Re: From Lori RE: [QUAD-L] Potassium
Dear Lori, I use vitamin C to ramp up bladder acidity. I don't have an indwelling catheter but it still makes me feel better even at 1 gram per day. With an indwelling cath I took 4 grams and mandelamine and had very few infections. Someone said it combines to create formaldehide in the bladder. I don't know if its true. It does make daily vitamins and minerals work better. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 8:50 pm Subject: From Lori RE: [QUAD-L] Potassium See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Attached Message From: David Michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: From Lori RE: [QUAD-L] Potassium Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:31:34 -0700 W, please post the following to the list if you would: Being VERY low on potassium is a dangerous thing. Besides sodium, it is the second positive ion in the body and extremely important for many of the vital organs. In 1997 when I got bronchitis… because I had such a hard time coughing …I was using my albuterol inhaler many many times a day. I finally had to go to the emergency room to get an x-ray to rule out and ammonia. As I was in the x-ray room… a nurse came running in with two of the biggest pills I had ever seen in my life (and by then I had seen plenty) saying that I had to take them right away. I asked her why and she told me that my blood work had just come back and I was very low on potassium. I guess it scares them so much that they could not even wait until the x-ray was finished! On another potassium related topic… I just had the strangest thing happen to me less than a year ago. I had been battling constant urinary tract infections for years and finally had some big boulders removed from the bladder itself a year ago this past May. My doctor and I thought that would solve the problem. Unfortunately, I kept having chronic UTIs. Someone here had suggested the medication Mandelamine (I think it was) as sort of a prophylactic against UTIs. Anyway, one day my husband and I were reading about the medication on one particular site and on that one site… a paragraph glared at us. It said that one could not take this medication if they could not get their urine pH to stay at a 6 or lower. More acidic in other words. Up till then I could not get my urine pH at that ideal number by trying cranberry juice, cranberry supplements, etc. etc. to get it that way. The more acidic the urine… the last chance for bugs to grow. I have always known that. Anyway, I had been eating a banana every single day for a long long time. My husband boinked himself on the forehead with the palm of his hand as he read that paragraph. To make a long story short… I stopped eating the bananas and I have not had a bladder infection since! Along with keeping my urine Ph around the ideal number 6. Who would ever have thought that too many bananas could contribute to increased bladder infections? But, when you do some in-depth reading about potassium… it talks a lot about potassium and the role it plays with kidney function, etc. etc… I told my urologist and she was also glad that we found an answer to my problem that had plagued me for almost 7 years. That is the second time that the Internet has helped me more than greatly when even the doctors were without answers. I love the program Mystery Diagnosis on the Discovery Health Channel. It portrays what had happened to me so many times over the years… having all kinds of symptoms and the doctors can help you either because of laziness or incompetence. The more you know… :-) Lori Michaelson C4/5 complete quad, 27 years post Tucson, AZ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:15 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Potassium In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:49:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: W can you pass this on to the list for me? Do any of you guys have low potassium? Every time I get a blood test it reads lower. My doc just upped me to 60mg - 40 in the morning and 20 at night. Dan I would suggest a monkey diet of a couple of bananas a day. Best Wishes See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [QUAD-L] voc.rehab
I don't think you can judge a state agency by the quality of its politicians. The problem that is inherent with many state agencies is that most operate like a company that is run by a union. there isn't really any incentive for them to improve. It is like public schools with the vice president of the teachers union?is elected as president of the school board. It becomes a great place to work but don't expect the children to read. One of Ohio's elementary schools had 64% of the children on behavior modification drugs. The private school in?the same area only had 2%. I'm sure that many counselors at VR help a lot of people, but when they get a quad?as a client, they have to actually work.?? What I'm suggesting is that counselors be rated for competency, or lack thereof. I've heard the same stories about the same counselors over the years. I honestly don't believe Ohio's BVR would survive close scrutiny of how they spend there funding. I know their union would prevent them from being fired, but they can't do anything if a few are reassigned to more suitable jobs, say, repairing potholes. john, C-5,?31 years post -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] voc.rehab In a message dated 8/11/2007 5:06:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Voc.rehab. here in hillbilly land was a savior for me. They sent me to college, paid for modifications on two vans, and bought two power chairs. They made it possible for me to become a teacher and have always been extremely helpful. I could not have done any of it without their help. Larry in Ky. Larry, you are one of the many lucky ones in a state that had a representative who didn't support the disAble cause.? She herself used a manual wheelchair and thought she was the only one. Do you remember who she is and does she still represent the state of Kentucky? Best Wishes W Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[QUAD-L] ADA
I'll bet the folks at the ADA enforcement arm of the justice department have a super celebration. Wonder why lawyers call it the laughing law? If you think its difficult to get a job its because anyplace that refuses to hire you saves more money on health insurance than they would pay in fines for not hiring you. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] elbow breakdown
Velcro straps work nice. john -Original Message- From: Mike Murach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 2:11 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] elbow breakdown Is there something that can keep my arms in place on my arm troughs throughout the day?? My arms slide backwards over time and my elbows then rest on the arm trough plastic edge and breakdown. Mike~ ? Please check out my art gallery at: ? www.MurGallery.com ? AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] question about spasms control?
For what they charge for that pump installation it should be a universal remote too. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] question about spasms control? Cullen, ? I went through that whole 9 yards with the baclofen.? I was taking more than the FDA recommends, and I still wasn't getting the relief I need.? My spasms were given in the way of my therapy.? I ended up putting the Baclofen pump in last July.? As a matter of fact, I just went to my doctor this morning that my pump refilled and dose changed.? I have not had any problems at all, my pump.? I only have spasms, when I get a UTI. ? You may want to thinks of the pump as another option. ? Naomi C-4 quad, incomplete since July 2, 2005 Transverse Myelitis See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Hot Hot Hot
Call the DME that sold it to you. It will only get worse. It may just need the fork tightened a little but it could need new bearings or even a new fork. It was probably overtightened when first assembled because I'm sure you have never hit a hole in the sidewalk REALLY HARD. ;-) Maybe your chair is melting? good luck Greg, john -Original Message- From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 6:46 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Hot Hot Hot Well, I love the warm weather and moving to AZ was life changing for me… But 115 degrees is starting to be a bit too warm… I still spend hours out in my back yard. I just bought a cool standing fan that spays misting water out of it. That really helps. But it’s still a bit warm J Greg AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] New Here
Welcome to the list! Please don't hesitate to say what you think and while some of us have sores, we are mostly thick skinned and will accept you, your advice and your opinions. If you don't like something you read don't let it bug you. Many of us take drugs. Jim Lubin has done a great job of setting up a list that is open and informative. If you ever get dropped from the list just rejoin, it wasn't on purpose, it just happens. Sorry for such bold type but my glasses lens fell out and my aid couldn't find the lil screwdriver. john, 31years post, 51years old -Original Message- From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'C Child' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'quad-list' quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 7:05 pm Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Here Welcome to the jungle Cullen. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: C Child [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:34 PM To: quad-list Subject: [QUAD-L] New Here My name is Cullen and I live half the year in Canada and the other half in Arizona. I am a C3 incomplete and T9 complete quad due to TM 10 years ago. Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] I'm in a dilemma...Need help.
It is true that we don't know what your financial situation is. You might try calling your local independant living center. They can often help and give sugestions according to your ability to pay. You can buy a hoyer lift on e-bay and run an ad in a newspaper for what you can afford. You don't have to live alone to talk with them. Sometimes its called CIL (center for independant living). good luck john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] I'm in a dilemma...Need help. lori writes: I am not on Medicaid and refuse to go on public assistance by committing financial suicide - Hi Lori, Sadly, I'm on the bottom. I only get a bit over 10k a year through Social Security. I'm on both Medicaid and Medicare, but here in NJ the state only covers for PCA/Personal Care Assistance. That limits me to hardly and ROM or exercises. I also must say, I'm sorry to hear about your situation and hope you'll be helped. It's just gut wrenching to hear about your sister. Keith/C4-5/NewJersey See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] How One Can live Alone
You can attach night drain bags together. Just put the in line to the out line. Let them both hang on the side. Don't forget to open the clip so the urine can go into bag #2. As the bag fills it drains into bag #2. john -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 9:58 pm Subject: Re: FW: FW: FW: [QUAD-L] How One Can live Alone Has anyone come up with a solution for not having to empty the urine too often? I use a 4000 CC bag, but if I go to bed around, let's say, 11 p.m. and my caregiver doesn't come and until 11 a.m., there is a good chance it might be completely full. I seem to drain a lot while I am lying down. My doctor told me if I sleep at 30° this will help stop the problem, but I haven't really seen a difference yet. In case you're going to ask, I have been checked for diabetes and renal problems, but everything comes back hunky-dory. I occasionally stayed on Sundays so I can give my primary caregivers the day off and on these days my parents come in and during the year and around noon. When my brother makes around later in the evening, I have around 3000 cc in the bag even though I have only taken in about 1000 cc. Quadius AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] need advice
A tilt chair does let you reduce preasure and get off it a little. You need to tilt every half hour or more if you can. I don't know what your using on the wound, but it can be tricky to get a sore to heal and still get in the chair everyday. I'd say it is worth it but I'd talk to a Dr. at a wound care center or a Dr. that specializes in wound care. good luck, john -Original Message- From: William Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:05 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice Guys, I need some serious advice. I have been battling a substantil pressure sore on my rear end for nearly four years. It absolutely refues to heal. I just bought a highprofile roho and hope that helps. my question - would it be worth the money (about $1500 out-of-pocket) for me to invest in a tilt chair? I have a standard invacare arrow now. Would this be a worthwhile investment or could I spend the money on something more worthwhile? Please help me guys, especially if you have experience with a tilt chair. _ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Steve
A lot of people believe a wound will only heal if you lay in bed awkwardly turning and never letting any pressure on it until it is gone. Clean wounds can often heal rather quickly after debrieding. I've had a clean wound heal in three months using trypsin. I didn't miss anytime in the chair. Let your doctor know that you would like to keep your job while healing it. Be careful not to sit on wrinkles and the roho isn't meant to raise you up in your chair. You should be immersed in it. I've seen some of the air mattresses over inflated too. They don't work the way you want if you don't sink into them some. It takes about 20 minutes to destroy the skin tissue from pressure. You need to be a little obsessive about avoiding sores. Once you have a sore, it can be a few weeks before all the dead tissue falls off or you get it off and you see how bad your hurt. Once it appears healed, treat it like a wound for another 4 - 6 months. New skin is real easy to damage. I wish I could brag that I never get them, but I do. Living with them seems to be the trick. Don't let it depress you and if you feel depressed, tell your doctor that too. good luck john -Original Message- From: William Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 1:18 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Steve You are absolutely right, Steve. I've been telling myself this for the longest time. I work full time as a teacher and I just haven't been able to face the unpleasant facts. Whatever route I take is going to be a rough one. From: Steve Oldaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'William Willis' [EMAIL PROTECTED], quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] need advice Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:24:35 -0400 William, If you have been battling a substantial pressure sore for nearly four years, a tilt chair cannot hurt and may very well help, but I don't see how you can expect any long term healing without staying off the wound until it is completely healed. As others have pointed out, your wound could be far worse internally than what you can see on the surface, and you may be risking more serious consequences. Being relegated to bed for several weeks or even months is a dismal prospect, but time invested now should result in long term positive benefits. Think of what a relief it would be not having to continually care for your wound and worry about how much time you are spending in your chair. I wish you luck, Steve -Original Message- From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice Guys, I need some serious advice. I have been battling a substantil pressure sore on my rear end for nearly four years. It absolutely refues to heal. I just bought a highprofile roho and hope that helps. my question - would it be worth the money (about $1500 out-of-pocket) for me to invest in a tilt chair? I have a standard invacare arrow now. Would this be a worthwhile investment or could I spend the money on something more worthwhile? Please help me guys, especially if you have experience with a tilt chair. _ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_ TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _ Like puzzles? Play free games earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] the powerchair 'CLANK'
My TDX3 began with a pleasant low tick but has gotten louder. Its 4 years old
and has a solid click. It isn't annoying. Just cant sneak up on pigeons like
before. I gotta let them walk into range..then, WHAMO! Nail 'em with stale
bread.
john
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From: Bill_J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the powerchair 'CLANK'
Go to a dealer who carries the TDX-5 and listen to it.
Bill age 56
C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68
Leesburg, FL
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- Original Message -
From: Tim Syfert
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the powerchair 'CLANK'
I had an EJ too which had a rather quiet click. My quickie is 7 years old so
would like to get a new chair but with a click rather than a CLANK. I like the
TDX5 but not sure I'd feel so comfortable with it's footrest. Also don't know
if it clicks or {{{CLANKS}}}.
Tim
Bill_J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Quantum 600, have had EJ and an Invacare Ranger X. None had a
CLANK, but they all had a click.
Bill age 56
C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68
Leesburg, FL
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From: Tim Syfert
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] the powerchair 'CLANK'
Does anyone have a powerchair that does not have the loud metal clank sound
when activating the motor or coming to a stop? My chair is a Quickie 525 and
the clank has always been rather irritating.
