Stus-List Re: Water in the oil

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

You can save the old one and have it pressure tested to confirm diagnosis, if 
good you can have it boiled out for next time.  Any radiator shop should do.

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From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 10:42:04 AM
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Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Water in the oil

Here is an update on my water\oil issue. As the oil cooler is raw water cooled, 
and the oil lines are attached via banjo fittings. Testing was next to 
impossible here. I opted to replace the cooler. I'm not 100% sure it was the 
cooler, and not severe condensation, but I feel good about the repair.
I will say it took less time to reassemble than it did to tear it apart. I 
reassembled in the morning, as per the coarse of things. It was hot and muggy 
in the morning, 15 minutes after I finished the temp dropped 10 degrees and a 
light breeze along with cloud cover came along. Go figure. Lol.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Re: Sloppy Rudder post removal

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I had a nasty shimmy with my tiller rudder.  I had a diver inspect it.  Turned 
out there was a multi arm starfish attached.  Note.  You should check the 
lubrication as well.  I removed the cup cover and added a zerk fitting to it.  
Big improvement.

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Subject: Stus-List Sloppy Rudder post removal

Inquiring for a buddy who has a 1979 C mkii

His Rudder post is sloppy and we're dropping it out today. Has anyone done 
this?  Does anyone have fabrication knowledge, drawings, part suppliers, 
suggestions to fix, etc?


Paul Hood
416.799.5549
C Refuge - Georgian Bay

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Stus-List Re: Donations

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I sent $25 paypal

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Stus-List Re: Water in the oil

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Yes.  Good possibility, my boat is in Loreto/ Puerto Escondido.  I was in San 
Carlos a few years ago.  Fun town.

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From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:27:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Water in the oil

There was enough water to turn the oil to chocolate milk. Could be 
condensation, there was a couple of nasty storms that came through here this 
summer. I'm in San Carlos MX. in the desert. Didn't have this problem last 
year. I'm kinda thinking it might be the lube oil cooler.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, 11:32 Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
How much water?  A little could be condensation...

Cheers,
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   Muir Caileag
   C 30 - 549
   Armdale Y.C.

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> I have a Yanmar 4JHE in my boat. After 4 months sitting on the hard, I
> have water in the oil.Does anyone know where the most likely place for
> leaking is?
> When I put her away last spring, I had flushed the engine and let the
> hoses drain.
> I'm at a loss here.
>
> Douglas Mountjoy
> 1988 LF 39
> Mexico at large
> 1984 Sabre 34
> Port Orchard, WA
>
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Stus-List Re: Water in the oil

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How  much water?  Some condensation is possible but not much.

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Water in the oil

I have a Yanmar 4JHE in my boat. After 4 months sitting on the hard, I have 
water in the oil.Does anyone know where the most likely place for leaking is?
When I put her away last spring, I had flushed the engine and let the hoses 
drain.
I'm at a loss here.
Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have a heavy duty bladder in my 34 C located under starboard bench seat.  
Works good. Connected to port side has a nylon tank.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank




I am thinking about a bladder. The tank is enough of a mess that I am not sure 
I want to deal with it.

Has anyone had good luck with the Plastimo tanks?



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Stus-List Re: Strange pipe

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Possible cable trace for instruments, engine monitors sent to nav station?

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From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 8:59:54 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Strange pipe

So I was working on my boat today checking the thru hulls. And found a 3in dia 
3 FT long piece of PVC pipe under and otbd ov the aft head sink. I looks like 
it was factory installed. One end is plugged with a flush teak plug. The open 
end went through the bulkhead into the space below the nav table.
Maybe someone here has a clue, because I don't.
I'm getting ready to splash for the winter here.
Thanks


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Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Re: Wet Vac

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Agree re wet vac.  Best tool for removing fouled bilge water if you have a 
crankcase oil spill. Just remember to remove the filter when you use as a wet 
vac.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:56:45 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Wet Vac

I think I've stated before that my all-time favorite tool out of all my battery 
tools and corded tools is a small corded wet/vac.  It has a small, all plastic 
tank and large and strong motor.  I took off the castors and glued a piece of 
carpet to the bottom, so it dosn't scratch the varnished sole, or the paint on 
deck.  I think it has a five gallon tank and a 5hp motor and an 18 ft long 1 
1/2" hose, so it can really reach everywhere in the boat.  I keep it in a dock 
box and use it all the time and lend it out to others.  I'd love to have it 
mounted aboard, but my boat is just too small.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I recommend you size your inverter at 2x anticipated load.  Also, if you use a 
lithium battery the internal BMS output may limit draw.  My 200 ah lithium has 
a 100 ah limiter, do max output of inverter 100x 12 = 1,200 watts.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 3:31:05 PM
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Cc: 'CHARLES SCHEAFFER' ; j...@dellabarba.com 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter


Inverters are sized to the expected loads.

Batteries are sized to how long you want to run those loads.

Example: My wife’s hair dryer on 500 watts is drawing about 50 amps. If she ran 
it for an hour that would be 50 amp/hours, which would be all you can use out 
of a 100AH battery. Thanks to Peukert’s equation, with lead acid batteries it 
is a little worse than that. (heavy loads draw them down faster than the 
formula, light loads a little less than the formula)

As for the switches, I don’t know how your boat is wired. My inverter runs off 
the house bank with its own switch.

BTW – your math is a bit off. A 100 amp hour battery can probably supply around 
500 amps or more, which is 6,000 watts. It can’t do it for very long though, 
but long enough to start an engine. Amps, amp-hours, watt-hours, and so on can 
get confusing.

I’ll post how to figure this out when I get a chance.

Joe



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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 4:03 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Sizing an inverter



OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive



I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.

What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries?

One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?



Thanks,

Chuck S




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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I recommend a SS percolater., about $35 on Amazon.  Order the basket filters 
from Melita.  A good SS thermos will keep coffee warm but it is also easy to 
reheat.  Starbucks sells Via, quality single use instant packets about $1 each.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:43:28 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

For me, coffee is a personal taste you get used to.
The french press flavor, is great, but too much to clean up for me.  (I'll have 
to check the newer model press suggested by Josh.)  I keep a $12) 12 cup 
electric Mr Coffee on the boat for when we have shorepower.  Bought during my 
refit while on the hard, I've had it for four years now.  For off grid, we boil 
water on the propane stove and use instant coffee.  There are some pretty good 
instant coffee's available now, but you have to try a few to find one you like. 
 We prefer the packets from Nescafe.  There are several blends.  It's great to 
boil water in the kettle and then have choices of coffee, tea, or hot chocolate.

I'm considering a stainless coffee perculator I can sit on the stovetop and 
brew 8 or 9 cups.  That would make four mugs of coffee and could be reheated in 
the same container.   I'd also like to have is a good carafe to keep it hot 
longer while underway.

Chuck S
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Stus-List Re: winter storage

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I keep my boat in Ketchikan Alaska all winter with a dehumidifier running.  I 
remive the foresail and store in the cabin, cover main.   I have not adjusted 
rigging.  I'm interested in seeing replys to this topic.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:45:04 AM
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Subject: Stus-List winter storage

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter?

Bob Mann
Mystic
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I also have a stove top espresso maker.  $35 on Amazon.  Starbucks Verona roast 
works well or for esspresso.

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From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:41:44 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

I also use stove top perc.  Love the smell of coffee brewing in the am.  I use 
a big hand grinder/mill so it only takes a few moments to
grind a batch.  Beans come from beanville (Halifax, NS) usually as they are 
handy and the people there are great.

I've only had one problem with the stove top percone of the crew threw the 
basket overboard in an over zealous cleaning moment.

I've been thinking of getting an espresso type...but the perc works good enough 
for me and crew has never complained...

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-10-18 10:35, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote:
I use a stove top percolator with a disc filter at the bottom of the basket.  
It heats the cabin nicely in the am.  I use a variety of beans.  One of the 
best is Vita coffee, a Seattle roaster.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat


I use Rise Up beans from a local roaster in Easton, a Bosch electric grinder, 
and a French press.

Joe

Coquina



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: best coffee making setup on a boat





I agree with Chuck, this is a great conversation and deserves its own heading 
and link! I've learned more about coffee here than I ever knew...we use a 
Walmart 4 cup electric drip coffee maker, and thought we were being cool! Ha!



Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584



Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255





On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 05:39:17 PM EDT, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great 
coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can 
find them.



Chuck S



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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I use a stove top percolator with a disc filter at the bottom of the basket.  
It heats the cabin nicely in the am.  I use a variety of beans.  One of the 
best is Vita coffee, a Seattle roaster.

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From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:11:17 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Della Barba, Joe 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat


I use Rise Up beans from a local roaster in Easton, a Bosch electric grinder, 
and a French press.

Joe

Coquina



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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 8:59 AM
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Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: best coffee making setup on a boat





I agree with Chuck, this is a great conversation and deserves its own heading 
and link! I've learned more about coffee here than I ever knew...we use a 
Walmart 4 cup electric drip coffee maker, and thought we were being cool! Ha!



Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584



Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255





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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great 
coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can 
find them.



Chuck S



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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

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I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed for 
coffee grinder.

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
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Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system


Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina



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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system



And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

And percolators (my fave) or stove top espresso makers, both make excellent 
coffee.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system


Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina



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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system



And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter.

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:19:04 PM
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Cc: j...@dellabarba.com ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

I appreciate the feedback.

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc.

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options.

Chuck S


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wrote:



We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

  1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
  2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of just 
for a TV.







Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system



There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.



Marek



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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system



I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system



Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels.



Anybody have experience with these devices?



Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Also need a controller.  Recommend Victron, $250$

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:46:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Kevin Wright ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

Exploring Korbey's suggestion:
a Blue Sea 3 way 120v 30amp switch = $160.
A 2000 watt inverter costs $200,
two 200watt solar panels cost $400
Mounting panels cost
Wiring to go between these cost $100
Battleborn Lithium battery cost  $925

Total cost $1785



On 10/16/2023 5:00 PM EDT Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
wrote:


No experience, but easy to replace your 3 way AC switch with a 4 way Blue Sea, 
4th position for inverter.  Add solar system and 200camp lithium battery.

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From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:12:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Kevin Wright 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

Hi Jo,
I would agree if it's just for TV. We run everything. Laptops, Keurig, fridge, 
ice maker, TV, fire stick, starlink ect. from our box.
100% worth the money for us.
Kevin

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 3:11 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system



Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels.



Anybody have experience with these devices?



Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

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No experience, but easy to replace your 3 way AC switch with a 4 way Blue Sea, 
4th position for inverter.  Add solar system and 200camp lithium battery.

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From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:12:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Kevin Wright 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

Hi Jo,
I would agree if it's just for TV. We run everything. Laptops, Keurig, fridge, 
ice maker, TV, fire stick, starlink ect. from our box.
100% worth the money for us.
Kevin


On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 3:11 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system



Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels.



Anybody have experience with these devices?



Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis

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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

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You will need to step the mast.

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From: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:16:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis 
Subject: Stus-List Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.

Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.

So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat.

The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering?


All comments, stories and discussion welcome!


Karl and Doris Kuzis
Firefly, C 29 Mk1
karl.ku...@gmail.com
Cell (360) 606-2099
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

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Agree re Alexseal.  I saw a boat recently that owner painted with a brush using 
Alexseal.  Beautiful.

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From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 7:40:29 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting


Richard,



I am looking at a potential next boat which might need some topside painting, 
and a very knowledgeable friend said while Awlgrip is the hardest surface, the 
pigment is not consistent through the paint thickness which makes any scratches 
more apparent.  Awlcraft, while a little softer surface, is easier to apply 
initially and repair in the future.



FWIW - He had his last 2 boats painted with Alexseal and they looked great 
after 8 years.  Easy to apply and can be repaired.



Brian



From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting



Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!



Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255





On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





Hi Richard,

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results.



As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.



Best of luck!

Danny



On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:



Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)



One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.



As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!



Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;



Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255







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Recommend Alex seal paint.

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From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 7:25:15 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Richard,
1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results.

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

Best of luck!
Danny

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.
Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255



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Stus-List Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

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I bought a Weize 200 amp last year.  Seems to work well.

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 6:50:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

Dave,

I purchased batteries from lythbattery.com in China.  
No complaints!

Check your insurance policy to make sure the batteries are not excluded before 
you invest the money.

Joel

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:33 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello all,
Looking to upgrade my new boat from agm to lithium and am wondering if anyone 
can recommend a source (industrial?) for LiFePo batteries.  Thanks!
Dave ex- 33-2 Windstar
Now alubat OVNI 435 Sakura


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Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

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My C 34 similarly captured me head first in the lazarette during an oil fill.

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From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 4:38:47 PM
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Cc: Rick Brass ; John Irvin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

Had to be rescued from a similar position on my 27-III.

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From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 6:12:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!


I suspect most of us with IOR era boats have had similar experiences.



The transom on my 38 is a bit over 5 feet wide. I needed to adjust the steering 
cables on the quadrant, so I removed the one scupper hose in the way and went 
down in the lazarette with my trusty wrenches and schrunched head first, on my 
back towards the steering gear. I couldn't quite put a wrench on both ends of 
the steering cable, so I put my foot on a convenient surface in the lazarette 
and pushed myself the last few inches until I could reach just fine. Success! 
The wheel centered and the cables snug.



Then the problem materialized.



