Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[Cheri Mello]

Sorry, I meant his age. He's 70 years (more or less).
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:44 PM Azores Genealogy group <
tony_amar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Cheri - Thanks for the added clarification on the year.
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 8:55:59 AM UTC+11, Azores Genealogy group
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a death entry document that I need assistance with but the
>> document is not from the CCA website so I do not have a URL to post.  I
>> only have the document as a jpeg file so not sure if it can be opened or
>> read here, nonetheless its attached so we'll see how it goes.
>>
>> I have had a go at translating the document and below is what I think in
>> part it says.
>>
>> *"On the fifteenth day of the month of January of the year one thousand
>> seven hundred and forty two _ of life _ with  ___ _ Manoel
>> de Mattos Pereira married with Maria Sylveira native and parishioner of
>> Parish Church of Santa Barbara in the town of  Manadas at the age of
>> seventy years _  ___ __ ___  ___ ___ __ ___
>> testament  __ Francisco de Mattoa _ __ ___ _ ___ _ __ 
>> __  __ Picote __ _  ___ Francisco accompanied by his
>>  grave ___ ___ of this Church with _ __ __ ___ ___ his
>> __ __ _ fifty _ __ __  ___ _ ten decades? and _
>> _ __ five  _ and one annual __ rosary? and one offering?
>>  _ _  __ ___  ___ __ __ _ _ ___ __
>>  __ _ _ ___ _ ___ ___ _ ___ ___ made this
>> termo que _  _ date as above Vicar Francisco Pereira de
>> Mattos?"*
>>
>>
>> If you cannot open the jpeg file, I'm happy for you to send me an e-mail
>> request at tony_amar...@hotmail.com.
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Tony Amarant
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[Cheri Mello]

Setenta years. 70. I compared to the "t" in the year of 1742.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:15 PM Tony Amarant 
wrote:

> G'day Linda.
>
> You are a flam'n legend. Thanks so much for taking the time out to assist
> me.
>
> Kindest regards, Tony
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> linda 
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 January 2020 10:28 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death
> Manoel de Mattos Pereira
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> This is what I can make out:
>
> transcription:
>
>  Em os quinze dias do mez de Jan.ro do anno
> de mil sete centos quarenta e dous [???ou?] da vida
> presente com todos os Sacramentos Manoel de Mattos
> Per.a casado com Maria Sylv.ra natural e freguez des
> ta ig.ra Parochial de S. Barbara Lugar das Manadas
> tendo de id.e setenta (sesenta??) annos pouco mais ou menos
> fez testamento em que deixou por testament.?o a seu
> f.o Fran.co deMattos, e di??os que seria seu corpo em
> volto em hum habito de piCote do ? S. Fran.co
> acompanhado de sua casa a sepultura dos Parochos
> desta ig.ra com todas as  que por sua alma
> se diziam sincoenta miSsaS  resadas de cujo n.o [?deriao
> dez de tencao e?] aSsim mais as sinco das [chagas?]
> a hum annal de responsos e hum officio presente
> o Corpo e nao di??os mais [
> na forma que d
> ig.ra das -- fiz este
> termo que asina mez e?? era ut supro
>
> translation:
>
> On the 15th day of the month of January of the year
> of 1742 [departed] from present life
> having had all the Sacraments Manuel de Mattos
> Pereira married to Maria Sylveira native and resident of
> this parochial church of Santa Barbara locality of Manadas
> having the age of seventy [possibly sixty??] years more or less
> [he] made a will in which he left as [his beneficiary?] his
> son Francisco de Mattos, and [he said/directed??] for his body to be
> wrapped in a picote [a type of fabric] habit  [of the order??] of S.
> Francisco
> [and] accompanied from his house to the grave of the parishioners
> of this church with all the ? that for his soul
> ... fifty masses... prayers..
> .
> .
> 
> 
> 
> church of  I made this
> document which I signed [and dated?] era ut supro
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks for the update. That was my first impression as well - It's not
intended for genealogists, it's to generate revenue.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:17 PM João Ventura  wrote:

> There aren't much more news, but it seems it will happen in Terceira
> between 16 and 19th of April.
>
>
> http://www.azores.gov.pt/GaCS/Noticias/2019/Dezembro/Comunidades+cultura+e+turismo+em+destaque+no+Encontro+de+Genealogia+A%C3%A7oriana+em+abril+na+Terceira
>
> I have no further information than this. I'm not sure the Azorean
> government actually wants genealogists there. It seems aimed at how they
> can leverage it as a source of tourism / income.
>
> João Ventura
>
> On Friday, 11 October 2019 16:27:50 UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy
>> conference in 2020.
>>
>>
>> http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc
>>
>> Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)
>>
>> João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Cheri Mello]

I looked up a calendar for 1849 and yes, Lent would have been from 22
February and 8 April (Easter Sunday). You couldn't marry during Lent.
However, it didn't matter where you married, as the marriage banns had to
be posted at both the bride and groom's home churches. Maybe they moved
around trying to conceive her pregnancy (that's a bit expensive), but a
possibility.
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:00 PM linda  wrote:

>
> Probably this is the source for that info in the database about the
> Gazelle, 1870:
>
>
> https://www.worldcat.org/title/logbook-of-the-ship-gazelle-1870-oct-26-1872-nov-28/oclc/71254679=brief_results
>
> I can't see where the logbook itself is held, but it must still exist.
>
> It seems that the whaling museum has a logbook database in an excel file
> (hope this link will work):
>
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=16=2ahUKEwik0OSjx6TnAhWhna0KHcvrA3AQFjAPegQIAxAB=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whalingmuseum.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDocuments%2FLogbook%2520Database%2520Master_web.xls=AOvVaw3aUTqkSiGAaEq18He9SVHv
>
> It comes up near the top of a google search on the terms
>
> ship seconet logbook 1855
>
> I have to run, but hope this provides a lead.
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:33:02 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Sorry but in my memory I co-mingled some whaling crew entries.  There are
>> many Francis Joseph, Francisco Jose, or other iterations in the whaling
>> crew database.  Many can be eliminated by age or residence.  I also
>> eliminated any entry before 1855 since he was listed as a carpenter and not
>> a mariner his son's baptisms that year.  That left several that didn't have
>> enough data to be eliminated, but two that had additional data consistent
>> with being my Francisco Jose.  It was these two I co-mingled.  First was
>> 1855 on the Ship Seconet who was listed as a COOPER but it did not give his
>> age or residence.  A cooper would be consistent with Francisco Jose being a
>> carpenter and with Francis Joseph in New Zealand being a cooper.  The
>> second was a Francis Joseph on the Bark Gazelle in 1870 which gives his age
>> as 43 and his residence as Sao Jorge, Azores.  Either or both of these
>> could fit (or not) my wife's ancestor.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful.  Sorry
>>> for the delay in responding.  You are correct that I search for an Azorean
>>> obit for him.  I looked through 1911 in Urzelina where he last lived and in
>>> Praia, Graciosa where he was born.  The DNA evidence coupled with the name
>>> and occupation circumstance seems very compelling.  Another coincidence is
>>> that the New Bedford Whaling Museum database show that the was a crew
>>> member on a Whaler in 1867 named Francisco Jose Cordeiro from Sao Jorge,
>>> Azores, whose job was "cooper".
>>>
>>> Attached are timelines of what I have for him in the Azores and what
>>> Tony (my New Zealand contact) provided from his records.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Cheri Mello]

The 2nd marriage on the page #1047, is what I am looking at, right?

The groom is the son of Antonio Josephs and Mary Antonio. So over there it
would be Antonio Jose and Maria Antonio. More likely she is Maria ___.
It's 1868 and in that time period, women did not have surnames, so the
groom may be taking his best guess as to what her "maiden name" may be.
I've seen Antonio as a surname here or there.

Joaquim as a surname does happen, but it's kinda like seeing the surname
Antonio. Both are given names and for some reason, the family tacked on
that given name as a surname to differentiate themselves.
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:15 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
>
> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in
> 1868.
>
> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same general
> area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and that was
> the name shown on the passenger list.
>
> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it
> strange that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian
> name?
>
> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt to
> anglicize his surname?
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Cheri Mello]

It's ALL libraries on ALL the islands and includes more than just the 3
archive libraries.

For whatever, you can't click on the link. You have to copy and paste it.

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:45 PM Shirl Sereque 
wrote:

> I wasn't able to open the link.  Just got some Amazon stuff.  Since my
> ancestors were from Terceira, I'm interested in looking at it...unless it's
> just Catholic items.   :-(
> - Shirl -
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2020, 12:49:01 PM PST, Rosemarie Capodicci <
> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I haven't done anything either. Just thought I would put it out there for
> all to peruse!
> Let me know what you find. Won't have time as I'm getting stuff ready for
> the DAR Ancestor Round-up tomorrow.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I
> haven't searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
> Cheri Mello
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>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here:
> https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#
> Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice!
>
> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My book

[Cheri Mello]

Brian M,
Are you printing it or sharing it?

Printing: 40 pages - Try your local Staples, Office Depot, or the like.

Sharing it via the cloud - try Google Drive, Dropbox, One Cloud, Blaze or
the like.
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:53 PM Brian Margarit <
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> By resource sharing, I mean a database or drive for the group etc to
> upload data
>
> On Friday, 24 January 2020 14:09:20 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
>> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
>> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
>> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
>> photos of the source material.
>>
>> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>>
>> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
>> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[Cheri Mello]

Some people use Ancestry, some use My Heritage. There's Geni and WikiTree
too. Some people make their own web page where they can have complete
control over their tree.
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> Hi Guys,
>
> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
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> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
> photos of the source material.
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Cheri Mello]

It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I haven't
searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here:
> https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#
> Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Autosomal DNA (AncestryDNA, My Heritage, and 23 and Me) transfer to FTDNA
for free and the matching is free. The tools are $19 USD.

Y-DNA does not transfer. FTDNA is the only company that now offers Y-DNA
testing. If someone tested their Y at another company a long time ago, yes,
there is a conversion cost and enough markers have to be purchase to bring
it up to the current standard.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
> whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
> Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
> the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
> believe.
>
> I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered
> that Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records
> [his father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.
>
> I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated
> to the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
> most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
> grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.
>
> I hope you’re feeling better.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)
>
> Researching:
>
> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
> Hawaii
>
>
> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
> San Jose in California
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
>> I would if I could read it better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
>>>> the site you referenced, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records
>>>>> you've done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
>>>>> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
>>>>> guarantee they'll f

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic.
It's high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were
Catholic. Maybe someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records.
Birth records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic
Church baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at
home and within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always
exceptions), the baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized.
Since your ancestors had already left the Azores, they would have to
baptize their baby when they arrived in Australia. You need to check the
Australian Catholic Church records near the port where your ancestors
arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many
countries have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were
talking Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local
Family History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a
Family History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints (Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History
Center is. No, you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the
public like any other library, however many have limited hours since they
are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
> and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
> hmmm, ok.
> just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own
> "characteristics" or "traits"?
> also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
> were there may farming families back then?
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
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> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Labo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[Cheri Mello]

HI Rob,

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada,
going one by one.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta
> Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
> He was also married in the same village in 1837.
>
> Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> Thankyou Cheri.
>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>
>> ------
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>
>> Anthony S,
>>
>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>
>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>
>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>> the 1900s.
>>
>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>> the puzzle.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Cheri Mello]

Bill S,

Can you also attach a family group sheet for this family? It would make it
a bit easier to follow. Thanks! Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:45 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and
> offer me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather
> left the Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.
>
> He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is
> the father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not
> say he was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.
> If my theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also
> mentioned as the paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children
> of his son João.  His first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in
> Sacramento, CA under the name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an
> infant.
>
> He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that
> she is still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is
> leaving two sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for
> their children.
>
> Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image
> attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the
> one doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were
> present?  If the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was
> already married to someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New
> Zealand, Francis Joseph (who I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported
> that he was married before but was widowed.
>
> My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New
> Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's
> father on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of
> Francis Joseph in New Zealand.
>
> I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José
> Cordeiro to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list
> for any that would be willing to help me sort this out.
>
>
> His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting
> just below top right).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>
>
> His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts
> bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>
>
> First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom
> right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>
>
> Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>
>
> Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>
>
> Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html
>
>
> Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there.
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia,
but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want
the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they
couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record
for me. You need a location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
the puzzle.

