applevis has a podcast that explains how this is done, but I 
>>> just do not remember the name of the app to save my life.
>>> 
>>> It's one of these things I never thought that I would use, but the more and 
>>> more I think about it, the more useful it sounds like it might be.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: cannot restart into windows

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Have you actually made sure to unlock your system preferences by choosing the 
"Click lock to make changes" button?

If not, that usually causes them to be dimmed. First thing that came to mind.

Nicolai
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried selecting the startup drive in System Preferences and not in 
> Bootcamp preferences?
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Juan Hernandez > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  
>> I just upgraded my macbook pro from os x 10.10 to 10.11.  I now cannot 
>> restart from the system prefs àstartup drive – bootcamp selector.  When I 
>> interact with the radio button controls of bootcamp or the mac os x drive, 
>> they are dimmed.  Has anyone seen this issue?  If yes can this be fixed? Or 
>> must I go into windows via the pressing option key at startup method?
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Juan
>>  
>>  
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Re: cannot restart into windows

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi

Sometimes, you're required to unlock with a password to change preferences. 
It's always been there, but I can't remember if it used to be required in that 
category previously.

Nicolai
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
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> That is where I am at.  System preferences -> startup drive -> select startup 
> drive.
>  
> I am going to try the lock/unlock thing.  I didn’t see that.  Is that a new 
> os x 10.11 feature?  That wasn’t there on 10.10 before.
>  
> Best,
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  
> Have you tried selecting the startup drive in System Preferences and not in 
> Bootcamp preferences?
>  
> Shawn
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>>  
>> Hi All,
>>  
>> I just upgraded my macbook pro from os x 10.10 to 10.11.  I now cannot 
>> restart from the system prefs àstartup drive – bootcamp selector.  When I 
>> interact with the radio button controls of bootcamp or the mac os x drive, 
>> they are dimmed.  Has anyone seen this issue?  If yes can this be fixed? Or 
>> must I go into windows via the pressing option key at startup method?
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Juan
>>  
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Re: Awful Mail Bug in El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I haven't actually seen this at all. Well, I saw it once, and then it 
disappeared on its own. I use iCloud, Yahoo and Gmail, as well as some Exchange.

Just goes to show bugs aren't always consistently reproduced. :)

Nicolai
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Yep, its a "rock solid" bug. :)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:13 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I'm experiencing the same bug.
>>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having this issue in mail in El Capitan? While going through 
>>> this list and deleting messages, I am constantly getting error messages 
>>> that mail cannot move messages to the trash. Strange why not and very 
>>> annoying. Quitting mail causes me to get a ton of these messages and I had 
>>> to force quit mail to end.
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Re: El Capitan Is Here

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

A majority of the serious bugs I can't even reproduce, and only all moderate 
bugs appear here. Only five minor bugs, and those are easy to deal with. Even 
the supposed "serious" bugs I can reproduce rarely actually happen, and it's 
far from a showstopper.

For instance, audio ducking. I only see this particular issue when an 
application sound plays just as VoiceOVer speaks, and even then, it's very 
rare. Obviously some computers might have more of these bugs more easily 
reproduced, although so far, that hasn't been so much the case on the multiple 
macs I've tried this on, going down to a 2008 MacBook.

So I agree for the most part with what is being said here. It's important to 
know how easily these bugs are actually to reproduce, but if you're just your 
average consumer and the bug sounds horrible, you're not going to upgrade 
because you have no idea whether it'll happen on a near constant basis. I think 
this is an important distinction to make. It's a lot easier to live with a 
serious bug that only occurs maybe once or twice in 24 hours, as opposed to 
always.

I certainly don't see this much negativity when new JAWS or NVDA releases come 
out, but as soon as the screen reader is included in the operating system, 
everyone is all over it. There's always a new set of bugs everywhere, and bugs 
come and go. Unfortunately, VoiceOver bugs do seem to take a backseat on quite 
a few occasions, but a lot of them do eventually get ironed out in later 
releases. The Mac doesn't bite. :)

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> same here, i don't see any major bugs. and i love it. audio dosking is not 
> happening here as the first beta. 
>> On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs.  The 
>> whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid of 
>> their machines.  None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if you 
>> have a good backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do.  No guts, 
>> no glory!
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called 
>>> names but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, 
>>> the things that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs and 
>>> the negative? If by chance there would be things that actually could effect 
>>> us positively that would hardly be mentioned at all and if they are, they 
>>> quickly drown in the negative comments. I have used El Capitan from Beta 1 
>>> and am loving it! I’ve noticed one bug but i can live with it since it was 
>>> much, much worse in the developer betas. I can’t remember this much 
>>> negativity coming when windows or new jaws releases came along, it’s like 
>>> Apple still is the under dog and it has to be perfect and even then we’d 
>>> probably find something that’s not right.
>>> But why should anyone listen i’m a minority and go against what the 
>>> majority says so i must be wrong by default.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 30 sep. 2015 kl. 19:56 skrev Alex Hall :
 
 Hi all,
 Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug 
 list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there 
 are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a 
 podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links:
 
 Bug List:
 http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor
 
 New Features Blog:
 http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users
 
 New Features Podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan
 
 I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a little 
 arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a single 
 place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the only 
 accessibility-centric sources I know of for now.
 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

I was going to say. You're not going to really get anything good out of this. 
The best solution honestly is a virtual environment. Getting it to work with 
Wine might be doable, but finding out whether an application will work with 
Wine, then tweaking it to work correctly is incredibly tedious. I've found 
through personal experience that most of the time, if it isn't in the Wine 
AppDB, it isn't worth the effort.

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a macport, but to run the windows app plus a screen reader for 
> Windows that would allow it to speak accessibly is pretty much a nogo.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.
> 
> 
> You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as I 
> understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
> virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.
> 
> Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
>> 
>> what about whine?
>> 
>> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:50 AM
>>> Subject: Running windows programs on the mac.
>>> 
>>> 
 Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: OSX 10.11

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

You can already do this with a service that's in OS X, actually. You 
technically don't need apps for this. As far as I have seen, though, Audiobook 
Builder only works with audio files to turn them into books. Still, you could 
use the OS X service in conjunction with the app to merge the files, or make 
chapter stops.

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> will audio bookbuilder take text files and turn them into synthic speech 
> files?
> 
> On 10/1/2015 9:18 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Cocktail is a general-purpose utility that assists with cleaning, repairing 
>> and optimizing your Mac. It has a bunch of tweaks, and can also be scheduled 
>> to perform various tasks like cleaning up caches.
>> 
>> Audiobook Builder is exactly what it sounds. It lets you take files and make 
>> them into audiobooks. It has a lot of features, too, although I don't use it 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Jeff, you may want to grab the new Cocktail build specifically for El 
>> Capitan here:
>> 
>> http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what is cocktail, and audio book builder?
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/2015 8:10 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>>> Hi I was trying to open: cocktail, audio book builder, and even google
>>>> chrome was acting funny. Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/1/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera <dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> can i ask what apps are you trying to open?
>>>>>> On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:10 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, Well, last night I upgraded to 10.11. Everything seemed to go
>>>>>> smoothly, but half of my apps won't open, or they open saying they
>>>>>> have no windows. I tried to copy the contents of my downloads folder
>>>>>> onto a thumb drive and once I opened my thumb drive paste wouldn't
>>>>>> work. I then tried to reboot into windows using bootchamp but it won't
>>>>>> work. So, I guess I'll be going back to yosemite, but my question is:
>>>>>> can I go to the app store, click on purchased, and download yosemite
>>>>>> and install it? Or, do I have to wipe my system and start from
>>>>>> scratch?
>>>>>> Thanks, Jeff
>>>>>> 
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Re: OSX 10.11

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Cocktail is a general-purpose utility that assists with cleaning, repairing and 
optimizing your Mac. It has a bunch of tweaks, and can also be scheduled to 
perform various tasks like cleaning up caches.

