RE: [videoblogging] Do Blip and Revver ads increase buffering times?
Hey Rox, Drop me an e-mail off-list and we can diagnose your slow-loading. If you upload your own FLVs, that could cause a problem. It's also possible for us to put you on another bandwidth provider to improve performance. I'm going to address the ad issue itself in a separate e-mail replying to Chris. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxanne Darling Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Do Blip and Revver ads increase buffering times? I do not have ads turned on for Blip and I find slow loading is an issue. It is definitely slower than when we managed our own server, to the point that many people have contacted me. But I balance the price of the hosting and the fact that the show is free to viewers. I would love for blip to have a premium service that rocked my world with speed. I would pay for that. ALoha, Rox On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since activating ads on Blip and Revver, I've noticed a lot more stopping and starting of my videos. As in, there was virtually NONE before and now there must be ten or more pauses. This is a painful tradeoff for me to make... On the one hand, I need to make money off this show. On the other hand, these actresses worked for no cash up front, in a potentially embarrassing situation, strictly out of faith in my writing and love for the characters, and I want to see their performances properly showcased. Not only that, I want viewers to sit through a video long enough to get the show. I worry that the pauses are detrimental to the comedy. Oy... has anybody else experienced the same thing on Blip and Revver? Chris http://www.myspace.com/necropol Penelope can run... but her stockings run faster: http://www.penelopespantyhose.com -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Do Blip and Revver ads increase buffering times?
Hey Chris, Showing ads do require us to run some extra code, which can potentially distract your computer from the core task of loading, decompressing and displaying the video. That said, the impact shouldn't be all that noticeable. If you drop me an e-mail off-list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with a link to some specific examples I can see if there's something else going on with your videos. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:43 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Do Blip and Revver ads increase buffering times? Well, I turned the Blip ads off, even the postroll ads, and now everything runs smoothly again. Which is great, because when people come to my site I want them to be able to view a nice, big, crisp, smooth running version of the show. The downside, of course, is now I won't make a penny when people watch the show on my site. I still have to work the kinks out of that one. I don't so much mind if the video plays herky-jerky on other sites (I TubeMoguled the crap out of it), I just want it looking great on my URL. Where are some good places to post the Revver version and make a few extra sheckels? Thanks for your two cents, Rox. I need all I can get. ;) Chris Burdick http://www.myspace.com/necropol Penelope can run... but her stockings run faster: http://penelopespantyhose.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not have ads turned on for Blip and I find slow loading is an issue. It is definitely slower than when we managed our own server, to the point that many people have contacted me. But I balance the price of the hosting and the fact that the show is free to viewers. I would love for blip to have a premium service that rocked my world with speed. I would pay for that. ALoha, Rox Groups related to videoblogging LinkedinBloggers (16 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LinkedinBloggers?v=1t=iptch=emailpub=gr oupsslk=aftr0sec=recg Business Finance/Employment and Work: Registration Open Only To LinkedIN Members. To joi... article_announce (15 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/article_announce?v=1t=iptch=emailpub=gr oupsslk=aftr1sec=recg Computers Internet/Other: Article Announce Writer Publisher Exchange is an... amateurvideoediting (15 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amateurvideoediting?v=1t=iptch=emailpub =groupsslk=aftr2sec=recg Multimedia/Video: This group is for anyone who is interested in vide... Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Blip.tv and 1.33 aspect ratio
Hey guys, Just to follow up: We've been running after this anamorphic video issue for a couple weeks now at blip HQ. Today I escalated to Adobe to ask them how to deal with it. Their answer: Tell your users not to do anamorphic video! I realize this isn't a good answer, and I told them so. They're trying to figure out a real answer now. In the meantime please upload square pixels! :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Fish Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:35 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Blip.tv and 1.33 aspect ratio By way of brief introduction, I am a long time lurker, first time poster and trying to find time for a videoblog. I have been looking for a workflow which will allow me to move quickly from my HDV video (Sony FX1) from the non square format to square format for the web, Blip etc. I use Vegas pro 8 for NLE and I wish to end up with video encoded to various web flavored formats. I realize I can convert the video in the editor. I'm looking to find an optimal work flow that involves the least personal attention after editing (while encoding) because it seems to be very compute intensive. A semi random search for Nirvana in the encoding world looks like it will be very time consuming. I have high hopes of finding some sage advice here. Bob... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good arguments, however, neither 1440x1080 nor 720x480 Anamorphic are meant to be viewed (as you stated in your other post, so I'm not telling you anything new) in those dimensions in square pixels. Since blip delivers video to computers, which use square pixels, IMO, there's no reason they should cater to anything other than 16x9 or 4x3 formats. One more time, with feeling: I'm not asking them to present non square pixels. I'm asking them to convert non-square pixels for the Web. As you say below: How come videos are expected to be formatted at television sizes (4:3 and 16:9)? I'm expecting them not to be and you're telling me I shouldn't. ;) And because I'm feeling snarky, from the Blip site: We're sending our top shows directly to the television set with Internet video on demand. And that's just the start. We believe that your show should be indistinguishable from a show on a broadcast network in terms of how people find and watch it. We're working hard to make this happen. More snark quoting Blip on the issue of formats: You shouldn't have to choose between great quality Flash video and compatibility with iTunes. Your videos should work everywhere, no question. That's why blip.tv supports every video format under the sun, from Flash 8 (much higher quality than most Flash video) to Quicktime (for the all-important iTunes) to DivX and 3gp (we think cell phones are cool, too). That sounds like a utility knife to me. ;) I think you bring up an interesting discussion. How come videos are expected to be formatted at television sizes (4:3 and 16:9)? other question is What is the benefit to a company to accommodate people that choose not to conform? If I'm an average video guy who just wants to make video, how would I know whether I'm conforming or not? I have a vision, my camera shoots at this resolution, I can output files in the same resolution from my video editor, so how am I *not* conforming? Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] It begins...
The Internets were largely, if I recall, developed by private companies (like BBN) under (D)ARPA grant. While the funding came from .gov, the innovation came from .com. Soon thereafter .com pretty much took over, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eddie Codel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] It begins... You mean like the Internet? Hi Charles! On Jan 18, 2008 2:05 PM, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from some of the attitudes here, one might be inclined to think that vlogging was invented by the government and promoted by grants. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: It begins...
The real world isn't black and white, even if we'd like it to be. There are varying degrees of regulation. Some regulation can be good. Stifling regulation is rarely, if ever, good. Pink unicorns may have managed to bring us a chocolate river while some regulation existed, but you'd be hard-pressed to make a case for regulation on this basis. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:05 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: It begins... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Eddie! There are probably fewer than five people on this list that would find any value in the old-school ARPANET the government gave us decades ago. Everything newer than that, and the cheap hardware and software that made vlogging possible, is a chocolate river brought to us by pink unicorns. Who, amazingly, were able to do so under government regulation. Your argument is still as empty as air. Chris Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: It begins...
While I generally agree with you that corporations are not automatically evil, that government is not automatically good and that free markets are wonderful, I still find it curious that you insist that there are no defenses of free markets reliant upon such ludicrous assumptions. I'm sure there are people out there who make such arguments... I've heard such arguments. You may reject them as invalid, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. By the way... where do I get a pink unicorn? I want one. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles HOPE Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:29 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: It begins... Chris wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you put honor system in quotes? I never used that phrase. It wasn't the honor system or any other sort of kindness that put cheap cell phones in the hands of nearly everybody in the West, rich and poor. It was pink unicorns. We are literally surrounded by the gifts bestowed by pink unicorns, and whenever pink unicorns are abolished, people become miserable, but if you nevertheless refuse to believe in them, there's no further proof I can produce. So I suppose that makes you correct. I don't know, it always seems to me there's an undercurrent of industry is honest and government is not in these arguments. But you're right, I shouldn't have made the assumption that you were suggesting a code of ethics might keep corporations honest sans regulation. Not only did I not say it, but nobody says it. There are no defenses of free markets reliant upon such ludicrous assumptions. The arguments are either based on observation (observe that wealth is proportional to economic freedom), or morals (only voluntary transactions preserve human dignity). If I, like you, had no idea how naked self-interest could paradoxically result in good quality at affordable prices, my worldview would be equally depressive. Left to themselves, I would think that companies would charge infinite prices for abysmal goods, and only regulation enables consumers to survive. How complete communism doesn't follow from that is beyond me. Do you really have any reasons why the government should not regulate all production and distribution? Why wouldn't consumers benefit from this? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview
So the Hand-picked list is actually in a box that presents two types of videos for you. It's changed a little bit since this screenshot was taken. By default the presentation is of Hand Picked videos, which are picked by our editor. They're not necessarily related at all to what you're watching now. I suppose there is a little bit of father knows best here, but the basic motivation is this: We've found that when people click on our human-driven suggestions they spend between 10x and 20x as much time on the site watching videos than people who click on videos from other sources and recommendations (like popularity). The second option in that box used to be Related (and it may be again, we're test driving a number of methods for driving that). It's now Random -- a random assortment of episodes from regularly updated, high quality shows. In the future I do believe we'll be presenting Related videos on this page. The related videos will probably be driven by a collaborative filtering system. Right now we're evaluating four different CF systems. These systems work by providing recommendations on two planes: videos that are subject-matter similar to the video you're watching now and videos that are similar to videos you've expressed interest in before (based on a number of criteria like how long you watched videos, which videos you watched more than others, how you responded to them by commenting or rating, et cetera). -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael_aivaliotis Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kary Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the YouTube comparison, maybe he means in basic layout. Comments under video and a sidebar with other videos, etc. I'd say in terms design and ease of use, however, YouTube is to MySpace what blip is to Facebook. Yes, I was comparing the layout and content areas. I didn't mean it as a criticism or a compliment, just an observation. The Hand Picked list is a bit questionable because it states: related in the top right corner. This implies a father knows best attitude that I don't agree with. Related based on what criteria? Keyword matches? When you include a human editor in the mix it gets weird. Not sure how you can find the staff and resources to do this, but hey. It would be really cool if we could list *our* hand picked items, or at least narrow the results down to specific providers. In any case, I can understand why you need to get people to explore other content so I agree with the concept but not sure about the implementation. In general, I like the overall layout. PS. The URL link to the screenshot was no big revelation. It was already announced by Blip.tv themselves on their blog. I was just letting the group know since I thought they would like to comment. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Blip.tv and 1.33 aspect ratio
You got it Bill. We made the default embed small because larger embeds don't fit well in a lot of sites -- most notably the large majority of blogs. People can tweak the embed size to make it larger, but we've found that making the default size smaller is the most effective option. In our next release we're going to have saved player functionality that will allow you to customize version of the blip player with your own color scheme, branding, dimensions, et cetera and re-use those players in cross-posting, copy paste, et cetera. So you'll have much, much more control over these things pretty soon. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Cammack Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:10 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Blip.tv and 1.33 aspect ratio --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm an average video guy who just wants to make video, how would I know whether I'm conforming or not? I have a vision, my camera shoots at this resolution, I can output files in the same resolution from my video editor, so how am I *not* conforming? Im not sure if this is related, but ive had this same issue. (yes, ive also taken this to the blip group). Im posting my videos in 640x480. Blip page: http://blip.tv/file/596840 Permalink: http://blip.tv/file/get/Jaydedman-aStoryThatIsntYou166.mp4 But when I grab their embed code, the video is much smaller: http://www.momentshowing.net/2008/01/video-a-story-t.html They told me they shrink the video in the embed code since so many people were embedding blip videos on pages that couldnt fit 640x480. The videos would overlap the sidebars making the video look bad. (wish they said that somewhere) Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 It's not related, but it's similar. I have the same issue. I made my post width specifically large enough to contain 640wide video and I upload (for the most part) @ 640x360 or 640x480 and when you auto-crosspost, the thumbnail comes out smaller (480x270 or 480x360) and I have to tweak parameters to get it to my intended size. If you actually go to share and copy paste, you get a box where you can tweak parameters first and then use that to paste to your blog. Still... If someone uses the embed code from what you've posted using the most blogs and web sites option, it's going to be 'small' again, which, to me, makes sense because there's no telling where someone's going to try to embed it, and there's always the fullscreen button if people want to see it larger. -- Bill BillCammack.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview
Thanks for the kind words, Kary! We always love the youtube:myspace as blip:facebook comparison :) In terms of your questions: * The Back To won't appear unless you end up watching another video in the Show Player. The Show Player is capable of showing you the next episode right there in the same page, and you can also click into the Guide and watch some other show without navigating to another Web page. If you do this the Back To button will appear so that you can get your bearings and return to the episode that belongs in the page. * The thumbnails directly to the right of the video are the episodes of the show you're watching. If you're watching an episode of Mahalo Daily, those will be Mahalo Daily thumbs. They're the wrapping episodes -- meaning the episodes directly prior to and directly after the episode you're watching, just like on Flickr. You can navigate through all of the show's episodes in that widget. * The Hand Picked thumbnails are all handpicked by blip staff. The basic idea is that we'll be offering a level of human editorial guidance to users. We've found so far that this is an extremely effective way of keeping people engaged and watching video. So far it seems to be more effective than any other method. When we add these Hand Picked episodes to episode pages we're anticipating a really big boost for the featured episodes. * The Do Something dropdown is designed to be a way to elegantly present the huge number of things you can do with the episode or the show. The default position of the dropdown is Embed with the Show Player. You can also Subscribe with iTunes and Subscribe with Miro, Share with E-mail, et cetera. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kary Rogers Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:31 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview I like it. You've managed to get a lot of information and functionality on a page that is still clean and not overwhelming to the user. Questions I have are: -To the left of the title MD011 - Surf Lesson is what appears to be a link Back To:. If I'm on the episode page, what does it go back to? -The thumbnails to the right of the video are other episodes for Mahalo Daily? -The thumbnails below that are Hand Picked. Does that mean the show owner can choose which videos show up in that box? Or does Hand Picked mean featured by the blip staff? I wouldn't mind a more obvious embed option though I'm curious to see what else is in the drop down boxes under Do Something. I'm looking forward to the release coming out. My thoughts and questions are just based on the screenshot so they could change. As far as the YouTube comparison, maybe he means in basic layout. Comments under video and a sidebar with other videos, etc. I'd say in terms design and ease of use, however, YouTube is to MySpace what blip is to Facebook. -- Kary Rogers http://www.GoodCommitment.tv On Jan 16, 2008 8:49 AM, mikehudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a screenshot of our new episode page, which is coming out soon. Do you like it? Not like it? I have to say I'm a bit puzzled by the comparison to YouTube, but hey... Yours, Mike blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2183887280size=l Can anyone say YouTube? where did you get that screenshot? what URL? jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview
I'm sorry you don't like it Gerry! We're changing it because we think we can make it work much better than it does now. Anything in particular you don't like about the new design? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerry tejeda Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:23 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview I hate it The suggested interface adds no real value to the current interface that Blip is using. Why is Blip focusing on changing what already works?? Gerry T The Gerry T Show Where Dating Mating Come Together http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV http://GerryT.com mikehudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a screenshot of our new episode page, which is coming out soon. Do you like it? Not like it? I have to say I'm a bit puzzled by the comparison to YouTube, but hey... Yours, Mike blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2183887280size=l Can anyone say YouTube? where did you get that screenshot? what URL? jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 The Gerry T Show Where Dating Mating Always Come Together http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV http://GerryT.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview
Hah! Sorry about that. thing is that we want people to watch more video, so, uhhh, I'm not sure if we're going to change this :)) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RANDY MANN Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:38 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview ill tell you what i dont like aubot the show player on the front page, before when it was just a static page it took me just moments to upload my video then you guys had to ad that uber friggen player, now it takes me anywhere form 2 to 30 mins just to get to the upload page. i think i could get better time uploading my video if you take the palyer off the front page becuse i get sucked into watching alot of videos that i ddint even know that was out threre. my time is a presses thing, and watching a bunch of video is so destracting. i hope this helps randy On Jan 16, 2008 4:47 PM, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry you don't like it Gerry! We're changing it because we think we can make it work much better than it does now. Anything in particular you don't like about the new design? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gerry tejeda Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:23 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview I hate it The suggested interface adds no real value to the current interface that Blip is using. Why is Blip focusing on changing what already works?? Gerry T The Gerry T Show Where Dating Mating Come Together http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV http://GerryT.com mikehudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] mike%40blip.tv wrote: This is a screenshot of our new episode page, which is coming out soon. Do you like it? Not like it? I have to say I'm a bit puzzled by the comparison to YouTube, but hey... Yours, Mike blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2183887280size=l Can anyone say YouTube? where did you get that screenshot? what URL? jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 The Gerry T Show Where Dating Mating Always Come Together http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV http://GerryT.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview
Good point about something easy to remember like /upload. We'll see what we can do! :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Sandy Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:53 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New BlipTV show page preview On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:37 PM, RANDY MANN wrote: now it takes me anywhere form 2 to 30 mins just to get to the upload page. hey Randy, you can always go directly to the upload page. it's url is http://blip.tv/file/post/ it will ask you to sign in if needed, but that's the fastest thing you can do no matter what is on the front page it would be nice if this page had an easy to remember alias like blip.tv/upload markus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