Good luck,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't know we had a "National Juke Box." That's cool!
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box)
> has a number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great
> uncle has several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be
> listened to, he (Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.
> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Steve Peters
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:15 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings
>
> Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney
> Cowell. She was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell.
>
> https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony S,

The Azores are divided into 3 districts. So which island again? And you are
searching before 1911 (before 1905 on most of Sao Miguel), correct?
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:25 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> that's what the ossuary look like.
> hmmm, I think I have seen something like that here in Australia.
> so, regarding the archive, where would I go for those?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:41 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
>> Susan
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
>> exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>>
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>>
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
>>> custom?
>>>
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
>>> ossuary.
>>>
>>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the
>>> list to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass
>>> grave of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the
>>> same cemetery. There was a fee.
>>>
>>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
>>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Anthony said:
>>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>>>
>>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>>>> tab):
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>>>
>>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in
>>>> that case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen
>>>> one in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the
>>>> archives. I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no
>>>> longer in marked graves.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:

> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you Monica for the image.
>
> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>
> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
> custom?
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
>
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
> ossuary.
>
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list
> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave
> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same
> cemetery. There was a fee.
>
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>
> Thanks
> Monica
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>> tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
>> graves.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto name.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Rob W,

I'd say the name would be medium in how common it is. It may be more common
in some areas than others though.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Dear Cheri
>
> Thankyou very much for your assistance thus far and I really appreciate it.
>
> I would be interested to know whether Do Couto is a common name in
> Portugal?
>
> I am interested in doing a little more research, but if the name is fairly
> common it will be "Needle in the haystack" stuff.
>
> I have been very lucky so far but maybe I have come to to the end of it
> ,but you never know?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Mary,

The names in Portuguese are Anna Lourenço and Jose Simões or possibly Simas.

You can try running Jose Simões and then Jose Simas through the CITCEM-GHP
site married to an Anna Anybody. However, it only has 13 of the 16 parishes
of Pico: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html

You also need to get their deaths, all censuses, obits, anything you can
find in the U.S. For a list of suggestions, try this:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little
> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant
> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel kind
> of lost.
>
> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph
> in Azores I'm stuck.
>
> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph Simmons
> born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George
> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>
> Thank you in advance
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com

Anthony said:
<< is the Ossuary a building ?>>

It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary

The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
graves.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the
Azores DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the
> price about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth
> another inquiry.
>
> Thank you,
> Sherry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
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> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa
de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his
genealogy program because he wrote this:
[image: image.png]

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

It's a place to put the bones.

Merriam-Webster says: a depository for the bones of the dead
Dictionary.com says: a place or receptacle for the bones of the dead

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:02 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
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> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

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Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello
Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the
previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa
was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted
that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the
> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio
> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905
> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco
> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

This list is for researching the 9 Azores islands. However, we have a few
people who have researched the mainland who might be able to help you. The
research strategy is the same. You need the village over there. Here's a
how-to on getting started, written from an Azorean slant. Just change
everything to Portugal in you mind:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:06 AM Elaine Silvia  wrote:

> Joao Jacob is my father. He was born in Lisbon. I have his his birth and
> death dates. He did immigrate to the U.S. and died here. His father was
> Joao Jacob and his mother was Geraldine Alves. He supposedly came from a
> large family. Any help or advice is welcome.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks JR, but I'm not related to Claudina. Shirley might want them though.
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM JR  wrote:

> I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to
> send them?
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I don't even have Claudina's date of birth. I have her dad b. 28 Jan 1832
(bapt 5 Feb) in RQ. I have her mom born as c. 1817. Maybe that
approximation came from the marriage?

I have only 2 siblings for Claudina.
1) Maria (marries as Maria de Jesus Silva) b. 26 Dec 1855 RQ and bapt on
the 30th. She married 7 Feb 1877 in RQ to Joao de Sousa. They had a Maria
b. 25 May 1879 in RQ and baptized 2 June.
2) Pulqueira (spelled as Pulcheria), b. 5 May 1871 RQ and bapt. on the 9th.

That's all that I have on the siblings. I'm not related on this line. I
think the work was Shirley Allegre's.
Hope this helps, Cheri
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine M,
>
> The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
> has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
> It's in the back of the directory.
>
> I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
> think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
> connect to you way back).
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine M,

The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
It's in the back of the directory.

I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
connect to you way back).
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sherry S,

The email you post under here is not the same email that you have
registered to your mother's kit.

Also, I do not see a difference in the kit numbers between your mother and
aunt. The kit numbers are identical.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:36 AM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mother is there.
> Beth B215273 B. Coones
> We are in all databases. I thought I was part of the project and that’s
> why I have the emails. It lists her in Azores Island and Iberian Peninsula
> projects. I will research and see  if I missed something.
> Thanks for your assistance!
> Her maternal Aunt is Betty Bolin B215273 and I use this to try to filter
> for paternal only.
>
> In My Heritage she is listed as Mary Beth Coones (Born Phelan)
>
> Beth Coones on 23 and me
>
> Ancestry-Mary Beth  Phelan Coones or Mbcoones ancestry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Sherry,
>
> If you tested with FTDNA, you need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can
> look. If you have not tested at FTDNA, you need to download your raw data
> and upload it to FTDNA as well as My Heritage. You need to fish in as many
> ponds as you can with your (or your mom's) DNA.
>
> Once I see your matches, I can tell you if you are matching Vila Franca
> researchers.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>>
>>
>>
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato,
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are
>> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other
>> family for testing at this time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Sherry
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sherry,

If you tested with FTDNA, you need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can
look. If you have not tested at FTDNA, you need to download your raw data
and upload it to FTDNA as well as My Heritage. You need to fish in as many
ponds as you can with your (or your mom's) DNA.

Once I see your matches, I can tell you if you are matching Vila Franca
researchers.
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>
>
> Hi Azores researchers,
>
>
>
> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao
> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to
> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to
> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about
> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and
> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after
> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria
> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta
> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato,
> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have
> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao
> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>
>
>
> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are
> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other
> family for testing at this time.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sherry
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

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Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com


Hi Azores researchers,



My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao
Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to
John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to
Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about
1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and
is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after
getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria
Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta
Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato,
Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have
been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao
Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.



Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are fourth
cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other family
for testing at this time.

Thank you,

Sherry

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I did find one record but JR posted it this morning and he had 2 more kids.

The first Manuel died before the 2nd was born.  Yes, a family can have 2
(or more) Marias all alive. Typically, the oldest went by Maria and the
other(s) went by their middle (usually religious) name.

The children who did not come over on the 1902 emigration must have died
before that emigration registration date.

You'll have to check for Antonio and Claudina under Silva, as you mentioned.

Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two
> Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.
> Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the
> emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the
> second Manoel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It
> may be that Francisco died on the trip over.  I don't see an obituary for
> him in Ribeira Quente, but if they were waiting to get on a boat, it could
> have been anywhere if it had indeed happened.
>
> This is great information!
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I
gave you is 1902.
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> thanks, Cheri -
>
> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as
> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information
> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I
> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with
> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine,

I have your grandfather as one of 8 (that I know about).
[image: image.png]

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:27 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html
>
> Middle of the page, passport # 534
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html

Middle of the page, passport # 534
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>
> I'll see if I have him in my program.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was
>> previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that
>> I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May
>> 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date
>> in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives
>> match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If
>> anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas

[Cheri Mello]

Dalva,

I think there were 2 authors and I'm not sure if the 4 volume set was ever 
made digitally. The 4 volumes are near $300 USD. The best I could find is 
here, but it doesn't look available for purchase: 
https://www.wook.pt/livro/genealogias-das-quatro-ilhas-antonio-ornelas-mendes/2108361

You can try WorldCat.org and maybe you can find a copy that way.

Good luck, Cheri Mello

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 10:57:01 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Dalva Salles Costa, dalvasallescosta at gmail.com:
>
> << Hello, I need the digital book, "Genealogies das Quartro Ilhas" by 
> Jorge Forjaz. Can anyone tell me where to get it? Thank you.>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Dalva Salles Costa, dalvasallescosta at gmail.com:

<< Hello, I need the digital book, "Genealogies das Quartro Ilhas" by Jorge
Forjaz. Can anyone tell me where to get it? Thank you.>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Margaret,

Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I've ever heard Eugenia
pronounced in Portuguese. As for the word Asia, the "correct" pronunciation
is going to depend on where one lives and the regional accent there. And
the "J" sound varies here...it's all over the place. Now through in
Australia into the mix and that adds a degree of difficulty. Glad you
figured out though. Many times, I close my eyes and try different sounds in
pronouncing the word. The closest I could come up with was Ignacia which
was not the correct answer.

And a definite lucky break in finding that needle in the haystack! Lucky
Rob!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:16 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> It is written Osiana.  How do I see Eugenia?  How do you pronounce the
> word “ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ”
> not the S sound.  Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get?
>
> Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for
> information.  And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database.  I also knew
> it was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.  I suppose I was lucky
> to have found that needle.  I should say Rob is the lucky one.  I found the
> couple within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates
> were not matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and
> kept an eye out for other same name couples during my other research.  I
> also continued work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I
> could about parents, grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were
> too many coincidences matching up to his story but the timing was still
> off.  Now that Rob provided a solid piece of evidence plus another
> solidifying piece of his cousin’s marriage certificate,  I knew the
> research paid off and that it could be passed on to Rob.
>
> Margaret V.
>
> PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s
> godparents who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian
> marriages.
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *January 3, 2020 2:21 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>
>
>
> Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian
> accents. So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure
> it out? Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I
> have your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do
> Couto.  Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria
> Eugenia and Claudina Eugenia.
>
> Margaret Vicente
>
>
>
> *From: *Rob Whaite 
> *Sent: *January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the
> first marriage is the bride of the second.
>
>
>
> Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
>
>
>
> So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the
> other.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
> Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
>
> Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along
> with the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name,
> suggests that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good
> guess.
>
>
>
> I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned
> that the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and
> Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well.
>
>
>
> Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone
> named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m
> interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
>
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>
>
> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
> "ana" soun

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Viveiros

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine S,

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level. You have to know
the town your ancestor came from. You only know the Azores and you don't
have an island. You have a lot of research to do in the U.S. to try to
uncover his island and freguesia (village/town). Here's a 30+ page how-to
full of thing to try to find his freguesia.
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 6:15 PM Elaine Silvia  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I'm hoping someone can help me. My great grandfather, Jose Viveiros was
> born in the Azores but my mother does not know exactly which village. I
> know he was born in about 1883. I'm looking for his birth certificate. He
> married my great grandma Guilhermina da Camara supposedly in the United
> States but I cannot find records to confirm this. I don't know when he came
> to the U.S. He farmed and was a coal deliverer in U.S.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve,

Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking for
parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's listed
that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
> the site you referenced, thanks.
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
>> done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
>> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
>> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
>> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.
>>
>> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
>> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
>> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
>> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
>> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
>> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html
>>
>> However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
>> Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
>> a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.
>>
>> Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
>> Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
>> best bet.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1
>>> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual
>>> Sousa.
>>>
>>> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him.
>>>
>>> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868,
>>> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands,
>>> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a
>>> laborer.
>>>
>>> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and
>>> he is still an alien.
>>>
>>> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919
>>>
>>> 4. Obituary reveals this information:  Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict
>>> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores
>>>
>>> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between
>>> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and
>>> naturalization records:
>>>
>>> Index to Naturalization Records:
>>> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950,
>>>
>>> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal,
>>> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920
>>> Census
>>>
>>> Name: Manoel De Souza
>>> Petition Age: 30
>>> Record Type: Petition
>>> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868
>>> Birth Place: St Michael Azores
>>> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885
>>> Arrival Place: Boston
>>> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897
>>> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
>>> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943-
>>> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St
>>> Meguells, US, Steerage
>>> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal,
>>> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V
>>> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, ,
>>> Flores, , , Steerage Forward,
>>> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal,
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian accents.
So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure it out?
Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hello Rob,
>
> I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I
> have your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do
> Couto.  Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria
> Eugenia and Claudina Eugenia.
>
> Margaret Vicente
>
>
>
> *From: *Rob Whaite 
> *Sent: *January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the
> first marriage is the bride of the second.
>
>
>
> Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
>
>
>
> So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the
> other.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
> Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
>
> Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along
> with the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name,
> suggests that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good
> guess.
>
>
>
> I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned
> that the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and
> Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well.
>
>
>
> Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone
> named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m
> interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
>
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>
>
> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>
>
>
> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to
> indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
>
>
> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>
>
>
> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
> Hi Cheri
>
>
>
> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>
> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State
> of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same
> place(suspicious)?
>
>
>
> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>
>
>
> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
> surname?
>
>
>
> Be very interested to know.
>
>
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.

Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for the
obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got the
island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira between
1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza and
Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking for a
Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html

However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.

Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
best bet.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1
> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual
> Sousa.
>
> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him.
>
> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868,
> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands,
> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a
> laborer.
>
> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and
> he is still an alien.
>
> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919
>
> 4. Obituary reveals this information:  Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict
> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores
>
> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between
> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and
> naturalization records:
>
> Index to Naturalization Records:
> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950,
>
> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal,
> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920
> Census
>
> Name: Manoel De Souza
> Petition Age: 30
> Record Type: Petition
> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868
> Birth Place: St Michael Azores
> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885
> Arrival Place: Boston
> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897
> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943-
> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St Meguells,
> US, Steerage
> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal,
> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V
> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, ,
> Flores, , , Steerage Forward,
> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal,
> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags
> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage
> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
> Portugal, Western Islands
>
> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically much,
> but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin and he
> is from Sao Miguel
>
> Name
> Manoel De souza vemintol
> Birth
> abt 1868
> Departure
> Azores
> Arrival
> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885
>
>
> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a bunch
> for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least
>
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve S,
>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston
>> on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming
>> into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be
>> confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but
>> I find Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? What
>> documents say Flores? Depending 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

HI Rob,

Yes, I know Australia's language is English. It's the your accent that I
don't have much familiarity with. I have enough experience with the
Portuguese accent to figure it out, especially in various regions of
America (because I live in America). But the Portuguese accent with yours
is what I am unsure of. Osiama or whatever is not a Portuguese name. The
name is corrupted. It may be Ignacia or one of the other names. Either way,
I think it's just a 2nd name and not a surname so they may not be related.
They could be, but I would research as if they are not.
Good luck!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:28 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> I am sorry to confuse you.You did not have to answer me straight away,it's
> not as if I am paying you for advice but thank you anyway!
> Hope your day has turned out OK .
>
> Most registrars in the early days of Australia were English and therefore
> listened with English ears.
> I had one ancestor who was Cornish and the marriage registrar thought she
> said Hawking for a surname, and she was illiterate so she could not correct
> him.
> It turned out to be Hocking.
> I am sure that if you could hear me speak you would think I was speaking
> with an English accent.
>
> So all these variables can cause a lot of confusion.
>
> Thank you everyone most sincerely for your comments I shall take them
> onboard.
>
> Kindest Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:52:47 AM UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I didn't sleep well last night, so I'm not thinking well this morning.
>>
>> I see 2 pages but it looks like 3 certificates. The columns for the
>> marriage spans 2 pages. But it's 3 marriages, not 2 like you said. So I'm
>> confused (or lack of sleep).
>>
>> Records 16 and 17 show 2 men who are of Portuguese descent. The records
>> are from 1866. At that time period, women didn't have surnames. The mothers
>> of the groom have a butchered 2nd given name. It may be Rosa (the leading R
>> in Portuguese words is pronounced as an "h" so Rosa sounds like ho-sah).
>> But there's extra stuff there. Hosana (or Rosana) is not a Portuguese name.
>> I can't think of what it could be at the moment. Maybe someone else can
>> come up with something.
>>
>> "SZ" is not a letter combination in Portuguese. So he's Tomas (in today's
>> modern Portuguese). You will find all kinds of variations and
>> butcherizations in your search.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by the same place would be suspicious. You
>> provided the marriage register for the District of Gulong (?) in the Colony
>> of Victoria, so people being from Gulong or Victoria getting married in
>> Gulong or Victoria would be expected.
>>
>> Hope someone can come up with the 2nd name for the moms.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri
>>>
>>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the
>>> State of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the
>>> same place(suspicious)?
>>>
>>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
>>> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>>>
>>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
>>> surname?
>>>
>>> Be very interested to know.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve S,
Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston on
2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming into
Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be confusing.
First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but I find
Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? What
documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions will
point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase.

You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or Ancestry? They
are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing years ago, but they
didn't test 64 markers. FTDNA has a Y-DNA 67 test, if that is what you
mean. If you did it with Ancestry, you can transfer their Y-DNA 33 or Y-DNA
46 over to FTDNA (if you downloaded the raw data file). You won't get 33 or
46 markers though, as they aren't all compatible. You can make them
compatible by providing a swab and paying a fee:
[image: image.png]

If you did a Y-DNA test with FTDNA, you can join the Azores DNA Project.
You didn't directly say that your Stephens is a corruption of Souza though.
I'm guessing by your signature. And if you did test with FTDNA, you need to
add the Family Finder test. It's another tool to use. Y-DNA testing is a
direct line test - your father's father's father's line only. Family Finder
(autosomal DNA testing) covers all your lines going back about 200 years
from your birth. You'd have to tease them apart. If you did an Ancestry DNA
test (like the ones you see on TV), you did an autosomal DNA test and these
transfer over to FTDNA. You get matches for free. The tools and ethnicity
estimates are $19.

Set me straight on your island and hopefully I can point you in the right
direction.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other information,
> but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira.
>
> I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use these with
> their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would help, but it
> looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I believe I
> have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 dec 1887
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Stevens
>
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve S,
>>
>> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza.
>> At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing
>> with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records.
>>
>> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over
>> there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village,
>> especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone
>> holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches
>> to look through. It's a needle in a haystack.
>>
>> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the
>> port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the
>> records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing.
>>
>> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on
>> your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration
>> and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches
>> might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find
>> a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not
>> alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best
>> candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family
>> Tree DNA. Use this link:
>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
>> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S -
>> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends
>> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or
>>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born
>>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and
>>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Bosto

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching My Paternal Grandparents - Azevedo and Sequeira

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sandy G,

The Azorean Government digitized their records and they are housed on a
government web site, called Centro do Conhecimento dos Acores, but we just
call it the CCA. It's in Portuguese. Luckily, someone created a navigation
site for the CCA and it's in English. It's Tombo.pt. The English version is
here:
https://tombo.pt/en

The navigation is in the left pane. You can scroll down, click on Azores,
then the island (Pico or Sao Jorge), the the council, then the freguesia
(village). Or just type the freguesia in the search box at the top of the
left column.

There is no Ribeira on Pico. There's a Ribeiras, so you want to type that
into the search box. You have Norte Grande spelled correctly.

You'll also want to cross reference with the Azores GenWeb to see what
indices exist (if any) for your freguesias:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ Point at: Maps, Database, Indexes.  Then
you'll need this to learn to bumble your way through the Portuguese. The
documents follow a format:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:07 AM Sandy Griffith 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am new to the group and appreciate all of the great
> information.
>
> My paternal grandfather, Manuel Silva Azevedo, is from Ribeira, Pico and
> came to the US at age 11 to live with his uncle Joe in CA (born Feb 23,
> 1888).  My paternal grandmother, Marianna Sequeira is from Notre Grande,
> Sao Jorge (born 1889); census record shows she also came over to the US
> around age 11.  They met in Marin County, CA and married in 1911, having 10
> children including the youngest, my father (Marianna died in childbirth
> with my father in 1924; my grandfather Manuel died in 1960).  The 1920 and
> 1930 federal US census shows Uncle Joe Azevedo living the family.
>
> I welcome any tips/information for further research (I am on Ancestry but
> have hit a dead end); I know virtually nothing about either of them—who
> their parents were, potential siblings (family story that my grandfather
> had a younger sister who stayed in Pico with their mother), etc.  Three of
> four of my maternal grandparents are from Sao Jorge (Calheta), but I know
> much more about those lines (Vasconcelos, Valim, Bronco and also an
> Azevedo!). Also unfortunately I do not speak or read Portugese.  Thanks!
> Sandy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

de = of
o (masculine) = the
a (feminine) = the

"of the" is a contraction in Portuguese.
da = of the (feminine)
do = of the (masculine)

But if using a contraction of da or do and the next word is a vowel, the
"a" or "o" was dropped and it was written as d'. d'Avila is an example.

These were supposed to be the grammar rules there. And as we know, not
everyone writes proper grammar. And these are documents from immigrants to
Australia and I don't speak with an Australian accent, so I'm not sure what
their ears are hearing. I can figure out New England (Parhk the cahr), New
York (Quwahfee, fowark), and some others, but I don't have experience with
Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:41 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good point, Cheri.  I also started looking at name ideas.   Thinking also
> the da prefix.  da Silva, etc.  did the ever use do?   That would give an o
> sound. do Sienna.   Rob, you have your work cut out for you.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:35 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
>> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
>> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>>
>> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document
>> to indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
>> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
>>> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
>>> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
>>> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
>>> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
>>> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
>>> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>>>
>>> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth
>>> records.
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cheri
>>>>
>>>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>>>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the
>>>> State of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the
>>>> same place(suspicious)?
>>>>
>>>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
>>>> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>>>>
>>>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of
>>>> this surname?
>>>>
>>>> Be very interested to know.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
"ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.

I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to
indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>
> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>
> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri
>>
>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State
>> of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same
>> place(suspicious)?
>>
>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
>> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>>
>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
>> surname?
>>
>> Be very interested to know.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve S,

Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza. At
least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing with
won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records.

Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over
there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village,
especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone
holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches
to look through. It's a needle in a haystack.

You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the
port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the
records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing.

If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on
your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration
and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches
might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find
a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not
alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best
candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family
Tree DNA. Use this link:
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On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or
> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born
> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and
> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA.  He was
> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were
> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones
> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the
> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt
> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943).
>
> Any help would be most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Rob,

I didn't sleep well last night, so I'm not thinking well this morning.

