They rip the vinyls too , to 24/96 :O
Next , in the future if you want to hear a song you go to a shop and
under surveillance by 3 record company exec you can listen to a song for
a fee , you be stripped and body searched and wearing a paper overall
and using thier headphones
More quantum mechanics and quantum electrodynamics :)
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There already are ambient field conditioners on the market , some of the
more ingenious ones are passive devices , no risk of harm via
electrocution ,can be sold worldwide and no warranties as there is
nothing that can break .
So you are beaten to the punch . But me to products sells to you only
Julf wrote:
I first thought this was a April Fools joke, but seems these guys are
for real - well, for whatever real means. Audiophile Ethernet cable.
Only 4594 / £3875 / $5886 for a 8 m cable.
http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/diamond
The correct direction is determined by listening
Buts it's more expensive and comes in shiny aluminium so it must
therefore be better !
Crackpot review ,yes all the boxes ticked .
Usually digital disc transports are not very worth the money sometimes
it is usually the manufacturer taking their most expensive cd player and
rips out 2/3 of the
Box and power supply cost a lot , and components are small, and with
that margin it woul probably be possible to include the dad and have the
same price and be profitable ?
Otherwise NAD's newest dac seems popular and their top off the line
digital amp ,interesting stuff :)
thanks for the
andy_c wrote:
It's weird that Oppo decided to support DSD when they still don't do
DLNA gapless. Seems like messed up priorities to me.
That's weird., any streamer is useless without it.
For them to add dsd is not to surprising they seem to make products that
are versatile and support as
Quad wrote:
What goes around, comes around.
Don't get me wrong, this laminar thing is marketing fuzz at its worst.
But I really think you guys sometimes overdo.
Yes probably , but think of it as a long lever :) as the majority of the
audio hoby have turned into this mess...
But that
callesoroe wrote:
Totally agree with you in this. I have just purchased the new Eric
Clapton album Old Socks in 24/96 on HDTRACKS.com.
The album was available on release date in HD version FLAC. This is the
way to go...More of that please :)
exactly is there maybe 1% of the legally
Julf wrote:
Ah, a good one!
Computer operating systems are extensive and require many services,
which all compete for processing time. These processes are allocated
according to what are called priorities. It is known through the
world-wide consensus of experienced computer audio tweakers
darrenyeats wrote:
It's more than just distortion measurements. Some types of crossover are
only possible done actively e.g. time delay, all-pass phase correction
etc. Also it is about driver transient control which might not be
obvious from steady state distortion measurements. And also
On the topic about 1% distorsion has been quted for passive filters
there is the AVi forum for AVi active speakers .
Very baised about thier product
http://hddaudio.net/viewtopic.php?id=886
The loss of cone damping is one issue another less known one is because
driver impedance vary with signal
ralphpnj wrote:
I think means for you to get all anal and check the frequency response
curves, spectrum analysis, dynamic range, etc. As far as I'm concerned,
if you say it sounds good then it sounds good. Plus remember that it is
not DSD so it's not worthwhile to start with :)
Yes if it
mlsstl wrote:
jh901, I think you misunderstood my post. Your reply seems to indicate
you thought that I was suggesting one period's recoding fashion is
superior to another. That's not the case. I was only saying the decades
were different and generally recognizable. There are some excellent,
ralphpnj wrote:
Not so fast. An old analog master tape of an old fully analog recording
is just as valid a source for high resolution digital as a new high
resolution digital recording. The real issue is just how carefully the
analog master is converted to high resolution digital.
What
Archimago wrote:
I'll take option 3:
It sounds bad by design - nothing to do with pro-gear, audiophile gear,
etc... ie. tuned for radio, cheap car stereos, white iPod earbud,
mastered for iTunes.
I suspect many sound engineers must be ashamed of their work but realize
they just need the
You can't really make this up :)
http://www.lessloss.com/laminar-streamer-sd-player-p-207.html
These are the clowns behind the blackbody a product I usually link
too when we are having fun
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Sigh .
The oppo itself is good stuff .
