Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Is the chassis of the PIDU or the PTP600 connected to your common ground? From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 2:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!! So we are moving a site form AC to DC -48 this is the setup:

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Baird
Have you tried isolating the PTP600 with a DC/DC converter (Meanwell RSD, etc) in between the rectifier and PIDU? On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > ill check, but we did a bench test and it did not replicate the issue > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:19

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread David
We have to use the duracom dc dc isolators for them but no issues once we do it. Basically same thing using meanwell product. On 10/07/2015 03:29 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: no, will try- On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Josh Baird > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Bill Prince
Totally true. Apple makes an AirPort tool of sorts for Windows, but it sucks major bronto. What's even worse is trying to admin an AirPort from an ipad. bp On 10/7/2015 11:21 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: My guys hate the Apple routers because they can’t be configured

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
> What's even worse is trying to admin an AirPort from an ipad. Really? Lots of people no longer have a computer, just “devices”. Lots and lots of “devices”. And soon, “things”. Vaguely reminds me of the SNL census taker skit. Well, there’s me ... my wife ... our plants ... we have some

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
Exactly my feelings. I'm perfectly fine with allowing them to do whatever they want following existing aircraft rules, but that means they stay above 500', be licensed and everything else that goes along with that. I'm also fine with commercial drones being allowed to follow the existing rules for

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Perhaps if you posted “no drone zone” like no trespassing signs I think it would be fun to shoot at them. I am wondering if it would be possible to create a line of drones with titanium armor over the expensive bits (motors, batteries, electronics) and have lots of spare parts. Make a

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Gino Villarini
no, will try- On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > Have you tried isolating the PTP600 with a DC/DC converter (Meanwell RSD, > etc) in between the rectifier and PIDU? > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote: > >> ill

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
good, I hope they go bankrupt. These drones need to get reigned in, and it needs to be legal to shoot them down. Assholes have been disrespectful with these things from day one On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > The Federal Aviation Administration wants to

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread chuck
Well, the rules - they are kinda mutually exclusive. Civilian aircraft are to stay 500 feet away from any person, vehicle or structure. Normally that is interpreted as a 500 foot AGL floor unless involved in takeoff or landing. Drones are supposed to be below 500 feet. And Civil aircraft can

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I think if you are going to go off private property or above a certain height the device should have a tamper proof flight data recorder. Any commercial use, flight data recorder. Big, bulky, flight data recorders for all!! That way, if I shoot one down, if it didn't have a flight data recorder,

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Same here, -89 is effectively useless...  It'll also be dragging down all of the other clients on the same sector by using up air time (TDD) causing the radio to do QPSK 1/2 modulation. On 10/7/15 1:11 PM, Jeremy wrote: I would not expect -86 and -89 to

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Jaime Solorza
They connect and pass data @ -90!!! Just finished reconfiguring a SCADA network and needed to make a change on another radio. On a hunch i changed SSID and connected. Saved me a trip to that well site. These are all Bullet M5s Jaime Solorza On Oct 7, 2015 2:11 PM, "Jeremy"

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread chuck
Airport exclusion zone would be important. I would like to limit them to 250 feet. If someone is practicing emergency landings in a rural area, 500 feet could ruin their day. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Chuck McCown
If you put the PIDU and PTP600 on a cardboard box or other insulating surface, can you see –48 VDC on their cases or chassis? From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!! i think so,

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread David
Use a 44MM AA cannon LOL On 10/07/2015 04:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: If they had to follow existing aircraft rules, perfect with the caveat of them being over private property without consent, you should be able to destroy them On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
5.6.2 has no power changes. Power changes came into play 5.6.3beta-something Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > If they were that weak, I'm guessing the

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Jaime Solorza
Shoot them all down.even Ginos. Lol. Now i sound like a Texanwow. Jaime Solorza On Oct 7, 2015 5:29 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Seems to me just make them stay below real aircraft and make it legal to > destroy or catch them if they're over private property

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Justin Marshall
Sorry, That should have read: This AP originally had 6 SM's connected at 5690 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Marshall Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade Hi, I recently

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Jeremy
I would not expect -86 and -89 to stay connected, on any firmware. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: > Sorry, > > > > That should have read: > > This AP originally had 6 SM’s connected at *5690* > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf

[AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Hardy, Tim
The Federal Aviation Administration wants to levy the “largest civil penalty” it has proposed against an unmanned aircraft system operator “for endangering the safety of our airspace” by operating drones in a “careless or reckless manner,” the agency said in a Tuesday announcement. The proposed

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Bill Prince
-89 is not a "usable" power level IMO. bp On 10/7/2015 12:57 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: Hi, I recently updated a UBNT Rocket M5 to 5.6.2 from 5.5.4. Since this update, one of the clients will not connect. This AP originally had 6 SM�s connected at 5490.