Tim
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Re: [QUAD-L] new
Welcome to the list Mike. Good to have another 30+ year person on the list. it makes the rest of us long term jobs feel like theres a path and it isn't so lonely. john C5 31 years post 51 years old -Original Message- From: Michael Galvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:10 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] new Hello, I'm new to the quad list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Mike and I'm a c5 c6 quad (incomplete) of 37yrs from a fall from a bridge when I was 16. I'm 54 now, and it's been a long journey. It has been nice to see people helping one another on the QL. MPG c5c6/37yrs AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] good news
I have the exact same abilities in zero G as luggage. Only way I can move is when I have a spasm. They would have me tied up in velcro so i didn't bump into HAL! Look out! Its the space quad! love it. john -Original Message- From: kemalzk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 5:57 am Subject: [QUAD-L] good news In case someone on the list has not heard about this story—here it is. http://spinalcord.org/news.php?dep=2page=5list=1116 kzak, a quad,c3 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Political discussions
What does medicare fall under, politics, or real subject matter? john -Original Message- From: kaye allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 26 May 2007 1:36 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political discussions Yeah like if the topic goes from cushoins to the war in one thread, change the heading appropriately. -Kaye On 5/25/07, Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great suggestion Bill. Quadius On 5/24/07, Bill_J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if we put politics inside parentheses in the subject? Then you don't even need to open it. Somtimes politics need discussing because of Medicare/ Medicaid/VA issues, etc. Bill age 56 C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Leesburg, FL Welcome To Shit Creek ~ Sorry, We're Out of Paddles! - Original Message - From: Merrill Burghardt To: quad-list@eskimo.com ; Jakie Roger Hlavek Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] About wheelchair users keeping their heads down in public .. and ditto that. .. and ditto the political poop, no one cares, and my delete key is wearing thin these days. Inelegant people are recognized by their ON TOPIC posts 1 Merrill From: andrea murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About wheelchair users keeping their heads down in public The Wheelchair Warrior does not put her head down for nobody. RISE your head high with pride. We are Free [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen Ron. Amen W In a message dated 5/23/2007 10:39:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I can hardly believe a magazine devoted to disabled persons would give advice to keep your head down in public and dont speak, but if this is true people need to boycott the magazine. Obviously the publishers are prejudice themselves and in the business for a profit only. I encourage new disabled individuals I meet to keep their head up and make eye contact. Using a wheelchair doesnt mean a person is unable to get respect or engage in a conversation. We are american citizens the same as any other walking person out there, and in turn are entitled to the same rights. Ron c7 See what's free at AOL.com. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -- The greatest danger of bombs is in the explosion of stupidity that they provoke. -Octave Mirbeau AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
Dear Stunt, Roosevelt's agreement with the saudis was to not back the existance of a jewish state in the middle east. oops! guess that agreement was a pile of lies. I'm very aware that most muslim states only put up with America. It makes little difference if they are bathist or shia or sunni. They aren't ready for ww3. If Saddam took saudi arabia it wouldn't bother me. We could have promised to stay out of it as long as we get tankers at $7 per barrel. Saddam would have jumped at it and some insane saudis would have crashed jets into him and murdered his family. The saudi royal family is a joke as is the amir of kuwait. A hundred years ago they were nothing but bedouin looking for a stranger in the desert to murder. There isn't a country over there that is worth the lives of one American soldier. America can hurt them all badly by becoming oil independant. Let them eat their oil. Osama would never of thought about attacking the US if we had just left it alone. In fact, Saddam probably would have wiped out his family. Iran would be peeing in its pants worrying about another war with Iraq. If he turned on Israel, they would have nuked him. The Bushes have what they believe are friends in the middle east. The rest of America doesn't! We could have been so happy if we had never sent any military into that hell hole. We could have built an entire industry based on not replacing oil. It is going to run out anyway. I know that you probably will never agree with me, but I honestly believe America is much better off forcing them to try to please us than we are trying to make that miserable bunch happy. Hope your summer ROCKS, john P.S. If it were up to me, I'd pull every American soldier back to a position near Basra and Turkey to make sure we get reciepts for the oil sales and let them have their civil war. If the outcome is unacceptable, we just remove another regime untill they get it right. In the meantime, we get Osama and drag him down broadway in his undies before we give him a fair trial and hang him from whatever building replaces the World Trade Center. -Original Message- From: Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 22 May 2007 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR A Dirty Bomb is very simple to construct. The Islamic Fascists have been building their brainwashed puppets of destruction for almost 60yrs. They've been killin Americans for OVER 30rs. We didn't start WWIII, they did. tHIS IS MUCH BIGGER THAN iRAQ. More-over, had we not removed Sadamn from Kuwait, the middle east would be on fire, the Saudi's would've viewed it as a violation of the Agreement FDR made with them, and it would have been the end of Israel. The big picture isn't pretty, but leaving Iraq with its terrorist problem would prolong this war, and world wide the US would be viewed as weak and unwilling to fight. Stunt On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stunt, should you ever want to discuss the complexity of developing a nuclear bomb program, let me know? We didn't need to fight Iraq in 1991. We could have made a deal with sadam to get 7 dollar a barrel oil for 40 years. Instead, we went to war to save a country that believes Americans are better off dead and giving their money to them. Why should we get involved in arab problems that freighten our enemies, (Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia)? Remember all the arab nations that joined us in pushing out Saddam? They didn't like us, they just hated Saddam. Now we are teaching arabs how to train competant armies and loosing soldiers at a rate of 3 a day and a billion dollars a week. We didn't pay attention to french and british failures in the middle east, well, we did, but we elected people that failed history or just can't read. Are American lives worth less if they put on a uniform? Send your answer to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR Sorry, But Sadamned was still developing WMD's. It wasn't untill after he was caught, that the wacky Kadafi quickly decided to give up (what he claimed) was his countries WMD program. Big surprise was his Iraqi scientists. No way in hell Sadamned would have allowed his scientists to develope a nuke for another dictator. Anyone who doubts this need only look at his history and the facts. He was paying off Kadafi with money scammed from the Oil for Food instead of feeding the Kurds and Sunni. The UN was considering lifting restrictions set by the 1991 ceasefire treaty that Sadamned violated too many times to list. If all of Iraq's WMD's had been destroyed under UN supervision, as per the treaty he signed. then we'd have known exactly what happened. Instead, all those so called relief
Re: [QUAD-L] cushions
I was told that a cushion such as a roho quatro could be replaced if it was not repairable. (it can be patched similar to an inner tube on a tire) john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 2:43 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] cushions does anybody know how often we can get a new cushion thru the medicaid waiver program? I know chairs are 5 yrs. diane See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Gas
I'm waiting for beano to come out in patch form.. john -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Gas Sorry to add to this burgeoning topic, but I often have problems with this also, but it is usually something that I have eaten. I had a tremendous amount of problems with my bowels constantly being irritated and tremendous amounts of gas about two years ago. In fact, it was so bad I was becoming somewhat depressed. I ended up seeing a psychotherapist and he suggested that I keep a food journal and speak with the VA dietitian. Using my food journal, the dietitian quickly identified most of my problems as being more lactose intolerant than I had previously believed and taking in too much fiber at one time. I really think seeing a dietitian and having a food journal in hand might solve plenty of your problems. I use lactose tablets in order to eat anything with dairy and I also use Beano whenever I eat something that causes gas normally (beans). This has helped considerably. My dietitian told me these are enzymes with help the digestive system work better. I have also started using probiotics (found in yogurt) and I've even found some tablets so I don't have to eat a tub of yogurt per day. Quadius On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At times I know I can produce enough gas to be considered an alternative source of fuel. I find it helps to roll on my left side for a few minutes each morning. I use a high velocity window fan so my aids don't quit. May as well laugh and stay away from broccoli. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Gas Gas …, and not from the gas pump. I complained of my stomach bloating. Worst is the pain! So I take Prilosec, Renetadine, and anti-acid. Still the two issues persist and the SCI doctor said, it is part of the injury for quads to bloat. I can not accept this to be true. Any other gas problems? Merrill AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com . AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
Ok, osama bin Laden is a member of the Bin Laden family which runs a multi-billion dollar engineering company. They built and designed all the saudi palaces and Bin Laden's daddy is very close t the Saudi royal family and Bin Laden has worked all over the world building mosques, roads and pipelines. We never sold poison gas to any country! The US has been destroying poison gas and biological weapons unilaterally since 1971. We have sold nuclear weapons to the UK. I personally don't believe Osama was responsible for the WTC. He isn't that smart. With that said, I think he knew about it and it was an al qiada operation. He is guilty by asociation but it wasn't his idea and he was merely kept aware that an attack of some kind was to take place. Inteligence says there were to be 12 jets hijacked that day. The hijackers were mostly Saudi, Kuwaiti, and Egyptian. No Iraqi's were involved. In fact, Al qiada in Iraq was operated by a Jordanian. He is dead and it is now run by an Egyptian. In 1991 America sent 400,000 troops into Saudi Arabia. This is a country that beheads people for violating the Quran. It is considered by many Muslims to be holy ground. Christians are tolerated as embassadors and expected to behave with respect toward Muslim laws and not draw attention to themselves. Many Muslims, even moderates, felt there was no reason to have so many infidels in their holy land. They blame the Royal Family as much as they bame America for this violation. Most would have rather seen Saddam replace the royal family. Wy were we there? Was it our place to save muslims from muslims? How would catholics feel if Osama sent a bodyguard for the pope and dismissed his security people? Its a religous and emotonal hornets nest we stirred up. When the war was over, Americans didn't go home. We kept over 100,000 infidels in Saudi Arabia. We have managed to offend the sensibilities of the entire muslim world. Most muslims think we only went to Saudi Arabia to test our weapons on muslims and steal oil. Can a billion muslims all be wrong? john -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR He's a member of the Royal Saudi family Luis Not that I disagree with everything you have said, but Osama bin Laden is not a member of the Saudi royal family. He is from a wealthy Yemen family which has good connections with the Saudi royal family. Big difference. Quadius On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I know is that Saddam was OUR MAN because, using the poison-gas bombs WE provided he fought Iran. I saw Rumsfeld (remember him? the guy with the wall face?) EMBRACED WITH SADDAN HUSSEIN. My question is who was responsible for 9/11? where is HE? why we don't put the military might we display in Irak in finding the ONE RESPONSIBLE? WANT A GUESS? He's a member of the Royal Saudi family, the same whose interests are guarded by an International Lawyers firm on Wall St NY that is formed by many members of the present administration. People tend to believe what is fed to the general public. Guess this stupid CIVIL war is left to those that have interest in it and recall all the troops. LuisM 'Nam 1967 See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Another try at a new chair
Lower the air preasure in your van tires to 28 lbs.(don't drive fast with tires mildly deflated and they will wear faster) or replace your shock absorbers with the cheap shocks. You can even lower tire preasure on your wheelchair to get a more comfortable ride. I like when whoever is driving goes slow. If a permobile is bouncing, it may have the frame over torqued. Try to find another DME to get your new chair through. 3 1/2 years is just incompetance. john -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 7:27 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Another try at a new chair I started the process of getting a new chair about 3 1/2 years ago and finally gave up when they could not get the Invacare they ordered for me to fit me properly. It is just darn near impossible to get the Invacare vendors to do what they say they will. I have also given up on the idea that Peachtree will come out with a headdress that is close to the one be used to produce. I happen to see a young man driving a Permobile using a chin control (with one of those new, less cumbersome bibs) and he was able to function real well. The reason I paid attention to him is because he is extremely active like I am and has about the exact same return. Since I have come to the realization that I will have to go to a different drive system (no more Peachtree), I am leaning toward the new small chin control with the bib. I have heard that Permobiles bounce around in the van almost uncontrollably. Does anyone have any experience with this problem? The young man I talked to said he didn't have that problem, but he may just be accustomed to it. I used to think it was normal for me to bounce around in my Van, but I later learned that if I sat upright (that is of course if my blood pressure would let me) I rode much more comfortably. Thanks for the input. Quadius AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Gas
At times I know I can produce enough gas to be considered an alternative source of fuel. I find it helps to roll on my left side for a few minutes each morning. I use a high velocity window fan so my aids don't quit. May as well laugh and stay away from broccoli. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Gas Gas …, and not from the gas pump. I complained of my stomach bloating. Worst is the pain! So I take Prilosec, Renetadine, and anti-acid. Still the two issues persist and the SCI doctor said, “it is part of the injury for quads to bloat. I can not accept this to be true. Any other gas problems? Merrill AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?)