Audiobook Builder is exactly what it sounds. It lets you take files and make 
them into audiobooks. It has a lot of features, too, although I don't use it 
myself.

Jeff, you may want to grab the new Cocktail build specifically for El Capitan 
here:

http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> what is cocktail, and audio book builder?
> 
> On 10/1/2015 8:10 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi I was trying to open: cocktail, audio book builder, and even google
>> chrome was acting funny. Jeff
>> 
>> On 10/1/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
>>> can i ask what apps are you trying to open?
 On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:10 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
 
 Hi, Well, last night I upgraded to 10.11. Everything seemed to go
 smoothly, but half of my apps won't open, or they open saying they
 have no windows. I tried to copy the contents of my downloads folder
 onto a thumb drive and once I opened my thumb drive paste wouldn't
 work. I then tried to reboot into windows using bootchamp but it won't
 work. So, I guess I'll be going back to yosemite, but my question is:
 can I go to the app store, click on purchased, and download yosemite
 and install it? Or, do I have to wipe my system and start from
 scratch?
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Re: OSX 10.11

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Anne

Yes, this was exactly what I was referring to. I didn't mention Terminal 
because some people aren't comfortable with it because it requires extremely 
accurate instructions.

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The service Nicolai was referring to, I believe, is Add to iTunes as a spoken 
> track. It’s easy to use and you can select the voice you want. I always 
> advise people to activate this service and set a short cut for it in System 
> Preferences.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2015, at 17:09, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In terminal, do a "man say" find out all about the say command. You can just 
>> type "say bob" and it will speak "bob" with the default voice. The man page 
>> has options to have say take input from a text file and output to an audio 
>> file.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 10/1/15 10:29 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You can already do this with a service that's in OS X, actually. You 
>>> technically don't need apps for this. As far as I have seen, though, 
>>> Audiobook Builder only works with audio files to turn them into books. 
>>> Still, you could use the OS X service in conjunction with the app to merge 
>>> the files, or make chapter stops.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> will audio bookbuilder take text files and turn them into synthic speech 
>>>> files?
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/1/2015 9:18 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cocktail is a general-purpose utility that assists with cleaning, 
>>>>> repairing and optimizing your Mac. It has a bunch of tweaks, and can also 
>>>>> be scheduled to perform various tasks like cleaning up caches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Audiobook Builder is exactly what it sounds. It lets you take files and 
>>>>> make them into audiobooks. It has a lot of features, too, although I 
>>>>> don't use it myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff, you may want to grab the new Cocktail build specifically for El 
>>>>> Capitan here:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nicolai
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> what is cocktail, and audio book builder?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/1/2015 8:10 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi I was trying to open: cocktail, audio book builder, and even google
>>>>>>> chrome was acting funny. Jeff
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/1/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera <dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> can i ask what apps are you trying to open?
>>>>>>>>> On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:10 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Well, last night I upgraded to 10.11. Everything seemed to go
>>>>>>>>> smoothly, but half of my apps won't open, or they open saying they
>>>>>>>>> have no windows. I tried to copy the contents of my downloads folder
>>>>>>>>> onto a thumb drive and once I opened my thumb drive paste wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> work. I then tried to reboot into windows using bootchamp but it won't
>>>>>>>>> work. So, I guess I'll be going back to yosemite, but my question is:
>>>>>>>>> can I go to the app store, click on purchased, and download yosemite
>>>>>>>>> and install it? Or, do I have to wipe my system and start from
>>>>>>>>> scratch?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jeff
>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: i cant find the update to the new mac operating system in the app store.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I found it pretty easily just by doing an actual search in the App Store.

Nicolai

On 9/30/2015 4:11 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

I found it on their news publication (press release) page and simply downloaded 
it.

-eric

On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:


Eventually it will appear on the Updates tab as well as a free upgrade.

You can update your Yosemite system without installing El Capitan, if that is 
what you want.

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Thanks for the clarification those in the know. It does make sense, but 
my point still stands. Since there is no policy document sent to you, or 
located anywhere as far as I can see, the description should still be 
changed to reflect that this is a list on which all Apple products can 
be discussed. Otherwise, it's just going to be confusing for those 
joining the list, since searching to find the thread is pure hell, and 
that's if you actually know about the change.


It's fine that it's all become a list for all the products now, since 
they are so closely merged at this point, but the description hasn't 
even been changed to make new users aware of this. That just seems very 
sloppy to me, seeing as you can change both name and description for 
Google Groups. It doesn't really matter if the name stays the same, as 
long as the description takes into account the merging between products.


That's my only concern.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 9:40 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the moderator 
Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and "all things 
Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X etc. it makes a good 
deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are all integrated and work seamlessly 
with each other. That is their intent, and so this list takes questions regarding all 
things Apple. There was a list devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that 
has gone the way of the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.

Sent from my IPhone



On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is rather 
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
after all.

Nicolai


On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the 
home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a 
list with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially 
since we have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, 
though, and if both are allowed now the description should probably be 
changed. The name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related 
discussions is OK here.


Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
Macvisionaries after all.


Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.




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Re: accessible blogging software for mac

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Yes! This is what I use as well, from
http://www.red-sweater.com
I have also heard that MacJournal works well with VoiceOver from here:
http://marinersoftware.com/products/macjournal/

Those are definitely some options. Anyone feel free to correct me on 
MacJournal. I heard good things about it and tried it very briefly, but did not 
find it compelling enough to switch away from MarsEdit.

Nicolai
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Mars edit works pretty well with VoiceOver. 
> 
> Yours truly, 
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> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: Text navigation and selection was Re: macbook pro command

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Just a correction. To select everything, it's command-a. I'm sure we all knew 
that, though, but just in case. :)

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 4:57 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

 Hi,  Here are the text navigation and selection commands.
 Move left and right one letter, left and right arrow.
 Move left and right one word, option left and right arrow.
 Move to the beginning or end of the line, control left and right arrow.
 move to the previous or next line, up and down arrow.
 move to the next or previous paragraph option down or up arrow.
 Move to the top or bottom of the document command up or down arrow.
 
 To select text add shift to any of these commands.  IE, to select the next 
 word, press option shift right arrow.  To select from the insertion point to 
 the end of the line, press control shift right arrow.  To select the next 
 paragraph, press option shift down arrow.  You get the idea.
 
 To select everything in the text area, press control A.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
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 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2010-12-13, at 10:37 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
 Hello Nick,
 On 13 Dec 2010, at 16:30, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote:
 
 This is true although it doesn't always work, at least not for me...
 
 In fact, it always works, but it is a visual effect and none of the cursors 
 move so there's nothing we can do with VoiceOver to get to what the screen 
 is showing.
 
 I only know this because I got my sighted husband to look at what happens.
 
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Re: Text navigation and selection was Re: macbook pro command

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Just as a correction. It is command-a to select everything in a document, 
table, etc, and not control-a. :) A very important distinction.

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 4:57 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

 Hi,  Here are the text navigation and selection commands.
 Move left and right one letter, left and right arrow.
 Move left and right one word, option left and right arrow.
 Move to the beginning or end of the line, control left and right arrow.
 move to the previous or next line, up and down arrow.
 move to the next or previous paragraph option down or up arrow.
 Move to the top or bottom of the document command up or down arrow.
 
