Re: An Aria Update

[Eric Oyen]

And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if 
I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). 
Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and 
discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, 
I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but 
I do read a lot.

Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, 
but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the 
opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have 
solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device 
(data tablet) I have.

As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and 
Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard 
to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when 
it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind.

However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought 
support info elsewhere.

Thanks for the help, support and information folks.

-Eric


> On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley  
> wrote:
> 
> Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree.  
> Please do not  take your marbles and go home  just because you have a 
> different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, 
> remember how well this list has been run for many years. 
> 
> Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the 
> current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow 
> suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. 
> 
> Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Marie N,
>> I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I 
>> choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its 
>> promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating 
>> visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their 
>> phone.
>> No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. 
>> No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed.
>> I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this 
>> exclusion.
>> If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. > > wrote:
>> 
>>> This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my 
>>> opinion,  a promotion of Aira.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: An Aria Update
>>> 
>>> One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you"
>>> Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a 
>>> list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life 
>>> easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel 
>>> threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career 
>>> educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and 
>>> charged pennies for it.
>>> Promoting Aira  in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product 
>>> among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long 
>>> run.
>>> 
>>> It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time 
>>> for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to 
>>> the BlindPhone list!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your 
>>> posts to this list.
>>> 
>>> RegardsReg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Tom Rash
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>>> 
>>> Jonathan:
>>> I've been on this list as long as you have.  I appreciate and have learned 
>>> much from you and other contributors to the list.
>>> Computers and iPhones are great.  They even come wih delete keys.
>>> I'll be joining the blind phones list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: Who can tell me about using Twitter???

[Eric Oyen]

Well, exactly what issues are you having?

I use the twitter app on my iPhone for those times when I need access to 
certain functions that aren’t available via the 3rd party apps that I use on 
the Mac machine I have. I don’t much like using the twitter app on the phone 
because it never presents the feed in a chronological pattern and is chock full 
of promoted advertisements and suggestions that I don’t want.

Anyway, if you have questions, don’t hesitate to ask.

-Eric


> On Jan 14, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone;
> For some odd reason I am having trouble using Twitter.
> Are there any podcasts or can someone tell me how to use this app?
> Thank you in advance 
> God bless
> Anthony
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
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Re: New Facebook behavior with screen readers and pictures

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
It’s not exactly old news. However, there have been some refinements to the 
technology.

And yes, being in the dark is still a bad joke! (GROAN) :)

-Eric


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> So maybe it’s been around for a bit, but I barely noticed it first on the FB 
> iOS app and now while browsing FB on my PC with Firefox and Chrome, but it 
> looks like VoiceOver and Jaws at least are reading the included text in image 
> postings. I know one could always add the alt text, but at least for the few 
> memes and pictures my friend’s and family are posting, I don’t have to do 
> anything special. The text is simply being read. In iOS it was kind of a 
> hassle since you had to first save the picture to your camera roll then 
> navigate to the photos app then use the Seeing AI app to recognize text only 
> to find out that the picture you saved was just of someone’s dog with the 
> word woof on it or something like that. Jaws was way more hit and miss if you 
> were lucky. 
> Is anyone else seeing this as the saying goes or have I been in the dark and 
> this is simply old news?  
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Re: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

[Eric Oyen]

Wait till you start using the 60Ghz 10 Gbps capable mesh units that should be 
getting marketed next year. QWualcomm introduced their new chips with this 
capability a few days ago. The only real issue I see with such short 
wavelengths (millimeter waves) is that they can be easily blocked by a sheet 
rock wall or brick even thick enough cardboard. Still, if you have a mesh 
network setup outside, then having other units within 100 feet could make for a 
very fast neighborhood network. :)

-Eric


> On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a second generation Eero with two extenders for a 3300 SQFT house. 
> Run two businesses out of it. 4k, TV, regular HD TVs, Fire Sticks/Fire TVs, 
> Ring Video Pro, desktop/laptops/wireless printer, iOS devices, etc. The one 
> thing we really don’t do are all that smart speaker/home automation  stuff 
> and yeah, Once you go mesh, you never go back. My TPLink triband AC router is 
> sitting in the closet collecting dust wondering what it did wrong.
> The one issue I’m still having is that my Ring Video still hangs when trying 
> to answer an alert. I really haven’t tried figuring it out though. My signal 
> in the garage where all my workout stuff is solid and I can get my Netflix on 
> and Pandora out to my heart’s content back there all I want while on the 
> treadmill or bike or whatever. My garage is further than where the Ring and 
> front door is so who nows.
> Anyway . . . yes, a Mesh system for serious connectivity really is the future.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I thought I briefly share this experience. I recently bought two Netgear Orbi 
> mesh routers, one Home edition and one Pro/Business edition for my retail 
> store.
> Nowadays having a robust WiFi network is essential especially if you have 
> some home automation devices and are moving towards more home automation. 
> Things like the ring Video Doorbell or Skybell HD Video Doorbell are 
> installed outside the house and even in a relatively normal sized home the 
> WiFi signal outside the fron tdoor may not be the best if the router is 
> located in the office on the other end of the house as it is the case for our 
> house. Of course at my retail store the problem is worse since it is quite a 
> bit larger, it has two floors and the outside of the wall in back has metal 
> siding which doesn’t help the signal. I had a traditional WiFi extender 
> before and while it is set up upstairs right against the outside wall and the 
> Ring Video Doorbell is basically just below it and maybe 10 feet over, we had 
> nothing but issues and even standing outside with my phone I often only 
> showed 1 bar on the WiFi.
> So, 2 days ago the Netgear Orbi home came, I purchased the version which 
> comes with 1 satellite and in the description it says that this package 
> should be good for a home up to 5000 sqft. Our house is significantly 
> smaller, but I set up the main unit near the modem where our fibre connection 
> terminates which is in the office at the very back of the house and it’s 
> about in the middle when you look at the house from left to right. The 
> satellite I put in the kitchen which overlooks the entry hall, it’s probably 
> about 35 or so feet from the main unit and all the way on one side of the 
> house. This unit is also only maybe 10 feet away from our entertainment stand 
> with the TV, our Apple TV and my wife’s TV box for getting The Filipino 
> Channel. It is also super close to the front door where our video doorbell is 
> and just outside the wall is our deck off the kitchen.
> After I finally figured out how to configure the routers we are now getting 3 
> out of 3 bars everywhere in the house as well as outside both on the deck, in 
> front and in the backyard and suddenly it is actually quite quick and easy to 
> answer the Ring Video Doorbell which before often would just sit there saying 
> “Loading”. I had a Netgear Nighthawk X6 AC3200 router before which is a very 
> high-end unit with 6 antennas, but it doesn’t even come close to the 
> performance of the Netgear Orbi.
> The Orbi has an app which is quite accessible and the web interface where you 
> can do quite a lot more is also very accessible from what I have seen so far. 
> The main unit has 4 ports, one is your Internet connection where you connect 
> it to your ADSL, cable or fibre modem and there are 3 ports to hook up 
> devices. I am using one for our Philips Hue bridge, another to plug in one of 
> my Sonos players and I am currently not using the third, at some point I plan 
> to get a NAS unit for at home and then I’ll need it for that. The satellite 
> unit which looks identical has also 4 ports, all are ethernet ports where you 
> can plug stuff in if you want.
> Here at home I use 

Re: Another Great Face ID Failure Story, I Can't Get Enough of Them, (Smile)

[Eric Oyen]

It’s a 7. I keep putting the S in there (old habit from the 5S I have sitting 
on the desk next to the 7.

The “TracPhone” is a Brand of subsidized smartphone (originally called an 
“ObamaPhone”) is a cheap, medium powered set of Android devices. The room mates 
have a couple (one even uses his as a TV remote!).

-Eric


> On Sep 23, 2018, at 10:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is a Tracphone?
> Also, I assume you meant to say that you have an iPhone 6S since there is no 
> 7S.
> I have a 6S Plus and plan to keep it for at least this coming year, it would 
> be the fourth year, maybe I'll even keep it for a fifth year, all depends on 
> what Apple comes up with next fall and what else I want to spend money on. Of 
> course if I win in the lotterie I'll buy an iPhone XS the next day just 
> because, but it's rather unlikely although somebody did just win a million 
> bucks in my little town of just over 5,000 people.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Eric 
> Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 9:46 PM
> To: Visually impaired phone users 
> Subject: Re: Another Great Face ID Failure Story, I Can't Get Enough of Them, 
> (Smile)
> 
> Yep. Dependence on technology that only works some of the time can be a real 
> headache. Oh, and Face ID can’t contend with a totally blind person the right 
> way (it’s that stupid attention filter). Still, having a passcode is still 
> the old fallback.
> 
> Btw, I run an iPhone 7S here. I don’t have the funds to upgrade any further 
> and if the phone ceases to be of use, I will end up buying a tracphone at the 
> local Walmart for about $50. Then I can port over my number and call it good.
> 
> Sure, the iPhone has a lot of neat features, a very secure (mostly) App Store 
> and all of that, but it’s way too pricey to continue upgrading.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> If you go back 5 years you can read the same sort of stories about the then 
>> new Touch Id.
>> Fingerprint scanners of course have been around on various laptops, 
>> electronic doors and so on for a lot longer, but it's also interesting that 
>> until Apple came out with Touch Id they never worked very reliably. I 
>> remember I once bought a fingerprint deadbolt for my front door and man was 
>> I sometimes cursing when I was standing there in the cold trying to unlock 
>> my door only to finally dig out the good old key and of course fingerprint 
>> doorlocks have all but disappeared.
>> Yes, Touch Id on the iPhone especially the second generation  Touch Id on 
>> the 6S and up (5S and iPhone SE have first generation Touch Id) works well 
>> if it does work, but as I said in my other message, it only works well if 
>> your little fingers don't see a lot of manual labour.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Another Great Face ID Failure Story, I Can't Get Enough
>> of Them, (Smile)
>> 
>> This is one of the main reasons I went with the 8 instead of the newer
>> phones. I was almost sold on the stereo recording, but we know how
>> that went. So I'll be able to hang on to my finger print iPhone 8 for
>> a couple of years. By then maybe they will have advanced face ID since
>> they are forcing face ID on us.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/23/2018 6:05 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As you may know, I am not yet sold on the reliability of Face ID.
>>> 
>>> A sighted friend of mine, a big, big big fan of Face ID is always
>>> telling me how much he loves Face ID and how well it works for him;
>>> to which I always reply, "Good for you."
>>> 
>>> Well, he recently purchased the 10 S Max along with a new garage door
>>> opener which is supposed to be activated via Face ID, when he approaches 
>>> his home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Last night, he called me at approximately 11:30pm.  Since it was so
>>> late, I feared that he had some kind of family emergency but no; he
>>> called complaining that he could not get into his garage using his
>>> iPhone because Face ID would not recognize him in the dark, in his
>>> motorcycle helmet as his bike approached.  He said, to his dismay,
>>> even when he took his helmet off, the phone would not recognize him in the 
>>> dark.
>>> 
>>> I could not stop laughing.  I don't know why he called me as 

Re: Another Great Face ID Failure Story, I Can't Get Enough of Them, (Smile)

[Eric Oyen]

Yep. Dependence on technology that only works some of the time can be a real 
headache. Oh, and Face ID can’t contend with a totally blind person the right 
way (it’s that stupid attention filter). Still, having a passcode is still the 
old fallback.

Btw, I run an iPhone 7S here. I don’t have the funds to upgrade any further and 
if the phone ceases to be of use, I will end up buying a tracphone at the local 
Walmart for about $50. Then I can port over my number and call it good.

Sure, the iPhone has a lot of neat features, a very secure (mostly) App Store 
and all of that, but it’s way too pricey to continue upgrading.

-Eric


> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you go back 5 years you can read the same sort of stories about the then 
> new Touch Id.
> Fingerprint scanners of course have been around on various laptops, 
> electronic doors and so on for a lot longer, but it's also interesting that 
> until Apple came out with Touch Id they never worked very reliably. I 
> remember I once bought a fingerprint deadbolt for my front door and man was I 
> sometimes cursing when I was standing there in the cold trying to unlock my 
> door only to finally dig out the good old key and of course fingerprint 
> doorlocks have all but disappeared.
> Yes, Touch Id on the iPhone especially the second generation  Touch Id on the 
> 6S and up (5S and iPhone SE have first generation Touch Id) works well if it 
> does work, but as I said in my other message, it only works well if your 
> little fingers don't see a lot of manual labour.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another Great Face ID Failure Story, I Can't Get Enough of Them, 
> (Smile)
> 
> This is one of the main reasons I went with the 8 instead of the newer
> phones. I was almost sold on the stereo recording, but we know how that
> went. So I'll be able to hang on to my finger print iPhone 8 for a
> couple of years. By then maybe they will have advanced face ID since
> they are forcing face ID on us.
> 
> 
> On 9/23/2018 6:05 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As you may know, I am not yet sold on the reliability of Face ID.
>> 
>> A sighted friend of mine, a big, big big fan of Face ID is always telling me
>> how much he loves Face ID and how well it works for him; to which I always
>> reply, "Good for you."
>> 
>> Well, he recently purchased the 10 S Max along with a new garage door opener
>> which is supposed to be activated via Face ID, when he approaches his home.
>> 
>> 
>> Last night, he called me at approximately 11:30pm.  Since it was so late, I
>> feared that he had some kind of family emergency but no; he called
>> complaining that he could not get into his garage using his iPhone because
>> Face ID would not recognize him in the dark, in his motorcycle helmet as his
>> bike approached.  He said, to his dismay, even when he took his helmet off,
>> the phone would not recognize him in the dark.
>> 
>> I could not stop laughing.  I don't know why he called me as we have not
>> spoken in quite some time but I suspect that he just wanted to vent to
>> someone who would care either one way or the other.
>> 
>> What made me laugh even harder was the fact that he had been so confident in
>> Face ID on the new phone that he decided not to purchase a remote control
>> for the garage door system.
>> 
>> He was so angry at Face ID and the phone that he could not let it go.
>> (smile)
>> 
>> He sent me a text, today, telling me that he purchased a remote control for
>> the opener.
>> 
>> Just another great Face ID failure story, I can't get enough of them,  (Big
>> Smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: trying this again: navigating a web dialog in Amazon

[Eric Oyen]

You hadn’t previously mentioned that it was also a problem on the website. Is 
there any way you can pull a screen capture video of the issue on the website?


-Eric


> On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Wayne Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> How do I navigate a web dialog in the Amazon app and on their website?  open 
> my lists, this invite others dialog box pops up and I cannot get out of it. I 
> double tap the unlabeled buttons and nothing happens. I have to have someone 
> sighted get me out of it. I am having this same problem both on the website 
> and in the Amazon app. I am running latest version of IOS and using a Focus 
> 14 Blue 4th generation braille display. Your help be greatly appreciated. 
> Wayne
> 
> Chime bear
> musical notesbear face
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Please Join Me in Requesting that a new iOS Amazon App VoiceOver List Viewing Bug Be Resolved ASAP

[Eric Oyen]

I had posted a response via the other thread. Still, I should probably post the 
same here.

A suggestion:
Post a review via the review system in the App Store. Rate it as 0 stars, title 
it as accessibility bug issue, and in the body, describe the bug and request 
something be done about it.

Additionally (and this thought just occurred to me: share a link to that review 
on twitter (and include @amazon and the Ceo of amazon in the tweet) and also 
share a link on there to the facebook page for amazon (as well as on your own 
timeline). This will make the problem *very* visible to the public and force 
amazon to have to deal with the issue on an expidited patch cycle. If your 
posts get deleted, repost them. Keep bugging until something gets done.

Btw, this is the method I have used in the past to get other vendors to behave 
properly

Btw, I don’t know if it’s possible, but if you can pull a screen recording in 
real time of the issue happening and then post it in addition, it will leave 
very little doubt that there is a problem. Amazon (and others) can dismiss 
text, but it’s a lot more difficult to explain away video.

-Eric


> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:09 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In case you have not yet noticed, when a user attempts to view saved
> shopping/wish lists in the Amazon App, an Invitation dialog box now appears
> which prevents VoiceOver users from accessing any saved lists or any items
> on any of those lists.  This is most annoying, to say the least.
> 
> Please join me in requesting that Amazon resolve this issue as soon as
> possible.
> 
> I have written both a bug report and a tweet regarding this problem.  Please
> feel free to use any or all of my words in your submissions.
> 
> Submit your request as an app review in the App Store, send a direct email
> to customer service at
> cs-re...@amazon.com, send a direct message to the developers on twitter at
> @AmazonHelp, and tweet Amazon on twitter at @Amazon.
> 
> Okay, I will paste in both my tweet and bug report, below:
> 
> [BEGIN BUG REPORT]:
> Subject:  Major Accessibility iOS Amazon App VoiceOver Bug Regarding The
> Visually Impaired Viewing Saved Amazon Lists
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As of today, Friday, August 31, 2018, those using VoiceOver, Apple's
> software screen reading solution for the blind and low vision, in order to
> access the latest version of the iOS Amazon app, cannot access any of their
> saved shopping/wish lists.
> 
> To reproduce this bug:
> 
> 1.
> With the latest version of iOS installed on the device, make certain that
> VoiceOver is enabled.
> 
> 2.
> Open the Amazon app.
> 
> 3.
> Select the Navigation Menu, located near the upper left corner of the
> display.
> 
> 4.
> Select Your Lists.  A dialog box appears, as an overlay, suggesting that the
> user invite others to add or remove items from lists.  When this invitation
> dialog box appears, a VoiceOver user can neither dismiss the invitation
> suggestion dialog box nor navigate away from it in order to access any
> lists.  Currently, the only workaround is to disable VoiceOver, which a
> blind person would not do, dismiss the dialog box using standard iOS
> gestures, then re-enable VoiceOver.  Assuming that this work around has been
> employed, continue to the next step.
> 
> 5.
> With the invitation dialog box dismissed and VoiceOver once again enabled,
> select View Lists.
> 
> 6.
> Select a private list to which you have previously  saved items.  A dialog
> box appears, as an overlay, suggesting that the user invite others to add or
> remove items from lists.  When this invitation dialog box appears, a
> VoiceOver user can neither dismiss the invitation suggestion dialog box nor
> navigate away from it in order to access any items on the list.  Currently,
> the only workaround is to disable VoiceOver, which a blind person would not
> do, dismiss the dialog box using standard iOS gestures, then re-enable
> VoiceOver.
> 
> I fervently request that this significant iOS Amazon app VoiceOver bug be
> resolved as soon as possible.
> [END BUG REPORT]:
> 
> [BEGIN TWEET]:
> In the latest version of #iOS @Amazon app, the #VisuallyImpaired, using
> #VoiceOver, can't view saved lists when the invitation dialog box appears.
> I'm asking the AppDevs to fix this bug ASAP. @AmazonHelp
> [END TWEET]:
> 
> Thank you all for your help on this one,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Workaround for Amazon app bug was RE: navigating a web dialog in Amazon

[Eric Oyen]

Also,
You might file a review on the app review system in the App Store, rate it as 0 
stars, title it as accessibility bug and fill in details. Because this will 
make the reports publicly visible, amazon might not get a choice in putting 
this off. The more negative reviews, the faster they will have to address it.

Just a thought (I have done this to other vendors on the App Store and it’s 
amazing how fast they pay attention).

-Eric


> On Sep 1, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I totally agree we should report this bug to Amazon en masse but until it is 
> corrected, I have a workaround that seems to get past the web dialog box 
> hangup. Here's what I do:
>  
> 1.  Execute the Show Navigation Menu button.
> 2.  Execute the Your Lists button.
> 3.  Turn off Voiceover with either a quick three times press of the home 
> button or by asking Siri to turn it off.
> 4.  Touch the screen about a third of the way down from the top. I'm not 
> usually a fan of doing such a thing because of the chance you could touch and 
> execute some action button but with a list of your lists, this hasn't caused 
> me an issue.
> 5.  Turn Voiceover back on.
>  
> The above workaround will allow you to navigate your lists in the usual way 
> but when you exit the process and come back to them later, you'll have to 
> start the workaround all over again.
>  
> Hopefully Amazon will get this corrected with the next release if enough of 
> us report it.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 12:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: navigating a web dialog in Amazon
>  
> Hello Wayne,
>  
> I trust that you saw my subsequent thread on this issue. With the subject 
> line of:
> "Please Join Me in Requesting that a new iOS Amazon App VoiceOver List 
> Viewing Bug Be Resolved ASAP."
>  
> In short, currently, there is no way to dismiss the invitation dialog box 
> with VoiceOver enabled.  
>  
> Please follow the instructions in the above mentioned thread in order to send 
> immediate feedback to Amazon.
>  
> Quite frankly, I am so very disappointed in Amazon.  For a company of its 
> size and magnitude of influence to introduce such a significant accessibility 
> obstacle, is, after all these years, unbelievable.  
>  
> This is why we, as a community, must remain vigilant at all times.
>  
> Mark
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]  
> On Behalf Of Wayne Scott
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: navigating a web dialog in Amazon
>  
>  
> How do I navigate a web dialog box in Amazon? Every time I go to my lists, 
> this invite dialog box comes up and I can never get out of it.  I am running 
> the latest version of IOS and using a Focus 14 Blue 4th generation braille 
> display. Your help would be greatly appreciated. I try double tapping on the 
> unlabeled buttons, but nothing happens. Wayne Chime bear musical notesbear 
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Re: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?