It's been here awhile. Military wanted to use it but they got so much heat from religous groups they backed off. It is not exactly cheap but many high ranking officers in hot zones as well as special forces are using an rfid transponder implant. It is available for public and being used in high kidnapping areas. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/735210/posts?page=16 that was 5 years ago. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?) I heard they're trying to incorporate a radio transponder GPS in a chip. Not quite there yet. Bill age 56 C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Leesburg, FL Welcome To Shit Creek ~ Sorry, We're Out of Paddles! - Original Message - From: Tim Syfert To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?) Quadius, I believe you are correct. RFID is not GPS. They don't locate missing people. Basically an implanted ID card. Tim Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite sure if these things have GPS capability, if they don't, your analogy about the soldiers doesn't really apply. If there is a GPS type of chip, why don't our soldiers have them when they are in a combat zone? Just my two cents. Quadius On 5/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that social security numbers are the mark of the beast, and so are drivers liscenses and credit card numbers. If our soldiers had rfid there wouldn't be three missing soldiers getting tortured to death or even missing bodies. If you have alzhiemers you should be allowed rfid to help locate you for your own safety. If you believe rfid is the mark of the beast you should be forced to wear an aluminum foil beany so the rest of us know who the mentally defective people are without having to talk to them. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 7:19 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?) Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest 19 May 2007 NewScientist.com news service Celeste BieverIT LOOKS deceptively familiar. The patient rolls up his sleeve, the doctor sticks a needle into his arm, and soon it's all over. But this is no routine vaccination. Instead, the patient has been injected with a fleck of silicon that will uniquely identify him when zapped with radio waves. Now, nearly three years after their use was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration, implantable radio frequency identification (RFID) chips are the focus of a new controversy.The battle lines are being drawn in a quiet corner of West Palm Beach, Florida. On 12 May, some 30 protesters held an inter-faith prayer vigil (pictured above) outside Alzheimer's Community Care, a day-care facility for people with dementia. At issue is the facility's plan to implant 200 patients with microchips manufactured and donated by VeriChip of nearby Delray Beach. When scanned, the chip reveals a unique ID number, which when entered into a password-protected database gives access to medical information about its owner.If the plan goes ahead, it will be the first time the technology has been tried on a group of people with a specific mental impairment. The forgetfulness that comes with Alzheimer's can make it impossible for people with the condition to pass on vital information when faced with a medical emergency, which is why advocates are keen to make use of RFID chips with this group.If for whatever reason - an automobile accident or hurricane - the person becomes separated from their loved one, they are totally, totally helpless. They can't share what medically is wrong with them, says Mary Barnes of Alzheimer's Community Care. This could be a safety net.Privacy advocates say that it is precisely this helplessness that makes the proposed use of the tags unacceptable. This is a community that is not in a position to give fully informed consent or to say no, says Katherine Albrecht of CASPIAN, an Internet-based consumer rights organisation. The nature of the disease is that they can't fully understand.Albrecht likens the violent and invasive act of implanting a chip in someone who does not have the ability to consent to the act of rape. Others agree with the sentiment, if not the comparison. This is by definition a way of doing something that denies a person control, says Lee Tien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. If that doesn't strike at the heart of human dignity, I don't know what does. He and Albrecht would rather see a chip implanted in a bracelet.Barnes says a bracelet would not be nearly
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
Stunt, should you ever want to discuss the complexity of developing a nuclear bomb program, let me know? We didn't need to fight Iraq in 1991. We could have made a deal with sadam to get 7 dollar a barrel oil for 40 years. Instead, we went to war to save a country that believes Americans are better off dead and giving their money to them. Why should we get involved in arab problems that freighten our enemies, (Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia)? Remember all the arab nations that joined us in pushing out Saddam? They didn't like us, they just hated Saddam. Now we are teaching arabs how to train competant armies and loosing soldiers at a rate of 3 a day and a billion dollars a week. We didn't pay attention to french and british failures in the middle east, well, we did, but we elected people that failed history or just can't read. Are American lives worth less if they put on a uniform? Send your answer to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR Sorry, But Sadamned was still developing WMD's. It wasn't untill after he was caught, that the wacky Kadafi quickly decided to give up (what he claimed) was his countries WMD program. Big surprise was his Iraqi scientists. No way in hell Sadamned would have allowed his scientists to develope a nuke for another dictator. Anyone who doubts this need only look at his history and the facts. He was paying off Kadafi with money scammed from the Oil for Food instead of feeding the Kurds and Sunni. The UN was considering lifting restrictions set by the 1991 ceasefire treaty that Sadamned violated too many times to list. If all of Iraq's WMD's had been destroyed under UN supervision, as per the treaty he signed. then we'd have known exactly what happened. Instead, all those so called relief flights by the Soviets, back and forth to Syria, are still in question. Seems those relief supplies were as elusive as the WMD's. Think it was a bad idea to invade when we did? Given a few more weeks to prepair, the Iraqi's could have caused more damage. His two wack job son's would still be waiting their turn, and we'd be facing Iraq armed with a nuke. Stunt BTW, I'd have to advise that War is Hell, but not fighting one can lead to a living hell. On 5/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had an administration, with the best military, the best international intelligence, the world's best spy program, bar none, that snookered the world into believing that a small country possessed weapons of mass destruction, against the advise of other countries, who said that weapons of mass destruction didn't exist. Years later oops and look at the cost of precious lives on both sides, not to mention the money that could have been better spent. Today, we know that millions of dollars and it could be billions in green American cash has been shipped over and unaccounted for. Hope it changes, for the sake of my fellow mens and womens W In a message dated 5/19/2007 12:54:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: didn't AL GORE invent SCIs Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are those who think it's all President Bush's fault that they're still quads. Facts just tend to get in the way, frustrating them into a tizzy about everything. Must be a real bummer not being able to shrug it off and LAUGH a little. Me? My job is to try to get at least one laugh out of my aids etc each day. Stunt See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
I thought al gore invented global warming? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR didn't AL GORE invent SCIs Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are those who think it's all President Bush's fault that they're still quads. Facts just tend to get in the way, frustrating them into a tizzy about everything. Must be a real bummer not being able to shrug it off and LAUGH a little. Me? My job is to try to get at least one laugh out of my aids etc each day. Stunt On 5/17/07, ~LittleQuad~ wrote: not happy person huh? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the answer to this one! CMS has never done anything right. If you got what you neded in a timely mannor it was pure luck. CMS has nothing in their charter that requires they do anything right, or timely. The only thing that has to happen is political friends get wealthy. Oil companies, drug companies, Military arms suppliers must be rolling in money so they in turn donate preposterous sums to politicians. The reason the IRS does taxes for each and every federal politician is so the dummy claims his bribes and doesn't get in trouble. Did anyone notice that oil companies didn't have winfall profits untill they took away the tax on winfall profits. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR But...how long has CMS had to get it right? Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:10 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR Most will be very surprised and disappointed with CMS new procedures to prevent fraud. CMS has created 5 groups of acceptable electric wheelchairs. A new chairs have to be designed, engineered and manufactured around these new 5 groups. Competitive bidding, in 10 areas of this country. If you are a local DME and you try to quote higher than the competitive high you lose. This will add to the time of getting a new chair from beginning to receipt. As I said, its not very pretty. W In a message dated 5/15/2007 1:21:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Invacare seems to have some good designs but then its like before we can have there chair, a bean counter reduces quality of parts and downsizes the batteries. Mine has enough clearance to hold two very large batteries yet it has two tiny batteries and to reduce power and life even more the chair comes with gell cels that only put out 50 amps. (100 combined). The motors are also downgraded from whats available. I've had luck with the DME. They come ASAP and do their best to fix everything as fast as posible. I'm glad we have any choice at all. Medicare is trying to get us all to ride in Jazzys. This is the wheelchair version of a barbi car. John Smith - Original Message See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
I don't blame bush. He has done an awful lot to make people push for a minimal IQ test for politicians. He pretty much proved our inteligence doesn't work. I use to think the CIA hired smart people. I'm sure you make your aids laugh. I always get a snicker (snicker, snicker, snicker)-bush laugh immitation. john hope your feeling good stunt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR didn't AL GORE invent SCIs Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are those who think it's all President Bush's fault that they're still quads. Facts just tend to get in the way, frustrating them into a tizzy about everything. Must be a real bummer not being able to shrug it off and LAUGH a little. Me? My job is to try to get at least one laugh out of my aids etc each day. Stunt On 5/17/07, ~LittleQuad~ wrote: not happy person huh? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the answer to this one! CMS has never done anything right. If you got what you neded in a timely mannor it was pure luck. CMS has nothing in their charter that requires they do anything right, or timely. The only thing that has to happen is political friends get wealthy. Oil companies, drug companies, Military arms suppliers must be rolling in money so they in turn donate preposterous sums to politicians. The reason the IRS does taxes for each and every federal politician is so the dummy claims his bribes and doesn't get in trouble. Did anyone notice that oil companies didn't have winfall profits untill they took away the tax on winfall profits. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR But...how long has CMS had to get it right? Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:10 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR Most will be very surprised and disappointed with CMS new procedures to prevent fraud. CMS has created 5 groups of acceptable electric wheelchairs. A new chairs have to be designed, engineered and manufactured around these new 5 groups. Competitive bidding, in 10 areas of this country. If you are a local DME and you try to quote higher than the competitive high you lose. This will add to the time of getting a new chair from beginning to receipt. As I said, its not very pretty. W In a message dated 5/15/2007 1:21:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Invacare seems to have some good designs but then its like before we can have there chair, a bean counter reduces quality of parts and downsizes the batteries. Mine has enough clearance to hold two very large batteries yet it has two tiny batteries and to reduce power and life even more the chair comes with gell cels that only put out 50 amps. (100 combined). The motors are also downgraded from whats available. I've had luck with the DME. They come ASAP and do their best to fix everything as fast as posible. I'm glad we have any choice at all. Medicare is trying to get us all to ride in Jazzys. This is the wheelchair version of a barbi car. John Smith - Original Message See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?)
I've heard that social security numbers are the mark of the beast, and so are drivers liscenses and credit card numbers. If our soldiers had rfid there wouldn't be three missing soldiers getting tortured to death or even missing bodies. If you have alzhiemers you should be allowed rfid to help locate you for your own safety. If you believe rfid is the mark of the beast you should be forced to wear an aluminum foil beany so the rest of us know who the mentally defective people are without having to talk to them. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 7:19 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest/(Are we next?) Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest 19 May 2007 NewScientist.com news service Celeste Biever IT LOOKS deceptively familiar. The patient rolls up his sleeve, the doctor sticks a needle into his arm, and soon it's all over. But this is no routine vaccination. Instead, the patient has been injected with a fleck of silicon that will uniquely identify him when zapped with radio waves. Now, nearly three years after their use was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration, implantable radio frequency identification (RFID) chips are the focus of a new controversy. The battle lines are being drawn in a quiet corner of West Palm Beach, Florida. On 12 May, some 30 protesters held an inter-faith prayer vigil (pictured above) outside Alzheimer's Community Care, a day-care facility for people with dementia. At issue is the facility's plan to implant 200 patients with microchips manufactured and donated by VeriChip of nearby Delray Beach. When scanned, the chip reveals a unique ID number, which when entered into a password-protected database gives access to medical information about its owner. If the plan goes ahead, it will be the first time the technology has been tried on a group of people with a specific mental impairment. The forgetfulness that comes with Alzheimer's can make it impossible for people with the condition to pass on vital information when faced with a medical emergency, which is why advocates are keen to make use of RFID chips with this group. If for whatever reason - an automobile accident or hurricane - the person becomes separated from their loved one, they are totally, totally helpless. They can't share what medically is wrong with them, says Mary Barnes of Alzheimer's Community Care. This could be a safety net. Privacy advocates say that it is precisely this helplessness that makes the proposed use of the tags unacceptable. This is a community that is not in a position to give fully informed consent or to say no, says Katherine Albrecht of CASPIAN, an Internet-based consumer rights organisation. The nature of the disease is that they can't fully understand. Albrecht likens the violent and invasive act of implanting a chip in someone who does not have the ability to consent to the act of rape. Others agree with the sentiment, if not the comparison. This is by definition a way of doing something that denies a person control, says Lee Tien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. If that doesn't strike at the heart of human dignity, I don't know what does. He and Albrecht would rather see a chip implanted in a bracelet. Barnes says a bracelet would not be nearly as useful. People might remove it if it got uncomfortable, especially those with Alzheimer's, who might not understand why they should wear it. Bracelets could also label people as mentally ill, whereas an implanted chip is much less obvious, says Rick Rader of the Orange Grove Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The centre, which cares for children with Down's syndrome, cerebral palsy and autism, was in the media spotlight two years ago when it considered using VeriChip's device in a similar study on its patients, a plan that has since been put on the back burner. At the time there was an outcry from those who saw an implantable RFID as reminiscent of the mark of the beast, as described in the book of Revelations. As explained on Albrecht's website, the Bible states that people who take the mark of the beast - a mark on the right hand or the forehead that contains a number or a name that is required for buying and selling - will receive a grievous sore as well as the wrath of God, while those who refuse will be rewarded. It is something Albrecht, a Christian, takes seriously. I don't think anyone is arguing that the VeriChip implant in its current incarnation would meet that definition, she says. But the concern for many people is that this would be a necessary precursor to getting to that point and therefore probably should be objected to. From issue 2604 of New Scientist magazine, 19 May 2007, page 14 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from
Re: [QUAD-L] Bursitis
YOU NEED ANTI BIOTICS TO CURE BUSITIS. It won't go away by treating the effects. It is an infection. LittleQ, go see a doctor ASAP. I had bursitis and it HURTS. But it clears up rather easy if your doctor has a pen handy. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 13 May 2007 6:22 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Bursitis Haa anyone had bursitis in their hips? Apparently I've got it, don't know how but I want it to turn me loose! I don't like cortisone shots and celebrex is hard to come by. Any home remedies? AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR
In Ohio, Wheelchair's that need to be customized, such as, recline, tilt in space, power vents and such took about 6 months before. I was told by my facilitators that it could take as much as a year with new procedures. When my chair is 6 years old I intend to begin the replacement process. You know this is gone send the suicide rate higher. I find most people get depressed while awaiting some inbred mouth breathing nincompoop of a bureaucrat to rubber stamp things that are medically necessary. The biggest waste of money in our healthcare system seems to be the bureaucrats that perform such limited functions that nobody notices they died untill paperwork is backed up over a year. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 3:09 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] NEW CHAIR Most will be very surprised and disappointed with CMS new procedures to prevent fraud. CMS has created 5 groups of acceptable electric wheelchairs. A new chairs have to be designed, engineered and manufactured around these new 5 groups. Competitive bidding, in 10 areas of this country. If you are a local DME and you try to quote higher than the competitive high you lose. This will add to the time of getting a new chair from beginning to receipt. As I said, its not very pretty. W In a message dated 5/15/2007 1:21:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Invacare seems to have some good designs but then its like before we can have there chair, a bean counter reduces quality of parts and downsizes the batteries. Mine has enough clearance to hold two very large batteries yet it has two tiny batteries and to reduce power and life even more the chair comes with gell cels that only put out 50 amps. (100 combined). The motors are also downgraded from whats available. I've had luck with the DME. They come ASAP and do their best to fix everything as fast as posible. I'm glad we have any choice at all. Medicare is trying to get us all to ride in Jazzys. This is the wheelchair version of a barbi car. John Smith - Original Message See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Pain Relief
After meeting a few DEA agents and listening to there nazi-like rants, any sane person finds them intimidating. In the past few years they have imprisoned a number of doctors that were merely guilty of perscribing pain meds to people that the DEA paid to impersonate people in pain. (your tax dollars at work) These are the same guys that train south American death squads. Yes, your doctor has every right to be scared. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Pain Relief Well the government is coming down and finally did do something. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/business/11drug-web.html Mark Jackson RollinOn From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:49 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Pain Relief I can’t believe it is so hard to get doctors to help with pain meds. They try to push you off to other doctors because they are too scared to write prescriptions for medications like Oxycontin or MS-Contin, etc. I always get the same excuse… The Government really is coming down on doctors who over prescribe these drugs. Well them, don’t over prescribe and keep good records. Worry more about your patient… Think of your Hippocratic Oath. That is to us, not the government. These meds are like your wanting to go snort coke with a hooker. There are so many very hard meds out there, I don’t know why these became so evil. I know they are abused a lot, but that should not mean they should not be used properly. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Pain Relief
Did anyone really not know that oxycontin was addictive? Beside Rush Limbaugh? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Pain Relief But this was a good thing the government did. The company misled the government and the people about how addicting the medication is. That is what the government should do. They should not bother doctors who are giving it to cancer patients and others in major pain. And doctors should give it to those who need it, even if it means the government might want to check their records. Greg Well the government is coming down and finally did do something. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/business/11drug-web.html Mark Jackson RollinOn I can’t believe it is so hard to get doctors to help with pain meds. They try to push you off to other doctors because they are too scared to write prescriptions for medications like Oxycontin or MS-Contin, etc. I always get the same excuse… The Government really is coming down on doctors who over prescribe these drugs. Well them, don’t over prescribe and keep good records. Worry more about your patient… Think of your Hippocratic Oath. That is to us, not the government. These meds are like your wanting to go snort coke with a hooker. There are so many very hard meds out there, I don’t know why these became so evil. I know they are abused a lot, but that should not mean they should not be used properly. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Dizzy Miss Lizzy
I've had trouble with dizzyness for 31 years. When I move, roll, roll my eyes, sit up. Oh yeah, had a TBI. Nevermind! john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Dizzy Miss Lizzy Hi Guys, I've been taking Nurotin(sp) for about six months now for nerve pain. The past week I've been getting dizzy when I turn in bed when getting dressed, sitting up in bed, reclining in my chair and even if I sit forward like over a table. Now none of this is every time but it's beginning to cramp my style. I saw my visiting nurse today BP was 70 over 105 which is kinda normal for me. She suggested increasing my salt intake like with Gatorade or potato chips but don't go nuts. She left me a phone message so when I got home at 8:30 tonight I called he and left her this fowling message: Hi Jinifer, I just wanted to let you know that I got an extra large jug of Gatorade, drank about half of it then I ate a salt bagel and a half of a bag of potato chips. I'm just doing what you told me. Bye Anybody else here have trouble with dizziness? Bobbie See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] summer heat
Ants are easily treated. I spread diazanon around the house and in the drains. I hate the damn centipedes that bite. I'm ambivelent about mice since they eat insects. I do hate waking up with mice on me. I do put out mice and rat poison. I think it keeps them healthy. I found that by mixing plaster with sugar in a tin pan and set it in strategic places, no more cockroaches. I think I as much on pest control as I do in bath products. My last neighbors were pigs. I'll be surprized if we ever get rid of all the critters and bugs they attracted. I had a cat but it ran away. Toiok its fleas with it. Good ridance. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] summer heat I always panic whenever I see ants in the house. I had one crawling around on me one night when no one was around. It was a terrible night, all I kept thinking about was can't that thing get close enough so I can at least bite the head off. Yes... I was that desperate. I was lucky I didn't bite me. Quadius On 5/8/07, KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have had so much rain the ants are coming inside. Since I have no feeling in most of my body, that is BAD! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal
I've been taking hydrocodone for a few years and uhm, no! I wouldn't go cold turkey for nothing. If you had a pump inside the doctor should have helped you taper off. It will be a few weeks of hell the way your doing it. I wish you the best but I wish you would have gotten something to help you taper off. This could easily cause you to go into autonomic dysreflexia. You are just beginning. Call your doctor and ask about some methadone to help you quit. One mg. isn't a lot but if your addicted to it, You are addicted to it. Doesn't your Doctor like you? (Btw, miralax works for the tummy trouble.) I wish you the best of luck. I wish you a few hydrocodone to taper off with, too. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:00 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal Curious if any of you with pumps ever requested the morphine be taken out? I did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably overwhelming and rough weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the withdrawal symptoms but having been a patient this long common sense told me there would be some. I was on 1mg for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 pound body it apparently was! Anyway the morphine wasn't doing anything but causing major tummy troubles so I wanted to decease it. Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it. Moods were up and down and weird too! Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I was hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in the hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I finally just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass and I would settle down and sleep. Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol. So I repeated Saturday on Sunday with a stopped up nose. Then bed time at 7, hopping from beds, hard one to soft one...my legs laid there and cramped but no twitching. So it was peaceful. This morning I was awake at 6am again but in chair by 830am. I'm really weak today, very alert and doing better. Plan on giving my doctor's office three shades of hell on Wednesday! So word to the wise, be well prepared if you go off morphine without slowly decreasing it. Sorry to babble just want to warn anyone heading that way! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury
I wonder what it does after 31 years post injury. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:51 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury Mon May 7, 2007 11:36AM EDT NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The bone drug Fosamax (also called alendronate) given soon after spinal cord injury prevents bone loss associated with the injury, a study suggests. People who've suffered spinal cord injury are at risk for rapid bone loss occurring below the level of the injury due to an increase in the harmful process of bone resorption as well as impaired bone formation, thereby predisposing them to osteoporosis and bone fractures. In their study, Dr. Nigel L. Gilchrist, of The Princess Margaret Hospital, Christchurch, New Zealand, and colleagues randomly assigned 31 spinal cord injury patients to Fosamax (70 milligrams per week) or placebo, within 10 days of injury, for 12 months. The team measured bone mineral density (BMD) at various sites including the lumbar spine, hip, femoral neck (the area where thigh bone meets the hip) and total body at the start of treatment and at 3, 6, 12, and 18 months. The researchers observed significant changes favoring the Fosamax group for five of six total body BMD measurements across 18 months. In this study, write the authors, preservation of BMD with alendronate was clearly demonstrated. Whether such treatment prevents lower limb fractures in the longer term remains to be investigated, they note. SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, April 2007. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] drugs
Excuse me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused by near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any of us are taking drugs we don't need. People, take your drugs wisely! john 31 years post, C-5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[QUAD-L] weather must be nice
Either i'm not getting my mail or y'all got lives going on. It's the same here. Weathers gorgeous. Hope your not all in jail from that ADAPT move to force Tennessee to allow human rights to handicapped. I hope everyone is well. john AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Doctors Statement
I don't know where you live. You would have to meet with the doctor and bring your records. I'd guess you would want to see a urologist. I don't know many doctors that write statements without meeting someone, in fact, I don't know any. The doctor would want to be sure the prostate has been removed. I'm sure if a doctor removed your prostate, he would put it in writing. Good Luck, john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 6:30 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Doctors Statement I thought this was so clear cut but apparently I am vary mistaken I am requesting from anyone who can refer me to a doctor willing to write a statement for me. I need a statement that is to state in a sentance that a folly injury more likely than not was the cause of the remval of a prostate. Records can be sent but my time is short. Please forward this if you like. Thanks to all, Merrill AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary?
