Re: [ccp4bb] PDB secondary structure assignments

2013-07-03 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Miha, I thought the PDB actually uses DSSP. Perhaps it is a different version, there have been some new releases recently. Anyway, there is no reason why you should stick to the assignment of the PDB. If another program gives slightly different results you can use those as long as you make

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree is 20%,why still green and red density?

2013-06-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Bernhard, The formula from Tickly applies to the weighted/generalized/Hamilton free R-factor. From k-fold cross validation tests we observed that the 'regular' R-free has a standard deviation of R-free*(Nref )^-1/2 Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] R too low?

2013-06-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
HI Sue, Can you give rmsZ for the bond and angles (from the Refmac output)? I never could figure these rmsd values out... I'm guessing that the restraint are too loose, or at least not optimal. Perhaps, they went overboard with the TLS as well (sometimes fewer TLS goups give much better R and

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Herman, Tighter restraints typically close the gap between R and R-free. This does not mean one should just tighten the restraints to satisfy one's own (or a referee's) idea of what the gap should be. I don't think there is a clear target of how large or small the gap should be. If you

Re: [ccp4bb] Concerns about statistics

2013-06-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
-off in REMARK 2 or 3 lower than the maximal resolution of your reflection file, it will automatically use paired refinement to find the best resolution cut-off (yes, this is a self-plug!). HTH, Robbie Joosten -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] pdbset

2013-06-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
In Windows: findstr /b /v ANISOU input.pdb output.pdb Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:40 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] pdbset

Re: [ccp4bb] Formageddon is upon us... Important news from wwPDB! (help-4246)

2013-05-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
Rachel Kramer Green, Ph.D. RCSB PDB kra...@rcsb.rutgers.edu Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/buildmodels Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/RCSBPDB On 5/24/2013 12:41 PM, Robbie Joosten wrote: Perhaps a silly question: will old entries with SPLIT records

Re: [ccp4bb] Formageddon is upon us... Important news from wwPDB!

2013-05-24 Thread Robbie Joosten
Perhaps a silly question: will old entries with SPLIT records be superseded by consolidated entries? And what about entries split for other reasons than size (there are only a few of those, and they are old)? Cheers, Robbie Van: Gerard DVD Kleywegt Verzonden:

Re: [ccp4bb] LINK or LINKR

2013-04-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Eleanor, The recent versions of Refmac work well with the records in PDB format. According to the list of bug fixes on the website, Refmac should now take the distance from the PDB file (it used to complain about the distance record). Changing the 1.48 to 1.61 in the new LINK record should

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Patrick, Did you try using a different refinement program (e.g. Refmac)? Which type of NCS restraints did you use, global or local (torsion- or distance-based)? Have you tried optimizing your restraint weights? Have you tried running a huge number of refinement cycles? You can also try running

Re: [ccp4bb] Alternate sugar conformations in refmac 5.5.0110

2013-04-18 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Markus, You could try changing your Refmac version. The version you are using is ancient. You may have an old version in your PATH next to the new one because your CCP4 seems up to date. AFAICT there is nothing wrong with the LINKR or the HETATM records Sent from my Windows Phone

Re: [ccp4bb] Angle restraints

2013-04-15 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Kavya, Which validation program did you use? How big is the deviation (in sigma values)? Is it the only outlier? What is your overall bond angle rmsZ? Using external restraints is a bit over the top here, especially if it is the only outlier. If your rmsZ is high (close to or over 1) then

Re: [ccp4bb] Angle restraints

2013-04-15 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Kavya, First try Herman's suggestions. You can try changing the restraint weight but it will probably not solve the problem; it may hide it. If you cannot solve the problem and you did the best you can do, you can deposit the model with the outlier. The PDB does not reject models with

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-14 Thread Robbie Joosten
, 2013 23:03 BST Robbie Joosten wrote: Hi Martyn, A shame then that these 'helpful' annotators did not make use of Pavel's basic sanity on the space group (*mentioned below) and check back to the one listed in the uploaded PDB file. As far as I know, EDS is run on all new depositions at PDBe

