Re: [WISPA] Trango 900 problems
ARQ?Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com Date: 06/26/2013 5:29 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango 900 problems What is the [RF Tx Retry at AP] [RF Tx Retry Maxed Out at AP]?? The SU could be hitting the AP just fine, but if the AP isn't hitting the SU that would cause some issues. For those customers that you are having issues with, try doing su linktest and seeing what their error rate is.Also things to consider are noise floor and any potential interference. Are these customers all located in the same area On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Terry White twh...@ueci.coop wrote: we are using the legacy 900 mhz and having frequent disconnects on a few customers. the only thing i find on these customers is when looking in the ap i find the following line at the bottom of the su info command. all the subs that are having problems have a 0 at the maxed out tx retry. [RF Tx Retry at SU] 0 [RF Tx Retry Maxed Out at SU] 0 Terry White United Services (800) 585 - 6454twh...@ueci.coop "Your Local Satellite Professionals" ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango 900 problems
This message was originally HTML formatted. View in a HTML capable client to see the original version.\r\n\r\nI would assume it is ARQ? check the su's to see if arq is on/off in telnet and/or on/off on the ap. Original Message From: Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com Sent: 6/26/2013 4:30:28 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango 900 problems What is the [RF Tx Retry at AP] [RF Tx Retry Maxed Out at AP]?? The SU could be hitting the AP just fine, but if the AP isn't hitting the SU that would cause some issues. For those customers that you are having issues with, try doing su linktest and seeing what their error rate is. Also things to consider are noise floor and any potential interference. Are these customers all located in the same area On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Terry White twh...@ueci.coop wrote: we are using the legacy 900 mhz and having frequent disconnects on a few customers. the only thing i find on these customers is when looking in the ap i find the following line at the bottom of the su info command. all the subs that are having problems have a 0 at the maxed out tx retry. [RF Tx Retry at SU] 0 [RF Tx Retry Maxed Out at SU] 0 Terry White United Services (800) 585 - 6454 twh...@ueci.coop Your Local Satellite Professionals ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 ap
upgrade instructions, examples and procedures here. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1578608/Public/Trango_900.zip On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Terry White twh...@ueci.coop wrote: I had a trango M900 ap that got hit by lightning and I had to replace it. the one I replaced it with has an older firmware version and is randomly rebooting itself. After some research I found a newer firmware that is suppose to fix the problem but I can’t find step by step instructions on how to upload the firmware to the ap. My command line skills are not that great so any help would be greatly appreciated. ** ** Thanks ** ** Terry White United Services (800) 585 – 6454 816*261*9484 cell twh...@ueci.coop [image: WildBlue] http://www.unitedsky.net/WildBule/index.html [image: DIRECTV] http://www.unitedsky.net/DirecTV/index.html [image: United Sky] http://www.unitedsky.net/UnitedSky/index.html Your Local Satellite Professionals ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image003.jpginline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 ap
Probably going to have to be onsite, tftp is a messy protocol Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 ap
Yes it is messy but I think I got it. thanks. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christian Palecek Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 ap Probably going to have to be onsite, tftp is a messy protocol Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.commailto:ericm...@gmail.com wrote: upgrade instructions, examples and procedures here. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1578608/Public/Trango_900.zip On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Terry White twh...@ueci.coopmailto:twh...@ueci.coop wrote: I had a trango M900 ap that got hit by lightning and I had to replace it. the one I replaced it with has an older firmware version and is randomly rebooting itself. After some research I found a newer firmware that is suppose to fix the problem but I can’t find step by step instructions on how to upload the firmware to the ap. My command line skills are not that great so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Terry White United Services (800) 585 – 6454 816*261*9484 cell twh...@ueci.coopmailto:twh...@ueci.coop [cid:image001.jpg@01CE6828.93450E40] http://www.unitedsky.net/WildBule/index.html [cid:image002.jpg@01CE6828.93450E40] http://www.unitedsky.net/DirecTV/index.html [cid:image003.jpg@01CE6828.93450E40] http://www.unitedsky.net/UnitedSky/index.html Your Local Satellite Professionals ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
SAF does do 17ghz with their Freemile line and I think they also do in the CFIP line. I don't know if Trango makes anything though. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:24 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.itmailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
SAF sells all of our platforms (including Freemile) in the 17GHz band for Europe. Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:24 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
The SAF radios work very well It would be good to try them out. I'm glad we did. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, paolo.difrance...@level7.it Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz SAF sells all of our platforms (including Freemile) in the 17GHz band for Europe. Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:24 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
I can vouch for their 11 GHz, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: The SAF radios work very well It would be good to try them out. I'm glad we did. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *Sent*: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:22 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, paolo.difrance...@level7.it *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz SAF sells all of our platforms (including Freemile) in the 17GHz band for Europe. *Daniel White –* Sales Manager West and Southeast USA *SAF Tehnika JSC* * * Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:24 PM *To:* paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Only way I know of is to use a Trango console cable and use the resetpassword command through hyperterminal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of tcl Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:01 PM To: Wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
If memory serves me there is a button under the rubber boot on the bottom on the AP. http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf. Or if you want to find the IP address of the unit, connect the radio to a computer that is running wireshark, Power cycle the unit. When the unit powers up, it will displat the IP address of the radio. Good luck, Joe Miller www.dslbyair.com 228-831-8881 Quoting Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com: 5830AP Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle mailto:wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl mailto:t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
You mean reboot? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM, tcl t...@loosle.net wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Can you log in, or is that the problem? On 08/30/2012 07:00 PM, tcl wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Reset button? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM, tcl t...@loosle.net wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
You have to have the serial cable ... Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Can you log in, or is that the problem? On 08/30/2012 07:00 PM, tcl wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Does this mean I am an old timer ... =( ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango You have to have the serial cable ... Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Can you log in, or is that the problem? On 08/30/2012 07:00 PM, tcl wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
No, just means you know your stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Does this mean I am an old timer ... =( ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango You have to have the serial cable ... Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Can you log in, or is that the problem? On 08/30/2012 07:00 PM, tcl wrote: Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t Sam Tetherow Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem?___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap?t___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com wrote: I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Grab a new one, configure it, swap it. Then you can bust out the rj11 crimpers and make yourself a com cable. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com wrote: I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
5830AP Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this?Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem?___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap?t___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com wrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.comwrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.comwrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Now I remember that same cover is covered by a little steel plate on the 5GHz...thus Victoria is correct in that you need a serial cable to connect to it. Per the manual it also states that and how to wire one if you don't have it. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.comwrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
No reset buttons on the 5800/5830 series . you can trust me on this one . =( You have to have that cable or you are SOL. RJ11 serial port. Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC http://www.stlbroadband.com/ www. StLouisBroadband.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com wrote: 5830AP mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless mailto:wl-t...@loosle.com Tony C. Loosle Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net Sam Tetherow Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless mailto:t...@loosle.net tcl Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