I couldn't back out. My hands were trapped above my head by the underside of 
the cockpit sole and the steering guide pulleys with nothing to push against. 
Nothing I could reach with my foot to pull against. And no one on the dock to 
hear me shout "Anyone there!?"



About the time I had decided that they would  discover my withered body when 
the smell became offensive to someone on an adjacent boat at the club, I decide 
to make another try at getting out. I finally managed to raise my back and 
wiggle my butt so I could "inchworm" myself down a quarter or half inch at a 
time until I could hook a toe on the edge of the fuel tank and move back until 
I could free my hands, reach the side of the lazarette, and pull out of the 
trap.



I'm basically convinced that a new boat should come with the option of either a 
midget with an engineering degree, or a very precocious 14-year old.



Rick Brass

Imzadi C 38 mk2

Washington, NC



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From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jul 23, 2023 4:36 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!



I can easily relate to that.



I was stuck, headfirst, in the lazarette on friend’s Hunter 34. The lazarette 
was deep and there was a “point of no return”. If you passed it, there was no 
way to crawl your way back, but the lazarette was too tight to fall in and 
reverse. Fortunately, the owner was not that far away and eventually heard my 
yelps for help.



I keep saying that we need to teach some very little kids (2-3 yo) to do 
maintenance on our boats. They have the right size for that.



Marek



1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa ON







From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 3:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!



I still have nightmares of getting stuck back under the cockpit.

I once got stuck upside down head first, under the cutting board, under a panel 
below that where I was working on the isotherm refrigeration unit. I was 
calling for help, but no one was around. After about an hour and half, I 
finally extricated myself.



Bill Coleman

Former C 39



On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am running the propane hose for my new stove down the starboard side of the 
boat, which is requiring me to crawl back to the stern under/beside the aft 
cockpit. My memory of working back there was I just crawled in and back out. 
Turns out to not be that easy, I had to take the engine control cables and 
bilge pump hoses off their fittings and I still can just barely sort of do it. 
When I was a teenager I fit just fine. Did the boat shrink? Can I expand it? 
Did I “opposite of shrink”?



Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA





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Stus-List Re: Bilge blower & pumps

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I have used SeaFlo FW pumps with good results for three years.

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From: Riley Anderson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:01:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Riley Anderson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge blower & pumps

I use SeaFlo for my fresh water pump and a large diaphragm bilge pump. Both are 
great and have withstood 3 years of full time cruising without a hiccup. If 
you're concerned about premature failure, buy two (one for a backup), still 
cheaper than mainstream brands. They are no worse than anything at the marine 
stores. Everything these days is Chinese junk and if you think you're getting 
around that by spending  on brand name marine brands, you're kidding 
yourself.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 2:23 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a question for the group. Does anyone have experience with the Seaflo 
brand of bilge blowers or pumps? I need to replace a blower and add both. To my 
boats.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Tiller Wobble Resolved

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I had a diver inspect my rudder.  He advised there was an extraordinary amount 
of marine life attached, including a multi arm starfish about the size of a 
garbage can lid.  I suspectcthis was the cause of my rudder wobble.  The diver 
will clean the rest of the hull tomorrow.  I hope to take a test run Sunday.

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Stus-List Re: Insurance for larger boat - 15 foot increase maximum?

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I am anticipating liability only cicerage this fall.  Last year hull value 
coverage of $77k caused $3,600

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From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:06:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance for larger boat - 15 foot increase maximum?

When we purchased our 1956 Matthews 42 with twin 454 gas V8 engines we had 
difficulty obtaining insurance at any cost. After a haul-out survey, drawn 
fasteners, and certifying the survey findings we got to my qualifications to 
own and operate the vessel.

The insurance company that was most promising asked about my ownership and 
experience operating/navigating similar size vessels. They also asked about 
what training/education related to boat operation I had competed.

Fortunately, I had all those bases covered and we were able to bind coverage.  
The cost is 4X what we pay for Calypso.  We were expecting 3X, hoping for 2X.

I expect newbies, possibly during COVID buying more boat than they could handle 
along with high payouts from storm damage is driving insurance companies out of 
the market.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43

Greta
1956 Matthews 42
Port Ludlow

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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 4:49 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance for larger boat - 15 foot increase maximum?

Still haven't gotten any more information on this.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 2:19 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is strange.  I was chatting with a friend who is looking for a larger boat 
(power).  He said a couple of insurance representatives and a knowledgeable 
broker told him he could not get insurance for a boat more than 15 feet longer 
than his existing boat unless he has a master's license.  Anybody else heard 
that?

Can't seem to find an answer on the internet.  And how does one buy a first 
boat if it's long?

He's okay because he is only moving from 23 feet to 37 feet.  He has taken the 
Power Squadron course and said that didn't matter.

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Chuck's Exhaust Elbow

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What a tale of woe.  Replacement best.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 7:22:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chuck's Exhaust Elbow

Hi David,

In my case, The exhaust was working fine, no leaks.  But I had to remove it to 
get the bell housing off to access the transmission bolts to remove the 
transmission which was slipping.  The transmission is being rebuilt by a pro.  
The exhaust riser had some questionable looking fittings that were original and 
I wanted to replace what I could while waiting for the transmission. The water 
injector elbow was a street elbow and missing some meat where the hose gets 
clamped on.  It should be a barb fitting and it must have been installed before 
the flange was screwed on, so the flange needed to be removed to remove the 
injector elbow.

I put it in a vice and soaked it in PB Blaster for a week, spraying the joints 
every day, and then tried a pipe wrench on the flange.  It turned easily but 
the 1 1/4" nipple sheared right off leaving some portion of threads inside the 
flange neck.  We had to cut the part of the nipple in the riser using a sawzall 
and chisel it in on itself making a spiral we turned using a couple large 
pliers.  We were going to do the same for the barb fitting but instead tried to 
heat the casting and use a pipe wrench to turn it.  Since we had three guys, 
one held the torch while I had the pipe wrench, and the third guy tapped the 
casting with a ballpeen hammer.  Before the barb fitting turned, the casting 
cracked where it was thinnest.  Oh shit.  The most experienced guy tried to 
braze the crack but it just opened up more and more.

Where the casting cracked was right below the hex molded into it.  We discussed 
our problem and re-evaluated what we did and methods used and all agreed we did 
things right.  The casting was paper thin at the crack and it was a blessing to 
find this now instead of it eroding through and failing at sea.  Or you could 
say I should have left it alone and not messed with it.  I could get a pipe 
nipple welded on the flange and I could fix the crack in the riser using an 
epoxy, but I chose to order new parts.  My Barr riser was aluminum and I found 
it available online.  The iron version is cheaper but out of stock.  A new 
flange costs about the same as what a welder would charge to add a nipple to 
the old one.  I looked at SS models but they look like they may not fit in my 
engine box, so I will replace with the same parts and the new exhaust should 
last longer than the engine.


Chuck




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wrote:


Hi chuck. What made you decide to replace it?  Problems or trying to prevent 
them?  Dave

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Stus-List Re: C 27 Mainsail

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Precision Sails in Vancouver do a good job for a fair price if you decide to 
get a new one.

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From: Peter Fell via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:41:25 PM
To: 1 CnC List 
Cc: Peter Fell 
Subject: Stus-List C 27 Mainsail

I've determined the main on my 27 MkIII is actually sized for a MkII. So, 
P=29ft vs 31ft and E=9.5ft vs 10ft ... which explains why I could never fully 
hoist to the upper black mark. No idea how old the main is. It has a couple 
patches. It had some stitching redone about 10 years ago and converted to loose 
foot at the same time. I recall the loft mamager inspecting it and making 
several comments at the time, for example on batten pockets, along the lines of 
"we haven't done things like that for decades" ... so that gives some 
perspective on age, perhaps.

Now I've come across a very decent main for $400 CAD, but it's for a Newport 
28. The Newport has a P=32.5ft and E=10.3ft. But I think this particular one 
measures a P around 32ft. Regardless, a bit bigger than ideal. So I have it 
from the seller to test fit. I'll see if I can get it into one of the local 
lofts to be checked out.

Thoughts? Drop the boom a bit? Get it recut?
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Stus-List Re: pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

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Permatex high heat

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 6:30:20 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

Here's a question for the mechanics in the group.

I am replacing the engine's exhaust riser or mixing elbow and associated 
threaded 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" nipples, and want to use the right pipe dope that 
can handle the heat and make a good seal and hopefully make it easier to take 
apart for the next person.

I've been adised to use Never-Sieze on the bolts holding the flange and want to 
use Megaloc by Hercules on the pipe threads, but don't see any temperature 
stats on the can.

Any suggestions?

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

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White teflon will not seal gas or lubricants.  I use yellow Rector seal #5 with 
reliable results.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 7:20:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

FWIW, I worked as an HVAC mechanic and know there are teflon tapes rated 
specifically for Gas.  But the only time I used teflon tape is when threads 
were damaged and I followed up with Megaloc on top of it.  I never like using 
tape as threads of tape can wind up clogging valves downstream.  I never liked 
using teflon as tape or paste as I found leaks later.

Megaloc works on everything including fuel, water, gas, gasoline, oxygen, 
acids, etc.  My company wound up specifying it for all situations and it paid 
off in the long run.  It's good stuff.

C
On 07/15/2023 10:08 AM EDT Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I will be very interested in this discussion as I plan to replace my exhaust 
riser assembly soon.  I recently had a propane gas line installed in my house 
and the technician cringed at the telfon tape used on the existing pipe.  Not 
the same thing of course, but never would have expected teflon tape does not 
meet building code!

Also, if anyone reading this thread has a source recommendation for an exhaust 
riser/mixing elbow supplier, I would be grateful.  Engine is a 1981 Yanmar 3GM 
20 hp (not the 30 hp as in many boats).

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 10:01 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

I use Teflon tape on the pipe threads. A couple of wraps is good.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 06:30 CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Here's a question for the mechanics in the group.

I am replacing the engine's exhaust riser or mixing elbow and associated 
threaded 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" nipples, and want to use the right pipe dope that 
can handle the heat and make a good seal and hopefully make it easier to take 
apart for the next person.

I've been adised to use Never-Sieze on the bolts holding the flange and want to 
use Megaloc by Hercules on the pipe threads, but don't see any temperature 
stats on the can.

Any suggestions?

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Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

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Can you add a sight guage?  Tap holes at bottom and top of tank.  Add an elbow 
fitting with clear fuel line material.

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From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 12:52 PM
To: Peter W. via CnC-List 
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

I use my Hobbes meter.  I take a picture at each fill-up and try to keep the 
tank at least 1/2 full. I have a pretty accurate picture of my per hour 
consumption. Seems close enough for me.

On 6/27/2023 11:08 AM, Peter W. via CnC-List wrote:
> I like to keep my fuel tank as full as possible as the best way to keep out 
> water.
>
> Can anyone share their procedure to determine (with reasonable accuracy) how 
> much fuel their tank holds, at any given time?
> While I have a fuel gauge, it isn't very accurate as it under-estimates how 
> much fuel is in tank (by several gallons).
> I'm thinking of trying to use a wood or plastic dowel, but that would require 
> a "straight shot" to the tank bottom (I.e., no bends or obstructions).
> Any thoughts?
>
> Pete W.
> Siren Song
> C 30-2
> Irvington, Va
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Pump Replacement

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I found a better fitting pump.  Many available.  Low clearance in the 34 C 
bilge.  Many available.

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From: Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 6:36:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Morrison 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge Pump Replacement

Good Morning,

The Jabsco diaphragm bilge pump has lost suction and needs to be replaced on my 
1979 C The original model has been discontinued (37202-). The closest 
match is the 37202-2012. The original pumps at 4.5gpm. This one is only 3gpm. 
Is this the best option or is there another make available?

Thanks

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Stus-List Re: Dead Battery Charger

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I have a Noco sealed waterproof 10 amp charger on my 34 C  It has switching 
for FLA, AGM and lithium batteriers.   Very reliable.  Maybe you need 2.

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From: Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 7:22:53 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chuck Saur 
Subject: Stus-List Dead Battery Charger

Hello gang...

My battery charger died this weekend.  Its demise was swift, but provides an 
opportunity.  It was a ProMariner Sport 20amp, and apparently did a good job.  
But...since I am not an expert in this field...and need to part with boat bucks 
anyway, do you guys have better ideas?

I have two new group 27 combo batteries. No room for a third on my C$C 37/40+.  
What setups do you guys have?  Thanks.



Chuck Saur

517 490-5926 Cell



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Stus-List Re: Dual output solar controller

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What kind of batteries.  I operate 4 100/30 Victon controllers with 10 panels.  
2 feed a start / house bank of 5 group 21 100 amp start/ house batts.  2 feed a 
bank of 2x 200ah lithium batteries that are dedicated to refer and 5cf chest 
freezer.

Works well.