I see 2 pages but it looks like 3 certificates. The columns for the
marriage spans 2 pages. But it's 3 marriages, not 2 like you said. So I'm
confused (or lack of sleep).

Records 16 and 17 show 2 men who are of Portuguese descent. The records are
from 1866. At that time period, women didn't have surnames. The mothers of
the groom have a butchered 2nd given name. It may be Rosa (the leading R in
Portuguese words is pronounced as an "h" so Rosa sounds like ho-sah). But
there's extra stuff there. Hosana (or Rosana) is not a Portuguese name. I
can't think of what it could be at the moment. Maybe someone else can come
up with something.

"SZ" is not a letter combination in Portuguese. So he's Tomas (in today's
modern Portuguese). You will find all kinds of variations and
butcherizations in your search.

I don't know what you mean by the same place would be suspicious. You
provided the marriage register for the District of Gulong (?) in the Colony
of Victoria, so people being from Gulong or Victoria getting married in
Gulong or Victoria would be expected.

Hope someone can come up with the 2nd name for the moms.
Cheri Mello
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On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State
> of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same
> place(suspicious)?
>
> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>
> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
> surname?
>
> Be very interested to know.
>
> Best Regards
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted again)
The commenting period is closed. Thanks to those who made the effort to
respond.
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 9:59 AM Gordon soares  wrote:

> If you haven’t... you need to if you either are quitting your research or
> have a lot of money!!!
> This is important
> Gordon Soares
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>
> Comments are due *IN 3 HOURS, TODAY, MONDAY, DECEMBER 30*. Do it now.
> Here's the revamped step by step (abridged and detailed).
>
> Two steps, abridged:
> 1)
> *YOU HAVE TO MENTION BOTH THE GENEALOGY PROGRAM AND THE DHS DOCKET NO.
> USCIS-2019-0010 IN YOUR COMMENT! *
> (Sorry for the bold and red, I'm trying to be sure you put this part in)
>
> 2) Go here: https://beta.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2019-0010-0001
> IF YOU ARE SHORT ON TIME go to the comments and read a few a blend a
> couple together. That link is here:
> https://beta.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2019-0010-0001/comment
>
> Two steps, a little more detail:
> 1) You should go here and the information:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? (yes the ? is part of the URL). Don't
> have time? Basically, it says: < Immigration Services (USCIS) proposed a sudden and unprecedented *492%
> increase in fees* required to access historical records held by the USCIS
> Genealogy Program. *Many of these records should already be publicly
> accessible under the law.* USCIS is essentially holding them hostage,
> demanding individuals pay exorbitant and unjustifiable fees to access
> documents of our immigrant ancestors. All researchers should care about the
> issues involved, even if your research does not include these historical
> records. What can be done to one type of record can be done to others!>>
>
> Some of the records affected: A-Files, C-Files, Alien Registration Files,
> Visa Files, Japanese Internment documentation, replacement naturalization
> papers, and more.
>
> Here are some of their suggested writing prompts:
> 
>
>
> *YOU HAVE TO MENTION BOTH THE GENEALOGY PROGRAM AND THE DHS DOCKET NO.
> USCIS-2019-0010 IN YOUR COMMENT!*
> (Sorry for the bold and red, I'm trying to be sure you put this part in).
>
> 2) Post your comments here:
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>
> Please do it NOW!
> Cheri Mello
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>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:02 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>>
>> Comments are due *TODAY, MONDAY, DECEMBER 30*. Do it now. Here's the
>> revamped step by step (abridged and detailed).
>>
>> Two steps, abridged:
>> 1)
>> *YOU HAVE TO MENTION BOTH THE GENEALOGY PROGRAM AND THE DHS DOCKET NO.
>> USCIS-2019-0010 IN YOUR COMMENT! *
>> (Sorry for the bold and red, I'm trying to be sure you put this part in)
>>
>> 2) Go here: https://beta.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2019-0010-0001
>> IF YOU ARE SHORT ON TIME go to the comments and read a few a blend a
>> couple together. That link is here:
>> https://beta.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2019-0010-0001/comment
>>
>> Two steps, a little more detail:
>> 1) You should go here and the information:
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? (yes the ? is part of the URL).
>> Don't have time? Basically, it says: <> Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS) proposed a sudden and
>> unprecedented *492% increase in fees* required to access historical
>> records held by the USCIS Genealogy Program. *Many of these records
>> should already be publicly accessible under the law.* USCIS is
>> essentially holding them hostage, demanding individuals pay exorbitant and
>> unjustifiable fees to access documents of our immigrant ancestors. All
>> researchers should care about the issues involved, even if your research
>> does not include these historical records. What can be done to one type of
>> record can be done to others!>>
>>
>> Some of the records affected: A-Files, C-Files, Alien Registration Files,
>> Visa Files, Japanese Internment documentation, replacement naturalization
>> papers, and more.
>>
>> Here are some of their suggested writing prompts:
>> 
>>
>>
>> *YOU HAVE TO MENTION BOTH THE GENEALOGY PROGRAM AND THE DHS DOCKET NO.
>> USCIS-2019-0010 IN YOUR COMMENT!*
>> (Sorry for the bold and red, I'm trying to be sure you put this part in).
>>
>> 2) Post your comments here:
>> https://beta.regulati

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Vicência Antonia de Jesus’ birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Abectriz,

Can you narrow down the dates on Vicencia? The 1800s is from 1800-1899 and
that's a lot of searching. You can probably narrow it down to a 10 year
range or so, based off of the birth of her first children. When were her
first children born? She was most likely in her 20s at their birth. Then
you will have a better date range to search.
Thanks,
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:55 AM abectriz  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  I’m searching for any information about my grandmother number 5, she was
> born in Sāo Jorge Island. Her name was Vicência Antonia de Jesus. She
> emigrated to Cantagalo, Brazil in the 1800’s and was buried there. Her
> first husband was Manuel Gonçalves de Morais. Their children: Maria
> Vicencia de Jesus( my greatgrandmother) and Severina Gonçalves de Jesus de
> Morais. Her second husband was Antonio José Alves da Silveira born in Sāo
> Jorge Island( Nossa Senhora do Rosario) It looks like she married Antonio
> José in Brazil.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

CNN picked it up today too. Why does the news media wait until the last
day??

Did you write in?
Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:24 AM E. Sharp  wrote:

> Here in Sacramento on the news this morning they spoke about this and
> about people writing in to complain about the new fees.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parish archives after 1911

[Cheri Mello]

Most of Sao Miguel stops in 1905. Some parishes in Ponta Delgada go up to
1911. The rest of the Azores goes up to 1911. The archives in Ponta Delgada
said they ran out of room for the books. So for any other records, you have
to write the Civil Registry or use Joao Ventura. I hope you have the
date(s).

Conservatória do Registo Civil de Ponta Delgada
9500 Ponta Delgada
São Miguel, Açores
Portugal

Or Joao: hero...@yahoo.com

Good luck,
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:50 AM Scott Edward Anderson <
greenskep...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It appears the Parish archives in Ponta Delgada are limited to 1911. Does
> anyone know whether records after 1911 were kept and where they may be
> found?
>
> Obrigado,
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

OK, now it makes perfect sense.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 4:40 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> My wife verified that a  judge's order legally authorized her to marry
> since she was an orphan.
>
> I did find obitos for her parents.  Her mother died 6 months before she
> married and her father two years before.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P26.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P39.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

Did you mean to attach Virginia's baptism?

Her parents' deaths would be in their baptism, not all the kids' baptisms.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:24 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri.  I found Virginia’s birth and it verifies her death date
> but; I can’t quite read the date, in the sidenote. I think it does say 21
> Dec 1966.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:16 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro
>
>
>
> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
> better eyes can look.
>
>
>
> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Becky,

You can't tell from the baptism. You'll have to pull the parents' marriage
to see if they are related and needed a dispensation. The grandfathers
could be the same person or even cousins with the same name. Or the priest
had too much eggnog. LOL
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:25 PM Becky Mendonca  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P273.html
>
>
> No. 43
> Are the grandfathers Boaventura Ignacio doValle 2 different people, or are
> they 1 in the same?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
city hall" thing says.
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>
> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
> at city hall?
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
>> better eyes can look.
>>
>> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
>> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
>>> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
>>> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can sks help me out here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
better eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it
on Virginia's baptism too?

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Genealogy on 20/20 last night

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks Eliseu. Some links don't work in other countries.

Rick, I still can't fathom the mother who was pregnant 5 times and never
showed. I've worked with pregnant women and I've never encountered one who
didn't really show, especially at 8 and 9 months! (Don't want to give it
all away for those who still plan on watching).
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 6:19 AM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Cheri, Thanks for sharing. It is interesting to not only see what DNA can
> find but also what the reaction of different people are.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Cheri
> Mello
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:31 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Genealogy on 20/20 last night
>
>
>
> This was a rerun from a year ago. 20/20 is an American investigative
> journalism news program.
>
>
>
> Cece Moore helps find the birth parents of two different individuals. I'm
> not sure if the link works outside of the United States. It's about 40
> minutes long.
>
> https://vimeo.com/288912882
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Genealogy on 20/20 last night

[Cheri Mello]

This was a rerun from a year ago. 20/20 is an American investigative
journalism news program.

Cece Moore helps find the birth parents of two different individuals. I'm
not sure if the link works outside of the United States. It's about 40
minutes long.
https://vimeo.com/288912882

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Haplogroup K1a4a1

[Cheri Mello]

Rick,

Your cousin has the "a" on the end of his haplogroup. Bill doesn't have it.
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On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:27 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Bill Ricardo wrote:
>
> I have thus far submitted DNA tests to both ancestry.com and
> FamilyTreeDNA.com and I have obtained further YDNA and MtDNA results
> (haplogroups G-M201 and K1a4a, respectively) from the latter.  I have
> further shared data with MyHeritage.com and GEDMatch.  Up until now I have
> used ancestry.com as my primary tree building platform but I discovered a
> few months ago that the 1,000 or so photos I had uploaded there last year
> at this time had disappeared from the various family member profiles and
> they, ancestry.com,  were initially unable to explain why.  Since that
> first revelation, they have responded to me via email for additional data
> from me about my tree, such as sending them screen shots and the like.
> Frankly, I don't wish to commit to that much time to reconstruct the info I
> had loaded to the site over what easily took me dozens of hours to
> generate.  My thought now is that I should cancel my subscription with
> ancestry.com and rebuild my extended tree with My Heritage.
>
>
>
> My question is can My Heritage.com provide the same or comparable level of
> info that I was getting from ancestry.com if I subscribe to their
> "Complete" service level?
>
>
>
> Any assistance/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Obrigado/Mahalo/Thanks,
>
> Bill Ricardo
>
>
>
> Bill I started this under a new subject.  I noted your MtDNA test result
> is K1a4a (Not sure if you left the last digit off) My great grandmother was
> a K1a4a1, I actually traced down the female line to a male cousin (Robert
> Carvalho) and tested him on FTDNA. What testing company did you test the
> MtDNA with?
>
>
>
> As far as trees on line I am a strong advocate of not keeping my
> information on line or in a cloud. I prefer to having it on a program on my
> own computer. There are several posts in the list archive about genealogy
> programs and a post earlier this month on the subject.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Lee, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestry vs. My Heritage for tree building

[Cheri Mello]

 Bill R,

I don't use any of the online tree services. My tree lives on my computer
in my fully-featured genealogy program. I control it. If I screw it up,
it's my fault. From time to time, I generate a new tree and upload it where
I need to upload it.

