graduation status
How do things stand with regard to migrating to TLP? Do we have a schedule for board reports? --kevan
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!
Yay! Thanks to all in the VCL community for helping make this happen, and special thanks to our mentors for leading us through this process! Josh On Jun 20, 2012 2:05 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: All, The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a top-level ASF project. Congratulations to all! --kevan
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!
Congratulations!!!, All of you made it. Young Hyun Oh IBM Tivoli CTO Technology and Architecture From: Cameron Seay cws...@gmail.com To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org, Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/20/2012 02:36 PM Subject:Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation! This is HUGE! Well done. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: All, The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a top-level ASF project. Congratulations to all! --kevan -- Cameron Seay, Ph.D. Department of Computer Systems Technology School of Technology NC A T State University Greensboro, NC 336 334 7717 x2251
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!
Congratulations everyone. Cheers, Aaron On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yay! Thanks to all in the VCL community for helping make this happen, and special thanks to our mentors for leading us through this process! Josh On Jun 20, 2012 2:05 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: All, The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a top-level ASF project. Congratulations to all! --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!
Very nice, gratz ... Kevan, thanks to you for goat herding all of the things I can't remember :) On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: All, The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a top-level ASF project. Congratulations to all! --kevan signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!
Great news! Congratulations! -Kelly On 6/20/12 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: All, The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a top-level ASF project. Congratulations to all! --kevan
Fwd: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI - -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:26:09 PM From: Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu To: gene...@incubator.apache.org The VOTE by Apache Incubator to propose to the board graduation of the VCL podling to a TLP has passed. Tally of votes is as follows: 5 +1 votes (3 binding, 2 non-binding) 0 0 votes 0 -1 votes Binding +1 votes: Jukka Zitting Kevan Miller Matt Hogstrom Non-binding +1 votes: Aaron Peeler Josh Thompson This VOTE thread for this can be found at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- general/201206.mbox/%3C3217657.HtVQX5eHGp%40treebeard%3E I will send the proposal to the board this weekend. Josh On Monday, June 11, 2012 2:02:47 PM you wrote: IPMC members, Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed to the ASF Board at the June board meeting. I've included the discussion email I sent last week as a reference. I'd like to close the vote on Friday morning, June 15th. This will allow the vote to be open for over 72 hours and allow enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board and on the agenda for the June meeting. Please reply with your vote. +1 yes, VCL should graduate 0 don't know -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not Thanks, Josh Thompson PPMC member, ASF VCL -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM From: Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu To: gene...@incubator.apache.org IPMC members, The VCL project would like to graduate. We think we have fulfilled all of the requirements for graduation. We had a successful community graduation vote, including positive votes from 2 mentors. The result of that vote is in this email (mentors denoted by * in the list): http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl- user/201205.mbox/CAD7o_Xzkwd3ckZNWaDNPAhuJs9USKftgZcPhS=BNqpXsQhMivA@mail.g mail.com We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov) whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed. If something were to keep his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would need to be removed from the list before a vote is called for us to graduate. There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial chair. The result for that vote is in this email: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl- dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E Please provide any feedback on our charter. Also, let us know if there are any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed to graduate. Thanks, Josh -- --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/bmr0ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMa+wCfUNkBTQvBQo6IqeDsL9OeK2dY p5cAnA1Kk1uIqT6NvYBluZgB/5jYEKjq =F4xk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[mentors] non-IPMC votes for graduation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mentors, Are members of the VCL community supposed to be voting on the IPMC list for the proposal for us to graduate? I don't remember seeing anything about that in the information on the graduation process, but I'm seeing lots of votes when other projects have called for a graduation vote and not many for our current vote. Thanks, Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/aOzwACgkQV/LQcNdtPQOKhgCdFF+z24OvHZ18WzFiVeGxhb/V yw0AnihbCmwychAyHbjSNumYIszoSE4g =sX+t -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Fwd: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI - I just called for a vote on proposing that VCL graduate. - -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 2:02:47 PM From: Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu To: gene...@incubator.apache.org IPMC members, Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed to the ASF Board at the June board meeting. I've included the discussion email I sent last week as a reference. I'd like to close the vote on Friday morning, June 15th. This will allow the vote to be open for over 72 hours and allow enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board and on the agenda for the June meeting. Please reply with your vote. +1 yes, VCL should graduate 0 don't know - -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not Thanks, Josh Thompson PPMC member, ASF VCL - -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM From: Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu To: gene...