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 12:26:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Dual output solar controller

+1 for the Victron solar controller. I have 1 for each panel, and they talk to 
each othrr.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 11:11 Nathan Post via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I am in the process of figuring out adding solar to my two bank setup (start 
battery + house batteries) and have  been looking at this one:
https://www.renogy.com/dcc50s-12v-50a-dc-dc-on-board-battery-charger-with-mppt/
as a possibility. However, it is relatively expensive and doesn't include 
monitoring or bluetooth connectivity without additional devices. I think I 
might go to go with a Victron controller instead and just charge the house 
batteries with solar but haven't decided for sure. Would be interested if 
anyone has experience with the renology dc-dc mppt charge controller.  One nice 
thing about it is that it will not load down the alternator so much the way the 
bluesea relay suddenly connects the house and starter batteries shortly after 
the engine starts.  Second advantage is supporting a mixed bank if I upgrade 
the house batteries to lithium at some point.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper C 34CB
Portland ME


On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 1:57 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I put in a Morningstar Sunsaver Duo 
(https://www.morningstarcorp.com/products/sunsaver-duo/) paired with a 50W 
panel many years ago and it has worked perfectly ever since.  Keeps my 2 
batteries topped up while the boat is at the mooring.  I got the one with the 
separate output meter, which has proved useful in debugging charging issues.  
Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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On Jun 17, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Peter W. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am looking for feedback on dual output controllers.

I want to add a battery bank to my existing setup, but I have a single 
controller now.  It’s a Renogy Rover 20A and has worked fine; however, they 
don’t offer a dual output controller currently.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C 30-2
Irvington, Va.

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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

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Scary stuff. Frustrating when "professionals" muck things up.


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From: Todd Williams via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 6:40:52 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Todd Williams 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

Jon and others,

Until two years ago, my boat also used to stall in idle when approaching docks. 
Then, midway across Lake Ontario from Cape Vincent to Sodus on a calm day the 
fresh water pump/antifreeze circulator seized up. There was melting belt rubber 
with smoke as the bearings stopped turning. Five days and $56 later I had a new 
antifreeze circulator in place and we haven’t stalled out since. The friction 
in the bearings were enough to strain the engine into a stall.

TODD

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 7:26 PM JP Mail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Previous boat
‘79 Nicholson 303
Yanmar 2qm15
320 hrs.

Starts and runs all day. Slowing while approaching a dock-stalls.
Change filters, check for loose fuel lines, change crush washers…..
Approaching a dock….stall. Always while slowing down.
Approaching the fuel dock at Dodson’s was told “I’m going there!” By the nice 
man on his Hinckley.  My response, “Sorry,(engine stalls) I am.
The fuel pickup was at the forward end of the cylindrical tank. When I slowed, 
all the crud would slosh forward and block the pickup causing a stall.
Unfortunately the yard cleaned the tank and replaced it. they also 
inadvertently punctured it and diesel would run out the bottom. Found this out 
after a day sailing. Back to the yard and a new tank was installed.
Unfortunately they inadvertently severed the propane line while cutting a 2” 
hole in a bulkhead to run a new vent line. It was obscured by the insulation. 
Found this out when it blew up. With 2 of us onboard. ‘Nother story. I’m sure I 
told it here at some point.
Jon Pratt
Hideaway 35-3
Stamford CT
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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

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I have a 1980 34 C located in Ketchikan, AK.  I only use it in the summer.  
It has a new Yanmar 30 hp engine with 300 hrs.  Last year when returning from a 
long cruise at good speed and running well for many hours the engine suddenly 
slowed and died.  We were in a channel and began drifting towards the beach.  
After a few minutes I restarted the motor and it ran fine.  I suspect a fuel 
problem but never found the cause.  I changed the engine filter but it did not 
look dirty.

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From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:24:48 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

Transitory engine issues can create drama quickly.  Back in 1992 we had just 
taken possession of a 1981 C 36 and departed Seattle's Lake Union heading out 
to our saltwater moorage at Shilshole Bay Marina. This trip takes us west 
through the Lake Washington Ship Canal, under the Fremont and Ballard Bridges 
(needed to open them), and through the Ballard locks. The Ship Canal is narrow 
enough that it is rare to sail through it. It was also calm that day.  The 
engine ran just fine through the transit to and into the locks (approx. first 
hour of ownership). It is common to shut down the engine while locking through 
as it can take enough time to expose a few people to the exhaust fumes.

So, the lock gates open, the C 36's Yanmar 3-cylinder diesel fires up and 
aided by the outgoing current we departed the lock. Now it worth noting there 
is an opening single leafed Bascule train bridge with a clearance of +-48' at 
that moment's tide height a short distance west of the lock. Our 36's air draft 
was a little over 50'.
Given how the gods watching over errant sailors enjoy a good laugh from time to 
time the engine chooses that moment to shut down. It shut down in that way that 
indicates a restart is unlikely. The train bridge is also down. The current 
coming out of the locks is relentlessly pushing us towards the closed bridge. I 
am suddenly very concerned for the top few feet of the mast.

I immediately sounded the signal asking for an opening. I asked the boat's new 
co-owner to make ready to anchor.  I hit the starter to see if the engine would 
restart. It sputtered and died again.  I sounded for an opening again. Nothing 
promising was happening up on the bow in way of an anchor being deployed. I 
attempted another restart this time with the reduction gear in reverse to make 
use of any rotation of the prop.  I get maybe 15 to 20 seconds of run time 
which slowed our progress slightly. The bridge operator made the horn signal 
indicating he was able to open the bridge, no trains were in route.  I headed 
for the side of the bridge that opens first and hit the starter again hoping 
for another few seconds of reverse.

Fortunately, the bridge opened just enough and our path close to the opening 
end of the bridge equaled just enough clearance the mast remained intact, and 
we avoided an embarrassing episode where we would have needed to "strike the 
burgee", obscure the boat's name, and wear bags over our heads to avoid being 
identified.

The cause of all this entertainment was debris in the fuel tank blocking the 
fuel pick-up.  We hired a fuel tank cleaner/polisher who cut a inspection port 
removed the debris, cleaned the tank, polished the fuel and voila, no more fuel 
pick up issues.

Fast forward to 1999 and I am motoring our recently acquired C 43 along the 
same route.  When the truck from Chicago arrived, we had her unloaded at a Lake 
Union boat yard.  After 3 months of repair and upgrade work the boat was ready 
to leave but the mast was still in the paint shed so we motored off without a 
mast.  Didn't need to open any bridges and was relaxed about restarting in the 
locks and heading west. (The anchoring gear was ready to go this time.)  When 
we got to our Shilshole Bay Marina slip I contacted the fuel cleaning guy and 
had the tank thoroughly cleaned and the fuel polished to be ready for my next 
trip with the mast up and its 70' air draft.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

Greta
1956 Matthews 42
Port Ludlow

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 12:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: davidakne...@gmail.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

So the problem has not recurred in several hours of motoring over a few days so 
i am going to write it off as launch day blues. No water in separator. Fuel 
pressure gauge normal.  I cant see that i can do anything about it unless it 
keeps happening. Thanks for the ideas. Dave

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On Jun 9, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:

I once had a similar engine issue.  It would run fine one day (or half) and 
constant stall upon or shortly after restarts.  It turned out that my Racor was 
not full tightened.  Easy fix once found.

-
Paul 

Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

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Clogged fuel line.  I once had "jello" in my fuel line at a bend after s long 
lay up.  Recommend blowing the line clear with compressed air.

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From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 7:57:01 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

David,

My thinking is it’s not water, as once it stopped, it probably wouldn’t start 
again until it was cleaned out. Nevertheless, check the filter and bleed the 
injectors if needed.

It could be air, so try your bleed points and get the bubbles out.

As someone mentioned, there could be some crud in the line somewhere that 
eventually blocks the fuel and then backs off so you can start again.

My money is on crud in the lines somewhere. Maybe your primary filter needs 
replacement.

All the best,

Edd

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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
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On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:23 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

I am out for the first time this season. Engine started right up. Motored out 
of harbor for two hours. Turned engine off for a while waiting for wind. 
Started back up. Ran for 15-30 sec and died. Started up and ran for a bit 
longer then died. Pulled bed to get access and fuel pressure and level in racor 
look fine. Started up and ran fine for 40 min. WTF?  Dave

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Stus-List Re: Rebuilding a Hurth transmission

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Agree.  Shop rebuild best.  Tolerances, adjustments are critical.  Shop will 
have proper tools, gauges.  I had 2 Velvet drive transmissions rebuilt 12 years 
ago with good result.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 7:25:18 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Rebuilding a Hurth transmission

Anybody ever rebuild a Hurth transmission?  I believe the clutch discs on mine 
have worn to the point they need to be replaced.  There are a few YouTube 
videos online that show the process.   Very challenging and parts alone are 
$537.   I think I can remove the unit from the engine and take it to a machine 
shop with a press, and have them rebuild it using my parts.

Chuck Scheaffer 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Masthead unit for Raymarine I50 dislays

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Im planning to install instruments on a 8' ft post.  I have Garmin radar/ 
plotter.  What do you recommend for wind?

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From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 5:00:44 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Masthead unit for Raymarine I50 dislays

In spite of what they say the new masthead unit is not compatible with the i60 
instruments.  The direction it's fine, but the wind speed adjustment available 
is not sufficient to compensate To get the old head to like the new data 
protocols.  I would think it is the same, or worse, for the i50 series.

I ended up getting a new head and having to also install the various "talk" 
conversions.

Tom Buscaglia
P 206.463.9200
F 206.463.9290
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc

On May 31, 2023, at 7:42 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List  
wrote:


Anyone know if 
https://defender.com/en_us/raymarine-long-arm-forward-wind-transducer-e22079
,which says it fits I60, would fit an I50 cable?

My masthed stuff blew away last year.

Nate

1980 30-1
1994 Tartan 31
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Stus-List Re: Underway diesel fix - long read

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Good story.  Sound troubleshooting analysis.  Maybe there was nothing wrong 
with the old fuel pump. Big question, what tripped the breaker?

Also.  I have had poor service from Westerbeke reps.  I ordered a new set of 
hoses for my genny.  $126.  Hauled them to my boat in MX.  None fit!.  Arggg.

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Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 6:47:41 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Underway diesel fix - long read

I brought Touche' back from Pensacola to its home slip on Lake Pontchartrain 
this week.  Overall a nice sail with fair winds and weather.

Had one glitch.  Here's an excerpt from the trip report I sent some of my 
sailing buddies.

Thursday we were motor sailing past Petit Bois Island, Mississippi.  We'd just 
crossed the Pascagoula Ship Channel.  Touche's engine quit.  Just quit.  No 
slowing down or whatever.  Just died.  WTF?  The engine is a Universal 25XPB 
with about 2000 hours on it.

First thing I did was open the cockpit locker and look at the vacuum gauge on 
the Racor 500MA fuel filter.  It was still in the yellow where it normally 
runs.  I pulled the top and checked the filter element anyway.  I looked fairly 
clean.  Next I investigated if the filter might have an air leak and the level 
had dropped below the discharge.  The filter was only about half full.  I keep 
a small jug of diesel for topping off the filter if need be.  I topped it off 
and put the filter element back in.  I inspected the filter lid o-ring and 
gasket.  The gasket is square and can get twisted. Both looked normal.  
Buttoned up the filter and tried to start the engine.  It would barely idle and 
died.

The engine has an electric fuel pump.  Okay, next we checked the pump.  I put 
my finger on the pump.  My buddy turned on the ignition and pressed the preheat 
button.  Normally an electric fuel pump goes "click, click, click".  Only 
one click.  Aha!  Dead fuel pump.

The wind was good and we were still carrying 5 knots or so.  Fortunately, I had 
a spare fuel pump on board.  I spent about 1.5-2 hours changing it.  Before I 
installed it, I checked it for operation by powering it up.  Yep.  It went 
"click, click, click".

Got the new pump installed and we're ready to fire it up.  My buddy turns on 
the ignition and hits the preheat button.  Nothing, zip, nada.  Even the 
audible alarm was silent.  Big WTF?? He notices that even the engine gauges 
aren't moving.  Hmmm.  No power to the panel??  He says his Yanmar has a fuse 
on the engine and he thinks Westerbeke/Universals may have a circuit breaker.  
I grab the engine manual, pull up the wiring diagram.  It shows a 20 amp 
breaker.  Who knew?  But...where the heck is it?  After a bit of searching, I 
found it on the bracket where the fuel pump and some miscellaneous engine 
electrical components are.  I reach behind the panel, find the reset button and 
hear a click when I press it.  Okay.  We try the engine again and it fires 
right up.  Yay!  Good to go.

That lasts about a minute.  It immediately dies again.  Crap!  I start the 
investigation again.  Open the cockpit locker to look at the vacuum gauge.  Oh, 
what a dumbass!  I'd shut off the fuel valve to change the pump.  I opened the 
valve.  The engine fired up and away we went.

All told, we only lost about an hour on our arrival time and avoided a large 
tow bill.

A bit of internet research later revealed that the $256 Westerbeke 39275 fuel 
pump is really a Facet 40185N.  I found one on eBay for $76.  Same pump.

This mimics the tachometer/hourmeter replacement from a couple weeks ago.  The 
Westerbeke part was $350.  I found the identical part made by Datcon from a hot 
rod shop for $150.  When I looked at the old one, it had the Datcon name and 
part number on it.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I quit buying 8D batteries years ago and replaced with type 31.

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 7:25:35 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead


True, but they are longer end-to-end and do not fit where the 4D goes. I have 
glassed in supports sized to the 4D.  I would definitely have done that and 
saved my back if they fit.

Also three group 24s fit into an 8D box if you have one.