[Eric Oyen]

at that time, I didn't know about the accessibility access dept. It wasn't long 
after that when I found out.

These days, that is the first phone call I make after doing all the 
troubleshooting here at home.

-eric

On May 5, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

> Have you ever started with Apple Accessibility when placing a claim?
>  
> I worked with them on an iPad Mini that couldn’t maintain a connection to 
> Wi-Fi.  After trying everything including going to an Apple store and having 
> them reinstall the operating system, it still wasn’t working correctly.
> When I called Apple Accessibility again, he authorized a replacement for the 
> iPad Mini.
> And, it was 3 months beyond the warrantee.
>  
> I had one other claim on an iPod Touch 5th generation that wouldn’t hold a 
> charge properly and the store simply replaced it.  Both of these things 
> happened a few years ago.
>  
> 
> I haven’t needed it since.  But, I think it was worth having it just in case.
> 
>  
> 
> Now, I’ve not tried to have them replace a pair of earphones, so I can’t 
> speak to that specificly.
> 
>  
> 
> Richard
> 
> .
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 9:57 AM
> To: VIPhone Email List 
> Subject: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I've always been a major proponent of purchasing AppleCare Plus when buying a 
> new iPhone. My reasoning is that these devices are not inexpensive and since 
> they are constantly being carried around, the opportunity for accidents or 
> physical wear and tear is fairly substantial. I'm starting to have second 
> thoughts after my last two experiences filing a warranty claim under 
> AppleCare Plus.
>  
> I've posted on this list about an issue I'm having with my wired Apple 
> earpods and thanks to comments on this list was able to confirm that the 
> microphone on those earpods was starting to fail. I initiated over the phone 
> an AppleCare claim to get a replacement pair of earpods earlier this morning. 
> This was the second such claim for replacement earpods because the pair I'm 
> having replaced now were a replacement in January, 2018. My understanding is 
> that you qualify for two such earpod replacements under AppleCare Plus. I 
> can't tell you how frustrating it was to get this claim filed. The initial 
> person I spoke with had difficulty distinguishing my wired earpods from the 
> very expensive Airpods and had to be corrected when she set up the claim 
> incorrectly. She asked me to turn off Find my iPhone which I'm pretty sure is 
> unnecessary when doing a warranty claim on a $30 retail item. She ended up 
> putting me on hold for about 10 minutes at which point I terminated the call 
> and started over. The next guy I spoke with was a bit better but ended up 
> transferring me to a Senior Advisor for some reason. When the Senior Advisor 
> came on, she started talking about my Airpods claim. By this point, I was 
> getting pretty frustrated and again explained that this was a DIY claim for a 
> pair of $30 wired Earpods under my AppleCare, not for wireless Airpods. She 
> then came back and said the claim required a $30 shipping charge. I told her 
> she was incorrect and that the item cost $30 at retail with no shipping if I 
> purchased it new from Apple Online. She again came back an said she couldn't 
> waive the $30 shipping charge. I must admit that I was losing my patience by 
> this point but went on in a somewhat louder voice that the way these DIY 
> claims had always worked in the past was that Appple would take my credit 
> card info, send the replacement item, provide me with a return shipping label 
> that I could use with their turnaround envelope, and then credit me back the 
> hold on my credit card when I returned the defective item. I strongly 
> emphasized that I wondered if paying $130 for AppleCare Plus was worth it if 
> I had to pull teeth to file a couple of warranty claims for a $30 item that 
> probably cost Apple no more than $18. Finally, she said she did something 
> different and the claim was now showing correctly that a hold would be placed 
> on my credit card and cancelled when I returned the defective item and that 
> no shipping charge would apply. She was not able to answer me when I asked 
> her what she had done differently. It almost sounded as if she had refreshed 
> her screen or some such thing.
>  
> After spending at least 45 minutes on the phone getting this claim filed, I 
> thought I'd write here to find out what others have experienced with 
> AppleCare claims. I've had great success in the past but the last two I've 
> filed for defective wired earpods replacement have not gone well. I don't 
> know if 

Re: AppleCare Plus Still Worth It? What's Your Experience?

[Eric Oyen]

you are not alone in this regard. I had to fight tooth and nail to get my last 
iPhone replaced (the battery had expanded and popped off the display). The 
device was still under applecare warrantee, but they tried to have me pay for a 
new device. 

After 3 or 4 people and 2 supervisors, I finally threatened to take the next 
call and broadcast it via Facebook in live mode. Apparently, this got someones 
attention as they suddenly became a lot more agreeable and actually sent me out 
a replacement device at no charge. btw, I had snapped pix of the display and 
it's separation from the body of the phone for my records. 

Now, I didn't like having to threaten to create negative publicity, but after 4 
hours going round and round with the applecare folks, it was my last resort 
choice. I hope I never have to go through it again. btw, that was 3 years ago 
and from what I see here, they still have some incompetent folks working their 
call center.

-eric

On May 5, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

> Hi List,
>  
> I've always been a major proponent of purchasing AppleCare Plus when buying a 
> new iPhone. My reasoning is that these devices are not inexpensive and since 
> they are constantly being carried around, the opportunity for accidents or 
> physical wear and tear is fairly substantial. I'm starting to have second 
> thoughts after my last two experiences filing a warranty claim under 
> AppleCare Plus.
>  
> I've posted on this list about an issue I'm having with my wired Apple 
> earpods and thanks to comments on this list was able to confirm that the 
> microphone on those earpods was starting to fail. I initiated over the phone 
> an AppleCare claim to get a replacement pair of earpods earlier this morning. 
> This was the second such claim for replacement earpods because the pair I'm 
> having replaced now were a replacement in January, 2018. My understanding is 
> that you qualify for two such earpod replacements under AppleCare Plus. I 
> can't tell you how frustrating it was to get this claim filed. The initial 
> person I spoke with had difficulty distinguishing my wired earpods from the 
> very expensive Airpods and had to be corrected when she set up the claim 
> incorrectly. She asked me to turn off Find my iPhone which I'm pretty sure is 
> unnecessary when doing a warranty claim on a $30 retail item. She ended up 
> putting me on hold for about 10 minutes at which point I terminated the call 
> and started over. The next guy I spoke with was a bit better but ended up 
> transferring me to a Senior Advisor for some reason. When the Senior Advisor 
> came on, she started talking about my Airpods claim. By this point, I was 
> getting pretty frustrated and again explained that this was a DIY claim for a 
> pair of $30 wired Earpods under my AppleCare, not for wireless Airpods. She 
> then came back and said the claim required a $30 shipping charge. I told her 
> she was incorrect and that the item cost $30 at retail with no shipping if I 
> purchased it new from Apple Online. She again came back an said she couldn't 
> waive the $30 shipping charge. I must admit that I was losing my patience by 
> this point but went on in a somewhat louder voice that the way these DIY 
> claims had always worked in the past was that Appple would take my credit 
> card info, send the replacement item, provide me with a return shipping label 
> that I could use with their turnaround envelope, and then credit me back the 
> hold on my credit card when I returned the defective item. I strongly 
> emphasized that I wondered if paying $130 for AppleCare Plus was worth it if 
> I had to pull teeth to file a couple of warranty claims for a $30 item that 
> probably cost Apple no more than $18. Finally, she said she did something 
> different and the claim was now showing correctly that a hold would be placed 
> on my credit card and cancelled when I returned the defective item and that 
> no shipping charge would apply. She was not able to answer me when I asked 
> her what she had done differently. It almost sounded as if she had refreshed 
> her screen or some such thing.
>  
> After spending at least 45 minutes on the phone getting this claim filed, I 
> thought I'd write here to find out what others have experienced with 
> AppleCare claims. I've had great success in the past but the last two I've 
> filed for defective wired earpods replacement have not gone well. I don't 
> know if this is a trend with the support reps who are fielding these calls 
> but I thought I should ask the group. I try very hard to communicate clearly 
> to avoid confusion and I'm pretty sure the problem is with the listening on 
> the other end as opposed to what I'm saying on my end. Are others having good 
> experiences when talking with AppleCare folks on the phone? Is there a better 
> way to initiate one of these claims perhaps by using the Apple Support app or 
> online with a computer and a web browser?
>  
> Thanks for 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

yeah, that is the problem with a text only media. no real way to tell proper 
humor. It's a lot like my phone. the only time it's funny is when it thinks 
that it is traveling around in a loop at 672 mph (all the while, standing 
still). btw, it takes sound 1.0710275 seconds to travel 1000 feet, so for 2 
seconds, it thinks it's going from 1000 feet west of me to 1000 feet east of 
me.  that's just slow enough for me to read it in real time on one of the GPS 
apps while connected to my braille sense U2. It gets fun watching those numbers 
move around real fast.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Jewel wrote:

> eric!  As is my wont, I was being just a bit, such a tiny bit, tongue in 
> cheekish!
>  
> Jewel
> 
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> me? modest? surely! you must be kidding! :)
> 
> Honestly, I can tell you I am nowhere near modest. I am not quite sure if I 
> am self effacing either. Do I actually sound that way?
> 
> anyway, back to blind groups, etc. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:PM, Jewel wrote:
> 
>> Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!
>>  
>>  Jewel  
>> 
>> From: Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: where am I
>> 
>> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
>> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's 
>> spectrum. It's also probably why it is that I am so good at technology 
>> related items. 
>> 
>> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on 
>> the daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
>> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
>> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting 
>> math problem. :)
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> That was intended to be a joke!   
>>> 
>>> ****
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand 
>>> off" to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to 
>>> the sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle 
>>> several tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the 
>>> ground are strictly receivers.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>>>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>>>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>>>> resents."
>>>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it 
>>>> sitting here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not 
>>>> disturb mode. 
>>>> 
>>>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>>>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>>>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>>>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>>>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>>>> phone physically didn't move.
>>>> 
>>>> The two things I noted about this:
>>>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>>>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>>>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>>>> harbor airport ops  and find 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

me? modest? surely! you must be kidding! :)

Honestly, I can tell you I am nowhere near modest. I am not quite sure if I am 
self effacing either. Do I actually sound that way?

anyway, back to blind groups, etc. :)

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Jewel wrote:

> Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!
>  
>  Jewel  
> 
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's 
> spectrum. It's also probably why it is that I am so good at technology 
> related items. 
> 
> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
> daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
> problem. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> That was intended to be a joke!   
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
>> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the 
>> sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several 
>> tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
>> strictly receivers.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>>> resents."
>>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>>> 
>>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>>> phone physically didn't move.
>>> 
>>> The two things I noted about this:
>>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>>>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>>>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>>>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>>>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
>>>> sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
>>>> cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
>>>> go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

yeah. however, on this old mac, those might not render properly. I need to put 
my new mac mini online.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I will gladly take responsibility for the misunderstanding because the Emoji 
> features here would have made it much more clear that my post was intended as 
> a joke had I bothered to include one! 樂
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - “When you are arguing with a fool, make sure he isn't doing the same.”
> - Contributor Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the   spectrum. It's 
> also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items. 
> 
> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
> daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
> problem. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> That was intended to be a joke! 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
>> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the 
>> sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several 
>> tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
>> strictly receivers.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>>> resents."
>>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>>> 
>>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>>> phone physically didn't move.
>>> 
>>> The two things I noted about this:
>>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>>>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>>>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>>>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>>>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
>>>> sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
>>>> cov

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are not 
comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's spectrum. It's 
also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items. 

anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
problem. :)

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> That was intended to be a joke!  
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
> about the glass of water, I drank it!
> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
> 
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats 
> and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens 
> of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
> strictly receivers.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>> resents."
>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com > wrote:
>> 
>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>> 
>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>> phone physically didn't move.
>> 
>> The two things I noted about this:
>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> 
>>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
>>> sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
>>> cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
>>> go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise 
>>> building around you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its 
>>> limitations and factor them in.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>>> Donald Raikes
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: where am I
>>> 
>>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
>>> reliable is she ;-)
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>>>> appstore and it works nicely.
>>>> 
>>>> 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" to 
occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats and 
there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens of 
millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are strictly 
receivers.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that are 
> continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
> resents."
> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
> 
> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
> run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how 
> far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 
> 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 
> mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone 
> physically didn't move.
> 
> The two things I noted about this:
> 1. the direction was always east and west
> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold 
>> Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or 
>> if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way 
>> down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around 
>> you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and 
>> factor them in.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Donald Raikes
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: where am I
>> 
>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
>> is she ;-)
>> 
>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>>> appstore and it works nicely.
>>> 
>>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>>>> others may not know as well.
>>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>>>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>>>> them (without any formal training).
>>>> 
>>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>>> 
>>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 

So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how far 
it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 1000 
feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 mph 
and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

The two things I noted about this:
1. the direction was always east and west
2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I think 
when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky harbor 
airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the space 
above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked with a 
ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats are in 
near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does not 
> give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an article 
> once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is up on a 
> satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, I 
> remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
> units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were 
> in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if 
> you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is 
> fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
> is she ;-)
> 
> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>> appstore and it works nicely.
>> 
>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>> location.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>>> others may not know as well.
>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>>> them (without any formal training).
>>> 
>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>> 
>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
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Re: About the Safeway app

[Eric Oyen]

their website is also still badly FUBAR. I find it interesting that both the 
website and app run into accessibility issues at the same time. 

btw, I am also in contact with LFLegal. 

anyway, it appears that more structured negotiation needs to happen.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Kathy Brandt wrote:

> Not good that it is still having problems. You can talk to lainey Feingold,
> i...@lflegal.com. She and I, even years ago, we’re in contact about Safeway 
> accessibility.
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Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

oh yeah! it is. 

I use it a lot when I am unsure of my exact location along a residential road. 
It also helps in some kinds of office parks.

Also, you might also want to try out blind square. It can also give you an idea 
of where you are, and if you highlight a place in the list, it can even give 
you distance and bearing to the target location. :)

btw, I just tried to open the "where the hell am I" app and Siri responded with 
my exact location instead. ROFLMAO.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Johnna Simmons wrote:

> I did a search on the App Store for this app. I did not see a free version. 
> The one I saw past $.99. I don’t like to buy any apps unless I am absolutely 
> certain that they are voiceover accessible. Is this one completely accessible?
> 
> Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>> appstore and it works nicely.
>> 
>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your location.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since
>>> others may not know as well.
>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone
>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle
>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes to
>>> determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she
>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround
>>> them (without any formal training).
>>> 
>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street
>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>> 
>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
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Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple appstore 
and it works nicely.

Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your location.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since
> others may not know as well.
> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone
> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle
> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes to
> determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she
> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround
> them (without any formal training).
> 
> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street
> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
> 
> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> 
> Don
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Re: Did anyone have problems reading Jonathan‘s article?

[Eric Oyen]

Sounds to me like someone at the apple development team thought it would be a 
good idea to buffer all that text. It sounds like a good idea, until you run up 
against both the CPU limitations and the memory limitations of your device. At 
that point, voiceover (which can be resource intensive) will bog down (or fail 
completely as has sometimes happened).

-Eric


> On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> I read books from Kobo, and for some months now, the longer the chapter, the 
> longer it takes VoiceOver to start reading after the command to read from the 
> top. It’s as though VoiceOver is digesting all the pages before beginning to 
> read. For 40 pages, it can take a full minute for VoiceOver to start reading.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Apr 2018, at 00:53, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, when I tried to perform a continuous reading command, I lost speech. 
>> The only way I could read it, and I haven’t finished it yet, is to 
>> continually swipe through the article. Don’t know why this occurred.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
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Re: API changes will break Tweetbot and Twitteriffic alerts and streaming, Twitter not yet sharing new solution ahead of June deadline | 9to5Mac

[Eric Oyen]

By definition, all notifications done by twitter are push notifications. I 
usually disable that functionality on my end except for DM’s and reply. 
Unfortunately, their own client has other issues, such as displaying the 
timeline out of sequence. In fact, I have more than 400 ham friends and I 
almost never see their conversations because of the numerous promotions and “in 
case you. Missed it” from influencers.  Also, there is no way to set timeline 
sequencing on my end (it’s all controlled on the twitter side for their 
client). The web page isn’t much better. I use niteowl here on my Mac and it 
does display in proper (time based) sequence. This allows me to follow 
conversations (and I can even filter by subject matter, hashtag or even by 
user) into separate tabs.  I have yet to be able to set up something like this 
via their website and their client is a freakin joke.

Btw, as of this writing, nearly 1 million people started leaving twitter today 
alone. At this rate, they will have virtually no user base in 1 year. I call 
their current actions slow suicide. They will cost many jobs, increase costs to 
other interdependent industries and generally screw everything up on their way 
down.

And oh yeah, my braille sense U2 has lost one bit of functionality (the twitter 
client in it no longer works as of this last week). So much for the $6k that I 
spent on an equipment loan over the last 6 years. Oh, and HLMS (the makers of 
the braille sense line) won’t drop windows CE for any of the older units. It 
would be. Nice to have an android OS on there.

So, we are getting it from 2 sides: twitter fscking us and HLMS no longer 
supporting some of their older top rated equipment. Add to that Facebook and 
their unethical behavior and I am seriously beginning to think that social 
media is becoming a short lived fad.

-Eric


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Maria Reyes <mgreye...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Really? Do they have to remove push notifications? I have enabled push 
> notifications for the Apple news sources that I follow, and like to be 
> updated with the news. What about mentions? DM’s? Everyone doesn’t want to 
> open their Twitter apps all the time.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Eric 
> Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:16:40 PM
> To: Visually impaired phone users
> Subject: Re: API changes will break Tweetbot and Twitteriffic alerts and 
> streaming, Twitter not yet sharing new solution ahead of June deadline | 
> 9to5Mac
>  
> Yeah, it got them to clarify their position alright. They are still going 
> ahead with the transition, but delaying it’s execution by a couple of weeks. 
> Also, they still have not shared anything on their new account activity API. 
> So, it is likely that all third party twitter clients will be completely 
> broken.
> 
> Btw, even though there were over 10k tweets containing #BreakingMyTwitter, 
> their website reports several other hashtags trending with no mention to 
> #BreakingMyTwitter at all. Scrubbing, anyone?
> 
> SO far, the story has been carried by Tom’s Hardware, Cnet and even Cyber 
> Times. Still, the twitter executives refuse to budge on their position. Btw, 
> this will also lock out many blind users of twitter.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net 
>> <mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the info, Cristobal. I just looked at the article, and Twitter is 
>> now saying they won't remove the current funcitonality until 90 days after 
>> the new APIs come out of beta. So it sounds like the article got them to 
>> clarify their position, which is great.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This . . . would really suck.
>>>  
>>> After totally killing Twitter for Mac, Twitter’s next move appears to be 
>>> taking some seriously useful features out of third-party Twitter clients: 
>>> push
>>> notifications and streaming. Losing the ability to receive notifications 
>>> and update timelines as new tweets arrive would significantly limit apps 
>>> like Tweetbot and Twitterrific which serve the Mac, iPhone, and iPad.
>>>  
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/06/twitter-api-breaking-tweetbot-twitterrific-features/
>>>  
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Re: API changes will break Tweetbot and Twitteriffic alerts and streaming, Twitter not yet sharing new solution ahead of June deadline | 9to5Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah, it got them to clarify their position alright. They are still going ahead 
with the transition, but delaying it’s execution by a couple of weeks. Also, 
they still have not shared anything on their new account activity API. So, it 
is likely that all third party twitter clients will be completely broken.

Btw, even though there were over 10k tweets containing #BreakingMyTwitter, 
their website reports several other hashtags trending with no mention to 
#BreakingMyTwitter at all. Scrubbing, anyone?

SO far, the story has been carried by Tom’s Hardware, Cnet and even Cyber 
Times. Still, the twitter executives refuse to budge on their position. Btw, 
this will also lock out many blind users of twitter.

-Eric


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info, Cristobal. I just looked at the article, and Twitter is 
> now saying they won't remove the current funcitonality until 90 days after 
> the new APIs come out of beta. So it sounds like the article got them to 
> clarify their position, which is great.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Cristóbal > > wrote:
>> 
>> This . . . would really suck.
>>  
>> After totally killing Twitter for Mac, Twitter’s next move appears to be 
>> taking some seriously useful features out of third-party Twitter clients: 
>> push
>> notifications and streaming. Losing the ability to receive notifications and 
>> update timelines as new tweets arrive would significantly limit apps like 
>> Tweetbot and Twitterrific which serve the Mac, iPhone, and iPad.
>>  
>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/06/twitter-api-breaking-tweetbot-twitterrific-features/
>>  
>> 
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Re: ios11.3 is out now, no fake news

[Eric Oyen]

not according to both Apple and my Software update dialog on my iPhone. Sorry, 
no soap boss!

-eric

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> Hi everyohne
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> Ios 11.3 is out.
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Re: IOS 11.3 hits today

[Eric Oyen]

ok, who exactly made the announcement? There was no press release from Apple 
(and they are the only bonified source on this). 

btw, anyone who works for apple, is a contractor for apple or is a current beta 
tester for apple are under an NDA and any info they might leak can cause them 
significant legal trouble (including paying out lots of money for violating 
said NDA).
Now, ZDNet carried a story detailing some of the items proposed in the new iOS 
11.3 update, but no actual date was given for release. Until Apple makes that 
announcement, it's all just rumor.