They actually starting coming with removable rubber doors... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Now I remember that same cover is covered by a little steel plate on the 5GHz...thus Victoria is correct in that you need a serial cable to connect to it. Per the manual it also states that and how to wire one if you don't have it. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.comwrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl t...@loosle.net Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: compose-unknown-contact.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Yeah, no reset button on the 5830, but is on the 900ap. With a serial and a telnet connection I think anything can be reset up. Thanks for the help t Josh Luthman Friday, August 31, 2012 11:46 AM They actually starting coming with removable rubber doors...Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373 ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:34 AM Now I remember that same cover is covered by a little steel plate on the 5GHz...thus Victoria is correct in that you need a serial cable to connect to it. Per the manual it also states that and how to wire one if you don't have it. Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:32 AM Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Josh Luthman Friday, August 31, 2012 11:20 AM That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual.I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830.Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373 ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:17 AM On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug.Pressing the resetbutton will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual:http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Hook up a serial cable, 9600 bits per second, no parity, 1 stop bit and no flow control. hit enter immediately on start-up to stop the boot. at the monitor prompt enter "resetpassword" (sets password to "trango") Enter "main" to boot. log in and set IP (ipconfig address netmask gateway) save ss reboot and proceed to configure with the web browser. Michael C. Hughes CEO Antelecom, Inc. On 8/31/2012 1:02 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: Yeah, no reset button on the 5830, but is on the 900ap. With a serial and a telnet connection I think anything can be reset up. Thanks for the help t Josh Luthman Friday, August 31, 2012 11:46 AM They actually starting coming with removable rubber doors... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:34 AM Now I remember that same cover is covered by a little steel plate on the 5GHz...thus Victoria is correct in that you need a serial cable to connect to it. Per the manual it also states that and how to wire one if you don't have it. Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:32 AM Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Josh Luthman Friday, August 31, 2012 11:20 AM That's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:17 AM On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the resetbutton will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango. I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
Thank you for that! I had just done exactly that! Tony Michael Hughes Friday, August 31, 2012 2:30 PM Hook up a serial cable, 9600 bits per second, no parity, 1 stop bit and no flow control. hit enter immediately on start-up to stop the boot. at the monitor prompt enter "resetpassword" (sets password to "trango") Enter "main" to boot. log in and set IP (ipconfig address netmask gateway) save ss reboot and proceed to configure with the web browser. Michael C. HughesCEO Antelecom, Inc. On 8/31/2012 1:02 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle Friday, August 31, 2012 2:02 PM Yeah, no reset button on the 5830, but is on the 900ap. With a serial and a telnet connection I think anything can be reset up. Thanks for the help t ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Josh Luthman Friday, August 31, 2012 11:46 AM They actually starting coming with removable rubber doors...Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373 ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:34 AM Now I remember that same cover is covered by a little steel plate on the 5GHz...thus Victoria is correct in that you need a serial cable to connect to it. Per the manual it also states that and how to wire one if you don't have it. Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 11:32 AM Ok, well then I don't know. I thought they were the same unit as the 900's with different frequency. The 900's have that port covered with a rubber grommet that has a reset button on the board. The grommet also covers the LEDs. I looked at the manual of the 5830AP and that looked to be the same unit. Regards,Chuck ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango
If it helps anyone, I have 50gal cans stacked with trango gear in my storage area. I know the passwords on all mine :) 2.4 and 5Ghz If anyone needs some more and can't get those to work we can probably work something out... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango No reset buttons on the 5800/5830 series . you can trust me on this one . =( You have to have that cable or you are SOL. RJ11 serial port. Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.comFrom: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoThat's only on the FOX radios according to that manual. I don't see the button on my bigger units, 5800 and 5830.Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: On the bottom there is a reset button under the rubber plug. Pressing the reset button will reset the radio's IP address to factory default of 192.168.100.100, and password trango.I confirmed this with the manual: http://www.barco.cz/en/data/products/download/Access5830_UserManual_F.pdf Regards, Chuck On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Tony C. Loosle wl-t...@loosle.com wrote: 5830AP Chuck Hogg Friday, August 31, 2012 9:45 AM What model radio is this? Regards, Chuck ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Tony C. Loosle Friday, August 31, 2012 9:42 AM I need to factory reset the radio as the ip it was configured with was lost. t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sam Tetherow Friday, August 31, 2012 9:29 AM Can you log in, or is that the problem? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless tcl Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:00 PM Any old timers here remember how to reset a trango 58 series ap? t ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless attachment: image001.jpg ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango Support
Mark, I see you also submitted a ticket, which I've just responded to. Hopefully it will resolve your issue and we can address it further there. -- Scott Chester Sent from my iPhone. On Jan 14, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Mark Theis mth...@socaltelephone.com wrote: Trango Support I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this messages, but.. Is anyone available to do some paid support on a Trango radio? Trango corp said that they can’t help us until Monday. I would prefer to not be down the entire weekend though. It pretty much crashed when we did a firmware update and rebooted it. We can access it via console cable though. Thanks! Mark Theis Chief Technology Officer *Southern California Telephone Energy - SCTE * 1278 Glenneyre Street #76 Laguna Beach, CA 92651 Direct: 951.294.5112 | Cell: 951.545.1013 | Fax: 949.715.5511 *http://socaltelephone.com * image.png * * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex V1.3.0 Stable Yet?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 19:31, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: What issues? I've been running it on two links for some time now and have noticed anything yet. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough? I don't know what issues specifically Trango was referring to, but while the 1.3.0 firmware has been on their Web site for a couple months, it was only officially released about two weeks ago (and one of the files was quietly updated in the interim). Trango Support told me not to use it, even though it was on their FTP site for quite a while (labeled pending release), due to some unspecified concerns they had. I did install it on two Apex links (one 11Ghz, one 23GHz) as soon as they said it was a final release, and I'm happy with it. While it introduced a new cosmetic bug (the Web interface no longer shows the correct Tx/Rx profiles in use, or the Ethernet interfaces' status if you use RPS), that's a minor detail to me. The CLI has correct information for both of those, and the fact that RPS actually WORKS properly (after two years of not working reliably) brings me so much joy. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex V1.3.0 Stable Yet?
What issues? I've been running it on two links for some time now and have noticed anything yet. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex V1.3.0 Stable Yet? I know some people noticed some issues with the Trango Apex V1.3.0 firmware. Have these issues been fixed yet? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango, UBNT amp; Alvarion equipment for sale
sorry earlier, didn't realize it was going to the whole list. Apologies Thanks, Cameron On 9/3/2010 1:20 PM, Jim Wilson wrote: Cameron Kiltoncamat midcoast.com writes: I have: (9) Trango Fox 5580 Units for sale $60 Each or $480 if you buy all of them. (2) Trango 5800 units $75 each Contact me and I'll see what I have for a real good price. Do you still have any 5580 or other trango gear? Thanks Jim 5092941174 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango, UBNT amp; Alvarion equipment for sale
Interested in the Trango units -still have them? How do I contact you offl list? Cameron Kilton cam at midcoast.com writes: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango, UBNT amp; Alvarion equipment for sale