Hey Steve, We're going to be updating the Show Player soon to display Creative Commons information directly within the player. We're also about to do a redesign of the show pages. The problem with displaying Creative Commons information on the show pages is that Creative Commons licenses are associated with videos -- not shows. Many of the shows on blip will release most of their videos under one license, and a couple under others. You can get a view of all of the videos uploaded to blip by switching from the Explore view to the Grid view. We're working really hard to balance editorial selection with open grids, and we'd love to hear what you think we should do. The idea here is that we want people to come to blip and see really good stuff... but we also want to make sure that there's tons of opportunity for new shows to bubble up naturally. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:15 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! I noticed it some time in the last few days, now I cant completely remember what the old site look functionality was like to compare it with, but here are my initial thoughtss, as a viewer: Site is too white for me, but all other aspects of the design are nice. I like the ajax stuff on the explore page, but not sure about the relative lack of prominance of non-featured content, seems like I have to jump through a few hoops to browse the full content, but I could be mistaken. I no likey the lack of creative commons etc info on the main page for show, or within the flash player, it seems to really only be on the individual episode pages and pushed down somewhat by the 'get more' section. But as they still do more than most others in regards to creative commons, I dont suppose I can complain too much, although I still long for the day that some license info is added to the flash players of various companies. I like that the learning centre is mentioned linked to now, that stuff is v.good, blip are doing their bit to encourage new people to start creating. But yeah, like I said, I ve sort of forgotten what the site used to be like, so I dont really know if any of the above is new or not, apart from the white, argh the white, it make me no wanna visit blip but thats just my personal colour taste. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I missed something... but blip.tv http://www.blip.tv just went live with an extreme makeover! I haven't explored much yet, but check it out - it looks nice! Nice job, blip! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
The blog tab's been around for a long time... I'm happy that you're noticing it. you can fill it with either an RSS feed or by posting blog entries from the blip dashboard. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:08 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! Cheers, yeah that makes sense, but I was just reading their blog and they said This is Allan's first step in what will be a pretty major iterative redesign of blip to encourage use of our site as a destination site in addition to a distribution platform. Anyway I think there is certainly merit in all 3 approaches; highlighting content, letting people browse, and letting people search. Im just not sure the balance is exactly right yet, but hey, gotta experiment, I wouldnt want them to stand still. Is the 'Blog' tab for shows a new thing or has that been around for ages? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right that it's 'tougher' to get to the random videos posted to blip. Unless they've changed their focus, blip.tv isn't a destination site. It's not a social site, even though it has community aspects. It's a back-end for hosting content that people are going to cross-post to their blogs or web pages or use their actual blip.tv show pages as their show. The reason I mention that is that people don't go to blip to search the random videos like they go to youtube, for instance. I used to do that because I was interested in what people were doing in the space, but that was more of a technical interest than treating blip.tv as a place where the random videos were of any interest to me. I think what's *more* interesting about blip is that they're clearly leaders when it comes to hosting, innovating, updating, paying close attention to the community and hooking up sponsors with featured shows. That's why I don't mind the more business-like look of the new blip page with the reviews and the recent sightings and the featured content on the main page. I think there are enough places for people to go to look for random videos, and too few places for people to go to look for quality shows that have been hand-selected by people that understand the content creation side of the business as well as the advertising/ROI side. The new layout properly represents blip.tv's role in the space at this point. Yes, they're hosting random videos for random people. So is YouTube. They're also doing unique and noteworthy things, and people should be mae aware when they arrive @ blip.tv that this isn't just some other place to drop off videos. -- billcammack http://realfans.tv Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
You can still do this! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brook Hinton Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:53 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! Bill Cammack: people don't go to blip to search the random videos like they go to youtube, for instance. I do. FWIW. And I know many who do. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
Bill, you've hit the nail on the head! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Cammack Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:39 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed it some time in the last few days, now I cant completely remember what the old site look functionality was like to compare it with, but here are my initial thoughtss, as a viewer: Site is too white for me, but all other aspects of the design are nice. I like the ajax stuff on the explore page, but not sure about the relative lack of prominance of non-featured content, seems like I have to jump through a few hoops to browse the full content, but I could be mistaken. You're right that it's 'tougher' to get to the random videos posted to blip. Unless they've changed their focus, blip.tv isn't a destination site. It's not a social site, even though it has community aspects. It's a back-end for hosting content that people are going to cross-post to their blogs or web pages or use their actual blip.tv show pages as their show. The reason I mention that is that people don't go to blip to search the random videos like they go to youtube, for instance. I used to do that because I was interested in what people were doing in the space, but that was more of a technical interest than treating blip.tv as a place where the random videos were of any interest to me. I think what's *more* interesting about blip is that they're clearly leaders when it comes to hosting, innovating, updating, paying close attention to the community and hooking up sponsors with featured shows. That's why I don't mind the more business-like look of the new blip page with the reviews and the recent sightings and the featured content on the main page. I think there are enough places for people to go to look for random videos, and too few places for people to go to look for quality shows that have been hand-selected by people that understand the content creation side of the business as well as the advertising/ROI side. The new layout properly represents blip.tv's role in the space at this point. Yes, they're hosting random videos for random people. So is YouTube. They're also doing unique and noteworthy things, and people should be mae aware when they arrive @ blip.tv that this isn't just some other place to drop off videos. -- billcammack http://realfans.tv I no likey the lack of creative commons etc info on the main page for show, or within the flash player, it seems to really only be on the individual episode pages and pushed down somewhat by the 'get more' section. But as they still do more than most others in regards to creative commons, I dont suppose I can complain too much, although I still long for the day that some license info is added to the flash players of various companies. I like that the learning centre is mentioned linked to now, that stuff is v.good, blip are doing their bit to encourage new people to start creating. But yeah, like I said, I ve sort of forgotten what the site used to be like, so I dont really know if any of the above is new or not, apart from the white, argh the white, it make me no wanna visit blip but thats just my personal colour taste. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Maybe I missed something... but blip.tv http://www.blip.tv just went live with an extreme makeover! I haven't explored much yet, but check it out - it looks nice! Nice job, blip! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
Steve, great point on the grid view. We do have to get better about that. We're doing a really big redesign, and it'll be in phases. Next up in our plan are the show pages and some more tweaks to the homepage and explore page based on the data we've been able to collect on how people use them. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:32 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! Woohoo, the news about creative commons info being available within the player is marvelous, cheers. Yes I see your point about cc info on show pages, I guess it just seemed weird that there was so much other info available on that page, cc seemed conspicuous by its absence, but yeah now youve explained it, it makes complete sense. As for the balance of the featured content vs other ways to browse, I guess my initial thought is to rename the grid view, as its not obvious to a newbie what grid view means, they may not think to click it. Cheers, good to hear from you here, exciting times, the smell of progress etc :) Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve, We're going to be updating the Show Player soon to display Creative Commons information directly within the player. We're also about to do a redesign of the show pages. The problem with displaying Creative Commons information on the show pages is that Creative Commons licenses are associated with videos -- not shows. Many of the shows on blip will release most of their videos under one license, and a couple under others. You can get a view of all of the videos uploaded to blip by switching from the Explore view to the Grid view. We're working really hard to balance editorial selection with open grids, and we'd love to hear what you think we should do. The idea here is that we want people to come to blip and see really good stuff... but we also want to make sure that there's tons of opportunity for new shows to bubble up naturally. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:15 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! I noticed it some time in the last few days, now I cant completely remember what the old site look functionality was like to compare it with, but here are my initial thoughtss, as a viewer: Site is too white for me, but all other aspects of the design are nice. I like the ajax stuff on the explore page, but not sure about the relative lack of prominance of non-featured content, seems like I have to jump through a few hoops to browse the full content, but I could be mistaken. I no likey the lack of creative commons etc info on the main page for show, or within the flash player, it seems to really only be on the individual episode pages and pushed down somewhat by the 'get more' section. But as they still do more than most others in regards to creative commons, I dont suppose I can complain too much, although I still long for the day that some license info is added to the flash players of various companies. I like that the learning centre is mentioned linked to now, that stuff is v.good, blip are doing their bit to encourage new people to start creating. But yeah, like I said, I ve sort of forgotten what the site used to be like, so I dont really know if any of the above is new or not, apart from the white, argh the white, it make me no wanna visit blip but thats just my personal colour taste. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Maybe I missed something... but blip.tv http://www.blip.tv just went live with an extreme makeover! I haven't explored much yet, but check it out - it looks nice! Nice job, blip! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign!
Hey Taylor, You're right that we could do a better job of this. It's on our list, I promise! The problem is that we've been concentrating on things that have a bigger effect on people and help drive viewership and ad dollars... so things like this sometimes sit around for a little while as we work on things like the Show Player. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kunga Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:03 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: blip.tv redesign! What's really infuriating is they still make no provision for changing user names and passwords in the Edit mode of the Distribution section where your Blogs are listed. Google changed everyone's login names from what they were with BlogSpot to a gmail address last year and ever since then, all my attempts to distribute a Blip.TV post to each of several Blogs fails. When you press the Edit button next to each listed Blog, you can change a lot of stuff in there but NOT user name and password isn't even listed. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Myspace/Blip Connection
Hey Paul, The reason for this is a bit complicated, but at the end of the day it all comes down to being able to reliably track viewership and such. If we just uploaded the videos to MySpace Video we wouldn't be able to report on the number of views they receive, and your videos would become subject to MySpace's video TOS, which aren't necessarily as nice as blip's. It's possible that we may begin doing these kinds of uploads in the future, but so far we've found that lots of people find videos on MySpace through bulletins and blog posts. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paulvideoprez Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:46 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Myspace/Blip Connection I have been looking to move video to myspace from their location on blip.tv While they do move, they seem to go into bulletin and/or blog. Not to video. I believe this means they will not be circulated and seen as videos, and lose their visibility there. Am I correct? All and all, this seems unsatisfactory. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] question about blip pro
Heya, When you've got a question like this the best way to get it answered quickly is to e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to e-mail blip-users (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blip-users/). If you'd like, drop me an IM on AOL Instant Messenger (I'm mikehudack) and I can help you out with this. I should be online most of the day today. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amani_c Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:53 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] question about blip pro I'm trying to embed the blip.tv pro player in my vlog but I'm only getting the loading bars. I think I copied the code correctly. Any ideas or suggestions from you other pro users? I just created a new page called myurbanreport tv where the player will should be playing. Peace!! ac www.myurbanreport.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: My pro account has been cancelled from Blip!!!!
Hey guys, Just wanted to mention that Paul e-mailed support and we fixed his pro account right away :) We had a bug which caused him to lose his (free) pro status. He had it back within five minutes of letting us know. For all ya'll, if you have a problem with blip, please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] We watch the videoblogging list but don't always see stuff here right away. If you have a problem you need taken care of right away, support is the way to go! As always, feel free to ring me at 646-827-9773 (my cell phone) too. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Howell Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:59 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: My pro account has been cancelled from Blip Coming in here full throttle does nothing for you except earn you the scorn of others. We can't do anything here to help you with matters concerning your account. Like Jay said, go to the Blip group and complain there. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh blah di blah, Markus, dave and doggy shagger boy. I know that the only way to get through sometimes is to go in there full throttle. I still think Markus is a twat so what the hell, you can't get on with everyone. On 23 Jun 2007, at 17:07, Markus Sandy wrote: Hi For all the newbies here, please note that Paul rants and vents his frustrations like this from time to time. Often, he does not bother to contact the parties directly or look up the facts. I notice there is no discussion about this on the blip.tv mail list. It's sad to see how little Paul knows about the fine folks at blip.tv That being said, rant on Paul. It's been kindaf quiet lately :) I'm mildly curious to see how you end up pissing all over yourself this time. Markus On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Paul Knight wrote: Hey Mike et al, why the hell has my pro account been cancelled, is this a great way of blip making money or what, moving away from the free and easy way of video blogging into a pay for service. this comes at a time when my internet service provider has blocked me from using Dailymotion, my second way of distributing video. Mike Huddack and all at Blip seem to be sick fucks for doing this to me and I want revenge. I hope all on the other side of the Atlantic read this and think very strongly against using Blip.tv as a ways of making videos for viewing on the internet cheaply. I need a show down and I am calling you lot at Blip, out right now!! What the Fuck is going on Do we all need to go to Youtube or Veoh now or what.. Or do you really need to be suck up American Bastards to be on there Yours Angrily and very pissed... Paul Knight -- http://tools.ourmedia.org/blog http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Congrats Blip.tv!
Thanks Mark! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Schoneveld Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:44 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Congrats Blip.tv! Way to go on getting funding! Yay! We love you! Love, Mark* http://cheapdatesphilly.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Spices of Life in Boston Globe
Congratulations!! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:08 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Spices of Life in Boston Globe The video blog I shoot and edit for Nina Simonds, Spices of Life, is featured in the Boston Globe Food section today: Simonds is the life of this video party By Jonathan Levitt, Globe Correspondent | June 13, 2007 SALEM -- For the latest episode of her new video blog, cookbook author Nina Simonds is bouncing around her kitchen throwing together what she calls the best dumplings ever. She's funny and charmingly scatterbrained, with red ballet slippers on her feet, eye glasses perched on her head, and a voice hoarse from talking and talking and talking. Also in the kitchen is Julie Lutts, her tall blonde recipe tester; Ingrid Schwamb, her personal assistant; Maureen Yasi, a shorter blondish recipe tester; and Steve Garfield, the quirky Jamaica Plain- based video blog pioneer who tapes the show. Everyone is laughing, cooking, getting bossed around, and mugging for the camera. It's like they're not really doing anything serious here, which is why Simonds's vlog, spicesof life.com , is becoming a hit. http://tinyurl.com/2xy87w or http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/06/13/ simonds_is_the_life_of_this_video_party/ --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Watch Spices of Life with Nina Simonds: http://spicesoflife.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] keep on blipping
Thanks Jan! By the way, have you checked out our Show Player? http://blip.tv/syndication/showplayer - plays all your videos in sequence from an RSS feed... I think you mentioned wanting something like this a while back :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:23 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] keep on blipping Tossing the confetti cows! Can't think of any company I'd rather see get a boost. Jan On 6/5/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://newteevee.com/2007/06/04/indie-supporter-blip-raises-funding/ this is serious good news for Blip. big up to Mike, Charles, Jared, Justin, and Dina. support the creator supporters. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv http://twitter.com/fauxpress aim=janofsound air=862.221.5280 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] flurl.com
Wow, yeah, this is pretty brutal. The CC license you chose does impact what people can do... it's possible that we may be able to build a relationship with FLURL similar to what we've done with other companies -- having them respect opt-in and opt-out. We'll put them on our list. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lan Bui Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:59 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] flurl.com http://www.flurl.com Found that they are pulling feeds from blip.tv. They are just linking to the blip.tv posts but have half naked girls and ads all over the side bars. I guess our CC license doesn't prevent anyone from linking to our posts... It still bothers me. -Lan www.NoodleScar.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: blip is down
Hey jayme, Apologies for the late reply here. We dealt with this separately on the blip-users group, and should have e-mailed the videoblogging group too (there was a bad DNS entry out there for some people, we tracked it down and fixed it). Anyway, separately, we always redirect videos to mirror sites. It's part of the way that our video serving infrastructure works. If you're having a problem with videos only downloading and not streaming please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- we'd be more than happy to take a look at the problem for you. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jayme Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:45 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: blip is down I wonder what is going on? Last night my videos were re-directed to a mirror site but they could only be downloaded, not streamed (I use WMV and embed them into my vlog). That lasted several hours, now I just get an error page. Ack. Come back. Indeed! It makes me realize how much I rely on blip and appreciate them!!! Jayme raynesworld.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ack. come back. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] A Webby Request: 5 Clever Words
My personal vote: We'd like to thank our users. It's six words, but hey. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dinarebecca Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:03 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] A Webby Request: 5 Clever Words Hi you guys! Wanted to solicit some help for our five-word (or less) acceptance speech at the Webbies. Justin has the best one I've heard so far: Please. Keep. Uploading. Does anyone have any other thoughts/ideas/suggestions? (Also, the tickets are insane this year, so if anyone - by any chance - has an extra ticket we would LOVE to buy that from you and will be forever and ever and ever grateful!) Thanks so much, Dina Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Is Blip DOWN?
Hey guys, Looks like our primary ISP had a routing problem yesterday which cut off access to the site for some people for less than an hour. We're investigating what caused the problem, and we'll be working with them to make sure it doesn't happen again. As always, please feel free to call me anytime if you'd like to discuss: 646-827-9773. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Rhett Aultman Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:16 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Is Blip DOWN? Looks it to me. Their site is timing out and all the material on my blog that loads through them is stalled out. At least when I hosted my own videos, the blog and videos all went down together. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime what timing Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Scaling Blip Show Player...