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
is not twice as large as published one would entirely suffice -:) Pavel From: Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 22:57 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure Waters are moved during

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
Waters are moved during annotation using the perceived space group's symmetry operation. So if the authors give the wrong space group, then the annotation pipeline understandably messes things up. If the originally uploaded PDB file was kept by PDBe, then the problem can be recovered quite easily

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree reflections

2013-03-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Tim, I don't think the 5-10% or 500-1000 reflections are real rules, but rather practical choices. The error margin in R-free is inverse proportional with the number of reflections in your test set and also proportional with R-free itself. So for R-free to be 'significant' you need some

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree reflections

2013-03-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
anymore in favour of R_meas... Cheers, Tim On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:24:51AM +0100, Robbie Joosten wrote: Hi Tim, I don't think the 5-10% or 500-1000 reflections are real rules, but rather practical choices. The error margin in R-free is inverse proportional with the number

Re: [ccp4bb] Query regarding the use of anisotropic temperature factor and ideal rmsAngle and rmsBond length values

2013-03-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Sonali, There is no such thing as an ideal rmsd for bonds and angles given resolution. IMO you should use rmsZ which also doesn't have an ideal value. If its below 1 your good. As for the isotropic vs anisotropic, you can use a hamilton test if you do two refinements changing only the

Re: [ccp4bb] Query regarding the use of anisotropic temperature factor and ideal rmsAngle and rmsBond length values

2013-03-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
Small addition to Ian's comment. The value you give with 'weight auto $value' is a starting value. Refmac will gradually change it if needed (it's autoweighting after all) and your starting value does matter somewhat. Based on Ian's advice PDB_REDO uses a starting value of 2.50 which seems to

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-14 Thread Robbie Joosten
Btw, the book is good reading. Best, BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Robbie Joosten Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:03 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Srinivasan, Although the Twilight program can only look at deposited PDB entries, the tips about ligand validation in the paper are very useful. I suggest you start from there. You can use EDSTATS in CCP4 to get real-space validation scores. Also look at the difference map metrics it gives

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree flag

2013-02-28 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Tim, Our approach is a bit different. We first try to establish whether the R-free set is biased, by checking whether R-free is surprisingly low compared to R given the data parameter ratio. If this is the case (or if we chose a new R-free set for some reason, e.g. because it was too small)

Re: [ccp4bb] Building sugars

2013-02-21 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Folmer, Just to add some tips: Concerning the naming as one molecule: the sugar monomers get the same chain ID as the protein they are connected to and arbitrary residue numbers. I usually start numbering from 1000 to prevent overlap with the numbering of the amino acids. 1) Just don't

Re: [ccp4bb] Building sugars

2013-02-21 Thread Robbie Joosten
;-) The glycosciences.de link is really useful. There does not seem to be a test to verify correct PDB nomenclature though. Or perhaps RAF (for raffinose, a tri- saccharide) is OK to use? Best regards, Folmer 2013/2/21 Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com Hi Folmer

Re: [ccp4bb] Link problem with Refmac.

2013-02-18 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ian, The warning refers to a MET 59 in chain A whereas you only have MET 72. That is very suspicious. Non-sequential residues further apart than x Angstrom automatically get a gap record. Have you tried a newer version of Refmac, because this feature was added quite a while ago? What is your

Re: [ccp4bb] Link problem with Refmac.

2013-02-18 Thread Robbie Joosten
renumber any LINK, SSBOND CISPEP records as I do) so it would have the same problem. Cheers -- Ian On 18 February 2013 17:09, Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Ian, The warning refers to a MET 59 in chain A whereas you only have MET 72

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 MMA bug

2013-02-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, This is a 'compatability' option in Refmac that internally renames atoms. If you comment out 'MMA .C7 CM' in your mon_lib_list.cif file, the problem will disappear. Cheers, Robbie Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:35:25 -0500 From: epozh...@umaryland.edu Subject:

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 MMA bug

2013-02-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 09:56 +0100, Robbie Joosten wrote: This is a 'compatability' option in Refmac that internally renames atoms. If you comment out 'MMA .C7 CM' in your mon_lib_list.cif file, the problem will disappear. Robbie, thanks a lot - this fixes