 To select text add shift to any of these commands.  IE, to select the next 
 word, press option shift right arrow.  To select from the insertion point to 
 the end of the line, press control shift right arrow.  To select the next 
 paragraph, press option shift down arrow.  You get the idea.
 
 To select everything in the text area, press control A.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2010-12-13, at 10:37 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
 Hello Nick,
 On 13 Dec 2010, at 16:30, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote:
 
 This is true although it doesn't always work, at least not for me...
 
 In fact, it always works, but it is a visual effect and none of the cursors 
 move so there's nothing we can do with VoiceOver to get to what the screen 
 is showing.
 
 I only know this because I got my sighted husband to look at what happens.
 
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Re: Skype fishing scam

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Hi!

Yep, I see the same until I realized Skype had for some reason changed my 
settings back. One tried to send me a .exe file, claiming there was a picture 
inside. The same contact sent me a .zip file later, claiming that inside, there 
were hundreds of naked pictures of her in various positions.

Of course, I think it's sad that some take advantage of PC-users this way, but 
I couldn't help but chuckle slightly over the fact I'm  not running WIndows. 
It's sad just the same, though. Part of me wonders when we will see this on our 
Macs.

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:49 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 I see this at least three times daily.  I mean every day!!!  It's clear 
 somebody's trying to infect Pc's and taking  advantage of the naivety of many 
 PC users.  I think that's sad.
 
 
 Sincerely, 
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype Name:
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 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:37 PM, louie wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I went to skype history today and I found a fishing message.
 The message was talking about a patch for windows, ofcource this is a Mac.
 Any one have this happen to them?
 
 louie
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Re: location of trash folder

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Hi!

An easier way is to use the Terminal to do this. A command such as this one 
will do it.
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE

Then, kill the Finder to apply the changes. Simply replace TRUE with FALSE 
to reverse.

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 the trash folder is in your home folder. All you have to do is to make hidden 
 items visible. You can do this for example by using TinkerTool. But I'm sure 
 there are many other possible tools for doing this.
 
 Regards 
 Jürgen
 
 
 Am 11.12.2010 um 19:22 schrieb Jonathan Cohn:
 
 On removeable storage, i have seen a .trasheshs in the root directory
 of the partitation. The dot at the begining of the name is Unix way of
 hiding files. IT mmight be that hfs has acompletely different method.
 For example, alias file on HFS disk, will track changes when the linked
 file is renamed or moved. Certainly some resources are altered on
 trashed files.
 
 Sent from my Windows Mobile phone
 
 From: Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:18 PM
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 Subject: location of trash folder
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 I know it's on the dock by default, but where is the trash folder
 actually located on my Mac?
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Re: vm fusion or bootcamp

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Hi!

What do you mean that the boot process isn't accessible? I haven't seen any 
trouble so far.

Also, the downside to Fusion is that, if you don't allocate the proper amount 
of memory to your system, you will get what is called a memory swap. This 
means that Mac OS X and your virtual machine will be fighting for your RAM, 
though this is mostly noticeable when running Windows as a virtual machine. In 
Bootcamp, you do not run into this kind of limitation and your Mac can use all 
your system resources, ensuring maximum efficiency. So, given how quickly your 
Windows operating system actually boots, it won't really matter much, 
especially not if you find a way to transfer files between both systems if Mac 
OS X is shut down. There are several possibilities for this.

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On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

 Go with fusion, I use it my self and love it.
 
 Fusion allows you to run both windows and your Mac OSX environment at the 
 same time.  Boot Camp only allows you to use one at a time.  Also, the boot 
 process with boot camp isn't accessible I don't believe.  I don't think it's 
 impossible to use but it's not as clean.  Fusion also allows you to run other 
 operating systems as a VM including your favorite *nix flavors.
 
 As for the audio, the latest release leveld out the gain between the Mac and 
 the VM sound so it's more smooth and your Voice over doesn't swamp out JFW as 
 an example.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
 
 I'm thinking I am going to put windows on my mac.  IS vm fusion better than 
 bootcamp?  Do I have to buy another copy of windows if I don't have a 
 windows install disk anywhere?  Can I still get xp cheaper if I do?  There 
 was some mention of audio problems with vm fusion.  Is the audio now 
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Re: safari alternatives? was, Re: mac vs jfw

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Well, Mozilla is already aware and working on it. In fact, if you get the 
Firefox source, you can enable some accessibility features and some of it will 
work. It's pretty limited, but it's a step forward.

Unfortunately, adding accessibility to Firefox is a lot more complex than you 
might think. That's why it's taking a very long time to complete. Also, last I 
heard, they needed help to finish their work as there is apparently not enough 
Mac people to work on it.

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On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

 unfortunately, no. firefox and opera are both inaccessible when using VO.
 
 I have sent off a small screen capture video to both mozilla )makers of 
 firefox) and opera. I hope it has a much more desired effect than all the 
 e-mails I have sent.
 
 -Eric
 
 On Dec 5, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote:
 
 If you don't want to use safari, are there other options for the mac, like 
 firefox?
 
 Caitlyn
 
 
 On 03/12/2010 7:46 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 I'd like to make one personal comment here which is that I'm using Safari 
 more and more not just to get information but am now buying on line with it 
 more and I prefer it as it's easier than IE unless the websites don't want 
 to work with Safari There are a lot of them still.
 
 Kawal.
 On 4 Dec 2010, at 00:26, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi Rick:
 First thing is first, ifyou switch, you need to throw your Windows and 
 Jaws knowledge out the Window. Remember, this is a new operating system, 
 so you have to start from the ground up. You can go to 
 www.blindcooltch.com, and download all podcasts by Mike Arrigo. He does a 
 very good job of explaining the Mac.
 Now for my personal opinions. Besides price, the main thing is the Mac, 
 and voiceover are very stable. I haven't had any freezes/crashes. I 
 especially like using Safari because you can get a true sense of how the 
 webpage is actually laid out from a sighted perspective. I can do 
 everything on my Mac, that I was able to do on Windows, including using my 
 Tivo.
 HTH,
 
 
 Sarai Bucciarelli
 Personal to win Amazon and other free gift cards, Come join me on 
 www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia
 
 On Dec 3, 2010, at 2:03 PM, richard watson wrote:
 
 Good afternoon,
 my name is rick watson. Currently I have a 7 year old hp pc running
 windows xp media center and jaws for windows. I also have an iphone
 3gs and love it!
 Because I realize that it is going to come time to replace the pc I am
 considering a mac.
 most uses include media, word processing, email, spreadsheets and web.
 anyone like to give me the pros and cons other than the obvious of price.
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Re: mac vs jfw

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Definitely agree with this. In fact, I hear that the Mac OS X 10.7, Lion, is 
going to be a sort of business addition.  Of course, I'm sure we all remember 
the truly amazing feature, but it sounds slightly illogical that VoiceOver 
wouldn't handle tables properly in documents eventually.

While VoiceOver actually does handle tables just fine, VoiceOver does not 
announce them. That seems to be the  big issue, and it is nice to know what 
cells you're working with.

If you are going to buy a Mac, though, you could go ahead and do it before  
Lion is released. I have to wonder if Apple will do what they did with Snow 
Leopard and lower the price for some Mac owners who purchased a Mac within a 
certain period.

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On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 If you can wait another 6 months, Mac 9S X 10.7 (Lion) will probably be out 
 by then and it will come free with your new Mac.  This will have even more 
 VoiceOver goodies installed.  Of course, if you do not want to wait that 
 long, you can always upgrade your OS when Lion comes out, the beauty of the 
 Mac is even blind users can install an OS without sighted assistance.
 