Cameron Kilton cam at midcoast.com writes: I have: (9) Trango Fox 5580 Units for sale $60 Each or $480 if you buy all of them. (2) Trango 5800 units $75 each Contact me and I'll see what I have for a real good price. Do you still have any 5580 or other trango gear? Thanks Jim 5092941174 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org References: 2deb6046$4714cbe7$371893...@com X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live In-Reply-To: 2deb6046$4714cbe7$371893...@com X-Barracuda-Connect: authord.qx.net[64.191.128.91] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282622446 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.38858 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary2145566651== Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010207.4C7344B0.011F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: -2 I'll send you the FTP login offlist, I'm not sure if Trango would like me to post that on the list or not -- but yeah I just installed this on a bench/un-used pair and no problems. Should be putting this unit into production this week. Thanks. On 8/23/2010 16:40, Nick Olsen wrote: Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net *Sent*: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 15:01, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. You may want to be careful with this. I've been waiting for 1.3.0 to fix a pretty big showstopper bug (where RPS will disable the radio's data ports but not re-enable them later), and while there's something on their FTP dropbox, a Trango tech just told me that 1.3.0 hasn't yet officially been released because of a last-minute bug. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Well my bug has been sleeping so far :) Have not noticed anything wrong, but I am very glad to hear they may have finally fixed the RPS re-enable problem that was a nice feature we had hoped to use to reduce cut-over time upon link failure. Thanks for the info. One quick question since this is the right crowd... Does the FCC license for 11Ghz gear need to be posted somewhere at the tower site? I'm guessing it does but I'm not positive and I haven't received them in the mail yet. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from junkmail.mvn.net (mx2.mvn.net [66.232.160.15]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:08:16 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1282759706-3b55545a0004-U6tSLJ Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id xMdyRp9UbYBoGrAM for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:08:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B1CC7ECF for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:08:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28275 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2010 13:08:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Aug 2010 13:08:05 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 27425 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2010 13:07:59 -0500 Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (66.232.160.104) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2010 13:07:59 -0500 Received: from homey.mvn.net (168-1.vhost.mvn.net [66.232.168.1]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F1BC7B34 for wireless@wispa.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181] by homey.mvn.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-10.02) id ABFD0AA4; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:07:57 -0500 Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so794905qyk.5 for wireless@wispa.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.54.65 with SMTP id p1mr5815229qag.270.1282759677361; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.66.198 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 4c72d389.4080...@qx.net References: 4c72d389.4080...@qx.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:07:57 -0500 Message-ID: aanlktik0j9unr6dnzts_==4aqvqzsubqld1bbeq+y...@mail.gmail.com From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary0847689830== Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Barracuda-Connect: outboundmail.mvn.net[66.232.160.104] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282759715 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Bayesian Filtering, Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.4C755C4F.0135,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 1 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 15:01, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. You may want to be careful with this. I've been waiting for 1.3.0 to fix a pretty big showstopper bug (where RPS will disable the radio's data ports but not re-enable them later), and while there's something on their FTP dropbox, a Trango tech just told me that 1.3.0 hasn't yet officially been released because of a last-minute bug. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Hey Steven, I upgraded one of our apex links this morning and its been fine all day in the wild pushing about 50Mb. I have a few questions to compare with you though, I emailed Trango tech support but I never heard anything back. Maybe I have the wrong email, its like they never get them?? First, I could not upgrade the sys_rfm_v130.F915283E file. The bootimage upgrade 4 command returned FAILED. Re-downloaded the file from the ftp site and re-tftp'd it to the radio tried again and still no love - on either radio. I proceeded without it and its been working fine. I'd like to know if you had the same problem and if you know what that system file is for. It looks like a big text file with OIDs or something. Second, after the upgrade, in the web interface under statistics I think, it shows the modulation at the top as QPSK for both sides but it isn't - a speed command or status modem command from the CLI returns 256QAM both sides at 250Mb. The previous v123 firmware worked properly I'm pretty sure I would have notice that before. Lastly, since you were discussing the new firmware on the phone with them do you happen to know any of the changes in this newer version? Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:02:54 -0400 Received: by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B9970C82B1; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:03:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 (2008-06-10) on outboundmail.mvn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A70C83B0 for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22743 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 23:00:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 23:00:54 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 21909 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 23:00:47 -0500 Received: from mx1.mvn.net (HELO junkmail.mvn.net) (66.232.160.16) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 23:00:47 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1282622446-5db900020001-RAC2qD Received: from authord.QX.Net (authord.qx.net [64.191.128.91]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id xuiG780Fx9ExFZmw for wireless@wispa.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:00:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: l...@qx.net X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.191.128.91 Received-SPF: pass (junkmail.mvn.net: domain of qx.net designates 64.191.128.91 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.191.128.91; envelope-from=l...@qx.net; Received: from [64.191.128.136] (unverified [64.191.128.136]) by authord.QX.Net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.840.18) with ESMTP id f0598252...@authord.qx.net for wireless@wispa.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:00:41 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: Error=NoRecords X-Modus-BlackList: 64.191.128.136=OK;l...@qx.net=ok X-Modus-RBL: 64.191.128.136=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 64.191.128.136=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: 4c7343ea.7050...@qx.net Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:00:42 -0400 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org References: 2deb6046$4714cbe7$371893...@com X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live In-Reply-To: 2deb6046$4714cbe7$371893...@com X-Barracuda-Connect: authord.qx.net[64.191.128.91] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282622446 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.38858 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
I downloaded the files but I'm not going first :) Someone let me know if you have a successful upgrade and the link doesn't get blown up. I've bled so much lately (non-related) that I can't self-induce this one. Any successful or non-successful feedback on this upgrade would be very appreciated. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:33:34 -0400 Received: by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A1257C8116; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:34:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 (2008-06-10) on outboundmail.mvn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=7.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5-mvn_2010_0823_1 Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3068C8464 for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22526 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 21921 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 15:01:17 -0500 Received: from mx1.mvn.net (HELO junkmail.mvn.net) (66.232.160.16) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 15:01:17 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1282593676-233c00710001-RAC2qD Received: from authore.QX.Net (authorephp.qx.net [64.191.128.96]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id n9xA72K77brQkMjh for wireless@wispa.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:01:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: l...@qx.net X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.191.128.96 Received-SPF: pass (junkmail.mvn.net: domain of qx.net designates 64.191.128.96 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.191.128.96; envelope-from=l...@qx.net; Received: from [64.191.128.136] (unverified [64.191.128.136]) by authore.QX.Net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.840.18) with ESMTP id g0599898...@authore.qx.net for wireless@wispa.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:01:14 -0400 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: Error=NoRecords X-Modus-BlackList: 64.191.128.136=OK;l...@qx.net=ok X-Modus-RBL: 64.191.128.136=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 64.191.128.136=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: 4c72d389.4080...@qx.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:01:13 -0400 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-Barracuda-Connect: authorephp.qx.net[64.191.128.96] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282593676 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.38826 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Bayesian Filtering, Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.4C72DB5E.00E1,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 1 Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
I'll send you the FTP login offlist, I'm not sure if Trango would like me to post that on the list or not -- but yeah I just installed this on a bench/un-used pair and no problems. Should be putting this unit into production this week. Thanks. On 8/23/2010 16:40, Nick Olsen wrote: Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net *Sent*: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex fiber module
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:30, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Those of you familiar with which ones work do you know which model from this website will work best? http://www.oemoptic.com/ The whole point of SFPs is that (in theory, anyway) they're pretty much interchangeable, so long as you have the same optics at both ends and compatible fiber between. For mine, we've got the official Trango ones in a couple radios, a couple horribly-overpriced Dell ones, and a bunch of $50 ones from Newegg, and they all inter-operate perfectly. If you're using multi-mode fiber (and for a tower, you probably are), something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833516014 will work just fine. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Fox 5580 and 5300 SUs For Sale
Curious, what PtMP platform are you using to replace Trango? -Paul On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Apologies if this is the wrong outlet to send this to, but would anyone be interested in purchasing used Trango Fox M5580 (5.8Ghz) and/or Trango 5300 (5.3Ghz) subscriber units (SUs)? I've got a ton of these to sell. Please reply off-list. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango GigaPlus Experience?