-eric

On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

> Hi Eric
> 
> The official word has come out, the fact that beta 6 is released is true and 
> that indicates that ios11.3 will come out in a month or 2 or 3 weeks as 
> mostly one could guess Apple has between 5 and 10 beta releases.
> Regards
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 11.3 hits today
> 
> it's either likely he is a beta tester or works for an apple contractor. 
> Either way, he might be in trouble with Apple directly as his info is not 
> publicly available yet. in any case, treat it as rumor until official word 
> comes out. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
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>> How exactly do you know this? No such announcement was given.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> want to upgrade. the update is about 2.5 gigs.
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Re: IOS 11.3 hits today

[Eric Oyen]

um, I am a former beta tester and I KNOW better. No

unless Apple announces it, it's rumor (#FAKENEWS) and no amount of chatter from 
"industry sources" is going to change that.
-eric

On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Gordon wrote:

> No I'm in no way affiliated
> 
>  with Apple. A lot of sites were reporting that it would be released during 
> the apple event earlier today. If you google IOS 11.3 you'll see all the talk 
> about it.
> On 3/27/2018 12:12 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> it's either likely he is a beta tester or works for an apple contractor. 
>> Either way, he might be in trouble with Apple directly as his info is not 
>> publicly available yet. in any case, treat it as rumor until official word 
>> comes out. :)
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> How exactly do you know this? No such announcement was given.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wanted to let you all know that IOS 11.3 will be available later today 
>>>> probably around noon Central time. It works very well for those of you who 
>>>> want to upgrade. the update is about 2.5 gigs.
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Re: IOS 11.3 hits today

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it's either likely he is a beta tester or works for an apple contractor. Either 
way, he might be in trouble with Apple directly as his info is not publicly 
available yet. in any case, treat it as rumor until official word comes out. :)

-eric

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> How exactly do you know this? No such announcement was given. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone  
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Gordon  wrote:
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Re: verification required message

[Eric Oyen]

usually, when I get those verification requests, I just fill in all the info 
again. sometimes, they won't take it unless you confirm all of the payment info.

-eric

On Mar 21, 2018, at 7:46 PM, kitty hevener wrote:

> hmm, will see if that works.  Thanks. 
>  
> From: Jennie Facer
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> Subject: Re: verification required message
>  
> I think what they want is your three-digit verification code on the back of 
> your credit card. Hope this helps! You will only have to do this once. 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
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>> Hi, am trying to download and purchase an ap.  My apple id and password are 
>> correct.  However, when it gets to the “loading” screen, I get a 
>> verification requirted message.  I am told to go to settings, I tunes and ap 
>> store, then apple.  I do and everything looks fine.  The only other 
>> verification I have is a 6 digit pass code.  I see no place to enter it.  
>> So, how do I satisfy the “verification required” message so I can get my ap? 
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Re: No longer can check out on Safeway out

[Eric Oyen]

this is something you might have to report. btw, another blind person here in 
the phoenix area tried to use the safeway site with abysmal results. they were 
fully accessible before the design change 3 weeks ago.

btw, you might want to send a note to i...@lflegal.com (one of the attorneys 
who negotiated the 2013 settlement agreement). It appears that Safeway might be 
in violation of that agreement. 

anyway, I hope this helps out.

-eric

On Mar 17, 2018, at 6:06 AM, Kathy Brandt wrote:

> If anyone is able to do this, how do you do it? I can’t seem to select a date 
> and delivery time, have no indication as to what has been saved, and don’t 
> know what the enable and disable left and right arrows are supposed to do. 
> Are used to use them a lot, and, won’t be a horrible loss, since I’m dealing 
> more with Instacart, but it’s just this time they had some things I wanted 
> that I can’t get elsewhere.
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Re: A bit confused with knowing rather my iPhone is unlocked

[Eric Oyen]

well, anymore, I simply point any auto debits to my walmart money reloadable 
card making sure it has sufficient funds to cover only those charges. That is 
how I caught another company trying to take more than they were authorized. It 
was funny when they called me up and threatened to charge me with felony bad 
check writing. I had to bluntly explain to them that the card in question was a 
reload type card and if they tried to take more than the agreed payment, that I 
could charge them with attempted fraud. That shut them up real fast. No 
problems after that.

-eric

On Feb 13, 2018, at 7:05 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Eric,
> 
> I know exactly what you mean about that automatic payment issue.  
> 
> Verizon Wireless did the same thing to a friend of mine after she switch 
> carriers.  They took 3 more payments out of her account even though they had 
> acknowledged her account closure.  It took a year in order for her to receive 
> a refund.  
> 
> Bottom line, I will never, ever, authorize a company to automatically 
> withdraw funds from any of my financial accounts.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Oyen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A bit confused with knowing rather my iPhone is unlocked
> 
> well, you can demand a copy of your contract and it's effective dates. If the 
> phone is paid off, then it would show up as paid (or your bill would drop). 
> As for unlocking, you will have to take the phone to a local store for that 
> carrier. 
> 
> btw, you can keep your number when you switch carriers. It's called number 
> portability and is in the fCC regulations.
> 
> btw, if you have your current carrier automatically debiting your checking 
> account remove that permission before switching. I made the mistake of not 
> doing so and I am still fighting with t-mobile 5 years after they stole 
> nearly $400 out of my checking account.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Terri Stimmel wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I am a bit confused about rather or not my iPhone SE is already 
>> unlocked, or not.
>> 
>> 
>> I want to switch carriers, as I just have poor coverage with T-Mobile. 
>> So I was thinking I would just use AT's pre-paid service.
>> 
>> So last night I called T-Mobile. I'm not in a contract. I am just 
>> paying off my phone.
>> 
>> 
>> I asked the man I spoke with what I would need to do, if I wanted to 
>> switch carriers, and still keep my number. He told me that I could 
>> switch, but that only the other carrier could tell me what they needed.
>> 
>> 
>> So then I asked him how much I still owed on my iPhone, and if it was 
>> unlocked.
>> 
>> He told me that it couldn't be unlocked from their network, until I 
>> paid it off.
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me, is this correct?
>> 
>> I only want to check, because I get told differing things with 
>> T-Mobile sometimes. So if anyone can answer this for me, I would appreciate 
>> it.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
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Re: A bit confused with knowing rather my iPhone is unlocked

[Eric Oyen]

well, you can demand a copy of your contract and it's effective dates. If the 
phone is paid off, then it would show up as paid (or your bill would drop). As 
for unlocking, you will have to take the phone to a local store for that 
carrier. 

btw, you can keep your number when you switch carriers. It's called number 
portability and is in the fCC regulations.

btw, if you have your current carrier automatically debiting your checking 
account remove that permission before switching. I made the mistake of not 
doing so and I am still fighting with t-mobile 5 years after they stole nearly 
$400 out of my checking account.

-eric

On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Terri Stimmel wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I am a bit confused about rather or not my iPhone SE is already 
> unlocked, or not.
> 
> 
> I want to switch carriers, as I just have poor coverage with T-Mobile. 
> So I was thinking I would just use AT's pre-paid service.
> 
> So last night I called T-Mobile. I'm not in a contract. I am just paying 
> off my phone.
> 
> 
> I asked the man I spoke with what I would need to do, if I wanted to 
> switch carriers, and still keep my number. He told me that I could 
> switch, but that only the other carrier could tell me what they needed.
> 
> 
> So then I asked him how much I still owed on my iPhone, and if it was 
> unlocked.
> 
> He told me that it couldn't be unlocked from their network, until I paid 
> it off.
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me, is this correct?
> 
> I only want to check, because I get told differing things with T-Mobile 
> sometimes. So if anyone can answer this for me, I would appreciate it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: best braille display in general

[Eric Oyen]

hey, if you end up marketing them, let me in on it (I did, after all, suggest 
the idea). Call them Braille Cozy's. :)

-eric

On Feb 5, 2018, at 1:50 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey, that's an absolutely fantastic idea! And you could probably make it even 
> better by sewing it to fit over the entire unit like a shower cap, so nothing 
> gets dirty--not just the Braille cells. My sister- in-law sews; maybe I'll 
> ask her to whip me up some covers for my BrailleNote PK, BrailleSense 
> Polaris, and my Brailliant BI 32. Thanks for the awesome idea! HIMS used to 
> make a cover like that which you'd get with your BrailleSense, but they no 
> longer make one for the Polaris, which is a shame, considering how expensive 
> these devices are.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the 
>> braille through the silk. This does 2 things:
>> 1. keeps the cells clean
>> 2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 
>> 
>> The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have 
>> had my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think 
>> I will have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with 
>> the unit doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
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>>> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 
>>> a times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and 
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>>> bad in 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 
>>> years without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best 
>>> that the new Focus. 
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Re: best braille display in general

[Eric Oyen]

the Braille Sense U2 has a removable battery pack. It's lithium Ion and those 
things have a pretty long shelf life, but after 5 years, they are starting to 
wear thin. I could also probably take the battery module over to Batteries Plus 
and have them rebuild it. That will cost about $80 or so.


-eric
On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

> Don't the refreshabraille 18s have the charger already in the port? at least 
> mine did. 
> 
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>> I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the 
>> braille through the silk. This does 2 things:
>> 1. keeps the cells clean
>> 2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 
>> 
>> The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have 
>> had my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think 
>> I will have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with 
>> the unit doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Eden wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 
>>> a times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and 
>>> put a cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went 
>>> bad in 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 
>>> years without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best 
>>> that the new Focus. 
>>> Eden   
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Re: best braille display in general

[Eric Oyen]

I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the braille 
through the silk. This does 2 things:
1. keeps the cells clean
2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 

The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have had 
my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think I will 
have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with the unit 
doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.

-eric

On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Eden wrote:

> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 a 
> times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and put 
> a cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went bad in 
> 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 years 
> without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best that the 
> new Focus. 
> Eden   
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Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of CryptoCurrency?

[Eric Oyen]

ah. ok. that is why I didn't notice it. btw, they do have some web security you 
might need to be aware of. whenever you log in, a message gets sent to your 
phone with a code you must enter. sure, it's two factor authentication, but it 
can be a pain sometimes.

-eric

On Feb 2, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Cris Ali wrote:

> Eric,
> The code is not mandatory, it is just a security code.  Some sort of extra 
> protection if you want.  By default it is turned off in the settings.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of 
> CryptoCurrency?
>  
> h. they changed something then. I never had to set up a code.
>  
> -eric
>  
> On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Cris Ali wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Eric,
> It looks that coinbase is relatively accessible.  However, when I tried to 
> set up a code I could not figure out how to do that.  Somehow it kept telling 
> me that verification code did not match.
> I suppose I could use it without setting up a code.
> Thanks a lot for the recommendation.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of 
> CryptoCurrency?
>  
> I use CoinBase on the iPhone. it's decently accessible, except for creating 
> notifications. 
>  
> -eric
>  
> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Cris Ali wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello folks,
> Do you know of any accessible app of keeping track, buying, and selling 
> Cryptocurrency?  I downloaded few of the free apps and found them 
> inaccessible, but I wonder if any of you found an app that is fully 
> accessible.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
>  
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Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of CryptoCurrency?

[Eric Oyen]

h. they changed something then. I never had to set up a code.

-eric

On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Cris Ali wrote:

> Thanks Eric,
> It looks that coinbase is relatively accessible.  However, when I tried to 
> set up a code I could not figure out how to do that.  Somehow it kept telling 
> me that verification code did not match.
> I suppose I could use it without setting up a code.
> Thanks a lot for the recommendation.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of 
> CryptoCurrency?
>  
> I use CoinBase on the iPhone. it's decently accessible, except for creating 
> notifications. 
>  
> -eric
>  
> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Cris Ali wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello folks,
> Do you know of any accessible app of keeping track, buying, and selling 
> Cryptocurrency?  I downloaded few of the free apps and found them 
> inaccessible, but I wonder if any of you found an app that is fully 
> accessible.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
>  
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Re: Any accessible app for buying and selling and keeping track of CryptoCurrency?

[Eric Oyen]

I use CoinBase on the iPhone. it's decently accessible, except for creating 
notifications. 

-eric

On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Cris Ali wrote:

> Hello folks,
> Do you know of any accessible app of keeping track, buying, and selling 
> Cryptocurrency?  I downloaded few of the free apps and found them 
> inaccessible, but I wonder if any of you found an app that is fully 
> accessible.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
>  
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Re: problem with ICloud e-mail and windows

[Eric Oyen]

um there might be a problem with the app specific password. in order to access 
your email using a client on iCloud, you are required to use your apple ID 
password. THis is the same method I use for all other email clients 
(thunderbird, apple mail, eudora, etc.). I do not understand why there has to 
be an app specific password.

-eric

On Jan 27, 2018, at 12:10 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Okay Vicki,
> 
> I am going to make certain assumptions in this post so please be certain to 
> explore any resulting dialog boxes, thoroughly, before proceeding and use 
> your best judgment in deciding if the step is appropriate to your situation.  
> Here are the general broad-strokes on how to get iCloud mail up and running 
> on your Windows 7 PC.
> 
> 1.
> Understand that you must generate an app-specific iCloud password in order to 
> access iCloud mail on any Windows platform.   
> 
> 2.
> I have never used Outlook Express so recommend that you setup your iCloud 
> account via Outlook 2010.
> 
> 3.
> Make certain that all email clients are closed before proceeding to the next 
> step.
> 
> 4.
> From the Windows Control Panel, select Mail.
> 
> 5.
> Select Show Profiles.  A list of email account profiles will appear.
> 
> 6.
> Delete any existing profiles.
> 
> 7.
> Select Add.
> 
> 8.
> Give the profile a name.
> 
> 9.
> Enter your email credentials and select to manually configure server settings.
> 
> 10.
> At this point, use the iCloud server settings that you found from your Google 
> search.  
> 
> Finally, remember that you will have to enter the app-specific password that 
> you generated, not your usual iCloud password.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicki W.
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 4:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: problem with ICloud e-mail and windows
> 
> I have googled it and those are the instructions I used.
> 
> I am mostly using the version of Outlook Express that works with Windows 7, 
> but I can also use Outlook 2010.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 2:50 PM
> Subject: RE: problem with ICloud e-mail and windows
> 
> 
>> Hello Vicki,
>> 
>> There are several ways to setup iCloud mail in Windows 7.  Have you 
>> Googled how to do this?  I ask because the method you select will depend 
>> upon your particular Windows configuration.  For example, are you using 
>> Outlook?
>> 
>> Regardless, it sounds to me as though you first need to delete your 
>> current setup profile and start from scratch.
>> 
>> As an F.Y.I., one of the easiest setup configurations is to use the iCloud 
>> Control Panel.
>> 
>> Again, there are several variables that one need take into consideration.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Vicki W.
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 7:17 AM
>> To: IPhone
>> Subject: problem with ICloud e-mail and windows
>> 
>> I set up my ICloud E-mail on my Windows computer, but it will not let me 
>> change the pop3 field to Imap.
>> 
>> It allowed me to enter all of the data correctly, but in the area that 
>> says this is a pop3 server, I cannot change pop3 to imap, even though the 
>> next field has the imap information entered.
>> 
>> I am using Windows 7 and I'm wondering if that isn't the problem.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Vicki
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Re: 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee, BuzzFeed

[Eric Oyen]

Believe me, a lot of the Apple store employees must have the patience of Job! 
It is amazing what they put up with on a new product introduction day! I know, 
I’ve been in a couple of their stores with that’s happened! A mad house just 
isn’t descriptive enough! Try and insane asylum!

-Eric

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2018, at 19:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee. We see a
> lot of nudes.
> By Stephen LaConteJanuary 13, 2018, at 1:16 p.m.
> 
> 1.
> Sometimes we honestly have no idea WTF is wrong with your device. 
> 
> 2.
> We see a lot of pictures you might not want us to see. We would never snoop
> through a person's device, ever. But sometimes people don't realize what
> they've left open on their screen when they hand it to us. 
> 
> 3.
> We know when you're lying, even if we don't say it. You can tell us you
> didn't drop your phone in water, but the liquid indicators inside your phone
> beg to differ.
> 
> 4.
> If you're looking for special favors, manners go a long way. Lots of people
> think they can scream their way into getting a free thing. It rarely works.
> 
> 5.
> But most of the time, we have to play by the rules no matter what. Even the
> nicest folks. Sorry.
> 
> 6.
> Employees aren't there to upsell you on something you don't need. Our job is
> to match you to the device that's right for you, even if it's the cheapest
> model.
> 
> 7.
> And, tbh, we don't actually care if you buy anything. Most employees don't
> work on commission, anyway!
> 
> 8.
> We don't actually give a shit when you mess with the display devices. Go
> wild! 
> 
> 9.
> ...Because all those screens automatically reset themselves overnight,
> anyway. Yeah, there's no way we'd be able to catch all those pranks
> ourselves.
> 
> 10.
> We know that some people just come in to check their email or Facebook, and
> we don't mind! We've got hundreds of devices lying around - go ahead and use
> them!
> 
> 11.
> Yes, we've heard the "Are you really a GENIUS???" joke a thousand times
> before. But we'll keep fake-laughing every time someone makes it.
> 
> 12.
> The store can get really busy - even when it looks totally empty. At any
> given moment, there could be dozens of people waiting on a Genius Bar
> appointment. They're not necessarily in the store!
> 
> 13.
> We really don't know any of the juicy corporate secrets. We aren't lying
> when we say we don't know when the new Macbooks will come out or what the
> new iPhone will look like. They don't tell us that stuff.
> 
> 14.
> No, we can't let you use our employee discount. Has any store in the history
> of retail allowed this???
> 
> 15.
> Product launch days can be really freaking stressful. Long lines, sold-out
> products, loud crowds, impatient customers...it's a lot to handle.
> 
> 16.
> But Apple makes the shifts a little more bearable with a lot of free food
> for employees. Free pizza in the break room makes everything better.
> 
> 17.
> There are a LOT of meltdowns at the Genius Bar. We don't like to be the
> bearer of bad news, but sometimes that's our job.
> 
> 18.
> But there are a lot of beautiful moments, too. Helping a grandmother learn
> how to FaceTime her grandkids, helping a new mom recover deleted pictures of
> her baby...that's the stuff that makes the job worthwhile.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/brutally-honest-confessions-from-a-f
> ormer-apple-store?utm_term=.tsm7K4jL2#.qtK2NQBbW
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Re: I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either, Mashable

[Eric Oyen]

I usually do a clean install after reset, then reacquire my account data and 
apps data from iCloud backup.

-eric

On Jan 10, 2018, at 4:47 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

> With mine, it works like a charm with iOS11.2.2! My theory behind these 
> supposed upgrade troubles is logical: since usually the iPhones are bought 
> and begin there use since when Apple releases them (take the 5s released 
> September2013 with iOS7 I think), after 4 years of use, accumulated update 
> processes…, trash is left behind, making phones slow, thus getting the false 
> imprission that its slowness is because of iOS11. I’ve mine since 
> November2017 brand new, and works great. Does ny theory nake sense?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
> 
> El 10/01/2018, a la(s) 12:37 a. m., Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> escribió:
> 
>> well,
>> I have an iPhone 5 here and it won't upgrade past 10.3.x. It states that 
>> it's software is up to date. What is real interesting is that I can leave it 
>> alone for 3 or 4 days before I need to recharge it. my iPhone 7s running 
>> latest iOS has to be charged twice a day (but then again, I put it through 
>> considerably more use).
>> 
>> 
>> -eric
>>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 7:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either
>>> By Monica Chin, Dec 22, 2017
>>> 
>>> In the past few months, Apple has released frequent updates to iOS 11.
>>> Should you upgrade? For most people, it's a personal preference, but there
>>> are some people who should definitely steer clear. 
>>> I've owned an iPhone 6 for the past two years. When Apple released iOS 11 in
>>> early September, I was still using iOS 9, and my phone was still running
>>> like new. 
>>> 
>>> I held off on upgrading to iOS 11 for as long as I could, worried about
>>> rumors I'd heard that it would decrease my outdated phone's performance.
>>> Eventually, however, I gave in to pressure from friends and colleagues,
>>> plugged my phone in, and upgraded. 
>>> My phone's performance and battery life were immediately reduced to shells
>>> of their former selves. I now need to charge my phone about three times a
>>> day, it shuts down without warning, and it crashes when I have too many apps
>>> running.  
>>> 
>>> So it goes without saying that it might not be the best decision to upgrade
>>> to the newest version of iOS for everyone, security risks be damned. The
>>> first group who shouldn't upgrade: Jailbreakers. 
>>> I've never jailbroken my phone, mostly because it sounds like a lot of work,
>>> but a number of my friends are incredibly loyal to the procedure. It's not
>>> yet possible to jailbreak a device running iOS 11, though that's in the
>>> works. 
>>> 
>>> The second and much larger group is people like me who have an older device
>>> (two more more models behind the current flagship) who are happy with its
>>> current performance. 
>>> Updating your phone is a gamble, and the odds aren't even. Decreased battery
>>> life, keyboard bugs, and general performance glitches are always a risk. But
>>> the reward stays the same, while the risk gets higher, the older your phone
>>> is. If you're happy with the way your phone is running, there's little need
>>> to take that risk. 
>>> 
>>> It is worth noting one major point here: iOS updates do carry important
>>> security features, and fix vulnerabilities that could compromise your
>>> device. It's worth reading up on these fixes, and factoring them into your
>>> decision. In some cases, it will be worth the risk of avoiding the update.
>>> 
>>> For example, iOS 11 fixed the KRACK vulnerability, but that was already very
>>> difficult for hackers to exploit. And given the speed at which Apple has
>>> been rolling out iOS updates lately, and then more rushed updates to fix the
>>> bugs in those updates, it's not unthinkable that an update could bring new
>>> vulnerabilities too, as we saw with macOS High Sierra. 
>>> 
>>> If you're happy with your older iPhone, it's fine to leave it be. Forbes
>>> reports that the happiest users of older phones still use some variation of
>>> iOS 10, or even iOS 9. 
>>> At the very least, don't update immediately after the rollout. Sit back for
>>> a few weeks, keep an eye on the news, and see what vulnerabilities and bugs
>>> arise. Once you have all the facts, you can decide whether to take the 

Re: I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either, Mashable

[Eric Oyen]

well,
I have an iPhone 5 here and it won't upgrade past 10.3.x. It states that it's 
software is up to date. What is real interesting is that I can leave it alone 
for 3 or 4 days before I need to recharge it. my iPhone 7s running latest iOS 
has to be charged twice a day (but then again, I put it through considerably 
more use).