@incubator.apache.org IPMC members, The VCL project would like to graduate. We think we have fulfilled all of the requirements for graduation. We had a successful community graduation vote, including positive votes from 2 mentors. The result of that vote is in this email (mentors denoted by * in the list): http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl- user/201205.mbox/CAD7o_Xzkwd3ckZNWaDNPAhuJs9USKftgZcPhS=bnqpxsqhm...@mail.gmail.com We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov) whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed. If something were to keep his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would need to be removed from the list before a vote is called for us to graduate. There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial chair. The result for that vote is in this email: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl- dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E Please provide any feedback on our charter. Also, let us know if there are any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed to graduate. Thanks, Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. - - - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/WMzgACgkQV/LQcNdtPQNLFgCfYwQP8mTZKvooLoyPgysegMb1 zOgAnjwbntLl1N68tOnq7xoqgV469MDk =s8pG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: graduation proposal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 According to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level. Should we go ahead and start that process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial member list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time? Thanks, Josh On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote: If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't recall a vote being sent to general@ --kevan - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/Pmj8ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMUCwCfSbE8HaCakJqUA0kHvYzR5/KQ zTsAnAvzdfwTr075qZ4DoPweXWIE7TKw =f4si -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: graduation proposal?
I agree. Aaron - Reply message - From: Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:00 pm Subject: graduation proposal? To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I see I didn't state what I was thinking. I was thinking what you said - to get the IPMC discussion part handled so that we don't have to work through that at the last minute. I'd say let's go ahead with what Andy suggested. Other thoughts? Josh On Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:24:11 PM Andy Kurth wrote: I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes place. However, we first need to propose the charter on the general incubator list and allow time for discussion. I propose adding his name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list. Mention that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin until the ICLA is on file. If the ICLA can't be done in a timely matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin. I believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding a new committer. -Andy On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 According to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level. Should we go ahead and start that process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial member list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time? Thanks, Josh On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote: If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't recall a vote being sent to general@ --kevan - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/Pmj8ACgkQV/LQcNdtPQMUCwCfSbE8HaCakJqUA0kHvYzR5/KQ zTsAnAvzdfwTr075qZ4DoPweXWIE7TKw =f4si -END PGP SIGNATURE- - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/PqOsACgkQV/LQcNdtPQPePgCeMMZiXpgbesuGc9BSUdFQOCIG vlQAnie743OWKo2hKUylBjdRx7Kyt98N =Ks4z -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: graduation proposal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevan, Thanks for the reminder. I think everything will be ready for sending the board resolution to the general list after we get a userid from Dmitri. I went ahead and changed all of the bold parts on the resolution wiki page to normal fonts. Josh On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote: If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't recall a vote being sent to general@ --kevan - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/NFZgACgkQV/LQcNdtPQOsxgCfYPRhjuRaTle/ETzf7tHKjb+q 5YYAn2FliGII9PkHyWDJVL4u/sCIIIRm =A3Ct -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 Just so Matt doesn't look so bad.. :) Regards, Alan On May 31, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Add my +1 ... late as it is Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine On May 31, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted! I updated the wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution -Andy On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: +1 And with that, the tally for this vote is: 16 positive votes 1 neutral vote 0 negative votes At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution. Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 And with that, the tally for this vote is: 16 positive votes 1 neutral vote 0 negative votes At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution. Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted! I updated the wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution -Andy On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: +1 And with that, the tally for this vote is: 16 positive votes 1 neutral vote 0 negative votes At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution. Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
Add my +1 ... late as it is Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine On May 31, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted! I updated the wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution -Andy On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: +1 And with that, the tally for this vote is: 16 positive votes 1 neutral vote 0 negative votes At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution. Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 On Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:03:42 PM Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+/f5QACgkQV/LQcNdtPQOtuwCfQb6bLTU9B5/pnHZg3YCX8lzt beYAn1ABOB+GGAkkDtPaNEAKz5wecnG3 =2ZpR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 --kevan On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS Austin 106N /\ 737-1515 /\ mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:04 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
[VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 Aaron P. On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 Larry Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 On 5/24/2012 8:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu - -- Jim O'Dell Network Analyst California State University Fullerton Email: jod...@fullerton.edu Phone: (657) 278-2256 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk++UcAACgkQREVHAOnXPYT82ACfeiUL/4Ukj5FYBFoVTVaqwRm+ AU8An2bmmQtO7uKkS9D9bb2L6AGf5ZLq =NgvW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 Rommel Hidalgo Division of Information Technology California State University, Fullerton rhida...@fullerton.edu -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:04 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 -- Thank you, Dmitri Chebotarov Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers Messaging 223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5 Phone: (703) 993-6175 Fax: (703) 993-3404 On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 11:44 , Hidalgo, Rommel wrote: +1 Rommel Hidalgo Division of Information Technology California State University, Fullerton rhida...@fullerton.edu (mailto:rhida...@fullerton.edu) -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:04 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org (mailto:vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org) Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 Go Andy! Arbin Darren Sanders IT Manager - Academic Computing North Carolina Central University 712 Cecil Street Suite 3014 Durham, NC 27707 919.530.6307 919.530.5097 (Fax) For the Latest ITS Updates and Tips Join Us Online CONFIDENTIALITY: This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:04 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __ __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
+1 On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: All, I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project. For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair. -Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
Andy, I believe one of the strengths of VCL is in its ability to manage software license issues and use roles to manage who has access to what. Is this something that should be included or should we save that for a later and longer description further down the page. Mark On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? Thanks, Andy -- Mark Gardner --
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Thanks for writing this. It sounds great. Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? I would support having Andy serve as chair. Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? That sounds much better (though I believe a comma should precede 'which'). Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edu smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
Oops. Moving to vcl-dev rather than vcl-user. On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? It would be good to list all current committers who aren't on this list. From a quick scan, it looks like bmbouter made some commits in 2009 and isn't included. Which is OK. But from my experience, best to be explicit on these matters, and discuss the criteria used to determine the list. Make sure you're including documentation contributions and mailing list discussions etc. Alan said he'd follow the project to help insure a smooth graduation. So, I'd add him. You can leave me on the list, also. No. Don't change status file. Technically, that would require a vote… The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? Im happy with the choice of the community. Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? I'll look at details of the text later… May be next week... --kevan
Re: Graduation
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. I too think its time and support graduation to TLP. Kevan also represents my intention wrt to involvement. It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the project and make sure that there's a smooth transition. It's not clear to me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill. If so, great. If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut. Thanks Alan. I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather not have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've mentored. Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start. --kevan Kevan, I don't consider it shirking your responsibility to not continue on the PMC. Alan, Kevan, and Matt, We really appreciate your help to our project and community as our mentors. I doubt you had any idea your commitment to us as mentors would be for as long as it has been. Thanks for all the time and effort you have put into mentoring us in the Apache Way! It is totally understandable if you want to cut strings with us as soon as we graduate. We would appreciate any input you have in the few months after we graduate but understand if you want to limit that commitment. Josh
Re: Graduation
My thoughts exactly. Thanks to each of you for your advice and mentoring. Best Regards, Aaron On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. I too think its time and support graduation to TLP. Kevan also represents my intention wrt to involvement. It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the project and make sure that there's a smooth transition. It's not clear to me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill. If so, great. If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut. Thanks Alan. I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather not have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've mentored. Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start. --kevan Kevan, I don't consider it shirking your responsibility to not continue on the PMC. Alan, Kevan, and Matt, We really appreciate your help to our project and community as our mentors. I doubt you had any idea your commitment to us as mentors would be for as long as it has been. Thanks for all the time and effort you have put into mentoring us in the Apache Way! It is totally understandable if you want to cut strings with us as soon as we graduate. We would appreciate any input you have in the few months after we graduate but understand if you want to limit that commitment. Josh -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Graduation