If it's anything like the original Giga, I'd pass. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Fox 5580 and 5300 SUs For Sale
Ebay is the place! I am a buyer and seller of used Wisp equipment. On Thursday 15/07/2010 at 1:03 pm, Steven McGehee wrote: Apologies if this is the wrong outlet to send this to, but would anyone be interested in purchasing used Trango Fox M5580 (5.8Ghz) and/or Trango 5300 (5.3Ghz) subscriber units (SUs)? I've got a ton of these to sell. Please reply off-list. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question
Trango Apexes and Dragonwaves use the same type cable Entry fitting. They are the highest quality fitting on the market in my opinion for THIN outdoor Cat5. Shireen outdoor shielded directburiel cable fits through just fine, and I recommend the use of it, for Trango Apexes. HOWEVER, IF you use THICK outdoor direct buriel cable such as Superior Essex, Beldon, or Mohawk (.4- .45), it will NOT fit through, and makes a very poor design. It is disappointing that there is not an optional Passthru fitting for thicker cable. With Superior Essex what we have to do is, we strip off the outer PVC layer and then the inner layer will fit through the fitting. Obviously this leave a water liabilty to the inside of the outer layer. So... That means water proofing it with Mastic and Electrical tape, just like any other COAX connector needing sealed. This is not pretty. However, the Superior Essex's inner rubbery shield does offer some water proofing, so its not that bad. The connectors are called the Conec system. They can be bought from Conec or Digikey. What we really need to do is convince Conec to amke a revised version to accept the larger diameter Cable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question We use what is provided by Trango. We have never sealed or weatherproofed them. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided. I just don't want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water out or if what is provided is sufficient. Thanks for your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question
We use what is provided by Trango. We have never sealed or weatherproofed them. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided. I just don't want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water out or if what is provided is sufficient. Thanks for your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question
We apply Coax-Seal around the cable clamp gland wrapping it out to the 3/8 armored CAT5 cable, but not around the 1/8 turn locking collar. I agree the Apex cable entries are about as chickenshit as we've ever seen, but so far no water issues when additional Coax-Seal is used. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided. I just don't want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water out or if what is provided is sufficient. Thanks for your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question
Cables from the sides? Drip loop, coax seal or silicone and a WTF letter to the manufacturer. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided. I just don't want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water out or if what is provided is sufficient. Thanks for your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question
Travis has no problems and we all know he has a bunch of them Trangos. Can't argue with results... On 6/10/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Cables from the sides? Drip loop, coax seal or silicone and a WTF letter to the manufacturer. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided. I just don't want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water out or if what is provided is sufficient. Thanks for your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 900AP
I would sell one if you need it. On 5/27/10, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Anyone near Oklahoma have a Trango M900AP they are willing to let go of? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Ok, I think we finally fixed it. It was only happening when it was hot becauseof a loose wire. The PS that came from Trango already had the power connector on it, so we didn't check the set screws that hold the wires into the connector. While I was troubleshooting today, one of the wires fell out. Both set screws were so loose, I'm suprised they stayed in long enough for us to mount the equipment. I tightened them down, and the problem seems to be solved. Cheers, Kevin - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Sure its possible to have a radio that is failing. All I can say isthe easiest and quickest thing to do is to 100% rule out everything else. I have to admit, I jumped to think I had a bad radio twice, even go the replacements shipped, and both times it ended up being cabling after all. The Apexes are pretty solid. There are so many possible ways CAT5 can go bad. And I know, the odds of two cables going bad, (the management and Data) doesn't sound likey, but its possible. the APEX can be powered up by ether management or data cable. You might want to try powering from the other one. For cable damage, the big things are corrosion on the pins, or a bad crimp to one of the pins. Those things are hard to spot, and dont always surface for 6 months or so.. Cable blows in the wind, link goes down, or overheats or shuts down because not getting enough current or to much while shorting out. Now when the APEXs first came out (like the first batch) there was a manufacturering flaw with a part that I think effected Ethernet life, but Trango proactively recalled them, like days after they shipped, and gave free repairs on it. (I was impressed, very responsibly done) But that was ages ago. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100 feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the radio not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely to be an actual power supply issue. I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and cooling down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it when it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm thinking maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react well to heat. Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Ha! Good to hear and you have to love the simple fix! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Ok, I think we finally fixed it. It was only happening when it was hot becauseof a loose wire. The PS that came from Trango already had the power connector on it, so we didn't check the set screws that hold the wires into the connector. While I was troubleshooting today, one of the wires fell out. Both set screws were so loose, I'm suprised they stayed in long enough for us to mount the equipment. I tightened them down, and the problem seems to be solved. Cheers, Kevin - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Sure its possible to have a radio that is failing. All I can say isthe easiest and quickest thing to do is to 100% rule out everything else. I have to admit, I jumped to think I had a bad radio twice, even go the replacements shipped, and both times it ended up being cabling after all. The Apexes are pretty solid. There are so many possible ways CAT5 can go bad. And I know, the odds of two cables going bad, (the management and Data) doesn't sound likey, but its possible. the APEX can be powered up by ether management or data cable. You might want to try powering from the other one. For cable damage, the big things are corrosion on the pins, or a bad crimp to one of the pins. Those things are hard to spot, and dont always surface for 6 months or so.. Cable blows in the wind, link goes down, or overheats or shuts down because not getting enough current or to much while shorting out. Now when the APEXs first came out (like the first batch) there was a manufacturering flaw with a part that I think effected Ethernet life, but Trango proactively recalled them, like days after they shipped, and gave free repairs on it. (I was impressed, very responsibly done) But that was ages ago. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100 feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the radio not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely to be an actual power supply issue. I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and cooling down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it when it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm thinking maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react well to heat. Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Another thing to try is to make sure you have the latest version of the firmware. We have seen Apex links stop passing traffic in rain/thunderstorms with version 1.2.0. Upgrading it fixes it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Hi, Have you done the basic troubleshooting? Checked the cables, connectors for water, etc. Have you rebooted the far side? When it comes back up, what is the signal level? Travis Microserv Kevin Sullivan wrote: Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Voltage on the power supply can be increased if all you need is a shorter power run. On 5/14/10, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Possibly with the Trango rack mount style power supplies (have to go look at one to confirm) or a third party power suppliy, but not with the Trango laptop power supply style. We were using the Trango laptop style PS on this particular Apex as it was a single client user with VERY limited space. There was no room for even a 1U power supply! Now that's limited space! Lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Voltage on the power supply can be increased if all you need is a shorter power run. On 5/14/10, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100 feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the radio not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely to be an actual power supply issue. I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and cooling down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it when it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm thinking maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react well to heat. Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
The Redline an80 5.4 had a cold temperature problem. Your theory is possible... On 5/14/10, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100 feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the radio not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely to be an actual power supply issue. I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and cooling down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it when it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm thinking maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react well to heat. Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