-eric
On Jan 9, 2018, at 7:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either
> By Monica Chin, Dec 22, 2017
> 
> In the past few months, Apple has released frequent updates to iOS 11.
> Should you upgrade? For most people, it's a personal preference, but there
> are some people who should definitely steer clear. 
> I've owned an iPhone 6 for the past two years. When Apple released iOS 11 in
> early September, I was still using iOS 9, and my phone was still running
> like new. 
> 
> I held off on upgrading to iOS 11 for as long as I could, worried about
> rumors I'd heard that it would decrease my outdated phone's performance.
> Eventually, however, I gave in to pressure from friends and colleagues,
> plugged my phone in, and upgraded. 
> My phone's performance and battery life were immediately reduced to shells
> of their former selves. I now need to charge my phone about three times a
> day, it shuts down without warning, and it crashes when I have too many apps
> running.  
> 
> So it goes without saying that it might not be the best decision to upgrade
> to the newest version of iOS for everyone, security risks be damned. The
> first group who shouldn't upgrade: Jailbreakers. 
> I've never jailbroken my phone, mostly because it sounds like a lot of work,
> but a number of my friends are incredibly loyal to the procedure. It's not
> yet possible to jailbreak a device running iOS 11, though that's in the
> works. 
> 
> The second and much larger group is people like me who have an older device
> (two more more models behind the current flagship) who are happy with its
> current performance. 
> Updating your phone is a gamble, and the odds aren't even. Decreased battery
> life, keyboard bugs, and general performance glitches are always a risk. But
> the reward stays the same, while the risk gets higher, the older your phone
> is. If you're happy with the way your phone is running, there's little need
> to take that risk. 
> 
> It is worth noting one major point here: iOS updates do carry important
> security features, and fix vulnerabilities that could compromise your
> device. It's worth reading up on these fixes, and factoring them into your
> decision. In some cases, it will be worth the risk of avoiding the update.
> 
> For example, iOS 11 fixed the KRACK vulnerability, but that was already very
> difficult for hackers to exploit. And given the speed at which Apple has
> been rolling out iOS updates lately, and then more rushed updates to fix the
> bugs in those updates, it's not unthinkable that an update could bring new
> vulnerabilities too, as we saw with macOS High Sierra. 
> 
> If you're happy with your older iPhone, it's fine to leave it be. Forbes
> reports that the happiest users of older phones still use some variation of
> iOS 10, or even iOS 9. 
> At the very least, don't update immediately after the rollout. Sit back for
> a few weeks, keep an eye on the news, and see what vulnerabilities and bugs
> arise. Once you have all the facts, you can decide whether to take the leap.
> 
> 
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Re: object location app

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look at "the Voice". I am not sure they have an iPhone app, but they do have 
Android. It creates a soundscape where higher pitch is upward, lower is 
downward, objects either to the left or right will appear in the soundscape in 
that relative position. objects of brighter color or luminosity will be louder.

-eric

On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:14 PM, pablocmd2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am wondering if any body knows and app able to inform location of objects 
> on the video. Let me try to describe an example, probably it will be more 
> explanatory than my question.
> I have on the video an object, let us say that it is a picture on the wall. 
> If the picture is just on the middle of the screen, the level of audio is 
> balance between the left and right audio channel. But if the camera moves a 
> little bit to the right, then the picture will be more to the left on the 
> screen. The left audio  channel will make a louder than the right audio 
> channel. Something very similar  than the way how our echo ears works. If 
> someone is in front of us, yelling something, our ears are going to hear 
> their voice at the same volume in both ears. But if we move our head a little 
> bit to the right, the audio is going to be louder on our left ear than in our 
> right ear.
> Now, what I am looking is an app that will detect an object, and if the 
> object is on the center of the video, the audio will be in balance between 
> right and left audio channels. The volume of the channels will change if the 
> object moves on the screen.
> Is there any app able to do this?
>  
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Re: A good ad blocker to use?

[Eric Oyen]

question: will both one blocker and purify work together? the reason I ask is 
that some ads might be able to bypass one, but not necessarily the other.

-eric

On Jan 7, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

> Purify is great.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Cristóbal  wrote:
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>> 1Blocker works for me. 
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/1blocker/id1025729002?mt=8
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Daniel McGee
>> Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A good ad blocker to use?
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any good add blockers for iOS. that I should check out 
>> and that are: 
>> 
>> 1 accessible with VoiceOver and safari 
>> 
>> 2 that are trust worthy to use 
>> 
>> Thanking in advanced for any suggestions 
>> 
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Re: youtube live tv

[Eric Oyen]

I wish I had an iPad here. then I could duplicate the circumstances and try to 
find the solution.

btw, you can send a message to youtube tv support and they can call back and 
walk you through all the troubleshooting on the phone.

-eric

On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:29 AM, Larry McCreary wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I have chrome cast working on google home.  What I am 
> trying to do is to get the youtube app to work on my iPad like it does on the 
> iPhone.  I should be able to watch tv with the app on iPad.   
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:07 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> you might have to download and setup with ggoogle home in order to get the 
>> chrome cast device to interface wit the youtube tv app. I had to do this on 
>> my iPhone, and after that was done, signing in on the youtube tv app was 
>> simple and worked. I can't say the same for the chrome app on my windows 
>> machine. It will allow me to sign in, but the interface presented is not 
>> very accessible (none of the buttons appear to work properly).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 5:56 AM, Larry McCreary wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am having difficulty installing the youtube app on my iPad.  I have it on 
>>> my iPhone but when I download the app on my iPad I can’t sign in to my 
>>> account.  I would appreciate help with this problem.  I have uninstalled 
>>> and reinstalled several times.
>>> Thanks much.
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Re: voiceover problem

[Eric Oyen]

exceedingly unlikely. that hardware flaw has existed since 1995, so this sort 
of problem is something else entirely.

-eric

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> the voiceover problem is stillongoing, and I have to switch my phone off as 
> telling siri to turn voiceover off and on again doesn’t work.  as this is a 
> recent problem does anyone think it may have anything to do with the bug or 
> chip that is supposed to be in iPhone, Ipads and whatever else?  Janet
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Re: IPhone 6 has died, how to invoke DF you?

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you might have to start the iTunes application. If the phone is not detected in 
there, then call Apple tech support via their disability assistance hotline. I 
had this issue happen on a 5S and iTunes wouldn't see the device. So, I called 
apple and they walked me through the procedure.

-eric

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> Hi,
> I have had this happened once before, but on my for S. No it has happened on 
> my six, so I need to use the DFU protocol. I know that I have to plug it into 
> the computer, but what else?
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Re: youtube live tv

[Eric Oyen]

you might have to download and setup with ggoogle home in order to get the 
chrome cast device to interface wit the youtube tv app. I had to do this on my 
iPhone, and after that was done, signing in on the youtube tv app was simple 
and worked. I can't say the same for the chrome app on my windows machine. It 
will allow me to sign in, but the interface presented is not very accessible 
(none of the buttons appear to work properly).

-eric

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> Hello,
> I am having difficulty installing the youtube app on my iPad.  I have it on 
> my iPhone but when I download the app on my iPad I can’t sign in to my 
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> reinstalled several times.
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Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time

[Eric Oyen]

I agree with this.
back when I had a windows smartphone on T-Mobile, I had to spend about $480 for 
mobile speak from code factory. the phone was not accessible any other way and 
the android flavors at that time had interface issues that broke accessibility 
rather routinely.  So, when Apple not only spread the cost of R across the 
entire user base, but brought accessibility into the mainstream, they changed 
the entire playing field. Basically, Google (the creators of Android OS) were 
forced to do the same thing. So, apple forced the market to accede to user 
wishes.

Sure, Apple made a ton of money at it. So what? that is the function of 
business, to provide a service or good and at a profitable price.

-eric

On Dec 30, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:

> Frankly I am rather tired of the Apple bashing that appears to be fashionable 
> among  some members.
> 
> Not all that long ago you had to spend around £150 to add  Talks to make a 
> Nokia device accessible.  If you changed your phone another £50 transfer cost 
> was required to transfer Talks to your new device.
> 
> An Apple phone costs us no more or less than slighted people you cannot say 
> that about many products!  Take Windows alone, access software  costs as much 
> or more than the machine itself but who complains? 
> Yet I would say that VoiceOver gives us more access to iOS features than does 
> any Windows screen reader.  Can you compare Narrator with  VoiceOver both are 
> screen readers hilt into the operating system but they are light years apart. 
>  If your PC was like an Apple device there would be no need for JAWS or NVDA.
> 
> 
> I have an iPhone5S here and it runs iOS11.2 perfectly well.  How many 
> computers of that  age can run Windows10?
> 
> You may argue that an iPhone is slower with the latest version of the 
> operating system but is this not true with any device no matter what the 
> platform is.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2017, at 00:17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point the original poster was making is that Apple started main 
>> stream accessibility when they made Voiceover part of iOS with the iPhone 
>> 3GS in 2009. This was only 2 years after the iPhone was first released and 
>> while I am sure Apple did this partly to maybe have more chances for getting 
>> government contracts where accessibility needed to be available, it still 
>> took a bit of vision to do such a deep integration both in iOS and MAC OS 
>> and of course now in TVOS and Watch OS. 
>> The fact is that Google/Android and now Microsoft are all playing catch up 
>> as they follow the example Apple set. Before 2009 accessibility as a right 
>> was not a term you hear, now you do.
>> I know Pablo that you think Android is so much better and all that and I'm 
>> sure it's a pretty good experience by now, but I bought an iPod Touch third 
>> generation in 2009 and remember in those initial years (2009, 2010, 2011 and 
>> so on) when I was also listening to Podcasts and demos of Android 
>> accessibility and back then it was a joke compare dto iOS.
>> Prior to 2009 you had to spend about as much as a subsidised iPhone costs 
>> now to get something like MobileSpeak if you wanted an accessibile 
>> smartphone of some sort and of course if you count the cost of what 
>> MobileGeo used to cost let alone KNFB Reader for Symbian what we can get now 
>> even if you do buy a $1,000 iPhone at full price is pretty amazing. I paid 
>> that much for MobileSpeak and MobileGeo alone and my Microsoft Mobile 6.1 
>> smartphone at the time could do a lot less than what my iPhone can do now.
>> KNFB Reader when it was first available for a few Nokia phones I think was 
>> $1,500.
>> Of course now with Seeing AI which is completely free my KNFB Reader rarely 
>> gets used any more since for what I do which mostly is just reading a single 
>> page or envelope the short text function in the Seeingt AI app usually does 
>> the job.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Pablo Morales
>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | 
>> Time
>> 
>> But Apple is not the only one who have created accessibility. All these apps 
>> that you are mentioning exist for android, and they are cheaper than in IOs. 
>> KNFB reader is just $20 for android. Maybe you need to try and see.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of GARY WILLIAMS
>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | 
>> Time
>> 
>> I don’t either, I’m just thankful for the accessible technology they have 
>> provided for us. The iphone has opened up so 

Re: From Moderator Mark: I just Want You All To Know

[Eric Oyen]

Mark,
don't worry about it. In fact, you should dispense with political correctness. 
The truth (and facts) never hurt anyone.

anyway, Merry Christmas!

--- from the old school where values meant something.
-eric

On Dec 25, 2017, at 7:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> In an age of political correctness, it's gotten so that I'm almost afraid to
> wish anyone a Merry Christmas so I'll just say that I hope you all had a
> pleasant December 25th and are enjoying your holiday season.
> 
> As for me, I had a very pleasant Christmas, this year.
> 
> I want you all to know that I found myself thinking about you, today.  Many,
> many of your names came to mind as I was enjoying my Christmas dinner;
> wondering how your day was going, hoping you were happy, etc.
> 
> If it were possible, I would have given all of you a Christmas hug and told
> you how greatful I am that you and I are in this world at the same time.  
> 
> Being visually impaired is never easy even when some days go by more easily
> than others.  
> 
> Be that as it may, I want you to know that it helps me a great deal to know
> that I do not struggle with my visual challenges alone; that somewhere out
> there, you are with me in spirit.  
> 
> As I have said on many occasions, we, you and I are brothers and sisters on
> this path of accessability exploration and expansion and for that, I am
> truly grateful.
> 
> Okay, I'll step down off of my proverbial soapbox and return you to your
> regularly scheduled email posting (smile).
> 
> Your Brother on the Path,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Us congress hearing of maan alsaan Money laundry قضية الكونغجرس لغسيل الأموال للمليادير معن الصانع

[Eric Oyen]

and what does this have to do with ViPhone?

-eric

On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:29 AM, mike a wrote:
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Re: Making International Calls for Free: Alternatives to WhatsApp Messenger@

[Eric Oyen]

um. I am one of those US users of WhatsApp. So far, I like how it works and 
interacts with the screen reader. sometimes its a bit hard to keep up in a 
couple of the groups, but its definitely better than Microsoft's current 
offering.

-eric

On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:

> I am confident that Microsoft will resolve the broken accessibility in
> Skype shortly.  If folks did not update the app, there is no
> accessibility issue.
> 
> google cannot seem to make up its mind about VOIP solutions.  Many in
> the United States who use VOIP use Google Hangouts.  Calls are free to
> any phone in the United States or Canada, including Alaska, Hawaii, or
> Puerto Rico. While Duo might have better quality than Skype, between
> Hangouts, Skype, Facetime and Facebook, it is likely that the other
> party will have one of these options and not want to download Google's
> latest project.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> On 7/3/17, Dave  wrote:
>> unfortunately, skype for iPhone, is having a few accessibility issues at the
>> 
>> moment.
>> 
>> Also, the call quality, on google Duo, and viber, is very good too.
>> 
>> and at the moment, google Duo, doesn't have all the extra junk and add-ons,
>> 
>> that some of the other apps have.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Making International Calls for Free: Alternatives to WhatsApp
>> Messenger@
>> 
>> Skype is very popular along with Facebook.  Many people in the United
>> States connect on Facebook and forgo exchanging e-mail addresses and
>> phone numbers.  The call quality on Facebook is better than Skype and
>> nearly as good as Facetime.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/3/17, Dave  wrote:
>>> Viber, and google Duo, will make free calls, and they are cross platform.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> From: Craig Werner
>>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:47 AM
>>> To: viphone
>>> Subject: Making International Calls for Free: Alternatives to WhatsApp
>>> Messenger@
>>> 
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>> 
>>> I use WhatsApp Messenger to make international phone calls for free, and
>>> I
>>> like it very much.  I recently read on this list that WhatsApp is not
>>> popular in the U.S., and I cannot imagine why this is so.  Other than
>>> FaceTime, which is, of course, not a cross-platform application, what do
>>> US.
>>> users recommend for making free calls worldwide?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

[Eric Oyen]

yeah, that is kind of what I thought. its a shame, really as its a pretty good 
app otherwise.

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On Jun 23, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> Whats App needs to be associated with a phone number, it does not work on an 
> iPod Touch or iPad.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
> 
> I finally got around to setting it up on my device just now. its fairly 
> simple, but it does require you have a phone number. My other iPhone doesn't 
> have a phone number associated with it, so setup might be a tad more involved 
> there.
> 
> btw, my whatap ID is 16233995635
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
>> Casey,
>> 
>> It's an iOS app and all iOS apps need to be downloaded from the App Store.
>> Go to the App Store on your phone, search for "Whats App", install it and 
>> when you open it everything is very straight forward. You select your 
>> country, enter phone number and confirm with a code that is sent to your 
>> phone I think. That's basically it except for giving some permissions like 
>> to use the camer, microphone and get access to your contacts and allow push 
>> notifications.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Casey
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
>> 
>> Hi how do you down load this directly to my phone?
>> Do I have to go to the web site on the phone or can I just go to the app 
>> store and get it also?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Michael D. Ulrich
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
>> 
>> Casey, it should be fairly straightforward and easy to follow once you open 
>> the app. At least it was pretty good for me.
>> 
>> Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Casey <cwoll...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay once you get it how do you set it up?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Michael D. Ulrich
>>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:51 AM
>>> To: co...@colinflaherty.com
>>> Subject: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
>>> 
>>> ‎Hey,
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded WhatsApp Messenger on my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> It is a smartphone messenger which replaces SMS. This app even lets me send 
>>> pictures, video and other multimedia!
>>> 
>>> WhatsApp Messenger is available for many smartphones and there is no PIN or 
>>> username to remember - it works just like SMS and uses your Internet data 
>>> plan.
>>> 
>>> Get it now from https://whatsapp.com/dl/ and say good-bye to SMS!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!
>>> 
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Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

[Eric Oyen]

that ID is also my cell phone number. :) I just wish I could setup the app on 
the other iPhone without a phone number. that device is tied to my ham radio 
accounts for email, Facebook, etc.

btw, if you want to friend me on FB over there, the ID I use is n7...@icloud.com


thanks.

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On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:39 AM, kg7...@juno.com wrote:

> 
> Hi Eric, there is a blind hams group on Whatsapp, called Blind Hams
> Haven, but it might be hard to get one of the group moterators to add you
> right now, as they have been a bit scarce!  GRIN!  I will try to connect
> to you using your Whatsapp ID, but I haven't been successful doing it
> that way.  If you want to send me your Cell phone number off list, I can
> put you in my contacts, then is easy to find you!
> 
> Have a good:
> John
> 
> 
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Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

[Eric Oyen]

I finally got around to setting it up on my device just now. its fairly simple, 
but it does require you have a phone number. My other iPhone doesn't have a 
phone number associated with it, so setup might be a tad more involved there.

btw, my whatap ID is 16233995635

-eric

On Jun 23, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> Casey,
> 
> It's an iOS app and all iOS apps need to be downloaded from the App Store.
> Go to the App Store on your phone, search for "Whats App", install it and 
> when you open it everything is very straight forward. You select your 
> country, enter phone number and confirm with a code that is sent to your 
> phone I think. That's basically it except for giving some permissions like to 
> use the camer, microphone and get access to your contacts and allow push 
> notifications.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Casey
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
> 
> Hi how do you down load this directly to my phone?
> Do I have to go to the web site on the phone or can I just go to the app 
> store and get it also?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Michael D. Ulrich
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
> 
> Casey, it should be fairly straightforward and easy to follow once you open 
> the app. At least it was pretty good for me.
> 
> Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Casey  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay once you get it how do you set it up?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Michael D. Ulrich
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:51 AM
>> To: co...@colinflaherty.com
>> Subject: ‎WhatsApp Messenger
>> 
>> ‎Hey,
>> 
>> I just downloaded WhatsApp Messenger on my iPhone.
>> 
>> It is a smartphone messenger which replaces SMS. This app even lets me send 
>> pictures, video and other multimedia!
>> 
>> WhatsApp Messenger is available for many smartphones and there is no PIN or 
>> username to remember - it works just like SMS and uses your Internet data 
>> plan.
>> 
>> Get it now from https://whatsapp.com/dl/ and say good-bye to SMS!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!
>> 
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Re: Blindness takes a stand!

[Eric Oyen]

the last guy that told me I couldn't do something on account of being blind not 
only got proven wrong (and most publicly, but he also lost the $500 bet I made 
with him (in front of witnesses no less).

A basic rule here is this: if a blind person makes a $500 bet against your 
statement, be prepared to lose the $500 to said blind person.