But a pity (but expected) that stereophile is jumping on the DSD
bandwagon .
The last thing the audio world need is even more consumer formats
especially as we have several that are perfectly fine and transparent to
human listeners (pcm equal or greater
ralphpnj wrote:
Funny thing is one of your fellow Swedes linked to the laminar streamer
on the Stereophile forum back in December
(http://forum.stereophile.com/content/i-cant-wait) and of course I
responded by calling the product pure BS and of course I was dismissed
with some typical
ralphpnj wrote:
Doesn't have to be a single manufacturer, it could just as well be a
partnership between a speaker manufacturer and a power amp manufacturer.
Of course Pioneer and Sony could do it in house with their high end
lines of speakers and electronics. One could even make the
garym wrote:
Impressive. But a better test would be to install the Foobar2000 ABX
component and do a regular ABX test. Try it on the same 5 tracks. (In
your test, the volume difference (even slight) could explain the ability
to pick. The ABX component will control for these things.
+1
Daverz wrote:
I actually still have a speaker system with an external active DSP
crossover: the NHT Xd. Unfortunately, NHT was having financial problems
and gave up on it pretty quickly. It did have some problems: the
amp/DSP chassis put out a mechanical hum; it didn't have satisfying bass
ralphpnj wrote:
Excellent post - very informative. So would where in the chain would the
DSP unit go when using digital active speakers, i.e. speakers with built
in DACs?
Something like: source - DSP - individual DAC/AMP speaker driver.
Or would each speaker driver get it's own
Nicely done :) I must be a total nerd I loved to see the dither and
shaped dither part and actually see that dither indeed increases
resolution too apart from its other good effects .
I once had an audio demo of dither lying around , it was piano playing
reduced in steps from 16 to 8 bits with
Archimago wrote:
If you want to see reviews of CD players which measure badly for jitter,
just look at Stereophile's reviews of the AudioNote CD-4.1x or the
Zanden 5000MKIV. These have jitter sidebands at ~-95dB or so with
clearly 1ns measurements yet the subjective guys seem to give a
darrenyeats wrote:
But music (and hi-fi) should bring us pleasure, otherwise why bother?
I am being devil's advocate!
Darren
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD
+1 keep it up .
I'm listening to a very wide range of genres i actually find it also
impossible to make a sound good
darrenyeats wrote:
I would agree with that summary. But that means that much of a person's
favourite music could sound better and more real with tubes, right? It's
a valid choice I think.
The problem comes when people choose that route whilst thinking it's
objectively better. It leads to
But then whats the point :) If a tube design does not sound tubes
then you could cut the cost 1/20 and use some op amps and transistors.
Thats the catch if you dont want the colouring then use modern
components it's cheaper and more reliable and actually produces even
better results .
That we
That is amazing6 months building them and the guy is super handy can do
very tricky carpenting and fiber glass and carbon fiber work :D
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I auditioned the Linkwitz Orion several years ago, one of my favourite
speakers so far, and I would love to hear the latest LX521. Both are
active open-baffle designs.
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/
Darren
I would love to hear the orions ,one of the few high end
Julf wrote:
I don't really care if a piece of electronics was designed by Albert
Einstein, Harry Nyquist, Bono or Pope Francis. Design decisions are (or
should be) rational decisions, and can be justified based on rational
reasons (be they technical, financial or whatever), and can be
Julf wrote:
I like watching their glow :)
ralphpnj wrote:
Don't forget space heating. High power pure class A amps are also useful
as space heaters but unfortunately the solid state ones do not glow.
Yeah yeah glow in the dark is always a winner :)
But true fidelity to the source is the
agillis wrote:
I like to age my kernel in a french oak cask for about 2 months. It not
only sounds better but tastes better as well! You get those great earthy
notes!
bluegaspode wrote:
Where can I buy such an aged vortexbox?
I'm sure Agalis can pre age the ISO's for us at an aditional
Hush ! We already have at least two insane treads going on in the
audiophile forum already ;)
There are one or two crackpots on this forum that believes different OS
sounds different as -squeezeboxserver- .