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Ryan Ray
Cut down some trees On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > -89 is not a "usable" power level IMO. > > bp > > > > On 10/7/2015 12:57 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: > > Hi, > > � > > � > > I recently updated a UBNT Rocket M5 to

[AFMUG] Mikrotik CRS Management VLAN

2015-10-07 Thread Jason McKemie
So to do this I just need to add a vlan to the master port and put the management IP on that? The example from Mikrotik says something about putting the vlan on the switch cpu port. I'm getting inconsistent results with just the vlan on the master port. -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
Yep. That is marginal at best. I've found MT *much* more stable beyond -83 than UBNT hardware by far. UBNT forums seems to support that as well. The majority flog you for a signal worse than -70. I have a lot of full speed MT links at -79. UBNT seems to need -70s to be stable. You were living

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Rory Conaway
We use AirGateway-LRs now for most homes and AirRouter HP’s when we need more range. Just ran into some inventory issues with the LR’s but they have been better than the AirRouters which we stopped using. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik control an output ip

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I think the problem is this is in the output chain but part of an established connection do it doesn't go back through srcnat I tried marking the connection (new packets with ttl=1) to get it to flow that way, the filter catches it, but the ttl expired doesn't nat, I assume for the same reason I

[AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Gino Villarini
So we are moving a site form AC to DC -48 this is the setup: Emerson Rectifier feeding: Telco System MPLS router Planet Fiber SW 2 Netonix DC Switches 2 SAF POE Injectors 2 PTP600 PIDUs AFAIK all the mentioned gear above are floating ground We have this gear connected to the Netonix:

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Even at several dB more than that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jeremy" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:11:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Sean Heskett
As a pilot I really don't want a drone above 500 feet agl in my airspace. There is already a lot going on and it's hard enough to spot a Cessna or even a king air let alone a tiny drone that can do a lot more damage than a bird strike. We need the faa and nasa to define rules and design the

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread chuck
If you shoot one down, make sure you pick up the pieces. Drone? What drone? I didn’t see no stinkin’ drone. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty I think if you are going to go off

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Bill Prince
I (for one) think you're wrong. But I pretty much loath most things apple, so there's that. I spent almost an hour with an experienced apple user (and an uber geek) trying to find a log file on an AirPort, but they keep removing features from the AirPort. The AirPort is probably running a

[AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Justin Marshall
Hi, I recently updated a UBNT Rocket M5 to 5.6.2 from 5.5.4. Since this update, one of the clients will not connect. This AP originally had 6 SM's connected at 5490. After the upgrade from 5.5.4 to 5.6.2, 2 of the SM's didn't come back. These 2 were not at the best signal (-86 and -89).

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Gino Villarini
i think so, afaik is floating ground On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Is the chassis of the PIDU or the PTP600 connected to your common ground? > > *From:* Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 2:14 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Chuck McCown
But on the bench, the chassis was probably not grounded. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 2:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!! ill check, but we did a bench test and it did not replicate the issue On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
If they were that weak, I'm guessing the clients weren't running at 30dbm EIRP. before v5.6.x, clients could run at full power regardless of whether it was legal in that particular band. So if, for example, we're talking about a NanoBridge M5-25, it could've been (and probably was) running at

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I think the app isn't very good, but the tool on a PC or Mac is really good, intuitive, and works well. I see the app as a web GUI on steroids. It just works. I think the more you play with it the more features you realize it has. I think a lot of my counterparts here on this list just don't

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
Seems to me just make them stay below real aircraft and make it legal to destroy or catch them if they're over private property without permission, and everyone is happy. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:37 PM, wrote: > Airport exclusion zone would be important. I would like to limit

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
they removed some of the encryption modes On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > I recently updated a UBNT Rocket M5 to 5.6.2 from 5.5.4. Since this > update, one of the clients will not connect. > > > > This AP originally had 6 SM’s

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Gino Villarini
ill check, but we did a bench test and it did not replicate the issue On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > If you put the PIDU and PTP600 on a cardboard box or other insulating > surface, can you see –48 VDC on their cases or chassis? > > *From:* Gino Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
If they had to follow existing aircraft rules, perfect with the caveat of them being over private property without consent, you should be able to destroy them On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I have the complete opposite position. Not trolling, that's just

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
Not power changes, but it does automatically limit the clients to 30dbm EIRP on DFS channels now... in 5.5.x, clients just ran full blast if you didn't manually set it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > 5.6.2 has no power changes. > > Power

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Jason McKemie
You can get cheap Chinese drones that look OK (I haven't used them, but the reviews are decent) for less than $100 depending on the features... On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Chuck McCown wrote: > Also charge folks to be the drone pilot so it pits human against human. > I

[AFMUG] Exalt ExtendAir G2 issues?