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On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Mr. Ed wrote:

> Hi All,
> You all know very well blind people cannot do anything. LOL How many times 
> have you herd that.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tony
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 12:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Blindness takes a stand!
>  
> Good for you.
>  
> My sighted wife was thrown off a plane several years ago for traveling with a 
> week old baby.  The stewardess claimed it was a FAA reg.  I called the FAA 
> and found they have no such reg.
>  
> A friend was pulled off a plane for traveling with a service dog.  They 
> demanded to see his doctor’s letter prescribing an emotional assistance dog.  
> That wasn’t the purpose for having the dog.  Emotional assistance dogs are 
> the only animals that require documentation.
>  
> Unfortunately, both happened on Southwest which has been good to me and my 
> guide dogs in the past.
>  
> Tony
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 2:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blindness takes a stand!
>  
> Recently I was discriminated against by frontier airlines.  They wouldn’t 
> allow me to travel with my 18 month old grand daughter.  I called newspapers, 
> news stations, and made my voice heard.  Not just for me, but for the whole 
> blind community and those after me so they will get treated fairly.  Below is 
> the links to the 2 news casts done by ABC Action, Fox 13, and and article 
> written by the Tampa times.  Just thought this may be a positive thing for 
> the BBE, as well as the blind community.
>  
> ABC action news
> http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-tampa/local-minister-told-he-cant-fly-frontier-because-he-is-blind
>  
> Fox 13 new
> http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/258629411-story
>  
> News article in tampa times 
> http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/frontier-airlines-refused-to-allow-blind-man-and-granddaughter-on-plane-at/2325975
>  
> My youtube channel playlist has the interviews in there entirety
>  
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Re: Blindness takes a stand!

[Eric Oyen]

I tried to play the stuff on youtube only to be presented with an undefined 
error. unfortunately, the screen reader here wouldn't read the error dialog box.

-eric

On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:38 AM, Kliphton Miller wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ3rbZxjU37GmgIzV-rlsP_zaZoJY1xSb=desktop

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Re: Alternative to my banking app

[Eric Oyen]

have you tried getting hold of the corporate offices for your credit union?
I ran into this problem 4 years ago at desert schools here. it took getting up 
to the VP's office before someone lower down the chain would get the idea to 
change things. now, their website is fully usable and their app is mostly 
usable (there is an ad that keeps getting in my way). what is the name of your 
institution? I might be able to help get things moving.

-eric

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> So, my local credit union iOS app has been inaccessible for a couple years 
> now.  It does not look like they are going to improve it.
> 
> Are there third party apps for banking and paying bills?  Of course ones that 
> are safe with my information.
> 
> It’s annoying that my local bank isn’t accessible anymore, but I really don’t 
> want to switch institutions.
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> Thank you,
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Re: Emoji Research Study; Seeking Blind or Low Vision Participants

[Eric Oyen]

um. I might have to ask some questions of you privately about what the NFB has 
done.
I happen to be a member of the nfb, but I am also a member of the ACB and some 
others. you might find that strange, but I view such organizations as tools for 
my use. anyway, if you want to chat, you can respond privately to my email.

thanks,

Eric

On Apr 5, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Grace wrote:

> I would have loved to help out with your survey however, I won't be able to 
> as I cannot support the NFB as they actively work against blind people like 
> myself. 
> Kind Regards, 
> Grace. 
> 
> On 6 Apr 2017, at 1:12 am, Amelia Keller  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My name is Amelia Keller and I am a Master’s Student in Human Computer 
>> Interaction at Rochester Institute of Technology. I am conducting a research 
>> study to understand emoji interpretation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am looking to recruit visually impaired participants who are ages 18+ and 
>> have either used, have tried to use, received, and/or encountered emojis.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Participation will include an online survey that will last no longer than 15 
>> minutes. We ask that you take this survey on your current mobile device. The 
>> survey will be on an platform that is accessible to screen readers and 
>> magnifiers. For each participant, $1 will be donated to the National 
>> Federation of the Blind. If you would like to participate, please click the 
>> link below:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://goo.gl/forms/UaORqfT6wBrFN9kF3
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Amelia Keller
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Re: viewing pages on facebook

[Eric Oyen]

those should post either in the notifications tab or on your timeline. I also 
get email notification when someone sends me a message or posts on my page 
(https://m.facebook.com/blindathletescorner/ ). It's a little hard to setup the 
page to do everything, but I managed to get a good bit of it done. :)

-eric

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> Hey guys,
> 
> How do you guys get notifications on pages on fb, i.e when someone posts on a 
> page run by a company etc.  Can you get those notifications, or do you have 
> to look at the page?
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Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Eric Oyen]

well,
so far as I can tell, it seems that all controls, buttons and edit boxes are 
where they are supposed to be. there is only 1 unlabeled element: tab 3 at the 
bottom.

What this may sound like is an issue inside the iOS for your particular 
devices. btw, I ran into similar issues a few months back and backed up my 
phone to a laptop. then I erased and reinstalled from backup. that set of 
issues prompt made an exit.

sometimes, it just works better to clean out the device completely and restore 
from backup. this allows the iOS a chance to be installed cleanly.

-eric

On Jan 21, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>  
> The Settings button is there when I first open Messenger and I’m in the Inbox 
> so to speak where all my messages are displayed. Once I double tap on a 
> message to open that thread the top left says “Home back button”.
> Below is a fairly detailed description of what is in Settings for those who 
> have never explored it and who benefit from reading a description/tutorial:
>  
> If I double tap on the Settings button I now have a Done button at the top 
> left, then in the middle and over to the right it says “Me” which is a 
> heading.
> Underneath that is an unlabelled button. If I double tap it I get to a screen 
> where I have the following:
>  
> Cancel button at the top left
> To the right of that and in the middle but also at the top at the same level 
> as the cancel button are two buttons labelled “My code button, 1 of 2” and 
> “Scan Code button, 2 of 2”. To the right of that is a “Share” button and most 
> of the screen is taken up by another item Voiceover just announces as 
> “button” and which seems to be a barcode somebody else can scan with their 
> phone, I assume it will quickly and easily add your information to their 
> Messenger list, sort of like a QR code.
> If you double tap on that unlabelled button a menu pops up with the following:
> Reset Code
> Share Image
> Save Image
> Cancel
> I selected Save Image which put it in my camera roll, here it was announced 
> as “One Face”. I then used iDentifi to recognize it and it came back and 
> announced it as “Messenger Avatar”.
> When I changed it from “My Code” to “Scan Code” I got a message on the screen 
> to hold the camera up to a code, there was also an unlabelled button which 
> when I tapped it brought up my camera roll. I selected the image I had 
> previously saved and it told me this:
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sieghard Weitzel from your phone contacts is also on Messenger
> Sieghard is in your Messenger contacts
> Then it had a “Type a message” text field and I guess I could have sent a 
> message to myself, but of course this is meant to scan somebody else’s code 
> to add them to your Messenger contacts.
> A couple of unlabelled buttons here, but nothing that’s a deal-breaker.
> Back on the main ‘Settings screen underneath that initial unlabelled button 
> which takes you to all of this are the following other items which are all 
> labelled properly:
> Sieghard Weitzel – this is just underneath the unlabelled button (you get to 
> it if you swipe right and that is what I am doing to get to all of these 
> options now)
> User name button: double tap on this and it will tell you the user name you 
> have on Facebook, in my case it is SieghardW. I can now tap on “Edit User 
> Name”, then I can find an explanatory message: Your user name becomes part of 
>  your custom links that let people visit your Facebook profile and reach you 
> on Messenger. Need help, get tips on choosing a user name.”
> When I tried to edit it to just say “Sieghard” without the first initial of 
> my last name it told me that this was an unavailable user name. Basically 
> this has to be a unique identifier where you could type in 
> www.Facebook.com/SieghardW ad it would take you straight to my page. I guess 
> even my relatively unusual name is not so unusual on Facebook and somebody 
> else already had just the first name.
> Next on the Settings  screen is “Phone” followed by your number. If you 
> double tap on this it asks “Is this the number people can  use to reach you? 
> People can add you as a contact if they already have your phone number, but 
> only you can see this number on Facebook. Your phone number helps you connect 
> with friends, get SMS updates and more”.
> You then have an edit field with your number or you can add/change it and at 
> the bottom is an “OK” and “Not Now” button.
> Next on the main settings screen is a “Notification” button which for me is 
> “On” and when I double tap on it I get various options to adjust 
> notifications.
> Next is a “People” button which has an option to turn on or off “Sync 
> Contacts”, you also have an invite and a block button.
> Next is a button called “Photos, videos and emoji”. It gives you various 
> options related to photos and videos and it has a button to turn on 
> “Messenger Emoji” which has the explanation underneath: Switch system emoji 
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Re: Taking videos as a blind person

[Eric Oyen]

it doesn't hurt to have a sighted individual who can help out. Otherwise, it 
can get a bit tricky doing this yourself. I should know, I have tried when it 
comes to producing cycling videos and there is no way for me to get me and the 
bike in picture.

-eric

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> I've just been offered the chance to produce a short 5 min video on the basic 
> of piano playing. I have an iphone se, an ipod and an ipad. Is there an easy 
> way to shot a good quality video? I do have a zom mic that conects in to my 
> phone. What I need to know is how to do the video side of things? How do I 
> make sure my face and hands are showing at abbl times?
> Any tips or resources on how to do this would be pch appreciated!
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Re: It's true that Eden Kizer has scammed a lot of unsuspecting people

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm. it appears that someone claiming to be her over on the HIMS note takers 
list is trying to contest the accusation, claiming they are being stalked, etc.

Here is my solution:
if the package was actually sent out, get the tracking number and the address.
then, file in small claims to get a judgement. once that is done, file in 
federal court for interstate fraud (theft by instrument over state lines is 
interstate fraud). Now, that last can either be placed in civil court (where 
the standard for evidence is lower) or in criminal court. in either case, it 
will cost some serious dollars to pursue.

The above does assume that someone received a device without paying the agreed 
amount. If, however, this story is bogus, then the victim of the accusation has 
their own legal recourse.

Now, that I have had my 2 cents worth, might I suggest we retire this subject 
and let the mods handle it?

-eric

On Nov 26, 2016, at 1:00 PM, rajmund wrote:

> 3 lists, this makes. protomail is easy to create
> 
> Sent fromThunderhbird
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> On 26/11/2016 06:09 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>> Forwareded from another group.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Re: [MediaReq] About Eden Kizer's scams
>> Date:Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:48:57 -0500
>> From:Rebecca Sutton via MediaReq 
>> Reply-To:Rebecca Sutton 
>> To:  Sarah Sans 
>> CC:  media...@lists.mediareq.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> well I have talked to her and she is a person with a lot of problems.  I 
>> didn’t know that she would do something like that.  I was wondering did you 
>> buy the braille note yourself?  the only reason I’m asking is because a lot 
>> of people in canada are trying to sell things that they have gone from the 
>> government and over here it seems that people are just doing it to make some 
>> extra money for something that they haven’t purchased. I know however that 
>> in the u.s people often have to purchase their own equipment  and as you say 
>> it does cost a lot of money.  I can understand that you were trying to help 
>> her out but I suppose that being the kind of person she is she knew that she 
>> would be able to get away without paying for it because there would be 
>> nothing that you  could do to get the whole payment from her.  She used to 
>> work as a phone sex operator and she kept bragging about how much money she 
>> got paid for doing it.  So really she could afford to pay you the money.  I 
>> guess peo
> ple like that don’t want to buy them from maxi aids and other places like 
> that because they won’t be able to scam the workers at such organizations.  I 
> don’t know if you know hooper but he does similar things like that on a 
> regular basis.
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Sarah Sans via 
>>> MediaReq  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> 
>>> I was reading a thread on viphone where somebody else said that they were 
>>> scammed by an individual named Eden Kizer. I was one of those individuals 
>>> who was scammed by her.
>>> 
>>> Just over a year ago I advertised a BrailleNote braille display on 
>>> Blindbargains, and was contacted by somebody named Eden Kizer asking too 
>>> purchase it from me. I was selling it for $4000 and she said she couldn't 
>>> afford to pay for it all at once. She asked me if she could pay monthly 
>>> installments of $500 and, since I really wanted to sell it and thought she 
>>> would honor her word, I took the first payment of $500 and sent her the 
>>> BrailleNote. The BrailleNote was in excellent condition, had no scratches 
>>> or dents, had an excellent battery and came with all the accessories 
>>> including the carrying case.
>>> 
>>> I have yet to receive the rest of the payment for the BrailleNote (she owes 
>>> me $3500). I have previously attempted to call her about it, and rather 
>>> than talking about why she wouldn't pay the rest of the money she owes me 
>>> she decided to change her phone number. She also ignores my emails.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just want everybody to be aware of Eden's scams. I'm extremely upset that 
>>> she didn't pay me back in full for the BrailleNote I sold her and hope she 
>>> doesn't do the same to anybody else. I'd hate to know that other people 
>>> have also been scammed by her, although I'm sure she's done the same to 
>>> others. I was only trying to do her a favor by accepting payment 
>>> installments since I understand not everybody has $4000 to pay all at once, 
>>> but now I know not to do that anymore and only accept a payment in full.
>>> 
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Re: iPhone questin and how to take that folder or some photos off of your iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm. I am running into a problem with this. there are some photos on my phone 
(which are also synced to my iCloud drive) and I am not being allowed to delete 
them. I have tried from the phone to select them in the photos app, only to be 
presented with a greyed out delete button. I have also tried via the web to get 
to my iCloud photos library directly, but there doesn't appear to be anything 
on there. Lastly, I can't seem to get the iCloud drive app in windows 7 to 
display anything either (presents me with empty folders, even though I know 
different). and iTunes isn't being very helpful on windows.

btw, I can't do a lot of this on my current mac as the OS is too old (plug in 
the phone and iTunes says that it gets an invalid response from the phone) and 
iCloud isn't available (because its the upgraded version not compatible with OS 
X Lion).

any help or suggestions I can use?

-eric

On Oct 9, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jennie Facer wrote:

> Hi Casey,
> 
> You can't use your iPhone like a hard drive. You can go into settings then 
> camera and turn iCloud on and that should help you back up your photos to 
> iCloud. I believe there is an optimize storage thing in there also. I can't 
> remember exactly how it goes right now, but you can using WiFi to back up 
> your photos and only display certain ones I believe. Hope this helps a little 
> bit. If not, you will have to use iTunes. I know that is a bad word right 
> now. 
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> On Oct 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Casey  wrote:
> 
>> Hi I have My iPhone connected to my computer and I would like to take my 
>> photos and copy that folder to my computer so I can take them off of my 
>> phone and make more room on my phone.
>> But I would still like to have the pictures folder with all of the pictures 
>> that I have taken up to the most latest one.
>> So how do I go about doing this?
>> I have connected the phone to my computer but I don't see it listed under my 
>> hard drives on my computer.
>> So what am I doing wrong or do I have to go threw iTunes to do this.
>> So any and all help is welcome.
>> 
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Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]

[Eric Oyen]

heheh. hey tony, thats one hell of a pet peeve. :)
yeah, you use the groups about the same way I do. they are supposed to be 
representing us, aren't they?

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Tony wrote:

> Thank you for giving me the opportunity to point out the arrogance of people 
> like you who only want to condemn those of us who champion different causes.
>  
> Last week I was trying to select a funeral home to plan for my wife’s 
> upcoming demise.  One of the sites had less than adequate accessibility.  I 
> took the time to send them a not-so-nice complaint and request for the 
> missing information.
>  
> Within an hour I had the requested information despite that they would have 
> been justified to blow off my message because of the way it was worded.  It 
> was not crude, it was not screaming, but was not flattering.
>  
> When I visited them today, after we had completed our business, the owner 
> told me he had immediately contacted the company who maintains his site and 
> it was corrected the next day.
>  
> Unless NFB has changed their stance on guide dogs in the last fifteen years, 
> I would have to be suspicious of their attack on any dog school.  At that 
> time it was cane all the way.  People that took a dog to their office had to 
> leave it chained in the reception area.  I know one person who had his dog 
> removed from the building while he was talking to someone in another office.
>  
> I recently contacted NFB, ACB, and AFB for assistance when the state took my 
> grandchildren out of my home and said I could have them back when I cured my 
> blindness.  NFB sent information and called multiple times. AFB sent 
> information.  I am still waiting to hear from ACB, not.
>  
> Does that change my opinion of the groups? No.  I touched a sensitive spot 
> with NFB.  ACB may not be active in that area, the person responsible for 
> that area may have been on vacation, or that position may be vacant.  I did 
> not need, or expect top quality assistance from each group.  I got what I 
> needed.  Next time it may be from ACB.
>  
> I have personally assisted a number of people, including small children 
> obtain Social Security benefits.  I have assisted disabled servicemen and 
> women obtain their Veteran’s compensation benefits.  My wife and I have 
> assisted many to locate and obtain needed medical assistance.
>  
> Does that mean I am better than others on this list?  I think not.  I may 
> have more education than some, more experience than some, or more 
> opportunities to serve than some.  I have observed many blind people on these 
> lists provide hours helping others.  I know without a doubt that many provide 
> valuable and needed assistance in ways that you and I will never know.
>  
> This does not make us better than you or worse than you.  It may mean we are 
> more observant and seize more small opportunities to be of assistance.  
> Sometimes this includes being politely critical of people and groups that 
> appear to follow a narrow course in their advocacy while claiming to be 
> concerned on all fronts.
>  
> I have stated my opinion on the underlying subject of this thread in other 
> places.  Again thank you for the opportunity to get this pet peeve off my 
> chest.
>  
> Tony
>  
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>  
> you are of those  only has intelligence to criticize what others do for you 
> ...
> You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and 
> accessibility.
> instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you.
> NFB never done anything for you?
> read this and learn.
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Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]

[Eric Oyen]

and yet, the NFB passed a resolution specifically targeting Apple when apple 
was clearly the best in the field accessibility wise. I have far less issues 
with their OS (on the laptop or the iPhone) than I do with the windows machine 
(using jaws or NVDA or even narrator) At least when an app turns out to be 
inaccessible on an apple, it isn't apples fault (hell, they published the API 
for it), it's usually the vendor of the software who decided not to abide by a 
published API.

By comparison, Microsoft and their MSAA is a joke. They don't even pay 
attention to it half the time (witness windows 8 and 10 respectively). Now, it 
is true that the NFB has nagged them over the years to resolve this, but what 
it really took before MS would take this seriously was a lawsuit.

And as for google, their attitude toward us of late has been far less than 
stellar. Ever since they moved the company head ops to India, its been a 
nightmare. SOme of Googles tools are now so inaccessible that they cannot be 
used by a blind person on ANY platform (including their own). THere has also 
been a trend toward going back to some of the older schemes for keeping out 
bots, etc. These schemes, by their very nature, are completely inaccessible 
(like visual only capchas, etc.).

compared to those, apple has been the best performer accessibility wise. It is 
unfortunate that they rolled the accessibility testing division (voiceover) 
into the mainstream development cycle the way they did. It actually created a 
situation where accessibility now takes a back seat to overall OS development. 
An example of this is the nasty bug in the dictation routine that they have, so 
far, addressed.

Given all the above, the NFB proposal as passed smacks of a money grab. Sorry 
to be a wet blanket on those true believers, but thats my assessment.

anyway, I think this thread is now to the point of beating a dead horse, don't 
you think?

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:

> After reading a few messages on this thread, I submit the following:
> To those that say that the NFB hasn't spoken against other major tech
> companies, like Microsoft, Google and Amazon: if you look back at the
> NFB resolutions since 2009, you will find around 20 passed that were
> directed either in praise or disappointment with accessibility
> products from Microsoft, Google and Amazon. Anyone recall all of the
> almost yearly resolutions and protests that the nFB made against
> Amazon over the Kindle line? Yes, that Kindle that many of you have on
> your desk and your enjoyment of its services, you can thank the NFB
> for access to that Kindle. The NFB has spoken up over other access
> issues, like the many Google apps, Microsoft services, and access
> issues from other companies like the Nook from Barnes & Noble. And how
> many resolutions were passed against Apple? Counting this year's: 4.
> Think what you will, but this has nothing to do with money. If it were
> about money, then the NFB would not have brought resolutions/lawsuits
> against Target, Google, or Microsoft, among others.
> 
> Regards,
> Wayne
> 
> On 8/25/16, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
>> 
>> Well said Jonathan! I was not going to get into this fight. I have had some
>> issues also. However, I really understood what Jonathan was saying. I am
>> deeply grateful to Apple for putting a screen reader directly in its
>> operating system, but they truly can do better just as we all can. NFB only
>> pointed this out, and I, for one, hope next year is Android's turn along
>> with other things like nonaccessible web sites and other technology that has
>> not caught up. I have my own thoughts and issues with NFB, but they are
>> holding Apple's feet to the fire and hopefully will do the same for other
>> technology companies. Unfortunately, they have a past history of planting
>> their feet on one entity and stomping them. I know. I was there when they
>> went completely off the grid on a guide dog school which had problems which
>> its students were taking care of. This is another example, but a needed
>> statement too. Perhaps another technology user next year will take on the
>> writing of a resolution against Google or Microsoft or any number of tech
>> companies, and I sincerely hope NFB will pass it with as much gusto as this
>> one. I hope they are not protecting companies that give them money. However,
>> if this had anything to do with Apple making improvement, as a lot of beta
>> testers say, then I am happy.
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mary, my answer to you is:
>> read the post from Jonathan Mosen.
>> 
>> http://mosen.org/that-nfb-resolution/
>> 
>> Às 17:15 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:
>>>  Mario,
>>> Since you don't know me or anything about my history, you are way out of
>>> bounds with your criticism. Just because I don't fall into lockstep, and

Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]

[Eric Oyen]

um, ok. now that you have devolved into the realm of personal insults…. It 
seems to me that you have now lost track of the actual conversation (and as a 
result, lost the argument).

I am not going to insult you or do something as inane as that. What I am going 
to offer is some advice: step back, calm down and take a chill pill.

Now, I believe the original intent of this thread was to point out the NFB 
resolution and how apple and their accessibility figure into this? can we get 
back on topic?

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:

> 
>   sorry, but I'm not your doctor ...
> but I can see perfectly well that you need to change your medication.
> 
> Às 19:01 de 25/08/2016, Dave Mitchel escreveu:
>> excuse me? what do you mean by this statement? be careful what I write? 
>> would you explain this to myself and others on the list?
>> I will take into consideration that you may not understand this sort of 
>> thing could be perceived as a threat. so now please let me know what and how 
>> this was meant.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mário Navarro
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:28 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> david, be careful what you write ...
>> it's just a advice ...
>> 
>> 
>> Às 17:46 de 25/08/2016, Dave Mitchel escreveu:
>>> you have no idea what others have done for themselves and for the blind 
>>> community. stop your gushing and learn when it is best to keep your mouth 
>>> shut.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Mário Navarro
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:08 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> you are of those  only has intelligence to criticize what others do for
>>> you ...
>>> You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and
>>> accessibility.
>>> instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you.
>>> NFB never done anything for you?
>>> read this and learn.
>>> 
>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions
>>> 
>>> Às 16:46 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:
 Two years in a row, and if he has had resolutions which specifically 
 called out Apple. At the first of those conventions, they were calling 
 Google and accessibility champion. Why doesn't NFB spend equal time on 
 other companies, especially google, which is still behind Apple and 
 someways, but they call them a champion? I say as I have said before and 
 should probably stop saying, follow the money. Google sponsor their 
 convention as a champion.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Dacia Cole  wrote:
> 
> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016
> convention.  As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion
> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love
> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement.
> 
> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Dacia
> 
>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I have
>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this is
>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the
>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all of
>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and
>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone heard.
>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed so
>> I can make up my own mind.
>> 
>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote:
>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB
>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate prioritization 
>>> to
>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass despite
>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies.
>>> 
>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant 
>>> surprise
>>> in iOS 9.3.4.
>>> 
>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who is 
>>> an
>>> avowed Apple basher.
>>> 
>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any 
>>> merit
>>> whatsoever.  It certainly causes me to have very little regard for NFB 
>>> and
>>> that organization’s leadership.
>>> 
>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where the
>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming grounds
>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the object
>>> meant 

Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]

[Eric Oyen]

um. I beg to differ with that. there are times when the NFB (of which I am a 
member) makes decisions not based on facts, but simply as a means of getting 
attention. THis appears to be one of those times.

Also, apple is the only company that hasn't contributed to the fund that the 
others have. THis is why they got a free pass when apple didn't .

btw, the software engineer is correct. adding a feature (or fixing a bug) takes 
a lot of time, review of code, testing and more review. This is not a fast 
process and can sometimes take a year or more. would you rather have a good 
working device or go the "release early, release often" model that MS uses 
(often with disastrous results)?

Now, mind you, I am not a coder. I am an IT person with a specialization in 
security. I can tell you that planning proper security has many of the same 
problems in networks that planning and implementing features has in the OS 
world. Everything takes time and costs a hell of a lot of money.

My suggestion, especially for the higher ups at the NFB: quit whining and 
actually start helping out. that's what the technology section is for, isn't it?

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Dacia Cole wrote:

> Thank you for the support of the NFB!!  I'm glad it has provided a
> better stable beta cycle.  No, we don't always make the most popular
> decisions, but we have the progress of all blind people in mind when
> we pass these resolutions.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Dacia
> 
> 
> On 8/25/16, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> To The Jay hawk Fan specifically and all members of the list in general,
>> 
>> Thank you, that was precisely my point.  Apple certainly is not perfect in
>> the accessibility realm, but other tech companies who have a history of not
>> caring in the least about accessibility seemingly get a free pass on this
>> issue!  I’m tremendously grateful for the commitment Apple has made to
>> accessibility and thought the actions of NFB to be disingenuous!
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Roger Frischenmeyer
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find it interesting that the resolution is critical of Apple for not
>>> testing their releases for excess ability and issues around the voiceover
>>> software, yet no resolution called on any other technology company to even
>>> work to make their product. Fully accessible. I wonder if there is a
>>> little pettiness with the national Federation of the blind when it comes
>>> to Apple and truthfully, it makes me question the credibility of that
>>> organization when it comes to software and these topics.
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Re: capchas

[Eric Oyen]

there is a paid service called Rumola that works fairly nicely. It costs about 
$1 for a yearly subscription. It also works on most types of capchas (there are 
at least 3 types that I know of where this isn't the case).

-eric

On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rajmund wrote:

> Hi there,
> Is there an APP similar to Vebisom on windows, that will complete the 
> capchas, where it says type the number string in from the image above, and no 
> audio? Or any meverthods of doing it? Every and all suggestions are welcomed. 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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how can I get a post to be shared across multiple groups using the iPhone Facebook app?

[Eric Oyen]

hello everyone,

well, the subject sums it up best. I have been trying to share across a large 
number of groups on Facebook using my iPhone. unfortunately, the method I use 
now is to select a group to share with. I end up doing that each time for each 
group. is there a way to select the groups you want to share at the same time? 
its that or take all day to share a post across 63 groups that are related to 
the post.

TIA

Eric

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Re: Apple accessibility sucks

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm. well, it appears that the OP might have actually had a problem with his 
cellular carrier. I see this more often than not in areas where the signal 
level varies. Most of the time, it isn't an issue here, but I have encountered 
this problem on more than one 800 number with automated call handling. What 
happens is that the line might change states and it tricks the computers at the 
carrier into believing the call was dropped on the far end.

So, there are 2 possible scenarios here.

anyway, I haven't had to use apples accessibility call center in a while. My 
last experience with them was mostly favorable.

-eric

On Mar 31, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:

> I have only had one problem with them.  That was when I called trying to find 
> out how iTunes for the PC was supposed to work.  The particular individual 
> told me to ask my PC Adaptive software manufacturer.  When I called again the 
> next person I spoke to was ready, able and willing to help. On all other 
> questions, the people were the best recommendation for picking Apple.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "deidre muccio" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:57 AM
> Subject: RE: Apple accessibility sucks
> 
> 
> Odd. I never have anything other than the best of luck with Apple 
> Accessibility.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Ruby
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple accessibility sucks
> 
> I love calling these people only to have the call get hung up on for the 5th 
> time today after the stupid automated system says let me get someone to help 
> you.
> This is the number I am using
> 800-694-7466
> Make it 6 times now from another phone
> I had a strange bill come in from itunes and I can't get to the billing 
> history in itunes it is all blank. I'll just call my cc company and dispute 
> the charge then since apple is to hard to get in touch with and I can not 
> report it since I can't get to my billing info with in itunes since it is all 
> blank.
> 
> Any way anyone have any suggestions? I'm getting very frustrated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver Accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

that is a better response than has been seen by a couple of us so far.

also, I have had some recent experience with a software developer who not only 
wouldn't make some requested changes, but basically told me they don't have to 
or want to (in just those words). SInce their software was the only available 
package for the workplace I was going to go into, there wasn't a lot of choice. 
They did end up learning a rather expensive lesson after I found out who some 
of their other clients were. A firm, but polite, meal to those parties resulted 
in a significant change in attitude, as del as a much more accessible software 
package. I did not involve the NFB or the ACB. Either would have taken too much 
time.

anyway, sometimes you do have to use the stick instead of the carrot. I 
probably need to learn to use the carrot more often.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

> 
> Here is a little longer response with a suggestion of how to get people to 
> vote on the idea at the end.
> 
> 
>   
> Morgan (Help Center)
> Feb 19, 19:34
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Thank you for sending this in. I appreciate your candid opinion about this, 
> and I definitely understand your not wanting to us our app if we don't 
> provide voiceover support.
> 
> As I just mentioned to Scott, another user who mentioned that you would be 
> writing in, unfortunately at this time we haven't been informed of any plans 
> to add that functionality any time soon. I'm so very sorry about that.
> 
> I'd be happy to add this request to the feature request list that we share 
> with the product team.
> 
> If we do introduce this functionality at any point, we will put up an 
> announcement on our blog (blog.issuu.com) and on our help center 
> (help.issuu.com), so please do keep checking these places for updates.
> 
> My team adds tags to all feature requests for specific features (for 
> customers who write in as well as any who post on our community forums), and 
> we do email them when the feature goes live.
> 
> I would also recommend that you add this on our Feature Requests forum so 
> other users can vote on it and add their voice to this request.
> 
> Thank you once again, and don't hesitate to write back if you have any other 
> comments, or visit our helpcenter at help.issuu.com.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Morgan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> time to hit their ratings system and then shotgun it all over Facebook and 
>> twitter. they cannot easily ignore that.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
>> 
>>> True enough.  I just got the same message Christine got so I think they 
>>> have now made a canned message available so that they don’t have to work at 
>>> answering our emails.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Short of flooding  their  app with poor ratings  in the app store and 
>>>> reaching out via their  various social media contacts to put it out there 
>>>> that the  accessibility support of the app and interest in making it 
>>>> accessible is lacking, there’s probably not much that can  be done  other  
>>>> than to perhaps look for an alternative. 
>>>> Maybe with  enough crappy ratings and public complaints, this issue might 
>>>> get more attention by the developers or whoever is in  charge of its 
>>>> design.
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Christine Grassman
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:31 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver 
>>>> Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All:
>>>> 
>>>> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, 
>>>> newsletters, etc., on virtually any topic you can think of.  My son, who 
>>>> is also a VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school’s newspaper 
>>>> which is on the platform. However, it is in an image pdf.  Furthermore, 
>>>> trying to get around the app is nightmarish, and it does not appear that 
>>>> any of the available resources is accessible. 
>>>> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received.  My 
>>>> response to that unhelpful response is first, with the response in the 
>>>> middle, with my

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I find that figure they have a bit low. The reason for that: the U.S. Census. 
Still, it was a number I pulled out of thin air (on the fly) as a means of 
impressing upon these folks that there are a non-trivial number of us out here.

Also, there are other kinds of print disabilities that the NFB isn't counting, 
like dyslexia (which I also suffer from).

I guess my whole point was that I wanted to impress upon these people that 
ignoring a population or market comes with a cost (in the case of the blind at 
all levels and abilities, thats about $5 billion a year from them, their 
friends, families and associates).

also, if you take a look at the total worlds population of the blind (again at 
all levels of capability), the figure is somewhere north of 385 million 
(estimated). so, a 6 million figure is not unreasonable.

anyway, enough said. I stated the letter the way I did for a reason and if you 
want to nitpick numbers, thats your problem.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

> 
> 
> On the NFB web site, I grabbed the below numbers of visually impaired adults 
> in the United States. I know that not everyone, and likely not even a 
> majority are using iPhones:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The number of non-institutionalized, male or female, ages 16 through 75+, all 
> races, regardless of ethnicity, with all education levels in the United 
> States reported to have a visual disability in 2013.
> 
>   • Total (all ages): 7,327,800
> The number of non-institutionalized, male or female, ages 16 through 75+, all 
> races, regardless of ethnicity, with all education levels in the United 
> States reported to have a visual disability in 2013.
> 
>   • Total (all ages): 7,327,800
> The number of non-institutionalized, male or female, ages 16 through 75+, all 
> races, regardless of ethnicity, with all education levels in the United 
> States reported to have a visual disability in 2013.
> 
>   • Total (all ages): 7,327,800
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Eyes-free@ has 3232 members: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!aboutgroup/eyes-free
>> ViPhone@ has 2343 members: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!aboutgroup/viphone
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:24 PM Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> I am using something called extrapolation based on a smaller sample (in this 
>> case, several blindness related groups on Facebook, a dozen or so mac and 
>> apple related blindness mailing lists and other data (including its 
>> prominence of use at the colorado center for the blind). what I have found 
>> is that there are far more blind iPhone users than there are blind android 
>> users (part of the issue is the cost of add on accessibility on some 
>> versions of android phones). I could probably set up a survey monkey page, 
>> spread around the link and ask a few questions in the survey. That would 
>> give me a better (and more credible) sampling. Right now, my numbers are 
>> only preliminary and a liberal estimate at that.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>> > How does 40M iPhone sales in US last year convert to 6M blind iPhone users 
>> > (US or global?)?
>> > Logic is fuzzy...
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > What is this app people are talking about? I can't seem to find the 
>> > original thread about this
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ari
>> >
>> > > On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > well, if they don't care about this issue, lets make them care about 
>> > > something (like their revenue stream). attack that, and they most 
>> > > definitely will care.
>> > >
>> > > -eric
>> > >
>> > >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Rajmund wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >> I take as they never have, and are not about to, care, either.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from an iPad
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 20 Feb 2016, at 8:12 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of 
>> > >>> their statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very 
>> > >>> available to make their app accessible. the second half is

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I am using something called extrapolation based on a smaller sample (in this 
case, several blindness related groups on Facebook, a dozen or so mac and apple 
related blindness mailing lists and other data (including its prominence of use 
at the colorado center for the blind). what I have found is that there are far 
more blind iPhone users than there are blind android users (part of the issue 
is the cost of add on accessibility on some versions of android phones). I 
could probably set up a survey monkey page, spread around the link and ask a 
few questions in the survey. That would give me a better (and more credible) 
sampling. Right now, my numbers are only preliminary and a liberal estimate at 
that.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> How does 40M iPhone sales in US last year convert to 6M blind iPhone users 
> (US or global?)? 
> Logic is fuzzy... 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is this app people are talking about? I can't seem to find the original 
> thread about this
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> > On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > well, if they don't care about this issue, lets make them care about 
> > something (like their revenue stream). attack that, and they most 
> > definitely will care.
> >
> > -eric
> >
> >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Rajmund wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> I take as they never have, and are not about to, care, either.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from an iPad
> >>
> >>> On 20 Feb 2016, at 8:12 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their 
> >>> statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to 
> >>> make their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent 
> >>> than anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the 
> >>> blind and are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). 
> >>> btw, I haven't sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses 
> >>> on this before I did so.
> >>>
> >>> -eric
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the 
> >>>> next update."
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
> >>>>
> >>>> - Original Message -
> >>>> From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
> >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>> Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700
> >>>> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> >>>> VoiceOverAccessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company.  
> >>>> Might I also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and 
> >>>> posting a 0 star rating with a list of complaints.  the more that show 
> >>>> up there, the greater their incentive to change their attitude (and 
> >>>> development cycle).  Also, for anyone using the Android version of this 
> >>>> app, doing the same on the android store should also have a similar 
> >>>> impact.  SOmeone could also start a change.org petition.  The more 
> >>>> attention that is brought to bear on this, the more likely it is that 
> >>>> they will be forced to deal with this..
> >>>>
> >>>> here is the letter:
> >>>>
> >>>> ***
> >>>> Gentlemen,
> >>>> I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or 
> >>>> the lack of it) in your application platform.  I would also like to be 
> >>>> able to use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options 
> >>>> are accessible.  Considering that apple published (free of charge mind 
> >>>> you) their API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no 
> >>>> excuse for your lack of accessibility.  In fact, your statement: "
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to 
> >>>> use screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible 
> >>>> at this time.  We also haven't b

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I am pulling a very rough estimate based on iPhone sales here in the US (some 
40 million units were sold last year alone). That figure has also been 
consistent over the last several years. Given how accessible these devices are, 
friends and families of those who are blind will sometimes give them as a gift 
or help them to purchase one. I started out with an iPhone 3gs given to me used 
from a friend. I am now using an iPhone 5s. I am not so interested in the 6 as 
it is too big to carry conveniently in a pocket. so far, over the years, I have 
spent about $1,500 on contract fees to own one of these. so, its very possible 
for a blind person to get one (if they don't mind paying over inflated 
contractual agreement prices).

-eric

On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Curious, is there a verifiable source for the data point cited of 6 million 
> blind iPhone users? I've heard ranges from 10,000 - 100,000, but millions is 
> a new one.
> Thanks! 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:36 AM Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I take as they never have, and are not about to, care, either.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad
> 
> > On 20 Feb 2016, at 8:12 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their 
> > statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to 
> > make their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent 
> > than anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the 
> > blind and are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). 
> > btw, I haven't sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses on 
> > this before I did so.
> >
> > -eric
> >
> >> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the next 
> >> update."
> >>
> >> Sent from a BrailleNote
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> >> VoiceOverAccessibility
> >>
> >> here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company.  Might 
> >> I also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and posting 
> >> a 0 star rating with a list of complaints.  the more that show up there, 
> >> the greater their incentive to change their attitude (and development 
> >> cycle).  Also, for anyone using the Android version of this app, doing the 
> >> same on the android store should also have a similar impact.  SOmeone 
> >> could also start a change.org petition.  The more attention that is 
> >> brought to bear on this, the more likely it is that they will be forced to 
> >> deal with this..
> >>
> >> here is the letter:
> >>
> >> ***
> >> Gentlemen,
> >> I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or 
> >> the lack of it) in your application platform.  I would also like to be 
> >> able to use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options 
> >> are accessible.  Considering that apple published (free of charge mind 
> >> you) their API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no 
> >> excuse for your lack of accessibility.  In fact, your statement: "
> >>
> >> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
> >> screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at 
> >> this time.  We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that 
> >> functionality any time soon."
> >>
> >> I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any 
> >> blind user who may have to depend on your application to read specific 
> >> publications.  Also, as you do business in the US and contract with public 
> >> institutions (schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide by the 
> >> terms of the US AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended 1996).  I am 
> >> only pointing this out to you to bring to your attention that someone else 
> >> might decide your wallet would make a tempting target.  This is not a 
> >> threat, this is advice you really should heed.  Now, the way I see it, you 
> >> don't have any choice.  THere is already a push on to get other blind 
> >> users to writ

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

well, if they don't care about this issue, lets make them care about something 
(like their revenue stream). attack that, and they most definitely will care.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Rajmund wrote:

> Hello,
> I take as they never have, and are not about to, care, either.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad
> 
>> On 20 Feb 2016, at 8:12 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their 
>> statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to make 
>> their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent than 
>> anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the blind 
>> and are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). btw, I 
>> haven't sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses on this 
>> before I did so.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the next 
>>> update."
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
>>> VoiceOverAccessibility
>>> 
>>> here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company.  Might I 
>>> also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and posting a 0 
>>> star rating with a list of complaints.  the more that show up there, the 
>>> greater their incentive to change their attitude (and development cycle).  
>>> Also, for anyone using the Android version of this app, doing the same on 
>>> the android store should also have a similar impact.  SOmeone could also 
>>> start a change.org petition.  The more attention that is brought to bear on 
>>> this, the more likely it is that they will be forced to deal with this..
>>> 
>>> here is the letter:
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> Gentlemen,
>>> I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or 
>>> the lack of it) in your application platform.  I would also like to be able 
>>> to use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options are 
>>> accessible.  Considering that apple published (free of charge mind you) 
>>> their API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no excuse 
>>> for your lack of accessibility.  In fact, your statement: "
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
>>> screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at this 
>>> time.  We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that functionality 
>>> any time soon."
>>> 
>>> I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any 
>>> blind user who may have to depend on your application to read specific 
>>> publications.  Also, as you do business in the US and contract with public 
>>> institutions (schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide by the 
>>> terms of the US AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended 1996).  I am 
>>> only pointing this out to you to bring to your attention that someone else 
>>> might decide your wallet would make a tempting target.  This is not a 
>>> threat, this is advice you really should heed.  Now, the way I see it, you 
>>> don't have any choice.  THere is already a push on to get other blind users 
>>> to write in and hit you u up on this issue.  Considering the number of 
>>> blindness related blogs, email lists and social pages (on Facebook and 
>>> other social media), this means you might be forced to deal with this 
>>> sooner (rather than later).
>>> 
>>> FYI, data regarding accessibility on iOS is available here: 
>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperie
>>> nce/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Making_Application_Accessible/
>>> Making_Application_Accessible.html
>>> 
>>> please do not do me the disservice of sending a response like the one 
>>> quoted above.  Might I suggest that you change your plans now, while you 
>>> still can.  Considering the number of blind iPhone users (at last count, 
>>> somewhere north of 6 million or so), I would hate for you to have to drop 

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

heheh. sometimes the spell checker misses things it shouldn't. will check and 
send.