Hey Ron, Would you mind bringing this up on blip-users or with an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We try to avoid doing straight user support on the videoblogging group. That said, the guide isn't designed to scale but the video absolutely should :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:46 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Scaling Blip Show Player... So I have my blip player set up on one of our sites: http:// pawsitivevybe.com . I set the scale to a size that would fit within the module that it is embedded in, but the video and guide do not scale with the player. What's up with that? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon venue voting now on the wiki
Eric Skiff managed to get a great venue for PodCamp NYC (the New Yorker hotel) and I imagine do it on a budget. I've CC'd him here. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show) Hall Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:53 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon venue voting now on the wiki I have to say that I agree with Jen. I'm very willing to participate, but I'm not willing to put it together, so my vote doesn't really mean a lot, in that I vote to have it where it will happen because someone there will make it happen (I'm hoping that sentence makes some sense to someone). ... Richard On 4/25/07, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what will matter is not the number of people who 'vote' for a city, but the reality of whether / not it will work there // especially regarding who will host and produce the event. My vote is that the people actually doing the work (presumably without getting paid, as was the case with all of the previous vloggercons) get to vote more/ have their wishes count. We in the peanut gallery can demand all we want -- but who is going to make it happen??? That's why it was not in New York last time -- organizers tried for NYC, but could not get a larger enough venue that was affordable. You can decide New York / XX-city all you want, but if there's no place for the budget we have (or people to do the work of planning the event), it ain't gonna happen there. After a long search in NYC, the Vloggercon 06 organizers started looking elsewhere -- and ended up in San Fran at the Swedish American Hall. Plus the people working on the event all started moving to San Fran. And it's easier to plan an event in the town you are living in then somewhere else. Simply 'voting' and making that be some kind of ruling decision is a bit crazy. Maybe the better question is who can plan, host, and do this whole gig?? And what cities do those people live in? // Who lives in DC who can work on this? Who is volunteering in ___ the place you are voting for _? Jen On Apr 25, 2007, at 4:25 pm, Rupert wrote: As if I didn't have better things to do than think up ways to decide a venue for a convention I won't be able to attend, I just found myself going through all the emails about Vloggercon from the last 6 months and noting down everyone's preferences. If you've said that you're For a city, I've put your name under that city, added up the totals and put it up on a page on the Videoblogging Group Wiki. It's a slightly more web 2.0 way of managing the voting than doing it by Email here, I guess. So if that's OK, you're now all responsible for checking it, adding or deleting your names and amending the totals. I say we give it a week to decide - whichever city has the most votes by Fri 4 May wins. Whaddya reckon? Go to: http://videoblogginggroup.pbwiki.com/Vloggercon-2007-Voting You can vote for as many cities as you want. Just click edit page and use the password: surge. Since I quickly compiled this from all the emails with subject Vloggercon on the Yahoo list over the last six months, noting down all preferences expressed, I'm sure there will be mistakes - don't shout, just change. If you think it's a crap idea, fair enough, just say so here. Right, now I'm going to go and get a life. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Richard http://richardhhall.org Shows http://richardshow.org http://inspiredhealing.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Making money from video ads
Hey Mark, Drop me a line privately. We're using BrightRoll as our default advertiser in the blend for Flash video right now (interspersed with some other companies) but we're adding a new company into the mix in three or four weeks that may be a huge improvement over BrightRoll, especially for travel videos. We can explain more off-list. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of caminofilm Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:00 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Making money from video ads Hi I currently have my travel vids on blip.tv, they use brightroll ads at the end. I have noticed these ads are not very targetted towards my video content.So I'm thinking maybe I would be better trying to sign up my own advertisers in the locations I have visited Is anyone doing this? What programs are they using to place their ads (brightroll, doubleclick)? The other thing with placing my own ads in my vids is, that I can be making revenue, where ever I post them youtube, travelistic.com, lonelyplanet.tv Be interested in hearing from anyone making any revenue from video ads regards Mark Shea www.overlander.tv Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Apple TV and iPod clash
Hey Waz,
I'm afraid the secret sauce includes a dozen pages of signed legal
documents and some custom code :) not sure what kind of file size we're
talking...
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wazman_au
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:29 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Apple TV and iPod clash
Mike,
Great. How about sharing the secret with those of us who'd like to
encode the vids ourselves???
What sort of file size are we talking? Let's talk megabytes per minute
at 640x480.
Waz
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Waz,
Blip pro account holders soon won't have to worry about this :) We're
hoping to have transcoding to an Apple TV + iPod compatible format
available for pro users in our next release (about two weeks away).
Yours,
Mike
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wazman_au
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:30 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Apple TV and iPod clash
Stupid bloody Apple, why do they DO things like this
Folks, this is a tough one, and yes, I've read through the
Casey-initiated thread. Good start
but sadly optimistic.
The question is, how do we pump out vids that are 640x480 and have the
baseline low-
complexity profile, thus being both iPod and (presumably) Apple TV
compatible?
Baseline can be selected when exporting with your own settings, but
the
low-complexity
sub-option cannot. According to Apple's developer spec, low-complexity
has been defined
by Apple for the iPod, and it seems to be restricted to the Export for
iPod option, which
cannot be configured.
When exporting an iPod video, QuickTime chooses automatically whether
to
use baseline
or baseline low-complexity - in a nutshell, anything upwards of
320x240 gets low-
complexity. Gory details here:
http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2007/tn2188.html
Three possible workarounds. I am not in front of QTPro right now so
will
try later:
1) Use the Export for iPod option with the source vid sized at 640x480
-
this will goad
QTPro into using low-complexity - and then find some way of saving the
resulting video
_again_ with a chopped-down bitrate, perhaps by doing a Save as ...
but without re-
encoding.
2) Do it the other way round - export at the bitrate etc. that you
want,
then run it through
the iPod export. The developer spec suggests QT iPod exporter using a
640x480 source
file will pick its own bitrate according to a complex formula (DR = {
(nMC * 8 ) / 3 } - 100
I kid you not, check out the developer link above) between 700 and
1500kbps. But maybe
if the source file is already lower, it won't jump up the bitrate too
shockingly. The MC in
the equation stands for macroblock and if the number of these can be
reduced in the
source file (how? Dunno) then, doing the maths, you are headed for a
smaller result.
3) Resize your source video to 640x480, whack it through Export for
iPod
and hope the
filesize is not too bloated. As in the formula above, this should
produce something
between 700kbps and 1500kbps, although Apple doesn't say whether the
audio is
included in that bitrate (AAARGH!).
I found to my horror this afternoon that my carefully crafted 640x480
recipe with
meticulously pared down video and sound bitrates that delivered a file
of 5MB/minute that
looks alright on the telly via laptop S-Video cable doesn't work on
the
iPod.
I am just about ready to tell Apple where to shove their TV box ...
and
all of the above still
leaves the question unanswered: will the aforementioned oblong
suppository PLAY H.264
BASELINE LOW-COMPLEXITY???
Anyone got one of these boxes?
That's all for now. I know none of the above is tested but I thought
I'd
post now while my
blood is up, and to give others the chance to look for a solution.
Waz from Crash Test Kitchen
http://www.crashtestkitchen.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Apple TV and iPod clash
Waz,
Blip pro account holders soon won't have to worry about this :) We're
hoping to have transcoding to an Apple TV + iPod compatible format
available for pro users in our next release (about two weeks away).
Yours,
Mike
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wazman_au
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:30 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Apple TV and iPod clash
Stupid bloody Apple, why do they DO things like this
Folks, this is a tough one, and yes, I've read through the
Casey-initiated thread. Good start
but sadly optimistic.
The question is, how do we pump out vids that are 640x480 and have the
baseline low-
complexity profile, thus being both iPod and (presumably) Apple TV
compatible?
Baseline can be selected when exporting with your own settings, but the
low-complexity
sub-option cannot. According to Apple's developer spec, low-complexity
has been defined
by Apple for the iPod, and it seems to be restricted to the Export for
iPod option, which
cannot be configured.
When exporting an iPod video, QuickTime chooses automatically whether to
use baseline
or baseline low-complexity - in a nutshell, anything upwards of
320x240 gets low-
complexity. Gory details here:
http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2007/tn2188.html
Three possible workarounds. I am not in front of QTPro right now so will
try later:
1) Use the Export for iPod option with the source vid sized at 640x480 -
this will goad
QTPro into using low-complexity - and then find some way of saving the
resulting video
_again_ with a chopped-down bitrate, perhaps by doing a Save as ...
but without re-
encoding.
2) Do it the other way round - export at the bitrate etc. that you want,
then run it through
the iPod export. The developer spec suggests QT iPod exporter using a
640x480 source
file will pick its own bitrate according to a complex formula (DR = {
(nMC * 8 ) / 3 } - 100
I kid you not, check out the developer link above) between 700 and
1500kbps. But maybe
if the source file is already lower, it won't jump up the bitrate too
shockingly. The MC in
the equation stands for macroblock and if the number of these can be
reduced in the
source file (how? Dunno) then, doing the maths, you are headed for a
smaller result.
3) Resize your source video to 640x480, whack it through Export for iPod
and hope the
filesize is not too bloated. As in the formula above, this should
produce something
between 700kbps and 1500kbps, although Apple doesn't say whether the
audio is
included in that bitrate (AAARGH!).
I found to my horror this afternoon that my carefully crafted 640x480
recipe with
meticulously pared down video and sound bitrates that delivered a file
of 5MB/minute that
looks alright on the telly via laptop S-Video cable doesn't work on the
iPod.
I am just about ready to tell Apple where to shove their TV box ... and
all of the above still
leaves the question unanswered: will the aforementioned oblong
suppository PLAY H.264
BASELINE LOW-COMPLEXITY???
Anyone got one of these boxes?
That's all for now. I know none of the above is tested but I thought I'd
post now while my
blood is up, and to give others the chance to look for a solution.
Waz from Crash Test Kitchen
http://www.crashtestkitchen.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] mono sound in Blip.tv
Marco, It's for efficiency reasons. If you'd like to have stereo sound in your Flash video you can upload your own flv files to blip (click Add Alternate Format on the upload form). Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Raaphorst Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:16 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] mono sound in Blip.tv Does anyone know why all Blip.tv video's using Flash (flv) are converted to mono? The mp4-versions are untouched but the flv-files are always converted. Thanks in advance for comments! Regards, Marco Raaphorst Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Andy, I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per show. Yours, Mike Blip.tv -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andydragt Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:30 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Can I just ask a clarifying question... It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. Otherwise it's pretty much useless. Heres the question: Is this two weeks comment about a solution to this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites? Am I right in understanding the best practice has been to have only one account and cross-post to different blogs? thanks all, Andy Dragt www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Ah, yes, multiple playlists. They're on the list. The Show Player is already capable of accommodating up to half a dozen playlists, we just have to build the interface to allow people to configure them. They're coming :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackson West Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:12 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Rad. I agree with Sull -- been waitin' for multiple playlists. :) JW On 4/19/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think
RE: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player
Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one. There wasn't any easy way to post video to the web. Once I figured out that I could put video in a blog post, I got a very easy way to publish videos, along with the added benefits of that video being included in a blog post. But that method, over time, introduced the problems of old videos getting lost in archives, and not having an easy way to browse through videos. There are a lot of companies now bringing to the market ways to make it easy to surf videos and I'm glad that blip.tv has given me a way to allow people to browse my archives that are hosted with blip.tv. --Steve On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] iTunes trouble and BlipTV feed
Hey Neil, Please feel free to give me a ring: 646-827-9773. I believe that I remember the support mail you're talking about, and we found and fixed the bug. If that's not the case, please drop a new e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or give me a ring. We're eager to fix your problem and make sure that you deliver videos to your iTunes viewers reliably! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:31 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] iTunes trouble and BlipTV feed How about a link to your web site, feed, or video that you are having problems with. On 3/26/07, furnitology [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'm at a loss. Since last Thursday(3/22)my feed from BlipTV is not being read by iTunes and I can't seem to get a solution. I've done all the trouble shooting at itunes, feed for previous episodes all work. I resubscribed with iTunes advanced drop down-menu and all previous episodes download. I pinged my site an get a message that ping successful. I went to FeedValidator and compared a working episode with my most recent and they do not compare well. Seems information is missing. I have contaced Bliip support and I am told they noticed tag lines missing in feed. It's been siince early yesterday and have heard nothing from blip support. Very frustrating as iTunes is 48% of my viership. Honestly I'm frustrated and BUMMING!!! Help with suggestions would be greatly apprecaitedI've pretty much run the course of my knowledge base. Next would be tp produce a short video and try to download and see what happens, but then that meesses up my other aggrigator feeds which work fine. THanks..Neil Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] congrats to blip - one to watch
I'll never forget that train ride, Randy :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RANDY MANN Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:32 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] congrats to blip - one to watch ive been watching them for years now ever since that fate full train ride On 14 Mar 2007 17:09:58 -0700, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats to everyone at blip.tv for being named one of the 100 IP communications companies to watch in 2007 by Pulver! http://pulver.com/pulver100/ http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006604.html - Jen _ Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jensimmons.com http://milkweedmediadesign.com 267-235-6967 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Blip.tv cross-post to Blogger blog...Blogger issue?
Hey guys, We're working on this right now. Charles is at the Hilton Austin on the wifi debugging and fixing as we speak. Hi from SXSW! Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:07 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blip.tv cross-post to Blogger blog...Blogger issue? Jan McLaughlin Are you in the old format or the new Blogger? If you've changed to the new Blogger, you need to re-do your credentials at Blip. My Blogger blog is under the new Blogger (an older Blogger account, that was upgraded to the Google signin). By credentials you mean Blip.tv's Distribution/External Blogs? Do you select Blogger Beta (what I do) or Blogger? Like someone else mentioned, I'm getting hung up on the above..it won't come back with a list of blogs. Jan On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a fan of Blip.tv, using it with great success, it's terrific. I recently have been playing with Blip.tv's mobile-upload, with cross-posting to Blogger blog: http://07baja250.blogspot.com/ 4 hrs ago, I was mobile-blogging videos to Blip.tv, which get cross-posted to above blog. All of a sudden it quit working!! I can't get Blip.tv to see any Blogger blogs, is this an issue with Blogger? Blogger recently was trying out a Beta, it's now online. I've heard of some issues w/Blogger, I need some feedback from this group. Thanks for any help/advice. Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Blip.tv cross-post to Blogger blog...Blogger issue?