I understand and I appreciate the gravity of the subject. i don't know the John in question. john 50yld 31 yrs post C-5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary? John, glad to hear that it was not a you they referred to and you are alive and well. But the John in question is still unknown. Below is the post that prompted the e-mail. Dan T. To me it sounded as if he was almost bipolar, but that is mere speculation based on all of the information I heard I don't believe I ever came out and said what truly was going on in JOHN's life. One of the truly sad part of the story was that he was actually on the phone with his best friend and his wife when the sheriff's department showed up, after being called to the scene by a concerned neighbor. Believe it or not, he told his friend and wife that he was going to have to go because the police were breaking down the door and he needed to end things. The deputies that went in to check on his well-being then heard a shot in the garage and found him there with a gunshot wound to the head. Many people around here, including myself, are really tore up about this, but one of the overwhelming emotions that comes out in this particular type of case is anger. Why did it have to come to this? The only good thing that came out of this is that the television station started to discuss suicide much more than they had in the past. I had noticed the absolute absence of the subject and considering that it accounts for many more deaths in my area than homicide, I think preventive measures and signs should be publicized much more readily by the broadcast systems. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch Dan. I've never tried suicide. I'm sure that dashes some hopes. Not sure why you would think I did that. Quadius, do you have some thoughts bugging you? Somehow I can't find the rest of this thread. I hope everyone is in good spirits. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary? Are you referring to the John that used to post here and often lengthy posts involving government history etc.? Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me it sounded as if he was almost bipolar, but that is mere speculation based on all of the information I heard I don't believe I ever came out and said what truly was going on in John's life. One of the truly sad part of the story was that he was actually on the phone with his best friend and his wife when the sheriff's department showed up, after being called to the scene by a concerned neighbor. Believe it or not, he told his friend and wife that he was going to have to go because the police were breaking down the door and he needed to end things. The deputies that went in to check on his well-being then heard a shot in the garage and found him there with a gunshot wound to the head. Many people around here, including myself, are really tore up about this, but one of the overwhelming emotions that comes out in this particular type of case is anger. Why did it have to come to this? The only good thing that came out of this is that the television station started to discuss suicide much more than they had in the past. I had noticed the absolute absence of the subject and considering that it accounts for many more deaths in my area than homicide, I think preventive measures and signs should be publicized much more readily by the broadcast systems. When I was in the Army I went through a case where a young woman took her life and like most, there were signs that people missed. Thankfully the Army makes sure everyone has suicide prevention training on a yearly basis. I sincerely hope this station and the others in this area will consider similar measures. Thanks for the inquiry. Quadius On 4/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever know why he committed suicide? Dana he had no hope for some reason! See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] TDX 5
You might consider getting your chair presure mapped.I have a TDX3 and it sucked untill I had that done. I still have it and use it everyday. I've heard a lot of people dis this chair but aside from having dorky little batteries, it does pretty good. (I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just use to crappy chairs) john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 4:59 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] TDX 5 This chair is only good for confined spaces, I feel every little bump,probably 1 reason my skin keeps breaking down.I'm getting the winter blues in autumn.I'll probably be dropping out for a while given a $6,800.00 internet bill.That's what happens when you rely on others,they don't see the importance of doing it right. Rob. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone
I vote for the behind the neck headsets with mics. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 5:06 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone Has anyone had good/bad experiences with some microphones that Mount behind the head? are they comfortable, uncomfortable. Dan T. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] ROHO Cushion
There's an interesting topic. I have never met a nudist in a wheelchair?The things I miss seeing...tsk, tsk. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ROHO Cushion So you're a nudist! Dan V At 05:25 PM 4/26/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that elicited my response: Cushion pressure and cover size are VERY critical to good seating. I hate to chg covers because they seem to be different sizes which leads me to have to change pressure in my cushion - a big pain. I now use two towels sewn together to make a pillow case type cover. I fold the extra 18 inch portion over the top and sit ob that - thus giving me 3 towel thicknesses between my skin and the rubber. Works well. Dave In a message dated 4/26/2007 2:10:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ROHO CUSION USERS: For over a year I was in constant resolution for getting sores from sitting. Six months ago a therapist ordered a new cover for my worn out cover. She noted that I was using a cover simply one size too big. Since then I have not had even one sore nor have I even done a weight shift. This was a wonderful revelation I wanted to pass on to others using ROHO. Merrill Dave Visit My Home Page See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] When ya travel.....do ya bring a caregiver?
When I use to travel, You can contact your local CIL (Center for Independant Living). They can be a huge help getting you in touch with the right people on the other end. Good Luck Paul, john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] When ya travel.do ya bring a caregiver? Hi, Wondering if anyone knows of any good caregivers I could use for a week in August in the New York/Connecticut area? Do you folks bring a caregiver and pay for their flight and hotel? Do you hire one wherever you might be going? Looking forward to your responses. Paul c5/6 San Diego, CA AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary?
Ouch Dan. I've never tried suicide. I'm sure that dashes some hopes. Not sure why you would think I did that. Quadius, do you have some thoughts bugging you? Somehow I can't find the rest of this thread. I hope everyone is in good spirits. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary? Are you referring to the John that used to post here and often lengthy posts involving government history etc.? Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me it sounded as if he was almost bipolar, but that is mere speculation based on all of the information I heard I don't believe I ever came out and said what truly was going on in John's life. One of the truly sad part of the story was that he was actually on the phone with his best friend and his wife when the sheriff's department showed up, after being called to the scene by a concerned neighbor. Believe it or not, he told his friend and wife that he was going to have to go because the police were breaking down the door and he needed to end things. The deputies that went in to check on his well-being then heard a shot in the garage and found him there with a gunshot wound to the head. Many people around here, including myself, are really tore up about this, but one of the overwhelming emotions that comes out in this particular type of case is anger. Why did it have to come to this? The only good thing that came out of this is that the television station started to discuss suicide much more than they had in the past. I had noticed the absolute absence of the subject and considering that it accounts for many more deaths in my area than homicide, I think preventive measures and signs should be publicized much more readily by the broadcast systems. When I was in the Army I went through a case where a young woman took her life and like most, there were signs that people missed. Thankfully the Army makes sure everyone has suicide prevention training on a yearly basis. I sincerely hope this station and the others in this area will consider similar measures. Thanks for the inquiry. Quadius On 4/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever know why he committed suicide? Dana he had no hope for some reason! See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What the?
It could be true but it hasn't been spun into a positive move from the right wing yet. As soon as bill can blame it on feminists and democrats it will be true. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] What the? So you’re saying it’s not true? Mark Jackson RollinOn From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:18 PM To: 'Quad-List' Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] What the? I went to the link and noticed right away it was from a far-left newspaper that has made Bill O'Reilly's Hall of Shame. http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/mediadef.jsp Eric W Rudd -Original Message- From: RollinOn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:55 PM To: 'Quad-List' Subject: [QUAD-L] What the? Did anyone else read this? http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/77599.html Mark Jackson RollinOn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[QUAD-L] I'll limit my remarks
Jim, You have my appology. I am guessing I mixed you up with a different person. I should have appologized right away. I misread your post and I honestly believed you were a different person. I beg your forgiveness and hope your problems work out to your best interests. Stunt, I don't recall saying anything to offend you and I assure you I didn't mean to if I did. I am one of those Damn Liberals. I know your a conservative and I think we can agree to disagree amicably. I have an actual bachelor's degree in history and I do mentoring and a little tutoring. (be afraid) lol To whoever said lincoln was the first to suspend the bill of rights, well, he actually suspended the right to habius corpus which certainly led to widespread abuse, but before him, Andrew Jackson openly violated supreme court rulings when forcing all native Americans to Oklahoma. Indians with American citizenship had to go, but those that had obtained North Carolina citizenship came under the protection of the state militia. A lovely subject that split the nation 170 years ago. I'll discuss history or politics privately if you like. I'll do my best not to write when I'm zapped on anti biotics and pain meds and I would like you all to know that I really wasn't trying to offend or hurt anyones feelings. God Bless, john AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?
I do not recall liberals or liberal media being anti God? I'm not real sure about the little prayers your talking about, like, dear God let him miss me!. Do you think when a sociopathic person explodes and kills a bunch of people, its a religous epiphany? Was it any different from a car bomb in Bahgdad. Well, yes its different! But it helps remind you that you should be thankfull for all the people you love because one nutcase can take it all away no matter what you do. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU? Prayers for the little things, such as when something slips out of my hand and I utter a quick prayer, don't let it fall on the floor and it catches on my lap. Interesting note: I read a post the other day of someone who didn't believe God helps with things that happen in our lives especially the little things. Isn't it ironic, the liberal media (and individuals) that denounce God and claim he does not exist, where are they now? Sitting at a prayer vigil in Virginia. God help us all. (Boy the emails will fly now) Glenn A Henry See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU?
When you say get through it, do you mean be happy or just prolong the agony? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU? My Family and Good Friends. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: Dan T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:16 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What strengthens YOU? My faith and family... DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto, DD.. (say THAT real fast three times.) I'm really diggin' my 4 year old and starting to like the 2 little ones too. Dave Patty's Grandkids Dave In a message dated 4/17/2007 5:25:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/17/2007 6:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is it that strengthens you to get through rough times and keep on persevering? For me it's been mainly two things: My 4 year old grand daughter and husband. -sometimes. Diane See what's free at AOL.com. Dave Visit My Home Page See what's free at AOL.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 4/18/2007 7:39 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 4/18/2007 7:39 AM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary?