Mnyb's
You must also hand type the source code into the compiler .
All in the spirit of TAS revolutionary discovery that digtial
information can not be copied without degrading , so by no mean use any
copy of the source code !
cdmackay wrote:
thanks!
So we're faced with either a lot of trouble trying to find the right PS3
(if possible), or risking the dubious hdtracks website, which won't work
in the UK for many (including me) without VPN games, and in any cases
lots of people question the provenance of their
Archimago wrote:
Here's something a little different... Custom SACD-R and DVD-A disks
used to measure my old Pioneer DV-588A DVD/DVD-A/SACD universal
player.
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/03/measurements-pioneer-dv-588a-dvd-and.html
I don't think the conclusions are all that
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Oh my goodness ...there is only a very slight difference between the 1
one and the 60th generation. 60th generation either has 60 times the
jitter (or is it 120 or 120-1 ?) and still the difference is only very
little. This is the best way to test for jitter. Every
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Gentlemen, jitter has been the #1 design consideration in audio for
long. Audio manufacturers like Meridian engineered buffered systems with
accurate clocks and charged a premium for their products. Only that, now
all this circuitry has been miniaturized and available
Re measurments .
I have to crosspost a link Octavist posted in another tread :)
a test designed to cure Gear Hypochondria
http://www.zmix.net/Converter_Test/index.htm
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ralphpnj wrote:
None since they are all way over priced when it comes to 24 bit (with
any sampling rate) files. The sites I use are in the grey area and I
will continue to be in the grey until the price gouging stops. $20 for a
40+ year old Rolling Stones recording, $18 for 53 year old, 29
If you want to use HD tracks simply using paypal is a workaround the
horrible part is thier download manager so you need to boot a windows
computer (real or virtual) somehow to use it.
OOT Is there a hate site for java based download managers where i can
offload :) what ever is wrong with simply
ralphpnj wrote:
Darren, does mean that I should change my previous post to read:
And speaking of comparisons, until someone conducts a valid double blind
test which proves otherwise, I will continue believe, based solely on
the very clear scientific facts, that the very lowly, as in $300
ralphpnj wrote:
Would you please be so kind as to provide a few examples of audio
reviewers are using the Touch as a transport with very good DACs since I
do not remember seeing this in any publication, print or on line.
Thanks!
I also be surprised if they admitted this in a very visible
Archimago wrote:
I thought about that possibility as well when testing the ASUS Essence
One. Certainly it could be intentional that they selected a filter that
low-passed at 15kHz to remove the high-end harshness to perhaps sound
a little NOS-like... Obviously IMO, they went WY
Daverz wrote:
I don't feel I need to have heard any Magico speakers to be skeptical of
their value given the many fine 2-way designs that are much cheaper and
the many fine full-range speakers that are also much cheaper.
That's my piont , you can only milk the passive two way concept to some
I sometimes find ralphpnj outlook to positive I whish it where *only*
money but cults and belief system propagate and thrive without money too
:/ but money sure is fuel on the flames .
Its is also true that to, lie convincingly you must believe it yourself
and I do think part of even the
I would call BS on fancy equipment stands too , except for turntables ,
if your modern solid state equipment exhibits microphony at audible
level sorry it's crap you got bigger problems than a equipment stand.
I agree re cables except for that in some cases the freebies can be good
enough , but
Archimago wrote:
Sure, but that's the point of the little demo. These days with a very
modest budget ($200 AUNE X1 DAC), jitter from the computer software/load
side doesn't really matter! The hardware interface is what matters
(which would include the Wolfson WM8805 SPDIF receiver in the
Archimago wrote:
Nice concept. Of course if we wanted to make it entertaining reality
TV, we better have a hot hostess (given the primarily male demographic)
doing the interviews, switching slinging cables (AudioQuest, Monster,
Crystal - you guys interested?), turning knobs (McIntosh -
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
@Mynb - agree on the bad side-effects of over-driving single driver. But
you know there are people who prefer a single-driver speaker, actually.