Hey guys, Should be all fixed now. Give us a shout if you have any remaining issues! Hope to see a whole bunch of you in Austin! Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hudack Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:07 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Blip.tv cross-post to Blogger blog...Blogger issue? Hey guys, We're working on this right now. Charles is at the Hilton Austin on the wifi debugging and fixing as we speak. Hi from SXSW! Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:07 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blip.tv cross-post to Blogger blog...Blogger issue? Jan McLaughlin Are you in the old format or the new Blogger? If you've changed to the new Blogger, you need to re-do your credentials at Blip. My Blogger blog is under the new Blogger (an older Blogger account, that was upgraded to the Google signin). By credentials you mean Blip.tv's Distribution/External Blogs? Do you select Blogger Beta (what I do) or Blogger? Like someone else mentioned, I'm getting hung up on the above..it won't come back with a list of blogs. Jan On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a fan of Blip.tv, using it with great success, it's terrific. I recently have been playing with Blip.tv's mobile-upload, with cross-posting to Blogger blog: http://07baja250.blogspot.com/ 4 hrs ago, I was mobile-blogging videos to Blip.tv, which get cross-posted to above blog. All of a sudden it quit working!! I can't get Blip.tv to see any Blogger blogs, is this an issue with Blogger? Blogger recently was trying out a Beta, it's now online. I've heard of some issues w/Blogger, I need some feedback from this group. Thanks for any help/advice. Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Blip / Alive in Baghdad / Josh Leo in the news
What's really nice is that the new viewers driven by CNN, Walt and the BBC are sticking around. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of T Shey Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:08 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blip / Alive in Baghdad / Josh Leo in the news That's so cool, Mike, congrats! It makes so much sense for advertisers to get involved with and support those shows; they can reach audiences on a much more personal level, as many people on this list have shown. If Walt likes watching videoblogs, and found it easy to find some favorites on Blip.tv, the big audiences can't be far behind. On 3/6/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will tell you that the Mossberg article led to a ton of e-mails from media buyers, unsolicited phone calls from recruiters and some of the biggest traffic days that blip.tv has ever seen. Our ad sales pipeline doubled. We're super proud of the article. Walt highlighted some of his favorite shows and some of ours (GNB, AIB, Josh...), validated videoblogging and called blip.tv his favorite. Wh! We spent months talking to Walt and working on this story. We couldn't be happier! By the way, if you get a chance, definitely watch Walt's video that accompanied his column. You can find it at the bottom of http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html until Thursday morning. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:11 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blip / Alive in Baghdad / Josh Leo in the news I'm interested, how much email did the people in the article actually get. How many web pages views compared to a normal day...? On Mar 6, 2007, at 8:40 AM, T Shey wrote: Wow, had no one linked this yet? It was none other than Walt Mossberg -- him writing about videoblogging is a Big Deal. Capitalized. Congrats to everyone he mentioned, whom I imagine have all gotten a bunch of email. Lots of people read Mossberg. Original link: http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20070301.html -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- --- Tim Shey http://nextnewnetworks.com/ http://shey.net/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Blip / Alive in Baghdad / Josh Leo in the news
I will tell you that the Mossberg article led to a ton of e-mails from media buyers, unsolicited phone calls from recruiters and some of the biggest traffic days that blip.tv has ever seen. Our ad sales pipeline doubled. We're super proud of the article. Walt highlighted some of his favorite shows and some of ours (GNB, AIB, Josh...), validated videoblogging and called blip.tv his favorite. Wh! We spent months talking to Walt and working on this story. We couldn't be happier! By the way, if you get a chance, definitely watch Walt's video that accompanied his column. You can find it at the bottom of http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html until Thursday morning. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:11 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blip / Alive in Baghdad / Josh Leo in the news I'm interested, how much email did the people in the article actually get. How many web pages views compared to a normal day...? On Mar 6, 2007, at 8:40 AM, T Shey wrote: Wow, had no one linked this yet? It was none other than Walt Mossberg -- him writing about videoblogging is a Big Deal. Capitalized. Congrats to everyone he mentioned, whom I imagine have all gotten a bunch of email. Lots of people read Mossberg. Original link: http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20070301.html -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] SXSW Roll Call
Mike Hudack 8th-14th -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:02 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] SXSW Roll Call Tim Street 8th-13th Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: JV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06 Mar 2007 10:02:44 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] SXSW Roll Call Who is there when? I'll start - Jim V - 9-13th Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Freshtopia
Oscar is most definitely in my thoughts, and those of everyone here at blip, and I'm sure absolutely everyone on this list. I've only had a couple opportunities to meet Oscar but I've found him to be a fantastic, dynamic, absolutely endearing guy. For whatever good it may do, I'm sending positive thoughts his way -- and I hope everyone else will too. My mother tells me such things actually work! It's been proven! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxanne Darling Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 1:04 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Freshtopia Thank you for letting us know this Jay. We are sending lots of aloha and pink light to Oscar and family, and I will ask Lexi to add some of her helping magic too. Rox On 3/2/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case you hadn't heard Oscar from Freshtopia is in the hospital: http://freshtopia.net/vlog/?p=109 Starting last Thursday, Feb 22nd, Freshtopia has had to take an unexpected hiatus. Our esteemed and amazing Co-Creator and Director, Oscar Grimm, was suddenly hospitalized. A mass was found in his brain and it has now been diagnosed as cancer. He was operated on today and everything is looking positive. We hope that you will all keep him in your thoughts over the next few weeks as he starts chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Also feel free to send messages wishing him the best. . .we'll be sure to pass it along. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Two Joost Invites
Yeah, seriously. I have three sitting in my account that I can't give away either. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Straughan Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 1:55 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Two Joost Invites No one wants mine, apparently. Interesting. So much for Joost being the hot property. On 3/3/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 as well. offlist email etc... On 3/2/07, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]deirdre.straughan%40gmail.com wrote: I'm holding one for a certain Dave who asked me first months ago, in case he still needs it. One more goes to the first person to leave an intelligent comment on my site http://www.beginningwithi.com/comments/ On 3/2/07, Kary Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] kr%40kmrogers.netkr%40kmrogers.net wrote: They is no mo'. -- Kary Rogers http://goodcommitment.tv On Mar 1, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Kary Rogers wrote: I signed up for the beta program a while back but I run neither Windows nor an Intel Mac. At any rate, I have two Joost invites. In you are interested, email me off list with your name and the email address where you'd like the invite sent. First two replies, off list, gets 'em. I will post again when they are gone. Remaining Joostless, -- Kary Rogers http://goodcommitment.tv -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
NYC! NYC! NYC! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sinton Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:16 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) NYC is fine with me. I know Peter was involved in the last vloggercon, and I will continue this and voluteer my services in any way that is helpful. -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok i will go along with the nyc thing as long as i can be the sound guy again On 2/22/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Schlomo's blessing, it's pretty much a done deal! Blip.tv would totally help organize it. Why Vloggercon 2007? Because the last one was one of the greatest weekends of my life. We have months to work out the actual agenda. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 14:45 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) What are people thinking they'd like do at another vloggercon aside from meet and hang out (which is a given!)? What developments in the last 9 months do you want to see addressed? What wasn't addressed last time that should have been? Basically I'm trying to steer the conversation from when and where to why. - Verdi On 2/22/07, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schlomo% 40gmail.com wrote: I can be, yes. And between you and the multitudes of New Yawkers, I think something beautiful can happen. Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://webshots.com/is/spotlight http://hatfactory.net http://evilvlog.com On 2/22/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] robyn%40sleepyblogger.com robyn%40sleepyblogger.com wrote: Schlomo, will you be a planner this year again? I'll be glad to lend a hand to whoever is organizing it. I'm on the east coast. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of schlomo rabinowitz Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:11 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) I'm into having it in NYC. I've been offered a couple spaces for the event as well. Schlomo http://schlomolog. http://schlomolog.blogspot.com blogspot.com http://webshots. http://webshots.com/is/spotlight com/is/spotlight http://hatfactory. http://hatfactory.net net http://evilvlog. http://evilvlog.com com On 2/22/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:enric% enric%25 enric%2540cirne.com com wrote: If Vloggercon is on the East Coast, who would be the organizers? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Robyn Tippins robyn@ wrote: I'll amen NY because it's cheap to fly into from almost anywhere. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hope Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) No, it was never in Ohio, but such suggestion was floated a few months ago. Our European friends would prefer easier access, and since our community sort of stretches between the West Coast and Europe, New York City is in the middle, and that is where I am rooting for! Can I get an Amen? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
I'd be happy to do the same as last year, although with a much larger list given that the space has grown so much. I've got a few agenda points and I'm sure that the community as a whole does to. Top of my list is standards around advertising, but we've also got all the old chestnuts about interoperability, the shortcomings of MediaRSS, adoption of MediaRSS, and on and on. The real question is one of size: last year's Vertigo meeting was just too large and too short to get things really done. We shouldn't shrink it, but we should go longer and split people into working groups. Maybe 2-3 days at NYU ITP? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of schlomo rabinowitz Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:57 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) Putting together a Video Vertigo Summit is in my top 3 reasons on my wanting to make another one. And it will be longer summit, that I vow!... of course, it could just be you and I sitting in a room together for days, but I can think of worse things to do. On 2/22/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 22.02.2007 kl. 22:10 skrev Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree that it should be much easier to have it be much less yahoo-group centric which should make it pretty interesting. I mostly want a reason to go to the US. In my own selfish world - and that's all that matters on the internet - I'd like to see less making money, more creation. And I don't care for red carpets, but I do care for group hugs and hyperbole. I would also like to see these Youtubers I keep hearing about, possibly study them in their natural habitat. I also would like to point out that it doesn't have to be named Vloggercon. PS. The video vertigo summit last year was very valuable. Tacking on such a thing again would be a Good Thing in my book. Preferably a full day instead of four-five hurried hours. Possibly in a setting where mock-ups and wireframes can be made. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: SXSW
I'll be there along with Charles from blip... and not to speak out of school, but I think Rudy Casey from Galacticast will be there, Bre Pettis will be there, Phil Torrone (MAKE), Jay Ryanne, and a whole bunch of other folks who will grace us with their aweesomeness. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:44 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: SXSW Kent and Douglas from Ask A Ninja will be there. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael created a SXSW page for videobloggers on node101: http://node101.org/community/index.php/SXSW06 You get an error when you save the page but it will work. Who else in the vlogosphere is coming? Who knows Austin? Where are the hot dining/drinking spots? jd lasica On 3/6/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set this up: http://node101.org/community/index.php/SXSW06 You get an error when you save the page but it will work. -Michael On 3/6/06, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, http://upcoming.org/event/61589/ On 3/5/06, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we get to Austin, wouldn't it be a good idea if we create a page where we can put our contact info, availability and an easily accessible page to see where we're going to get together? I'd sure rather do that than scrolling thru hundreds of emails I get each day to identify an email from a fellow SXSWer. So: Can we create a page, on node101 or a wiki or Ourmedia or on someone's personal site, where we can post: Name Dates in Austin Contact info Availability Venue ideas I'll start: JD Lasica Sun March 13 to Thursday March 17 Cell: 858-353-1865; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Available: Mon, Tue, Wed dinner/ cocktails Venue: I'll defer to Michael and others. jd On 3/5/06, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i think we should get together in austin, that sounds like a good idea. On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all sorry I've been quiet but I'm in Vegas right now finishing up a shoot and heading back home this evening. I'm catching up on these emails, but I'm in agreement with all in this thread. Thanks for keeping it moving!! Maybe we should get together in sxsw for a little face-to-face? I'll be there for the whole time. schlomo I can do a PDF this weekend. I was planning on doing two versions, one for the $2,500-$5,000 levels and one for $500-$1,000. I don't really want the Intels and Proctor Gambles to worry about the lower end of the tier. Those teetering between $1,000 and $2,500 could get both flyers (one page each). jd On 3/1/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'I'll review the list again for components. We will need a PDF version of this too perhaps? Got word back from Creative today. Looks like we will be talking in the next week or so. They are interested in pushing the zen players and video cams.. On 3/1/06, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Does the lack of silence on the sponsorship page on the wiki mean that everyone agrees with the components of each tier now? http://www.vloggercon.com/private/index.php?title=Sponsorship_tiers If so, then the only thing we need to finalize are the names of each tier. I agree with Ted on the final descriptions: Go big for $500 and be a Megabyte Sponsor For $1,000 you can be a massive Gigabyte Sponsor At $2,500 you can be an enormous Terabyte Sponsor and for only $5,000 you can be our unspeakably huge Petabyte Sponsor And when we need shorthand (like in the category headings on the website, of course), we shorten them to: Megabyte Gigabyte Terabyte Petabyte Thoughts? Anything else to work out at this point, or can we begin haranguing potential sponsors? :~) jd -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - Account Closed?!
So, so true. Very well said. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Meiser Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:54 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - Account Closed?! On 2/13/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right that's exactly the problem. We talk a lot about rights and such, but all of that is built on these crappy TOS agreements. Even if you own your own site, you're still at the mercy of the ISPs up the chain of command. Your speech is only as free as it's convenient to corporate structure that hosts it. Web 1.0 was more about setting up a static site, staking your little claim on the net and building traffic, etc. Web 2.0 changes the equation because the people are the value. YouTube is based on a $20 shareware script, the value came from the people there. Same with MySpace. But the legal structures and way of thinking have not caught up to this change. There's a million little fiefdoms. And your rights are different each site you go to. I like that you use the word fiefdom. I actually think we're in the digital dark age, just as Brewster Mckale of archive.org said. Litterally what's going on here is we have a huge open cyberspace with not enough roads and some very scary space inbetween a bunch of closed castles like youtube and 300 other social networking sites. What we need is a tremendous amount of infrastructure to ensure mobility, communication, and security for those that would stake out a home and start a farm in open cyberspace. In short the roads must come to your front door. Meanwhile we have the high priests of the old media religion waging a freaking crusade against new ideas and the new digital culture with their damn witch hunts and inqusitions for anyone who dares share their media online. P2P is the devil to modern day religion of media oligopy. Ramble, ramble. BTW, We've been hitting these issues of interoperability pretty hard lately on the mefeedia blog. http://mefeedia.com/blog/ It really is your friends and your media, so why should it also be your network? Who the f*ck needs youtube anyway? -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com What I'd love to see is a set of principles that govern this new user generated reality that gives we the users basic rights wherever we go. That's a huge shift from where we are right now, and it will take a lot of work to get there. But I'm afraid if we don't tackle this area, the door for new voices that has been opened a crack will get slammed shut by the media monopolies. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not looking to put anybody off this sort of action, but I think the arbitrary acceptable use policy stuff is an internet-wide problem. To cover themselves, just about every hosting service Ive ever seen has terms and conditions about what content is acceptable, and many of the terms are vague. People certainly should draw attention to services which are trigger-happy about removing stuff without good cause. Youtube are likely to show up as an offender a lot because of their sheer size, and as I sepculated earlier, they may be trying to save themselves from copyright lawsuits, but doing it in a way that also removes some legitimate content, and this is not good or nice to their users for them to be so careless. I know Richard Bluestein called for a boycott on youtube because he was banned and though it was due to being gay or hosting gay content, whereas after some research I thought it was more likely because some trailers he uploaded had lots of naked breasts, and western society doesnt mind exploiting breasts for profit but the mainstream has a nipple phobia. So anyway theoretically most services are flawed in the sense that almost anybody could find their content falling foul of the terms conditions, even if their content is innocent enough, and as far as I know the services dont even have an obligation to contact people who are banned and explian exactly why. I think legal issues will stop terms conditions from changing that much, so the best we can hope for is that in practice many services are careful, think of their users, engage in dialogue and careful checking of material before hitting the big red delete button. Whatever the reasons behind youtubes removal of the content in this case, its certainly sloppy and shows no sense of responsibility to users who upload legitimate videos. As for the grey area where content might actually be deemed offensive or innapropriate, offends certain people, causes a stink and gets banned, I guess those involved in any way with sex or porn side of video have experience of this sort of thing. Even companies that appear to have enlightened attitude towards such things, may change policy at any
RE: [videoblogging] Re: DIY Ads
Steve, We're working on a new version of our player that will include Creative Commons metadata display along with lots of other fun stuff :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: DIY Ads Cool. I think there is huge potential for all sorts of different types of 'video creation online' services, whether it be advert creation, license info, credits, other branding, or customizing other elements of the video player. Not wishing to distract from the very useful sounding advert creation feature, I call again for creative commons stuff to become a part of the blip flash player in some way, or something just like the advert generator but that adds creative commons info to the end of your video if you ask it to. Im really interested in what innovations the different services will find to incorporate into their platforms, vsocials player seems to have a lot of gubbins these days but I havent actually checked to see how useful any of it is. I wonder int he future just how much web-like clicking etc functionality will be added to videos. We used to talk about how to do it for quicktime, obviously flash is dominant now, so that gives plent yof possibilities onthe desktop. Theres no sign of the hoped for interactivity blog-like features in some common mobile video standard, eg for ipod, psp, etc, being adopted yet, so not much progress on that front. Lately Ive been wondering how much things will evolve in the other direction - eg whether much of the web in general will become a more video-like experience. I dont know if I can make sense here, I dunno, what do I mean? More animation, more smoothly flowing information, services that turn plain text content into delightfully rich animations and interactive video type experiences. Where does this take me, back to the days of discussions about whether a true videoblog would be a video that has all of the other elements of blogging built into the video itself? And am I overlooking the whole multimedia cdrom flash website awfulness style over function horrors of the not too distant past? Next I will be talking about wanting to watch everyones vlogs in 3D, learning nothing from the horrors and iffeficiencies of virtual reality, but unable to avoid drooling at the possibilities, no matter how flawed an experience it actually is. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fantastic! :D -- Bill C. http://ems.blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, pettisb pettisb@ wrote: Hey Folks, I'm kinda quiet on this list, for those that don't know me, I do the Make: magazine podcast. I make something every week and make a video that teaches you how to make it too. Lately I've been into breaking things. I've made trebuchets and just finished a giant crossbow for an egg drop/slam I'm having in Seattle tomorrow. My buddy Phil, my coworker at Make, and I, have been wanting to put our own ads on the end of our videos and we went to Blip to make it happen. Today you can see diy ads at the end of my podcasts. The idea is that in the blip dashboard, I'll be able to choose a picture, write some text, choose a button, and insert a url and then at the end of the vid, my own ad will come up. You'll be able to do it yourself soon. I'll be using it at Make: to have ads that send people off to get kits for the project in the video and to sell Maker Faire tickets and subs for the magazine, but you'll be able to put whatever ads you want in there. So you'll be able to put together a t-shirt and have the link go to cafepress or you can have a dvd and have the link go off to lulu. If you make things, you could show them on video and have the link go off to your etsy.com or ebay page. You get the idea. It's advertizing in your hands. Ok, enough of me talking about it. Here are some links to learn more. Here's the Make: blog post about it. - http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/02/doityourself_ad.html Here's the blip.tv blogpost. - http://blog.blip.tv/blog/2007/02/12/introducing-do-it-yourself-advertisi ng/ Bre Pettis Make: Video http://makezine.com/podcast Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server
Hey Tony, advertising on blip.tv is totally opt-in, and you can easily disable all our sharing options. Yours, Mike Blip.tv - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed Feb 07 12:39:46 2007 Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server Thanks guys but I'm looking for a server that isn't going to share my videos or negotiate with advertisers on my behalf. T --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blip.tv never missed a beat when one of my videos got dugg. -Verdi On 2/7/07, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are the best and most awesome video host out there! On 2/7/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] taoofdavid%40gmail.com wrote: Blip.tv In my opinion, they are the best you will find. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, toekneearm cottager@ wrote: Hey. Is anyone using a separate server for their videos? Something that can handle spikes in downloads/streaming? I want to avoid the expense of a dedicated server. I need to host all formats. Thanks! Tony -- http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server
You can do this. In the future we may charge a fee for hosting videos that carry advertising that we didn't broker. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed Feb 07 13:52:21 2007 Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server are there any problems with hosting on Blip, but brokering one's ad deals separately? -M mark raheja www.thememeingoflife.com markraheja [at] gmail [dot] com 416.451.3640 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server
I think I'd rather not continue discussing this, since it cuts a bit close to some strategy we'd like to keep close to the vest at the moment. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Kinberg Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:58 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server Hey Mike, How would you determine if a video includes an advertisement in this scenario? -josh On 2/7/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can do this. In the future we may charge a fee for hosting videos that carry advertising that we didn't broker. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed Feb 07 13:52:21 2007 Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video Server are there any problems with hosting on Blip, but brokering one's ad deals separately? -M mark raheja www.thememeingoflife.com markraheja [at] gmail [dot] com 416.451.3640 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Links back on MySpace
Fantastic! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayden Black Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:39 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Links back on MySpace I just spoke to someone over at MySpace who tells me they are returning the ability to post links from Blip, Revver, et al. Huzzah! Hayden http://www.goodnightburbank.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] New voice message from Jan McLaughlin - Lavaliere Mics for Sale
This is so much cooler than the legacy voice capability of our mobile computing platforms. I mean, with a few clicks of the mouse and keyboard you can actually send your VOICE to someone across the country! Sweet! I can only just imagine the next generation of this product. It will be totally revolutionary. I believe it will allow geographically seperated people to TALK TO EACH OTHER with only a small machine-required pause between people (we can say something like over to ensure we don't step on each others feet). Eventually we may even be able to erase that gap and speak as if we were right next to each other! The world will never be the same. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: Videoblogging Group videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri Feb 02 08:22:53 2007 Subject: [videoblogging] New voice message from Jan McLaughlin - Lavaliere Mics for Sale Hi Videoblogging, I just sent you a voice message using Pinger, a mobile phone service that lets me send voice messages directly to someone's mobile phone. If you sign up, you can receive these messages (and send your own!) using your mobile. Click on the link below to hear my message on your computer (you might check your speaker volume first). If you want to forward it, use the FORWARD button in your Pinger inbox. from: Jan McLaughlin date: 5:22am Feb-02 dur: 1:39s notes: Lavaliere Mics for Sale http://www.pinger.com/inbox.php?_=f6a4c5b55276f9b09016cde13266da233df3274fm=174646u=30771 -Jan TIP: Already a member, but didn’t get the text notification on your phone for this message? This may have been sent to an email address not yet registered with Pinger. Paste the link below into your internet web browser to find out more about adding this email address to your primary Pinger account. http://pinger.helpserve.com/#merge_accounts NOTE: This Pinger message was sent to you by Jan McLaughlin. To get off Jan’s contact list, please email Jan directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or just copy and paste the link below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pinger Inc. 97 South 2nd Street, Suite 210 San Jose, CA 95113 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] large companies that are sponsoring user-gen
Has Apple sponsored a podcast? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robyn Tippins Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:35 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] large companies that are sponsoring user-gen I'm speaking on user-gen and I need to know some large companies (especially older brands) that are sponsoring podcasts/videoblogs. I have a list of a handful now (Dove, Apple, Intel, Microsoft, IBM, BMW, etc), but I know there are way more, right? Who else is there? Robyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Is Creative Commons just bullshit?