>From what I understand, the tree "software" is similar on both sites.
Legacy Family Tree will sync with the My Heritage tree when Legacy releases
version 10. For now you would have to Gedcom it over:
https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2018/06/working-with-dna-using-myheritage-and-legacy.html

I don't know about the which databases and records My Heritage holds, so I
can't speak to that. I think a couple of people here may subscribe.

Bill you need to contact Herb Silva, one of your DNA Family Finder matches
on FTDNA. You match his mom and if you work together, you can probably
figure out the connection. Well, you match more than his mom. You are
matching a lot of family members that Herb has tested.
Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 11:20 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Bill Ricardo, wjricardo at gmail.com
>
> Bill said:
> < platform but I discovered a few months ago that the 1,000 or so photos I
> had uploaded there last year at this time had disappeared from the various
> family member profiles and they, ancestry.com,  were initially unable to
> explain why.  Since that first revelation, they have responded to me via
> email for additional data from me about my tree, such as sending them
> screen shots and the like.  Frankly, I don't wish to commit to that much
> time to reconstruct the info I had loaded to the site over what easily took
> me dozens of hours to generate.  My thought now is that I should cancel my
> subscription with ancestry.com and rebuild my extended tree with My
> Heritage.
>
> My question is can My Heritage.com provide the same or comparable level of
> info that I was getting from ancestry.com if I subscribe to their
> "Complete" service level?
>
> Any assistance/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Obrigado/Mahalo/Thanks,
> Bill Ricardo>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry vs. My Heritage for tree building

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Bill Ricardo, wjricardo at gmail.com

Bill said:
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Holiday Sale (through Dec. 26th)

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Bill,

I am going to start this in its own thread. It's off topic and many people
delete this thread as some don't wish to participate.

Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 10:36 AM Bill Ricardo  wrote:

> Merry Christmas!
>
> I know this may be a bit outside of the parameters of your regular
> purview, but I am hoping y'all can provide some valuable guidance.
>
> I have thus far submitted DNA tests to both ancestry.com and
> FamilyTreeDNA.com and I have obtained further YDNA and MtDNA results
> (haplogroups G-M201 and K1a4a, respectively) from the latter.  I have
> further shared data with MyHeritage.com and GEDMatch.  Up until now I have
> used ancestry.com as my primary tree building platform but I discovered a
> few months ago that the 1,000 or so photos I had uploaded there last year
> at this time had disappeared from the various family member profiles and
> they, ancestry.com,  were initially unable to explain why.  Since that
> first revelation, they have responded to me via email for additional data
> from me about my tree, such as sending them screen shots and the like.
> Frankly, I don't wish to commit to that much time to reconstruct the info I
> had loaded to the site over what easily took me dozens of hours to
> generate.  My thought now is that I should cancel my subscription with
> ancestry.com and rebuild my extended tree with My Heritage.
>
> My question is can My Heritage.com provide the same or comparable level of
> info that I was getting from ancestry.com if I subscribe to their
> "Complete" service level?
>
> Any assistance/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Obrigado/Mahalo/Thanks,
> Bill Ricardo
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:25 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>>
>> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)'s Holiday Sale has begun and will run though
>> Thursday, December 26th, until 11:59 PST.
>>
>> At a glance, the prices appear to be the same as the Black Friday through
>> Cyber Monday sale. I'm waiting for a nice chart (like last time) to post
>> the prices.
>>
>> Any questions, feel free to ask.
>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Administrator (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

Mindy S,

Most of the freguesias are on the coast. So Feteiras and Capelas are on
opposite sides of the island. Because they are volcanic, you'd have to
either walk around (that would be a long walkmaybe a day? I don't
know). Or you'd have to hike up and over to get to the other freguesia. The
pinched waist area of Sao Miguel island is approximately 10 miles wide (the
island is roughly 40 miles long). Where I drew this line is about 10 miles:
[image: image.png]

And we don't know yet if Elaine S. has DNA tested and with which companies.
Elaine needs to test her mom. Her dad too, if he is alive, regardless of if
he is Portuguese or not. Test the oldest generation first.

Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:13 AM Mindy Silva  wrote:

> Hi Elaine,
>
> I have ancestors from São Miguel, but I don't see you as one of my
> matches. If you look on the map Cheri gave you the link for (or this
> color map <https://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/ponta-delgada.html>)
> you can see Feteiras, where most of mine were. Do you have a gedmatch
> number?
>
> Mindy Silva
>
> On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 5:34:47 PM UTC-5, Elaine wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great
>> grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela,
>> Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family.
>> I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated
>> and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she
>> passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166
>> Langley Street. Please help.
>> Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine, then what Margaret found for you is the correct Guilhermina.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:12 AM Elaine Silvia 
wrote:

> I spoke with my mom. Guilhermina Camara did have parents. She did say the
> when my great grandmother was living in the United States, her mother died
> and her father remarried. No one in the family remembers when. The woman
> was not kind to her and didn't want her around the property in Capelas.
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 8:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Elaine S,
>>
>> Well if you have information that your ancestor was a foundling
>> (orphaned), then Margaret found the wrong record. You need to go to this
>> record set and look at every Guilhermina and find one without parents.
>> https://tombo.pt/en/f/pdl04
>>
>> Alternatively, if you have her immigration date, you can search the
>> Azorean "passaportes" for her LEAVING the Azores. They state if they had
>> parents (or not) and who they were.
>> https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores#PDL
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 5:17 PM Elaine Silvia 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you again! This is all so amazing to me. I was concerned my great
>>> grandmother was adopted or an orphan.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 8:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The church is Nossa Senhora da Apresentação. You can find a list of
>>>> freguesias (villages) and their churches on the Azores GenWeb. Here they
>>>> are for Sao Miguel island:
>>>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/
>>>>
>>>> Generally, those who live outside the Azores only translate the word
>>>> Açores to Azores. Some leave it as Açores. However, once we are researching
>>>> there, we leave the island, freguesia, and church in its native language.
>>>> So we leave it in Portuguese. Because saying someone is from Chapels and
>>>> the church is Our Lady of the Presentations sounds like you are going to do
>>>> a Power Point! :)
>>>>
>>>> Also on the Azores GenWeb is a translation guide. Catholic records
>>>> follow a certain format. Here are the key words. At the end is a link that
>>>> will take you to translations so you can learn to bumble your way through
>>>> the records too.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/
>>>>
>>>> Hope you find this helpful.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 4:58 PM Elaine Silvia 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Portuguese reading is fair. Could you tell me the name of the
>>>>> Church.? I read something about Ponta Delgado and Our Lady.
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> Elaine
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 5:56 PM Elaine Silvia 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my goodness! Thank you so much I was looking not only for myself
>>>>>> but my mother who just turned 82! God bless you! Merry Christmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 5:54 PM Margaret Vicente <
>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Elaine,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the birth record for Guilhermina, in Capelas, Sao Miguel.  See
>>>>>>> link, right side
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> N.o 99  Guilhermina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> baptized Oct 30 1887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> born on  Oct 14 1887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de
>>>>>>> Jesus, housewife, natural

[AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

[Cheri Mello]

Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all!

Since we now have more Australians and others from that side of the world,
I'm starting this thread a day earlier (because it's already Christmas Eve
there).

Please post your Christmas greetings to this thread ONLY. Just hit reply to
this email and type your greeting (for those on Digest mode, go out to the
web board or forum and find this "Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal" thread
and reply to it).

Do NOT start your own thread. Reply ONLY to this one. Some people enjoy
sending the greetings and there are others who feel this is off-topic for
the list. So please, make it easy for them to delete it.

You may post your greetings until 11:59 YOUR TIME on December 25th. If it's
12 midnight on Dec. 26th, sorry you are too late.

Hope everyone has a Prospero Ano Novo and finds many ancestors in 2020!
Cheri Mello, Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

Well if you have information that your ancestor was a foundling (orphaned),
then Margaret found the wrong record. You need to go to this record set and
look at every Guilhermina and find one without parents.
https://tombo.pt/en/f/pdl04

Alternatively, if you have her immigration date, you can search the Azorean
"passaportes" for her LEAVING the Azores. They state if they had parents
(or not) and who they were.
https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores#PDL

Good luck!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 5:17 PM Elaine Silvia  wrote:

> Thank you again! This is all so amazing to me. I was concerned my great
> grandmother was adopted or an orphan.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 8:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> The church is Nossa Senhora da Apresentação. You can find a list of
>> freguesias (villages) and their churches on the Azores GenWeb. Here they
>> are for Sao Miguel island:
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/
>>
>> Generally, those who live outside the Azores only translate the word
>> Açores to Azores. Some leave it as Açores. However, once we are researching
>> there, we leave the island, freguesia, and church in its native language.
>> So we leave it in Portuguese. Because saying someone is from Chapels and
>> the church is Our Lady of the Presentations sounds like you are going to do
>> a Power Point! :)
>>
>> Also on the Azores GenWeb is a translation guide. Catholic records follow
>> a certain format. Here are the key words. At the end is a link that will
>> take you to translations so you can learn to bumble your way through the
>> records too.
>>
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/
>>
>> Hope you find this helpful.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 4:58 PM Elaine Silvia 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Portuguese reading is fair. Could you tell me the name of the
>>> Church.? I read something about Ponta Delgado and Our Lady.
>>> Thank you
>>> Elaine
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 5:56 PM Elaine Silvia 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh my goodness! Thank you so much I was looking not only for myself but
>>>> my mother who just turned 82! God bless you! Merry Christmas.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 5:54 PM Margaret Vicente <
>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Elaine,
>>>>>
>>>>> Found the birth record for Guilhermina, in Capelas, Sao Miguel.  See
>>>>> link, right side
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html
>>>>>
>>>>> N.o 99  Guilhermina
>>>>>
>>>>> baptized Oct 30 1887
>>>>>
>>>>> born on  Oct 14 1887
>>>>>
>>>>> Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus,
>>>>> housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street
>>>>>
>>>>> Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus
>>>>>
>>>>> Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina
>>>>> Candida de Jesus
>>>>>
>>>>> Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the
>>>>> Godmother the invocation our Our Lady.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Margaret V
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Elaine 
>>>>> *Sent: *December 21, 2019 5:34 PM
>>>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth
>>>>> certificate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great
>>>>> grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela,
>>>>> Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family.
>>>>> I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated
>>>>> and lived in Fall R

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

The church is Nossa Senhora da Apresentação. You can find a list of
freguesias (villages) and their churches on the Azores GenWeb. Here they
are for Sao Miguel island:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/

Generally, those who live outside the Azores only translate the word Açores
to Azores. Some leave it as Açores. However, once we are researching there,
we leave the island, freguesia, and church in its native language. So we
leave it in Portuguese. Because saying someone is from Chapels and the
church is Our Lady of the Presentations sounds like you are going to do a
Power Point! :)

Also on the Azores GenWeb is a translation guide. Catholic records follow a
certain format. Here are the key words. At the end is a link that will take
you to translations so you can learn to bumble your way through the records
too.
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/

Hope you find this helpful.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 4:58 PM Elaine Silvia  wrote:

> My Portuguese reading is fair. Could you tell me the name of the Church.?
> I read something about Ponta Delgado and Our Lady.
> Thank you
> Elaine
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 5:56 PM Elaine Silvia  wrote:
>
>> Oh my goodness! Thank you so much I was looking not only for myself but
>> my mother who just turned 82! God bless you! Merry Christmas.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 5:54 PM Margaret Vicente 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Elaine,
>>>
>>> Found the birth record for Guilhermina, in Capelas, Sao Miguel.  See
>>> link, right side
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html
>>>
>>> N.o 99  Guilhermina
>>>
>>> baptized Oct 30 1887
>>>
>>> born on  Oct 14 1887
>>>
>>> Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus,
>>> housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street
>>>
>>> Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus
>>>
>>> Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina Candida
>>> de Jesus
>>>
>>> Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the
>>> Godmother the invocation our Our Lady.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret V
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Elaine 
>>> *Sent: *December 21, 2019 5:34 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth
>>> certificate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great
>>> grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela,
>>> Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family.
>>> I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated
>>> and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she
>>> passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166
>>> Langley Street. Please help.
>>>
>>> Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions.
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish Roots

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores and Madeira)

>From time to time, the topic of crypto-Jews come up. Here is a story of a
Cuban woman in Florida who traced her ancestors back to the Inquisition.
She had to physically travel to Lisbon to use their Inquisition records.
The article does not name the facility.