Sure its possible to have a radio that is failing. All I can say isthe easiest and quickest thing to do is to 100% rule out everything else. I have to admit, I jumped to think I had a bad radio twice, even go the replacements shipped, and both times it ended up being cabling after all. The Apexes are pretty solid. There are so many possible ways CAT5 can go bad. And I know, the odds of two cables going bad, (the management and Data) doesn't sound likey, but its possible. the APEX can be powered up by ether management or data cable. You might want to try powering from the other one. For cable damage, the big things are corrosion on the pins, or a bad crimp to one of the pins. Those things are hard to spot, and dont always surface for 6 months or so.. Cable blows in the wind, link goes down, or overheats or shuts down because not getting enough current or to much while shorting out. Now when the APEXs first came out (like the first batch) there was a manufacturering flaw with a part that I think effected Ethernet life, but Trango proactively recalled them, like days after they shipped, and gave free repairs on it. (I was impressed, very responsibly done) But that was ages ago. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100 feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the radio not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely to be an actual power supply issue. I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and cooling down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it when it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm thinking maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react well to heat. Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble How long have you had the link installed? How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on? Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port? We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago. It would run for 15min to an hour and then stop. Turned out even though the Ethernet cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a shorter cable run. Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since. The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble Hello, We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
My experience has been the same. They are getting old and don't keep up with the young kids so well, but they are solid. I've had 2 fail so far - one with a heater issue and this one. On 3/20/2010 5:42 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Overall our Trango APs have lasted very long, been super reliable, more reliable than any other product we have ever used. Many going on 10 years now, without a blip. But, for the few that have failed, one of the commom symptoms is going deaf. It can be hard to troubleshoot because at first, they'll just get lower RSSI for a short period usually at peak Sun/heat time, and get stronger at night. The exact same symptoms occur when there is random noise. The noise resulting in 5-10 db loss, and full strength comes back when noise is gone. So sometimes the only way we know its the radio was to replace the AP, and see if the same problem occurs. Or relocte the AP, and see if it has the same random symptoms. In some cases, the APs go deaf, and CPEs see them with RSSI but cant associate because APs cant hear them. I dont have an exact number, but I know I can count the total failure over 10 years on fingers of one hand, with a finger or two to spare. So it does not happen often. But its one reason I tend not to want to buy used APs. You'd have no way to test if it was flaky before putting it in the field for a while.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrettggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf That is the classic sign of a mid path lightning strike. Kind of like looking at a nuclear explosion with field glasses. It probably hit somewhere closer to the AP than the clients. We had a strike in the middle of a lake... it got the AP and all the clients all around the lake shore, not the Backhaul though because it was a narrow beam pointed up at a mountain not down at the water. That really sucked. On 3/19/2010 2:10 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
That is the classic sign of a mid path lightning strike. Kind of like looking at a nuclear explosion with field glasses. It probably hit somewhere closer to the AP than the clients. We had a strike in the middle of a lake... it got the AP and all the clients all around the lake shore, not the Backhaul though because it was a narrow beam pointed up at a mountain not down at the water. That really sucked. On 3/19/2010 2:10 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
Overall our Trango APs have lasted very long, been super reliable, more reliable than any other product we have ever used. Many going on 10 years now, without a blip. But, for the few that have failed, one of the commom symptoms is going deaf. It can be hard to troubleshoot because at first, they'll just get lower RSSI for a short period usually at peak Sun/heat time, and get stronger at night. The exact same symptoms occur when there is random noise. The noise resulting in 5-10 db loss, and full strength comes back when noise is gone. So sometimes the only way we know its the radio was to replace the AP, and see if the same problem occurs. Or relocte the AP, and see if it has the same random symptoms. In some cases, the APs go deaf, and CPEs see them with RSSI but cant associate because APs cant hear them. I dont have an exact number, but I know I can count the total failure over 10 years on fingers of one hand, with a finger or two to spare. So it does not happen often. But its one reason I tend not to want to buy used APs. You'd have no way to test if it was flaky before putting it in the field for a while.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf That is the classic sign of a mid path lightning strike. Kind of like looking at a nuclear explosion with field glasses. It probably hit somewhere closer to the AP than the clients. We had a strike in the middle of a lake... it got the AP and all the clients all around the lake shore, not the Backhaul though because it was a narrow beam pointed up at a mountain not down at the water. That really sucked. On 3/19/2010 2:10 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
Cruddy linktests as well. Both ways or just from SU to AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
Mostly SU to AP. On 3/19/2010 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Cruddy linktests as well. Both ways or just from SU to AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
Ok. Thanks for posting your experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Mostly SU to AP. On 3/19/2010 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Cruddy linktests as well. Both ways or just from SU to AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf? I have one that was showing RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP. Same on all channels, vert or horiz polarity. Cruddy linktests as well. Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
Hi all, Just to update you, Trango contacted me in the meantime and suggested doing a full 'reset' on each side and then re-entering in all my config, excluding the 'remark,' but including the license key and everything else (freqs, IPs, etc). Doing this did work, and the link is re-established. However, I still cannot reach my units over their assigned IBM (In-Band Management) IP when I am attempting to contact them outside of their assigned Vlan. The reason for this is I cannot (or do not see how) to specify an IBM IP Gateway, although this version of the firmware supposedly adds IBM gateway fixed -- do any of you have similar issues? Thank you. -Steven Steven McGehee wrote: I have a similar issue with an 11Ghz Apex that for some reason, is stuck in debug mode in the command line (and the command to leave that and go back to normal view/config mode isn't working). It's still running the v1p1p1 firmware. Thank you all for your responses by the way -- I did, earlier today, go to each side of the first Apex link I wanted to upgrade which operates in 11Ghz. I plugged my laptop into each Management port on the unit and performed the upgrade per the Manual_TLink_APEX18_Rev1p0.pdf. Everything went well, but after the reboot, the link was down. Fortunately, this is just a secondary link and no customers were on it. I went to the other side of it, and did the exact same procedure there. The link was still down, although the upgrade procedure went by the book. I power cycled both sides, no luck. Any thoughts? All settings were saved just before the reboot (after the firmware updates, the final step is to reboot and I saved the config just before that). I'm going to look more into it tomorrow and report back, but I would appreciate any thoughts in the meantime if you folks have similar experiences. Thanks! -Steven Tom DeReggi wrote: I always find it interesting how different people have different experiences with the same gear. I'm wondering if it depends on what firmware each was using.at the time? Our APEX gear is 18Ghz, and we have not had the same experiences shared by the others. The experience we had was that the management interface became unaccessible after a period of like a month, but data always passed flawlessly. Since we upgraded to the latest firmware, this no longer occurs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
I agree that Trango needs a change log. I thought they had one, but can't seem to find it right now. We recently upgraded an Apex18 and an Apex11 with v122 firmware. The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. The reason the Apex11 was upgraded was because one side would flap MSE readings from -35 to -17 causing ACM to shift modulation from 256QAM to QPSK and even lose link lock status at times. The duration of the issue the couple times we've seen it was relatively short...several minutes...before clearing up all on its own. Trango support seems to think there could be some sort of noise being injected into the radio from the Ethernet port, but wanted us to upgrade firmware first before continuing troubleshooting. Since the upgrade we haven't seen the issue, but again the jury is still out as not enough time has passed since the upgrade. Other than that the rest of our Trango licensed links have been pretty flawless. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question Hi all, Wasn't sure if any of you used Trango APEX 11/18Ghz products. We have a link in production that is using an older firmware that I plan to upgrade to the latest, v1p2r2. I'm unable to find any documentation regarding what this firmware actually fixes or what known issues it has. Does anyone have the details or have this firmware in production? Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
Hello David, Good to hear about your v122 firmware results. Trango couldn't give me any details if the firmware would definitely fix the issue or not. The problem only surfaced every so often, so it was difficult to troubleshoot. Have you run into any copper Ethernet cable length issues that prevent the Apex radios from functioning correctly? We had an installation that required a 250' - 260' cable run and had an issue that would cause the radio to shut down. Sometimes it would be within 15 minutes other times it might be 2 hours before it shut down. Sometimes the radio wouldn't even complete its boot up process. We replaced everything, power supply, cables, DC injector and radio all with the same results. Only after installing another NEMA enclosure in the building roof penthouse for another UPS and the Apex power supply to shorten the cable length were we able to resolve the problem. The odd thing is we have other Apex radios with similar or even longer cable runs that haven't had any trouble. Just curious if anyone else had seen this issue. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
I always find it interesting how different people have different experiences with the same gear. I'm wondering if it depends on what firmware each was using.at the time? Our APEX gear is 18Ghz, and we have not had the same experiences shared by the others. The experience we had was that the management interface became unaccessible after a period of like a month, but data always passed flawlessly. Since we upgraded to the latest firmware, this no longer occurs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