This exists at http://search.creativecommons.org/ -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay dedman Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:25 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Is Creative Commons just bullshit? Please Im begging someone to respond to my point about creative commons material needing to be available for download redistribution in order to stay true to the cc license. steve...can you be more clear with what you mean? you want a CC search engine for CC media? Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
-Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay dedman Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:56 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences I don't think the issue is advertising. If it was there wouldn't be an issue since ads with video is now fairly commoditized technology. I think the bigger issue is credit and respect for the terms of the cc license itself, which can put restrictions on commercial use and require proper attribution. In terms of videoronk my concern is that credit is given to blip but not to the content creator. mike, tech question: in Blip's feed...does it show the permalink of the Blip page with my video? does it list that I am the creator and my website URL? Yes, all of that information is in the feed. It includes the permalink to the post on blip in the item:link element, and also includes special metadata that's presently unique to blip for credit. Here's an example from a random video I picked on blip: blip:userthatphoneguy/blip:user blip:show30 Seconds with Phone Guy/blip:show blip:showpagehttp://thatphoneguy.blip.tv//blip:showpage blip:picturehttp://blip.tv/uploadedFiles/user_photo_thatphoneguy746.jp g/blip:picture So that tells the aggregator that the video is from the 30 Seconds with Phone Guy series, which can be found at http://thatphoneguy.blip.tv/. It even gives the aggregator a picture that can be used to represent the series, which can be found at http://blip.tv/uploadedFiles/user_photo_thatphoneguy746.jpg. We'd love to use standard elements for these pieces of metadata, but they don't exist yet -- we're including them in our own namespace right now so that our formal partners can pick up and use the data for attribution purposes.
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
Andreas, what should we be doing in our RSS? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:45 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Den 31.01.2007 kl. 05:11 skrev Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or of course you could just work with people tring to standardise all meta data for video which would include a license portion. Please don't. There are already standards for attaching licensing information to web content (in both HTML and RSS). Don't create a video specific one. In fact don't create one at all, use the one that already exists. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
Yeah, we do point to the Creative Commons license using their CC namespace. Can we go further than that? Is there a standard for conveying the substance of the attribution requirement in RSS? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:00 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Den 31.01.2007 kl. 23:48 skrev Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andreas, what should we be doing in our RSS? I was thinking about the Creatice Commons namespace. You guys are already using that so those who subscribe to RSS feeds from blip are already getting that information. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
Yeah, that's not particularly helpful for us. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:33 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences There's a copyright element in RSS 2.0, but that's a human-readable string and not really useful for machines. If you want machines to read the license info the CC namespace seems to be the way to go. It doesn't help that copyright is a channel-level element so it's completely useless in many cases. - Andreas Den 01.02.2007 kl. 00:01 skrev Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, we do point to the Creative Commons license using their CC namespace. Can we go further than that? Is there a standard for conveying the substance of the attribution requirement in RSS? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:00 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Den 31.01.2007 kl. 23:48 skrev Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andreas, what should we be doing in our RSS? I was thinking about the Creatice Commons namespace. You guys are already using that so those who subscribe to RSS feeds from blip are already getting that information. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver
I don't believe that contests necessarily have to be zero-sum. If there's adequate promotional opportunity for all participants (or at least those participants who have something of a quality entry) they can avoid being truly zero sum games. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [chrisbrogan.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:36 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver Interesting points, Jan, and I appreciate your opinion. Contests do have a way of picking a winner, which makes them a zero sum game, as Covey calls it. What do I value? Participation. I love community when it is positive. (It's a personal flaw of mine that I don't do negative very well. Yes, I know discourse is healthy. I am trying to learn how to better manage it.) To me, not as someone from Network2, but just me, participation is what this means. Is it marketing for Network2? Hell yes. But consider these two scenarios: 1.) Old way: pay people to pretend to be videobloggers. 2.) New way: ask videobloggers and producers to make it themselves. Recently, Robert Scoble took crap for making a video about Intel. My very personal opinion is that I'd rather watch Robert's interview than yet another ad showing a sterile room with flashing neon graphics. Robert asked questions, showed us things, got a voice. Participation. Yes, there's marketing. Yes, there's a competition. But in another way, it's a chance for a couple hundred people to show themselves, should they choose to do so. Another cool thing about the Internet over traditional broadcasting: we want to show them all. Oh! Important: Steve Elbows mentioned something about negative or parody ads. I think those are fine, too. Remember the GM thing? Well, we're not selling a product. We're selling an idea. You want to sh!t on the idea of watching Internet TV? Cool. Have a blast! You want to sh!t on Network2, that it's not [good/right/useful/pretty], that's cool too. That's the best part of this two-way communication medium. You can raise your voice. Will we FEATURE it? Maybe not. But we'll watch it for sure. And you control the broadcast of it, so you can host it wherever. So, if you want to post negative or parody, that's okay, too. I value participation. That's what was behind PodCamp. That's what's behind the projects I spend my time on. That's where I go when I'm not with my family (meetups and the like). Hope that helps answer your question. --Chris Brogan... Community Developer Network2.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you value? Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
David, We will block these guys on our end if we have to. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 30 10:59:46 2007 Subject: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences It appears that the problem is that basically anyone can create an aggregator and pull feeds from it. Unless there is something done that prevents this, this is going to happen more and more. In this case, for me, it's the Blip feed that is being ripped. To have them stop displaying my videos, I will have to remove them from Blip. So at this point, I am going to have to make a decision. Delete my videos from Blip? Delete my feed?. Password protect my feed? Admit the CC license really means nothing and not care who does what with my stuff? There doesnt appear to be that much concern here in preventing or resolving it. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response from VideoRonk: Considered usuary. Videoronk is a finder that obtains the videos of youtube, google video, blip, metacafe, dailymotion, myspace, vimeo and revver. We did not lodge any video in our systems. They are these finders to which you would have to go so that they retired your video. We felt not to be able to help in this question. A greeting. Videoronk. So basically they are saying that they are a pass through system that they just happen to pick up feeds and slap ads above them. This is a similar approach taken by http://www.zabasearch.com. Zabasearch post public personal information taken from other sources. When you ask them to remove it they state they don't store the info on their servers they are just a pass through service. With ads. We have a problem here. Gena Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
We do not have an agreement with them. Purely a defensive move on their part. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of johnleeke Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Mike writes: We will block these guys on our end if we have to. I noticed that they were prominently displaying the Blip logo, and wondered if you already had an agreement with them. Thanks for all your good works. John Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
I don't think the issue is advertising. If it was there wouldn't be an issue since ads with video is now fairly commoditized technology. I think the bigger issue is credit and respect for the terms of the cc license itself, which can put restrictions on commercial use and require proper attribution. In terms of videoronk my concern is that credit is given to blip but not to the content creator. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 30 21:37:27 2007 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Bill, I think that's exactly right. While there is a great deal of education that needs to occur around CC licensing, I'm not sure that's the issue at play here. Videoronk is pulling videos from all over the place - they certainly aren't all covered by CC. And frankly, I'm a little concerned about the slipperiness of this slope. I personally value CC licenses because they take into account the openness of the web. I want people to share my videos. If I have google ads on my blog and I embed one of your videos, am I violating your CC license? Are we going to move toward locking our videos down on our own sites and using DRM to protect them? Blip can block these sites all day long and they're just going to keep popping up. I found my videos on Vidoeronk pulled in from the Revver feed. Because they're syndicating the Revver player, the Revver ads are included and I'm making money. Or at least I would if I didn't work at Revver. :) Revver's business model was built upon the understanding that videos would be increasingly syndicated on the open web. We wanted to give creators a way to benefit from that. We still have a ways to go to improve our player so that attribution and linkbacks are automatically included. But at least in this scenario, Revver users are making money for their work. Speaking for myself, I'm personally OK with my videos being on Videoronk. The ads at Videoronk aren't associated directly with my videos (at least so far). I think this example is very different than what happened with MyHeavy. MyHeavy pulled videos into their own player and attached advertising to the video - not on the page around the video. That was clearly not ok. In this scenario, I'm not so sure I think my CC license is being violated (at least the noncommercial part of it). What is missing from videoronk is attribution and linkbacks. Let's build those directly into the players. Let's attribute ourselves and provide urls directly in the videos. Let's use the tool at our disposal to get what we want instead of embarking on an endless goose chase to hunt down everyone pulling RSS feeds. We have to find ways to benefit from what happens naturally on the web instead of trying to constantly battle it. On 1/30/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. For me, I have to consider switching to a traditional license. I don't want to do that - I love the idea than some of the videos are being used by non-profits for their purposes. There has got to be a license for what I am trying to do but on the other hand I don't want inappropriate ads appearing next to some of my content. One of my posts is titled Love Prosper about Christian Hip Hop performers. I get the willies just thinking about what kind of ads are going to latch on to that post. Not the best ideas but we gotta move from the theory to the practical. sigh I need chocolate. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video Can you expand on that? What kind of license are you going to get that would make any difference to someone aggregating RSS feeds? It's not Creative Commons that's being disrespected. They're ignoring everything except the fact that you made a video and they can subscribe to your feed. Do you think they actually _watch_ the videos they aggregate to see if there's a licensing block at the end? Do you think, especially given the response you received in this case, that they would bother to remove each particular individual feed whose license they were disregarding? CC or Traditional? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by switching to a traditional license. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV -- www.mickipedia.com www.worldchanging.com http://blog.revver.com NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse or protection from this unwarranted intrusion save to call for the impeachment of the current President. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text
RE: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences
Building players that include links and attribution directly is great, but for blip it's not a complete solution since we need to support every format under the sun (from divx to mp4) in order to ensure content creator flexibility and device / platform compatibility. So while we may build a Flash player that includes attribution and links in it we won't be able to do that with, say, mp4 files which don't have a container to build such tools in. I suppose that we could offer people an option to lock their content down and lose the direct references to video files in RSS and the like, but that is somewhat counter to our philosophy. We're all about sharing media openly all over the Interwebs, and personally I'm not interested in letting a few bad apples get in the way of that. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micki Krimmel Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:49 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences And I'm saying I think we have the tools to correct that ourselves which in the long run will better serve us than hunting down every aggregator out there that doesn't take upon themselves to do so. There's just no way to keep up. Let's build players that include attribution and links directly. And as creators, we should be sure to add that information to the videos themselves. On 1/30/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the issue is advertising. If it was there wouldn't be an issue since ads with video is now fairly commoditized technology. I think the bigger issue is credit and respect for the terms of the cc license itself, which can put restrictions on commercial use and require proper attribution. In terms of videoronk my concern is that credit is given to blip but not to the content creator. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 30 21:37:27 2007 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk our cc licences Bill, I think that's exactly right. While there is a great deal of education that needs to occur around CC licensing, I'm not sure that's the issue at play here. Videoronk is pulling videos from all over the place - they certainly aren't all covered by CC. And frankly, I'm a little concerned about the slipperiness of this slope. I personally value CC licenses because they take into account the openness of the web. I want people to share my videos. If I have google ads on my blog and I embed one of your videos, am I violating your CC license? Are we going to move toward locking our videos down on our own sites and using DRM to protect them? Blip can block these sites all day long and they're just going to keep popping up. I found my videos on Vidoeronk pulled in from the Revver feed. Because they're syndicating the Revver player, the Revver ads are included and I'm making money. Or at least I would if I didn't work at Revver. :) Revver's business model was built upon the understanding that videos would be increasingly syndicated on the open web. We wanted to give creators a way to benefit from that. We still have a ways to go to improve our player so that attribution and linkbacks are automatically included. But at least in this scenario, Revver users are making money for their work. Speaking for myself, I'm personally OK with my videos being on Videoronk. The ads at Videoronk aren't associated directly with my videos (at least so far). I think this example is very different than what happened with MyHeavy. MyHeavy pulled videos into their own player and attached advertising to the video - not on the page around the video. That was clearly not ok. In this scenario, I'm not so sure I think my CC license is being violated (at least the noncommercial part of it). What is missing from videoronk is attribution and linkbacks. Let's build those directly into the players. Let's attribute ourselves and provide urls directly in the videos. Let's use the tool at our disposal to get what we want instead of embarking on an endless goose chase to hunt down everyone pulling RSS feeds. We have to find ways to benefit from what happens naturally on the web instead of trying to constantly battle it. On 1/30/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED]BillCammack%40alum.mit.edu wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. For me, I have to consider switching
RE: [videoblogging] setting up a video upload page.
Rupert, Seems like we're crossing the line between videoblogging group conversation and e-mail that should be sent directly to blip (we'd like to try to keep blip support topics off the videoblogging group whenever possible). We actively discourage the sharing of login information (including e-mail addresses) with anyone, especially the public, so I don't think that would be a good solution. You may be better off asking people to establish their own blip accounts (which you can do, believe it or not, on your own site) and then asking them to upload a video using that account (again, you can do this on your site). Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:31 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] setting up a video upload page. This is something I was about to look into with Blip, actually - but I haven't had time to read the TCs or contact them. I was wondering if it was OK or not with Blip to set up and give out an email address on a vlog to allow the general public to email videos to a Blip account and automatically cross-post to the vlog? Or would that attract massive spam for Blip - perhaps a better way would be with an upload form posting to the (hidden) Blip email address? Or is this bad practice? Any thoughts? Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org On 26 Jan 2007, at 04:34, Milt Lee wrote: HI folks, I wanted to see if anybody here has set up a page for people to upload videos. I'm trying to get a sense of what it would take to make an easy portal for folks to send me some video for a new site. It's not going to be a giant public portal, but the folks sending the stuff would not be your basic techno-heads either. Just folks that need an easy way to send some videos without any knowledge of FTP. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Milt Lee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Richard, Thanks! The MyHeavy and Magnify control panels aren't there yet, but will be soon. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show) Hall Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:44 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Mike, As others have said, your work is very much appreciated. Besides the fact, that you are making an effort to encourage services to respond to the content creator's wishes, I also really appreciate the fact that you make it easy - you encourage - syndication to all sorts of OTHER video sites, besides blip - you facilitate the widest distribution you can to other (open) sites. The exact opposite of the walled-garden approach, such as the youtube approach. One minor question, about your post below. I don't see anything on my blip dash board about opt in/out to myheavy or magnify. Did you mean these will be available in the future, or am I missing anything? ... Richard On 1/25/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player-adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know if these are acceptable outcomes for you, and we'll proceed with implementation with both companies. --- Mike Hudack CEO, blip.tv Office: 917-546-6989 AIM: mikehudack Read the blip.tv blog: http://blog.blip.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Richard http://richardhhall.org Shows http://richardshow.org http://inspiredhealing.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
-Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:59 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Copyright gives you different powers over taking, displaying, and profiting. It gives you great power over redistribution. In the case of displaying via an embed it gives you very little power (though over aspects of the law might help). In the case of profiting it gives you no power at all. If you want to use copyright to control displaying or profiting, that's an expansion of copyright. Lucas, I totally and completely respect your position and agree with most of what you say, at least in spirit. Yet I find this one difficult to swallow. I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the nature of copyright, the purpose of copyright, to control the display of a work? I suppose we could split hairs over the definition of display, but isn't it illegal to take a $20 DVD and display it in a theater occupied by 150 people who each paid $12 to see the movie?
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
-Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:51 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general On 1/28/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is a big difference from playing a ditty at a wedding and selling CDs by the truckload. They are not like at all. Of course they were wrong to argue that. Under the law there is no difference between playing a ditty at a wedding and selling CDs by the truckload. If it's a reasonable claim against a giant corporation selling CDs by the truckload, it's a reasonable claim against an individual playing a ditty at a wedding. That's the entire reason I'm willing to expose myself to your anger in this conversation. The expansive rights that you and many other videobloggers are asking for would be a catastrophe in the hands of big corporations, and if you get them then they do to. Are you arguing that it is illegal for a company to attach usage restrictions to the sale of a piece of media? While I very much respect your position and the ideology that sits behind it, I can't help but think that the courts have disagreed with you at every turn. If your argument is indeed intended to empower the little guy against the big guy, why argue that the little guy shouldn't have access to the same tools and technologies used by the big guys to protect their media?