Re: [ccp4bb] generating electron density from PDB and structure factor file

2013-02-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Just to add some more possibilities: - You can download maps from EDS or models and maps from PDB_REDO straight into CCP4mg. - You can download PDB_REDO maps and models into PyMOL using this plugin (http://www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo/pymol.html) for which we should thank Ed Pozharski. Note that

Re: [ccp4bb] RMSD Citation

2013-01-30 Thread Robbie Joosten
Note that we discuss rmsZ values in the paper, not rmsd. This is done on purpose; rmsd values do not take the standard deviation of bond lengths into account. This makes it needlessly difficult to compare values. Consider reporting rmsZ instead of rmsd. Cheers, Robbie Sent from my Windows

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: DSSP

2013-01-28 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Nat, DSSP recently went open source with a very liberal license. So you can consider using the real DSSP now. This may also be the moment to integrate DSSP in CCP4. Cheers, Robbie Sent from my Windows Phone From: Nat Echols Sent: 2013-01-28 17:32 To:

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] off topic: DSSP

2013-01-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
of running 10.5 to test this. If it doesn't work, please send me the output so I can try to infer the required extra changes. best regards, -maarten Van: Robbie Joosten [robbie_joos...@hotmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 26 januari 2013 10:16 Aan: Maarten Hekkelman

Re: [ccp4bb] freerflag bug

2013-01-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, I've had this problem as well. It's the result of the very small R-free set fraction. There is an error routine that catches really small R-free sets, but 0.5% gets through and triggers ar problem. My workaround is to just use a larger R-free set fraction (more than 1%). The version number

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 vs phenix refine mixed up

2013-01-25 Thread Robbie Joosten
I noticed that Refmac has done the 1vs0 thing correct for ages, which is very useful because mix-ups between the work set and test set used to be quite common in the reflection files at the pdb (Refmac saved me a lot of extra work with this). Dealing with this problem is very simple as the

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factors

2013-01-24 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Urmi, The way you switched from Phenix to Refmac may not have resulted in the flat B-factor model in Ethan's paper. You should really do a thorough test in which you reset the B-factors before you start refinement. Shameless plug: PDB_REDO will do this automatically and has a few fallback

Re: [ccp4bb] Hi clashscore

2013-01-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Supratim, The clashscore gives the relative number of clashes, not their severity. This makes it difficult to see what your specific problem is. Sever clashes (with large overlaps) are usually the result of errors in your model and need individual attention. Light bumps can usually be solved

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Douglas, Using two Table Is is a good way to show the difference between the two cut-offs, but I assume you will only discuss one of the models in your paper. IMO you only need to deposit the high res model, so there should be no problems with resolution conflicts in the PDB file. The

Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset

2012-12-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ian, It's easy to forget about LINK records and such when dealing with the coordinates (I recently had to fix a bug in my own code for that). The problem with insertion codes is that they are very poorly defined in the PDB standard. Does 128A come before or after 128? There is no strict rule

Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset

2012-12-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
. In practice, as Ed pointed out, it is a big mess. Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: Ian Tickle [mailto:ianj...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 17:26 To: Robbie Joosten Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset I had always assumed

Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset

2012-12-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
, 2012-12-05 at 17:02 +0100, Robbie Joosten wrote: Hi Ian, It's easy to forget about LINK records and such when dealing with the coordinates (I recently had to fix a bug in my own code for that). The problem with insertion codes is that they are very poorly defined in the PDB standard

Re: [ccp4bb] how many cycles to settle B-factor?

2012-11-20 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Jim, The speed at which the B-factor converges depends on many factors. The B-factor restraint weight that Herman and I mentioned (the one you should optimise before changing occupancies!) is an important factor. Also the position of your atomic coordinates WRT where they should end up is

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-19 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Grant, This is part of the recurring side chain discussion. There is no consensus in the community about what the optimal approach is. In your current approach you are adding a model parameter (occupancy) to improve the fit with the experimental data (remove negative difference density).