Joe

Coquina





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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 10:05 AM
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Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead



2 type 31 AGM batts will give you 200 amps and are far easier to move than the 
4D



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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:54:07 AM
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Subject: Stus-List New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead



I have been trying to put off buying new batteries until I can rewire for 
Lithium, but that was not to be. My last sail saw the house battery drop to 
about 12.4 volts an hour off shore power and the engine battery struggles with 
a cold engine.

To my surprise, the local West Marine in Annapolis started carrying Odyssey 
batteries. I got a 4D Odyssey that uses their pure lead thin plate technology. 
This is basically an AGM, but is supposed to have a longer lifespan and charge 
faster than the conventional version. The West Marine branded batteries are 
really East-Penn Deka batteries. The Deka AGMs are only “OK”, not great. I was 
really happy to see WM branching out a bit. For the start battery I decided to 
risk a battery made out of Chinenesium, if it dies I am not out a lot of money 
nor is it hard to change out.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K6Z3VZ2?psc=1=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

There are a lot of U1 size AGMs on Amazon, most of them seem to be around 
150-170 CCA. This one is 320 CCA, which is plenty for me, the A4 starter draws 
about 130 amps.



I am 100% sure the next house battery I buy will be lithium, getting a 120 
pound battery into it’s spot was a huge PITA. Right now the tech is just not 
there on the cheap end. The “drop in” batteries really are no such thing. They 
might not blow up or catch on fire, but they may have a vey short lifespan 
depending on exactly what they get dropped in to. Even worse is when on a dark 
and stormy night the BMS decides to cut off all your power for some random 
reason.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA




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Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

2 type 31 AGM batts will give you 200 amps and are far easier to move than the 
4D

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:54:07 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead


I have been trying to put off buying new batteries until I can rewire for 
Lithium, but that was not to be. My last sail saw the house battery drop to 
about 12.4 volts an hour off shore power and the engine battery struggles with 
a cold engine.

To my surprise, the local West Marine in Annapolis started carrying Odyssey 
batteries. I got a 4D Odyssey that uses their pure lead thin plate technology. 
This is basically an AGM, but is supposed to have a longer lifespan and charge 
faster than the conventional version. The West Marine branded batteries are 
really East-Penn Deka batteries. The Deka AGMs are only “OK”, not great. I was 
really happy to see WM branching out a bit. For the start battery I decided to 
risk a battery made out of Chinenesium, if it dies I am not out a lot of money 
nor is it hard to change out.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K6Z3VZ2?psc=1=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

There are a lot of U1 size AGMs on Amazon, most of them seem to be around 
150-170 CCA. This one is 320 CCA, which is plenty for me, the A4 starter draws 
about 130 amps.



I am 100% sure the next house battery I buy will be lithium, getting a 120 
pound battery into it’s spot was a huge PITA. Right now the tech is just not 
there on the cheap end. The “drop in” batteries really are no such thing. They 
might not blow up or catch on fire, but they may have a vey short lifespan 
depending on exactly what they get dropped in to. Even worse is when on a dark 
and stormy night the BMS decides to cut off all your power for some random 
reason.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA




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Stus-List Re: stove cover heat shield

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Mine has formica.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 7:00:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: stove cover heat shield

Actually, I just found a pic.  You're talking about the cover that lifts up and 
slides behind the stove?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CUle5LiiMamYsbGXGdBmFDPbTQ0-HbPi/view?usp=share_link

Mine doesn't have anything on the bottom.

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Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 8:29 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My 35 mk I has a board that covers the stove/oven, and can be slid out of the 
way to use the stove.  The bottom of it is covered with what looks like 
aluminum foil, that is peeling off. What is this and how do I replace it?

Bob
Mystic
14032, Detroit
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Stus-List Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Check ebay.

On Amazin you can get a digital hour meter that sticks on for $20.

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 6:06:39 PM
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Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

Well, gosh darn.  Touche's engine hour meter died (or went to sleep).  Engine 
is Universal 25XPB.  Boat is in yard 4 hours away so I'm just probing around 
the web for options.

First, it may be repairable.  Might just be a poor connection.  I probably 
won't tackle it until I get the boat back to its home slip in Louisiana in a 
couple weeks.  An hour meter isn't that critical.  However, on the chance that 
it isn't repairable, I have two options.

First, install a stand alone waterproof hour meter.  Cost $20-40 depending on 
selection and another hole in the bulkhead.

Second, replace the tachometer/hour meter.  Did that once already.  Here's 
where it gets interesting.  It's Westerbeke part 011917.  Typical online price 
is about $340 US.

https://westerbeke.com/Product/METER/011917?productname=METER=54202996DAF73B1CA82D59C6

So I Googled "tachometer/hour meter" and probed around.  Guess what?  A Datcon 
71725-00 tach/hour meter for about 1/3 of Westerbeke's price.  Looks identical. 
 Spec says data source is alternator which I believe the 25XPB is.  Here's the 
tach:

https://vehiclecontrols.com/shopping/shop700/products1/453057044-71725-00-datcon-tachometer-with-hourmeter-4000rpm/

Very interesting.  Could this be the same tach?  3 3/8" hole.  Next time I'm on 
the boat, I'll verify the diameter and alternator data sensor.  If I can't 
repair it, I'll replace it with the Datcon.  Anybody know why I shouldn't?

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a hose 
extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material might help?

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:23:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and grease 
the rudder bearings, next time.

Chuck S
On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List  wrote:



I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection, the 
34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a close 
tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by fiberglass 
struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a foot or so 
from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering quadrant and be 
well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit floor square cast 
bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole for rudder shaft is 
also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole edges.  This is the real 
issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting hole allowing the rudder 
post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the fitting and insert a new 
bushing.


On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.  
Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal maintenance.  
I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I could insert grease 
from the locker and not have to crawl back there


Best of luck


John Read

1982 C 34


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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?


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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
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Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/> at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.


At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!


Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/>


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Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read


On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.


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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/> at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.



At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com



From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble



Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read



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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.



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Stus-List Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I upgraded my AC power selector switch to 4 ways to add inverter with Blue Sea 
switch many years ago.  Spendy but it has worked well.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:05:44 AM
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade


I rewired my whole boat and used Blue Sea products.

I’ll grab some photos when I get a chance.
Joe

Coquina



From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 1:15 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Kevin Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade



Hi All,
I'm getting ready to replace the electrical panel on our boat with a Blue Seas 
8408. Has anyone done this? I would love to see some installation pictures and 
see how/what others have done and used for bus bars and terminal blocks?
Any other insight is more than welcome!
If you are brave, this is a link to a few pictures I took on the weekend.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/4y45cij1k400lslqcztab/h?dl=0=djc1c03vkuwhc4sl8dwrorn9v

Thanks
Kevin
1985 Landfall 43
Raven
Midland ON


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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Consider an "in hull"  transducer.  No hole needed.  Mount anyplace with solid 
hull.  I have 2 on my 1980 34.  Work fine.

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From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 12:58:16 PM
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Cc: wolf...@erie.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location


I believe mine were located slightly to starboard due to easy access, not 
because there’s anything special about one side or the other.



Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more 
distorted your readings are likely to be.



Bill Coleman



On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker is, 
which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to starboard. 
 Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the solid glass.  
When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years ago, I used the 
same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran down my arm when I 
removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking wet balsa core.  We dried 
out the entire area and created solid epoxy “plugs” larger than the old holes 
for redrilling the new transducer holes.  This was not a difficult job, but 
then again I have a “stick boat.”



A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?



From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Juliano Franz mailto:jufr...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: 
https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.



Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.



Anyone around here has any tips?



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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Yes.  Dangerous.  I use simple green then tteat wood with Watco wood oil.  My 
boat is in Ketchikan, AK.  Very damp.  I keep a dehumidifier running all year.  
It works well to keep away mold.

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True, but it's all in concentration. Too much and yes, you will eat through 
your keelbolts. Just a tiny bit, and you will kill the nasty stuff that grows 
in there. I once put a chlorine pellet in one of my strainers, and it it ate 
Holes through the stainless steel strainer . Having said all that, when I first 
got my 39, I decided to get all of the mildew out of it and took everything out 
of the boat, nice mixture of Tide, chlorine and ammonia, sprayed it all around, 
power washed it, rinsed it and sucked it out. If a little bit of cleaner is 
good, a lot is better right,? I'm lucky to be alive. Little did I know then 
that ammonia and chlorine creates mustard gas! Live and learn!

Bill Coleman

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 21:58 Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

My friend Bill Coleman on this list cautioned me against using Clorox in the 
bilge for fear of damaging the stainless keel bolts.



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Add some anti bacterial detergent to the bilge and maybe a cup of chlorox/javex 
once in a while



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Ive found it useful in removing oils.



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Probably the reason for a separate pump and discharge that by-passes the bilge.



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I have heard discharging shower grey water into bilge created a soapy/scummy 
mess in the bilge?







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My 32 has the same set up...shower hose from the sink facet...sump with a teak 
gratesump pump under the sink for a separate discharge just below the toe 
rail opposite the head starboard side.

All woks fine but never use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2023-02-15 1:59 p.m., Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:

That was the set-up on the 42 Custom.  A shower hose was integral to the sink 
faucet.  On my boat, the shower head was attached to a wall rack for adjusting 
the height.  The floor is a teak grate with a very thin plastic catch pan 
underneath.  The pan drained to a “sump” pump with a separate discharge.  I 
removed everything but the drain pan, which now has a hose to drain to the 
bilge.  I’m in the process of installing a shower on deck for use after 
swimming.



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Probably the reason for a separate pump and discharge that by-passes the bilge.



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I have heard discharging shower grey water into bilge created a soapy/scummy 
mess in the bilge?







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My 32 has the same set up...shower hose from the sink facet...sump with a teak 
gratesump pump under the sink for a separate discharge just below the toe 
rail opposite the head starboard side.

All woks fine but never use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2023-02-15 1:59 p.m., Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:

That was the set-up on the 42 Custom.  A shower hose was integral to the sink 
faucet.  On my boat, the shower head was attached to a wall rack for adjusting 
the height.  The floor is a teak grate with a very thin plastic catch pan 
underneath.  The pan drained to a “sump” pump with a separate discharge.  I 
removed everything but the drain pan, which now has a hose to drain to the 
bilge.  I’m in the process of installing a shower on deck for use after 
swimming.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:38 PM
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Stus-List Re: Shower drain

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No separate shower.  Just sit on the toilet and use the sprayer for the sink. 
Floor is a shower type with a drain hole.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Shower drain


That was the set-up on the 42 Custom.  A shower hose was integral to the sink 
faucet.  On my boat, the shower head was attached to a wall rack for adjusting 
the height.  The floor is a teak grate with a very thin plastic catch pan 
underneath.  The pan drained to a “sump” pump with a separate discharge.  I 
removed everything but the drain pan, which now has a hose to drain to the 
bilge.  I’m in the process of installing a shower on deck for use after 
swimming.



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:38 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Shower drain



I thought most of the showers and these boats are just faucets  that you pull 
out on a hose and hang on the wall

Bill Coleman

Erie PA



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 12:23 Paul Hood via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

That’s interesting that all those 34’s have showers…never knew.  I have a small 
hole in the floor of my head and it goes to the bilge too, but no shower head 
to speak of.  Never thought I’d need one.



Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay



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I have a 1980 C  My shower drains to the bilge.



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John, I also have a C (1980 vintage). I bought the boat with the shower 
sump not functioning but have always found the Lake Ontario waters to be 
sufficient for bodily cleaning. I think my problem is the 43 year old pump that 
is covered in rust up in the cabinetry! I did consider drilling a hole to drain 
the shower into the bilge but decided not to do that because, when I am sinking 
in Lake Ontario and the water is 3 inches deep in the cabin it will start 
filling the shower pan and that little pump (that I haven’t replaced yet) will 
act as a second bilge pump and keep me afloat a little longer. ;)



My son received a 3D Printer for his birthday three months ago. He has found so 
many projects around the house to print parts and improve our abode. His 
machine ran nonstop and he was setting alarms for 3AM to start new projects. 
Other than the rubber flapper part of that intake assembly, it would be 3D 
printable.



Find a Makerspace in your area. Call the high school engineering teacher. In 
our old town the library had a 3D printer. There’s bound to be another teenager 
who would take measurements with calipers, make a measured CAD drawing, and 
print it for you. Plan E would be to send us the part and my son could 
manufacture it.



Todd Williams

Indigo Out We Go

- Formerly Sodus, NY now Saco, ME and trying to find a mooring within two hours 
drive! 3-7 year waitlists all around!





On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:28 PM John Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Seeking sources to replace the shower drain.  It apparently uses parts from the 
Jabsco little pal 1 ¼ hand pump – the angled intake base 33839-0100 plus foot 
strainer with integral disc valve  33632-0100.  After much internet research 
and phone calls these parts are no longer available and have been unable to 
locate them.  Any ideas on locating them -or- a suitable replacement?  The 
shower pan can tolerate only this design or very similar

TIA

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT



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Stus-List Re: Shower drain

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I have a 1980 C  My shower drains to the bilge.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:52:58 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Shower drain

John, I also have a C (1980 vintage). I bought the boat with the shower 
sump not functioning but have always found the Lake Ontario waters to be 
sufficient for bodily cleaning. I think my problem is the 43 year old pump that 
is covered in rust up in the cabinetry! I did consider drilling a hole to drain 
the shower into the bilge but decided not to do that because, when I am sinking 
in Lake Ontario and the water is 3 inches deep in the cabin it will start 
filling the shower pan and that little pump (that I haven’t replaced yet) will 
act as a second bilge pump and keep me afloat a little longer. ;)

My son received a 3D Printer for his birthday three months ago. He has found so 
many projects around the house to print parts and improve our abode. His 
machine ran nonstop and he was setting alarms for 3AM to start new projects. 
Other than the rubber flapper part of that intake assembly, it would be 3D 
printable.