 I much prefer surfing on my Mac as I can whizz around web pages much quicker 
 then  I can on Windows with JAWS.  Plus VoiceOver is more stable.
 
 Web browsing, Email and Skype and iTunes work very well with VoiceOver on the 
 Mac.  My only gripe is that Office for Mac is not accessible, that really 
 would be the cherry on the cake for me.  And it would be nice if some music 
 packages were as accessible as Reaper and Sonar are on Windows, but the Mac 
 is steadily coming along in those areas.
 
 Chris 
 On 4 Dec 2010, at 07:15, Isaac Obie wrote:
 
 Hi Rick,
 Spreadsheets? You'd best go with a Macbook pro or an imac! Imacs are 
 powerful and can handle what you're doing..
 Isaac
 - Original Message - From: richard watson 
 richard.watson15...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:03 PM
 Subject: mac vs jfw
 
 
 Good afternoon,
 my name is rick watson. Currently I have a 7 year old hp pc running
 windows xp media center and jaws for windows. I also have an iphone
 3gs and love it!
 Because I realize that it is going to come time to replace the pc I am
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 most uses include media, word processing, email, spreadsheets and web.
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Re: mac vs jfw

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Oriol,

You most likely will have to get it at an Apple Store. However, you can 
probably pre-order the DVD in advance  online at some point, and this is 
actually very doable through the store itself.

It's not going to be a digital download. Well, really, I can't say, but I can't 
imagine since you need to actually restart your Mac to install the upgrade. Of 
course, if there was a way to push it through Software Update, no one knows. 
But that'd be highly inconvenient if you have to actually reinstall Mac OS X 
10.7.

I'd gamble on a DVD as usual for the moment.

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On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

 I have a question about this actually. I'm getting a mac this
 christmas. Can I buy mac OS 10.7 as a digital download or am I forced
 to go to the apple store to get it?
 
 On 12/4/10, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Definitely agree with this. In fact, I hear that the Mac OS X 10.7, Lion, is
 going to be a sort of business addition.  Of course, I'm sure we all
 remember the truly amazing feature, but it sounds slightly illogical that
 VoiceOver wouldn't handle tables properly in documents eventually.
 
 While VoiceOver actually does handle tables just fine, VoiceOver does not
 announce them. That seems to be the  big issue, and it is nice to know what
 cells you're working with.
 
 If you are going to buy a Mac, though, you could go ahead and do it before
 Lion is released. I have to wonder if Apple will do what they did with Snow
 Leopard and lower the price for some Mac owners who purchased a Mac within a
 certain period.
 
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 On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 If you can wait another 6 months, Mac 9S X 10.7 (Lion) will probably be
 out by then and it will come free with your new Mac.  This will have even
 more VoiceOver goodies installed.  Of course, if you do not want to wait
 that long, you can always upgrade your OS when Lion comes out, the beauty
 of the Mac is even blind users can install an OS without sighted
 assistance.
 
 I much prefer surfing on my Mac as I can whizz around web pages much
 quicker then  I can on Windows with JAWS.  Plus VoiceOver is more stable.
 
 Web browsing, Email and Skype and iTunes work very well with VoiceOver on
 the Mac.  My only gripe is that Office for Mac is not accessible, that
 really would be the cherry on the cake for me.  And it would be nice if
 some music packages were as accessible as Reaper and Sonar are on Windows,
 but the Mac is steadily coming along in those areas.
 
 Chris
 On 4 Dec 2010, at 07:15, Isaac Obie wrote:
 
 Hi Rick,
 Spreadsheets? You'd best go with a Macbook pro or an imac! Imacs are
 powerful and can handle what you're doing..
 Isaac
 - Original Message - From: richard watson
 richard.watson15...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:03 PM
 Subject: mac vs jfw
 
 
 Good afternoon,
 my name is rick watson. Currently I have a 7 year old hp pc running
 windows xp media center and jaws for windows. I also have an iphone
 3gs and love it!
 Because I realize that it is going to come time to replace the pc I am
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 most uses include media, word processing, email, spreadsheets and web.
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 price.
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Re: mac vs jfw

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi again,

Oh, and to add to that. Perhaps the Mac APp Store, as that is due to arrive 
soon, apparently. That might actually be a convenient method, given that I 
believe the Mac App Store will actually be imbedded into Mac OS X 10.7, 
possibly allowing you to authorize the installation within the setup wizard. Of 
course, the ability to grab the file and put it somewhere, then allowing it to 
become bootable would be necessary after that, but I don't see why not.

Yes, I know this is just speculative thinking. But I guess anything is possible 
right now. You never know! I'd certainly like not to have boxes lying around 
with my installation DVDs, and at least, that way I don't have to worry about 
losing them not that I'm going to.

As for running Bootcamp, do be aware if you are going to be using 64-bit and 
the Bootcamp on your Snow Leopard DVD. The DVD will actually claim it will not 
work, but it will if you use CMD on Windows. I do not know if you can grab the 
Bootcamp 3.1 of Apple's website, then apply it directly without possessing 3.0. 
I seem to get a crash every time I just install 3.1 updating from  3.0 though, 
oddly enough. Of course, the fact I forced my way passed Apple's 64-bit 
lockdown may have something to do with it, but otherwise, it works fine.

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On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hello Oriol,
 
 You most likely will have to get it at an Apple Store. However, you can 
 probably pre-order the DVD in advance  online at some point, and this is 
 actually very doable through the store itself.
 
 It's not going to be a digital download. Well, really, I can't say, but I 
 can't imagine since you need to actually restart your Mac to install the 
 upgrade. Of course, if there was a way to push it through Software Update, no 
 one knows. But that'd be highly inconvenient if you have to actually 
 reinstall Mac OS X 10.7.
 
 I'd gamble on a DVD as usual for the moment.
 
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 On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
 
 I have a question about this actually. I'm getting a mac this
 christmas. Can I buy mac OS 10.7 as a digital download or am I forced
 to go to the apple store to get it?
 
 On 12/4/10, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Definitely agree with this. In fact, I hear that the Mac OS X 10.7, Lion, is
 going to be a sort of business addition.  Of course, I'm sure we all
 remember the truly amazing feature, but it sounds slightly illogical that
 VoiceOver wouldn't handle tables properly in documents eventually.
 
 While VoiceOver actually does handle tables just fine, VoiceOver does not
 announce them. That seems to be the  big issue, and it is nice to know what
 cells you're working with.
 
 If you are going to buy a Mac, though, you could go ahead and do it before
 Lion is released. I have to wonder if Apple will do what they did with Snow
 Leopard and lower the price for some Mac owners who purchased a Mac within a
 certain period.
 
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 On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 If you can wait another 6 months, Mac 9S X 10.7 (Lion) will probably be
 out by then and it will come free with your new Mac.  This will have even
 more VoiceOver goodies installed.  Of course, if you do not want to wait
 that long, you can always upgrade your OS when Lion comes out, the beauty
 of the Mac is even blind users can install an OS without sighted
 assistance.
 
 I much prefer surfing on my Mac as I can whizz around web pages much
 quicker then  I can on Windows with JAWS.  Plus VoiceOver is more stable.
 
 Web browsing, Email and Skype and iTunes work very well with VoiceOver on
 the Mac.  My only gripe is that Office for Mac is not accessible, that
 really would be the cherry on the cake for me.  And it would be nice if
 some music packages were as accessible as Reaper and Sonar are on Windows,
 but the Mac is steadily coming along in those areas.
 
 Chris
 On 4 Dec 2010, at 07:15, Isaac Obie wrote:
 
 Hi Rick,
 Spreadsheets? You'd best go with a Macbook pro or an imac! Imacs are
 powerful and can handle what you're doing..
 Isaac
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 my name is rick watson. Currently I have a 7 year old hp pc running
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi kevin,

That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 at 
the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.

Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I a, 
though.

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

 The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
 of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
 before VoiceOver was there.
 
 Kev
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
 Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
 drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but 
 I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
 like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to 
 at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  
 Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many 
 questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
 the device you connect to it.
 
 On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote:
 Scott,
 
 Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
 with a picture and such.
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
 the version with an internal hard drive.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
 
 I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
 The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
 harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
 
 Kevin,
 The requested information is attached.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
 So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
 yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
 remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
 (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
 fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
 anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
 up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
 hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
 learnings.
 
 Kev
 
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Kevin,

I've always been curious as to what the TV is really for. I want one just to 
have one, but since Denmark doesn't even have movies anymore much less rentals, 
I'm not sure it'd even be useful.

I'm tempted to buy one just to have one, but not sure if it'd even be worth it 
for me. I guess by the time we finally get an accessible TV that talks, I'd be 
happy. I like channels more than renting my movies. I don't mind renting at 
all, but sometimes, I just like to flick through channels and attempt to find 
something that isn't garbage.

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

 Thats true. This one was shipped from China or just outside of Hong Kong. 
 Once the update was applied, it worked like gang busters. Now I just have to 
 figure out how to switch between the different inputs on the TV.
 
 Kev
 On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi kevin,
 
 That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 
 at the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.
 
 Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
 applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I 
 a, though.
 
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 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
 The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
 of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
 before VoiceOver was there.
 
 Kev
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
 Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
 drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, 
 but I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this 
 looks like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I 
 want to at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak 
 menus?  Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for 
 so many questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff 
 straight, LOL!
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
 the device you connect to it.
 
 On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote:
 Scott,
 
 Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real 
 tv
 with a picture and such.
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
 the version with an internal hard drive.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
 
 I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
 The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
 harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
 
 Kevin,
 The requested information is attached.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
 So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
 yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
 remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
 (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
 fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
 anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
 up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
 hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
 learnings.
 
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Re: to those of y'all using Skype 5 beta

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Sadly, that hasn't been released yet, it seems. At least, I haven't received an 
update.

If there has been one, would you happen to know? Otherwise, where do you know 
this?

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I hear they have been improved and they fixed the refresh bug when you are 
 viewing the html area for chats. Hopefully that will come out for the publish 
 release. S! don't tell anyone.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hello Ray,
 
 Not a word. In fact, comments sent in on the blog after the release date 
 have not even been approved yet, so I'm not sure what is going on. At any 
 rate, no updates on  the big Skype blog, either, not even on the 
 Mac-specific one.
 
 I have to wonder what Skype's view of the various comments might be. 
 Currently, on both blogs, sighted and blind people alike say the release is 
 riddle with bugs. Of course, I have my own opinion on that. None of these 
 comments after the official release date of Skype 5 Beta have been approved. 
 Hopefully, someone knows something else.
 
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 On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Just wanted to come in here and ask if there have been any updates to Skype 
 5 beta for the Mac yet.  IF so, does the latest update improve anything?
 
 
 Sincerely, 
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
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Re: Alex pronouncing weirdly at times

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I have been wondering about that myself. I've noticed this happen in people 
only sending via Outlook, regardless if it is plane or HTML view on my end. it 
actually hasn't mattered much. I always have my messages in HTML view even 
those sent from others, and it only does it when it is an e-mail from someone 
running Windows.

It's weird, but I have no idea why that'd happen. Switching into plane view 
doesn't make a difference in that case for me, but it'd be nice if it could be 
looked into.

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi all!
 I do not use Alex!
 I like Victoria and she also says the capital letter then the rest of the 
 word!
 Someone else said in another thread that it could be how the message was sent 
 I think she meant [ although I'm not sure ] hht or however its spelt!
 And my theory is messages coming from the other side not Mac but some other 
 device w*!
 But I could be wrong on that!
 Anyway I do not think its a vo problem just how the original message was 
 written!
 Colin
 On 1 Dec 2010, at 11:05, Chris Snyder wrote:
 
 Another interesting issue with our dear Alex is that he will pronounce 
 certain words one way while reading via the VO-A command versus when you 
 interact with text and read it word by word or line by line. 
 Friendly,
 Chris
 
 On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 I notice this mostly in emails. I suppose it's one of those things to 
 report to the accessibility team.
 
 Teresa
 On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
 Does anybody else run into the situation where Alex pronounces a capital 
 letter then the rest of the word, like H ello.  This drives me crazy and I 
 don't know how to fix it.  He will say my name as M arlaina for example.
 
 Thanks for any help saving my poor sanity!
 
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Re: Adium problem with requests

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

What messages do you need sounds for? New messages? In that case, just add a 
sound to the group chat event. That applies to IRC as well as regular group 
chats when you invite multiple people into conversations. The same applies to 
speaking text. I use this method constantly when using IRC, and I have had no 
issues so far. You may consider that option.

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:

 Hi there  you are not alone  Ihave had the same problem for months.  finally 
 had a friend log into my yahoo account and take care of the requests for me.  
 still not fixed on the latest update, nr is irc functionality working 
 properly. not even a chirp on new txt in the chat room, so I wear out my vo 
 keys
 
 On Nov 27, 2010, at 12:35 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a problem with adium and voice over whare Everytime I login I have 
 request which I need to take action on, but I am unable tlo dlo slo.  Anyone 
 else having this problem?  I am using the latest version of adium.  Thanks.
 
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Re: trouble sending attachments in mail

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Chad,

Would you be able to outline the exact steps you perform? To ensure the file 
has been attached, check through your e-mails to confirm that the file has been 
selected. An image with the file name will  be placed wherever your cursor is 
at the time of the attachment, representing the file.

Also, ensure that the Send Windows-friendly attachments checkbox is checked. 
Normally, it is checked by default, but you may have unchecked it accidentally. 
Of course, that checkbox is only important  if your friend is running Windows.

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, chad baker wrote:

 Hi i'm having trouble attaching files in mail.
 i go to attach file and i send it and my friend don't get the attachment.
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Re: re-trouble sending attachments in mail

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

In that case, consider it may be an issue on his end. If you check if the 
attachment is within the message, you should have no problems.

If the attachment is but he does not see the message, consider the following. 
Does this occur with all recipients or only one in particular on your end?

I know that he is a WIndows user, but do you know which email client this 
recipient is using?

Is there any indication the attachment was removed by the recipient's incoming 
mail server or by antivirus software?

Lastly, are these photo/image attachments that appear but are embedded and not 
available as an attached file?

If it is an  image, composing your mail in rich text on the Mac sometimes 
causes problems in Microsoft Outlook, as Microsoft Outlook has issues reading 
e-mails with attached images sent by mail.app when sending as RTF. If sending 
to a WIndows Outlook user, you may consider using plane text for an image.

Those  are the only things I can think of at the moment, except If any of you 
are using the resizing button at the bottom of the Compose window. Generally, 
to reduce file size, DO NOT DO SO on any files other than those for photo 
files. Using the resize button with PDF, will convert the file type, but will 
not warn you.

Also, using the resize image button applies to all files attached, even later 
in composing the message, and will cause any PDF to fail for the recipient.

Not sure if this is relevant, Chad, but it might just be.

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:13 PM, chad baker wrote:

 Hi here are my steps.
 first i go to file then attach files
 then i select the file i want then i send it and also i check the box for 
 windows friendly attachments cause my friend runs windows
 
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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Also, holding these keys down is fine, as long as it is done just when you hear 
the startup chime. Keep in mind, there is a startup delay, which means that you 
can do it within this timeframe. I often just hold down any keys to affect the 
startup when I hear the chime. Not a second after, but as soon as I hear it. 
The time between hearing the drive and the startup chime itself is significant 
enough to actually reach the keys in time.