Re: [ccp4bb] Convention on residue numbering of fusion proteins?

2012-10-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Meindert, The PDB will let you do what you want and as a result there are a few PDB entries with crazy residue numbering. I would use insertion codes only for real insertions or engineered linkers. Like Nat said, they are a nightmare for many programmers which is why they are poorly supported

Re: [ccp4bb] anisotropic refinement

2012-10-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
is an underestimate because the B-factor model used wasn't stored properly for the older entries. If more accurate numbers are needed, they can be mined from the PDB_REDO databank. HTH, Robbie Joosten Netherlands Cancer Institute www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:17:39 -0700 From

Re: [ccp4bb] ideal rms bond length

2012-10-02 Thread Robbie Joosten
that. Shameless plug: PDB_REDO has such an automated procedure. HTH, Robbie Joosten Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 03:19:48 +0530 From: faisaltari...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] ideal rms bond length To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all i request you to please answer my basic query about the ideal

Re: [ccp4bb] B-iso vs. B-aniso

2012-09-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
to PDB_REDO's strict criteria anisotropic B-factors are acceptable in two thirds of the cases. This was tested with Refmac on 285 PDB entries; ShelX's new restraints may well increase the success rate. HTH, Robbie Joosten Netherlands Cancer Institute www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo -Original Message

Re: [ccp4bb] compatibility issue between coot and refmac

2012-08-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Norman, Refmac version 5.0 sounds unlikely, the version with CCP4 6.3 is 5.7.0029. Anyway, your DNA seems to have asterisks in the atom names, which is 'so last decade' (they were removed in 2008). Refmac and Coot may not be equally forgiving for legacy formats. IMO neither should be. The

Re: [ccp4bb] protein sequence database with conservation score annotation

2012-08-22 Thread Robbie Joosten
maintainers because I’ m not sure this service is public yet. You can also cheat a bit and just get the HSSP for the closest homologue in the PDB. HTH, Robbie Joosten Netherlands Cancer Institute From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Wednesday

Re: [ccp4bb] large difference between r rfree during refinement

2012-07-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Faisal, It looks like your restraints are simply not tight enough. Try optimizing the restraint weight. You should also run more cycles of refinement to make sure it converges. The initial gap between R and R-free is pretty small. Did you do much refinement before this run? Cheers,

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Robbie Joosten Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:16 a.m. To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4 Hi Ian, @Ian: You'd be surprised how well Refmac can flatten sulfates if you have

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
...@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 14:09 To: Robbie Joosten Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4 Dear Robbie and ccp4bb, Is 1N1 not a different type of problem though, where a chirality restraint is valid and so the atom labelling

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Joel, I prefer the swapping of atom names, which is pretty much what the program chiron does, over hacking the restraint file. The latter makes the problem reappear as soon as you use your PDB file on a machine with an 'unhacked' restraint file. @Ian: You'd be surprised how well Refmac

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ian, @Ian: You'd be surprised how well Refmac can flatten sulfates if you have a chiral volume outlier (see Figure 1d in Acta Cryst. D68: 484-496 (2012)). But this is only because the 'negative' volume sign was erroneously used in the chiral restraint instead of 'both' (or better

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems with CCP4MG

2012-07-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Regina, Re. 2) Which program gave the virus warning? Internet Explorer warns about executable files that are not downloaded frequently. This warning can usually be ignored (I got a similar warning for a nightly build of Coot yesterday). If your antivirus program gives a warning I'd be

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb sequence search

2012-06-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, If you are looking for a specific protein, why not get all PDB files with a DBREF record pointing at the uniprot record of the protein you want? You can do a simple text search in the PDB, e.g. 'MYG_PHYCA'. Cheers,Robbie Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:39:12 -0400 From:

Re: [ccp4bb] correlations of B-factors and resolution

2012-05-16 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Tim, With small test sets, R-free doesn't become meaningless you just have to take into account that R-free has an error margin which is higher than for cases with a large test set. Few people report this error margin, but with a small data set you can easily do K-fold cross validation.