I have never celebrated that anniversary. I have a problem with dates. You might notice it considering this letter is sort of belated. sometimes the TBI really comes through. Glad you can enjoy the date and I hope you had fun. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary? Sorry I'm late, But hope you celebrated like it was your birthday. Mine's April 19th Stunt On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, My 34th anniversary is April 17th and I want to really celebrate this year. I need some suggestions. So, any good, crazy, fun idea's? Bobbie See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Microphone positioning/selection
I use a microphone/stereo headset that goes around the back of my neck with a mic boom hanging from the right side. They come left sided too. Maybe you just need some duct tape? Bet you never thought of that?! lol john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:42 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Microphone positioning/selection Hello, I currently am using a Sensenbrenner microphone attached to a gooseneck arm and a base. When I am in my chair I use a gooseneck and microphone at a desk but when I am in bed I have to transfer the microphone and base to a cart and the gooseneck is getting weaker. What does anyone use to hold their microphone? do you like the wireless earpiece? Does it stay on? What microphone do you use and are you happy with it ? Is your microphone and its holder convenient for you? any input would be appreciated... Dan T. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] relationships and being a quad
Money is an issue that every couple has to come to grips with. handicapped or not. We all find middle grounds that suit us or we argue a lot about it. You got to decide if you love that person. If you love them and your alone now, you made a mistake. I have a sister that controls every freakin dime her husband brings home. Somehow they own 15 houses and appartment buildings and he gets a new truck each year. She gave me a $4500 mattress. Some people are gifted when it comes to money. He never made more than 55g in one year and she gets money by the truckload without going on a long drive. I think it is hard never getting on top in bed. Drives me crazy watching all the crap a woman has to put up with being around me. I thought those expences sounded reasonable. Were you upset because she didn't consult you first? Do you begin every responce to spending money with a sharp No!? Honestly, for those of you having a tough time in a relationship, you need to consider being alone. Control is important, but when your alone, just what is it that you control? Having been alone my entire crippled life I can tell you that I'd let a lot of little money arguements go and just be glad she said the car was from both of us. You can tell her you'd enjoy doing some of the shopping, but if your the guy that sulks everytime you sign a payment agreement, think how much pain and suffering shes saving you. I do wish you luck. hope money doesn't cripple your relationship. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] relationships and being a quad Good choice Ron for not married that Lady. I'm going to have my 25th wedding anniversary in June but my wife left me last October but we're still married. As for control, you have every right to fear the loss of control. I came home from rehab in October of 2000 and from that day my wife took control of everything and I had no say or little say from that day forward. I would ask her about finances and she would tell me not to worry about it and I would try to discipline the kids but she would tell them that they did not have to listen to me and she would not take me out very often until I was able to drive my own van. She was even really upset because she needed to take a day off from work to go with me to pick my van up and from there it just got worse. She did not discuss the purchase of a $6000 entertainment center or the $2200 washer and dryer or even the $5500 car that she just bought for our daughter without telling me so either myself or my friends could check i! t out. So my friend, I feel you made the right decision. Jim See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] relationships and being a quad
I was suggesting you try to work out something, but you got it figured out. I haven't been married because I like control, I had to learn that about myself. You obviously don't have a control problem. You have mastered the situation. If its any help, you can hire a woman for the night. Please don't come back with she ripped you off, cause you're in control now. If it makes any difference, you don't have to marry someone to have a relationship, and a marriage isn't proof of a relationship. Sorry I pissed you off with that namby pamby bullcrap about getting help to save your marriage. You didn't say you were divorced. I assumed you still talking and trying to make it work. Welcome to the singles. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] relationships and being a quad Since you have never had a relationship while being a quad what makes you an expert on relationships especially married couples? By your comments, it's obviously you have no clue at all what you are talking about when it comes to relationships especially being in a marriage. I should be grateful that my wife told my daughter that the car was from both of us! She never even told me that she bought the car until I found out three days later and that she paid for the dam thing out of my daughter's college fund and I'm supposed to be grateful that I'm not alone! Didn't you read the whole post especially the part where I mention that she left me last October. No, I am not 100% alone because my 24-year-old son is still living here but I might as well be alone because he is not around here that much due to work and spending time with his friends. Also, from having a 60K+ paycheck a year to living on SSDI, married couples need to discuss finances together because making house ! payments and utility payments and putting food on the table are a little bit more important than having a $6000 entertainment center when we already have four perfectly functioning TVs and spending $2200 on a washer and dryer when the ones we had worked just fine. But I suppose you would not understand that because you have never been in a marriage being a quadriplegic. Jim See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary?
Ok, that is funny. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] What should I do on my anniversary? Actualy I'm 12 today, although it feels like I'm begining to age in dog years. Stunt On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wishing you the best Stunt on your 100 birthday. That's a century, ain't it? W In a message dated 4/18/2007 4:19:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry I'm late, But hope you celebrated like it was your birthday. Mine's April 19th Stunt See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech-Comedy
Thank you very much. Often I'm afraid I'm offending people rather than making a contribution. I spent 22 years tutoring and mentoring local kids. I think I learned more than they did. I'm glad you find some entertainment in my remarks. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech-Comedy In a message dated 4/17/2007 3:06:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is admirably witty- and on drugs, at that! ;-) Not making fun John, love the posts, actually. On 4/17/07, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, where ever you got your education, I want to go there. Dan V Same could be said about George Carlin and Robin Williams. Look where it got them Pass the drugs and keep on posting! W See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Husbands
This is a topic that is often overlooked by many doctors treating such violent injuries. You have just lost a lot of your abilities and it is natural that you feel your husband isn't understanding your loss. Your husband just had a major loss too, and nobody is addressing his feelings. Please take the time to see a psychiatrist. I'm not saying you or your husband are doing anything wrong. You are being confronted with issues that many relationships never deal with and it is ok to ask for help. It is a big hurdle and many couples don't make it. Good luck, john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 7:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Husbands As I have told you all, I am a C4, my accident was just two years ago. I am 48, I have a husband I've been married to for 24 years, I raised three boys one is still at home. My husband is having a terrible time with my accident, he has been doing a lot of my care. I have hired home health to get me up and also have someone coming in for part of the day. I don't wanna lose him, I haven't found any support groups for him, are there any online? Any suggestions? Thanks Debbie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????
I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told them it was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for a long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his children. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in? I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ. lots of people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another. Sometimes it's tradition and/or money. and so far, there are two people here who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself here). granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line. But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line because that will never happen. ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster? LOL: http://www.venganza.org/ On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of other weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in America. Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA hates freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea. Dan H. -- Life is 440 horsepower in a 2-cylinder engine. -Henry Miller AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech
Imus excercized his free speech as did his sponsors. Free speech doesn't include yelling fire in a crowded theater and shouldn't cover hate speech that is intended to provoke a violent reaction. Don Imus wasn't arrested for what he said. He knows he went over the line which is more than can be said for so many others. Rush Limbaugh is still on the air which proves free speech is not only for inteligent people. I heard he has a new line of ties for the market. They go really good with brown shirts. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/10/07 at 11:23 AM, Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: While I don't agree with religious, racial or homosexual slurs, they aren't against the law. As far as I know. Yes, it is ignorant, but people are entitled to what they believe, and if they choose to voice their opinions, although they aren't politically correct, it is their right to do so. The apologies are to save face, that's all. I wouldn't intentionally insult anyone on their beliefs, race, or sexual preference. But it is a right, freedom of speech, which includes unfavorable speech as well. If I'm wrong, let me know. Seriously, let me know if I'm wrong about the law. I know I don't expect anybody to kiss my rear if I'm offended by something. I don't think anyone should have to do that. Imus being fired wasn't a free speech issue, it was a money issue. Sponsors were pulling out from his show. If not, he may well have been back after the two week suspension. The government (federal, state, local) didn't censor him. Free speech doesn't mean that one's speech can't have repercussions, especially something said by a public figure. Alan -- --- Posted by alanh77[at]comcast.net using MR/2 ICE Newsreader #564 Proudly using eComstation 1.21 (OEM OS/2) BBS - The Nerve Center Telnet FidoNet 261/1000 tncbbs.no-ip.com --- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
I don't know why God lets children die. Why do we let children die? We will
kill hundreds of thousands for oil. Is it because so many are the wrong color?
I don't think a sermon on Christianity is going to help a child in end-stage
cancer. The drug companies spent 22 billion to RD viagra, and women want fake
boobs so badly that it is a 10+ billion dollar industry. Where do we get off
giving God a hard time? We have children dieing here in America yet we use our
money to buy books oprah tells us made her fat life better. If we spent the
money we spend on weapons to feed children, we wouldn't have starving children.
john
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Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
I totally agree Dan,
That’s what I have a problem with, if we are his children how can he stand by
and watch his small kids starve to death or die by aids at 2-3 years old and a
lot of people will never even hear the word Jesus or God but they go to hell
because of geography?
I don’t buy it, if my father was to sit by and watch me suffer and did nothing
and at the same time preached to me about love thy fellow man and treat people
like you would like to be treated. How can I have more compassion than God if
he is the great one?
Just my opinion,
Mark Jackson
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From: Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
If one believes in the goodness of God, then I don't see how they can believe
in Hell. I think I'm a relatively good person and having said that, I could
never send anyone to Hell where they would endure everlasting torture. Where is
the goodness in that? Are we not taught that God is all knowing and all loving
and forgives us of our sins? As Jesus said as he was dying on the cross
Forgive them Father for they do not know what they do. He didn't say Hey
Dad, send these bastards to Hell.
We are like children to God. Imagine that you are the parents of twin 4 year
old boys. They are playing at the top of a flight of stairs. One of them gets
angry with the other and pushes him down the flight of stairs knowing well that
the child will get hurt and the child dies. The surviving twin shows no remorse
since most 4 year olds haven't yet developed that capacity. Would you as their
parent/God send this child to Hell?
Dan V
At 03:18 PM 4/15/2007 -0400, Steve Oldaker said something that elicited my
response:
Dan...
What if you live a truly good life and do not deny the existence of God, Heaven
and Hell, but do not have a core belief that they do in fact exist? Would it
not be hypocritical to state that you do believe in their existence just in
case?
The big problem I have with many organized religions is you either accept and
believe, or you are doomed, regardless of how well you have lived your life and
the goodness in your heart and deeds. This is particularly true with Christian
religions.
FWIW, I do believe in a supreme being (a.k.a. God), hope there is a Heaven, and
hope there is not a Hell. Pretty sure about the first one, not sure about the
last two.
Steve
From: Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:29 PM
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
If you live a good life as IF there really IS a God and Heaven or Hell
and die to find out it was not true--YOU LOST NOTHING.BUT IF you live and
deny God and Heaven Or Hell and DIE to find out THERE IS a GOD and it's All
TRUE---{{YOU LOST EVERYTHING.}} But God wants no robots, that's why he
gave Mankind free will and choices. As a matter of fact he even granted his
Angels free willWhen Lucifer Tried to overthrow God, He took 1/3 of God's
angels with him by decieving them to follow him.
Dan H.
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Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in?????
I watched Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robinson after 9/11 say that god told them it was because America tolerates homosexuals. I prayed and talked to God for a long time and he said that he hated Jerry and Pat and not because they are homosexuals, but because they love money and do nothing to help his children. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Religion and keeping people in line-- what country are you living in? I'm not sure which post you are replying to, but I beg to differ. lots of people use religion to keep others in line for one reason or another. Sometimes it's tradition and/or money. and so far, there are two people here who belief may have evidence of that in their lives (I am including myself here). granted, it is people who try to keep other people in line. But you are certainly right -- no one is using anything to keep me in line because that will never happen. ever hear of the Church of the flying spaghetti monster? LOL: http://www.venganza.org/ On 4/15/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one is using religion to keep you in line..In America you are free to believe as you desire.. there is even a Satanic church and dozens of other weird cults . You do as you please and no one forces you here in America. Besides If religion keeps people So IN LINE why is everything such a mess financially and Moraly. The largest population on Earth.CHINA hates freedom of religions, because they like strict control over their people -- media and even how they think., same in places like North Korea. Dan H. -- Life is 440 horsepower in a 2-cylinder engine. -Henry Miller AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
Your problem is obvious. You don't hate the right people. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death Angie, What about those of us who weren't in an accident, but because of an unforeseen or unpreventable illness, became paralyzed in a matter of minutes?? I know I had anything to do with it, this is not be what I would've chosen. Naomi C-4 quad since July 2, 2005 Transverse Myelitis See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
Din't we go over this? Churches never make mistakes and can not be wrong. Only
we are wrong whenever we say they might be wrong. Churches have worked miracles
at keeping the poor from eating the rich. We have a Pope that was a nazi but,
s. The televangalists are all homophobic so they can cut on catholic
priests, but you shouldn't say that either. We live in a world where the
difference between right and wrong is dependant on how much money you have.
Can I buy an indulgence for that paragraph?
john
p.s. Can you be offended buy what I say without being bothered by the truth?
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To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
Angie, what church are you talking about? sorry to hear about your bad
experience with church. Churches and their members are human and there are
good and bad just like every part of life.
Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After my injury, our church kicked us out. They sent a letter in the mail
saying we were no longer parishioners. Guess they missed our weekly donation.
-Angie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a few questions, how did you hear about the thing with Lucifer? And are
you saying faith is just covering all the bases? Have you noticed not many
churches want cripples that don't seem to get any better. I have gone to
several churches where the pastor has looked directly at me and said god
answers the prayers of all true believers. If I don't have a church to go to on
Sundays then where will I get my weekly dosage of guilt?
I must be a true believer or I wouldn't feel guilty about this e mail.
john
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
If you live a good life as IF there really IS a God and Heaven or Hell
and die to find out it was not true--YOU LOST NOTHING.BUT IF you live and
deny God and Heaven Or Hell and DIE to find out THERE IS a GOD and it's All
TRUE---{{YOU LOST EVERYTHING.}} But God wants no robots, that's why he
gave Mankind free will and choices. As a matter of fact he even granted his
Angels free willWhen Lucifer Tried to overthrow God, He took 1/3 of God's
angels with him by decieving them to follow him.
Dan H.
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Re: [QUAD-L] after death
You might want to remember that if most of that list ever said they didn't believe they would have been tortured and burned at the stake. Einstien said that where he grew up it was important not to offend people so he often tempered his public statements for fear of controversy. Isaac Newton was so afraid of public arguements that when critisized he often wouldn't attend public functions for years. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [QUAD-L] after death Mike, very interesting post... good work Mike Murach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO… Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 2. Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627) Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity. (Of Atheism) 3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! 4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one proof based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the trial and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous I think therefore I am. Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching.
Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech
I wrote that. I appologize if it offended anyone. I'm on drug therapy and alone a lot. i'm sure I had a point or something that went with it, but my appology stands. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, except maybe a few religous hypocrits that aren't on the list. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech At 07:20 PM 4/15/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response: I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary false and malicious statement or report about someone Well as Catholics we are suppose to believe that the Host IS the BODY and BLOOD of Christ - kind of gruesome when you think about it. So doesn't it follow that this would be an appropriate use of these soon to be trashed cells? Anyway, the correct definition of Libel is: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. Or: a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person. You left out the last clause. In any event, it doesn't damage anyones reputation. What about hate talk? It certainly isn't that. The following are a few examples of hate talk: 'We ought to send those niggers back to Africa where they came from'. 'All cripples should be shot as all they do is leech off the system.' 'Those God damn Jews killed Jesus and I say they should pay for it'. See the difference? You may not like what was posted to this list and that is your prerogative so just delete it. And toughen up your skin a little - it's a rough world out there ;) Dan V Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan T, If you can find them, where are they? Are they really Hate talk? Are they really slander (actually the correct word is libel)? If so, please give me the legal definition of the two (you can use a free on-line dictionary) and how they relate. I am also a Catholic but I was not offended by anything I read on this topic. Dan V At 08:34 PM 4/13/2007 -0700, Dan T said something that elicited my response: Dan, I can find those items you questioned below and they are particularly offensive to me as a Catholic. Dan T. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What in the Hell are you people talking about! Hate talk? By who? Slander? By who? Remember boys and girls just because someone doesn't agree with you, you can't start calling them names. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. In other words, grow up. Dan V Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't use freedom of speech to justify hate speech. It was completely uncalled for, as were most of his other rants. Angie, I think you were the one that brought up the freedom of speech issue but with that freedom comes responsibility. No one has the right to slander others or their beliefs. A point or opinion can be expressed civilly. Dan T. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??