You will need to hold them for a while, however. First, you will hear the 
regular chime. Keep holding them for a while longer, until you hear your drive 
again. Don't let go until you hear a second chime, possibly at a much louder 
volume depending on your volume settings.

You may also have to reset some settings in preferences, as some of these are 
stored in the PRAM.

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

 Command, option ; I believe this is better then tape and less damaging to 
 your keyboard. 
 
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 On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
 Sometimes a little scotch tape can help.  Tape the command and option keys 
 down first then it's a three finger operation.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Les 
 Kriegler wrote:
 
 Hi Ann,
 
 A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult 
 keystroke to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, 
 I cannot do this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the 
 button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding 
 down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key.  I 
 don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal 
 startup sound again.  Am I executing the reset procedure properly?  How 
 does one know that it actually worked?  Thanks.
 
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Re: to those of y'all using Skype 5 beta

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Hello Ray,

Not a word. In fact, comments sent in on the blog after the release date have 
not even been approved yet, so I'm not sure what is going on. At any rate, no 
updates on  the big Skype blog, either, not even on the Mac-specific one.

I have to wonder what Skype's view of the various comments might be. Currently, 
on both blogs, sighted and blind people alike say the release is riddle with 
bugs. Of course, I have my own opinion on that. None of these comments after 
the official release date of Skype 5 Beta have been approved. Hopefully, 
someone knows something else.

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Just wanted to come in here and ask if there have been any updates to Skype 5 
 beta for the Mac yet.  IF so, does the latest update improve anything?
 
 
 Sincerely, 
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Re: where is the download of the ios update saved

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Hi!

You are normally asked to install these carrier updates if necessary after an 
update, or whenever one is available for your provider. You have probably had 
one of these at some point, so it's andy to know where they are.

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On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I don't think att downloaded stuff for me to that folder but yeah I googled 
 and found that longish path and thte bigish file. lol!
 
 S
 On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hello Sarah,
 
 The update will be stored in ~/library/iTunes/iPhone SOftware Updates. In 
 the iTunes folder, you will also find carrier updates related to carrier 
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 On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Hello. I accidentally said to update rather then download so I could update 
 later. Where is the download saved so I can copy it to an external drive if 
 I ever need to restore it? I'm in the middle of doinga podcast on this and 
 I am stuck, or screwed. lol! the download is going very well btw.
 
 Take care all.
 
 
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Re: where is the download of the ios update saved

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Hi!

Yes, you can actually restore by using a couple of applications. But that's a 
whole other subject entirely. Just because Apple's iTTunes server claims you 
cannot, that doesn't mean you can't. :)

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:50 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 Hmm I managed to restore about 2 months after ios what ever was released in 
 june. i had no choice. lol!
 
 S
 On Nov 30, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 Yes, but that won't work after a couple weeks of a new version being
 released at the most.
 
 On 30/11/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually my thing is to save each installer in a folder on my external drive
 so if I restore I can jut ctrl click on the restore button in itunes and
 downgrade to what ever was before the IOS upgrade.
 On Nov 30, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 Theres not really any point in backing up the ios installers.
 1: If your thinking of being able to downgrade to something older
 using this method then it won't work.
 2: If you're worried that you might some how break your phone and are
 wanting to preserve the files to do a factory restore theres no point
 since iTunes takes care of this for you.
 
 On 30/11/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmm I don't remember having been asked to install a carrier update. Just
 the
 ones from apple. but I will keep that in mind.
 On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 You are normally asked to install these carrier updates if necessary
 after
 an update, or whenever one is available for your provider. You have
 probably had one of these at some point, so it's andy to know where they
 are.
 
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 On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I don't think att downloaded stuff for me to that folder but yeah I
 googled and found that longish path and thte bigish file. lol!
 
 S
 On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hello Sarah,
 
 The update will be stored in ~/library/iTunes/iPhone SOftware Updates.
 In the iTunes folder, you will also find carrier updates related to
 carrier changes if you ever need them.
 
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 On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Hello. I accidentally said to update rather then download so I could
 update later. Where is the download saved so I can copy it to an
 external drive if I ever need to restore it? I'm in the middle of
 doinga podcast on this and I am stuck, or screwed. lol! the download
 is
 going very well btw.
 
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Re: where is the download of the ios update saved

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Hello Sarah,

The update will be stored in ~/library/iTunes/iPhone SOftware Updates. In the 
iTunes folder, you will also find carrier updates related to carrier changes if 
you ever need them.

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On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 Hello. I accidentally said to update rather then download so I could update 
 later. Where is the download saved so I can copy it to an external drive if I 
 ever need to restore it? I'm in the middle of doinga podcast on this and I am 
 stuck, or screwed. lol! the download is going very well btw.
 
 Take care all.
 
 
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Re: safari not always alerting when page is loaded

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I have noticed it on Mac OS X a few times, but mostly on YouTube. I can't 
really find a pattern, not does it seem that frequent to me.

As for James' statement, that sounds like a hell of an overstatement in 4.2.

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On Nov 28, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:

 I was referring to a macbook pro, not sure how it is browsing on an iphone or 
 ipad.
 On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:10 AM, James Mannion wrote:
 
 Yes I have noticed it too. Maybe it's because 4.2 is so damn full of
 bugs that something working right would be out of place.
 
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 Has anyone else noticed that Safari doesn't always give the little bleep
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Re: The KillAll command

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Jeff,

You have the right command, but you write VoiceOver wrong. It is killall -9 
VoiceOver

Regards,
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On 24 Nov 2010, at 09:53, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,
 I meant to reply to one of Nic's recent posts, but  deleted it.  He suggested 
 that if VO goes silent one could enter terminal into spotlight and then enter 
 -- I forget the exact command but believe it was killallall -9 voiceover.
 
 I tried this with and without the extra all and also tried inserting a 
 space between the two alls, but only receive a message that no matching 
 processes were found.
 
 I'd like to get this right in case I do experience a vo crash.  May not have 
 recalled the parm Nic mentioned, but I did use the one he specified (which 
 may not have been -9).
 
 TIA for any clarification, and best regards.
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Re: The KillAll command

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Hi!

True enough. -HUP accomplishes the same thing, though, but of course the 
parameters mean something different. I always just use -9 to ensure it actually 
quits, and it's just as efficient in the long-run. And, it's less parameters to 
type.

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On Nov 24, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

 the killall command works. -9 will simply force it to quit. I prefer the use 
 of killall -HUP VoiceOver as it forces a reset of voiceover without going 
 through all the issues of restarting it via keystrokes.  btw, you must 
 capitalize the V and the O otherwise it will not find the process name.
 
 -Eric
 
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 Greetings,
 I meant to reply to one of Nic's recent posts, but  deleted it.  He 
 suggested that if VO goes silent one could enter terminal into spotlight and 
 then enter -- I forget the exact command but believe it was killallall -9 
 voiceover.
 
 I tried this with and without the extra all and also tried inserting a 
 space between the two alls, but only receive a message that no matching 
 processes were found.
 
 I'd like to get this right in case I do experience a vo crash.  May not have 
 recalled the parm Nic mentioned, but I did use the one he specified (which 
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Re: voiceover randomly freezing

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Anne,

I've never been able to get your method to work. Some people said hitting 
Command-F5 once, then Command-Tab, then Command-F5 five times within thirty 
seconds works, too.