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand geometry

2012-04-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Uma, How different are your NADs optimised in Refmac and Coot? Are you sure you are using the same geometric restraints? Coot has to know where Refmac's restraint files are. This info is passed through an environment setting on your computer (I don't know the name by hart. Anyone?). Are you

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand geometry

2012-04-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
Quasi on-topic rant: I would advice against using the 'both' option for any well defined ligand. It's a hack to avoid thinking about which atom belongs where and it allows you to be inconsistent. This makes it difficult for others to use your model, because aligning atoms of ligands becomes

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac and sigma value

2012-04-27 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Uma, The optimal weight is indeed resolution dependent, but hard to predict. In Refmac you can follow LLfree when you optimize the restraint weight and also keep an eye on the gap between R and R-free (it should not be too wide). Like Rob said, your geometry should be 'reasonable'. This

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-01 Thread Robbie Joosten
available at http://www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo/others/3k78.tar.bz2 Our apologies to those who have looked for this entry in vain. Best wishes, Robbie Joosten (on behalf of the PDB_REDO team) Biochemistry Netherlands Cancer Institute P.S. The whole fraud thing seems to have interfered with the annual

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Everyone, Pavel’s statement is likely a bit of an exaggeration, but he has a valid (yet hard to prove point). The default in CCP4i was (and is?) to use hydrogens only if present in the input file. This is IMO not a safe default. Because there were some reporting errors in the past

Re: [ccp4bb] on Rwork and Rfree

2012-02-07 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Dialing, Most water picking tools are rather overenthusiastic and end up placing some waters at places where they should not be. This causes some overfitting and an increase of R-free. I'm hideously old-fashioned and recommend conservatively building waters by hand. There are some good

Re: [ccp4bb] reliable/unreliable maps?

2012-01-10 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Frank, EDS already does that. Even so, reproducing the R-factor does not prove that the map is reliable. See for instance 3frk for which the deposited dataset is much smaller and less complete than the one used for refinement. The map from EDS is therefore completely model biased. I only

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Phil, It is annoying problem especially for Phe and Tyr which have standard rotamers close to the critical chi angles (-90 and +90). Asp and Glu do not have standard rotamers near critical angles, so the problem should be much smaller (but I still get them too often). If Val, Leu and Arg

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
(and it is if it is not and is merely an issue of nomenclature (as I suspect is the case)). So the question is, if the problem is indeed one of nomenclature, what software (if any) described it as a chirality issue? If it is one of ours we should fix that. Paul On 05/01/12 11:44, Robbie Joosten

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Afshan, Just swap the (names of) the CD and CG atoms, no need for refinement. The CCP4 dictionary allows both chiralities for LEU and VAL, so Refmac won't detect the problem. The problem is still very real to many programs so it should be fixed. Cheers, Robbie Joosten Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012

Re: [ccp4bb] How to assess geometry in a model?

2011-12-08 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Matt, WHAT_CHECK writes out a file called check.db that contains per-residue scores for several quality metrics. It is fairly easy to parse. Cheers, Robbie Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:08:45 -0500 From: mattw...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] How to assess geometry in a model? To:

Re: [ccp4bb] How to distinguish between Na+ and Mg2+?

2011-12-01 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Florian, There are quite a few tools that do this check for you. To name a few: WASP (old but good, build the ion as water), WHAT_CHECK (http://swift.cmbi.ru.nl/servers/html/index.html), Check My Metal and probably quite a few others. All of them use the bond valence sum, but they all have a

Re: [ccp4bb] FreeR in the case of few reflections

2011-11-18 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Aaron, You don't explain why you have so few reflections. Is it a small cell, low resolution or just really bad data? Assuming it's not the last one and your data is reasonably complete, I would try this: - Divide your reflections into six groups (and check that these groups

Re: [ccp4bb] weight matrix and R-FreeR gap optimization

2011-11-08 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi James, That is not exactly a lot of info to decide the best weight. The optimal weight is (very loosely) resolution dependent. At normal resolutions the optimal matrix weight is usually well below 1.0. Start at 0.3 and try a few weights to see what works best for your data. To close the