But remember, George Washington did not believe in organized religion and stated on several occasions that he only went to churches for baptisms and weddings. He called established Christian religions,European perversions. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 2:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ?? LAUS DEO One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building of greater height than the Washington Monument. With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a moment or two of your time. I was not aware of this historical information. On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are displayed two words: Laus Deo. No one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that matter, probably couldn't care less. Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you know. But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 inches high, perched on top of the monument, facing skyward to the Father of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of America. Laus Deo! Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world. So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly mean? Very simply, they say Praise be to God! Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God! From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape, with the White House to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is to the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and state was not, is not, in the Constitution. So, read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry a profound meaning for those who bother to notice. Praise be to God! Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs the steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6.Praise be to God! When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be to God! Such was the discipline, the moral direction, and the spiritual mood given by the founder and first President of our unique democracy .One Nation, Under God. I am awed by Washington's prayer for America. Have you never read it? Well, now is your unique opportunity, so read on! Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. Laus Deo! When one stops to observe the inscriptions found in public places all over our nation's capitol, he or she will easily find the signature of God, as it is unmistakably inscribed everywhere you look. You may forget the width and height of Laus Deo, its location, or the architects but no one who reads this will be able to forget its meaning, or these words:Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city,
Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??
I've never seen a city where you can't find a cross whether it be of buildings or streets. Washington DC is also laid out in a circle. Is that symbolic? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ?? Dave, Unfortunately the biggest flaw I see with this particular, well-written entry is that, in my opinion, there is no way that Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant could have envisioned a cross being formed by the White House, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial and Lincoln Memorial, considering the latter two were built long after his original plan of 1791. In case you're wondering, the Jefferson Memorial cornerstone was laid in 1939 and the Lincoln Memorial was first proposed in 1867, long after L'Enfant's death. For confirmation just visit the following sites. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc71.htm http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc73.htm http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/lenfant.htm Quadius On 4/16/07, Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty awsome. Thanks Dave! Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LAUS DEO One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building of greater height than the Washington Monument. With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a moment or two of your time. I was not aware of this historical information. On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are displayed two words: Laus Deo. No one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that matter, probably couldn't care less. Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you know. But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 inches high, perched on top of the monument, facing skyward to the Father of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of America. Laus Deo! Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world. So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly mean? Very simply, they say Praise be to God! Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God! From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape, with the White House to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is to the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and state was not, is not, in the Constitution. So, read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry a profound meaning for those who bother to notice. Praise be to God! Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs the steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22: 6.Praise be to God! When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be to God! Such was the discipline, the moral direction, and the spiritual mood given by the founder and first President of our unique democracy .One Nation, Under God. I am awed by Washington's prayer for America. Have you never read it? Well, now is your unique opportunity, so read on! Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean
Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??
The separation of Church and State came from a letter between Jefferson and supreme court of one of the states. It is not a law and the supreme court has never treated it as a law untill 1960. I'm guessing it had to do with Kennedy being Roman Catholic. i always thought it was a misunderstood part of the constitution. No law respecting, doesn't that mean they shall not make judgements, pro or con, respecting religion in America. It is always interpreted as the government will always be antireligion. People say the courts are walking a fine line. To my understanding, the courts are dancing all over and with the important problems we have, who cares where someone puts the 10 commandments. Obviously, nobody reads them. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ?? You're right Quadius. But Dave was right about one very important thing: there is no ammendment guaranteeing the separation of church and state. The first ammendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The only guarantee is that Congress (a body of legislators) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... Only the Supreme Court has defined this ammendment so narrowly that it has lost the meaning given it by the founding fathers. Bill age 56 C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Leesburg, FL Try something different: put a live chicken in your underwear. - Original Message - From: Quadius To: Tim Syfert Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ?? Dave, Unfortunately the biggest flaw I see with this particular, well-written entry is that, in my opinion, there is no way that Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant could have envisioned a cross being formed by the White House, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial and Lincoln Memorial, considering the latter two were built long after his original plan of 1791. In case you're wondering, the Jefferson Memorial cornerstone was laid in 1939 and the Lincoln Memorial was first proposed in 1867, long after L'Enfant's death. For confirmation just visit the following sites. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc71.htm http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/dc73.htm http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/Wash/lenfant.htm Quadius On 4/16/07, Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty awsome. Thanks Dave! Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LAUS DEO One detail that is not mentioned, in DC, is that there can never be a building of greater height than the Washington Monument. With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc... This is worth a moment or two of your time. I was not aware of this historical information. On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are displayed two words: Laus Deo. No one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that matter, probably couldn't care less. Once you know Laus Deo's history, you will want to share this with everyone you know. But these words have been there for many years; they are 555feet, 5.125 inches high, perched on top of the monument, facing skyward to the Father of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of America. Laus Deo! Two seemingly insignificant, un-noticed words. Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world. So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly mean? Very simply, they say Praise be to God! Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the Father of our nation, Laus Deo ...Praise be to God! From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape, with the White House to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is to the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of church and state? Yes, a cross;
Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ??
The folks that came to Jamestown wanted to get rich. The so called pilgrims had made themselves entirely unwanted anywhere in europe and they wanted religious control, not freedom. Our forefathers were far more interested in money than religion. Thankfully, they made the thingamabob they wrote so it could be changed. They owned slaves for cryin out loud. They knew it was wrong. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wow, Whoda Guessed This ?? In a message dated 4/16/2007 7:37:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This wasn't my composition, I merely passed it along as it came to me. I just found it Interesting and didn't validity check it at all. Dave Is it so strange that our forefathers came to this country for religious freedom. Consider that when writing the constitution the writers knew that their words would be contested in decades to come. I think they did their jobs pretty well considering what they were up against W See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
Just a few questions, how did you hear about the thing with Lucifer? And are
you saying faith is just covering all the bases? Have you noticed not many
churches want cripples that don't seem to get any better. I have gone to
several churches where the pastor has looked directly at me and said god
answers the prayers of all true believers. If I don't have a church to go to on
Sundays then where will I get my weekly dosage of guilt?
I must be a true believer or I wouldn't feel guilty about this e mail.
john
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Subject: [QUAD-L] God, and Heaven-Hell
If you live a good life as IF there really IS a God and Heaven or Hell
and die to find out it was not true--YOU LOST NOTHING.BUT IF you live and
deny God and Heaven Or Hell and DIE to find out THERE IS a GOD and it's All
TRUE---{{YOU LOST EVERYTHING.}} But God wants no robots, that's why he
gave Mankind free will and choices. As a matter of fact he even granted his
Angels free willWhen Lucifer Tried to overthrow God, He took 1/3 of God's
angels with him by decieving them to follow him.
Dan H.
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Re: [QUAD-L] after death
I will probably offend someone else as I seem to do quite often but If you need proof then you have no faith. You can't sit and question a faith. The big differences come in what you have faith in. The questions aren't simple, like,will your faith tolerate embryonic stem cell research? They are complex like, will your faith allow you to tolerate the existance of someone who studies embryonic stem cells? Does your faith really respect the rights of people who have a different faith? A lot of us know that Christian history doesn't have much tolerance for other Christians, let alone people that worship non-Christian faiths. For alomost a century we have allowed our leaders to discuss how tolerant we are. I don't think we are tolerant. Maybe we are but I don't see it. We preach tolerance. We seem to want to be tolerant. Most of us (able-bodied and handicapped) hate large groups of people for all sorts of reasons. My grandfather use to say the second amendment made people tolerant. Not enough of us are armed? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] after death I really don't know about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back. Here is my story. Wheelchair Warrior My Near Death Experience One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said:” Mom I’m dying.” All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and places it again my chest. The other doctor said: “clear” and my body jump up from the bed. They were using the electricity paddle over and over, but the doctors couldn’t get my heart started. Each time they used the paddles my body arch up and full to the bed, but I wanted to go with the Angels. All at once I was by a river. It was beautiful on the other side it was like looking into the Garden of Eden. I saw a man surrounded by a golden light. He held out his arms and said:” If it is to pain full come across.” It was JUSES! Oh how I wanted to go to him. I turn my head, and saw the doctors still working to save my life. I looked at Jesus he told me that he had so much more for me to do on earth. I was asked if you can not take the pain just cross the river! I said:” Yes I could take the pain.” All at once I want back into my body and was in a coma. Later I found out I was dead for five minutes. The doctor told my family that I was in Gods hands. The only thing to do was to pray. After three weeks I woke up from the coma. A nurse was standing beside me. I ask her is it time to wake up. She jumped back like she heard the voice of God. That is when she ran to get the doctor, I was upset because I wanted to go back to see Jesus! When the doctor came in he to was surprised to see me awake. He told me I was in a coma for three weeks and he didn’t know if I would have came out of it. There was a lot of people praying for you young lady. Doctor David Smith only had one arm. He knows what he was doing. God Bless Him. I wanted to add to this story that I know God has used me in so many ways. I know that the Lord is with me everyday of my life. Even though sometimes I just want to be in that heavenly place, and feel that inner peace. I know that it is not my decision to make, it is the Lords Note: forwarded message attached. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Re: [QUAD-L] Quad Darryl Stingley Dies at 55
Can the coronor be certain he didn't die from a restricted spinal function? Does the Coronor know what quadriplegia is? The coronor sounds like the woman that made jerry seinfelds auto reservations. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Quad Darryl Stingley Dies at 55 An autopsy revealed bronchial pneumonia, quadriplegia, spinal-cord injury and coronary atherosclerosis as contributing factors, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/6/2007 9:40:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I read the report, I was a little shocked to read that one of the contributing causes to his death was quadriplegia. I probably shouldn't have been, but for some reason I don't see myself is suffering from a quadriplegia. I probably view myself as a well functioning quadriplegic. At least I think so. Quadius I haven't seen the cause, but I knew he had a cold or the flu. W See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Do you realize if we study embryonic stem cells people are going to get morally confused. Moral confusion leads to abortions. Abortions lead to teen sex. Teen sex leads to embryonic stem cell research! How can you ignore these facts? Masturbation is behind all this. If we had stopped doctors from grave robbing we wouldn't have these problems. Then doctors invented homogenation and pastuerazation. Then penacillin and the worlds evils are being whittled away. Its just wrong! We are in wheelchairs to punish our souls?! john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 9:15 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts SIX STEM CELL FACTS The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester Institute for Ethics and the Human Person. Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example: There is no ban on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130 million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the international leader in the field. We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells; many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no breakthrough any time soon. Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo) stage forward there exists a new living member of the species homo sapiens that has the active potential to develop by an internally directed process towards maturity. Also: There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Your wrong about organ donors always being dead. Often, organ donors are kept on life support until their organs can be harvested in a timely fashion so that the most people will benefit. I could believe that all life is a miracle, but after meeting quite a few lawyers, politicians and religious leaders, I'm quite certain that life is not miraculous and very probably a mistake. Most children and mothers survive birth because now we believe in germs. Did god make germs? Do religions believe in germs? Should a doctor be allowed to study a human body while in med school. Ok. Not your doctor. If penicillin (which was denounced by many religions) be with held from people in those religions? It cures syphilis and we all know that syphilis was a curse from god on people that don't have sex the way god wants them, too. I do believe Jerry Falwell shouldn't have sex and just going by his proportions, I don't think he could have normal sex. I think he is a masturbator and should be stoned until he finds a new drug. Just like muslim terrorists are all gay. Only a gay guy would want to spend eternity listening to 72 virgins babble incesantly. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments. Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills the embryo. I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/ watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489hl=en he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment. Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a pregnancy. I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent stem cell lines At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
If human life is so sacred then why does the gov't spend trillions of dollars making sure we can destroy more humans than any other country on earth. Why do so many Americans want the death penalty? Don't they know human life is sacred? Is oral sex half cannabalism?If it is ok to kill people that kill to stop the killing of others, why haven't we killed G. W. Bush? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initial stage of life. I would like to be up and around and Independent but not at the sacrifice of another human life. Dan T. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester Institute for Ethics and the Human Person. Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example: There is no ban on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130 million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the international leader in the field. We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells; many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no breakthrough any time soon. Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo) stage forward there exists a new living member of the species homo sapiens that has the active potential to develop by an internally directed process towards maturity. Also: There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Sex and Quad
I thout i had to wait 45 minutes because of my hand. Never tried viagra...a partner sounds kinda kinky too. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Sex and Quad Wait..wait...waitRon...you need a partner?? Well that answers a lot of questions I've been having. Paul Confused in California - Original Message - From: RONALD L PRACHT To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Sex and Quad Hey peeps, I have been using viagra with decent success. You need to take it like 45 minutes b4 the sexual encounter. Dont eat a big meal or drink 6 beers b4 hand , it wont allow the drug to work very well. I take the 50 mg version, but you can go up to as much as 100mg. I straight cathe and I always cathe b4 and after the encounter. I get a decent hard on with viagra, but its not like the old days. I might need to try the 100mg. I wonder about cialis?? They say with that you can choose when to have the encounter within a 24 hour period. If you have an understanding partner it will help everything go smoothly without worry and anxiety. I tried bringing a girl back home that had no clue about spinal injury. I pulled it off but was a lil nervous I wouldnt perform to her satisfaction. But I guess who cares as long as you try. ron c7 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Sex and Quad