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/26/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that defaulting to opt-out would make our negotiations harder, and I also think that a good number of people who wouldn't object to syndication to, say, AOL, would never opt in simply because it takes effort to do so. What do opting -in and -out mean, Mike? Search engines have robots.txt. Video aggregators have the MediaRSS restriction standard. What we're doing is asking aggregators to respect MediaRSS restrictions, and then giving users control over those restrictions. It's much like what you suggested in terms of mod_rewrite / some form of server-side access control, only done at a higher level and more scalable + easier to manage. All we're doing is taking a level of control which is already available for pure HTML pages and applying it to media. About the issue of advertising on player pages, that doesn't make sense to me in the case of aggregators which link to rather than re-host media files. I don't think the content creator has any claim over whether third parties do advertising unless the third party is hosting a copy of the media. And frankly, that's a good thing because being unable to advertise would decimate the aggregator business and the lack of aggregators would make decentralized citizen media a non-starter. Only centralized sites like YouTube and blip.tv would be able to survive. My goal here is to facilitate the creation of a world of carrier-neutral destination sites like Y! Video, MeeVee, Mefeedia and many others. As I pointed out in my summary of the meeting with Magnify, their business is heavily advertising-dependent, and we understand and respect that. Right now it looks like everyone is okay with them inserting copious advertising in the discovery experience, but not everyone is okay with advertising inserted in the consumption experience. This is the inverse of what they're doing right now. Given that, I'm not suggesting that we ban them from aggregating blip.tv video, but rather that we allow content creators to make the choice as to whether or not they'd like their content displayed in that environment. Surely this is a good thing? Keep in mind that in terms of centralization, blip.tv is behind YouTube. It's in our best interests to encourage a huge crop of carrier-neutral aggregators which, with content from hosting sites like blip, can take down YT. Our interests are aligned here. About respecting Media RSS claims and providing a link back, there's an implicit assumption that the aggregator discovered the media via some particular source. If the aggregator just has a bare URL, which often happens, these conditions aren't possible. In my experience it is often hard or impossible to connect a media URL to the original source page, and for a popular URL it is hard or impossible to figure out which of multiple sources was the original one. For example, Akamaized media can only rarely be traced back to the original source. I acknowledge that it can sometimes be difficult to track back metadata about a video if it's given to you as a bare URL or such. Agreed. The cases we're talking about here aren't WebJay, though. We're talking about Web-based aggregators that slurp giant RSS feeds. They're not offering the kind of functionality WebJay offers, they're instead building huge video repositories for search and discovery. I agree that a WebJay shouldn't be held to the same standard as a Y! Video or a Magnify. So you can (rightly) press me on what the difference is. I'd argue that the difference is actual human interaction on the level of a specific video. If a human being goes in and creates a playlist out of a bunch of different pieces of media then that's a different case than if a company scrapes up every media-laden RSS feed it can find and makes them available in a destination site surrounded by tons of branding, advertising and lacking any kind of credit to the original content creator. Digg shouldn't be held to robots.txt, but Google should be. Agreed? Companies the size of Yahoo are the only players who can even get into this game, so I suppose I should be happy to have barriers to entry, but I don't think it's right to keep startups out. I call bullshit on that. Peter did this with Mefeedia on zero budget. If I weren't so busy on blip.tv I would whip up a quick little aggregator in Ruby or PHP or perl or something in a few hours that respects MediaRSS exclusion just to prove my point. I'm betting that the very basic proof of concept could be done in under 25 lines. A quick HTTP GET, slurp the results directly into an XML parser, and then a little xpath. You'd just need maybe five lines of logic for determining whether or not you're actually allowed to redisplay the media. The logic itself is described perfectly well in the MediaRSS spec, found here: http://search.yahoo.com/mrss Yours, Mike
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
I think we can all agree that the economy, whether on a global scale or on a smaller scale such as the one we're currently discussing, is not a zero-sum game. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:28 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Lucas, I did not, nor did anyone participating in this discussion make the argument that a third party's profit is necessarily someone else's loss. No one said any such thing. What many people are saying is that they don't want others, with most of the emphasis on corporations, profiting from their work without their permission or some compensation. Metaphors and analogies about neighbors painting houses really don't change the basic formula, which is: you make it, you own it, you get to decide what to do with it and what gets done with it. Property rights are an axiom of western civilization. They are an axiom of our legal system and our economic system too. A thicket of what-if scenarios notwithstanding, that's the state of things right now. Here's the good news: if you want to share your work or give it away, you can do that too. The irony is that many of us coming on all William F. Buckley on this issue are really no such thing. But the confusion is rampant. Or is this all just a big argument for the sake of argument? If that's the case then I'm done. Cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/27/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the mix somewhere when it comes to reactions of music etc industry. When somebody makes the argument that the profit of a third party is necessarily their loss, they are arguing from victimization. Let's say you argue that aggregated creators deserve a share of the profits of an aggregator. That doesn't follow from economics. The economic point of view is that investors in the aggregator, its owners, are the ones who deserve a share of the profits, because they also stood to lose money if it lost money. When I buy a house for $X, I stand to lose $X and also stand to gain whatever I can sell it for above $X. If the value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place, my neighbor has no claim to my profit. There are people who read my blog in Bloglines, for example, but I make no claim to Bloglines' revenues. If Bloglines goes out of business I lose nothing, so why should I stand to gain if it makes money? Ditto videoblogs and video aggregrators. Ask yourself this: if MyHeavy goes out of business, what does it cost you? And how do you know whether they are even making a profit right now? (I doubt they are). The reality is that you don't know or care whether they exist, much less whether they are profitable. The only thing that matters to you is whether *you* are profitable. People in the music business made the same bogus argument over and over again in reaction to third parties who benefit from their work. If somebody sings my song at a birthday party and everybody has fun because of that, don't I deserve a few bucks? If my song accidentally ends up in the background of a scene in a documentary, don't I get paid? If an Elvis impersonator lands a good gig in Vegas, doesn't the Presley estate get a cut? So that's my case that the sense of righteous anger is misplaced. Now for the issue of victimization -- why do I say this anger flows from a misplaced sense of victimization? The value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place. Do they deserve a cut? Why shouldn't they get a share, since it was their work? Their improvements weren't cheap either! I mean, they slaved on their fixup every weekend, they put a ton of money into the painters, they took a day off from work to get a construction permit -- where do I get off making a fortune off them!? But hold on, there's another way of looking at it. My benefit is a positive externality. Per Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality, 'an externality is a cost or benefit from an economic transaction that parties external to the transaction receive.' Just so for remixers and aggregators and all the other third parties, whether street people or rich corporations, who benefit from the labor and investment of a videoblogger. What matters has nothing to do with the benefit of third parties. It has to do with the health of the videoblogger. If you got what you wanted out of your vlog, who cares whether
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
I agree with Lucas on this one, sull, at least insomuch as I disagree with you. Businesses should be absolutely free to add value to the media landscape by aggregating media into single locations and thereby adding value that wasn't previously there. To my mind the issue is more about the level of control that content creators have over their own works when businesses come in and do that, not whether such things are good (I believe they are in fact good). -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sull Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:28 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Your 'nothing lost, nothing gained' argument is an interesting injection here but i do feel it is besides the point of the issue that matters most within this discussion... which is about those who are the owners of intellectual/creative property that are licensed and made available non-commercially etc. No matter how you slice it, creators can't let business plans that are largely based on profitting from the vast amount of available works on the internet to be deemed legit and to let commercial entities abuse the licenses that were attached to these works without proper permission. Period. That has nothing to do with breaking the web or passive benefits/fair use of content... which is a related but seperate issue. sull On 1/28/07, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/27/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the mix somewhere when it comes to reactions of music etc industry. When somebody makes the argument that the profit of a third party is necessarily their loss, they are arguing from victimization. Let's say you argue that aggregated creators deserve a share of the profits of an aggregator. That doesn't follow from economics. The economic point of view is that investors in the aggregator, its owners, are the ones who deserve a share of the profits, because they also stood to lose money if it lost money. When I buy a house for $X, I stand to lose $X and also stand to gain whatever I can sell it for above $X. If the value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place, my neighbor has no claim to my profit. There are people who read my blog in Bloglines, for example, but I make no claim to Bloglines' revenues. If Bloglines goes out of business I lose nothing, so why should I stand to gain if it makes money? Ditto videoblogs and video aggregrators. Ask yourself this: if MyHeavy goes out of business, what does it cost you? And how do you know whether they are even making a profit right now? (I doubt they are). The reality is that you don't know or care whether they exist, much less whether they are profitable. The only thing that matters to you is whether *you* are profitable. People in the music business made the same bogus argument over and over again in reaction to third parties who benefit from their work. If somebody sings my song at a birthday party and everybody has fun because of that, don't I deserve a few bucks? If my song accidentally ends up in the background of a scene in a documentary, don't I get paid? If an Elvis impersonator lands a good gig in Vegas, doesn't the Presley estate get a cut? So that's my case that the sense of righteous anger is misplaced. Now for the issue of victimization -- why do I say this anger flows from a misplaced sense of victimization? The value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place. Do they deserve a cut? Why shouldn't they get a share, since it was their work? Their improvements weren't cheap either! I mean, they slaved on their fixup every weekend, they put a ton of money into the painters, they took a day off from work to get a construction permit -- where do I get off making a fortune off them!? But hold on, there's another way of looking at it. My benefit is a positive externality. Per Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality, 'an externality is a cost or benefit from an economic transaction that parties external to the transaction receive.' Just so for remixers and aggregators and all the other third parties, whether street people or rich corporations, who benefit from the labor and investment of a videoblogger. What matters has nothing to do with the benefit of third parties. It has to do with the health of the videoblogger. If you got what you wanted out of your vlog, who cares whether other people benefitted too? Did you have fun? Did you make
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
It's the difference between personal aggregation and global aggregation. It's an extremely important distinction. I don't have a right to demand much of anything from the developers of Firefox in terms of how they display my Web pages. The location bar may be a standard part of the user interface, but that doesn't mean I can get angry at the Mozilla Foundation if they fail to include it in their next release and therefore fail to tell people the URL of my Web site. The burden on Web site creators who aren't building personal software (BlogLines is personal software, Y! Video is not) is different. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Meiser Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:03 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general What still suprises me is that people get so mad at myheavy and all these others and yet the biggest offender of them all is itunes with their iTunes. They're using 10's of thousands of vloggers and podcasters to build traffic in their marketplace to sell mainstream media, and more ipods and macs, and they don't even have the courtesy to give you a reach arou... I mean a damn permalink in the damn iTunes interface so after I'm done watching your video or listening to your podcast I can click back to your website and see your shownotes, comments, or any of that crap. Is it because iTunes is a piece of software and not a webservice, or because of some steve jobs reality distortion field. Make no doubt about it even though apple isn't putting ads directly on your media they certainly aren't doing you any favors. They're alienating you from your users. So why do we DEMAND permalinks back to the original blog post in Democracy, Fireant, Mefeedia, Network2, Myheavy and on and on an one... but simply ignore apple? -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 1/28/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly unrealistic and ultimately disastrous path as the record labels and movie companies. That's quite a statement. One that I think is entirely wrong. I have no problem with you aggregating my video. Even if your site has google ads. I'm quite aware that my stuff is totally free as soon as I post it on blip. I just expect that giant media conglomerates, or their subsidiary investments (magnify, myheavy,nextnew networks, et al.) give me some kind of consideration as a content creator. If they are making millions, I want a share. If smaller entities are gaining notoriety, I want some of that; put a friggin' correct link on it for cryin' out loud. To say that expecting to get royalties off of large economic endeavors using our stuff is like a record company is standing reality on its head. It is the myheavys and magnifys that are acting like old school record companies; robbing artists of their hard work and creativity; screw the talent! Ron On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote: On 1/27/07, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even accepting reality for what it is, however, there are many good reasons to continue to push for our rights as creators to be sacrosanct. The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly unrealistic and ultimately disastrous path as the record labels and movie companies. What's driving you is the same misplaced sense of victimization and and righteous anger. Creators don't have sacrosanct rights in the US (except with regard to attribution). That's not just a little wrong, it's wrong in a way which is important. If creators were to be granted sacrosanct rights it would be a massive expansion of copyright at the expense of the public. And not just at the expense of the public, but also at the expense of creators. The 500,000 YouTubers who you want to prevent from mashing up your video have just as much right to make art as you do. If what's at stake is the loss of 500,000 artworks, why does your work trump theirs? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Keep in mind that in terms of centralization, blip.tv is behind YouTube. It's in our best interests to encourage a huge crop of carrier-neutral aggregators which, with content from hosting sites like blip, can take down YT. Our interests are aligned here. This is not about taking down YT either, mike. At this point, it is probably not even feasible... as google can let it live forever if they want. Are you suggesting the the carrier-neutral aggregators should exclude Youtube? That wouldnt be very neutral. I'm suggesting no such thing, Sull. They should include everyone and be truly neutral. I think you misunderstand me. I'm agreeing with Lucas that aggregators are incredibly important so that content creators can get their content in front of lots of eyeballs without having to go through a major player, whether that be YT or blip or someone else.
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
I'm thinking just in terms of fragmented viewing attention across a number of carrier-neutral sites equalling and exceeding the traffic to YT. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sull Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:13 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general ok, can take down YT did confuse me. still does. but ok. On 1/29/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that in terms of centralization, blip.tv is behind YouTube. It's in our best interests to encourage a huge crop of carrier-neutral aggregators which, with content from hosting sites like blip, can take down YT. Our interests are aligned here. This is not about taking down YT either, mike. At this point, it is probably not even feasible... as google can let it live forever if they want. Are you suggesting the the carrier-neutral aggregators should exclude Youtube? That wouldnt be very neutral. I'm suggesting no such thing, Sull. They should include everyone and be truly neutral. I think you misunderstand me. I'm agreeing with Lucas that aggregators are incredibly important so that content creators can get their content in front of lots of eyeballs without having to go through a major player, whether that be YT or blip or someone else. -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Here here, Tim. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:43 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Apple has a link to our website on our podcast page at the iTunes Store and we get lots of traffic from them. If it wasn't for Apple we wouldn't have the advertisers that we have today. We also have lots of comments on our Apple page from people who love us and hate us. So there is a place for user feedback. Apple has been very good to the community. Keep in mind they generate no direct revenue from podcasting, and there's no way to quantify any indirect revenue on their site at this time. I guess you could set up an affiliate account and make some money sending people to iTunes but they send way more people to us than we send to them. I look forward to other big players following Apple's lead and stepping up to the plate and creating a UI that is as good as or better than Apple iTunes. Competition is a good thing. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE on ahref=http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes; target=_blankiTunes/a On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:34 AM, sull wrote: I am often disgusted by Apple... Is there even once example of Apple implementing user feedback? Maybe, but from my view, they ignore outside feedback especially when it comes to this grass roots media revolution that has been ongoing for 3-4 years. It can be argued that iTunes isnt the same and cant be similarly scrutinized for lacking proper attribution etc... Because they exist to serve MSM first and foremost. But give me one reason for this lack of attribution when they are displaying independent podcasts vodcasts in their directory? What Control Freaks they are! And btw, iTunes is still a terrible UI! They should take the UI of their hardware devices and apply it to their software apps. sull On 1/29/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What still suprises me is that people get so mad at myheavy and all these others and yet the biggest offender of them all is itunes with their iTunes. They're using 10's of thousands of vloggers and podcasters to build traffic in their marketplace to sell mainstream media, and more ipods and macs, and they don't even have the courtesy to give you a reach arou... I mean a damn permalink in the damn iTunes interface so after I'm done watching your video or listening to your podcast I can click back to your website and see your shownotes, comments, or any of that crap. Is it because iTunes is a piece of software and not a webservice, or because of some steve jobs reality distortion field. Make no doubt about it even though apple isn't putting ads directly on your media they certainly aren't doing you any favors. They're alienating you from your users. So why do we DEMAND permalinks back to the original blog post in Democracy, Fireant, Mefeedia, Network2, Myheavy and on and on an one... but simply ignore apple? -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 1/28/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.com wrote: The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly unrealistic and ultimately disastrous path as the record labels and movie companies. That's quite a statement. One that I think is entirely wrong. I have no problem with you aggregating my video. Even if your site has google ads. I'm quite aware that my stuff is totally free as soon as I post it on blip. I just expect that giant media conglomerates, or their subsidiary investments (magnify, myheavy,nextnew networks, et al.) give me some kind of consideration as a content creator. If they are making millions, I want a share. If smaller entities are gaining notoriety, I want some of that; put a friggin' correct link on it for cryin' out loud. To say that expecting to get royalties off of large economic endeavors using our stuff is like a record company is standing reality on its head. It is the myheavys and magnifys that are acting like old school record companies; robbing artists of their hard work and creativity; screw the talent! Ron On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote: On 1/27/07, David [EMAIL PROTECTED]david% 40captainhumphreys.com wrote: Even accepting reality for what it is, however, there are many good reasons to continue to push for our rights as creators to be sacrosanct. The problem is that
RE: [videoblogging] setting up a video upload page.