On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. I too think its time and support graduation to TLP. Kevan also represents my intention wrt to involvement. It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the project and make sure that there's a smooth transition. It's not clear to me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill. If so, great. If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut. Thanks Alan. I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather not have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've mentored. Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start. --kevan
Re: Graduation
On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. I too think its time and support graduation to TLP. Kevan also represents my intention wrt to involvement. It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the project and make sure that there's a smooth transition. It's not clear to me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill. If so, great. If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut. Regards, Alan
Re: Graduation
To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. I too think its time and support graduation to TLP. Kevan also represents my intention wrt to involvement. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine On May 8, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
On May 9, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. I can update this tomorrow. I think I got this, already. But if I missed anything/made any mistakes, please let Alan know… ;-) --kevan
Re: Graduation
Hi Dmitri, No apologies necessary. This is a good and important question. The graduation is the process in which a incubator project becomes a Top Level Project (TLP). The graduation means that a project has shown that it (as a community) understands the Apache Software Foundation's core principles. Also known as The Apache Way. While this is not a complete official list, the principles include: * collaborative software development * commercial-friendly license * respective, honest, technical-based interaction * faithful implementation of standards * security as a mandatory feature See this for more info on how ASF works http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html My slightly longer answer. Within Apache Software Foundation there is a entry path in which a project/community shows that it, (as a whole) can be self-sustaining and operates under The Apache Way. This entry path is through what is called the incubator and this is our current state. In incubator status, we as a community, learn the principles (The Apache way) by doing. With the assistance of our mentors, such as Kevan, Alan, and Matt. We learn the core principles mentioned above, how to grow a healthy and diverse community, how to properly cut releases through Apache software Foundation, handle intelectual property through the community contributions, and learn the principle of meritocracy (government by merit) through the process of inviting community members who have contributed and are interested to become committers and be part of the project governing process, etc. Once we have reached the incubator milestones, we can then proceed to graduate. Through the graduation process an incubator project either becomes a subproject of another ASF project or a top level project. If we fail to do these tasks or if the project fizzles out, then the incubator project retires from Apache Software foundation and is not supported by ASF. Hope this helps and others please feel free to comment. Most of this is my summation from: How ASF works and short history: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html Incubator Graduation: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html What is Graduation? http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#introduction Roles of incubator http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html Aaron On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Dmitri Chebotarov dcheb...@gmu.edu wrote: Hi, May I ask what are the benefits of graduation for VCL? How does graduation change the way the VCL is used? I apologize if these are trivial questions. Thanks. -- Dmitri Chebotarov Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers Messaging 223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5 Phone: (703) 993-6175 Fax: (703) 993-3404 On Monday, May 7, 2012 at 16:39 , Kevan Miller wrote: On May 7, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Alexander Patterson wrote: I would love to see 2.3 to graduate :) I will enjoy many of the bug fixes Thanks Alexander. Minor point - a 2.3 release is orthogonal to the graduation process. A 2.3 release can happen before or after graduation… There's a 'status of 2.3 release' thread on the vcl-dev list. You're more than welcome to voice your 2.3 desires, there... --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I meant to send this earlier and then got bogged down working on the release. I definitely think we should start the process of graduating. I really feel like we have enough of a community now that if NCSU were to pull out of the project (very unlikely to happen), VCL would continue to survive. The web site definitely needs work either before graduating or very soon after. I have some ideas about how to organize things based on what type of information a person may be looking for when visiting the site. I'll try to get that framework put in place now that Andy has created the stub files for using the new CMS system. As soon as we get a release candidate cut, I'll have more time to work on things like the status page and the web site. Josh On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14:25 AM Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating +from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/project s/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+pJnkACgkQV/LQcNdtPQPgRACfb1JU4fGKWAr5xs2xmVrSZiMc OlAAnA5LzE3Ng1W8t7XveW6wnefyiZ6m =ICsu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Graduation