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac 5.6 ccp4 6.2.0

2011-10-28 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Kenneth, This looks like an off-by-one bug in the restraint generation. Typical sources are weird LINKs, wrong atom names and bad luck. I suggest you make sure you have the very latest Refmac and dictionary and try setting up a new refinement instead of recycling an old job. If that doesn't

Re: [ccp4bb] raw data deposition

2011-10-28 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Francis, Even though they are not published, there are enough models in the PDB for which reevaluation of the crystallographic data leads to new biological insight. Unfortunately, a lot of the insight is of the type that ligand doesn't really bind, or at least not in that pose. Another nice

Re: [ccp4bb] should the final model be refined against full datset

2011-10-14 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, This is a follow up (or a digression) to James comparing test set to missing reflections. I also heard this issue mentioned before but was always too lazy to actually pursue it. So. The role of the test set is to prevent overfitting. Let's say I have the final model and I

Re: [ccp4bb] Superpose, SSM

2011-09-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
One would assume that Windows software would read DOS/Windows type text files... Open the file in Wordpad. Unlike Notepad, it is able to work with Windows and Unix type text files. If you edit something and save the file, it will be in Windows style. If Superpose stops on that, it should

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Protein Chemistry (?), When R and R-free drift off you are probably refining with suboptimal weights. If anything, it proves you still have work to do. At convergence R and R-free do not really change anymore so neither does the difference. If you have already done a lot of rebuilding and

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Dale, The data looks fine but the refinement for 3kj5, 2qns's 'improved' model, is still pretty poor. Looking at the EDS maps for this entry there is some (model bias) density for the ligand but, it is clearly not there. The PDB_REDO optimization

Re: [ccp4bb] **Possible spam**How to convert CNS PDB format to the most current version of the PDB format?

2011-08-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Li(?), The MolProbity server fixes the atom naming before the actual validation. You can use that. The ATOM/HETATM conversion is not needed, the PDB will do that for you when you deposit your structure model. If you really need it now, I guess it's easy enough to do with you favourite

Re: [ccp4bb] Sodium ion vs. Water

2011-08-03 Thread Robbie Joosten
- The link from that page is dead...and an inquiry to the webmaster bounced. Anyone know where WASP is now? Thanks Christina Oklahoma State University From: Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, August 2

Re: [ccp4bb] Sodium ion vs. Water

2011-08-02 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Young-Jin, If you model it as water, you can use WASP. It's an old program but still accesible here: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/rama_server.pl Cheers, Robbie Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:24:09 -0400 From: yj...@brandeis.edu Subject:

Re: [ccp4bb] research paper

2011-07-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
Jung-Hoon, This is a so-called WaReZ request, which could get you banned a lot of webfora. Of course, we are all guilty of it at some occasions. The best way to get an article is to ask the authors, they are allowed give away free copies (depending on the journal I guess). Hooray, for authors

Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Kim and Kevin, Even then you can have chirality inversions during real-space refinement, which would destroy the SWEET input model from. There is no substitute for common sense (and validation) here. That said, Kevin, something to autobuild carbohydrates (given a sequence) would be

Re: [ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA?

2011-07-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Brittney, DNA is pretty standard so the restraints should be in the dictionary. Perhaps the DNA in your model has non-standard residue names (PDBv2). Are your bases called DT, DA, etc? Do your atom names have * or '? Cheers, Robbie Date: Tue, 26

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual sighting of a crystal structure

2011-07-16 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Artem, Thank for that nice example of a protein structure used to pimp a movie. Ribbon representations are always the scariest. Cheers, Robbie Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:57:21 -0500 From: artem.evdoki...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] unusual sighting of a crystal structure To:

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, I was recently looking for that value myself, but couldn't find it. I suppose (at some point) it may be useful information to deposit. If something is a mean value, it is nice to know how many individual values were used to construct that mean. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be

Re: [ccp4bb] large R-Rfree difference in final structure

2011-07-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Careina, Assuming you don't suffer from a very poor data parameter ratio that would lead to such a large R-free/R, you need to improve your refinement. If you have NCS you should use local NCS restraints. You could also try jelly-body restraints, although they may not work at your