I have a similar issue with an 11Ghz Apex that for some reason, is stuck in debug mode in the command line (and the command to leave that and go back to normal view/config mode isn't working). It's still running the v1p1p1 firmware. Thank you all for your responses by the way -- I did, earlier today, go to each side of the first Apex link I wanted to upgrade which operates in 11Ghz. I plugged my laptop into each Management port on the unit and performed the upgrade per the Manual_TLink_APEX18_Rev1p0.pdf. Everything went well, but after the reboot, the link was down. Fortunately, this is just a secondary link and no customers were on it. I went to the other side of it, and did the exact same procedure there. The link was still down, although the upgrade procedure went by the book. I power cycled both sides, no luck. Any thoughts? All settings were saved just before the reboot (after the firmware updates, the final step is to reboot and I saved the config just before that). I'm going to look more into it tomorrow and report back, but I would appreciate any thoughts in the meantime if you folks have similar experiences. Thanks! -Steven Tom DeReggi wrote: I always find it interesting how different people have different experiences with the same gear. I'm wondering if it depends on what firmware each was using.at the time? Our APEX gear is 18Ghz, and we have not had the same experiences shared by the others. The experience we had was that the management interface became unaccessible after a period of like a month, but data always passed flawlessly. Since we upgraded to the latest firmware, this no longer occurs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
Hi Brad, I haven't had that particular problem, but I am sure that none of our (5) Apex installs have cable lengths of more than probably 200-225'. I did hear back from Trango today by the way, and here's what I was given as what v1p2r2 offers: Changes and Enhancements 1. Support for 14 Mhz channel width for Apex-18E. (speed 6) 2. RF IN/OUT counter fix 3. Ip format OID fix in SNMP 4. New state INPROGRESS added to SNMP ImageUpgradeStatus 5. IBM netmask and fiber port fix 6. IBM gateway fixed Thanks. Brad Belton wrote: Hello David, Good to hear about your v122 firmware results. Trango couldn't give me any details if the firmware would definitely fix the issue or not. The problem only surfaced every so often, so it was difficult to troubleshoot. Have you run into any copper Ethernet cable length issues that prevent the Apex radios from functioning correctly? We had an installation that required a 250' - 260' cable run and had an issue that would cause the radio to shut down. Sometimes it would be within 15 minutes other times it might be 2 hours before it shut down. Sometimes the radio wouldn't even complete its boot up process. We replaced everything, power supply, cables, DC injector and radio all with the same results. Only after installing another NEMA enclosure in the building roof penthouse for another UPS and the Apex power supply to shorten the cable length were we able to resolve the problem. The odd thing is we have other Apex radios with similar or even longer cable runs that haven't had any trouble. Just curious if anyone else had seen this issue. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
The problem with the connector only shows itself on 2ft antennas. If you are looking at the mount from behind the antenna, mounting the antenna on the right with a 2ft antenna will cause you to have to bend the cable at 90 degrees right up against the mounting plate. Trango's solution for this is to rotate the antenna to the other side of the mast. My default it mounts on the right side, but you can switch it to the left. Larger or smaller antennas are unaffected. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Correct, but flipping the antenna to the other side of the pole is NOT always an option. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port The problem with the connector only shows itself on 2ft antennas. If you are looking at the mount from behind the antenna, mounting the antenna on the right with a 2ft antenna will cause you to have to bend the cable at 90 degrees right up against the mounting plate. Trango's solution for this is to rotate the antenna to the other side of the mast. My default it mounts on the right side, but you can switch it to the left. Larger or smaller antennas are unaffected. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
I just noticed you mentioned this problem only affects the 2' antennas, but we have seen the same trouble with 3' antennas as well. Again, we don't use the light duty Home Depot type outdoor CAT5, but a much higher quality armor jacketed CAT5. It is not uncommon for us to find a competitor's light duty outdoor CAT5 split open or damaged after a period of time on a commercial roof. Those HVAC and roofing guys can be brutal to cables. It isn't worth it to us to skimp on the cable. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:30 AM To: can...@believewireless.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Correct, but flipping the antenna to the other side of the pole is NOT always an option. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port The problem with the connector only shows itself on 2ft antennas. If you are looking at the mount from behind the antenna, mounting the antenna on the right with a 2ft antenna will cause you to have to bend the cable at 90 degrees right up against the mounting plate. Trango's solution for this is to rotate the antenna to the other side of the mast. My default it mounts on the right side, but you can switch it to the left. Larger or smaller antennas are unaffected. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
If you have pictures of your install, or anybody for that matter, I'm sure we all would be interested in seeing them. I like seeing other ideas that make my life easier... -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough. But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type you use. We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances. (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as seperate PVLANs, if desired) So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements. What we often do is we use 3ft of Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.) If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch panel. Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX. This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls and such) There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly into the APEX without any junctions inbetween. We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with conectors inside the APEX, I think. It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature rating for Cold. If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp version. So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware like HomeDepot. We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine in most cases. As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful. That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables to the APEX. We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your situation. But if you use conduit for the run, we recommend Liqui-tight, its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up in the spool. If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you can just cut a 6-10 peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex?
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same precautions. If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they decided to use the best. If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then drilling. But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. (Thicker mohawk wont fit). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
This throwback port design from the Trango Summer Engineer Interns Atlas days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky with your results, but inspecting these old style weather proof ports after a period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next generation design. The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from the best type in the industry. Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex radios will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible locations. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same precautions. If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they decided to use the best. If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then drilling. But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. (Thicker mohawk wont fit). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Thanks for all the tips guys. I'll definitely be doing it better next time. Randy On 1/12/2010 10:11 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough. But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type you use. We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances. (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as seperate PVLANs, if desired) So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements. What we often do is we use 3ft of Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.) If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch panel. Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX. This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls and such) There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly into the APEX without any junctions inbetween. We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with conectors inside the APEX, I think. It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature rating for Cold. If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp version. So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware like HomeDepot. We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine in most cases. As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful. That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables to the APEX. We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your situation. But if you use conduit for the run, we recommend Liqui-tight, its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up in the spool. If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you can just cut a 6-10 peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it, but I honestly disagree with your assessment. On Cat5... Trango APEX uses Conex passthrus the same type that Dragonwave uses for their radios. There is a reason high grade radio manufacturers pick thems, they are quality. It is the cream of the crop, period. We've used them all. Dont hold me to this, but I think Conex makes different size passthrue holes for their various caps, and I think the caps are interchangable with the same base units. But I would need to double check that, you might want to explore that possibilty. The Conex passthrues are available through third parties cost effectively. But the fact is, a Passthrue rubber seal hole can NOT be made and proper sized for BOTH thickest and thinnest cable. Its one or the other, and best that it is made for the type cable most commonly used. Especially if there is an option to buy seperately the odd size passthru that you might need. Fiber base plate... Why in the world does it matter what it looks like? The radio is either located on a commerical roof top or 200ft up a tower. It looking like pipe conduit does absolutely no harm. I agree the same Fiber slot metal plate passthru when used on th TLink45 for Cat5, the hole is to small, and wish it was drilled out larger. But on the APEX, the hole is the right size for Fiber cable. And the Conex passthrues are the right size for many CAT5.. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex radios will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible locations. Once again, FUD. The Trango Apex as well as any other Manufacturer's ODU, has the option to turn 90 degrees to change polarities. In that circumstance, IF a connector was on the bottom standard, it would no longer be if turned 90 degrees to the alternate polarity. In Trangos design it guarantees that atleast one of the two connectors is in a downward posiiton, which is better than the alternative of none in the downward position. Lets compare it to Dragonwave Dragonwave's pertude outward from the back, equivellent to ALWAYS being horizontal or from the side. As well, pertruding out in that direction can cause them to bump into back walls or poles behind radio, if aligning at a sharp angle from behind's surface. My point here is that Trango's choice of CAT5 placement is better than the competitors. I'm not aware of any Manufacturer that came up with better placement. PS, I do not mean to attack Dragonwave, its just that Dragonwave is one of the other radios we frequently use, and it was clear in my mind where the CAT5 positioning was, so easy example to compare. Dragonwave's positioning is also exceptable because the Conex Cat5 passthru is weathertight at Horizontal placement. But my point is, Trango's placement is NOT inferior in design. I will admit, that if BRad needs a solution to accommodate a thicker cable, then that is something that he needs a solution for. But that does not mean Trango's design was wrong or bad. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port This throwback port design from the Trango Summer Engineer Interns Atlas days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky with your results, but inspecting these old style weather proof ports after a period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next generation design. The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from the best type in the industry. Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Tom, I give...but only because I just don't have nearly the amount of free time to ramble as you apparently do. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it...snip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave
We are seeing the same issue on a 18 ghz Giga, rf link is great, no traffic. We need to physically reboot one end, software reboot wont fix it. Happens once per month ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Lamothe Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave Has anyone had any experience with this product? We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the same problem. After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two microwaves. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave
We had a problem during storms with one link where the link would show as up but wouldn't pass traffic. Turned out to be a mis-matched ODU firmware. 2.3.9 doesn't auto rateshift back up but was pretty stable. 2.4.0 can have the interface lock up but still pass traffic. 2.4.1 doesn't have the interface lock up but it loses the auto rateshift back up. So, check your firmware and make sure it has the same version on both sides. We had an Apex link that wouldn't pass traffic if we upgraded one side and not the other. So, it seems very critical to have everything identical on both ends. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Kevin Lamotheklamo...@vianet.ca wrote: Has anyone had any experience with this product? We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the same problem. After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two microwaves. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave
Trango just recently released fw 2.4.2 which fixes this problem according to their engineering team. Gino Villarini wrote: We are seeing the same issue on a 18 ghz Giga, rf link is great, no traffic. We need to physically reboot one end, software reboot wont fix it. Happens once per month ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Lamothe Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave Has anyone had any experience with this product? We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the same problem. After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two microwaves. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Trango is not clear on the algorythm's exact details they use to calculate MSE. (I personally believe that is intentional, as it is sorta like a proprietary trade secret, but nobody has said that). What we do know is MSE is the method to evaluated link quality and noise via a single parameter value, to make it easy. The point that I am making is... We should not automatically assume the problem is correctable by radio settings, or possibly assume problem with a radio. Our experience has shown the opposite. Nor should we assume the answer is APEX, when a Giga gets a low MSE. Travis is right about the Apex being a fine radio with excellent value, probably a first choice for many, but there are still many reasons where a Giga is more appropriate to use, and Giga still offers excellent value, and reliable operation. If the MSE is low, (below 32), then there is usually a problem needing addressed. It can be... 1) an antenna moving out of alignment. Note that misalignment may not always reflect itself via lost RSSI, but could also result in picking up more interference or multi-path in some cases, causing degrated MSE. 2) new noise. The first step for troubleshooting, is to disable every advanced feature like AGC, ATPC, Auto Modulation Adjust. Hard set Transmit power and Modulation to a conservative level. That means lower modulation, and that means also slightly lower power, just to rule out transmitter/receive overload, even though at the expense that maybe your RSSI might now be closer to the suspect noise. Also shrink your channel size. If you have a 40Mhz channel, switch to using only 10-20Mhz, to again create more isolation from adjacent channel noise. Sure all these things would take time, and result in short downtime, when radios reconfigured for this. But they are ways to isolate noise Before suspecting a Radio itself or incurring any large cost, like a tower climb, radio repurchase, or a New Freq Coord. There are a couple of ways Noise could be generated by others, even if they responisbly did Freq Coords. For example, what if they got a Verticle Pol Freq Coord, but the installer got confused and accidentally mounted in Horizontal Pol, thinking they were on their allocated channel, but actually they weren't? And also double check that your installer did not make that mistake. Brad made a good point, that it should not be a first choice to change Channels, as that could cause interference with another Licensee. I'd explore all other options first. The ethical thing todo would be to determine what channel is still free from your Freq Coordinator, prior to doing that. I made the suggestion based on... I had multiple links on thesame path, so I could turn down the other link, to borrow the cahannel for testing. That may not be as expensive or hard as some think. For example, when you get your Freq Coord, they may deterine 1 or 2 free channels, so there is a backup channel, in case there was an objection during the PON process for the first one selected (Its easier to assign a different channel, that to negotiate a dispute, and easier to get more info in the original freq Coord, than go back later to repeat it.). So they may already have a record of additional unused channels, or for that matter ones that were not free to avoid. They also have a record of any newer PONs that were sent out in your area. So if no new PONs were sent, the old Freq Cord info would still be relevent and accurate. We also found that at the higher freqs, loss is not always symetrical, dependant on misalignment of one side. With 2 degree beamwidths it can be hard to tell if a antenna moved visually. For example, in one of our cases... We took great care to inspect the antenna mount to the pole, because we mounted to less than 4 dia pole, and wanted to make sure it was secure for long term. But we forgot to inspect the mounts holding the pole to the super structure. And as it turned out, it was the pole itself that moved. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Travis, I assume the Apex Calculates the MSE, and you dont have to input any cable loss figures Got the Apex Manual handy that you can send offlist?, thanks Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Brad, We put 3 Apex units up about 4 months ago. They are basically the same as the Giga, with only a few minor differences. The only frustrating part for us
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Tom Great Piece of info, I was able to lower my channel size from 40 to 10, I lowered my modulation to qpsk, disabled all auto features and set the power to 10 db This are my numbers now: (similar on both ends) (trango-config)# linktest 10 LOCK RSSI MSEBER 1 1 -36.00 dBm -34.57 dB 0.00E+00 2 1 -36.00 dBm -34.57 dB 0.00E+00 3 1 -36.00 dBm -34.60 dB 0.00E+00 4 1 -36.00 dBm -34.63 dB 0.00E+00 5 1 -36.00 dBm -34.52 dB 0.00E+00 6 1 -36.00 dBm -34.56 dB 0.00E+00 7 1 -36.00 dBm -34.53 dB 0.00E+00 8 1 -36.00 dBm -34.60 dB 0.00E+00 9 1 -36.00 dBm -34.55 dB 0.00E+00 10 1 -36.00 dBm -34.63 dB 0.00E+00 (trango-config)# I'll start upping modulation and channel size and confirm where I start to have problems, anyone thinks this is interference? BTW: what (HI) means: 65 1 -37.00 dBm (HI) -34.31 dB 0.00E+00 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Trango is not clear on the algorythm's exact details they use to calculate MSE. (I personally believe that is intentional, as it is sorta like a proprietary trade secret, but nobody has said that). What we do know is MSE is the method to evaluated link quality and noise via a single parameter value, to make it easy. The point that I am making is... We should not automatically assume the problem is correctable by radio settings, or possibly assume problem with a radio. Our experience has shown the opposite. Nor should we assume the answer is APEX, when a Giga gets a low MSE. Travis is right about the Apex being a fine radio with excellent value, probably a first choice for many, but there are still many reasons where a Giga is more appropriate to use, and Giga still offers excellent value, and reliable operation. If the MSE is low, (below 32), then there is usually a problem needing addressed. It can be... 1) an antenna moving out of alignment. Note that misalignment may not always reflect itself via lost RSSI, but could also result in picking up more interference or multi-path in some cases, causing degrated MSE. 2) new noise. The first step for troubleshooting, is to disable every advanced feature like AGC, ATPC, Auto Modulation Adjust. Hard set Transmit power and Modulation to a conservative level. That means lower modulation, and that means also slightly lower power, just to rule out transmitter/receive overload, even though at the expense that maybe your RSSI might now be closer to the suspect noise. Also shrink your channel size. If you have a 40Mhz channel, switch to using only 10-20Mhz, to again create more isolation from adjacent channel noise. Sure all these things would take time, and result in short downtime, when radios reconfigured for this. But they are ways to isolate noise Before suspecting a Radio itself or incurring any large cost, like a tower climb, radio repurchase, or a New Freq Coord. There are a couple of ways Noise could be generated by others, even if they responisbly did Freq Coords. For example, what if they got a Verticle Pol Freq Coord, but the installer got confused and accidentally mounted in Horizontal Pol, thinking they were on their allocated channel, but actually they weren't? And also double check that your installer did not make that mistake. Brad made a good point, that it should not be a first choice to change Channels, as that could cause interference with another Licensee. I'd explore all other options first. The ethical thing todo would be to determine what channel is still free from your Freq Coordinator, prior to doing that. I made the suggestion based on... I had multiple links on thesame path, so I could turn down the other link, to borrow the cahannel for testing. That may not be as expensive or hard as some think. For example, when you get your Freq Coord, they may deterine 1 or 2 free channels, so there is a backup channel, in case there was an objection during the PON process for the first one selected (Its easier to assign a different channel, that to negotiate a dispute, and easier to get more info in the original freq Coord, than go back later to repeat it.). So they may already have a record of additional unused channels, or for that matter ones that were not free to avoid. They also have a record of any newer PONs that were sent out in your area. So if no new PONs were sent, the old Freq Cord info would still be relevent and accurate. We also found that at the higher freqs, loss is not always symetrical, dependant on misalignment of one side