2015-10-07 Thread George Skorup
For those of you that have had issues with the ExtendAir G2, what exactly were your problems? I have a new 11GHz link that randomly sees the BER go high in both directions and it drops out. RSL at both ends is normal during this. It looks like multipath or interference, but a reboot clears it

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone seen an S-Pipe that sticks into a satellite mount?

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
This? http://www.summitsource.com/images/products/MTP2ST.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Do you mean this thing? > http://bfy.tw/2A21 > > We use them all

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
people are incompetent to operate vehicles in 2D space that's paved with clearly defined lines and signs telling you exactly what you can and cannot do. Put these assholes in 3D airspace from their patio, that will be a clusterfcuk. They also need to apply the same rules of intoxication, you

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CRS Management VLAN

2015-10-07 Thread Jon Langeler
every time I try to understand Mikrotik manuals I end up closing the browser and just figuring it out. They need to simplify CRS Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > So to do this I just need to add a vlan to the

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I bet it's intended for electric buses and similar. Those are labeled CAN, guessing CANbus http://www.kvaser.com/about-can/the-can-protocol/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus tl;dr: it's a messy clusterfuck networking standard that's worse

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Peter Kranz
I wonder why that China module is 50Ah.. while the C provides such a higher energy density. 170Ah.. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Sean Heskett
Well you can get this Octo-copter with 15" titanium blades :-/ it's able to carry a full size studio cinema camera. http://m.dji.com/product/spreading-wings-s1000-plus That's a huge flying blender. Also RC airplanes need the operator within visual range to fly them because they don't have an

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtendAir G2 issues?

2015-10-07 Thread George Skorup
Turns out I was wrong. The high side RSL drops to -99. So it looks like the low side Tx is stalling and a reboot of that end only will resolve it for a while. Guess we'll be replacing the low end. On 10/7/2015 1:33 AM, George Skorup wrote: For those of you that have had issues with the

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If it matches with the 48V lithium-ion based battery packs I've seen from battery-pack-assemblers in China, using 18650 cells, it will be about 4x to 5x more costly than the equivalent $/Wh ratio capacity of a string composed of 12V 200Ah AGM batteries. On

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Lewis Bergman
Chinese cells bite. In the two way batteries they last about 1/3 as long, durability wise and never perform to rated capacity. Japanese cells in the other hand, top notch. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015, 7:33 PM Peter Kranz wrote: > I wonder why that China module is 50Ah.. while the

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth Overages

2015-10-07 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Matt, We don't charge yet. If it is a one time deal we usually let it slide. If it is on going we kindly ask them to go to the next level. Still have some abusers, so i'm currently evaluating different plans. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Darin Steffl
I got it figured out! So under Ports tab, there is a very small checkbox labeled "PS" for "POE Smart" and once I removed the checkbox and went back to 24V, the radio booted right up at 1G. So it does work apparently with PoE Smart turned off. Hope this won't hurt the radio in some way. On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I guess they could define some rules, like in a collision the drone must do less damage than a duck. Make the rotors out of polystyrene. I've been wondering, are they really worse than model airplanes? Those are made of wood, carry nitro methane for fuel, and fly faster than a drone. To my

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Darin Steffl
Missed that. There was so many emails right away I'm sure I missed it on my cellphone. Thanks! On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > See my previous email in this thread: > > "Ok - so it seems you need to disable the 'PoE Smart' function on the > Netonix

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread TJ Trout
Does everything power normally prior to the fuse blowing? Does the ptp600 power and ping? Is the fuse properly sized? On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, David wrote: > We have to use the duracom dc dc isolators for them but no issues once we > do it. > Basically same thing

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
I see the hawk-vs-drone and kangaroo-vs-drone videos on Youtube, and think you just need a trained hawk. Or kangaroo. I don’t know what happened to that guy’s drone, officer, I think it had a run-in with some wildlife. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:33 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Bill Prince
~~ 7,000 watt-hours. Not bad. Is it just a battery? What's available on the two ethernet ports and USB port? bp On 10/7/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: Check this out.. 48V 160Ah Lithium battery module.. I�m thinking this could be a very interesting

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
That's definitely true. The times are usually detailed when you order them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 8, 2015 12:06 AM, "George Skorup" wrote: > I remember Ken pointing out that even fast-blow fuses