Find a Makerspace in your area. Call the high school engineering teacher. In 
our old town the library had a 3D printer. There’s bound to be another teenager 
who would take measurements with calipers, make a measured CAD drawing, and 
print it for you. Plan E would be to send us the part and my son could 
manufacture it.

Todd Williams
Indigo Out We Go
- Formerly Sodus, NY now Saco, ME and trying to find a mooring within two hours 
drive! 3-7 year waitlists all around!


On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:28 PM John Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Seeking sources to replace the shower drain.  It apparently uses parts from the 
Jabsco little pal 1 ¼ hand pump – the angled intake base 33839-0100 plus foot 
strainer with integral disc valve  33632-0100.  After much internet research 
and phone calls these parts are no longer available and have been unable to 
locate them.  Any ideas on locating them -or- a suitable replacement?  The 
shower pan can tolerate only this design or very similar

TIA

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT



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Stus-List Re: TowBoatUS is it worth it?

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Not at all useful on remote areas.

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From: Richard Servance via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2023 3:38:26 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: TowBoatUS is it worth it?

I see it as cheap insurance and peace of mind. I've used it once and it's 
comforting to know that a tow, fuel, jump, or whatever assistance the day might 
call for is only a call (or an app) away.

Sail safe,


Richard Servance

S/V Blue Heaven (C 34+)

757-995-3416
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Stus-List Re: Problem with Bilge Pump

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Clean the vent on the "u" connection

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From: Al Serrato via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 4:57:23 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Problem with Bilge Pump

I've been using a Jabsco diaphragm bilge pump located in the starboard cockpit 
locker/engine compartment for many years without any problems. The hose from 
the pump has a vented loop and exits at the stern.

Recently, I noticed that while the pump was functioning apparently normally, no 
water was coming out at the stern. I removed the exit hose from the pump while 
it was operating and within a few seconds I had water pumping out of the pump. 
I replaced the hose and the water continued to pump out of the stern as it 
normally should.

However, when I went back to the boat a few days later, the same problem was 
occurring. It looks like the pump is working normally but unless I pull the 
exit hose off the pump, it continues to run with no water actually pumping. The 
suction element in the bilge in clean and unobstructed

Any suggestions as to how to diagnose this would be much appreciated. I'm 
wondering if I'm just not getting sufficient pressure from the pump to overcome 
the vented loop, maybe due to gaskets that need to be replaced? The pump is 
probably 5 or 6 years old at this point and I have never serviced it.  But when 
I removed the hose from the pump, it seemed to be coming out with quite a bit 
of pressure.

Thanks in advance.

Al Serrato
Senza Fine
C & C 34
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk I Recommendations for Sailmaker

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I bought a new foresail from them last year.  All went as agreed.  They ask for 
a lot of measurements.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk I Recommendations for Sailmaker


Glen,



There are a few, reasonably local, reps for Doyle and North Sails. I think one 
is in Barrie, the other somewhere in GTA. So, if you prefer working with them 
and having the measurement taken by them, just send them a request (their 
websites work well).



However, be prepared that the “big guys” tend to be substantially more 
expensive.



I had a very good experience with a couple sail loft where I ordered sails 
online/by phone.



One is the Somerset Sails 
(https://somersetsails.com/).
 I ordered a full set (main and jib) in 2013. I talked at length to Martin, and 
he suggested a few changes to what I originally planned. The sails worked well. 
I still use the main, and just replaced the jib – the sacrificial UV cover 
started to wear out and the cost of replacing that was comparable to a new sail.



The other is the Far East sails. I have just replaced the jib (see above).



Both of them offer very competitive prices. I went with Far East this time, 
because Martin responded after a month’s delay (as it happened, he was away) 
and by that time I decided to use Far East.



The only issue with ordering like that is that you have to make your own 
measurements. This means that if you make mistakes, you are responsible. The 
short advice is to measure twice and be sure that you take the correct 
measurements (e.g., from-to the correct points on the boat). Don’t assume that 
the “standard measurements” are correct. This is very important regarding the 
jib measurements, as you need to consider the furler (how high above the deck 
the tack is, and how much below the mast top the top swivel is).



As much as I would like to see the sail loft’s rep on my boat, it is hardly an 
option here in Ottawa. So, the mail order is the only reasonable option.



Good luck with your search



Marek



1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa ON







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Hello everyone,



Time for Freya to get a new Mainsail and Headsail (135%-150% furling dacron).  
Any preferred sailmakers in the Greater Toronto Area?



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Stus-List Re: Insurance - again

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I decided to self insure my 1980 34 C  I have a liability only policy.  Very 
reasonable

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 8:32:28 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Insurance - again

Happy New Year!

I've been looking for insurance to cover our boat in the Caribbean and Med.

READ THE POLICY BEFORE YOU BUY!

I got what I thought was a good quote through a British broker until I read 
that the value of the mast decreased by 5% per year - i.e. a 20 year old mast 
was not insured.

Joel
Rule One Hylas 49
Former owner The Office C 35/3

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Stus-List Re: Everyone unfrozen?

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Where north?  My power boat is in MX, my winter destination and my C 34 is in 
Ketchikan.

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From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:12:34 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Everyone unfrozen?

My winterizing is opposite of most of you in the great white north. I put her 
on the hard with all canvas off including sails, put on my UC cover. Then head 
north to cooler weather and my summer boat.


Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
sv Sally T
Sabre 34 mrk I .
Port Orchard Yacht Club



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From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Date: 12/29/22 14:01 (GMT-06:00)
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Cc: joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov, Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Everyone unfrozen?

Yup! I changed oil and winterized in early December...so all I had to do was 
take pictures of my darlin' baby boat sitting in the snow and ice!

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 27 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


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Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2022 8:53 am
Subject: Stus-List Everyone unfrozen?

I hope all of you are unfrozen and dug out!

I did a last-second winterizing job right before the front came through, now I 
get to un-winterize, change the oil, and hope it stays above freezing or get to 
do it again.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


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Stus-List Re: Hatch in head

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I covered my fwd berth hatch with a canvas panel to stop leak.  My smal head 
sklight still leaks after numerous attemps to reseal.

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From: Carl Freeman via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 8:09:33 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Hatch in head

John,

Butyl is the way to go on these. The hatch is only held in with self tapping 
screws.

As Paul mentioned the seal can have issues on the very back of hatch where the 
joint is.

Carl Freeman
1979 C
Groton, CT

On Dec 10, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Paul Hood via CnC-List  
wrote:



John, There is no flange on these and the perimeter is vertical, top to bottom. 
 Also, the hinge side has seal issue and is prone to leaking. Not a great 
design.  I took mine out about 8 years ago, changed the seal, plexi, and reset 
it.  I can’t remember what I did in the resetting process but it has been 98% 
good since then.  It’s not perfect with the odd drip occasionally, but I’m 
leaving well enough alone. I know that’s not much help for you.



Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay



From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: December 9, 2022 10:03 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Hatch in head



https://www.atkinshoyle.com/products/Single-Frame-Boat-Hatch/Single-Frame-Boat-Hatch/Model-550.html#Gallery-1



My Atkins & Hoyle hatch in the head has developed a leak between the aluminum 
frame and the deck.  Have tried various sealants which all have failed mainly 
because they lose adhesion to the vertical aluminum surface.  Cannot figure out 
how to remove the frame so I can clean it and reseal (with butyl?).  There are 
no visible flanges.  It is a tight fit to the hole cur in the deck.  Has anyone 
had similar issues?  Is there a flange on the frame that is sealed to the 
underside of the deck?  Is it just glued in with plexus or similar?  All 
thoughts welcomed



John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT



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Stus-List Re: Solar switch?

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

yes but.  the panels never generate the rated watts in the real world. best to 
monitor output in your specific locale / application.  No need to make an 
expensive upgrade for something that will never happen.  I run 2x 100/30 amp 
controllers on 2 sets of 4 x 150 watt panels in the baja.  They never make more 
than 10 amps.

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Actually, the controller should be even bigger (400 W/12 V = 33.333 A). A 30 A 
controller will be marginal, at best. If you run it like that, it may generate 
excessive heat and may fail prematurely.



The voltage would depend on how the panels are connected. If all in parallel, 
then the voltage should not exceed 20-22 V.



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1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa ON







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sounds OK.  Note the rating on your Victron controller.  A 100v/ 30amp 
controller is likely needed for 4 panels.  they could generate over 80 volts.  
Your Victron has a switch for different battery types if you change system in 
the future.  Also be sure to fuse or use a breaker in the system between panels 
and battery.



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Hi All,

Starting to look at the project list for the spring and I have a question for 
the group.

I have 4 100 watt solar panels that are connected directly to a solar generator 
(Bluetti AC200P) that is wired to the AC panel. When I want to charge the house 
bank I flip the switch for the House bank/start bank charger. Obviously not the 
most efficient way to charge but works. I have a Victron solar charge 
controller that came with the panels that I would like to use. The question is, 
can I run the solar panels into a two way switch. One side going to the charge 
controller and the other going to the solar generator? That way I could charge 
the house bank till full then switch it over to the lithium.

Thanks everyone.



Kevin Wright

Landfall 43

Raven

Midland ON.
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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

sounds OK.  Note the rating on your Victron controller.  A 100v/ 30amp 
controller is likely needed for 4 panels.  they could generate over 80 volts.  
Your Victron has a switch for different battery types if you change system in 
the future.  Also be sure to fuse or use a breaker in the system between panels 
and battery.

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Subject: Stus-List Solar switch?


Hi All,

Starting to look at the project list for the spring and I have a question for 
the group.

I have 4 100 watt solar panels that are connected directly to a solar generator 
(Bluetti AC200P) that is wired to the AC panel. When I want to charge the house 
bank I flip the switch for the House bank/start bank charger. Obviously not the 
most efficient way to charge but works. I have a Victron solar charge 
controller that came with the panels that I would like to use. The question is, 
can I run the solar panels into a two way switch. One side going to the charge 
controller and the other going to the solar generator? That way I could charge 
the house bank till full then switch it over to the lithium.

Thanks everyone.



Kevin Wright

Landfall 43

Raven

Midland ON.
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Maybe better to get a gas powered compressor instead of gen set for a limited 
use.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

Oh!
Never mind!!
Bill Coleman

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:23 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Usually at least 2500-3000 PSI.



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how much pressure do you need? I've got a compressor on mine but it only makes 
100 lb. But it is 12 volts.

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA



On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 22:16 David NCW via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thx i need to run a dive compressor



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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

You may want to expand your list to the C Landfall 43. They had generators as 
a factory option, so they definitely have room.

You also may want to think about if you need a genset at all. With modern 
charging, solar, and battery systems, the only real need for one now is air 
conditioning when on the hook.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







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Hi my first post, I hope it is to the right place.  I really like the CnC 44.  
Is on the short list of my retirement boat candidates.  Is there a good spot to 
mount a small diesel Genset?

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Stus-List Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

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What part of the world will you cruise in?  Solar panels may be a better 
option, small potable gas jenny for occasional use.

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Hi my first post, I hope it is to the right place.  I really like the CnC 44.  
Is on the short list of my retirement boat candidates.  Is there a good spot to 
mount a small diesel Genset?
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Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

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I had a 20 amp Hart inverter / charger in my sailboat.  When it failed I 
replaced it with an inverter and separate charger,  The Hart was the size of 3 
shoe boxes,  new units combined  are 1/2 the size.

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Cc: Rick Brass<mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

I second Josh’s endorsement of the Pro Mariner Pro Nautic.

I originally installed an old Xantrex (I think 30 amp) mainly because it was 
cheap on eBay. It lasted well over a decade, and I was happy with it. But it 
eventually failed and I replaced with a new 40 amp Xantrex in about 2014. It 
crapped out a few months after the warranty period.  A friend who is a marine 
electronics wizard (people actually pay him to come to Florida to work on their 
boats) told me that Xantrex had been bought and the quality had gone to pot. 
Pro Mariner was one of his recommendations for the replacement.

BTW, I was considering getting an inverter/charger and he suggested getting two 
devices instead of one. With an inverter/charger if either system fails you 
tend to lose both functions. So I have more than adequate charging capacity for 
the big house bank to run the boat systems, and a 1000W sine wave inverter for 
AC things like charging the laptop and the various rechargeable items on the 
boat.