However, since none of this works for me, I've found it safer in my case to hit 
Command-Space for Spotlight, type Terminal, hit enter and type killall -9 
VoiceOver to ensure VoiceOver restarts.

That's another way to do it, and it works if all else does not. I have 
experienced that sometimes, I am also unable to use keyboard shortcuts but that 
has only happened once.

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On Nov 22, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Eric,
 
 This is a very common problem at the moment. You just press Cmd-F5 four times 
 and VoiceOver starts speaking again.
 
 There is no crash log because VoiceOver isn't crashing, it's just going 
 silent.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2010, at 12:16, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
 ok, ever since I tried, and failed to update to 10.6.5, my machine has been 
 displaying some weird problems.
 the top most one is that voiceover will freeze at random in the middle of 
 reading a web page, writing an e-mail, or something else requiring its 
 output.
 I have done the repair permissions bit and culled unused programs and their 
 various spawnage. so what gives? VO will not respond to its CMD+F5 command 
 to quit/restart. I actually have to get someone in here and tell me the 
 process ID of the app so I can kill it directly.
 
 the malfunction doesn't seem to be making it into the logs either. I am 
 really at my whits end here.
 
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Re: confirming apple tv has vo support

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Hi Esther,

Thanks a lot for this. I couldn't see it at all, so I'm happy. :)

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On Nov 22, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Ricardo,
 
 I read the article and played the embedded YouTube video on my iPad.  
 However, if you want a direct link to the embedded YouTube video that demos 
 VoiceOver used with the Apple TV, here's the one I supplied to the mac-access 
 list along with the MacWorld article link:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9mSZEqouL0
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Nov 22, 2010, at 07:50, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What do you click on to make the video play?  is it flash?
 
 On Nov 22, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Marketoe Day wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 The following link will take you directly to a MacWorld article confirming 
 the presence of voice over in the latest release of the Apple TV software. 
 You will also find a short video clip providing an example of voice over 
 being used to navigate the menus of Apple TV.
 
 Enjoy!
 
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Re: mac os x accesibility with note takers

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

As a rather frequent note taker user, or rather...used-to-be frequent user, I 
find the Mac is more than efficient for my study needs. In fact, I find a 
notetaker can't even handle most of what I need in my college, and as such, the 
Mac is much easier to deal with. I use the PAC Mate QX440, which tends to hang 
or crash quite frequently as I work. I mainly just have it in my house now, but 
I haven't turned it on for months because of that very fact.

To be fair, though, I've never found any notetaker sufficient for any real 
usage when it comes to others than taking notes. When it comes to using 
applications such as Power Point, at least on the PM, JAWS eats up too much 
processing power to be of much use and as such, most of the applications that 
otherwise might work fine cause crashes or slow responsiveness.

I'd find the Macbook much better to work with. It's fast and powerful, and does 
what you want. VoiceOver is great, but there are still some things that need 
perfecting. Working with tables can sometimes be a bother, until you get used 
to the various bugs and discover workarounds for them.

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On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:01 AM, eddy wrote:

 hey eveyone, I am a mac os x user who really likes the way voice over
 works. I have organizations like. DBS division of blind servises and
 other giving their clients who request computers Dell laptops with
 Jaws screen reader installed. what I am aware of is that Jaws alone is
 more than a thousand dollars recently I her two thousand. I wonder why
 organizations like DBS don't just give their client a macbook or a
 machbook pro and be done with it. then they whon't have to pay for
 Jay. and the client can use voice  over which in  my opinion has a
 shorter learning curve. I also recently asked a Vision teacher or V.I
 teacher and she answered that at leat 70=90 percent  of note takers,
 and all other digital devices are not comopatible with mac os x.
 I would like to know what you guys think about this. and if there are
 any high school and college students who are blind or visually
 impaired, Is  a Mac with voice over sufficient enough for all school
 work or do you still need a note taker?
 
 
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Re: Oh boy

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Same here. I could spend something so easily. I've spent way too much in iTunes 
in general, too. New artists that just released albums, new apps...the wallet 
is suffering.

Also, did anyone ever try the invisible shield on the iPhone? I saw it on 
someone's phone last year at an Apple store, but the only thing I could say was 
cute.

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Hey! 
 I want someone in that same boat with me. LOL I could easily spend way to 
 much money. BTW, they do have a 12 month, same as cash, no interest credit 
 card.
 
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 On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:04 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Oh, fine!  So just give me something else I'll want to buy when I finally 
 get to the Apple store. :)
 Donna
 On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 It would make a good intertaiment center for Donna. The speakers that are 
 built in are wonderful.
 
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 www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia
 
 On Nov 16, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:
 
 Sounds swet!
 On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 I just got back from Mac class. I got my hands on n iPod Nano, and a 27 
 inch iMac. I'm drooling. Both are so beautiful! I was told you can mount 
 the iMac on a wall like an LCD tv. Not bad!
 
 
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Re: accessible version of audacity

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Hi!

One thing that surprises me about this is why this is not provided through the 
official SourceForge site of Audacity. Or is it? Because I never managed to 
find it. And, does anyone know why two versions are necessary? Why not just 
integrate the enhancements?

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On Nov 16, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi Courtney!
 I went to the site and I think I've got it!
 
 audacity-macosx-ub-1.3.11.dmg 17054KB Jan 19 2010 11:32:15 AM
 
 On 16 Nov 2010, at 01:23, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I can't find the exact link to download it when it says click here, nothing 
 happens.
 Courtney
 
 On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Colin M wrote:
 
 Hi Chad from another list I'm on!
 
 http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/audio/audacity_for_mac_with_voiceover.shtml
 
 On 15 Nov 2010, at 23:15, chad baker wrote:
 
 Hi i'm looking for the accessible version of audacity can't find it i 
 googled it and couldn't find it.
 
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Re: removing unnatural pauses while using Ivox voices

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Hi!

This is the same with Native Mac OS X voices currently. Also, it stops Alex 
from breathing. You will also notice this when going to elements such as 
multi-line edit fields on websites. It also applies to text fields in general 
most of the time. I'm sad this hasn't been fixed yet.

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On Nov 16, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 To anybody using Ivox voices,  While reading text using VO+a, I notice 
 unnaturally long pauses quite possibly due to line breaks or periods.  Is 
 there any way to cut out these pauses?  Note that all my sounds are 
 activated, and, merely deactivating the sounds does not much help.  Thanks.
 
 
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iTunes Ping and purchasing albums

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hey everyone!

I took the chance and sent this to both lists. Since Mac-Access concerns itself 
with IOS as well and not just Mac OS X, there's no need to send it to ViPhone.

I have an artist on Ping who released an album quite recently...yesterday, to 
be precise. I clicked to view the album in the group. Let's just clear 
something up here for those not using Ping that much.

When an artist wants to share his album with you in their posts, they show up 
as a group below their post. Within that group, all information relevant to the 
album is displayed as well as a link to the artist. Now, here is where the 
problem is.

I clicked the link for the album itself within the group in question. I was 
told it was not available in the Danish iTunes Store, however if I went and 
search within the iTunes Store, it was found and I was able to purchase without 
any hassle. Checking the link, it referred to the Danish store the way it 
should have, and the links were in fact identical to each other.

Has anyone experienced this both on IOS and Mac OS X? This sounds like a 
terrible bug. I'd assume it'd have something to do with both platforms, since 
it's the store itself.

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Re: Fun fun fun with Alex :)

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Or, you could find an online listing. I know there are lots of those, and even 
emoticons that you've never even heard of. The only issue is that some 
applications write smiley as :-), and other write it as :). I realize VoiceOver 
will pronounce both of these, however, but that's just an example. That 
requires more pronunciations added, but it's a fun time waster. I suppose it 
may come in handy if someone is mad at you, but you don't know what the angry 
smiley looks like.