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth Overages

2015-10-07 Thread Jeremy
300GB per month, .50 cents per GB thereafter On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Matt wrote: > For those doing bandwidth quotas what and how are you charging for > overages? >

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
random thing from china: http://jycbattery.en.alibaba.com/product/60242486785-801546525/New_4U_48V_50Ah_Telecom_Backup_LiFePO4_Lithium_ion_polymer_Battery.html search alibaba for 48V lithium ion and you will find more. I am highly skeptical of the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Darin Steffl
Next question, The voltage range of these AP's is 22V to 56V with the stock poe putting out 30V. Would you recommend us set the Netonix switch to 24V or 48V? The runs are short at 20 feet so I'm assuming 24V would be perfectly fine unless there is some advantage to going up to 48V output maybe

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
Why can't they do both? at least have a simple web GUI to do basic configuration... I suppose they just have to be different for the sake of being different. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > I (for one) think you're wrong. But I pretty much loath most

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Mathew Howard
That is not a bad idea... I would pay to do that. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Also charge folks to be the drone pilot so it pits human against human. > I would pay... > > Hmmm, what do cheap drones cost? > > *From:* Chuck McCown >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Darin Steffl
So an update here. I am using the Netonix WS-12-250-AC switch running firmware 1.3.3 which is the latest stable version. I tried a 5ghz and 2.4ghz sync AP and tried turning it on with 24V and 48V on both models and cannot get it to work with standard pinouts. This is from the log on the Netonix.

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Model airplanes are rarely flown beyond line of sight from the operator. With a modern GPS fed flight controller you can program a set of waypoints into a medium/large quad, hex or Octo that will take it way beyond where you can see it. On Oct 7, 2015 7:14 PM, "Adam Moffett"

[AFMUG] Bandwidth Overages

2015-10-07 Thread Matt
For those doing bandwidth quotas what and how are you charging for overages?

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

2015-10-07 Thread Jeremy
I think you are on to something there Chuck! Interactive drone shooting. It would definitely be a hit here in Utah... On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I see the hawk-vs-drone and kangaroo-vs-drone videos on Youtube, and think > you just need a trained hawk.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Bill Prince
C Technologies: https://www.cdtechno.com/product/lithium/lithium.html bp On 10/7/2015 5:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I bet it's intended for electric buses and similar. Those are labeled CAN, guessing CANbus http://www.kvaser.com/about-can/the-can-protocol/

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Work
A mikrotik or AirRouter are the only 2 good options now days in the low price range heard good things about netgear NightHawk but too pricey if you want something cheap easy to config good range and it have to ability to do anything your SM's can and be able to monitor them just like a SM go

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Baird
See my previous email in this thread: "Ok - so it seems you need to disable the 'PoE Smart' function on the Netonix interface for it to work. This switch is running 1.3.4." :) On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > I got it figured out! > > So under

Re: [AFMUG] Issue with a -48 vdc Site! ground loop? Please Help!!

2015-10-07 Thread George Skorup
I remember Ken pointing out that even fast-blow fuses have a time delay. If they're running right up around the limit, it does take time to open. I think the last thing you want to do is put in a bigger fuse if you suspect return path and/or polarity issues. Mixed voltages and -/+ return can

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting battery backup development..

2015-10-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I wonder if that thing from China is any good if they build it with Matsushita (Panasonic) 18650 cells in packs. Does the battery management controller suck? 4RU high for 2.4 kWh capacity is not so bad compared to a lead acid battery shelf. If they really want to

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Especially from 4chan types like this kid seems to be. Patrick Leary, Telrad 727-501-3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issueyah, get a life dude as

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
Jay, I was talking other ISP, not just WISP. I have a good working relationship with the local cable company and Bellsouth back in the day. We kinda kept each other in the loop, particularly when the customer was disconnected due to federal offenses over the Internet. We started adding rude

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
I've had the Netgear 3700 series completely blow out the 2.4GHz band for 60 seconds every 5 minutes, two different ones. Not sure of the exact model, been a little while since I fooled with one. MT assured us on the forum that they are seeking UNII certifications. I'm not banking on it and

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Baird
.. again, no comments about the Cambium cnPilot stuff? Even from WISPs that primarily use Cambium gear? Sounds like a decent feature set; PoE, ATA, centralized management, dual band, etc. Haven't seen any in action, but at least it sounds promising. > On Oct 7, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Glen Waldrop

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
camium isn't known for their centralized management of anything being a good investment On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > .. again, no comments about the Cambium cnPilot stuff? Even from WISPs > that primarily use Cambium gear? > > Sounds like a decent

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Baird
Agreed.. Hopefully this new stuff will be better. Maybe not. > On Oct 7, 2015, at 3:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > wrote: > > camium isn't known for their centralized management of anything being a good > investment > >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
Never messed with it. As someone mentioned above, if it isn't on store shelves it might as well not exist for 90% of our customers. Very few can wait 3 days shipping for a quality part when they could have a horribly unstable WIFI router today. - Original Message - From: Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone seen an S-Pipe that sticks into a satellite mount?