Good explanation Aaron. Regarding the benefits of graduating -- I don't know if there are any tangible benefits but in my opinion there are some intangible benefits: - The Apache brand is pretty well-known and prestigious. They don't accept just any old open-source project as an official project, let alone as a podling. We will be in very good company with the other ASF projects. - Graduating and becoming a top-level project will help promote Apache VCL. I'm hopeful that VCL adoption and the growth of our development community will accelerate. - We don't have to pack up and find a new home elsewhere :) Graduating will not and should not change the way VCL is used or how the community operates. Upon successful graduation, there are some administrative tasks that need to be done but the day-to-day community activity shouldn't change. I think this is the main point for the whole process. Once the community demonstrates that it is diverse, viable, and aligned with the ASF philosophy and policies, it graduates and continues to operate in the same manner. -Andy On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Hi Dmitri, No apologies necessary. This is a good and important question. The graduation is the process in which a incubator project becomes a Top Level Project (TLP). The graduation means that a project has shown that it (as a community) understands the Apache Software Foundation's core principles. Also known as The Apache Way. While this is not a complete official list, the principles include: * collaborative software development * commercial-friendly license * respective, honest, technical-based interaction * faithful implementation of standards * security as a mandatory feature See this for more info on how ASF works http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html My slightly longer answer. Within Apache Software Foundation there is a entry path in which a project/community shows that it, (as a whole) can be self-sustaining and operates under The Apache Way. This entry path is through what is called the incubator and this is our current state. In incubator status, we as a community, learn the principles (The Apache way) by doing. With the assistance of our mentors, such as Kevan, Alan, and Matt. We learn the core principles mentioned above, how to grow a healthy and diverse community, how to properly cut releases through Apache software Foundation, handle intelectual property through the community contributions, and learn the principle of meritocracy (government by merit) through the process of inviting community members who have contributed and are interested to become committers and be part of the project governing process, etc. Once we have reached the incubator milestones, we can then proceed to graduate. Through the graduation process an incubator project either becomes a subproject of another ASF project or a top level project. If we fail to do these tasks or if the project fizzles out, then the incubator project retires from Apache Software foundation and is not supported by ASF. Hope this helps and others please feel free to comment. Most of this is my summation from: How ASF works and short history: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html Incubator Graduation: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html What is Graduation? http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#introduction Roles of incubator http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html Aaron On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Dmitri Chebotarov dcheb...@gmu.edu wrote: Hi, May I ask what are the benefits of graduation for VCL? How does graduation change the way the VCL is used? I apologize if these are trivial questions. Thanks. -- Dmitri Chebotarov Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers Messaging 223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5 Phone: (703) 993-6175 Fax: (703) 993-3404 On Monday, May 7, 2012 at 16:39 , Kevan Miller wrote: On May 7, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Alexander Patterson wrote: I would love to see 2.3 to graduate :) I will enjoy many of the bug fixes Thanks Alexander. Minor point - a 2.3 release is orthogonal to the graduation process. A 2.3 release can happen before or after graduation… There's a 'status of 2.3 release' thread on the vcl-dev list. You're more than welcome to voice your 2.3 desires, there... --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Graduation
On May 8, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Graduating will not and should not change the way VCL is used or how the community operates. Upon successful graduation, there are some administrative tasks that need to be done but the day-to-day community activity shouldn't change. I think this is the main point for the whole process. Once the community demonstrates that it is diverse, viable, and aligned with the ASF philosophy and policies, it graduates and continues to operate in the same manner. Well put Aaron and Andy. Process-wise -- currently the Apache Incubator PMC is performing oversight of the VCL project. After graduation as a Top Level Project, the VCL PMC will be in charge of this oversight. This reduces some administrative bureaucracy, but also increases the importance of the oversight provided by the VCL PMC (responsibilities they are already fulfilling). Incubation is not permanent and must end with either graduation or retirement. VCL is quite old by Incubation standards, but we've reached a good place. To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member. --kevan
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the community in resolving problems associated with VCL. It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future. Mike Waldron Systems Specialist ITS Research Computing University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I would like to also approve the graduation of VCL. Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! -Original message- From: Waldron, Michael H mwald...