>From NPR.org. Not sure if this link is accessible outside of the United
States:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/22/789864201/trove-of-recipes-dating-back-to-inquisition-reveals-a-familys-secret-jewish-root?utm_medium=RSS_campaign=news=IwAR2boIo1RshDPOA2y1Lzu5q56GvzJnOQNJBxdcLkD1eiWxYIXQjey8KF45w

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine S,

Sao Miguel island has a freguesia (village) called CapelaS. Not Capela.
There's a Capelo on the island of Faial as well. I just want to be sure
that you are interested in Capelas (a freguesia), on the island of Sao
Miguel, which is one of the Azores Islands. No need to state that it's in
the Azores, since that is why this group exists. If it is indeed Capelas on
Sao Miguel island, please confirm so we can provide the correct information.
Thanks,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 2:34 PM Elaine  wrote:

> Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great
> grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela,
> Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family.
> I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated
> and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she
> passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166
> Langley Street. Please help.
> Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage DNA Tools are free until Dec. 18th!

[Cheri Mello]

The few Azorean auto clusters that I have seen...There's a really large
cluster and the next one is about half the size. His is for people who are
half-Azorean. I think I've only seen 3 or 4 of them.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:12 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> I did not have any trouble getting my clusters to come in. I did mine with
> Chrome and so did my son.
> I did change a couple of the settings on my computer to have the html to
> open with Chrome instead of Explorer.
>
> I only had a total of 9 clusters. My 1st one had 49 people in it. Azores
> for sure.
> My son had a total of 16 clusters. The most he had in a cluster was 17
> people.
>
> Very interesting to see. Most people I do not recognize their names.
> Marilyn
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:08 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> It's not always in my inbox. Sometimes it's in my "Promotions" section or
>> in Spam. It comes from "My Heritage Notification."
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:39 PM Paul  wrote:
>>
>>> You are getting more than I am. After clicking on generate I get the
>>> message they will send an e-mail when the process has finished. Yet I have
>>> not received one.
>>>
>>> Paul G.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 2:22:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, I just realized that I was using Chrome when I generated the Auto
>>>> Cluster report. Yet it comes as Firefox HTML.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:58 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I have My Heritage generate an Auto Cluster, I get an attachment.
>>>>> I download that to my computer. I prefer to rename it, so this one is for
>>>>> an American cousin, Nancy. I double click the folder:
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I'm going to double click the folder again:
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> There's an Excel file and an HTML document. I happen to be on Firefox.
>>>>> I don't know if that is why the "Type" says Firefox or not. So I double
>>>>> click the Firefox (2nd one) and it generates the clusters.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried this with Chrome. I have both Chrome and Firefox on my
>>>>> computer and I have both open at once because some things are rather picky
>>>>> on the Internet and they don't play nicely with one browser, so I try the
>>>>> other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:09 AM Paul  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve tried the auto cluster twice. I have yet to see the results.
>>>>>> Maybe I’ll download my data again and give it another try.
>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage DNA Tools are free until Dec. 18th!

[Cheri Mello]

Paul,

It's not always in my inbox. Sometimes it's in my "Promotions" section or
in Spam. It comes from "My Heritage Notification."
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:39 PM Paul  wrote:

> You are getting more than I am. After clicking on generate I get the
> message they will send an e-mail when the process has finished. Yet I have
> not received one.
>
> Paul G.
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 2:22:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, I just realized that I was using Chrome when I generated the Auto
>> Cluster report. Yet it comes as Firefox HTML.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:58 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> When I have My Heritage generate an Auto Cluster, I get an attachment. I
>>> download that to my computer. I prefer to rename it, so this one is for an
>>> American cousin, Nancy. I double click the folder:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Then I'm going to double click the folder again:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> There's an Excel file and an HTML document. I happen to be on Firefox. I
>>> don't know if that is why the "Type" says Firefox or not. So I double click
>>> the Firefox (2nd one) and it generates the clusters.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried this with Chrome. I have both Chrome and Firefox on my
>>> computer and I have both open at once because some things are rather picky
>>> on the Internet and they don't play nicely with one browser, so I try the
>>> other.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:09 AM Paul  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve tried the auto cluster twice. I have yet to see the results. Maybe
>>>> I’ll download my data again and give it another try.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage DNA Tools are free until Dec. 18th!

[Cheri Mello]

Hmm, I just realized that I was using Chrome when I generated the Auto
Cluster report. Yet it comes as Firefox HTML.
Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:58 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> When I have My Heritage generate an Auto Cluster, I get an attachment. I
> download that to my computer. I prefer to rename it, so this one is for an
> American cousin, Nancy. I double click the folder:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Then I'm going to double click the folder again:
> [image: image.png]
>
> There's an Excel file and an HTML document. I happen to be on Firefox. I
> don't know if that is why the "Type" says Firefox or not. So I double click
> the Firefox (2nd one) and it generates the clusters.
>
> I haven't tried this with Chrome. I have both Chrome and Firefox on my
> computer and I have both open at once because some things are rather picky
> on the Internet and they don't play nicely with one browser, so I try the
> other.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:09 AM Paul  wrote:
>
>> I’ve tried the auto cluster twice. I have yet to see the results. Maybe
>> I’ll download my data again and give it another try.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto

[Cheri Mello]

I've seen some Claudinas. Less Eugenias, but both names exist in the Azores.
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 10:31 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> Thanks to you I have been able to track down my Do Couto family aka
> Josephs aka Decoite aka DeCoyte and also DeKoyte.
>
> The English were always pretty hopeless when it comes to pronouncing
> European names and spelling them!!
>
> Joseph Josephs aka Jose' Do Couto  was born about 1808 and married to a
> Claudina Eugenia or something like that?
>
> His wife apparently died before he came to the state of Victoria Australia
> about 1845 with his son Joao who was born about 1835 in Portugal.
>
> Joseph remarried in South Australia in 1851,leaving his son behind in
> Victoria and changed his surname to Josephs for what reason I don't know..
>
> Maybe he ran foul of the law,easy enough to do in the 19th century.
>
> He was supposed to be born in the Azores but I wouldn't swear to that.
>
> Records for the period are difficult to come by as we don't have Census
> records for example.
>
> Thanks again Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage DNA Tools are free until Dec. 18th!

[Cheri Mello]

When I have My Heritage generate an Auto Cluster, I get an attachment. I
download that to my computer. I prefer to rename it, so this one is for an
American cousin, Nancy. I double click the folder:
[image: image.png]

Then I'm going to double click the folder again:
[image: image.png]

There's an Excel file and an HTML document. I happen to be on Firefox. I
don't know if that is why the "Type" says Firefox or not. So I double click
the Firefox (2nd one) and it generates the clusters.

I haven't tried this with Chrome. I have both Chrome and Firefox on my
computer and I have both open at once because some things are rather picky
on the Internet and they don't play nicely with one browser, so I try the
other.

Cheri


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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:09 AM Paul  wrote:

> I’ve tried the auto cluster twice. I have yet to see the results. Maybe
> I’ll download my data again and give it another try.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] General question

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Brian M,

You are talking about what us genealogists call genealogy software. You
will never get a consensus on the "strongest" no matter where you are
searching. It's like trying to poll people for the "best" car. We pick
whatever car suits us and our budgets best. So it is with genealogy
software.

Currently, there are 2 groups of genealogy software out there. One is the
fully-featured genealogy software programs. This is a computer program that
lives on your computer. The most popular ones on the market today are
Family Tree Maker (https://www.mackiev.com/ftm/), Legacy Family Tree (
www.legacyfamilytree.com), and RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Legacy's
"Standard Edition" is free. Download it and give it a try. RootsMagic's
Essentials is also free. Download that and give it a try. Family Tree Maker
doesn't have a free trial version.

The other group of genealogy software (if you want to call it that) is the
cloud based systems. They definitely aren't fully featured like the ones I
listed above. They are more of a display of your genealogy work. I believe
you need a monthly subscription if you are going to be working on your tree
for most of them. The most popular ones out there are Ancestry.com,
MyHeritage, and Geni.com. These online versions definitely have limitations.

Some of the fully-featured genealogy software programs sync with My
Heritage. I don't know which one(s). You can always create a Gedcom on any
genealogy software and override your tree on My Heritage. My suggestion to
you would be to download Legacy and RootsMagic and play around with them.
Enter yourself, parents, and grandparents. Make a "mistake" and enter a
death date BEFORE the birth date to see how it handles it. Try thinking of
other "mistakes" that you typically make and see how the software handles
it. Then go with the software that grabs you. That's the software that is
for you. All have Gedcom format, so your work can be shared with others.
Right now, I believe Legacy and RootsMagic may be having a sale for the
holidays.

If you want to know, my criteria for a genealogy program was if it accepted
diacritics (accented letters) and could take a place field that was 19 or
20 characters long. This was in the mid-90s, when things were more limited.
Both are a non-issue now. My current criteria would be able to search for
the correct Maria de Jesus or Manuel Silva and to be able to filter the
program for groups of people. So I'd need an index that I could customize
so I could see all my Maria de Jesuses with various details (birth and
death dates, parents, and spouse are my favorite). And a customizable
filter. And UTF-8, which my old program didn't have. Your criteria may be
different.

Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:53 AM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm curious as to what platform everyone here prefers, or which is
> considered the strongest (especially for the Acores).
>
> I currently use MyHeritage, and I'm really happy with it.  I'll be keeping
> the account no matter what.  But does anyone have any input on an
> alternative or maybe a supplemental platform?  I have Ancestry years ago
> and haven't touched it since.  I've used Geneall a bit, but it didn't seem
> to be worth the trouble.
>
> Any insights are greatly appreciated.
>
> Brian
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted again)

Here's an article about U.S. Congressman, Mitt Romney, requesting an audit
or accounting of the USCIS and a lot of other information:
https://www.deseret.com/2019/12/11/21005211/romney-immigration-services-fee-hikes-family-history-research-genealogy-program-ancestry-mormon

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:26 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> The fees for the United States Naturalization records are under review and
> the new increase will cost us over $600! We have *ONE WEEK* to write and
> complain. Below are some articles.
>
> Dick Eastman's article:
>
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>
> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>
> Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about this again. She says:
>
> < USCIS — the first step that lets us know if the agency actually holds
> records about a research target — will rise from $65 to $240. And the cost
> of getting a paper record identified in that record search, such as a visa
> file, will rise from $65 to $385. So a record that, today, costs a maximum
> of $130 will cost *$625* if this rule goes into effect.
>
> And that vastly higher fee will be for records that, in many cases, should
> have already been transferred to the National Archives and so available to
> us all for much lower fees.>>
> Full article here.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/02/fight-the-fee-hikes/
>
> Then someone (Ronnie French? Elaine Mello?) posted this.
> < said:
> "I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
> release the records."
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th! >>
>
> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every couple of days
> until December 16th! All U.S. researchers need to write in!!
>
> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:30 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Madeira and Island Routes lists)
>>
>> Dick Eastman, as well as Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist) wrote about
>> the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization records. The new fees are
>> ridiculous! Over $600 total!!
>>
>> Dick Eastman's article:
>>
>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>
>> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
>> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
>> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>>
>> My cousin followed Judy's advice and emailed Reclaim the Records. She
>> said:
>> <> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
>> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
>> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
>> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
>> release the records.>>
>>
>> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
>> part of the URL). Read the information.
>>
>> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>> (I blended a couple of them together).
>>
>> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th!
>>
>> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every few days until
>> December 16th!
>>
>> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
>> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists.