Mine is a two-way, but it is a half-tower. I dont like stand-mounts. I
dont want to spend too much money on stands.
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
@mynb - agreed. 'audiophile exotica' nice term :-)
My piont is that some brands are just made to be expensive for the sake
of it. You are not getting that much extra performance.
For that money + some more I would look at a Meridian speaker for
example .
Or if you want
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
A
@Archimago - one more thing you might be interested is - upsampling
using sox. This is surely something I can tell a difference, even in a
DBT, I think. I used the options from Klaus/Soundcheck (TT author). He
does not like it. He thinks the sound will turn
The 2 way principle has limitations the displacemt of a 6,5 driver is
what it is .
You will have a lot of cone movement and therefore intermodulation . And
only 2 drivers to share the audio band .
It may have some output at 30hz but not at any significant level and
certainly not at performance
Jeff52 wrote:
Gee Ralph with that kind of a test, how could you form any conclusion?
I thought you were the resident keeper of the Holy Grail of objectivity,
but maybe you have changed. :)
He he there is a milewide difference informally trying stuff vs telling
the whole world that you know
probedb wrote:
How do I listen using my eyes? I've not worked this out yet.
Listen to or trough your hifi ( to the music ) ;)
This tells you that the oppo is pretty much transparent to the source
material
. Hence f gonna pay more than this for a player it has to do better.
If your listening
Kaizen28 wrote:
Hi All,
I have an SB3 where the output volume levels via the RCA connectors have
definitely decreased over time. I have no idea as to why this is (I have
tried a hardware / DSP reset but with no success) and my concern is that
my beloved SB3 is dying.
I have tried to
Cool :)
My 0.02 .
The improved room response would swamp any deficiency by jitter by
several magnitudes .
Aes ebu is not inherently better than any other format it's main purpose
is to actually re use XLR cables in professional studios so the
mythology that aes ebu is superior to spdiff is a
ralphpnj wrote:
Not to quibble when you're bashing audiophile 'golden ears' but isn't
the jitter in the above graph still well below the audible range? Which
kind of means that jitter is really only a selective bogeyman brought
out or ignored depending on what piece of gear is being sold.
Archimago wrote:
the intangible something that they identify as special about the
system.
Philosophically some audiophiles have finally come to terms with this
and do extensive ripping of cherished vinyl .you can have your cake
and eat it too as many times as you like , realising that this
Hi there , Dan Lavrys white paper on the issue .
http://www.lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-white-paper-the_optimal_sample_rate_for_quality_audio.pdf
And on sampling
http://lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-sampling-theory.pdf
Even in an ideal world you just get 3dB more noise each time the
Julf wrote:
Worse. I remember all too well the failed 'Sony ELcaset'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elcaset)...
OT omg :) Sony does these things betamax ,video 8 and numerous pro video
formats ( u-matic , digit-beta ) and minidisc , they have an urge to
launch proprietary formats , how funny ,
Archimago wrote:
Thanks for the comments SoftwireEng.
Good comments about the vinyl. Although I personally have not bought any
vinyl since about 1987, I can certainly appreciate how good it sounds
when I'm visiting a high-end vinyl room. To be honest, I don't know if
I've ever been able
Archimago wrote:
Apart from the fact that 24/192+ strains system components
(unnecessarily) and could worsen metrics like noise floor and dynamic
range (demonstrated in my ASUS Essence One measurements), this issue
with nonlinearity causing intermodulation distortion IMO is a BIG
negative
Archimago wrote:
Excellent point. Maybe in yesteryear (back in the 80's perhaps), there
was much to criticize in terms of jitter, digital cable quality,
ultimate sound quality. But I think since the 2000's at least, digital
done right is more of a rule now on the hardware side than an
Wonderful measurements .
There is a tool called audio diffmaker , that you probably can use with
the EMU .
It would make it possible to use music , you could for example record a
complete song with one setup then do it again with another setup and
cancel them out and se what's left , you even
Archimago wrote:
Exactly. It was frankly a bit odd but that's what the data seemed to
point to...