@email.unc.edu To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org, vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:17:59 EDT Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the community in resolving problems associated with VCL. It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future. Mike Waldron Systems Specialist ITS Research Computing University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for graduation. As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.orghttp://vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edumailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I concur that VCL graduation is warranted. GSU has been running VCL for nearly two years. The VCL community has been helpful to Georgia State in getting our VCL instance going and supported. The related VCL discussions as well as the VCL Virtual Office Hours indicate, in my opinion, a strong and diverse community implementing, using and supporting VCL. Graduation to next level is my vote. Art Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IST Information Systems Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information Computer Science, Georgia Tech MVA Painting Drawing, Georgia State Web page: http://www.gsu.edu/ist/acs/25735.html From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:46 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org; aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu Cc: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for graduation. As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.orghttp://vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edumailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting and the top-level projects do have their own url projectname.apache.org. I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by ASF? I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at least have a start on a new site by graduation time. Aaron Peeler
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I looked through a number of existing top-level ASF project websites, and they
all appear to be serving up static HTML pages. Some of them use a wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/{project name}; otherwise, the sites appear to be
generated by some sort of script/template combination. If there is a choice, I
would recommend following this model: using static pages as much as possible
will effectively eliminate almost all security and maintenance issues.
Most ASF sites do not have a search feature, and those that do rely on third
parties (e.g. google). It would be easy enough to follow that model, though if
we use Sphinx, it has a built-in (javascript-based) search engine.
There are a lot of template-based options for building sites, and I am
completely unfamiliar with most of them. Velocity is another ASF project, but I
have never worked with it. Several years ago I used Template::Toolkit quite a
bit, which is written in perl. Since so much of the VCL uses perl, this might
be a good option -- not that one actually needs to know perl to use it. It
would also be possible to use an XSLT-based engine, but I XSL syntax can be
very unforgiving. My current favorite is Sphinx, which relies on python to
generate the HTML.
Aaron Coburn
On May 4, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:
As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
(MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
-- it does create excellent sites, though.
I believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting
and the top-level projects do have their own url
projectname.apache.org.
I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other
projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending
projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance
to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by
ASF?
I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it
this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?
I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at
least have a start on a new site by graduation time.
Aaron Peeler
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
[DISCUSS] Graduation
This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy
Re: Graduation Thoughts
On Mar 16, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Guys, I've been an absent mentor and am catching up on e-mail. In looking at VCL it seems like you're kinda past time to graduate. Kind of like a 26-year-old college Student living at home :) Thoughts on kicking off the process? Do you feel there's sufficient diversity? It seems to me that if NCSU pulls their engineers off the project it will be dead in the water. I'd like to know what your opinion is on this. Other than that I feel that it's an excellent project and ready for graduation. Regards, Alan
Graduation Thoughts
Guys, I've been an absent mentor and am catching up on e-mail. In looking at VCL it seems like you're kinda past time to graduate. Kind of like a 26-year-old college Student living at home :) Thoughts on kicking off the process? Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Mike, This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA. Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go. Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking about it now. Aaron On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild m...@longsight.com wrote: I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Aaron, No problem, I'm looking forward to this work! I submitted my contributor agreement this morning to Apache and asked that they notify you. If you're getting close to a 2.3 release, this will be a great time to start developing and revising docs. We should probably set up a time to talk offline...? Regards, Mike -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:40, Aaron Peeler aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA. Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go. Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking about it now. Aaron On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild m...@longsight.com wrote: I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Regards, Mike -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 13:52, Aaron Peeler aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Best Regards, Aaron -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan
[Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Best Regards, Aaron -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Aaron Peeler wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Diversity is the only sticking point that I have. I've been happy with the increased communication (one minor point -- try not to substitute Jira posts with mailing list communication) and overall progress of the community. I'd recommend that you continue to encourage and mentor new contributors. So that they can become committers on the project. --kevan
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? I think this is a great podling. Diversity is the only sticking point that I have. Are their any lurkers out there who would be willing to step up? :) Sometimes writing or re-writing a sub-system is enough to attract fresh blood. What kinds of things would people like to see added to VCL? Regards, Alan
Re: Graduation?