The deadline to squawk about the records increase has now been moved to
Monday, Dec. 30th.

I read an article in the Washington Post. For some who want dual
citizenship, you'll need that naturalization file of your immigrant
ancestor. We've discussed dual citizenship on the Azores list before. It's
probably been discussed on the Madeira and IslandRoutes lists as well.
Maybe you're not interested in dual citizenship today. Maybe you will be in
a few years. And then you'll be paying $600 for that file.

Also, all researchers should care about the issues involved, even if your
research does not include these historical records. What can be done to one
type of record can be done to others!

1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
part of the URL). Read the information.

2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
(I blended a couple of them together).

3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 30th!

Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I totally agree that we have to try and yes, if the “noise” was loud
> enough in protest, we might have a hope.  I did specifically state that the
> records should be available for us to personally peruse.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:57 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes
>
>
>
> Thank you Sam.
>
>
>
> Once in a while, I am surprised and they DO listen. We have to TRY. If
> only those records could be scanned by NARA so we could access them!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Not that I think that they will listen to us but; I have submitted my
> comments.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:05 PM
> *To: *madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com; 
> Azores
> Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes
>
>
>
> (Cross posted: Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>
>
>
> When I was 10 years old, my immigrant ancestor, who was my
> great-grandmother, was still alive. I received a photocopy of her
> naturalization certificate for my history project for school. Pretty cool!
> She became a U.S. Citizen in 1956. Her husband was already deceased and I
> was told he didn't want to become a U.S. Citizen. Or so says the family
> story.
>
>
>
> The 1940 U.S. Federal Census tells a different story though:
>
> [image: cid:16ef5e356b2c42658f1]
>
>
>
> In the Citizenship column, it states that Manuel Mello has filed papers
> (at least as of April 1940). His wife, is still listed as an Alien.
>
>
>
> Want to know how much faith I have in the USCIS finding the CORRECT Manuel
> Mello? This much: .  Yep, that little dot. That's not much faith in them
> finding the correct Manuel Mello for the current $65 USD. And there's
> absolutely NO WAY I'd order it for $240. And that's just for them to LOOK
> for it. I'd rather look myself. I would do a much better job than the
> government employee.
>
>
>
> And what about his 2 sisters that came to America and stayed on the east
> coast? The citizenship data is missing on the 1940 on one sister. I'd love
> to scour the records myself to see if she naturalized or not. Wouldn't it
> be great to access these records ourselves?
>
>
>
> Please write to Records Not Revenue and leave a comment. It takes about 10
> minutes. We need a ton of responses whether or not you have the information
> on your immigrant ancestor or not.
>
>
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
>
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
>
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th!
>
>
>
> Thanks everybody! Cheri
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:26 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
>
>
> The fees for the Un

[AZORES-Genealogy] GedMatch has been bought out by Verogen

[Cheri Mello]

 (Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes)

GedMatch, a third party tool site for DNA, has been bought out by
Verogen,  forensic
genomics company that serves the law enforcement community. So far, nothing
has changed in their Terms of Service. One just needs to log into GedMatch
and agree to the Terms (the only new term at this time is the buy out by
Verogen).

Read Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist's, article. She does mention that
European users who don't log in and agree to the new terms (the buyout)
will have their profiles deleted a year from now. For those who feel the
use by law enforcement is an invasion of privacy, or unreasonable, or
whatever your beliefs may be, you can opt out, or delete your profile(s).
For those who feel that they are helping catch violent criminals by
allowing law enforcement to search the database, you log into GedMatch,
agree to their terms, then opt in.

Judy's article is here:
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/10/gedmatch-acquired-by-forensic-firm/

NOTE: GedMatch is NOT a DNA testing company. They are a third party tool,
not owned by any DNA testing company. They have some fancy chromosome
browsers, other ethnicity estimates, the Evil Twin tool, the Lazarus tool,
and other advanced tools (some tools are $10 USD a month to access. Pay for
one month at a time). GedMatch as tools to play with, in addition to what
the DNA vendors offer you at their own companies.

Cheri Mello

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes lists)

The fees for the United States Naturalization records are under review and
the new increase will cost us over $600! We have *ONE WEEK* to write and
complain. Below are some articles.

Dick Eastman's article:
https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/

Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/

Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about this again. She says:

<>
Full article here.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/02/fight-the-fee-hikes/

Then someone (Ronnie French? Elaine Mello?) posted this.
<https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can in
the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
release the records."

1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
part of the URL). Read the information.

2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
(I blended a couple of them together).

3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th! >>

I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every couple of days
until December 16th! All U.S. researchers need to write in!!

Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:30 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Madeira and Island Routes lists)
>
> Dick Eastman, as well as Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist) wrote about
> the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization records. The new fees are
> ridiculous! Over $600 total!!
>
> Dick Eastman's article:
>
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>
> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>
> My cousin followed Judy's advice and emailed Reclaim the Records. She said:
> < their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
> release the records.>>
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th!
>
> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every few days until
> December 16th!
>
> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

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Wow, I've never seen a divorce before!
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Maybe 'Separado' de pessoas e bens...
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019
> à(s) 23:12:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but
>> the followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro
>> de 1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»
>>
>> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:
>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have
>>> the 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
>>> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death
>>> on 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I
>>> can’t decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something
>>> of November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out
>>> what note #2 is saying?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Side note Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[Cheri Mello]

FTDNA calls the ethnicity estimates "My Origins."
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sharon and Kathy,
>
> My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
> with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
> There would have been interbreeding of course.
>
> Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
> comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
> other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.
>
>
> Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
> Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.
>
> In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
> gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
> Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
> similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
> bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
> quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
> hint by now.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> Researching
> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
> later Hawaii and California
> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sharon
>>
>> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
>> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
>> the Iberian Peninsula.
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> *
>> Sent to you from my iPhone
>> *
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
>> much.
>>
>> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
>> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
>> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
>> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
>> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
>> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
>> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
>> my ancestors.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested for Bride's Family

[Cheri Mello]

Page 2:
1)  he of the age of twenty and three ye-
2) ars, (years is hyphenanted), single, worker, son legitimate of Jose Luiz
3) already died, and of Anna da Conceicao, grandson pa-
4) ternal of Luiz de Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel,
5) and maternal of Antonio de Sousa, and Maria da
6) Conceicao dig. (for digo - basically, oops, properly, I mean to say)
Encarnacao, living on Beco
7) do Medonho  Umm, yeah, Google Translate says Hideous Alley. Hideous,
Ghastly ... I'd find another street or petition to have the street name
changed!

Continuing on line 7:
7) do Medonho, *and she* of age of twenty and one years,
8) single, living on Canada das Figueidas.

Your questions (you missed the "e ella" on line 7):
-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?) YES
-- Paternal grandDAUGHTER of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (BRIDE)
-- Maternal grandDAUGHTER of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (BRIDE)
--who else is included? A witness named Francisco Jeronimo Velho de Mello
-- Am I correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his
name is written in the priest's hand. Correct.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:19 PM Jesse Mendonca 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very complete
> family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I
> was so excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ
> surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I
> have hit a stumbling block.
>
> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
> specific place.
>
>
> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?  I
> felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
> Cabral?)
> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
> Cabral?)
> --who else is included?
>
>
> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
> written in the priest's hand.
>
> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
> lot.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
> Marriage Record
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html>
>
>
>
> Researching
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[Cheri Mello]

Sharon R,

The only Portuguese-Italians are the ones who have a parent (or
grandparent) who was Portuguese or Italian. So it's a known person from
that country. As Kathy said, the Iberian Peninsula is mainly Spain and
Portugal.  Cheri
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sharon
>
> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
> the Iberian Peninsula.
>
> Kathy
>
> *
> Sent to you from my iPhone
> *
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
> much.
>
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
> my ancestors.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry.com data

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, it was bought out by MacKiev. The website is here:
https://www.mackiev.com/ftm/
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:22 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> does the family tree maker have a website ???
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 5:17 AM Gordon soares  wrote:
>
>> I no longer use Ancestry.com as my primary genealogy program; instead I
>> use Family Tree Maker.
>> I didn’t know that all the source documents on Ancestry is considered
>> theirs and so I no longer can put that data into FTM. Cheri says she just
>> copies the data from Ancestry but I’m finding each time I try I get a
>> solicitation to rejoin Ancestry and pay. Even if successful at copying it
>> will take a lot of work to look at 17,000 entries on Ancestry and copy them
>> to FTM.
>> Does anyone have a way to get Ancestry data onto their computer and into
>> another genealogy program? I’m surprised it doesn’t happen when I do a
>> gedcom from Ancestry to FTM.
>> Gordon
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question to ponder

[Cheri Mello]

Who is Cheryl?
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:26 PM E. Sharp  wrote:

> Cheryl and others.  Here is something to ponder.I will use Cheryl as
> an example as I believe her dad was half Portuguese and her mom none.  If
> her dad is half, Cheryl would be 1/4?? Portuguese, assuming all of the
> following married non Portuguese,  if Cheryl had a child, it would be 1/8??
> Portuguese, if that child had a child it would be 1/16?? Portuguese...at
> what point would Portuguese be eliminated from showing up any DNA??
>
> Watching an interesting sort of gnome  program and wondered about this.
>
> “E”
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

I agree with what Angela said. I'm pretty sure her ? are correct as well.

Yes, Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho is in Almagreira.

2nd note: ...16 of the month and year. So he died on 16 Aug. 1975.

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I think it says:
>
> «O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo
> de solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove
> anos, solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho
> (Almagreira?), filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves.
> Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»
>
> «nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue
> marido em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with
>> the side note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19
>> years old and native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his
>> wife, Izabel de Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the
>> question marks please?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of
>> August 1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio
>> or Maria that died?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks you for your help with this,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sidenote Sam  
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Deb,

You log into your page and type Nelia's name in the search box:
[image: image.png]

I'll save you some time. Nelia did not turn up on your match list.