Not true transparency as I would understand the word. Rather an
unexpected bias towards MP3. It's quite amazing reading in the comments
how sure some respondents were that they were right,
Wombat wrote:
Hmm... seems like no one is reading my posts. Nonetheless if still
someone is interestet. Now i link to another side i thought i´ll never
do but this one is interesting.
Airport Express has native 16/44.1 digital out:
Quote Originally Posted by azinck3
3) Your main question which set sounded inferior had 3 answers: A, B,
or no audible difference. This, paired with the question about
confidence does a decent job of answering the question which sounds
better but I wonder if it does a good enough job of
darrenyeats wrote:
As individuals yes. But as a group, if a statistically significant
number of people chose one as better that's interesting.
As I understand it, you're suggesting the survey is invalid because of
the coding? If so, I would like more detail.
Darren
No i dont think it
garym wrote:
I can't put my hands on the research right now, but I recall seeing
papers that suggest in testing using multiple choice questions, there
are group biases exhibited in choosing certain answer options (A, B, C,
D, etc.). He couldn't easily do this in this study, but had he been
Julf wrote:
Right. Measureable electrical differences are one thing, and I would not
have anything against cable suppliers if they explained the properties
of their cables in those terms. Unfortunately they tend to resort to
snake oil pseudo-science gobbledegook such as electric field
ralphpnj wrote:
I have a WDTV Live streaming device that I use to watch movies and
stream video and movies from Netflix. This device will also play flac
files BUT I still have Touch connected to my home theater because the
Touch/Squeezebox Server+Plug-ins (haven't made the jump to LMS as
chill wrote:
Yes, it seems obvious now in light of your explanation, and indeed I
poked around on the miniDSP site and found a confirmation in a forum
thread that the volume control is done in the digital domain. This
means of course that the potentiometer doesn't have to be 'audiophile'
Jeff52 wrote:
Check out the CD layers of the remastered Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan
hybrid SACDs, in particular, Let It Bleed by the Stones. The CD layers
benefit from the DSD remastering of the SACD layer and really sound
good.
I quite agree about Kind Of Blue. Some other good
Is it no so that airport/iTunes resample,everything to 16/48
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ralphpnj wrote:
And don't forget to use the new Audiophile Air Purifier and Ion
Alignment Filtering System in your room whenever you are using WiFi
since without properly filtering and treating the air the WiFi signal
will be adversely affected. Using the Audiophile Air Purifier and Ion
chill wrote:
Boudy
Thank you - there's a lot to look at on that site. I suspect that one
of their 2-in/4-out balanced kits is what I need, and then a couple more
mono amplifier modules from Hypex (powered by my currently
over-specified power supplies). That would give me a 4-channel
ralphpnj wrote:
Anyway are you interesting in acquiring one of the first Audiophile Air
Purifier and Ion Alignment Filtering Systems or are you just wasting my
time? :)
ion alignment can I polarise all air molecules so that the radio waves
travels faster then ( how should I align the
Archimago wrote:
You guys are hilarious :-).
Well, it's cloudy and 6C today in Vancouver, humidity 80%, so probably a
terrible time to do any real audiophile listening! Guess I'll have to
wait a month or two before humidity gets to 60% so I can seriously
listen (or import that crisp
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
I have heard 16bit/44.1Khz that is as good as any other high-resolution.
I think it all depends on the mic'ing techniques and the equipment used
to record. To actually, compare low vs hi-res it is always good to
downsample the high-res to low-res and then compare
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
DO you think they purposely mess up the CD layer ? I found the SACD/CD
player sound almost the same in my Alison Kraus's New Favorite. But then
again, I am listening to 24bit/88.2kHz output of my Oppo when playing
SACDs. For some reason, I am not sure about SACD
ralphpnj wrote:
For anything recorded since the beginning of the stereo era (about the
mid 1950s) it's not the age of the recording but rather the quality of
the recording that matters. There are plenty of recordings from the
1950s and 1960s which sound as good as anything recorded today.