I'm not offended..but I'm not paul either. I'm lousey at sex but I have a creative mind. I find most women are attracted to me by money. Sometimes it is strange, but so is sex with a guy that can't move. john ps, enjoy it before they bust you for mining stem cells -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:36 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Sex and Quad Paul, I didnt mean to offend you. I have had understanding women, and women that are from the bar. Being paralyzed makes sex a lil more complicated. It helps if you know your partner well and understands whats involved. ronc7.in the stl AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining. So what's your answer. Dan At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments. Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills the embryo. I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/ watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489hl=en he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment. Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a pregnancy. I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent stem cell lines At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Kidding?? We don't need to kid. I have neighbors that can't pay bills but go to every execution to protest against the people that think the death penalty is wrong. They protest abortions but not at the IVF clinic. They think life is a miracle because they don't have children. (I'm not telling them babies are a result of sex) That stuff is dirty and after meeting them, I believe them having sex would be WRONG on levels of hell nobody ever dreamed of. They own guns incase they need to send someone to hell or meet a commie. nuff said.. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts I hope you're kidding. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester Institute for Ethics and the Human Person. Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example: There is no ban on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130 million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the international leader in the field. We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells; many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no breakthrough any time soon. Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo) stage forward there exists a new living member of the species homo sapiens that has the active potential to develop by an internally directed process towards maturity. Also: There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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I use to have an indwelling and it was ok as long as she didn't like..sit n spin. It gets all tangled and messy and, you might wanna use a condom, bring some other toys? Condoms are hard to keep on if she uses the love oil first, so, just have fun!If shes willin to get in bed with you, stop worrying! Get your rubber ducky and have a good time. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sex On Apr 8, 2007, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many have sex w/ a foley i can see how many women might but it seems completely different for a guy... = AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Trust me jim, they took thousands of eggs and fertilized a hundred at least. The ones they show on tv are always so perfect. Most times the egg gets messed up and is useless. Each time she tried, I guarentee they injected between 6 and 20 they thought had a good chance. If they only had to prep one egg the price would drop a lot. If they aren't paying for storage then the other embryos are probably in a local sewer. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with. The frozen embryos can continued to be stored indefinitely. What's wrong with that? Are you concerned about the energy being used to keep them frozen? The embryos that are unfrozen eventually die a natural death, just as every other living thing, then cremated. That is quite different then killing it by removing stem cells to use in someone else. Even organ donors are declared dead by some standards before there organs are removed. # S.5—Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007 doesn't even do that; it just states that the embryos were in excess of the clinical need of the individuals seeking such treatment. and would never be implanted in a woman. I want my spinal cord repaired so I can breathe without a ventilator and possibly move independently, but I don't want it so badly that I will end another human life just for the possible improve my own life. I don't understand how those wanting to use stem cells from embryos can't comprehend that. An embryo is a human life, and put into the right environment, will continue to develop and grow. I'm not so self centered that improving my life should come at the cost of another life. There are other sources of pluripotent stem cells, sources such as umbilical chords and amniotic fluid. There is also somatic cell nuclear transfer (therapeutic cloning) which I don't have a problem with. On a side note, my cousin just gave birth to a son last week. He was the result of IVF from her egg and her husband's sperm. They had 8 viable embryos. The first 7 she did not carry full term. I'm happy for them that the last one she was able to carry to term and mom and son are doing fine. Jim At 08:04 AM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote: So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining. So what's your answer. Dan At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments. Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills the embryo. I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/ watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489hl=en he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment. Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a pregnancy. I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent stem cell lines At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text:
Re: [QUAD-L] life begins
I believe life begins the moment you can sight it in a 4 power rifle scope. How can you tell a sperm and an egg joined? Why are men who father children called dads by lawyers? Why are women that give birth called mom's by lawyers? Are babies that develope from IVF damned by god? Why do people have to interpret the bible after it has been rewritten in english? Was it done wrong? Does god hate people in wheelchairs? Does god hate gays? If God hates rich people then why do Americans keep electing them. I think everyone just picks the part of religion they like and ignores the rest. If god even gave mankind a second thought he wouldn't have allowed nuclear bombs to work. The real problem with stem cell research is if it is allowed then any woman that wants IVF will get it paid for by the gov't. pretty soon men are not needed. Most men are bad fathers and woman can do any thing men can when it comes to work. A 13yld boy with a cup could provide enough sperm for the next 20 years. Stem cell research is the next step toward a society that doesn't need men! Lets face it guys, I'm a quad and women say I'm more fun than most guys. We are being phased out. Its all a big plot by rosie odonnell so oprah can run the world. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts Angie, I do respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. You at least state that you define a life as having a consciousness. I am not aware if an 8 month old fetus has a consciousness or not but I would consider that stage of development a life. That is why I define a human life from the point of conception, joining of a egg and sperm. You wonder why you shouldn't have the option to use embryos for research just because you don't consider it a life? You don't see a problem with the premise of your question? You don't consider it a life so why should anyone prevent you from taking it to better your life. At 11:07 AM 4/8/2007, Angie Novak wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. But look at some of the people around, can we really say that all human life is precious? I can't. There are just some people living their lives out there walking around and breathing that don't deserve to be. However, these are people, not just 50-150 cells that don't have a consciousness, what I consider life. And these 50-150 cells are just going to be destroyed anyway. Why not let them serve a purpose. Shouldn't those of us who want a cure to be found, including using embryonic stem cell research, be able to have that option? If you don't want to be treated, potentially cured and able-bodied again someday from what this research finds, just don't accept that treatment. Stay trapped in your body if you'd like. But don't take that chance for living again, really living, away from those of us who want a shot at it. I would gladly donate my eggs to be fertilized via in vitro, solely for the purpose of being used for embryonic stem cell research. CURE not care- Angie Novak Dan T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initial stage of life. I would like to be up and around and Independent but not at the sacrifice of another human life. Dan T. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester Institute for Ethics and the Human Person. Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example: There is no ban on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130 million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the international leader in the field. We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells; many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no breakthrough any time soon. Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo) stage forward there exists a new living
Re: [QUAD-L] sins...pfffffffft
If you ever play russian roulette, risking a life and taking a chance is exactly the same thing as willfully terminating a life. You can't equate IVF with shooting craps. Everyone wants their sin to be a little sin. I've heard of folks that destroyed hundreds of embryos trying. They don't want to adopt now that everyone can find birth parents, (thank you phill donahue, oprah and sally jesse for making american kids unadoptable)nobody wants to do anything about the millions of kids in south and central America. Nobody wants to be bothered with kids that aren't theirs. We are all part of an unforgivable sin that has nothing to do with unborn children. People spend millions on IVF while millions of children die of neglect all over the world. People are starving on our border and we are afraid they might get in. We just built 4 stealth bombers for 100 billion dollars. We have spent a trillion dollars in Iraq killing people and we pretend we are worried that using an embryo for! its cells is a sin. Compared to what we allow to happen in this world, its just a teensy weensy lil sin. If your not giving every spare cent to poor children in America, then your moral sins are too great to even give stem cells a second thought. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts At 05:50 PM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote: At 05:29 PM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: Risking a life and taking a chance is not the same as willfully terminating a life. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Human life must be sacred, look how much we spend to destroy it! john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts If human life is not sacred then what the heck is? If a human acts as a derelict, this does not make his humanness unsacred. His life is sacred his behavior is another story and a civil society respects his humanness by not executing him and removes him from society. Dan T. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angie, I do respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. You at least state that you define a life as having a consciousness. I am not aware if an 8 month old fetus has a consciousness or not but I would consider that stage of development a life. That is why I define a human life from the point of conception, joining of a egg and sperm. You wonder why you shouldn't have the option to use embryos for research just because you don't consider it a life? You don't see a problem with the premise of your question? You don't consider it a life so why should anyone prevent you from taking it to better your life. At 11:07 AM 4/8/2007, Angie Novak wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. But look at some of the people around, can we really say that all human life is precious? I can't. There are just some people living their lives out there walking around and breathing that don't deserve to be. However, these are people, not just 50-150 cells that don't have a consciousness, what I consider life. And these 50-150 cells are just going to be destroyed anyway. Why not let them serve a purpose. Shouldn't those of us who want a cure to be found, including using embryonic stem cell research, be able to have that option? If you don't want to be treated, potentially cured and able-bodied again someday from what this research finds, just don't accept that treatment. Stay trapped in your body if you'd like. But don't take that chance for living again, really living, away from those of us who want a shot at it. I would gladly donate my eggs to be fertilized via in vitro, solely for the purpose of being used for embryonic stem cell research. CURE not care- Angie Novak Dan T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initial stage of life. I would like to be up and around and Independent but not at the sacrifice of another human life. Dan T. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester Institute for Ethics and the Human Person. Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example: There is no ban on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130 million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the international leader in the field. We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells; many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no breakthrough any time soon. Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo) stage forward there exists a new living member of the species homo sapiens that has the active potential to develop by an internally directed process towards maturity. Also: There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, Six Stem Cell Facts, Wall Street Journal, March 14,
Re: [QUAD-L] wc tires
If you aren't having any luck with DMEs and doctors writing perscriptions and you can afford to go outside the system, any electrician can combine your plug fasteners with a new 24 volt charger and set you up. I wouldn't be surprized if radio shack has everything you need. good luck, john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] wc tires My battery charger quit working and I was down to about 3 bars and they wanted me to have my aid come get a nether charger that when we got it home, it was the wrong model. My brother saved today and he was able to come out and somehow get the connector to work but it seems to smell a little bit after the discharge so I have not charged for two days as the bars did not go down. I don't know what I do if he would not have come because my back up wheelchair will not work, because my aid did not charge regularly and the batteries are now dead, which my brother just bought last year at $188. I wrote my wheelchair company several times and calls them but just got voicemail. She would not even tell me how long it's going to take to get the batteries and if she had received by doctor order. She e-mailed me to not write her or call the voicemail anymore. I could not believe that. If my brother would not have been able to get the connector to work, I'm not sure what I would be! doing.and I'm not sure what he did. I would be sitting in a wheelchair without any power. The Permobil is almost impossible to push. I wonder if they are all that way. I don't like to be in my back up wheelchair, because it causes pressure on my rear as it only reclines and slides you down each time you recline.. I had to stay in bed a week after the last time I tear was repaired when it took three weeks to get the part because of the pressure although it was not open. We are told that we are responsible for our own arrangements if our wheelchairs are not working. No one will cover repairs to keep a backup functioning.. The company I deal with is Apria. It seems like they have only one person to repair anything and getting parts is so slow. They claim they are looking for someone, they probably don't want to pay anyone and make us wait. It seems really unfair. We don't have a lot of companies to choose from like able-bodied persons do with cars. Does anyone else have this problem, when their wheelchair is down. It seems like things will get worse with the new policy of waiting till the wheelchair repair costs are as much as a new chair. We will be having repairs all the time and not at once, so we cannot get a new chair for a long time. The repair people told me that it doesn't matter whether you have insurance or Medicare that the insurance pretty much follows the same rules as Medicare . What does anybody know about that or is it make a difference on what kind of insurance you have I wish it was that easy and I hope that its still that easy. DMEs are hiding behind their counters everytime someone rolls in. Many are requiring their customers to pay up front and then receive a rebate when CMS agrees to pay and finally DOES pay. Often, payments are slow due to code errors and refiling of the paperwork. And more denials. General policies have gone out the window with across the board approval. Most don't realize how bad it can be until they need a new chair or have to have their chairs repaired. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/5/2007 4:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the dealer who carries your type of chair. Usually you can get a prescription that says wheelchair repairs and have all wheels and batteries replaced once/year. Bill age 56 C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Leesburg, FL See what's free at AOL.com. See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] GREAT danes
If your chair has gel cell batteries you won't be going for 14 mile rides between charges. If you have U-1 batteries you are essentially driving a barbi car. I'm guessing the guys talking about such long rideas are useing maintenance free large batteries with over 100 amp hours. Check the amp hours on your batteries. If they are 70 or 80, you might go 4 or 5 miles tops. some chairs will take the coiled glass mat bateries by optima. These can deliver incredible range. Remember to charge them properly. good luck john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] GREAT danes Mine goes from fully charged to 2nd yellow light in 8 blocks. Every time I complain to service guy he just says it is because I have a recline on my chair. Went all of 8 blocks yesterday. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] film required
Yup, pretty sick stuff. I don't mind them doing it to themselves but I resent them wanting benefits that we have had to fight for. When they are done mutilating themselves, they should be promptly put into an institution for the insane. The can spend entire days learning to dress and undress but they should be seen for what they are, insane, not handicapped. If they want a wheelchair they can have a kitchjen chair with castors. Same thing my great uncle used after returning from ww1. When they get infections they should have to wait for the slow sluggish labs that many of us have. And when they get angry they should be locked in closets. and please do not give these mental defectives a parking permit. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 3:38 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] film required OK, now for something completely revolting. If you belong to Netflix, check out a film called Whole. It is a documentary about disabled wannabes. Everyone on this list would compromise his soul (well, almost) for a healthy body, and these people long to join our ranks. It leaves me speechless. Check it out. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] nightmare's from meds
I would never know if I overdosed. How bad do you have to be by the time they know you're delusional? Some of my best friends are delusions! Just think how many people would be great people if their delusions weren't crushed by reality. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] nightmare's from meds Hi Bobbie, I found this info on Gabapentin. Gabapentin is used to help control some types of seizures in the treatment of epilepsy. This medicine cannot cure epilepsy and will only work to control seizures for as long as you continue to take it. This medicine is also used to manage a condition called postherpetic neuralgia (pain after “shingles”). Symptoms of overdose Diarrhea Double vision Drowsiness Sluggishness Slurred speech Some side effects may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them: More common Blurred or double vision Cold or flu-like symptoms Delusions http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR600709 I hope this helps. Stay strong. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 30 Years Post Texas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people, I started taking gabenpentin (sp) for nerve pain. It works great, all 1,200mg per day of it, but I get some wild crazy dreams and nightmare's. This morning I woke believing I had leach's all over my body. Anybody else take this drug and get theses dreams? I'm also wondering what long term effects are from this drug if anybody knows? OH, and since there has been a recent increases in my dosage, I've been so inpatient and biting everybody's head off too. Bobbie See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] To John--About sediment and sludge in urine.