You can match on paper and not with DNA. Sometimes 2 individuals do not
inherit enough DNA to be reported as a match.
Hope this helps, Cheri

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her
> kit #).  If so,  it should be the Martins side of your tree.
> Deb
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM, lunamarc
>  wrote:
> Hi Nelia,
>
> I have the wrong line but now that I have narrowed it down. We are most
> likely related on my Martins/Correia/Bettencourt line.
>
> Let me know if either of these come up on your tree.
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
>
> Hi Maria,
>
> I’ve uploaded my kit to gedmatch as well.
>
> Let’s see if we match.
>
> Nelia
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:
>
> Hi Nelia,
>
> I have a good feeling about this one. I believe we are related through my
> Grandmother who still has cousins in Feitera with connections to Capelas
> based on some hints I found. I have yet to upload this cousin's info to
> Gedmatch and I'm going to do it now.
>
> Maria
>
> On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 10:54:08 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If
> you have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask
> him about your family etc and he may be able to remember something about
> your grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are
> younger which would probably mean that my father may remember them.
>
> In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nelia.
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information
> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i
> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much
> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out
> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links
> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete
> a picture of where I came from.
>
> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>
> This is what I have for names:
>
> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was
> the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of
> the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>
> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
> please share!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need a referral

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Brian M,

I was just stating the fact of how researchers for hire work. There's a
list on the Azores GenWeb. If they are busy, they may not answer you for a
month either. And there's always the possibility of your message going into
their spam folder. That's not terse, that's a fact that happens to everyone.
Good luck!


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:21 PM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I e-mailed (to the correct address) him over a
> month ago, hence the referral request for someone else.  No offense to him,
> or anything at all.  I was looking for someone, specifically, that could or
> would be able to meet.  If Joao can't, that's fine, he's not what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Unsure why your reply was terse unless I'm reading it wrong.
>
> (P.S. I know.  I speak Spanish.)
>
> On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:29:42 UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian M,
>>
>> The researcher that lives there that covers Sao Jorge and Graciosa
>> islands is Joao Ventura. He has a real job (it just happens to be working
>> in the archives for the government for whatever they assign him). He does
>> research for hire as a side job. So he does this research for hire after
>> his regular work job is finished for the day. So you won't be able to fly
>> over there and just sit down with him while he is working his regular job
>> and expect to see him doing a side job during his regular work hours. Any
>> of the researchers for hire you will pay them a fee and they do the
>> research and send you the results. It doesn't matter if you go to their
>> location or not, you will still receive your results. If you happen to fly
>> to where they are located, maybe you could try to meet up at lunch or after
>> work with them.
>>
>> Many researchers for hire can only work so many cases at a time and some
>> have a wait list. If you have contacted Joao, make sure you have put "99"
>> and not "9" by mistake.
>> her...@yahoo.com. And sometimes, life can get in the way. You did not
>> say how long it has been since you emailed Joao. Maybe he came down with
>> the flu or something. I don't know. Email him again and ask if he can take
>> your case (you need a name, date (or range) and the freguesias) and how
>> long he estimates it might be before he can get to you.
>>
>> The full list of Researchers for Hire can be found on the Azores GenWeb
>> here. You need your ancestor's name, dates (or range), and the freguesia.
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html
>>
>> (P.S. It's "Obrigado" for "thank you" in Portuguese. Gracias is Spanish).
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:17 AM Brian Margarit 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everybody,
>>>
>>> I'll be traveling to Sao Jorge and Graciosa sometime in the next year,
>>> and I'm looking for a referral for a researcher/genealogist/archiver etc
>>> that I could hire while I'm there.  I tried contacting a Joao that is
>>> recommended here but received no response.  Any help would be greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Gracias!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need a referral

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Brian M,

The researcher that lives there that covers Sao Jorge and Graciosa islands
is Joao Ventura. He has a real job (it just happens to be working in the
archives for the government for whatever they assign him). He does research
for hire as a side job. So he does this research for hire after his regular
work job is finished for the day. So you won't be able to fly over there
and just sit down with him while he is working his regular job and expect
to see him doing a side job during his regular work hours. Any of the
researchers for hire you will pay them a fee and they do the research and
send you the results. It doesn't matter if you go to their location or not,
you will still receive your results. If you happen to fly to where they are
located, maybe you could try to meet up at lunch or after work with them.

Many researchers for hire can only work so many cases at a time and some
have a wait list. If you have contacted Joao, make sure you have put "99"
and not "9" by mistake.
hero...@yahoo.com. And sometimes, life can get in the way. You did not say
how long it has been since you emailed Joao. Maybe he came down with the
flu or something. I don't know. Email him again and ask if he can take your
case (you need a name, date (or range) and the freguesias) and how long he
estimates it might be before he can get to you.

The full list of Researchers for Hire can be found on the Azores GenWeb
here. You need your ancestor's name, dates (or range), and the freguesia.
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html

(P.S. It's "Obrigado" for "thank you" in Portuguese. Gracias is Spanish).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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> Hey everybody,
>
> I'll be traveling to Sao Jorge and Graciosa sometime in the next year, and
> I'm looking for a referral for a researcher/genealogist/archiver etc that I
> could hire while I'm there.  I tried contacting a Joao that is recommended
> here but received no response.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Gracias!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's Weekend Sale (Through Dec. 3rd)

[Cheri Mello]

Sorry, typo above. Family Finder is $49 USD (+$12.95 S).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:17 AM Manny Amaral  wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Thanks so much for the feedback, its both helpful and appreciated!
>
> Regards,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Holiday Sale (through Dec. 26th)

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)

Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)'s Holiday Sale has begun and will run though
Thursday, December 26th, until 11:59 PST.

At a glance, the prices appear to be the same as the Black Friday through
Cyber Monday sale. I'm waiting for a nice chart (like last time) to post
the prices.

Any questions, feel free to ask.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Practice Portuguese (learn the language) Sale through Monday

[Cheri Mello]

Practice Portuguese is European Portuguese.

As with genealogy software, pick the one that works for you! I was just
sharing the Practice Portuguese special pricing for those who may be
interested.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Becky Mendonca  wrote:

> I have an app on my phone of "Byki Mobile" that has European Portuguese.
> It wasn't expensive at all and its lessons are structured well. I included
> a screenshot of one of the cards..
>
> Becky Medonca
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 8:32 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
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>> I too was pointed toward Duolingo from someone who used it.  I REALLY
>> like it.  It is structured in a way that works well with the way my brain
>> works.  Having said that, it's Brazilian Portuguese, which has caused me to
>> stop and look for a European Portuguese alternative.
>>
>> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 07:46:09 PM PST, lunamarc <
>> lunama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been directed to one called Duolingo. Not sure how well this
>> compares but I know it's free and does do modules also.
>>
>> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:34:35 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
>>
>> Practice Portuguese is an online learning module for European Portuguese.
>> They have lessons (learning modules) consisting of listening, writing, fill
>> in the blank, pick the picture, etc. They also have podcasts and little
>> video episodes.
>>
>> They are having a sale through Monday. It averages out to $11.50 USD per
>> month if you sign up for the one year plan:
>> https://www. practiceportuguese.com/become- a-premium-member/?p=bf_em
>> <https://www.practiceportuguese.com/become-a-premium-member/?p=bf_em>
>>
>> For those who are interested in learning the language, there are many to
>> chose from. Pick the one that you like best, just like you do with
>> genealogy software.
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's Weekend Sale (Through Dec. 3rd)

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Manny Amaral,  mfamaral002 at gmail.com
<>

RESPONSE: Hi Manny, If you are a bit paranoid about having your DNA out
there, then don't DNA test. NONE of the DNA companies can prevent law
enforcement from searching their database. NONE. They can try, but once
they are served with a search warrant, they have to comply. You can opt out
of law enforcement matching on FTDNA, however, if they receive a search
warrant for their entire database (both those that have opted in and opted
out), they are going to comply with the law. (Note: Law enforcement
searches the genealogy databases only in violent cases - murder, rape, etc.
Not for simple burglary or shoplifting. Law enforcement must show to the
court that they have tried every reasonable avenue first, before turning to
our genealogy databases. That is why the cases you are hearing about are
cold cases that are many years old).

If you are OK with the above, DNA is another tool that you can use. You can
help yourself as well as other genealogists. If you are just getting into
DNA, you would want to order the Family Finder test for $59 USD (+$12.95
S). This covers ALL your lines, back 200 years from your birth. So if you
were born in 1950, for example, you have DNA in you back to 1750. If you
have a parent alive that was born in 1930 (for example), test that parent
first, because that DNA goes back to 1730!

FTDNA also has Y-DNA tests. This traces one strict line only: Your father's
father's father's line, all the way back in time. It would be your Amaral
line (if they kept that surname). FTDNA has Y-DNA 37 or Y-DNA 111 markers.
Because this is a single line test, you most likely won't get lots of
matches right of the bat. I need one male descendant from each male family
head that ever lived in the Azores. So we are building this part of the
Project. A few people are starting to get matches, so we are moving in the
right direction.

Then there's the mitochondrial test. This also traces one strict line only:
Your mother's mother's mother's line, all the way back in time. There is
now only 1 mtDNA test: The Full Mitochondrial Sequence test. Again, because
this is a single line test, you most likely won't get lots of matches right
of the bat. I need one female descendant from each female family head that
ever lived in the Azores. So we are building this part of the Project. A
few people are starting to get matches, so we are moving in the right
direction.

Big Y: This test places you on the tree of mankind - out of Africa theory.
As more and more men test, they hope to reach beyond the paper trail. Right
now, I know of no success stories with this test - yet. We have had several
men take this test. It's definitely in a census mode, sampling men from
this island or that island. They find out that they share an common
ancestor with a man from Spain, say, 2000 years ago, for example.

NOTE: For those who have been around awhile, yes, Y-DNA 67 has been
discontinued along with the lower level mtDNA test.

Hope this helps. Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: RootsMagic (genealogy software) Holiday Deal

[Cheri Mello]

Hi, I don't use either one, although I own both (because of being a DNA
admin).

My recommendation is to download both Legacy Family Tree (Standard) and
RootsMagic (Essentials) and play around with both. Put in yourself, your
parents, your grands. Make a mistake and marry yourself to your grandparent
and see how it handles it. Have your grandparent die before they were born
and see how the program handles it. Type in really long place names (Vila
Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel island, Azores) and see how it handles it. Just
play around with them and go with the one that seems to grab you, that you
like best.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 7:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:

> Do you like Legacy better? Which do you use?
>
> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 12:20:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> RootMagic, a fully-featured genealogy software, is having their holiday
>> deal, starting today through December 24th. It's a bundle for $30 USD.
>>
>> Not sure about RootsMagic (RM)? Try their limited-featured version,
>> called Essentials here: https://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials/
>>
>> Here's the difference between the Essentials and the fully-featured RM:
>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx
>>
>> Here's screenshots, etc:
>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx
>>
>> If you like it, the holiday deal is here:
>> https://rootsmagic.com/holidayoffer/
>>
>> I don't use RootsMagic. It's not the program for me. The program for you
>> is the one you like the best. So if you are not happy with your current
>> genealogy software, take a look at RM.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

[Cheri Mello]

 Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about this again. She says:

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Full article here.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/02/fight-the-fee-hikes/

I will be quiet about this for a few days.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:08 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Thanks, Marilyn!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> I just wrote using the URL and I sent an email to my congressman telling
>> he needed to protect the rights of the people.
>> Marilyn T
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:09 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Edna. The more that write, the better!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Comcast Dave-Edna 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you  I have sent my comments .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for keeping us posted!
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I did. I went to the URL Elaine posted (yes, the question
>>>> mark is part of it):
>>>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?
>>>>
>>>> Then I opened the writing prompt tab and reworded and blended a couple
>>>> of them together:
>>>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to bug the list(s) every few days to do this.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:40 AM Elaine Mello 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
>>>>> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
>>>>> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
>>>>> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they
>>>>> can in the short term stop the increase while they work on the longterm to
>>>>> release the records.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elaine
>>>>>
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