Archimago wrote:
Okay, got home and did some testing with the Touch and 24/96 with
without LMS in my basement PC doing server-side decompression of FLAC
(labelled as PCM FLAC in my chart below), streaming uncompressed
PCM/WAV over to the Touch. WiFi is 802.11g (2.4GHz) WPA password
Archimago wrote:
Doesn't this depend on what you mean by audiophile?
An audiophile is a lover of high quality audio reproduction which in
fact is the first line of the Wikipedia entry; nothing more. Our world
views however then dictates the relative merits of the hardware,
software,
ralphpnj wrote:
The really sad part is that it was and still is so easy for you save
yourself. All you need to do is exactly what the professionals over at
the audio magazine do which is to present the measurements (just as you
have done) but then declare that in spite of the measurements
darrenyeats wrote:
They say reality is stranger than fiction--I remember reading somewhere
there is an analogue filter after the DSD DAC stage in an SACD player.
Hence the ISO rip might sound different! Whether this is just urban
myth, I am not sure.
Darren
I think it is like that to ,
ralphpnj wrote:
Both programs that I know of which convert DSD to PCM have several
different filters available so there would not be a problem just a
different filter from that used by a given SACD player. For example here
is the filtering information for the Korg AudioGate program, copied
Wombat wrote:
Such slow filters like -3db@50kHz will produce lots of aliasing that is
outside the audible band but is of no benefit either. Daniel Weiss
himself crpiticizes such filtering. That's why Saracon uses very early
filters when going to PCM with DSD. A 24/88.2 Saracon convert will
ralphpnj wrote:
As promised a quick follow up on a few of the other reviews in the
latest issue of The Absolute Sound.
The review of Wadia 121 Digital Decoding Computer (aka DAC) is very
nicely done with a minimum amount of audiophile BS and lots of very
useful information. The reviewer
Truly excellent work !
The USB E1-16/44 shows im distortion at 0.121% you got a similar result
earlier In the analog measurements , is this an anomaly ? Im distortion
is not nice .
I think it it is natural if the bandwith gets wider the noise levels
goes up try 24/48 for kicks .
The limit could
Wombat wrote:
Hi boys and sorry to disturb your discussion with OT stuff but now that
i read that one i start to imagine what is next and i hope i am wrong.
This attempt sounds really like they now start to add harmonics to
impress even the last non-believer.
Just lately i stumbled about
Archimago wrote:
Haven't tried any of the software tweaks yet on the Touch... Any
suggestions of maybe the most extreme tweak(s) I should try to see if I
can measure a difference?
I have not realy used any of them seriously I only use the digital out
in my serious system and on the kitchen
dyohn wrote:
Now you understand why objectivists are constantly calling for
measurements and blind A/B tests before some tweak or mod is declared
better. The mind is the most powerful component in the audio signal
chain. :)
Yep but it not always easy do at at home .
But the ideal
Due to the better damping you also get better impulse response .
You can easilly adjust for sensitivity differences making it easy to
match drivers and save even more power . It's not uncommon that the
tweeter is higher sensitivity a passive filter design must then use
resistors in series and
Is the headphone amp USB bus powered ?
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mlsstl wrote:
I would agree wholeheartedly with the admonition to buy what you like,
regardless of whether it is a strictly for technical performance or an
issue of subjective perception.
However, that some people make is to attribute their subjective
opinions to some technical
Archimago wrote:
No, the AUNE has its own wallwart. I used the RCA out on the back for
the measurements. I bet you something like the Audioquest Dragonfly
would measure even worse with the USB noise, asynchronous or not I
suspect is irrelevant. Dont know if reviewers have commented.
BTW
There are two use cases .
As digital transport or listening via analogue out .
There is some merit to that something could happen on the analog outs
not so likely that a connected dac exhibits differences when using it as
transport .
Extremely cool :) seems like good software ,but you must have a good
soundcard for yourpc before it gets usefull ?
Did you try any of the software tweaks on your Touch it would be
interesting to know if the output is changing at all .
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