On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now. One is to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page. However, those features are more high level and rather involved. The other is in our JIRA system. Anyone can create new issues there. There are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are: Bug Improvement New Feature So, what I would suggest is to create a New Feature issue for anything you'd like to see added to VCL. Issues can be voted on. Anyone else wanting the same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the rest of the community. Good discussions. A good time to review -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community Also, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html Particularly http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html#notes-community Active committers -- the easier you can make it for someone to contribute, the more people will help. It seems there is a good user base. You need to help foster developers/contributors in this community: * actively advertise things that need to be done * don't fix everything (especially simpler tasks that are good for newcomers) * praise contributions * ask, beg, borrow for contributions * use social media -- twitter, facebook, etc. * is there a VCL irc channel? if not, consider using one * freshen up the web site -- http://incubator.apache.org/vcl/ Note that contributions need not be in the form of code. Documentation, web site, answering user questions -- all are valuable contributions to the community. --kevan
Re: Graduation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the level of activity and discussions within the community. I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon... --kevan The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to run it and a set of users to use it. The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more months, then I'm not so sure. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5o4PMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQM3TACbB4pNqHsJ+LpKCLME4Xz5nuZo DFQAniVW/QHQE7OnNnBTzmwVGFraBgBw =oKdr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Graduation?
I concur with the thoughts on this. At Georgia State I am working with Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move toward contributor level. It is a somewhat gradual process, but I think we are moving in the right direction. Would it be useful to consider listing a set of known feature requests so that we could use that as Challenges to computer science (students, post-docs...)? I've thought of several, but not really sure how important they might be - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.) For instance: a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource management traces, e.g. to CSV file. Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email) he's used. My thought would be that students would use that as start and implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option). While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat trivial, it could serve to get students involved. b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011 email) Block Allocation request. Can this be limited so that only those within a particular group (faculty) can make the request? Mike Waldron's reply (8/31) was I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend. That might be another feature of interest. I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to manage image list for instance). Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the level of activity and discussions within the community. I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon... --kevan The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to run it and a set of users to use it. The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more months, then I'm not so sure. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5o4PMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQM3TACbB4pNqHsJ+LpKCLME4Xz5nuZo DFQAniVW/QHQE7OnNnBTzmwVGFraBgBw =oKdr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IST Information Systems Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information Computer Science, Georgia Tech MVA
Re: Graduation?
I too am ramping up a pilot here at Virginia Tech and expect to be able to contribute more in the future. I have incomplete code for the frontend that adds support for IPv6. (I have also fixed a bug in IPv4 validity checking which I need to check in but the fix is in the context of the IPv6 code.) I will be moving on to the backend IPv6 code next. I would request that the Foundation to be generous in allowing the project to continue flowering. I think we will get there. Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Art Vandenberg avandenb...@gsu.edu wrote: I concur with the thoughts on this. At Georgia State I am working with Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move toward contributor level. It is a somewhat gradual process, but I think we are moving in the right direction. Would it be useful to consider listing a set of known feature requests so that we could use that as Challenges to computer science (students, post-docs...)? I've thought of several, but not really sure how important they might be - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.) For instance: a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource management traces, e.g. to CSV file. Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email) he's used. My thought would be that students would use that as start and implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option). While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat trivial, it could serve to get students involved. b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011 email) Block Allocation request. Can this be limited so that only those within a particular group (faculty) can make the request? Mike Waldron's reply (8/31) was I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend. That might be another feature of interest. I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to manage image list for instance). Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the level of activity and discussions within the community. I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon... --kevan The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to run it and a set of users to use it. The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more months, then I'm not so sure. Josh
Re: Graduation?