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-10 Thread Robbie Joosten
function in refmac5.6? 2011/7/9 Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.commailto:robbie_joos...@hotmail.com Dear Qixu, refamac 5.6 works well at these resolutions. You can add commands to your refinement in CCP4i by using the 'Run and view command script' (or something like

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Qixu, refamac 5.6 works well at these resolutions. You can add commands to your refinement in CCP4i by using the 'Run and view command script' (or something like that) option and just typing in the extra commands. Jelly-body has worked very well for me (although I use tigheter

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement To: robbie_joos...@hotmail.com CC: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Hi, Thank you for your suggestion. Could you tell me what is riding hydrogens? And it seems there is not reference model function in refmac5.6? 2011/7/9 Robbie Joosten

Re: [ccp4bb] Waters in ADIT

2011-06-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Petr, Did you try WHAT_CHECK? It has a number of tests for water and will take indirect interactions with the macromolecule into account. Cheers, Robbie Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:01:45 +0200 From: arnaud.goepf...@unibas.ch Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Waters in ADIT To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Re: [ccp4bb] Help! low resolution protein-DNA complex

2011-06-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
are must-use tools for that. Coot also has many usefull features for validation. Good luck. Cheers,Robbie Joosten

Re: [ccp4bb] Follow-up: non-waters among structured solvent atoms

2011-06-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
For the record:-UNK is for unknown residues only. That means that you know that you are looking at an amino acid you just don't know which. You should assign element types. It used to be defined to CB (just like ALA), it now goes to CG. I don't see the point of this update.-UNL is for unknown

Re: [ccp4bb] non-waters among structured solvent atoms

2011-06-14 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Wolfram, This was an early study on the subject: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8594192 The software is still accessible via the STAN server. Cheers, Robbie Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:51:21 -0400 From: wtem...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] non-waters among structured solvent atoms

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac problem with anisotropic Us

2011-06-10 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ethan, I also reset the temperature factors to 20 at the beginning of each refinement round. The refinement resolution is 75 to 1.8 A, and the space group is C2, if it matters. I am virtually certain that refinement of individual anisotropic U^ij terms cannot be justified at 1.8A.

Re: [ccp4bb] Zotero style

2011-05-05 Thread Robbie Joosten
Macromolecular Structure Group Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics University of California, San Francisco On 2011-05-04 05:32, Robbie Joosten wrote: Hi Darren, Thank you for the link. It may be a usefull tool. Unfortunately, the site was buggy in IE9. It worked much better in FF4

Re: [ccp4bb] Insertion codes

2011-05-04 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Ed, Personally I don't care one way or the other, but it may be pointed out that if D25 is actually number 37 in a homologous protein, it should be D37. Just as acknowledgement of the (somewhat purist) point of view that the residue number should denote its linear distance from the

[ccp4bb] Zotero style

2011-05-04 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Everyone, Does anyone have a Zotery style template for Acta Cryst and the like, (s)he wishes to share? I cannot find it in the repository, but perhaps someone has made one for private use. Cheers, Robbie Joosten Biochemistry Netherlands Cancer Institute

Re: [ccp4bb] Zotero style

2011-05-04 Thread Robbie Joosten
used. Cheers -- Ian On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone have a Zotery style template for Acta Cryst and the like, (s)he wishes to share? I cannot find it in the repository, but perhaps someone has made one

Re: [ccp4bb] Zotero style

2011-05-04 Thread Robbie Joosten
: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk You can use this http://www.somwhere.org/csl/ to build your style. Darren On 4 May 2011 09:05, Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone have a Zotery style template for Acta Cryst and the like, (s)he wishes to share? I cannot find

Re: [ccp4bb] anisotropy vs TLS

2011-04-07 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Kenneth, IMO there is no resolution cut-off to decide to go from TLS to individual anisotropic Bs. I use the number of reflections per atom. You are refining 9 parameters per atom so you need quite a lot. When I have18 ref/atom I switch to anisotropic. I try both isotropic and anisotropic

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