And I prefer to hand grind fresh coffee beans ( the Japanese grinder on the 
boat may have cost more than the inverter) and use a French Press for coffee.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:11 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

FWIW:  I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. 
 One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps.  I finally replaced them 
with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260.  The charger has served me well in nearly 
every possible capacity.  That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with 
regard to modern Xantrex products.  I would encourage anyone interested to 
investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters.

https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.promariner.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmarine%2520dc%2520to%2520ac%2520power%2520inverters=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=NThpUKI4KW6bD2T4I1jbwil87Ud0rx722%2BC6YNz4IRU%3D=0>

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S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>:
I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin.  I use a Zero 
Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water.  It will 
deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment.  
Works great!  I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter 
added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup.  Wonderful, 
just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up.  It is ready after you 
take a potty break and brush your teeth.
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Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter
Thanks Chuck
On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee.  The 
Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our 
pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us.  I have a small sine-wave 
inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs 
(charging and computers).
We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change.  
It has no inverter and I am considering installing one.  Also have a 1200w 
inverter generator (also too small for Keurig).  The inverter would mainly be 
just to run a tv and such.  Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a 
Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex).  I 
am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. 
 However they are quite similar in many ways
Mike
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Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I now have a Kreidler 3,000 watt inverter and a Charles marine 60 amp charger.  
They seem to work well.  I also use 900 watts of solar to charge the house 
batts.

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I second Josh’s endorsement of the Pro Mariner Pro Nautic.

I originally installed an old Xantrex (I think 30 amp) mainly because it was 
cheap on eBay. It lasted well over a decade, and I was happy with it. But it 
eventually failed and I replaced with a new 40 amp Xantrex in about 2014. It 
crapped out a few months after the warranty period.  A friend who is a marine 
electronics wizard (people actually pay him to come to Florida to work on their 
boats) told me that Xantrex had been bought and the quality had gone to pot. 
Pro Mariner was one of his recommendations for the replacement.

BTW, I was considering getting an inverter/charger and he suggested getting two 
devices instead of one. With an inverter/charger if either system fails you 
tend to lose both functions. So I have more than adequate charging capacity for 
the big house bank to run the boat systems, and a 1000W sine wave inverter for 
AC things like charging the laptop and the various rechargeable items on the 
boat.

And I prefer to hand grind fresh coffee beans ( the Japanese grinder on the 
boat may have cost more than the inverter) and use a French Press for coffee.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:11 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

FWIW:  I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. 
 One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps.  I finally replaced them 
with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260.  The charger has served me well in nearly 
every possible capacity.  That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with 
regard to modern Xantrex products.  I would encourage anyone interested to 
investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters.

https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.promariner.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmarine%2520dc%2520to%2520ac%2520power%2520inverters=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=NThpUKI4KW6bD2T4I1jbwil87Ud0rx722%2BC6YNz4IRU%3D=0>

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S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>:
I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin.  I use a Zero 
Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water.  It will 
deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment.  
Works great!  I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter 
added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup.  Wonderful, 
just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up.  It is ready after you 
take a potty break and brush your teeth.
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Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter
Thanks Chuck
On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee.  The 
Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our 
pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us.  I have a small sine-wave 
inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs 
(charging and computers).
We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change.  
It has no inverter and I am considering installing one.  Also have a 1200w 
inverter generator (also too small for Keurig).  The inverter would mainly be 
just to run a tv and such.  Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a 
Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex).  I 
am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. 
 However they are quite similar in many ways
Mike
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Stus-List Re: Deck caps for tanks

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Defender

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From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 10:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Stus-List Deck caps for tanks


Hi all,

I have an ‘85 37 with what I think are the original plastic screw caps in the 
tank fill holes. I’d like to replace these with metal (chromed bronze?) caps. 
Any suggestions for a source?

Pete McMinn

S/V Sirius

Port Madison, Wa

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Stus-List Re: Thanksgiving Temperatures

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I sent $10

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Thanksgiving Temperatures

Welcome Via! Enjoy Wind Dancer ;)

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:44 PM Via via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

New member and my 1979 C 36 “Wind Dancer” is in Oriental NC while I am in 
Austin, TX. The Town Dock newspaper keeps me up to date with live webcams and 
temps. It is 54 and sunny. I am happy to be a member and definitely will send a 
contribution along.
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Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Cheap inverters are a curse.  There is a reason good ones are more expensive.  
My electrician buddy explained it to me once,  they are built different.  I 
have had good service from my Charles Marine battery charger.  I have replaced 
numerous large West Marine inverters.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 3:59 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

First, I have posted here before about my somewhat negative opinion of Xantrex 
II chargers.  My boat repair colleague and I quit installing them after a few 
failures.  We switched to Blue Sea, Promariner and, for smaller installations, 
Guest.

The original Xantrex chargers, while perhaps not as "smart" as the newer 
chargers, are very reliable.  I have a 20 year old Xantrex 20 on Touche'.  Note 
- it's NOT a Xantrex II.  I have a spare but have never had to install it.

Second, I prefer separate chargers and inverters.  If one side fails, you're in 
it for big $$$.  There are folks who repair them but they're not cheap.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Content trimmed!

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:10 PM Josh via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
FWIW:  I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. 
 One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps.  I finally replaced them 
with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260.  The charger has served me well in nearly 
every possible capacity.  That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with 
regard to modern Xantrex products.  I would encourage anyone interested to 
investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters.

https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin.  I use a Zero 
Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water.  It will 
deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment.  
Works great!  I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter 
added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup.  Wonderful, 
just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up.  It is ready after you 
take a potty break and brush your teeth.

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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

Thanks Chuck

On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee.  The 
Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our 
pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us.  I have a small sine-wave 
inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs 
(charging and computers).

We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change.  
It has no inverter and I am considering installing one.  Also have a 1200w 
inverter generator (also too small for Keurig).  The inverter would mainly be 
just to run a tv and such.  Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a 
Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex).  I 
am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. 
 However they are quite similar in many ways

Mike



From: Novabraid via CnC-List 
Sent: November 18, 2022 1:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

Mike,
I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at 
anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices 
such as radar/chartplotter.  12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to 
the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 
1300w.  That gets used very sparingly.  Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) 
hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly.
I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water 
pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery 
charge levels manageable.
Chuck Gilchrest
83’ Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA
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Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

Hi Chuck

Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w?  
How is this on the batteries?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

Pete,
I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35.  I 
have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries.  Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v 
refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini.
But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes 
to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and 
Decker toaster oven on board.  We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve 
never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards.
Overall, I’m pretty happy with it.  We have used the charger function when the 
boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V 
adapter on the shore power cable..
Chuck Gilchrest
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA
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Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter

I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter 
with lithium batt capabilities.

There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable 
resources to review or recommendations?

Thanks,

Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I agree.  Victron products work well.

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:03:39 AM
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Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

FWIW, I went with Vitron with separate units for inverter and charger based on 
my electrician's recommendation.

Joel

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:56 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Heart, now Xantrex seems to dominate as far as I know.
I have had one of each, worked fine. The older ones were not true Sine Wave, 
which meant that you had to run your microwave about twice as long as at the 
dock.
I think they are all now true sine wave, at least that is what I would want. I 
think, as I have no experience with those.

There, that comment was worth about what you paid for it.

Bill Coleman
Snowy Erie PA

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter 
with lithium batt capabilities.



There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable 
resources to review or recommendations?



Thanks,


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

One consideration.  If you  are producing  1000 watts and you can only put a 
500 watt load into from 2 sets of solar panels batts your daily power storage 
potential will be drastically impaired.  To avoid lithium / agm mix issues I 
run separate chargers to the lithium house bank and agm  start blank.  
Basically, lithium house bank gets all the solar output from 2 Victron 30 amp x 
100v controllers connected to 2 sets of 4x 150 watt panels for freezer and 
refer.  They draw about 2,000 watts when both are starting, I have a 3,000 watt 
inverter to avoid “peak” demand brown out.  I turn both freezer and refer off 
overnight.   Freezer bottom is filled with gallon jugs of water.  This mass 
keeps things cold overnight.  Refer freezer compartment is full of ice cube 
trays.  These keep refer cool overnight and refreeze during the day, even in 
100* weather.  My boat is on the  Baja in the Sea of Cortez.
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:30:41 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

Pete - when I researched this there were very few that had a lithium-specific 
output, however the AGM charge profile was recommended.  (Lithium specific may 
not be necessary)
This was useful because I could use my existing charger, which offers 3 charge 
profiles, but cannot simultaneously charge multiple types - you can’t mix.   I 
was planning a lithium house bank and an agm start battery.
I had decided an inverter/charger was not in scope because I did not wish to 
support higher wattage AC appliances, and also because the chargers and typical 
associated infrastructure were expensive and overkill for my needs. (It 
logically ends up being sized as a system, and my boat is relatively small - a 
33 mark ii.)
There are those who will insist that a lithium bank warrants a high-current 
charger since the lithium bank can charge at a faster rate, suggesting that you 
don’t get the full benefit of the lithium bank otherwise.   This is a spendy 
slope and imho flawed logic - my car is capable of very high speeds, however I 
don’t drive at 200km/hr to justify the purchase.  I don’t need or want to. 
If you need to charge extra fast at a quick marina pit-stop then that’s 
different.
All This to say that as I noodled a similar upgrade I came around to sticking 
with my old xantrex charger - I think it will do three banks at 20a each. The 
whole system works better than I could have hoped and I never looked back.
Dave 33-2

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 wrote:



I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter 
with lithium batt capabilities.



There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable 
resources to review or recommendations?



Thanks,

Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have an angel grinder that works off 1500 watt inverter and 12volt battery 
that I feel is essential for cutting chain, cable or other potential  hazards.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

I agree with much of what has been suggested.
 I disagree on the Klein screwdriver.  I prefer the Lutz style where the all 
the tips are visible all the time.
https://www.amazon.com/Lutz-21001-Ratchet-Screwdriver-Blue/dp/B00ZKQ8BJQ/ref=sr_1_35?crid=26LURHODN4JV0=multi+tip+screwdriver=1668109274=multi+tip+screwdriver%2Caps%2C82=8-35

 I also have a set of Alden wrenches that I love as I don't need to know the 
size of the head/nut I am trying to loosen.  Not for really stuck nuts where 
shear power is needed, but great in tight spaces and for many less demanding 
applications.
https://www.suncoasttools.com/crm/VendorPages.aspx?Vendor=AldenWrenches

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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On Nov 9, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Basics:
Tapes- Silicone repair, electrical/rigging and duct.
For screwdrivers a Klein 11 in 1 and 4:1 stubby, #3 phillips and large flat 
blade
Channel locks, adjustable wrenches and box wrenches, SAE and metric, allen 
wrenches SAE nd metric
Crimpers Strippers
Battery powered multi tool and drill, dremel
Strap wrench
sockets, SAE and metric
and David's coat hanger!

Joel

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:34 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Do  not forget the most important one...

Wire Coat Hanger

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

I carry a lot of tools, but did cull some of them after the first season, as 
many were duplicates which came with the boat but were of inferior quality, or 
were badly corroded.

I have a large plastic toolbox with: complete screwdriver set (plus a good 
multi tip driver), (3 each of standard, philips and roberston, plus roberston 
#0 for small trim screws). Complete wrench set both metric and SAE in a wrap. A 
wrap of custom made wrenches for the boat, made for hard to access bits on the 
engine, supplied by PO. Needle nose pliers, channel locks, side cutters, 
crescent wrenches. Several metal files, hacksaw with spare metal cutting 
blades. Set of allen keys. Small hammer. Tap and die set with common sizes 
(full set I leave at home).

In addition, I have a decent sized ratchet set in a case with 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2" 
drive sockets both metric and SAE up to 22mm, along with torx and hex sockets.

I also have 3 plastic bins with electrical tools (meter, soldering iron, 
crimpers, etc), connectors and wire, although could probably cull down to one, 
but I always seem to have several minor electrical mods on the todo list. I 
would rate this category *very* highly, as it takes very little space, but can 
make the difference when something electrical goes wrong.

I also have a set of 18V tools (circular saw, recip saw, drill, hammer drill, 
flashlight) that I use for projects, but keep only the drill and light aboard 
when sailing. Good set of drill bits as well.

Spare parts for nearly everything: starter, alternator, engine belts, water 
pump, impellers, glow plugs, engine coolant premixed, zincs for engine and 
shaft, macerator pump, water pressure pump. Large assortment of SS fasteners, 
shackles, etc.

We have an electric dinghy motor which charges off solar, and the battery is 
capable of starting the main engine in the event of total battery failure. So 
far, I've only had to use it to jump start the car after leaving it for several 
months... :)

Depends on where you sail, but we are often out 4-6 weeks at 

Stus-List Re: Water Heater?'s

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have bought numerous boat items from Amazon with good delivery and warranty 
service, even in Mexico!  One caution, avoid item shipped from China.

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Subject: Stus-List Water Heater?'s


My 4 yr old water heater started leaking as I was filling it for the first time 
this year.  It is a 6 gal. Seaward [Whale] unit and only connected to the 
engine coolant circuit [no A/C on board, just 12 V]



Planning to replace it with the same unit as that “should” be the easiest / 
quickest. Two questions for the group:



1] The heater comes in galvanized steel and white epoxy versions.  The latter 
is more $ but is it worth it from a corrosion or other standpoint?   It is not 
visible so aesthetics are not important.



2]  Found both units on Amazon for less than Defender and other distributors.  
Has anyone bought parts / equipment from Amazon Marine?  Usually Amazon 
delivers when they indicate, but I ordered some ink for a home printer and it 
still has not been delivered after 8 weeks.



Thanks,

Brian



Ps – Very sad news about Rob.  Amazing how a “simple” fall can cause a cascade 
of events.  Not much comfort, but at least it was tangentially boating related…

Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

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I have had new pump pressure switch failure occur shortly after installation.