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On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Daniel Rowe wrote:

 Hi.
 Jaws does actually have quite a few emoticons and abbreviations in the 
 dictionary manager file for windows live messenger, so you could use that to 
 find out what they are and add them to VO's pronunciation dictionary if 
 you're so inclined.
 
 Dannie
 
 On 15 Nov 2010, at 21:41, Carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi everyone:
 Ok, I have always  been intrigued by the idea of emoticons, and I was just 
 blown away when I first heard Alex read the smiley emoticon.  Well, of 
 course there are tons of these.  But, as a blind person, I never had a clue 
 about how they were represented, nor did I care.  But, with Vo making me 
 laugh every time I encountered a smiley, I finally broke down and had to 
 find out how to teach him some new ones.
 So, I found a list of emoticons, and interacted with the text to learn how 
 differing ones are made.  Perhaps I have too much time on my hands, but I've 
 had a great time discovering the kinds of things, (some naughty and some 
 nice) that people can make out of simple text characters.  
 What we did today in class was to go into VO Utilities, speech and 
 pronunciation where you can add new ones.  Interesting, unless Alex is set 
 to recognize them, a blind user would never know they're even there!  So, 
 someone could send some very interesting messages and we'd be none the 
 wiser.:(
 
 I don't know if Jaws has this capability, but I've never had my pc throw 
 smileys or other text-based representations at me in this way.  So, I 
 thought others might appreciate this as well.
 It would be interesting
 to see if others are using others besides smiley and frown.  
 
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Re: infovox

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

When you install these voices, it asks you to restart to complete voice 
activation. This usually doesn't make a difference, but you might want to give 
that a shot. Also, make sure to open up Infovox iVox.app and complete the 
online registration for the trial if you have not.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Ruud Bemelmans wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I just grabbed the Dutch voices for the 30 day trial, but after installing 
 them they don't show up in voiceOver utility or in the speech settings. Am I 
 missing something, because the isntallation was successful or is this a 
 limitation of the trial period?
 
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Re: moving to a computer-based entertainment system

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Hi everyone,

If we are talking about DVDs, you may want to watch out for DVD-encryption as a 
lot of DVDs are encrypted today. I know som software can handle this, but some 
decoding software does not like encryption. I am also curious to know what you 
are using for this, as I use a hardware solution myself through the Mac 
USB-port, making it much faster.

I know we are talking about entertainment systems now, but I didn't see fit to 
change the subject just yet as it falls into the same category.

Regards,
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On 15 Nov 2010, at 14:24, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote:

 Wow.  I've been schlepping my Macbook back and forth every day.  Not that the 
 MB is heavy, but the thought of having something that light is appealing.
 Donna o
 On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 It isn't the best computer for the money but, It's by far the best looking.  
 The design is amazing.  And it doesn't feel cheap.  Many netbooks feel like 
 toys in my opinion.  I know it was light and thin but, no words can do the 
 Macbook air justice.  You need to hold it in your hands to really know how 
 thin and light it is.
 
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 On Nov 14, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 I can't wait to see it.
 Donna
 On Nov 14, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 It is one snazzy looking little machine.  I can't believe how thin it is.  
 On Nov 14, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Ha!  I'm in the exact same position.  but I think I'll peak anyway. :)
 Donna
 On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 Be careful peeking at the Macbook Air.  I did on Friday and wanted one, 
 but can't justify it since I just got a Macbook Pro a year ago.  lol
 On Nov 14, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hmmm, sounds like I may need a trip to the Apple store.  Well, this'll 
 give me a chance to peak at the Macbook Air.  Oh woe is me! :)
 On Nov 14, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
 You could also use the Apple TV for streaming all your media to your 
 entertainment system.  The newest model is fairly inexpensive, 
 connects to your entertainment system using HDMI and runs on IOS4.  I 
 have the older model which on the Mac side, through itunes is totally 
 accessible but at the TV side is not at all.  A bit of memorizing what 
 and where menus are allows me to use it quite well but not accessible 
 by any stretch.  I'm wondering if Apple will be making VO a part of 
 the newest model with the change to IOS4.
 
 Just another option for you.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2010-11-14, at 12:13 AM, Vaughn Bennison wrote:
 
 In my opinion getting dvds into itunes on the mac is easier than 
 under windows.  The only down-side to using a mac as your 
 entertainment hub is that TV is very difficult, if not impossible to 
 access.  There seems to be only one aplication for tv watching on the 
 mac, EyeTV, and it's absolutely useless with voiceover, although from 
 all accounts it's a cool programme!  Apart from that, the mac is a 
 good option.
 
 Vaughn.
 On 14/11/2010, at 1:01 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 tonight my husband and i have been talking about moving to a 
 computer-based entertainment system.  I of course said I want our 
 media computer to be a Mac.  Here's the question.  What do we do 
 with our DVD collection?  Can this be imported into iTunes?I'm 
 very curious to know what others have done.
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Re: accessibility of wordpress.com with voiceover to make my own blog

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Hi!

If you are going to use Wordpress, I'd recommend using MarsEdit for your 
posting, editing, etc. it handles all of those features, and a lot more and is 
rather advanced. It also works with many other services.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:

 I was just wondering if any of you have had luck with wordpress.com to create 
 blog posts?  The write a post page seems pretty hard to figure out and I 
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Re: THE MAC BEING LIKE CRACK DISCUSSION

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Hi Kimberly,

Yikes, all those caps. You may want to turn that off. :P

As for the iPad vs. Macbook Air, I've never seen either machine so I can't 
comment. I'd assume you can get them in Denmark, too, except the iPad. I'm a 
little sad about that, but oh well I suppose.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 I'VE NEVER REALLY LIKED THE ELECTRONICS AND SEX ANALGY, BUT THAT AIR WAS 
 TRULY SEXY.  LOL  I WOULD RATHER THAT THAN AN IPAD ACTUALLY.  MY HUSBAND HAS 
 AN IPAD AND I PLAY WITH IT OCCASIONALLY, BUT I'D RATHER THE AIR.
 
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Re: infovox license and language packs question

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Hello Ray,

Since you currently only have the trial, you will need to buy your original 
language such as the first language you would like to use. This gives you an 
activation code to activate Infovox iVox itself, allowing you to activate other 
languages with additional language packs. You cannot get the activation code 
without buying a lgnauge first, but this cannot be an additional pack.

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On Nov 14, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 I see where to buy the infovox single user license and other language packs.  
 When you get to the actual shopping page, it's quite easy; however, I just 
 sent them a question.  Since I now have the american English and british 
 English voices installed as a trial setup, is it necessary for me to pay 
 $99.00 for the American voices and then add the British voices for $50.00?  
 Why not just purchase the language packs for the american English and British 
 English voices at $50.00 each?  Could it be that you have to pay $99.00 for 
 the initial activation code and then you can add what ever voice language 
 packs you want on top of that?  It seems to me that I could save money if I 
 just bought the two language packs at $50.00.  Unless there's something about 
 the individual language packs activation codes which relies on an initial 
 valid single user license already being used.  In other words, might it be 
 the case that unless you've activated the Infovox single user license which 
 you buy for $99.00 for the first language pack, you cannot use the individual 
 language pack codes because those $50.00 codes look for the original $99.00 
 codes as a form of validation before they will activate.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 Could it be perhaps that Allison did it one way by using the individual packs 
 and some others went about it another way by buying the $99.00 First and then 
 added on?
 
 
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