-eric

On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

> Just make sure you spell check and proof read it before you send it, and note 
> that the letter represents the wishes of us all.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile
> From Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM -0800, "Eric Oyen" <eric.o...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their 
> statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to make 
> their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent than 
> anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the blind 
> and are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). btw, I 
> haven't sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses on this 
> before I did so.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the next 
> > update."
> > 
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Eric Oyen 
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> > VoiceOverAccessibility
> > 
> > here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company.  Might I 
> > also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and posting a 0 
> > star rating with a list of complaints.  the more that show up there, the 
> > greater their incentive to change their attitude (and development cycle).  
> > Also, for anyone using the Android version of this app, doing the same on 
> > the android store should also have a similar impact.  SOmeone could also 
> > start a change.org petition.  The more attention that is brought to bear on 
> > this, the more likely it is that they will be forced to deal with this..
> > 
> > here is the letter:
> > 
> > ***
> > Gentlemen,
> > I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or 
> > the lack of it) in your application platform.  I would also like to be able 
> > to use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options are 
> > accessible.  Considering that apple published (free of charge mind you) 
> > their API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no excuse 
> > for your lack of accessibility.  In fact, your statement: "
> > 
> > Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
> > screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at this 
> > time.  We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that functionality 
> > any time soon."
> > 
> > I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any 
> > blind user who may have to depend on your application to read specific 
> > publications.  Also, as you do business in the US and contract with public 
> > institutions (schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide by the 
> > terms of the US AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended 1996).  I am 
> > only pointing this out to you to bring to your attention that someone else 
> > might decide your wallet would make a tempting target.  This is not a 
> > threat, this is advice you really should heed.  Now, the way I see it, you 
> > don't have any choice.  THere is already a push on to get other blind users 
> > to write in and hit you u up on this issue.  Considering the number of 
> > blindness related blogs, email lists and social pages (on Facebook and 
> > other social media), this means you might be forced to deal with this 
> > sooner (rather than later).
> > 
> > FYI, data regarding accessibility on iOS is available here: 
> > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperie
> > nce/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Making_Application_Accessible/
> > Making_Application_Accessible.html
> > 
> > please do not do me the disservice of sending a response like the one 
> > quoted above.  Might I suggest that you change your plans now, while you 
> > still can.  Considering the number of blind iPhone users (at last count, 
> > somewhere north of 6 million or so), I would hate for you to have to drop 
> > everything to start dealing with 6 million angry blind people.  so, your  
> > direction is now clear.  take the steps (now) to make your product 
> > accessible.
> >

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOverAccessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I wouldn't exactly call their statement "honest". THe first part of their 
statement is actually a bold faced lie. The tools are very available to make 
their app accessible. the second half is more a statement of intent than 
anything else. Its more likely that they never considered use by the blind and 
are now being forced to admit to it (in a roundabout fashion). btw, I haven't 
sent that letter yet. I was hoping to see more responses on this before I did 
so.

-eric

On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:40 AM, rajmund wrote:

> Hi,
> LOL, least they were honest, and didn't just say, "Will do it in the next 
> update."
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:54:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> VoiceOverAccessibility
> 
> here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company.  Might I 
> also suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and posting a 0 
> star rating with a list of complaints.  the more that show up there, the 
> greater their incentive to change their attitude (and development cycle).  
> Also, for anyone using the Android version of this app, doing the same on the 
> android store should also have a similar impact.  SOmeone could also start a 
> change.org petition.  The more attention that is brought to bear on this, the 
> more likely it is that they will be forced to deal with this..
> 
> here is the letter:
> 
> ***
> Gentlemen,
> I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or the 
> lack of it) in your application platform.  I would also like to be able to 
> use your platform, but find that none of the controls or options are 
> accessible.  Considering that apple published (free of charge mind you) their 
> API on how to interface with their screen reader, there is no excuse for your 
> lack of accessibility.  In fact, your statement: "
> 
> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
> screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at this 
> time.  We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that functionality 
> any time soon."
> 
> I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any blind 
> user who may have to depend on your application to read specific 
> publications.  Also, as you do business in the US and contract with public 
> institutions (schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide by the 
> terms of the US AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended 1996).  I am only 
> pointing this out to you to bring to your attention that someone else might 
> decide your wallet would make a tempting target.  This is not a threat, this 
> is advice you really should heed.  Now, the way I see it, you don't have any 
> choice.  THere is already a push on to get other blind users to write in and 
> hit you u up on this issue.  Considering the number of blindness related 
> blogs, email lists and social pages (on Facebook and other social media), 
> this means you might be forced to deal with this sooner (rather than later).
> 
> FYI, data regarding accessibility on iOS is available here: 
> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperie
> nce/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Making_Application_Accessible/
> Making_Application_Accessible.html
> 
> please do not do me the disservice of sending a response like the one quoted 
> above.  Might I suggest that you change your plans now, while you still can.  
> Considering the number of blind iPhone users (at last count, somewhere north 
> of 6 million or so), I would hate for you to have to drop everything to start 
> dealing with 6 million angry blind people.  so, your  direction is now clear. 
>  take the steps (now) to make your product accessible.
> 
> thank you,
> 
> Eric Oyen
> ***
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear All:
> 
> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, newsletters, 
> etc., on virtually any topic you can think of.  My son, who is also a 
> VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school's newspaper which is on the 
> platform.  However, it is in an image pdf.  Furthermore, trying to get around 
> the app is nightmarish, and it does not appear that any of the available 
> resources is accessible.
> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received.  My 
> response to that unhelpful response is first, with the response in the 
> middle, with my original message at the bottom.  I think this is absolutely 
> something which should be avail

Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver Accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

time to hit their ratings system and then shotgun it all over Facebook and 
twitter. they cannot easily ignore that.

-eric

On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Scott Berry wrote:

> True enough.  I just got the same message Christine got so I think they have 
> now made a canned message available so that they don’t have to work at 
> answering our emails.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
>> 
>> Short of flooding  their  app with poor ratings  in the app store and 
>> reaching out via their  various social media contacts to put it out there 
>> that the  accessibility support of the app and interest in making it 
>> accessible is lacking, there’s probably not much that can  be done  other  
>> than to perhaps look for an alternative. 
>> Maybe with  enough crappy ratings and public complaints, this issue might 
>> get more attention by the developers or whoever is in  charge of its design.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver 
>> Accessibility
>>  
>>  
>> Dear All:
>>  
>> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, newsletters, 
>> etc., on virtually any topic you can think of.  My son, who is also a 
>> VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school’s newspaper which is on the 
>> platform. However, it is in an image pdf.  Furthermore, trying to get around 
>> the app is nightmarish, and it does not appear that any of the available 
>> resources is accessible. 
>> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received.  My 
>> response to that unhelpful response is first, with the response in the 
>> middle, with my original message at the bottom. I think this is absolutely 
>> something which should be available to those who use screen readers. If 
>> others agree, I think we should bombard them with requests to make their 
>> platform accessible. 
>> Christine 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>  
>> From: "Christine Grassman (issuu Support Team)" 
>> Subject: Update from issuu Support Re: Poor VoiceOver accessibility
>> Date: February 19, 2016 at 10:16:27 AM EST
>> To: Christine Grassman 
>> Reply-To: issuu Support Team 
>>  
>> ## Please do not write below this line ##
>>  
>> 
>> Christine Grassman
>> Feb 19, 16:16 
>> 
>> With all due respect, there is no excuse for this. Apple makes available to 
>> developers, free of charge, guidelines for making apps accessible. There's 
>> absolutely no reason not to do this.
>> Christine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Angel (Help Center)
>> Feb 19, 11:51 
>> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
>> screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at this 
>> time. We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that functionality 
>> any time soon. I'm so very sorry about that.
>> 
>> If we do introduce this functionality at any point, we will put up an 
>> announcement on our blog (blog.issuu.com) and on our help center 
>> (help.issuu.com), so please do keep checking these places for updates.
>> 
>> Please don't hesitate to write back if you have any other questions, and 
>> we'd be happy to assist you.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Angel
>> 
>> issuu is on iOS and Android.
>> 
>> To learn more about issuu, please visit our Help Center.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Christine Grassman
>> Feb 15, 22:42
>> 
>> I am blind, as are my children. We use iPhones with VoiceOver accessibility 
>> to access text. I am deeply disappointed that Issuu is not voiceover 
>> accessible. Only some features are accessible, and one cannot find and read 
>> magazines. In this day and age, this is unacceptable. Information should be 
>> accessible to us just as to others.
>> There is no reason why the text of your millions of publications should not 
>> be accessible using a screen reader. I hope that you will address this as 
>> quickly as possible.
>> Christine Grassman
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  
>> This email is a service from Help Center. Delivered by Zendesk.
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Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver Accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

here is a copy of a letter that I propose sending to this company. Might I also 
suggest hitting up their ratings area on the app store and posting a 0 star 
rating with a list of complaints. the more that show up there, the greater 
their incentive to change their attitude (and development cycle). Also, for 
anyone using the Android version of this app, doing the same on the android 
store should also have a similar impact. SOmeone could also start a change.org 
petition. The more attention that is brought to bear on this, the more likely 
it is that they will be forced to deal with this..

here is the letter:

***
Gentlemen,
I recently read a response you sent another user about accessibility (or the 
lack of it) in your application platform. I would also like to be able to use 
your platform, but find that none of the controls or options are accessible. 
Considering that apple published (free of charge mind you) their API on how to 
interface with their screen reader, there is no excuse for your lack of 
accessibility. In fact, your statement: "
> 
> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
> screen reading technology or have a way to make our site accessible at this 
> time. We also haven't been informed of any plans to add that functionality 
> any time soon."

I must point out that your statement above is a slap in the face of any blind 
user who may have to depend on your application to read specific publications. 
Also, as you do business in the US and contract with public institutions 
(schools, colleges, etc.), you are required to abide by the terms of the US 
AMericans with Disabilities act (as amended 1996). I am only pointing this out 
to you to bring to your attention that someone else might decide your wallet 
would make a tempting target. This is not a threat, this is advice you really 
should heed. Now, the way I see it, you don't have any choice. THere is already 
a push on to get other blind users to write in and hit you u up on this issue. 
Considering the number of blindness related blogs, email lists and social pages 
(on Facebook and other social media), this means you might be forced to deal 
with this sooner (rather than later).

FYI, data regarding accessibility on iOS is available here: 
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Making_Application_Accessible/Making_Application_Accessible.html

please do not do me the disservice of sending a response like the one quoted 
above. Might I suggest that you change your plans now, while you still can. 
Considering the number of blind iPhone users (at last count, somewhere north of 
6 million or so), I would hate for you to have to drop everything to start 
dealing with 6 million angry blind people. so, your  direction is now clear. 
take the steps (now) to make your product accessible.

thank you,

Eric Oyen
***


 
On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> 
> Dear All:
> 
> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, newsletters, 
> etc., on virtually any topic you can think of.  My son, who is also a 
> VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school’s newspaper which is on the 
> platform. However, it is in an image pdf.  Furthermore, trying to get around 
> the app is nightmarish, and it does not appear that any of the available 
> resources is accessible. 
> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received.  My 
> response to that unhelpful response is first, with the response in the 
> middle, with my original message at the bottom. I think this is absolutely 
> something which should be available to those who use screen readers. If 
> others agree, I think we should bombard them with requests to make their 
> platform accessible. 
> Christine 
>   
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "Christine Grassman (issuu Support Team)" <feedb...@issuu.com>
>> Subject: Update from issuu Support Re: Poor VoiceOver accessibility
>> Date: February 19, 2016 at 10:16:27 AM EST
>> To: Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: issuu Support Team <feedb...@issuu.com>
>> 
>> ## Please do not write below this line ##
>> 
>>  
>> Christine Grassman
>> Feb 19, 16:16 
>> 
>> With all due respect, there is no excuse for this. Apple makes available to 
>> developers, free of charge, guidelines for making apps accessible. There's 
>> absolutely no reason not to do this.
>> Christine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Angel (Help Center)
>> Feb 19, 11:51 
>> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> Unfortunately we don't have a way for those with visual impairments to use 
>> screen reading technol

anyone have an email for the accessibility dept at apple?

[Eric Oyen]

I have been having some issues lately. It seems I can't file a review of an app 
in the appstore. Every time I try to select anything other than the title, I 
get bounced out. This isn't the only bug in iOS, but its certainly a show 
stopper.

anyone happen to have the email?

thanks,

Eric

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Re: "Light Probe" App

[Eric Oyen]

there is color detector. it can tell you what color even a light is.

-eric

On Nov 23, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Lisa Belville wrote:

> No, and I don't know of any light detector that tells you the color of a 
> light.  With mine it's hard enough to tell which one is blinking, let alone 
> the color.
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> A bus station is where the bus stops. A train station is where the train
> stops.  On my desk I have a work station...
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Schulz" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:44 PM
> Subject: RE: "Light Probe" App
> 
> 
>> Yea but does it say red or green, probably not.
>> To diagnose modem issues, the csr wants to know what color your lights are.
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Lisa Belville
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: "Light Probe" App
>> 
>> Hmm, I use the light probe app every day and it does indicate varying
>> strengths of light and locations by using a different pitch.  You can also
>> tap the screen anywhere while the app is running and it will tell you what
>> percentage of light it's detecting.  Zero through 10% is the lowest pitch
>> and it gets higher as more light is detected even while the phone is being
>> moved around.  As long as the back facing camera is clear, it will indicate
>> light sources if they're present and you can use the rising and falling
>> pitch to zero in on the source.
>> I understand the issue with small LEDs, though.  It's not always easy to get
>> the back facing camera to line up with the suspected light source.
>> 
>> I have this same issue with an old model Colorino.  The opening that detects
>> light is really too big to see single smaller LEDs accurately it makes the
>> same beeping sound no matter how close/far it is from the light source, so I
>> don't even know how strong/bright the light is.
>> 
>> Lisa
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> A bus station is where the bus stops. A train station is where the train
>> stops.  On my desk I have a work station...
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 3:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: "Light Probe" App
>> 
>> 
>> hi,
>> Does anyone else think that we need a revamp of the light probe app? for me,
>> for example, it works in general terms, that is, I get a sound indication if
>> there is a light or if there is no light. but, in these days, with all our
>> different devices/charges/indicators, including flashing LEDs, we need
>> something more specific. I need a clever light detector app! are there any
>> developers out there who might work on this?
>> 
>> just my thoughts, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Nov 2015, at 20:56, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You might be able to do it with Light Detector, but I'm not sure. That app
>>> doesn't cost much, though; I think it's $.99, so it might be worth a try.
>>> There are lights on my washing machine that are roughly half an inch
>>> apart, and if I hold my phone close, I can tell which one is on.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:45 PM, SSEric  wrote:
 
 My rechargeable battery has four little lights to indicate charge level.
 
 Is there any app I could tell if those are lighted? I would have to move
 the
 lens along the row of lights to count how many are on. These are fairly
 close together, usually. (I actually cannot feel these lights, but on all
 other batteries they have been about 1/4 inch apart.)
 
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Re: "Light Probe" App

[Eric Oyen]

if you have an iPhone, there is an app for that. :) its called light detector. 
I use it to determine if the recharge stand for my radios is working, the 
control for the electric blanket and even if there is a light on in the room.

its been handy, although it doesn't see a lot of use.

-eric

On Nov 22, 2015, at 1:45 PM, SSEric wrote:

> My rechargeable battery has four little lights to indicate charge level.
> 
> Is there any app I could tell if those are lighted? I would have to move the
> lens along the row of lights to count how many are on. These are fairly
> close together, usually. (I actually cannot feel these lights, but on all
> other batteries they have been about 1/4 inch apart.)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Eric
> 
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Re: They Want To See My Phone And I can Not Say No, What Should I Do?

[Eric Oyen]

well,
there are a number of means you can use to secure your phone. SOme have already 
been suggested in this thread. I would have to do more digging, but using 
screen curtain, along with a screen lock passcode would certainly be a good 
deterrent to those nosy family members.

also, consider using find my iPhone (it can work with iCloud and can also allow 
you to do a number of things, including remotely disabling the phone). Culture 
aside, its your phone and any way you take to secure it is your business. If 
you feel that you cannot even trust your family to behave accordingly, then go 
with your instincts and take all possible security measures.

-eric

On Nov 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Fazil wrote:

> Hi, list.
> I have IPhone6Plus with IOS9.02.
> In Indian Culture it is ok to ask you to show me your phone if you are my 
> acquaintance.
> Lots of sighted relatives of mine want me to give my Iphone to them so they 
> can see it and I don’t feel comfortable doing that and I can not say plain 
> ‘no’ to them.
> What should I do so they can not use my phone easily?
> Should I mute Voice Over, bring brightness to 0 and put the screen curtain on 
> in order to make it difficult for them to use the phone, or there is 
> something else besides the things mentioned above that I should do?
> Thanks!
>  
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Re: Extending WIFI Signal, was "OFF topic, slightly

[Eric Oyen]

its called bridging mode. most every commodity router can now do it.

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

> I do not know how to do it, but, apparently, one can use an ordinary router 
> to extend the signal of another router.  I suggest that you google extending 
> WIFI signal, improving WIFI signal, or, maybe,  using router as extender, to 
> get more information.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: Regina Alvarado
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> Subject: "OFF topic, slightly
> 
> Off topic but not. I need a device to help boost my wifi. We have a router 
> that belongs to a cable company. What am I looking for to boost signal, and 
> if possible any thoughts on the best one? Thanks for the help, and sorry 
> about off topic. BTW, we have both windows and apple. 
> 
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> reggie & Lex
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deleting items from activity log on Facebook?

[Eric Oyen]

hello folks.

I seem to be running into some trouble here. to begin with, I can't access many 
of the controls on the Facebook site using my current OS X machine. its running 
Lion and the concurrent build of safari for that version.

I tried going to the mobile version of the site and there are some buttons 
called (options for this story) but they don't appear to be intractable. I even 
tried the full site (only to have safari crash out on me). any help with this 
would be highly appreciated.

btw, I even tried this on my iPhone but with the same results (no way to delete 
a posting).

HELP!

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Re: problem with updates in the app store

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there is an easy solution. I would simply erase those specific apps and then 
reinstall from the app store purchases page. check the button for "not on this 
iPhone/device" and it should highlight those items. install as normal and you 
should be good to go.

-eric

On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Dave wrote:

> Hi, just taken a look at my iPhone 4s.
>  
> It says there are 6 new updates available in the app store.
>  
> When i go in to get them, it says update all dimmed.
>  
> and the updates it is showing me, are apps that i have updated recently, in 
> the last week or so, eg facebook and messenger.
>  
> when i look at the 6 apps, it just says open and not download.
>  
> When i come back out of the app store and close it down in my app switcher, 
> it still says there are 6 updates available.
>  
> anyone noticed the same problem?
>  
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Re: strange issues with iOS 8.4 on the iPhone

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ok, did the reboot. the phone is still a little slow to respond. Took over 10 
seconds from the time I tapped the home key until it actually spoke.

I tried the iTunes backup routine here earlier only to have my mac (using 
voiceover) lock up. I had to use Onyx just to clear all the caches and crust 
from the various parts of the OS. I don't have time tonight to do a backup and 
restore as I have to go into the DES office in the morning.

-eric

On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

 
 If you have already shut down the phone and restarted it, then the next step 
 would be to do a soft reset by holding down the power button and the home 
 button for about 10 seconds.  It will automatically shut down and restart the 
 phone.
 If this does not help, then you might want to consider doing an encrypted 
 backup of your phone and then restoring it.  Remember, an encrypted backup 
 also backs up your passwords.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Chris
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello everyone,
 
 I updated to iOS 8.4  about 2 months ago. everything was working fine until 
 the last 2 weeks. Now, I am starting to see some strange behavior.
 Firstly, the phone seems laggy when starting applications (voiceover stops 
 speaking for up to a minute),
 some apps (like Facebook) have their primary screen disappear (giving me 
 bonks while trying to interact with it),
 the Onscreen keyboard doesn't appear in either messenger or Facebook (thus 
 not allowing me to use the dictate function),
 some of the apps in the app chooser won't return to foreground when selected 
 and double tapped,
 storage on the device seems to be incorrect (reports 7gb used with 5 gb 
 remaining and this is on a 16gb phone!).
 
 I haven't tried a reset on the phone yet (I am loathe to try this as I would 
 have to put back in a lot of data such as passwords, etc.
 
 anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve this?
 
 -eric
 
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strange issues with iOS 8.4 on the iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

hello everyone,

I updated to iOS 8.4  about 2 months ago. everything was working fine until the 
last 2 weeks. Now, I am starting to see some strange behavior.
Firstly, the phone seems laggy when starting applications (voiceover stops 
speaking for up to a minute),
some apps (like Facebook) have their primary screen disappear (giving me bonks 
while trying to interact with it),
the Onscreen keyboard doesn't appear in either messenger or Facebook (thus not 
allowing me to use the dictate function),
some of the apps in the app chooser won't return to foreground when selected 
and double tapped,
storage on the device seems to be incorrect (reports 7gb used with 5 gb 
remaining and this is on a 16gb phone!).

I haven't tried a reset on the phone yet (I am loathe to try this as I would 
have to put back in a lot of data such as passwords, etc.

anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve this?

-eric

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

the last time this actually happened, it was part of the Anti-trust lawsuit 
that forced MS to quit favoring their browser over others. It was slipped in as 
part of the settlement conditions.

btw, Apple was not the first organization to actually go with accessibility out 
of the box. THere were 3 Linux Distributions that were already setup to do this 
as early as 1998. Redhat Linux was one of the first, right along with Knoppix 
(a debian dvd live disk). However, apple was the first to realize that they 
needed a standard interface across all their products. Since voiceover got its 
start as part of the audio menu for the iPod Nano, it was decided that this 
would make a good audio interface for their other devices. Not only did it work 
for us, but it made apple the first to create a commercial product that had 
accessibility built in and ready to use (and at no extra cost). I can't say 
that for my old windows smart phone (which I had to pay upwards of $400 just to 
purchase the mobile speak package) and Android just wasn't accessible until the 
later Android versions. Even then, it still requires some sighted assistance to 
get the package installed (Windows smart phone) or turned on (android). WIth 
the iPhone, you can plug it in to a machine, turn on iTunes and go into the 
device settings menu to turn it on (or hit the home key 3 times). How much 
easier is it than that?