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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

And not to beat a dead horse, but as I mentioned B4, I had no luck with the 
t;ypical pumps available, and once I went with the Johnson, all my problems 
went away. Maybe they have a better designed check valve.

Bill Coleman

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:07 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Good thoughts.  I can see in my tanks and there is not any significant amount 
of sludge.  I also have a strainer that was already in the line just before the 
pump.  The pump came with one, but I elected to leave the existing one in 
place.  I cleaned the filter and there was not much there.   Dave

David Knecht
Rear Commodore
Thames Yacht Club
New London, CT



On Sep 6, 2022, at 2:21 PM, Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

If you have that much sludge, you may want to consider an in-line strainer.  I 
have one between my bilgewater intake and my diaphragm bilge pump, and I know 
I’ve saved the pump from a lot of crud.  My strainer is simple and looks like 
the product at the link below, but as I recall it was made by a company with a 
marine presence (like Forespar or Surflow).  Very easy to install and clean 
periodically.

1/2 Inches Water Pump Strainer, Compatible with 3/8 Inches Hose Barb In-Line 
Strainer Twist-On Pipe Sprayer Filter for Water Pump 12V DC 80 PSI RV Camper 
Marine Boat Lawn (1): Amazon.com: Industrial & 
Scientific

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

Maybe you have a lot of sludge in your tank, I often put a hose on the far end 
of my water system and run a couple tanks out into the slip to clean it up.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 1:17 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
It looks like the pump version was not the problem.  I will confirm tomorrow, 
but according to Defender, I did indeed purchase the pressure limited version 
of the pump.  I don’t think they even sell the non-pressure limited version.  
The response I got from Jabsco/Xylem customer support said to do this:

The problem with your pump is the Check Valve. What you would need to do is too 
clean it. Take the six screws out they would are Long then Short in size; the 
pump will come part in two pieces the motor and lower housing as one piece and 
the pump head; once you spread the two pieces apart the check valve will 
usually fall out by itself. The check valve looks like a triangle with suction 
cups in each corner on one side and the other side theirs a rubber diaphragm in 
the center; that are machine press in(Take a picture of the check valve “Both 
Sides”). Take the check valve and place it in a bucket of warm water wait a 
couple of minutes. While the check valve is soaking; take the head where the 
suction and the discharge hose hookup and rotate and look inside. You will see 
a circle in the center a 1/8” edge; take a wet towel and wipe off that edge 
(Front, Back and Top Edge). Take the Check Valve when it’s submerged pick it up 
and slush it back and forth in the bucket of water for a couple of minutes 
(While Submerged). This should clear all the particles. Place the check valve 
back into the Head of the pump and put it back together. 90% of the time your 
pump will be back to normal.

Seems excessive for a brand new pump but I guess I will have to try it.
Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

Stus-List Re: C Steak Rub

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Montreal steal seasoning is my recommendation.  I saw someone recommended 
liquid smoke.  Be careful with this.  More than a drop will leave a bitter 
after taste.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 3:58:59 PM
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Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C Steak Rub

Melt butter; put the s and worcestershire in it.  Paint it on.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 03:51:39 PM CDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Okay, so Stu doesn't sell a C brand steak rub.  I wanted to make it "list 
legal".  :)  List traffic has been light so here's a new thread.

Although I'm usually happy with just Worcestershire sauce, salt and pepper on 
my boat steaks, occasionally I like to amp up the flavor profile.

I've tried a number of store bought steak rubs, McCormick, Weber, etc.  Here in 
Louisiana the humidity causes them to set up into a lump when stored on the 
boat.  I even keep them in a plastic zipper bag.  One rub I use, Bolners Fiesta 
Hamburger Deluxe, stays loose and shakeable for whatever reason.

Any suggestions on a steak rub that wouldn't clump up?

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Classic pressure switch problem.  I wasted countless hours an $$$ with Jabsco 
pumps.  Recommend you try a different manufacture.  Many cheaper, more reliable 
options on Amazon.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 8:41:35 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

Did you liberally purge it?  If it has any air in it, it will continue to run.  
Run several gallons through it and then check it.

Barring that, the pressure switch may need adjusting.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 9:40 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I am back to working on the freshwater pump problem.  I replaced the old pump 
(unknown age) with the same model Jabsco ParMax 1 that had failed and now it is 
pressurizing the system, so the old pump was definitely the problem.  However, 
the new pump will not shut off, even if left for extended time.  I can find no 
water or air leaks and the system stays pressurized enough to get water from 
the sink days after running the pump, so it does not seem to have a leak on the 
outlet side.  I am stumped as to why it will not shut off.  Suggestions?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Bed-It butyl tape

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Defender, Fisheries Supply in Seattle?

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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Bed-It butyl tape


Have you tried the West Marine version?

Also RV shops are known to stock some versions of this.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina



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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:07 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bed-It butyl tape



Looking to buy a new roll of Bed-it butyl tape.  Anybody buy it recently?



Seems the old supplier has a dead end link to "sailboatowners.com".



I tried a few google searches but they were all dead ends except one selling a 
roll for $40.  I have a roll from SailRite that is crap.  It was fine when new, 
but after some months onboard this summer, it's now a real struggle to remove 
from it's own wax paper and stretches and breaks.  Had to use a putty knife to 
get the wax paper off.



Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis

Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I have never greased it (5 yrs)  and I doubt the prior owner did.  
Sounds like a good place to start.  How did you install the zerk fitting?

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From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:15:10 PM
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Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so 
way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then inspect rudder for 
irregularities, cutless bearing and shaft, propeller, etc. He'll have to haul 
boat for all that. Could look at shaft, coupler, and seal from inside boat. 
Maybe watch from down below while someone drives at 3000 rpm?
Jeff Laman

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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 4:03:18 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble


I didn’t know the 34 came with a tiller option.  My 1978 34 had a wheel, as 
does every other 34 I’ve ever seen (about a half dozen or so).  Interesting.



Given that the wobble corresponds to RPMs, I would not guess it’s a tiller or 
rudder grease issue.  I’m no expert, but it sounds more like a prop shaft strut 
or cutless bearing issue.  Did you by chance have a dock line sucked into your 
prop before the vibration started?



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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble



My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.

Korbey, SV Oz



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Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

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Thanks.  I have never added grease.  Not sure where to put it.

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From: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:28:11 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Re: Tiller wobble

Korbey,
Try filling the rudder shaft tube full of waterproof grease.  Most recommend 
"Green Grease" but I have been using "Corrosion Block Waterproof Grease" (it's 
blue...).  My 81 C has a grease cup, but I and others have added a grease 
fitting to the cup to pump the tube full.  I just did mine yesterday -- rudder 
started to move a little more than usual under sail on Thursday in 2 to 3 ft 
seas.  Grease always puts a stop to it.  Friday sail in similar conditions with 
no rudder movement.  I fill the tube about twice a summer. Have never 
experienced the wobble while motoring, but then I don't ever go as high as 3000 
rpms.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington, MI
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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.
Korbey, SV Oz

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Stus-List Tiller wobble

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My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.
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24v lithium are available

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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 10:55:43 AM
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Why do you need the DC-DC Charger?
I am thinking about this too. I need to replace my Heart Inverter/Charger, so 
there is that. I have fairly new Balmer Regulators, so I am pretty sure they 
have a lithium battery setting.
Also, I am on 24 Volt, so if it is available would there be an advantage to 
using 24V instead of putting 12V in series?

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:13 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

My battery charger does have a lithium setting, so that part is covered.

What I don’t have is the DC-DC charger I’ll need to charge lithium from the 
engine bank.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina



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Why not just get a solar panel and some AGM batteries? Lithium requires new 
charger, AGM profile for charging is often available on legacy chargers.



On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 6:28 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

To add to my fun it was about sunset and my batteries are about shot. I had 16 
miles to go and didn’t want run on battery power, so digging through my spare 
belts it turns out they were all too short ☹ I had to swap alternators back to 
the one that uses the shorter belts, so a 10 minute job became quite a bit 
longer.

I think I need to quit researching lithium batteries for the 25th time and just 
pick one!





Joe Della Barba

Coquina

Stus-List Re: Non- Gooey VHF handheld

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Did you handle Deet / mosquito repellent with radio.  It will soften some 
plastics.  Try cleaning it with acetone before you pitch it.

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I am afraid I'm going to have to ditch my standard horizon 850 handheld. It has 
gotten so gooey, I can't stand to touch it, not to mention any place I leave 
it, it leaves gooey stuff. I blame the company for outsourcing to China. I 
wonder if anybody has a handheld that they feel the rubber is of a decent 
quality that it won't go to hell in a hand basket in a few years? I'm kind of 
looking for a mid-grade, maybe like an Icon m73 plus? I like the idea of being 
able to repeat the last minute of audio, as I have gotten so accustomed to 
backing up on my TV when I can't hear something clearly.

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery

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I have same in my 34 C  2 batts for house and one for start.  With a 1, 2 
all switch you can use the house bank (1) on the hook and know the start bank 
(2) is isolated.  Switch to all when the engine is started and all 3 batts will 
charge.  I bought a Noco sealed 10 amp charger for the dock.  I do not have any 
high use appliances.  I do have a 1200 watt inverter wired direct to the house 
bank.   It is sometimes used for coffee grinder.

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Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:35:32 AM
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If you “separate” the batteries with a 1-2-ALL switch like we have on our 
boats, you can control which battery gets used. If you have only drawn from one 
battery, your recharge time will be like it is now.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

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This is how my C is set up and how it came when I bought it.  I added 
charger, with 2 bank capacity.  One side of the charger gets the two house, and 
the other side of the charger goes to start.  Works fine.  But, as noted, 
charging the house takes a longer.  I have debated whether to do away with the 
2nd house battery since the boat does not consume that much power -- 
instruments and auto pilot.  All lights are LED now.  Stereo use is at dock 
only.

Jeff Laman
81 C "Harmony"
Ludington, MI

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Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 10:13 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery

Assuming you simply want to double your storage capacity, put the batteries 
side by side, wire positive to positive and
negative to negative.  You now have 12 volts with 2ce the ampacity.  Others may 
offer some advice on charging...but
I think you should be reasonably ok, except it will take a bunch longer to 
charge as you have 2ce the capacity that you
need to fill.

On 2022-07-04 10:41, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

Actually is for an RV but I can think of no better place to get answer to this 
type of question than this list.



Came with one group 27 deep cycle battery.  Wish to add a second and have been 
told that nothing needs to change re the charging systems, etc …  What is 
involved in adding a second group 27 battery?



Thanks



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS


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Cheers,
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  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: vented loops

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Good to do an acid soak every few years.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:19:34 PM
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Subject: Stus-List vented loops

Learned the hard way how to test vented loops.

I was changing engine hoses and came upon an original, 33 year old, bronze, 
vented loop for the engine cooling water.  It's located between the heat 
exchanger and the injection elbow of the exhaust riser.  It's purpose is to 
break a siphon and prevent water flooding the engine and the boat when the 
engine is off.  Mine was filled with scale and no longer operational.

The following comes from info included with a new Forespar vented loop.  To 
test a vented loop, you blow air through the vent from outside into the tubing, 
through the "duck bill" rubber thing, and that's it.  If air won't penetrate, 
it's clogged and should be cleaned.  If the thing leaks, it probably needs 
cleaning or a new rubber duck bill.

I replaced the Forespar rubber duckbill, $15, on my bilge pump hose and I 
replaced the entire loop fitting $44 on the engine hose using a Forespar 5/8" 
vented loop.  Now both of my vented loops use the same duckbill vent and have 
the same size retaining nut so a simple clear two foot length of 3/4" hose can 
be pushed over the fitting to facilitate testing either vented loop.

I have to add that I never had a problem in twenty years of ownership and 
ingnored these items until I started replacing hoses.  I'd be glad to hear 
anyone else's ideas on this.

Chuck S

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

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Good to know.  Ill check my 30 hp Yanmar.  Last sumner running at WOT for 1/2 
hour the motor shut down.  It restarted easily and ran fine.  I cleaned the 
fuel strainer but found no issues.  Ill replace the air filter.

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Good to hear.   How the heck did the old one get that clogged?   Bad decade for 
mosquitoes?

Dave



On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 at 22:19, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

While I awaited another day for a marine mechanic to get around to
addressing my engine problem, while on the boat today, I thought of
something.I had a new Yanmar air filter on the boat which I got last
year, which I thought what harm could a new air filter dochanged out
the old one and replaced with new one, and guess what, in neutral, the
engine revived up to 3,400 before i stoppedran the engine in forward
gear at the slip for another 20 minutes shut the engine
off...started again...revved up and downengine works as it should.

The problem was a lack of airexplains where the smoke was coming
fromincomplete combustion...now, with the new air filter, no smoke.

Thanks to everyone for thoughts/possibilities of what might be the cause
of my engine issue.

Going for a sail tomorrow.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

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Is the prop clean?

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From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 5:58:50 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

Josh:

Revived the engine at the slip out of gear (neutral)same result, tack goes 
up to +2,100  RPM's .providing more throttle does not increase the RPM's.   
Pretty sure the tack is working just from the sound of the engine and maximum 
hull speed it could attain (maybe 4 knots)

Yes, getting black smoke especially just after starting the engine and reviving 
it a bitthen it stops.

Boat can not motor up to hull speed right now at 2,100 RPM's.