Yes definitely get a urinalasys and the entire lab job. UA and CS. Anytime your urine is dark, smells bad, or leaves build up in the line, its almost always your urinay tract. You should have a lab where you could drop off a sample. Ask your Dr. about a permanent order cause he will get the results anyway. I'm a proponent of having a couple of different anti biotics on hand. I keep cipro and bactrim DS. Even though I use an external cath, I'm still very likely to develope a wild infection fast. A supra pubic is wide open to infections. You can even learn to take a peek at your own urine if you can afford the microscope. talk about drifting!(its the drugs, I swear!) Yes get your urine tested asap. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:15 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] To John--About sediment and sludge in urine. Hey John.I just wanted to ask you a question. A while back I think you said that most the sediment and sludge type stuff released in our urine is ( Calcium and or White Blood cells ) Well my question is thisAt the end of January I had a large Bladder Stone removed, Every since then I have had never ending sediment or sludge come thru my cath tubeI suspect an infection but a supra pubic wearer always has some bacteria. Do you think after 2 months I should get urine checked ? I'm wondering If a person might be losing to much white blood cells or body calcium? Thanks, To John or anyone wishing to post on this issue. Dan H. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Disability Documentaries
It's hard to do without the cast of monty python popping in my mind. Maybe a comedy would get peoples attention. Lord knows nobody listens when your serious. Start off with a date and show a handicapped person hidden away, archaic wheelchair, sleeping on staw. More modern date, backroom of log cabin, alone in dark. later date say, post ww2, backroom of a 40's style home, radio on, purple heart. (showing how little life has changed for handicapped and posing the question, should society use us as a resource or just lock us away. Flash up FDR and steven Hawking, pope john paul II had parkinson's. JFK had addison's. Now you might want to remix that idea into something. sorry, I'm taking a new anti biotic. Honest. I'm not this stupid... john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:33 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Disability Documentaries Hey All It's been about a year or so since my last post. Since then I've started going to college--majoring in psychology. What I plan to do is get my Master's in Occupational Therapy. I started a Student Organization along with my fellow college crips. We're called the SWAA--Students With Alternative Abilities. Our main purpose is to increase accessibility on campus. Another thing we want to do is start creating awareness about disabilities. We want to show informative documentaries about disabilities. SCI, Polio, MS, etc. Does anyone have any documentary recommendations? Luke c-5/6 incomplete AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Donate Chairs
I had a friend that passed after getting a nice chair a few years back and I was given the trust to get rid of his belongings. Ater talking to several local charities I got his stuff to people that needed it. Priests and ministers don't mind writing fair reciepts. I hate to see awesome chairs go to folks that use the motors for a science project they don't finish. Check and see if some illegal could use it to take trash out at the center for independant living. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:44 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Donate Chairs I have 2 chairs I’m trying to donate, but not having much luck. Anyone in the AZ area who can use them… Free 1. Invacare Arrow, about 10 years old, tilt/recline, power legrest, needs batteries and air in tires. 2. Permobil Chairman, about 6/7 years old, tilt/recline, power legrest, seat elevator, needs batteries and has a crack in the frame. My chair shop would not weld for liability issues, but Permobil says they have a fix. First I was trying for a Tax right off. But to get a high value now (something like over $500) your supposed to get a letter from the place on their letterhead, plus an expert to give a value to them. I could not find any place close that wanted them. Only 1 place, but it was for-profit place. I just know I had to pay lots of money to get my chairs fixed over the years (20% co pays). Someone must want them for parts at least. Let me know soon, or they go to the for-profit shop… Greg, Chandler, AZ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] nightmare's from meds
I have to take morphine to get that effect. Ohyeah. I do take morphine. Its where the term morphine dreams comes from, but many drugs seem to get the effect. I'd try to enjoy it. You can't buy that kind of entertainment. The panic seems to maker it easier to remember. You can tell your doctor but remember, most nmights you only snore. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] nightmare's from meds Not from that med, but Ditropan (sp?) gave me very bad dreams. Like panic dreams… Greg Hi people, I started taking gabenpentin (sp) for nerve pain. It works great, all 1,200mg per day of it, but I get some wild crazy dreams and nightmare's. This morning I woke believing I had leach's all over my body. Anybody else take this drug and get theses dreams? I'm also wondering what long term effects are from this drug if anybody knows? OH, and since there has been a recent increases in my dosage, I've been so inpatient and biting everybody's head off too. Bobbie See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Long Straws- beverage quality
I hate to be opicky, but my skillets are lined with teflon too. I don't see why it would loose its seal to plastic with just hot coffee going through it. I think some of what people say about things like PTFE is a bit rediculous. The stuff doesn't loose its bond when heated by gamma radiation. Why should it start smoking off gasses from my breath? The lies told be companies about competitors products get a tad rediculous. You don't hear them complain about breathing benzene in traffic jams. They can't prevent it without stopping the use of gasoline. The gas in the styreofoam coffee cup is probably more lethal than lead, but its so cheap to make. Isn't that same tubing used in medical versions? Where the big difference is they charge more for it. Aspertame is suppose to have every ill effect from alzhiemers to zenophobia yet a 25 year study by 5 major universities failed to show any ill effects. Vitamin E that is suppose to be a wonderful supplement accelerates lung cancer so badly that all studys with vitamin E and cancer have been halted but its not listed on the bottle of vitamin e. Its a minefield! john just ranting..dont take it personal. Pain meds havent kicked in -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Long Straws- beverage quality The problem with Tygon is that it's made with PTFE (Teflon). It's been proven theat Teflon can release poisonous gasses when heated. I would not drink through it. Bill age 56 C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Leesburg, FL Try something different: put a live chicken in your underwear. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Long Straws- beverage quality In a message dated 3/29/2007 10:10:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm pretty sure that most plastic and vinyl tube is good for both gasoline, acid or water. But if you want to be sure that the tube doesn't break down, consider this. Tygon tube is the choice of the food and beverage industry. The tube is stencil'd with food grade or food safe. Anything... might work. But Tygon is the grade to consider. Best Wishes W Go to Lowe's or Home Depot and get several feet of the plastic (or plastic-like) tubing that's used for the water supply line to a refrigerator or icemaker, and cut it to desired lengths. Be sure to wash it good before use. They have the narrow tubing (1/4 O.D.) that works well for hot liquids that you sip and the wider tubing (1/2 O.D.) for those bevs you really want to suck down. 73 Greg K4KO Lebanon, TN See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein
I don't have a skin problem myself. I don't drink soda or anything in large quantities. I have a friend and neighbor who's entire family suffers from a skin problem that is very itchy and scaley and has a name that I don't remember at the moment. My point is that his skin problem is not dietary. It responds to cortizone injections. Every member of his family on his mothers side suffers from it after the age of 35. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein My cousin is a nutritionist who has been telling me for years the faults by drinking carbonation. Skin and bone integrity ARE jeopardized. Enough to make note of. Skin being an organ is affected by diet, herbs and drugs. I would not use hereditary as an AOKY to push dietary health issues. Example as smoking will do no good to skin we all know. Many folks (not necessarily you) use hereditary as denial, or being big boned for over weight. My cousin sees this one all day. For myself, anything which helps to give me an advantage, I incorporate into my life. Merrill From: Elizabeth Treston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein The soda is bad for your bones as it leads to osteoporosis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:42 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein Why do youy think your skin problem has to be related to diet? Many skin problems are hereditary. It's not the caffiene, it's the cabonated water that is bad for you in soda. Best bet, see a dermatologist. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 9:05 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein Hello again, hello, I wanted to ask all of you a question that might help solve my most immediate concern and prime factor keeping me from being more participative, both socially and vocationally. I drink two or three glasses of Pepsi a day and wanted to know if caffeine is so bad for one's skin that it should be eliminated from my diet altogether or just reduced? I believe I drink plenty of water, mostly in the morning and evening hours. Can one drink too much water, maybe? Also, how much protein is appropriate to eat in one day. I take protein drinks and try to keep meat or food with protein regularly in my diet. I just cannot find a solution to my skin problems. Dillon hr size=2 width=100% align=center AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein
I have heard doctors discuss soda pop as being as big a threat to good health as cigarettes. The big part of the problem begins when we let children drink it instead of water. It has been cited as causing decalcification of bones and contributing to osteoperosis. Some sodas contain more cafiene than 30 cups of coffee. One nutrition book I read years ago described soda pop as an anti-nutrient. If your skin breaks down easily, you may want to take more B vitamins and vitamin D. You can get enough of these in a one a day vitamin. I've never met a doctor that didn't take vitamin supplements even though many food supplements have been proven to do nothing. I take mega doses of vitamin C and a stress vitamin. Since taking it my skin seems to heal faster and i don't stay in bed even if I have a sore. What good is having great skin if I loose what little mind I have. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Caffeine and protein Hello everyone, I have been suffering from skin breakdown for years and have consulted doctors and nurses about both causes and what I can do to prevent sores or red areas. I value all your input because I never heard before this chat room that soft drinks and caffeine have a detrimental effect upon one's skin. Have any of you read of any studies that definitely point to caffeine or soft drinks as a cause of tissue breakdown? Is it all subjective? If it is true that soft drinks and caffeine are indeed harmful to skin tissue, I will be furious at my doctor for either withholding this information or being a completely unaware of a solution that has caused me untold number of months in my bed waiting for my skin to heal. I appreciate any answers or help you could provide me, thanks in Dillon Dan T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also have low-sodium in addition to the other minerals in the bloodstream. They have been diluted by the large quantity of water and I have drank. Several years ago after I was hospitalized several times for a UTI are really increased my water intake and it helped but it dilutes the blood. You have to try to find a balance. The amount awarded that I was drinking was extremely large. Dan T. B. Kimberlin (Quadius) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dillon, It is definitely possible to drink too much water. I have done it, however, it takes quite a bit of water to become extremely dangerous. I did have been hospitalized because of this, but it was a matter of heat stroke or over hydration for me. It's a long story, but definitely monitor how much water you are taking in. I drink about 4 to 5 L a day and am always having trouble with low potassium and sodium. There are times when sodas definitely give me problems with my urine, but I have not seen any differences in my skin. I also try to take in carbonated water at times and I find this to be an adequate substitute for sodas, while giving me more water. Although, I tried to make sure it is low in sugar and other nasty things. The carbonation gives me the illusion that I am full and I tend to eat less, therefore, my weight is a little easier to manage, but not completely easy. Quadius Dillon Ewa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, hello, I wanted to ask all of you a question that might help solve my most immediate concern and prime factor keeping me from being more participative, both socially and vocationally. I drink two or three glasses of Pepsi a day and wanted to know if caffeine is so bad for one's skin that it should be eliminated from my diet altogether or just reduced? I believe I drink plenty of water, mostly in the morning and evening hours. Can one drink too much water, maybe? Also, how much protein is appropriate to eat in one day. I take protein drinks and try to keep meat or food with protein regularly in my diet. I just cannot find a solution to my skin problems. Dillon No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] tendon transfer
I agree Linda. I have been jilted from 2 companies because of waiver's innability to pay bills on time. The companys have been good about letting aids stay with me by letting them work for companies that will accept waiver. I feel it is a plot to make life such a pain that we go to nursing homes and fill beds the state has already paid for. Looks stupid on the budget when they pay for 6500 unused beds. Instead of not holding so many beds they try to force us into them. Nursing Homes have serious state level lobbbyists and are very influencial considering how much us cripples give to candidates. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tendon transfer Joan, I am a C4-5 complete, I have no trunk control, I feel like a ragdoll!! Oh my, yesterday my Nursing Service had a manditory meeting with all of their home health aids. This makes me sick, They sent no letters, although I talked with Jorgiene the owner yest she said that I should have gotten 3 letters. My cna I do mail everyday, we pick it up then open after dinner. Anyway, my case manager has tried very hard to get me on Medicaid Waiver finnally last fall. she got me on it. Well our N.Service is dropping Medicaid Waiver, claming they are several months on payment from Waiver. She said, she has lost thousands of dollars. Well it's our crummy governer Mitch that has changed the laws. We in IN have to get busy ditch Mitch out of office! They can give $900 million to build a new stadium but they couldn't give funding for all-day kindergarten. It's a rotten shame, where these politicians heads are! Anyway back to me, My CNA's can no longer take me to my Dr's appt., cannot take me out shopping or pick up my meds from my pharmacy. I save the! government money, by having Liz take me in my vehicle use my gas, during the time Liz is here to take me. I'm sick about this, sorry guys I just had to vent! Lindaf AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[QUAD-L] Re: [spinalresource] Acupuncture for SCI
I tried accupuncture about 19 years ago. I didn't expect any improvement in my paralasys and the doctor assured me he had no miracle treatment for a damaged spinal cord. He did try treating my pain. It had no effect at all. It didn't hurt anything, but it didn't help anything. It did cost me $45 and I did have some high hopes. He even did a treatment to help my bowels move better. Nada, zip, zilch, nothing. I'm sure it works wonders for folks with too much money in their wallet. john it may help someone but it didn't help me is all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 9:30 PM Subject: [spinalresource] Acupuncture for SCI Has anyone had acupuncture as a treatment for SCI? If so what was your experience? Has anyone heard stories of people using acupuncture? __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Spinal cord injury Spinal cord injury information Spinal cord injury rehabilitation Spinal cord injury treatment Spinal cord injury rehab Coolest Hair Have cool hair? Share and vote on Bix.com! Yahoo! TV Want the scoop? Check out today's news and gossip. Yahoo! 360° Get Started Create your page Share your life. __,_._,___ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] not enough RAM for dragon!
I'd need to know if your motherboard can accept a chipset to increase your RAM. Without knowing anything about your system, I'm only guessing. Most computers in the last 5 years will expand to 1024 megs. Thats just most, not all. You may have one of the motherboards that is maxed at 384 megs. I'm hoping it will at least double up to near 800 megs. good luck, john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] not enough RAM for dragon! I only have 384 MB and I need 512 MB. Anyone know about how much this is going to cost me? I know we've got some geeks up in here ;-) -k -- Life is 440 horsepower in a 2-cylinder engine. -Henry Miller AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Dylan's seizures
I take klonopin which works good for the wild seizures I have from the brain injury. Its addictive and I'd try something new if it was going to change my quality of life. I get seizures that can trigger AD seizures. I know its hard for y'all to believe but I try not to get upset about anything and I try to get this through the folks in the office that like to send my aids later or send someone that only does housecleaning. If I get upset it can turn pretty creepy. I haven't had a grand mal seizure in a long time. I hate when I come to in an ER and don't remember the last 5 or 6 hours. If you think it is hard to explain AD, try telling them it was caused by an epileptic seizure. Don't forget to say thank you for preventing the stroke you were about to have. Does anyone else have this problem? john 31 years post age 50 C-5 complete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:53 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Dylan's seizures A head trauma or just a spinal cord trauma? I’ve ever had a seizure or have heard of a chemical build-up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dylan's seizures My neurologist told me that it is a result of having a trauma, after I had my first couple seizures. I started my medication after testing and have never had a seizure since. I take 50 mg Tegratol twice a day. What do others take? I started medication about two years ago after my few seizures. Dana AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] Heather Mills- exBeatle wife and Dancing with the Stars dancer
You'll never meet anyone that will say they don't neeed it. Human nature. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Heather Mills- exBeatle wife and Dancing with the Stars dancer Heather Mills, ex-wife of Beatle is a contestant in the Dancing with the Stars, which started last evening on ABC-Television and was watched by over 22 million viewers. The contest mates contestants with professional dancers on the international level and compete for dollars. Heather is an amputee. The other contestants are all able bodied. Heather Mills, uses a special parking permit in the UK, as she claims that she needs it. Is she in violation of that special permit because of her physical activities on this side of the pond? You Be The Judge. W AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] parking issue w/ local PD
Most courtrooms are barely accessable. When argueing your case, rredecorate the place. I destroyed a pair of dual hinged doors. Came right off. Table wouldn't stand on 3 legs either. Don't do it. Judge got pissed and I did 30 days in a hospital. Be reasonable. Theres not enough handicapped parking. Judge will buy it. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:57 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] parking issue w/ local PD here's the scenario: it's a cold winter day in maine -- snow on the ground. i have a hair appointment about 20 miles from my home in a small city. the salon is located on main street which has ONE handicap parking space for a large downtown area. when i arrive, this spot is taken and i have my PCA drive around to search the area for another -- unsuccesful. after a few circles around the main street loop i am almost late for my appt so i tell her to just invent a space at the end of the diagonal parking row b/c i need space on the passenger side to get my bruno seat in and out. there was snow on the ground which covered the lines. if i had not been familiar with the area i wouldn't have known any different. i figured it was worth the risk of getting ticketed b/c i would have a strong argument as to why i violated the parking laws. as luck would have it, i did get a ticket which i refuse to pay (it's only $20 but it's the principle). so now i have a court date and need to come up with some stron! g arguments. some other factoids to consider: even in the summer this downtown area is difficult to navigate in a manual chair -- there are brick sidewalks that need repair and the curb cuts are a joke after the abuse from many winters, there is no way i could get around this area without help in the winter especially with improper snow removal. also, i am not sure what the ratio for handicap spaces to regular spaces is, but it doesn't seem like this meets code. does anyone know that ratio? i wanna say 1/25 or around that. the one space that is there is on a severe slope which makes the transfer outside of the vehicle tricky. are accessible spaces supposed to be level? so basically i need some ammo and strong arguments so i can get my point across to an unsympathetic police dept. any suggestions on things to say to make them see it from my (and our) point of view? parking is such a struggle -- a battle we are always fighting -- and i'm fed up! =jessica AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