2015-10-07 Thread Rory Conaway
Funny, I tried multiple searches, didn’t find it. Just got home from a 16-hour day though so, probably wasn’t thinking too clearly. Thanks. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone seen an S-Pipe that sticks into a satellite mount?

2015-10-07 Thread Rory Conaway
Found that one but other pictures had that included with a wall mount. Thanks. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone seen an S-Pipe that sticks into a satellite mount?

[AFMUG] PTP600 on -48v

2015-10-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Please refresh my mind on how to connect a ptp600 on a -48 system?

Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

2015-10-07 Thread Carl Peterson
Thanks Mat. I was talking about the thread that George posted. http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/450d-losing-sync/td-p/45012 On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis < matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote: > Alignment tone was broken in 13.3. This is in the

Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

2015-10-07 Thread Carl Peterson
Doh. Anyone from Cambium want to chime in on the scope of the manufacturing issue? FYI, We installed one today on an AP running 13.2.1.3 and it seems to work fine but the aim tool isn't working. SM running 13.3 out of the box. Is there an issue with the aim tone on these? On Tue, Oct 6, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

2015-10-07 Thread Matt Mangriotis
Alignment tone was broken in 13.3. This is in the release notes. Recommend you move to R13.4. I am unsure of the “manufacturing issue” you refer to. We have had a couple reports that 450d units were affected by the same manufacturing quality issue that affected some other 5 GHz 450 SMs

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
How did someone get $210 past due? Just turn off his service in 5 days. If your customers own the radio, you’re done. If not, you have to decide whether to kiss it goodbye or go and retrieve it, and whether to have the police accompany you in case of incident. If it’s a 900 FSK, those are

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Jay Weekley
You forgot one. "If this message is ignored and/or the service discontinued - there will be many other options and/or avenues for the conclusion of this matter, all of which "Cyber Broadband" will be involved in forever." CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: but not really an issue. but.it is. so we

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Larry Smith
Sounds like he has no idea at all that you are referring to the original wireless connection (that he stoppped paying for) and he is referring/thinking about whatever his current internet connection is. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Wed October 7 2015 12:01, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
Thanks for the input guys. I was mostly looking at what to recommend. I'd rather help on occasion, but my responsibility ends at the CAT5 coming out of the POE. I've been bouncing around the idea of a $5 a month managed RB951 2HnD or something. - Original Message - From: Justin

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
We're nice. It's one of the reasons customers like us. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issueyah, get a life dude How did someone get $210 past due? Just turn

Re: [AFMUG] today's customer issue....yah, get a life dude

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
I'm nice too, but the second my customer threatens me or anyone in my employ or otherwise acts like a prick, nice goes out the window, communications cease and they're blacklisted, like permanently. I wouldn't even reply, just turn him off and schedule picking up the equipment. Might even

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Glen Waldrop
Just to be clear, thanks for confirming what I already thought, they all suck... lol - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? Thanks for the input guys. I was mostly

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
AirRouters seem to be OK. Is that consumer enough for you? Dlink generally treats customers well, at least better than other brands (though around the country everyone has their own good/bad brands). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Darin Steffl
Hello all, We're going to power some ePMP GPS AP's with a Netonix switch. I understand I can power them with either 24V or 48V but the pinout is different than standard Ubiquiti passive POE that we're used to. Which color wires do we swap on one side of the cable termination to properly power

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Poe pinout for Netonix Switch

2015-10-07 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought Netonix could simply swap the polarity? The pinout is the same, but blue/brown is hot/neutral for Ubnt/Mikrotik brown/blue is hot/neutral for Motorola/Trango/Cambium Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
If a customer insists on a recommendation, I say every router you can buy in the store has problems, but the least problematic seems to be Netgear as long as you get at least a 3000 series. I have seen a high field failure rate on the WNR2000, and they can die a slow lingering flakey death

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

2015-10-07 Thread Sterling Jacobson
This is my biggest gripe right now. The more internet you provide to them, the worse this problem is. I think my contractors are selling mid-range $100 linksys routers. I'm not sure that's the best thing. I too need to find a handful of routers that really get the job done right. I've noticed

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