If you're looking to build a real form for this, you can do it using the blip.tv API. We have documentation at http://wiki.blip.tv/ (the username and password is in the prompt). -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 12:03 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] setting up a video upload page. Say It To Katie I just pointed people who wanted to upload video for for Say It To Katie, to blip.tv http://sayittokatie.com CBS CBS now points people to YouTube: http://www.cbs.com/originals/15_seconds/ CBS asks people to join a YouTube Group and then add their video to that group Click http://www.youtube.com/group/15seconds to go to the 15 Seconds group page click the Join Group link * Click the ADD VIDEO link select your video add to your group! ROCKETBOOM Rocketboom asked people to upload videos wherever they are comfortable doing it and to let them know after. On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Milt Lee wrote: HI folks, I wanted to see if anybody here has set up a page for people to upload videos... Milt Lee Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine! Way back when, long before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service with a few of the folks now at blip. The challenges we saw then are the same challenges we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you need a system to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling collection of content from a compelling collection of providers. At the end of the day building a real micropayments system is really about network building. No one's managed to do this well. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out there on the topic, or can we have a conversation. Cheers, Ron Watson Pawsitive Vybe 11659 Berrigan Ave Cedar Springs, MI 49319 http://pawsitivevybe.com Personal Contact: 616.802.8923 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote: It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business diplomacy from Mike. I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and morality of the issue, opt out simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content. They want and take our content because it has a higher value that what they have to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based on paying absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. We cannot afford it sounds pretty lame when they have million dollar budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the micro payment idea? Wern't computers supposed to make micro payments practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, then pay what they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it so we know it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with the content makers, then they don't take the content. This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from our Mommies by the time we were ten: If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it. Every particle of the conflict in this issue arises out of the fact that it appears they think they can ignore this basic tenant of our morality-based society. I think the fact that they do, or do not, show their faces in this discussion tells us a lot about their character and intent. Mike and all, thanks for the good works and thoughtful discussions. John www.HistoricHomeWorks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: A few links from the news that sorta kinda could be of interest here
I don't think that's the issue. There's a ton of money spent on advertising that isn't really thought about. Its brand adjacency that scares buyers. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri Jan 26 10:41:23 2007 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: A few links from the news that sorta kinda could be of interest here That's a lot of billable hours, and a lot of third-party vendors that the agency marked up to the client at an average of about 15%. Now do you get why the ad agencies are a tiny bit scared of user-generated video? On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:24 PM, David wrote: Interesting links. Thanks. The reproduction of Tom Hanks in the 3D model is scarier to me than the resurection of Orville Redenbacher. And I love that it took an army of people to produce the popcorn piece. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see dead people! The Resurection of Redenbacher http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/3705/%20 or How many CG artists does it take to re-animate a icon. Credits here http://www.deathfall.com/article.php?sid=6628 This might freak out those that believe in ghosts ( http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/3705/ ) Just last week I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=nice6NYb_WA piece on morphing faces. (http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=nice6NYb_WA) My first thought is holy sh*t. My second? Great, now I'll never be able to tell ... Is it alive or is it (non linear, pixelated ) memorex. Tools: Instant domain search http://instantdomainsearch.com/ ( http://instantdomainsearch.com/ ) returns a Taken or Available as you type. Pretty slick and saves time. It still takes a step or two to get the details of a name already registered but entering lkufhiuyrqh for example gives you the reseller name and their current pricing. This is kinda neat. I like graphical stuff. About Many Eyes http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/page/About_Many_Eyes.html from ( http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/app ) Many Eyes http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/app is a bet on the power of human visual intelligence to find patterns. Our goal is to democratize visualization and to enable a new social kind of data analysis. Jump right to our visualizations now, take a tour, or read on for a leisurely explanation of the project. FAQ here http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/page/About_Many_Eyes.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
They are absolutely going to do this. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:19 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general All I was really looking for from Magnify was attribution and a link. Any word on that front? I just think it is unacceptable for them to attribute blip.tv and then leave no avenue for their viewer to make it to the rest of my work. Cheers, Ron On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player-adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know if these are acceptable outcomes for you, and we'll proceed with implementation with both companies. --- Mike Hudack CEO, blip.tv Office: 917-546-6989 AIM: mikehudack Read the blip.tv blog: http://blog.blip.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
John, I'm going to reply to David directly in just a moment. I'd just like to point out that my ability to discuss the particular case of Magnify right now is fairly limited since negotiations with Magnify are ongoing and I don't want to jeopardize those conversations. It's kind of like lawyers negotiating a settlement or heads of state trying to end a shooting war -- you don't want to make off-handed comments to the press which may filter back into the negotiating room and change opinions, offend people, or put people in difficult positions because of the public discussion of the issue which may put pressure on people and force their hands. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of johnleeke Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:26 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business diplomacy from Mike. I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and morality of the issue, opt out simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content. They want and take our content because it has a higher value that what they have to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based on paying absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. We cannot afford it sounds pretty lame when they have million dollar budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the micro payment idea? Wern't computers supposed to make micro payments practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, then pay what they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it so we know it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with the content makers, then they don't take the content. This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from our Mommies by the time we were ten: If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it. Every particle of the conflict in this issue arises out of the fact that it appears they think they can ignore this basic tenant of our morality-based society. I think the fact that they do, or do not, show their faces in this discussion tells us a lot about their character and intent. Mike and all, thanks for the good works and thoughtful discussions. John www.HistoricHomeWorks.com Yahoo! Groups Links
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. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this depends on exactly what we mean by opt-out. Clearly the rages against various sites shows that being asked to opt-out of something we may not even know exists, is no good. But most of the recent opt-out stuff, has been related to blip.tv. This is different because it only applies to people who are actively using blip.tv to host their content, and the various opt-in's and opt-out's are options that are centrally located in the blip.tv control panel. This leaves you in much greater control, in the driving seat with a clear view and control, so its not the same as having to opt-out of things that arent even showing up on the radar. It also impacts on the crateive commons angle. Unknown services have no agreement with the creators that gives them additional rights beyond the cc or normal copyright license you use. But when you host stuff with blip.tv, you are already giving blip additional rights beyond the cc license, which should be fine as you are actively making an agreement with them. I suppose it gets a little grey here because theres then a question about whether these other sites are being given some of these rights too, by being blip.tv partners and claiming that their use is non-commercial as blip defines it, or whether they are just relying on the rights you've granted via cc license, and claiming to be non-commercial as Creative Commons defines it. Unfortunately cc dont really define it much right now, and I suppose legally its down to how a court would define non-commercial, if some test cases go to court. Anyway this quickly becomes a quagmire, which brings us back to blip.tv's attempts to give the users control, which I guess means more to people at the end of the day than specific legal clarification? Personally I remain pretty strongly against attempts to stretch the definition of non-commercial use too far, and would be happier if more detail was given on this subject in the various terms conditions people are signing up to with hosts, but so long as there are service slike blip trying to do the right thing, I perhaps shouldnt get caught up in the finer details of the purely legal definition side of things, and if the term non-commercial is too narrow it will I guess harm innovation and the ability to syndicate in a 'fair' way?!? Cheers Steve Elbows Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David david@ wrote: Are we seriously okay with opt-out? A thousand aggregators take your material and use it however they want. Does anyone have the time to sift the net and sift those sites to ensure your material is being used as you have licensed it to be used? A CC, non-commercial license means you have to ask me if you can serve ads against my content. It means you can redistribute but you can't make money from doing so without further permission and so you have to ask to serve ads against my content. It doesn't mean I have to find out that you're breaking my license and then track you down and get you to stop. The burden on me to do that would break my back, let alone my spirits. How many emails would I have to send, how many phone calls would I have to make to get the offending website to stop? How long would it take them to compensate me? It's untenable. Opt-out is bogus, unethical and probably illegal. Are we really okay with this? Google is getting fried in the press. Lawsuits are being filed. Opt-out is bogus. What am I, krill to be swept up in the great big whale-y maw of some aggregator to whom I have to ask not to be eaten after I'm halfway down his throat? If that's the new regime, then let this be public notice: please don't come take stuff out of my house either. Thanks. Mike, this is not aimed at you. I appreciate the laudable work you've been doing on behalf of this entire community. I'm presenting my questions and opinions to everyone on this list. I think it's important. Opt-out is an ethically bankrupt, swindling, negligent policy of pillaging and these companies want to use it because it's in their self-interest. Well it's not in mine. And it's not in yours either. Please think about the implications. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: All I was really looking for from Magnify was attribution and a link. Any word on that front? I just think it is unacceptable for them to attribute blip.tv and then leave no avenue for their viewer to make it to the rest of my work. Cheers, Ron On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give
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to ask to serve ads against my content. It doesn't mean I have to find out that you're breaking my license and then track you down and get you to stop. The burden on me to do that would break my back, let alone my spirits. How many emails would I have to send, how many phone calls would I have to make to get the offending website to stop? How long would it take them to compensate me? It's untenable. Opt-out is bogus, unethical and probably illegal. Are we really okay with this? Google is getting fried in the press. Lawsuits are being filed. Opt-out is bogus. What am I, krill to be swept up in the great big whale-y maw of some aggregator to whom I have to ask not to be eaten after I'm halfway down his throat? If that's the new regime, then let this be public notice: please don't come take stuff out of my house either. Thanks. Mike, this is not aimed at you. I appreciate the laudable work you've been doing on behalf of this entire community. I'm presenting my questions and opinions to everyone on this list. I think it's important. Opt-out is an ethically bankrupt, swindling, negligent policy of pillaging and these companies want to use it because it's in their self-interest. Well it's not in mine. And it's not in yours either. Please think about the implications. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: All I was really looking for from Magnify was attribution and a link. Any word on that front? I just think it is unacceptable for them to attribute blip.tv and then leave no avenue for their viewer to make it to the rest of my work. Cheers, Ron On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt- out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player- adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know
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That would SO do it. And to think I had Charles proofread that e-mail before I sent it out! So, yeah, apologies for that. Our current thinking is to make Magnify opt-in, rather than opt-out. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:02 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general I think part of the confusion was because you accidentally used the terms the wrong way round when talking about Magnify the other day You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player- adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to respond to each e-mail in this thread individually, or at least try to. Before doing that, though, I'd like to ensure that we have clarity around our terms, particularly the difference between opt-in and opt-out. These are terms of art that originated in the e-mail marketing space and that we're now co-opting for use in our space. They're confusingly similar, and each could easily be taken to mean the other. In my usage, when I say opt-out I mean that the default toggle is on or that permission is granted by default. This is the way that blip.tv operates when it comes to aggregation with partners who meet all or almost all of the provisions of our agreed upon best practices. When I say opt-in I mean to say that the default toggle is off or that permission is not granted by default. This is the way that blip.tv will operate with aggregators who do not meet the provisions of our best practices documents. So, to summarize, it looks like MyHeavy is going to respect all or most of the best practices provisions when it comes to aggregation from blip.tv. In exchange we're planning to make MyHeavy opt-out, meaning that permission is granted by default and that content creators must uncheck the MyHeavy aggregation box in order to prevent their videos from appearing in MyHeavy. By contrast, negotiations with Magnify are ongoing and it looks like it's possible that Magnify will not respect some of the key provisions of our best practices. For this reason we're considering the possibility of making Magnify aggregation opt-in -- meaning that users will have to explicitly choose to aggregate their videos to Magnify. My ability to speak to the Magnify discussions is fairly limited right now since I'm still working with their CEO to come to a conclusion that works well for everyone. I hope that this makes sense and clears up what I think is some level of confusion that's been introduced into this discussion. If you're interested in learning more about the origin of the terms opt-in and opt-out and their particular meanings within the e-mail marketing context, check out this excellent resource: http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=825751 Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:38 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Thanks for your thoughts Steve. Your faith in blip is understandable and I share it: they've been remarkably good brokers and advocates for this community. As I hope I communicated, my concerns are not about blip. Quite the contrary, I think they're doing everything they can to empower us. But permit me, for a moment, to argue with you a little. It is not stretching the non-commercial clause of the CC license to say that when I chose it I chose to deny anyone to whom I did not specifically grant the right to make money from my work that right. When I agreed to blip's TOS then I obviously waived those rights vis-a-vis blip. As I am offered and choose to opt-in to any other aggregators website through my blip RSS feed, then I will waive the non-commercial aspect of my license. My CC license means anyone can grab my video and play it pretty much anywhere so long as they attribute it to me. But they break that license when they stick advertising against it without my permission. Blip has
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I'm working on the CC license. I believe that with MyHeavy we're going to go to a system in which they don't aggregate anything that's been marked with a non-commercial CC license. This is still up to some discusison, though, since we will be offering blip.tv users the ability to opt in or out of their aggregation individually. They're very interested in displaying the appropriate CC license on the page, and we're working with them to make this happen. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan McLaughlin Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:01 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Yeah - get 'em all in for a videoconference. :) A long one. Jan On 1/26/07, Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With magnify.net, I think opt-in is much better. With all these aggregator sites as well, I'd love to have my CC license displayed as well since it shows up in Blip's RSS feed as well. Anyway this can happen? I'd love to get these guys in here so we could talk to them directly. Jay -Original Message- From: Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:15:17 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Wow, thanks for all the hard work and time you have spent on this. I think it is great. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jan 25, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player-adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know if these are acceptable outcomes for you, and we'll proceed with implementation with both companies. --- Mike Hudack CEO, blip.tv Office: 917-546-6989 AIM: mikehudack Read the blip.tv blog: http://blog.: http://blog.blip.tv/ blip.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links
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There's some stuff in here that I'd rather not answer, simply because it comes especially close to blip's core business strategy and every single one of our competitors (current or future, real or imagined) hangs out on this list and lurks. Suffice it to say that I generally agree with your analysis with a few key differences (not all MSM video content on the Web is repurposed, for example) and that being a supportive network for content creators is extremely important to blip.tv -- we believe that the way we distribute revenue, respect the fundamental rights of content creators and provide tools that actually empower content creators is very good for business. As far as the opt-in/opt-out business, I agree. I just want to have the ability to mark certain good actors (like AOL) as opt-out / default on both as a negotiating tool and so that we can deliver the value of the significant AOL Video network to blip.tv users, whether or not they spend the time to really browse around, read and understand the Distribution section of our Dashboard. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxanne Darling Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:14 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Thank you Mike for taking on this stuff, and applying your level-headed and intelligent resources to the task! The generic lingering issue I see is the monetization piece. If VCs continue to invest in online video sites, then somebody thinks there is good money to be made, aside from Google Ads. How that money (which is presumably related in some way to pageviews/popularity) gets distributed, is of interest to me. Was there any discussion about this piece of the puzzle? Did you talk with them about blip's policy of splitting ad revenues and if so, what were there positions? Do you think that policy helps you attract a certain quality of content that can be monetized more easily with advertisers? I see essentially four types of video content: - MSM re-purposed for internet delivery (see iTunes) - original content by the likes of us on this list - business-originated content for a b2b and b2c purpose - mostly short clips by hobbyists, kids, etc just for fun now and then Do you all (hosting sites/aggregators) talk about it in those ways and how to deal with and/or leverage each of us accordingly? I want us indies to get a piece of the pie we are helping bake. To create sustainable businesses, originality, popularity, and page views need to convert to dollars and I am interested in developing that conversation further. Related to this is whether they are changing their TOS or not. As Rupert mentioned, having opt-out as the default is a way of giving the authority to the producer rather than the aggregator. If few people opted in, due to an out-of-balance TOS or tacky site or whatever, it might incentivize the aggregators to move their business models in our direction so we can more effectively help each other succeed. ALoha and mahalo nui Mike for your good will and tireless attention. Rox On 1/26/07, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, thanks for all the hard work and time you have spent on this. I think it is great. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jan 25, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators
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I don't want to apply opt-out to an aggregator unless they agree to abide by this community's definition of best practices and actually do so. Under these circumstances, and these circumstances alone, should an aggregator be placed in a privileged position such as opt-out. Otherwise the aggregator should be placed in an opt-in scenario. A default position of opt-out is one of the most powerful negotiating tools I have in my arsenal, and it allows me to tell a company that I can give them access to a great library of content if they'll follow the rules. I have a lot of experience with the difference in user behavior between opt-in and opt-out, and I have to tell you that when something (anything) is placed in an opt-in state very few people actually go ahead and opt in. This is a good thing when an aggregator won't abide by the best practices (and we'll be sure to mention this on the Dashboard page of any aggregator that doesn't abide by them). It's a bad thing when an aggregator does follow the best practices. In my opinion aggregators that abide by the best practices are good actors and beneficial to this community. They help content creators get additional exposure, additional views, and make additional money (since there's more opportunity for advertising that actually benefits the content creator to be shown). We've spent a lot of time talking to people about this, and my view is that in these cases opt-out is appropriate, both because there's relatively little to object to and because the upside is significant. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:48 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Are we seriously okay with opt-out? A thousand aggregators take your material and use it however they want. Does anyone have the time to sift the net and sift those sites to ensure your material is being used as you have licensed it to be used? A CC, non-commercial license means you have to ask me if you can serve ads against my content. It means you can redistribute but you can't make money from doing so without further permission and so you have to ask to serve ads against my content. It doesn't mean I have to find out that you're breaking my license and then track you down and get you to stop. The burden on me to do that would break my back, let alone my spirits. How many emails would I have to send, how many phone calls would I have to make to get the offending website to stop? How long would it take them to compensate me? It's untenable. Opt-out is bogus, unethical and probably illegal. Are we really okay with this? Google is getting fried in the press. Lawsuits are being filed. Opt-out is bogus. What am I, krill to be swept up in the great big whale-y maw of some aggregator to whom I have to ask not to be eaten after I'm halfway down his throat? If that's the new regime, then let this be public notice: please don't come take stuff out of my house either. Thanks. Mike, this is not aimed at you. I appreciate the laudable work you've been doing on behalf of this entire community. I'm presenting my questions and opinions to everyone on this list. I think it's important. Opt-out is an ethically bankrupt, swindling, negligent policy of pillaging and these companies want to use it because it's in their self-interest. Well it's not in mine. And it's not in yours either. Please think about the implications. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I was really looking for from Magnify was attribution and a link. Any word on that front? I just think it is unacceptable for them to attribute blip.tv and then leave no avenue for their viewer to make it to the rest of my work. Cheers, Ron On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Mike Hudack wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy
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I think we're in 100% agreement. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:40 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general I'm having trouble following and contributing to this discussion because the posts aren't showing up in any order I can determine. Seriously. Weird. Anyway, Mike, please don't feel it necessary to respond to my earlier posts. You've explained that the opt-out/opt-in that you're discussing is vis-a-vis blip and its dashboard and RSS feeds and partners. That's fine. Blip can inform its users that certain network partners get our stuff on an opt-out basis and that's part of the TOS explicit or implicit when we use blip. I think Steve was right that there's some cross-talk and I'm sorry if I contributed to it. I'm very happy to deal with these other sites through the blip dashboard and choose my options from there. I do want folks to realize that sites pursuing an opt-out strategy outside this kind of sandbox arrangement with blip or other services we use is inappropriate. And, again, thanks for your advocacy. -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I'm going to reply to David directly in just a moment. I'd just like to point out that my ability to discuss the particular case of Magnify right now is fairly limited since negotiations with Magnify are ongoing and I don't want to jeopardize those conversations. It's kind of like lawyers negotiating a settlement or heads of state trying to end a shooting war -- you don't want to make off-handed comments to the press which may filter back into the negotiating room and change opinions, offend people, or put people in difficult positions because of the public discussion of the issue which may put pressure on people and force their hands. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of johnleeke Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:26 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business diplomacy from Mike. I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and morality of the issue, opt out simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content. They want and take our content because it has a higher value that what they have to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based on paying absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. We cannot afford it sounds pretty lame when they have million dollar budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the micro payment idea? Wern't computers supposed to make micro payments practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, then pay what they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it so we know it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with the content makers, then they don't take the content. This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from our Mommies by the time we were ten: If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it. Every particle of the conflict in this issue arises out of the fact that it appears they think they can ignore this basic tenant of our morality-based society. I think the fact that they do, or do not, show their faces in this discussion tells us a lot about their character and intent. Mike and all, thanks for the good works and thoughtful discussions. John www.HistoricHomeWorks.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Absolutely. I've been working from the discussions we've had on this list previously, including the best practices document that you, me and Bre put together during the Veoh catastrophe and with the draft I've put up on videovertigo.org at http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/, which isn't finished yet. I'd love to hear what you think of the Vertigo draft (which I sent to the list a few weeks ago), particularly in how we deal with representing Creative Commons licenses as part of the consumption experience. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Dedman Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:03 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Since we're using this list to publicly discuss these relationships between a video hosting site and aggregatorsit'd be good if we all defined what we expect when someone uses ouir videos. Jay -Original Message- From: Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:09 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general The problem that we have right now is that in some ways we're playing a game of whack-a-mole. As sites like Veoh, MyHeavy and Magnify come to our attention we have approached them and worked to solve the problem presented by their behavior. There are lots of other sites out there, and they'll only come to our attention in fits and starts. Because of the nature of the Web, particularly this fairly open Web 2.0 that we find ourselves in, we cannot go default opt-in for sites we don't know about. It's just not feasible, unfortunately, at least not using currently available technology. So we're stuck playing whack-a-mole and applying negotiation and some mix of punitive and non-punitive actions to those actors that come to our attention over time. I would like nothing more than to be able to say Don't aggregate blip.tv video and stick it on your site without the explicit permission of the content creators who use blip.tv. I can do this on a case-by-case basis, and I do so, but I can't make that fifteen year old kid in a garage who's building the next great video aggregator do this until I know about him. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:53 AM To: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Cheers, though I feel we are ever so slightly talking at cross-purposes and misunderstanding eachother on a couple of details, but not the main issues. Im basically saying that although it seems straightforward, the term 'non-commercial' is subject to interpretation. Im not saying that creative commons makes the problem any worse or that its their fault, but that they arent making that stuff any clearer. Same with blip, when I asked in the past about the nature of their partners and what non-commercial meant to them, it did not seem to be a simple 'if they are a commercial entity they are using stuff commercially' response, and even the issue of advertising (such as some simple text google ads) didnt seem to end up totally clearcut, not universal zero tolerance of ads or anything like that. I am 100% in agreement with you on the issue of having to opting-out of sites that you may not even know exist, and just how wrong that is. I am 100% with you on the issue that people can only reuse your work without permission if they stick totally to your creative commons terms. All Im saying is that there is some grey about what non-commercial means, both when it comes to creative commons, and services like blip. And that you may be giving blips partners more rights above and beyond the creative commons rights that everyone else has been granted. Here is an example of grey issue over what commercial use is. Is there any use of video by a commercial entity, that can be considered non-commercial? Network2 had no adverts, but still seemed like commercial use to some. Once the other issues such as attribution and displaying creative commons licenses, to remain complaint with creative commons terms, were sorted, do they still need to ask you to opt-in to their service, or can they really count themselves as non-commercial and so just make assumptions that creative commons covers them? Itss this sort of grey that makes opt-in the safe
[videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player-adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know if these are acceptable outcomes for you, and we'll proceed with implementation with both companies. --- Mike Hudack CEO, blip.tv Office: 917-546-6989 AIM: mikehudack Read the blip.tv blog: http://blog.blip.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
I think that defaulting to opt-out would make our negotiations harder, and I also think that a good number of people who wouldn't object to syndication to, say, AOL, would never opt in simply because it takes effort to do so. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:04 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general Good work. Would it be fairer to all parties to require an opt-in for every distribution service? A lot of people would choose to opt- in, and it's not fair to assume that people wouldn't know how, given the simplicity of the Blip interface. Or would that just annoy the aggregators and make your negotiations too hard? On 26 Jan 2007, at 10:18, Jan McLaughlin wrote: Thanks, Mike: Vlogosphere Secretary of State. Jan On 1/25/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we stand with MyHeavy and Magnify, since I've met with the CEOs both companies in the last three days. Both of the meetings were for the same purpose -- they took place because people on this list complained about the way the companies were aggregating their videos. The meeting agenda was simple: to work with these companies to allow them to meet their business goals without infringing on the copy or other rights of original content creators. Both meetings went well. MyHeavy removed aggregated video content from its site immediately after we spoke on the phone. This was an easy thing for them to do, since for them aggregation is a feature of a larger business. In the case of Magnify it's much more difficult to do this because their entire business is based on aggregation. MyHeavy is planning to bring aggregation back, but to do so in a way that conforms with the best practices that have been (I believe) largely agreed upon and endorsed by this group. Specifically, they will not include advertising in the playback experience without express permission from original content creators; they will not watermark the video; they will give credit by prominently noting the original source of the video in the form of a link to the original content creator's Web site; and they will allow content creators to control aggregation through support for the MediaRSS restriction standard (whch will be controllable through a MyHeavy aggregation control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard). Magnify continues to aggregate blip.tv video to their destination sites, and they are currently including Google AdSense advertisements on pages that include video players from other sources, including blip.tv. We are currently working with Magnify's CEO to determine how best to address this issue, since Magnify's entire business model is based on the ability to monetize aggregators through advertising. Either way, Magnify has agreed to support the MediaRSS restriction standard in the same way as MyHeavy and others. You will be able to control aggregation to Magnify through a control panel in the blip.tv Dashboard. Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are considering the possibility of making the default position for Magnify opt-out rather than opt-in (unlike providers who adhere closely to all points of the best practices). Content creators who are okay with player-adjacent AdSense advertisements because they want the extra traffic that Magnify may generate will easily be able to opt in. Please let me know if these are acceptable outcomes for you, and we'll proceed with implementation with both companies. --- Mike Hudack CEO, blip.tv Office: 917-546-6989 AIM: mikehudack Read the blip.tv blog: http://blog.blip.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] video sites that pay
Hey guys, Just so that you know the information about blip.tv in this table is about six months old, and much has changed since then. We're getting in touch with the author to make the change, in the meantime you can see our actual advertising program by clicking on the link about blip.tv in the book's comparison table. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxanne Darling Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:42 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] video sites that pay This is a good piece of work. From my cursory view Scott has done a great job synthesizing the different services, with an understanding of the mechanics and the energy behind each. Mahalo nui for posting the info Joly. Rox On 1/24/07, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a piece on Boing Boing today about a new book on the topic of video sites that pay on the web http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/23/video_websites_that_.html book: http://stores.lulu.com/kirsner sample: http://www.scottkirsner.com/webvid/gettingpaid.htm joly -- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com -- -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice?
And you work for or worked for them and are good friends with their CEO. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 23 00:46:03 2007 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice? I continue to have good experiences and get quick response whenever I make suggestions/have concerns. 2 cents -Halcyon pinkbroadcasting.com On 1/22/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've recently been contacted by a person from Veoh, saying they'd like to feature my videos at their site. Considering the Veoh brouhaha a while back it seems nice that an actual person is actually asking. Has anyone had some recent Veoh experiences they would like to relate? Is Veoh playing nice these days? Or, should I stay in my own neighborhood and play with my old regulars? John Leeke by hammer and hand great works do stand by cam and light he shoots it right [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Blip Post Private Password
Hey Ron, Right now we don't support private video or password-protected video on blip.tv because of our focus on broadcasting to the public. We try to avoid muddying the waters by adding features that may be more appropriate for other types of video sharing. That said, private video sharing is a planned feature of our pro accounts, which currently are available by invitation only and offer benefits like priority transcoding. I don't want to commit to a date for private video for pro accounts since it's not part of our core offering, but I'd say you shouldn't expect to see it for at least a month. Your project sounds really cool, and if you don't require absolute privacy you can simply mark your posts as explicit. This way no one will see your videos unless they explicitly choose to see explicit posts (let's see how many times I can say explicit in one sentence). We've found that this is often an excellent substitute for private video. Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:25 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Blip Post Private Password Hey Mike. I was wondering if there was a way to make an upload on blip private? I am testing a product for a company... aw hell... might as well... Shameless Pimpage: Pawsitive Vybe ( http://pawsitivevybe.com ) is testing the Flashflight Dog Discuit ( http://www.flashflight.com ), an LED lit flying disc for dogs. Feel free to check out a Soupy Disc Jam Special Suprise (Dog Discuit) video: http://blip.tv/file/136521 . I have let some of my dogs work the disc over a bit and would like to send them the results via video. Of course I can post it to one of my sites, but I was wondering if there was a 'post private' or 'post w/password' function on blip. And if there is not, could or should there be? It might be a simple way to enable pay subscriptions. An easy to manage subscription mod would be very nice. I would imagine that many video bloggers could do well with that. A password system where the content creator can change and update the code to ensure that important or otherwise valuable pieces of work are making the money that they are worth. That would be handy for me and my big 2007 Project: Art of K9disc DVD Training Series. I could release without the overhead of pro DVD creation. I could release DVD length instruction, or I could break it down into individual lessons . I could Add and subtract pieces as my knowledge changes, I develop a new techniques, or come up with a new way of teaching something. I would still offer my normal bits and pieces that I am doing now, I really like doing training and performance videos, but there is so much stuff I am not posting because it is too valuable to just give away. Just kind of thinking out loud here, but it seems to me as if this would be a cool idea for many video bloggers. Cheers, Ron Watson Pawsitive Vybe http://pawsitivevybe.com Elsewhere On the Web: http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Permalinks and download tracking? How do I do that?
Hey Bill,
This is indeed pretty easy to do. We do it for a number of reasons,
from collecting statistical information to finding the most appropriate
server to deliver the video from, which means that our code for doing
this is pretty complicated. Your code can probably be much simpler.
I'm not really a php programmer (I'm more of a perl guy), but this kind
of form should work for you assuming you have a call style like
http://mywebsite.com/video.php?video=bar.mpg:
?php
$videos['foo.mpg'] = 'http://bar.baz/foo.mpg';
$videos['bar.mpg'] = 'http://foo.baz/bar.mpg';
// Do what you want to collect data, et cetera
header('Location: ' . $videos[$_GET['video']];
?
You should probably consider this pseudo code and not actual code, since
my recollection of php syntax and variable instantiation is pretty
rusty. One thing to keep in mind is that you cannot output anything
from your php script prior to calling the header() function -- if it
isn't the first thing you call that produces output your script will
break with an ugly HTML Web page with a big bold error message in the
middle of it.
Yours,
Mike
Co-founder CEO, blip.tv
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billshackelford
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:39 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Permalinks and download tracking?
How do I do that?
Blip.tv has permalinks like this:
http://blip.tv/file/get/Bshack-PopPopPop659.m4v
When you click on it, it will redirect to the actual file
location. When it redirects it also gathers information about
you for stats. The above link will work in itunes even with
the redirects.
How do they do that? I could I do that with PHP?
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RE: [videoblogging] Permalinks and download tracking? How do I do that?
Andreas, you don't need to set Content-type to video/mpg, in fact I
believe that doing so is destructive.
The actual content returned in the redirect response is either
text/plain or text/html, and NOT video/mpg. When the browser follows
the redirect and requests the actual video file it will receive the
proper content-type from the server, presumably video/mpg. If you set
your redirect response to video/mpg and send it to a browser that
doesn't support redirects for some odd reason the user is going to get a
really weird looking page, maybe even a video player without a video.
So don't set the content type explicitly. PHP or Apache will handle
this for you, returning either text/html or text/plain depending on the
format of the The file you have requested has temporarily moved to...
message.
Yours,
Mike
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas
Haugstrup Pedersen
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:10 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Permalinks and download
tracking? How do I do that?
Your syntax is spot on. It's only lacking one crucial thing.
Per default PHP is sent as text/html so along with the
Location header you need to send the correct content-type
header (to build on your example):
header('Content-type: video/mpg');
header('Location: '.$videos[$_GET['video']]);
And since Mike was writing pseudocode you also need to add
your own input checking (e.g. throw a 404 if the video isn't
found) and so on.
As Mike demonstrated the difficult bit is not sending the
headers. It's deciding what kind of stats you want to save
and then building the database scripts to deal with it.
- Andreas
Den 23.01.2007 kl. 14:47 skrev Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey Bill,
This is indeed pretty easy to do. We do it for a number of
reasons,
from collecting statistical information to finding the most
appropriate server to deliver the video from, which means that our
code for doing this is pretty complicated. Your code can
probably be much simpler.
I'm not really a php programmer (I'm more of a perl guy), but this
kind of form should work for you assuming you have a call style like
http://mywebsite.com/video.php?video=bar.mpg:
?php
$videos['foo.mpg'] = 'http://bar.baz/foo.mpg';
$videos['bar.mpg'] = 'http://foo.baz/bar.mpg';
// Do what you want to collect data, et cetera
header('Location: ' . $videos[$_GET['video']]; ?
You should probably consider this pseudo code and not actual code,
since my recollection of php syntax and variable instantiation is
pretty rusty. One thing to keep in mind is that you cannot output
anything from your php script prior to calling the header()
function
-- if it isn't the first thing you call that produces output your
script will break with an ugly HTML Web page with a big bold error
message in the middle of it.
Yours,
Mike
Co-founder CEO, blip.tv
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billshackelford
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:39 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Permalinks and download tracking?
How do I do that?
Blip.tv has permalinks like this:
http://blip.tv/file/get/Bshack-PopPopPop659.m4v
When you click on it, it will redirect to the actual file
location.
When it redirects it also gathers information about you for stats.
The above link will work in itunes even with the redirects.
How do they do that? I could I do that with PHP?
Yahoo! Groups Links
--
Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice?
For those of you who send blip support e-mail to the videoblogging list, please check out our user group (it's a yahoo group called blip-users) or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] The videoblogging list is absolutely NOT the forum for blip support requests. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew michael baron Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:06 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice? I know a lot of people here use blip and I love you guys for that but still, its only a tiny fraction of this list. It would be great to see all of the everyday technical problems with service discussed on your website instead of this one. Thanks for the consideration, Drew Sent via CrackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:36:33 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice? And you work for or worked for them and are good friends with their CEO. - Original Message - From: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Jan 23 00:46:03 2007 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice? I continue to have good experiences and get quick response whenever I make suggestions/have concerns. 2 cents -Halcyon pinkbroadcasting.com On 1/22/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mailto:johnleeke%40historichomeworks.com omeworks.com wrote: I've recently been contacted by a person from Veoh, saying they'd like to feature my videos at their site. Considering the Veoh brouhaha a while back it seems nice that an actual person is actually asking. Has anyone had some recent Veoh experiences they would like to relate? Is Veoh playing nice these days? Or, should I stay in my own neighborhood and play with my old regulars? John Leeke by hammer and hand great works do stand by cam and light he shoots it right [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