thanks. Will look to JIRA then. Art On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now. One is to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page. However, those features are more high level and rather involved. The other is in our JIRA system. Anyone can create new issues there. There are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are: Bug Improvement New Feature So, what I would suggest is to create a New Feature issue for anything you'd like to see added to VCL. Issues can be voted on. Anyone else wanting the same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the rest of the community. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5pBFMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQNN/gCfU8fkuUeWm3hsLq+BfUnqCbBv 0RMAnRMFIhbcL3ioR04BuHUgUwf72ATq =jhXc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IST Information Systems Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information Computer Science, Georgia Tech MVA Painting Drawing, Georgia State Web page: http://www.gsu.edu/ist/acs/25735.html
Re: Graduation?
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James O'Dell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/4/2011 4:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Regards, Alan I certainly see NCSU as the leader in VCL, and I do see their continued support as key to the success of the project. I'm just wondering if the project were to graduate(It certainly seems stable enough to), if that wouldn't generate more diversity via greater exposure. Unfortunately the diversity must be there before it graduates. We can't graduate the polling and hope for the best, this is what the Incubator is all about. As a point, our vice president of information technology is scheduled to give a presentation at EduCause this October. VCL is his the topic. I'm hoping this will generate some buzz. I'm happy to wait until October to see if the rest of the project does as well. However, I think we face the fact that this project has been around for quite a long time and has not attracted new committers. Maybe the project could park at GitHub, or somewhere, and if and when the it becomes diverse enough it could come back; if it still wanted to. Regards, Alan
Re: Graduation?
I agree with the diversity point and would also like to see more diversity among the community developers. I don't see NCSU stopping our efforts on VCL development, but that is just my view point. NCSU has a great deal invested in our time, resources, and other research projects using VCL services. In addition the NCSU population would not be very happy if VCL was discontinued. Our usage numbers for last week hit close to 6000 reservations for over 2500 users. Anyone in the community who is interested in getting more involved in the development process, please don't hesitate to speak up either on the list(preferred method) or directly to any of the active developers(myself, Andy Kurth, or Josh Thompson). We can guide you through the process of getting more involved. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Aaron On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Regards, Alan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Graduation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/4/2011 4:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Regards, Alan I certainly see NCSU as the leader in VCL, and I do see their continued support as key to the success of the project. I'm just wondering if the project were to graduate(It certainly seems stable enough to), if that wouldn't generate more diversity via greater exposure. As a point, our vice president of information technology is scheduled to give a presentation at EduCause this October. VCL is his the topic. I'm hoping this will generate some buzz. __Jim - -- Jim O'Dell Network Analyst California State University Fullerton Email: jod...@fullerton.edu Phone: (657) 278-2256 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5mVsQACgkQREVHAOnXPYS3/wCfXs19FEEKzWnyuFE62O7MrO4l iZMAn2jxdZEelqD6c2aCGFPRKCeaagCF =XdtQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Graduation?
It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process... --kevan
Re: Graduation?
On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? incubation is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU pulled the plug on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Regards, Alan
Graduation ... things to consider
There was a short discussion on the private list about graduation but this is a general topic for the community so I'm starting this thread in dev. VCL has been cooking for a little over a year and although we're not really ready to graduate its timely to start considering what people will be looking for to support a movement from Incubator to a Top Level Project (TLP). - Community Diversity This is a really significant area that will receive some attention. Apache wants the communities to thrive independent of the contribution of any single entity. In this case, the bulk of the commits and community are from NC State. There seems to be a lot of interest in consuming VCL by universities ... are there universities that students at other universities, companies or hobbyists that would be interested in contributing? How can we reach them? - Releases There is one release that was voted on. I think a few more would be good. Perhaps a release a quarter or six months ? Also, we should probably update the Wiki so people have a link on how to find the release. Those are the two big things off the top of my head. Perhaps one way to get other people interested in VCL would be to think about offering some of the internal components of VCL as consumable units in other projects. A lot of projects are looking at how to do reservations, package images and things like that. Perhaps some increased granularity would pull in more developers and contributors. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine