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
It's just how Trango designed the Giga. As I mentioned in an off list email, the modem that calculates the Giga's RSSI is located in the IDU and not the ODU. This is why the IF cable is so critical with the Giga. There were/are reasons why Trango designed the Giga this way (regarding future product enhancements utilizing multiple modems in the IDU for greater throughput capacity), but it would be best that you take it up with Trango if you are interested in that. You need to know what your expected RSSI for the path is supposed to be. That doesn't mean the link will always end up there, but it gives you a starting point. For example we have a link that one end is behind a metal based glass. That link is about 10db off from expected RSSI due to the glass attenuation. Once we accounted for this by adjusting our target rssi we have a much more solid link. The bottom line is, while it may be frustrating for the first time Giga user to get their initial Giga up and running the Giga has proven itself as a solid product. We have several deployed, continue to order them and have been pleased with their performance. Yes, the Apex is an all ODU design and while we haven't deployed an Apex yet, I understand the configuration is a bit more simple. We expect to have a couple Apex's on hand in the next week or two and I'll know a lot more about the Apex once we have them hung. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem That's why I asked, it doesn't completely explain how it works, for example Rssi on end 1 is -39 , mse is -30 targetrssi is -39 Why in the heck if I change the target rssi to -35, the real rssi changes too??? To -35 ...?!?!?! MSE still is -30 I have not changed the power on the other end and atpc is off ...wtf? BTW: The Apex being an all outdoor unit, it's the same? Got the Apex user manual handy? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem MSE concept explained on Page 18 of the manual or page 20 of this pdf... How is the link looking now after adjusting power, target rssi and cable loss settings? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem How the mse would show interference? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Brad, We put 3 Apex units up about 4 months ago. They are basically the same as the Giga, with only a few minor differences. The only frustrating part for us was having to run two CAT5 cables (one for transport, one for management). We had to do that because we don't use VLANs, and that's the only way to do in-band management on the transport interface. It wasn't a huge deal (and could actually come in handy later, because you can run the PoE over either cable, or over both to have redundancy). The coolest option was using the GBIC module to run fiber for the transport. It ended up costing about $300 more per radio for the module and the custom made fiber cable (outdoor rated, etc) but it has been a life saver at one of our FM station repeaters. We will probably be ordering more APEX units this summer to upgrade some of our backhauls that are needing more bandwidth. I don't see why anyone would use anything else when you can get a complete link (including all FCC licensing) for around $11,500. :) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: It's just how Trango designed the Giga. As I mentioned in an off list email, the "modem" that calculates the Giga's RSSI is located in the IDU and not the ODU. This is why the IF cable is so critical with the Giga. There were/are reasons why Trango designed the Giga this way (regarding future product enhancements utilizing multiple "modems" in the IDU for greater throughput capacity), but it would be best that you take it up with Trango if you are interested in that. You need to know what your expected RSSI for the path is supposed to be. That doesn't mean the link will always end up there, but it gives you a starting point. For example we have a link that one end is behind a metal based glass. That link is about 10db off from expected RSSI due to the glass attenuation. Once we accounted for this by adjusting our target rssi we have a much more solid link. The bottom line is, while it may be frustrating for the first time Giga user to get their initial Giga up and running the Giga has proven itself as a solid product. We have several deployed, continue to order them and have been pleased with their performance. Yes, the Apex is an all ODU design and while we haven't deployed an Apex yet, I understand the configuration is a bit more simple. We expect to have a couple Apex's on hand in the next week or two and I'll know a lot more about the Apex once we have them hung. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem That's why I asked, it doesn't completely explain how it works, for example Rssi on end 1 is -39 , mse is -30 targetrssi is -39 Why in the heck if I change the target rssi to -35, the "real rssi changes too??? To -35 ...?!?!?! MSE still is -30 I have not changed the power on the other end and atpc is off ...wtf? BTW: The Apex being an all outdoor unit, it's the same? Got the Apex user manual handy? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem MSE concept explained on Page 18 of the manual or page 20 of this pdf... How is the link looking now after adjusting power, target rssi and cable loss settings? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem How the mse would show interference? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings Wha
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Travis, I assume the Apex Calculates the MSE, and you dont have to input any cable loss figures Got the Apex Manual handy that you can send offlist?, thanks Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Brad, We put 3 Apex units up about 4 months ago. They are basically the same as the Giga, with only a few minor differences. The only frustrating part for us was having to run two CAT5 cables (one for transport, one for management). We had to do that because we don't use VLANs, and that's the only way to do in-band management on the transport interface. It wasn't a huge deal (and could actually come in handy later, because you can run the PoE over either cable, or over both to have redundancy). The coolest option was using the GBIC module to run fiber for the transport. It ended up costing about $300 more per radio for the module and the custom made fiber cable (outdoor rated, etc) but it has been a life saver at one of our FM station repeaters. We will probably be ordering more APEX units this summer to upgrade some of our backhauls that are needing more bandwidth. I don't see why anyone would use anything else when you can get a complete link (including all FCC licensing) for around $11,500. :) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: It's just how Trango designed the Giga. As I mentioned in an off list email, the modem that calculates the Giga's RSSI is located in the IDU and not the ODU. This is why the IF cable is so critical with the Giga. There were/are reasons why Trango designed the Giga this way (regarding future product enhancements utilizing multiple modems in the IDU for greater throughput capacity), but it would be best that you take it up with Trango if you are interested in that. You need to know what your expected RSSI for the path is supposed to be. That doesn't mean the link will always end up there, but it gives you a starting point. For example we have a link that one end is behind a metal based glass. That link is about 10db off from expected RSSI due to the glass attenuation. Once we accounted for this by adjusting our target rssi we have a much more solid link. The bottom line is, while it may be frustrating for the first time Giga user to get their initial Giga up and running the Giga has proven itself as a solid product. We have several deployed, continue to order them and have been pleased with their performance. Yes, the Apex is an all ODU design and while we haven't deployed an Apex yet, I understand the configuration is a bit more simple. We expect to have a couple Apex's on hand in the next week or two and I'll know a lot more about the Apex once we have them hung. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem That's why I asked, it doesn't completely explain how it works, for example Rssi on end 1 is -39 , mse is -30 targetrssi is -39 Why in the heck if I change the target rssi to -35, the real rssi changes too??? To -35 ...?!?!?! MSE still is -30 I have not changed the power on the other end and atpc is off ...wtf? BTW: The Apex being an all outdoor unit, it's the same? Got the Apex user manual handy? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem MSE concept explained on Page 18 of the manual or page 20 of this pdf... How is the link looking now after adjusting power, target rssi and cable loss settings? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Have to disagree with Tom's advice here. It is never a good idea to briefly/temporarily change channels within a licensed band without consulting a qualified frequency coordinator. We did consider interference as a possibility once upon a time, but consulted with our frequency coordinator before trying a different channel plan. Only after indentifying a second available freq pair did we change channels briefly/temporarily just to see if interference was the issue. It was not. While interference is possible in the licensed bands it will most likely be caused by someone briefly/temporarily changing channels when they shouldn't. You can also simply turn off the transmitter on the far side and view RSSI readings. If they show higher than what your expected noise floor should be then you might have an interfering source to hunt down. Simply changing channels at will briefly or otherwise within licensed bands should never be attempted. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
How the mse would show interference? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
That's why I asked, it doesn't completely explain how it works, for example Rssi on end 1 is -39 , mse is -30 targetrssi is -39 Why in the heck if I change the target rssi to -35, the real rssi changes too??? To -35 ...?!?!?! MSE still is -30 I have not changed the power on the other end and atpc is off ...wtf? BTW: The Apex being an all outdoor unit, it's the same? Got the Apex user manual handy? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem MSE concept explained on Page 18 of the manual or page 20 of this pdf... How is the link looking now after adjusting power, target rssi and cable loss settings? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem How the mse would show interference? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