-eric

On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has 
 worked on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without losing a 
 law suit to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they could 
 definitely do a better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated statements like 
 this just undermine the points that need to be made.
 
 On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
 got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
 Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start 
 bugging the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android 
 and others), the more likely it is that something will get done.
 
 -eric
 
 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
 
 Does Microsoft do any better?
 
 Andy
 
 From: Mike Hingson
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
 To: VIPhone
 Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
 Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
 While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
 inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
 its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. 
 Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us 
 behind the accessible curve.
 
 On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers 
 to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
 
 Thanks for any info,
 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

like I said, it was slipped in. There was apparently some behind the scenes 
deal making that involved one or more of the blindness orgs and the US Justice 
Dept. They figured that it would be an opportune time to get MS to make their 
OS a bit more accessible. SInce the primary action was an anti-trust lawsuit, 
the secondary action was not widely published.

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 I don't understand. How does Microsoft not including their browser in Windows 
 have anything to do with helping ensure applications are accessible? The 
 iPhone is a more closed system then Windows has ever been, but I don't see 
 this as having anyting to do with this argument, other than a 3rd party 
 screen reader has never been an option on an iPhone.
 
 I agree Apple is doing a great job including accessibility in their products, 
 but if we're talking about history, this hasn't always been the case. I was 
 using a smart phone with a screen reader five years before the iPhone was 
 accessible. I've been using a PC non-stop since 1988, and I don't think that 
 could be said about the Mac.
 
 I also don't see how Microsoft's wealth and the number of lawyers they have 
 on retainer has anything to do with this argument. Apple is wealthier than 
 Microsoft,  has their own set of lawyers and has been using lawyers to 
 protect themselves and their intellectual property longer than Microsoft.
 
 I'm sure I'm seen as a Microsoft defender, but I just don't see how 
 misleading statements about another company furthers this argument at all. 
 Apple, although not perfect, is getting a lot of things right. Microsoft 
 definitely has a ways to go, but I just don't think it's true that the only 
 thing Microsoft has done to improve the accessibility of it's platforms and 
 applications is the result of law suits. Narrator has improved in recent 
 versions of Windows, Windows Phone is now accessible, Microsoft contributes 
 to organizations establishing accessibility standards, and I don't think any 
 of this is just because they lost some law suit recently.
 
 On 07/24/2015 02:47 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 the last time this actually happened, it was part of the Anti-trust lawsuit 
 that forced MS to quit favoring their browser over others. It was slipped in 
 as part of the settlement conditions.
 
 btw, Apple was not the first organization to actually go with accessibility 
 out of the box. THere were 3 Linux Distributions that were already setup to 
 do this as early as 1998. Redhat Linux was one of the first, right along 
 with Knoppix (a debian dvd live disk). However, apple was the first to 
 realize that they needed a standard interface across all their products. 
 Since voiceover got its start as part of the audio menu for the iPod Nano, 
 it was decided that this would make a good audio interface for their other 
 devices. Not only did it work for us, but it made apple the first to create 
 a commercial product that had accessibility built in and ready to use (and 
 at no extra cost). I can't say that for my old windows smart phone (which I 
 had to pay upwards of $400 just to purchase the mobile speak package) and 
 Android just wasn't accessible until the later Android versions. Even then, 
 it still requires some sighted assistance to get the package installed 
 (Windows smart phone) or turne
 d on (android). WIth the iPhone, you can plug it in to a machine, turn on 
 iTunes and go into the device settings menu to turn it on (or hit the home 
 key 3 times). How much easier is it than that?
 
 -eric
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
 
 I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has 
 worked on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without losing 
 a law suit to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they could 
 definitely do a better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated statements like 
 this just undermine the points that need to be made.
 
 On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time 
 we got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 
 Billion Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can 
 start bugging the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, 
 Android and others), the more likely it is that something will get done.
 
 -eric
 
 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
 
 Does Microsoft do any better?
 
 Andy
 
 From: Mike Hingson
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
 To: VIPhone
 Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
 Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
 While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
 inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up 
 to its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. 
 Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us 
 behind the accessible curve.
 
 On Tuesday

Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start bugging 
the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and 
others), the more likely it is that something will get done.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

 Does Microsoft do any better?
  
 Andy
  
 From: Mike Hingson
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
 To: VIPhone
 Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
 Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
 While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
 inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
 its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
 this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
 accessible curve.
 
 On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
 
 Thanks for any info,
 
 Chris
 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

well,
one of the things I have been doing with apps that I want to use but are 
inaccessible is to file a bug report via their appstore review page. THis has 
gotten the attention of at least a few vendors. The more of us that do this, 
the higher the noise for accessibility (and thus the faster they may react to 
it). If the app is totally inaccessible, giving it a rating star of only 1 and 
a comment to the effect that the app is not usable by a blind person might 
start getting their attention (especially if there are 100 or more reviews). 
The app developers will pay close attention to this (as a better rating often 
means more users).

Just a suggestion.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

 While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers 
 would do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps 
 accessible under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm 
 talking mostly about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, 
 and the developers do it because they want to. .  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote:
 
 While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
 inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
 its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
 this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
 accessible curve.
 
 On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
 
 Thanks for any info,
 
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Re: Amazon and CAPTCHA's [was Re: hope this isn't off topic]

[Eric Oyen]

well,
I use Rumola (which is a paid service). It works on most of the capchas that 
are out there. There are a couple of places where they don't work because the 
capcha is actually formed in a java script. One place that does this is the 
aliexpress.com and related sites. I have even tried webvizum without success on 
that one. not sure why though.

-eric

On May 29, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 Accessible options should be provided along side CAPTCHA's and every device 
 should be accessible. Obviously there are some exceptions, but how many 
 people thought touch screens couldn't be made accessible and blind people 
 were just being unreasonable when they wanted accessible cell phones. If it 
 weren't for blind people demanding accessibility and smart engineers at Apple 
 and other companies then you wouldn't be able to be sending such short 
 sighted messages to an iPhone list.
 
 What CAPTCHA solving services are you talking about? I can think ofWebvisum, 
 which isn't being supported any more and only works with one particular 
 browser. I can think of several others which have cropped up and then 
 disappeared. If such CAPTCHA solving services bewcome so ubiquitous then 
 companies will come up with another technology to thwart automated bots. 
 Pinning your hopes on such 3rd party solutions is pretty short sighted and 
 it'll never compare to just having accessibility built in from the beginning.
 
 I'm not ashamed to be part of a community that wants access to products and 
 services that are available to all. Messages like the one below though, that 
 undermines the work being done by those who are working hard to make our 
 world more accessible does make me feel sorry for someone with such a 
 negative view of the world and the blindness community.
 
 On 05/29/2015 06:02 AM, Shaf wrote:
 The same people who complain about a captcha are the same people who
 demand every device, app and beyond to be accessible with no compromise.
 Absolutely pathetic and makes me ashamed to be part of the blind community.
 There are services--incredible services which allow you to easily solve
 a captcha in under a minute. There is a reason that these services
 exist, use them. Don't want to use them? Your loss.
 On 5/29/2015 8:26 AM, Rob Harris wrote:
 I'd love to see the sighted jump through all these hoops to get on,...
 they'd vote with their feet/fingers by going elsewhere. I made a
 screen-reader only page once to see what reaction it got.
 - Original Message - From: Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:54 AM
 Subject: Re: hope this isn't off topic
 
 
 Hi Larry. I don't think that's outrageous. I think flooding them with
 complaints is completely unnecessary. If they did put captions in
 their sign in, get an app like a TapTapSee, save the image to the
 camera roll, and used to Pepsi or some other app like it to give you
 the caption. There's really no need to say we should flood them with
 complaints, especially since there seems to be accessible solutions.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 28, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com
 wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried to order from Amazon lately.  It seems to us that
 they have initiated captias in their account sign in.  If this is so,
 this is outrageous and I think we should flood amazon with complaints.
 
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Re: One Password auto fill?

[Eric Oyen]

well,
I use both jaws on windows and voiceover on my mac whitebook (OS X Lion). Each 
has their strengths and weaknesses. I have run across a situation or 2 where 
the app is multi platform and not accessible either way (I will use chirp radio 
programming software as an example). On both windows and OS X, the opening nag 
screen scroll area is inaccessible using either jaws or voiceover. Jaws has 
that invisible cursor feature (something I wish voiceover had), but that 
doesn't even work on chirp.

anyway, each has their points, but if the software is inaccessible regardless 
of the screen reader, then its the software developers problem to solve (unless 
of course, they don't want our money).

-eric

On May 22, 2015, at 7:36 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 It doesn't need to be stated, but JAWS doesn't suck with everything. Two of 
 the last three jobs I've had have been for large companies and organizations 
 using Windows, and I wouldn't have been able to do those jobs without JAWS. 
 Absolutely no other screen reader on any platform would have given me access 
 to the applications I needed to use to do my job. IMHO, I join this list to 
 talk about and promote Apple products and VoiceOver. and not to read the 
 unfounded and gratuitous putting down of other products and solutions.
 
 On 05/22/2015 07:15 AM, Shaf wrote:
 Perfectly accessible with NVDA. JAWS sucks with everything.
 
 On 5/22/2015 6:49 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 1password is certainly compatible with OS X, iOS and Windows.
 Unfortunately, I have run into the problem where the windows version
 isn't entirely accessible using jaws. in fact, its not very accessible
 here. I sent a note off to the developers appraising them of this
 fact. They are aware and told me that accessibility for screen readers
 was definitely in the development cycle for their next major release.
 I was using jaws when I tried to use 1Password. I have yet to test it
 with NVDA. If anyone here has any idea how accessible it is with NVDA,
 I would certainly appreciate knowing about it.
 
 -eric
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Gmail wrote:
 
 Yay! I'm so getting 1Password for Windows when I get the money!
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Yes for both.
 On 20 May 2015, at 21:52, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Is One Password compatible with Windows and the iPhone?
 
 
 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times
 the memory!
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:05 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: One Password auto fill?
 
 You first have to put in all the necessary information about your
 credit or debit card in 1password application itself.  Once it is
 done, when you are on any page that asks you to fill in the credit
 or debit card details, you activate 1password by pressing the
 shortcut key command+\.  This will prompt 1password to fill in all
 the info.  However, note that if you have more than one credit or
 debit card, when you use the shortcut key, 1password will present a
 window to you in which there will be a table listing various
 categories like logins, notes, and of course credit cards.  You
 first need to press vo+space bar on the category of credit cared
 and in another table, you can choose the card you want to use and
 vo+spacebar on that one and bingo.  You will have the info filled
 in on the page.  So for this reason, it's a good thing to give each
 credit or debit card a name so that you know which one yo you are
 using.
 
 Whilst in 1password application, and when filling in the details
 for your card, remember to interact with various areas which are
 not so obvious.  I can't remember now off-hand but you will be fine
 if you just explore.
 
 Hope this will help a little.
 
 Andrew
 On 20 May 2015, at 02:44, Kim Samco ksa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 FOr the most part I really like this app but right now I'm having
 trouble using the auto fill feature.  In fact, I'm not even sure
 if I'm using the right term.
 
 
 I'm creating a Starbuck's account and want to use my debit card to
 fill the Starbuck's card.  How do I put my debit card infointo the
 Starbuck's account by using One Password?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kim
 
 
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Re: One Password auto fill?

[Eric Oyen]

ok,
thats what I needed to know. thanks.

now all I have to do is get the latest 1Password to work on my Lion OS X system 
here. Or, I will have to find the same version for windows just to get them to 
talk.

thanks,

Eric

On May 22, 2015, at 5:15 AM, Shaf wrote:

 Perfectly accessible with NVDA. JAWS sucks with everything.
 
 On 5/22/2015 6:49 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 1password is certainly compatible with OS X, iOS and Windows. Unfortunately, 
 I have run into the problem where the windows version isn't entirely 
 accessible using jaws. in fact, its not very accessible here. I sent a note 
 off to the developers appraising them of this fact. They are aware and told 
 me that accessibility for screen readers was definitely in the development 
 cycle for their next major release. I was using jaws when I tried to use 
 1Password. I have yet to test it with NVDA. If anyone here has any idea how 
 accessible it is with NVDA, I would certainly appreciate knowing about it.
 
 -eric
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Gmail wrote:
 
 Yay! I'm so getting 1Password for Windows when I get the money!
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Yes for both.
 On 20 May 2015, at 21:52, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Is One Password compatible with Windows and the iPhone?
 
 
 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
 memory!
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:05 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: One Password auto fill?
 
 You first have to put in all the necessary information about your credit 
 or debit card in 1password application itself.  Once it is done, when you 
 are on any page that asks you to fill in the credit or debit card 
 details, you activate 1password by pressing the shortcut key command+\.  
 This will prompt 1password to fill in all the info.  However, note that 
 if you have more than one credit or debit card, when you use the shortcut 
 key, 1password will present a window to you in which there will be a 
 table listing various categories like logins, notes, and of course credit 
 cards.  You first need to press vo+space bar on the category of credit 
 cared and in another table, you can choose the card you want to use and 
 vo+spacebar on that one and bingo.  You will have the info filled in on 
 the page.  So for this reason, it's a good thing to give each credit or 
 debit card a name so that you know which one yo you are using.
 
 Whilst in 1password application, and when filling in the details for your 
 card, remember to interact with various areas which are not so obvious.  
 I can't remember now off-hand but you will be fine if you just explore.
 
 Hope this will help a little.
 
 Andrew
 On 20 May 2015, at 02:44, Kim Samco ksa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 FOr the most part I really like this app but right now I'm having 
 trouble using the auto fill feature.  In fact, I'm not even sure if I'm 
 using the right term.
 
 
 I'm creating a Starbuck's account and want to use my debit card to fill 
 the Starbuck's card.  How do I put my debit card infointo the Starbuck's 
 account by using One Password?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kim
 
 
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Re: One Password auto fill?

[Eric Oyen]

well,
JFW uses a slightly different method of acquiring screen data. So this makes 
some programs easier to use, but can also be a pain for others.

-eric

On May 22, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

 Not sure how it is with NVDA but I'm surprised to hear JFW has trouble with 
 it. It is totally and completely accessible with Window Eyes.
 
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Rick Alfaro
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Eric Oyen
 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 1:49 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: One Password auto fill?
 
 1password is certainly compatible with OS X, iOS and Windows. Unfortunately, 
 I have run into the problem where the windows version isn't entirely 
 accessible using jaws. in fact, its not very accessible here. I sent a note 
 off to the developers appraising them of this fact. They are aware and told 
 me that accessibility for screen readers was definitely in the development 
 cycle for their next major release. I was using jaws when I tried to use 
 1Password. I have yet to test it with NVDA. If anyone here has any idea how 
 accessible it is with NVDA, I would certainly appreciate knowing about it.
 
 -eric
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Gmail wrote:
 
 Yay! I'm so getting 1Password for Windows when I get the money!
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Yes for both.
 On 20 May 2015, at 21:52, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Is One Password compatible with Windows and the iPhone?  
 
 
 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
 memory!
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Andrew Lamanche
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:05 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: One Password auto fill?
 
 You first have to put in all the necessary information about your credit 
 or debit card in 1password application itself.  Once it is done, when you 
 are on any page that asks you to fill in the credit or debit card details, 
 you activate 1password by pressing the shortcut key command+\.  This will 
 prompt 1password to fill in all the info.  However, note that if you have 
 more than one credit or debit card, when you use the shortcut key, 
 1password will present a window to you in which there will be a table 
 listing various categories like logins, notes, and of course credit cards. 
  You first need to press vo+space bar on the category of credit cared and 
 in another table, you can choose the card you want to use and vo+spacebar 
 on that one and bingo.  You will have the info filled in on the page.  So 
 for this reason, it's a good thing to give each credit or debit card a 
 name so that you know which one yo you are using.
 
 Whilst in 1password application, and when filling in the details for your 
 card, remember to interact with various areas which are not so obvious.  I 
 can't remember now off-hand but you will be fine if you just explore.
 
 Hope this will help a little.
 
 Andrew
 On 20 May 2015, at 02:44, Kim Samco ksa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 FOr the most part I really like this app but right now I'm having trouble 
 using the auto fill feature.  In fact, I'm not even sure if I'm using the 
 right term.
 
 
 I'm creating a Starbuck's account and want to use my debit card to fill 
 the Starbuck's card.  How do I put my debit card infointo the Starbuck's 
 account by using One Password?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kim
 
 
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Re: One Password auto fill?

[Eric Oyen]

1password is certainly compatible with OS X, iOS and Windows. Unfortunately, I 
have run into the problem where the windows version isn't entirely accessible 
using jaws. in fact, its not very accessible here. I sent a note off to the 
developers appraising them of this fact. They are aware and told me that 
accessibility for screen readers was definitely in the development cycle for 
their next major release. I was using jaws when I tried to use 1Password. I 
have yet to test it with NVDA. If anyone here has any idea how accessible it is 
with NVDA, I would certainly appreciate knowing about it.

-eric

On May 21, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Gmail wrote:

 Yay! I'm so getting 1Password for Windows when I get the money!
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Yes for both.
 On 20 May 2015, at 21:52, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Is One Password compatible with Windows and the iPhone?  
 
 
 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
 memory!
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Andrew Lamanche
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:05 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: One Password auto fill?
 
 You first have to put in all the necessary information about your credit or 
 debit card in 1password application itself.  Once it is done, when you are 
 on any page that asks you to fill in the credit or debit card details, you 
 activate 1password by pressing the shortcut key command+\.  This will 
 prompt 1password to fill in all the info.  However, note that if you have 
 more than one credit or debit card, when you use the shortcut key, 
 1password will present a window to you in which there will be a table 
 listing various categories like logins, notes, and of course credit cards.  
 You first need to press vo+space bar on the category of credit cared and in 
 another table, you can choose the card you want to use and vo+spacebar on 
 that one and bingo.  You will have the info filled in on the page.  So for 
 this reason, it's a good thing to give each credit or debit card a name so 
 that you know which one yo you are using.
 
 Whilst in 1password application, and when filling in the details for your 
 card, remember to interact with various areas which are not so obvious.  I 
 can't remember now off-hand but you will be fine if you just explore.
 
 Hope this will help a little.
 
 Andrew
 On 20 May 2015, at 02:44, Kim Samco ksa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 FOr the most part I really like this app but right now I'm having trouble 
 using the auto fill feature.  In fact, I'm not even sure if I'm using the 
 right term.
 
 
 I'm creating a Starbuck's account and want to use my debit card to fill 
 the Starbuck's card.  How do I put my debit card infointo the Starbuck's 
 account by using One Password?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kim
 
 
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Re: Facebook issues

[Eric Oyen]

there are a lot of issues.

the biggest irritant happens to be when the app forces focus back to one of the 
buttons. It happens frequently and randomly. there is also a randomly occurring 
issue where the dictate function is not available (button is greyed out). Also, 
the timeline no longer appears to be in any chronological order. 

-eric

On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Nicki keck wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 I am having some weird issues with the facebook app and wondering if anyone 
 else is having these issues.  The biggest issue is that when I go into 
 notifications, I just get upcoming birthdays and then Voiceover will say, 
 “double tap with 2 fingers to ineract with this item.”  Double tapping with 2 
 fingers doesn’t work at all.  I had tried uninstalling and reinstalling the 
 app, and that worked for a day, but now it is back to not working again.
  
 The other issue I that when I go into more and then most recent, I only seem 
 to be able to see the last hour of posts and no more.
 
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Re: Facebook

[Eric Oyen]

you are not the only ones experiencing these issues.
it seems that the feed list gets updated and I get bounced out to the status 
button. the same thing happens in groups, notifications and even requests. I 
have tried, and tried some more to point this out to the dev team at FB, and 
all I get is a form letter response. perhaps its time we filmed the issue as 
its happening, and post it to youtube. perhaps then they might listen. I can do 
this using my mac book here and iMovie. now if more than a few of us did this, 
FB might be forced to have to deal with the issues.

this is a variation on the old FBI saying: if we didn't film it, it never 
happened.
thats how we need to treat Facebook.


-eric

On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Tom Lange wrote:

 Hi,
 The Facebook app definitely has focus issues.  When I flick through the 
 posts, focus jumps down to the icons at the bottom of the screen, and I have 
 to tap somewhere in the middle of the screen to regain focus on the list of 
 posts.  Another thing that bugs me about Facebook in general, not just the 
 app, is that I can't get posts to appear in chronological order. I might see 
 older posts at the top of the page, then some new posts, then older posts, et 
 cetera.
 
 Tom
 
 - Original Message - From: Kim Samco ksa...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 10:32 AM
 Subject: Facebook
 
 
 Hello,
 I'm using the native Facebook app and has anyone else noticed that it kind of 
 jumps around? In other words I'll be reading through my new posts and will 
 jump back to the beginning.
 Thanks,
 Kim
 
 
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