All good tips and very helpful however I am leaving it in the hands of the 
marine mechanic.  I asked him to address this problem and give the engine a 
thorough inspection.  He said he would get to it today.fingers crossed.

Rob

On 2022-06-26 11:50 p.m., Josh wrote:
You should also try to rev the engine with it out of gear.  If it has the same 
problem of reaching full RPM then fuel and air delivery are nearly to only 
possible culprits.

A bad or weak governor spring would be indicated by an engine that has a 
tendency to over speed or hunt.  Pulling the throttle faster applies pressure 
to open the fuel rack and provide more fuel.  More fuel create more RPM and the 
governor the creates a feedback force that resists the fuel rack.  The governor 
tries to slow the engine whereas the throttle tries to speed it up.  Without 
the governor the engine will tend to race, have high RPM, limited throttle 
control, and is lively to overspreed.

When you get to 2100 RPM do you get heave black smoke?  If you do the engine is 
getting plenty of fuel but not enough air.  Have you checked or simply removed 
the air cleaner?  When was the last time the backlash was checked on the 
lifters.  I can walk you through it if you don't know.

If you're not getting black smoke, are you getting any change in smoke?

Are you getting a correlating loss of power or stumbling?  Or is it just not 
going faster?  Was it not able to push the boat at normal full speed.  Are you 
confident in the accuracy of the RPM gage.  You can get a laser tach from 
Amazon for less than $20 to confirm the RPM.

As the high pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors age they have springs that 
get weak.  Weak pump springs will allow the tappets to "float" and not achieve 
a full intake stroke of fuelcausing a low fuel condition resulting in lower 
RPM.  If the injectors are dirty or have weak springs they won't achieve full 
fuel pressure before injection and may even leak a small amount into the 
cylinder before TDC.  This is probably good more likely to cause detonation 
(ping or knock), not exacly low RPM but none the less is sub optimum operation.

Have you checked the oil for fuel dilution?  The fuel lift pump is driven off a 
cam and if the diaphragm cracks or tears it will leak fuel into the crank case. 
 This may also let crankcase pressure into the high pressure fuel 
pump...reducing fuel delivery and RPM.  Pull the dip stick, drop some oil on a 
paper towel.  Smell it for diesel smell.  Wait and observe for a halo.  
Especially if you have red diesel the halo is seen as the clearish red halo 
around the black oil spot.

If all of that checks.  Then you need to get a little more invasive.  A 
compression check is in order.  I can walk you through it and provide 
parts(tools).  It is definitely doable as DIY but you got some investigation to 
do first.  Let me know.  Reach out with a PM and we can talk.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
:

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

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I have had good service from Rule pumps with an integral float switch for 20 
years and multiple problems with external switches.

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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:33:06 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

Randy,

I've never been fond of automatic bilge pumps.  I much prefer a separate pump 
and float switch.  I recommend the Ultra Safety Systems Junior bilge pump 
switch.  Pricey but worth it, IMHO.

I replaced several Rule float switches before I finally spent the extra $$ for 
the USS pump.  On the other hand, Touche's Rule 1500 bilge pump has been 
working for over two decades.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hey Listers,

What are your favorite bilge pumps?

I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed experiences 
with their reliability.

I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a float 
switch, but I could relent on that.

Thanks,
Randy

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Stus-List Re: Bluetti Portable Power Station

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I have a Blue Sea 4 way switch with #4 position connected to inverter.  It 
works well.  Also.  Panels should be connected to a controller with a breaker 
or fuse.

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Hi All,
Just to throw another idea out there.
I've just bought a Bluetti AC2000p and plan on hooking up my 4 100w solar 
panels directly to it. then using a Blue Sea Systems AC Rotary Switch "Off + 
Shore Power + Generator Positions" to wire it to my AC panel.
The Bluetti has a built-in charge controller and inverter. This way I can keep 
my house and start banks as is. Maybe not the most inexpensive route but seems 
simple enough.
Am I missing anything? Anybody done something similar?
Thanks
Kevin

https://www.bluettipower.ca/products/bluetti-ac200p-2000wh-2000w
https://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=7642=Cj0KCQjwnNyUBhCZARIsAI9AYlEA3QxjkDbzzJz0klNKjTzJErirJGzSOarToU-nisyA2bS-z6-ySKMaAhMdEALw_wcB

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1985 Landfall 43
Midland ON.

Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

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I use a propane flash heater.  Connect to freshwater and hang on back deck.  
Infinite hot water.

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It gets better the more time you spend on the boat.

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Well at some point, hopefully it does! This year was a big one.



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Geez John – it never ends :(



John Read



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thanks



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I think that Kuuma are the closest as a direct replacement, but they don’t last 
too long. Depending on how you use your boat, you may want to consider a water 
heater with a stainless tank. I installed an ISO-Temp heater (they are now part 
of the Webasto group). They come with the temperature regulating valve and they 
are supposed to be quite reliable. But the cost is usually a bit higher.



Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON



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Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water 
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely 
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!



It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is 
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is now 
the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these? Thanks.



John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Batteries again

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Yes.  I plan to make my house bank lithium next fall.  It will isolated and 
solar charged.

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My batteries are pretty well shot, so this is all good info for me as well. I 
always liked gels myself, but they are getting pretty hard to find now.

I have been getting pretty tempted to go for a 300ah lithium, it will fit right 
in and give me a TON more amp-hours. If I go that way I am going to swap the 
alternator cable to the start battery and use a DC-DC charger for the house 
bank. One perhaps not appreciated feature of lithium batteries is that they are 
“stiff”, you maintain around 12.8 volts most of the way to being dead. 
Wednesday morning I went to check into the Waterway Net and the SSB wasn’t real 
happy to be seeing 12.4 volts, this would not be an issue with a lithium bank 
unless it was down to its very last bit of juice.



Joe

Coquina



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I highly recommend Lifeline group 31



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There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker.

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store ??

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







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I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457



>From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
>110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
>brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  
>Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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It gets better the more time you spend on the boat.

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Well at some point, hopefully it does! This year was a big one.



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Geez John – it never ends :(



John Read



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thanks



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I think that Kuuma are the closest as a direct replacement, but they don’t last 
too long. Depending on how you use your boat, you may want to consider a water 
heater with a stainless tank. I installed an ISO-Temp heater (they are now part 
of the Webasto group). They come with the temperature regulating valve and they 
are supposed to be quite reliable. But the cost is usually a bit higher.



Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON



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Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater.



Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water 
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely 
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!



It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is 
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is now 
the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these? Thanks.



John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

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I highly recommend Lifeline group 31

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 9:40:31 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again


There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker.

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store ??

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:25 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Batteries again



I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457



>From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
>110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
>brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  
>Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: Finishing on 1990 30-2 companion way stairs

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I use Olde English scratch coat on scratched or light spots.  I blend it in 
with green scrubber pad and Watco oil.  It really blends well.  You can find it 
in the cleaning section at Home Depot.  Use the dark brand.

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From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 7:46:45 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Finishing on 1990 30-2 companion way stairs


Still have original oiled teak interior.  Every spring wipe stairs and entire 
interior with lemon oil furniture polish.   Let sink in.  Wipe dry with clean 
soft cloth.  Does wonders to clean the teak and smells great.  Prevents mold 
and removes any that may have formed.  Usually do it on a warmish sunny day in 
February or March when cover is still on with tunes on the radio.  Boat 
interior is comfortable and whole job takes 2 afternoons.



John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

Stus-List Re: Propane Stove Solenoid

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Easy to check solenoid.  Try checking power to the solenoid.  Clean 
connections.  You should hear a clunk sound when activated.  Also.  There may 
be a gas detection safety panel instalked that needs investigation.

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From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 1:16:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Propane Stove Solenoid

There should be two propane switches - one on the electrical panel (a circuit 
breaker) and one near the stove. Flip on the circuit breaker and have someone 
listen to the solenoid while you flip the switch near the stove. If the 
solenoid is working, make sure you have enough gas in the cylinder. Is there a 
pressure gauge? How much pressure is there? Beginning of the season, I always 
top off the propane. Try that. Next turn on the gas at the stove, and listen 
for gas flowing. Finally, try lighting the stove using a match instead of using 
the starter swtitch at the stove. Remember, if the stove hasn't been used in a 
long time, it might take a while for gas to run from the cylinder to the stove.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Todd Williams via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Like many of us, I am excited to get Indigo Out We Go back into the waters of 
Lake Ontario in about a month!!! She is a 1980 C 34 that we bought last year. 
She is a great boat for us because she was stored inside in the off season but 
many of her accessories were not functioning, leading to a good financial deal 
for us.

One of those accessories is the propane stove and oven. I can’t get the stove 
to light. It feels to me like there is gas in the 3 pound cylinder and the gas 
lines look intact. I have the solenoid switch turned on. Could it be that the 
solenoid has failed? Or is there some other likely trouble in the system?

This isn’t a huge deal because I bought a transom mount propane grill (summer 
cooking is cooler outside) and I bring my white gas backpacking stove on our 
multi day adventures.

Thanks in advance for the wisdom,

TODD
Sodus Bay, NY

Stus-List Re: USCG flares vs electronic devices

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I think they are a great compliance insurance solution.  One time $60 purchase 
and a couple of spare C battery cells.  We all have plenty of expired flares 
for the real event if it happens.  You can buy on Amazon.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 12:06 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: USCG flares vs electronic devices

Joe,

I think you're totally wrong on the electronic SOS flares.  At the first sight 
of one, Bubba will put down his beer, crank up his party barge and zoom to your 
rescue. /S

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 9:36 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The electronic “flares” are a cheap way to be in compliance, but if you 
actually think you might need help they aren’t even remotely close to SOLAS 
flares. The strobes are probably going to be ignored by everyone,

Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Spring Checklist

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Mine says USCG approved nightime beacon. We all carry loads of outdated flares. 
 This just keeps you legal.

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From: Donald Kern via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 7:19:13 AM
To: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Cc: Donald Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Spring Checklist

Chuck

I believe the new electronic flares are acceptable as long as it carries the 
USCG approval stamp.  Of course that is the most expensive one available

Don


On 3/29/2022 9:24 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:
Hi Korbey,
I read that battery operated flares were excellent devices and getting very 
popular but USCG were not accepting them as basic requirement, because they 
require batteries that can die at any time.  I read you can carry the battery 
flares, but you still need to still carry the old style flares onboard to pass 
inspection.  Has that changed?

Chuck S


On 03/29/2022 3:34 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Re replacement flares.  You can now buy a USCG approved battery operated strobe 
light on Amazon that replaces flares.  It does not expire though routine 
battery replacement is required.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
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Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 12:37:58 PM
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Cc: Stu <mailto:stu.mur...@post.com>; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Spring Checklist

Printed me a copy of Stu's Spring checklist already.  It's a big help.  Thanks, 
Stu

Bought new flares at Walmart.  Mine expired 2020.  New ones are only good for 
three years.

Chuck S


> On 03/27/2022 2:05 PM Stu via CnC-List 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Spring is here and it will soon be sailing season (well for some
> people).  Don't forget to get your copy of the Spring Checklist - it is
> a lot easier than trying to remember.
>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcncphotoalbum.com%2FSpring_Checklist.pdfdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0ab90b2576d740bf76c408da102963fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637840067196951639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=lXsyXp9BXgiEim0vZswRKXmKoVk%2B5IISICbOnlKbqvI%3Dreserved=0<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcncphotoalbum.com%2FSpring_Checklist.pdf=04%7C01%7C%7Ccea5a8e201444126d34c08da118f1e36%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637841603633757288%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=KbkimABU9%2FSPGptfPEMohi8NJ2iTstvVibMYR%2Fc21%2Fg%3D=0>
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> Stu

Stus-List Re: Spring Checklist

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Re replacement flares.  You can now buy a USCG approved battery operated strobe 
light on Amazon that replaces flares.  It does not expire though routine 
battery replacement is required.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 12:37:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Stu ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Spring Checklist

Printed me a copy of Stu's Spring checklist already.  It's a big help.  Thanks, 
Stu

Bought new flares at Walmart.  Mine expired 2020.  New ones are only good for 
three years.

Chuck S


> On 03/27/2022 2:05 PM Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> Spring is here and it will soon be sailing season (well for some
> people).  Don't forget to get your copy of the Spring Checklist - it is
> a lot easier than trying to remember.
>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcncphotoalbum.com%2FSpring_Checklist.pdfdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0ab90b2576d740bf76c408da102963fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637840067196951639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=lXsyXp9BXgiEim0vZswRKXmKoVk%2B5IISICbOnlKbqvI%3Dreserved=0
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> Stu

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Vlean with Oxalic acid and apply wax.

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From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 10:25:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my
24. It has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the
transom, so now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and
more of a discolored patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the
season to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out
this coming winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area
down with after each outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it
is). Maybe something  as simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue
in nine months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Storm damaged marina? Are you liable?

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Well, that certainly adds insult to injury

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 8:57 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Storm damaged marina? Are you liable?

I may have posted this before but a new development has occurred.

I had Touche' in a marina in Pensacola during Hurricane Sally in September 
2020.  The boat was in a slip on a floating pier well up Bayou Chico.  
Similarly constructed piers are advertised as being safe for Category 3 storms. 
 Although it was properly secured, Touche' sustained moderate damage during the 
storm.

Subsequent to the storm, I, and several other owners of boats moored on this 
pier, received letters from the marina's legal counsel informing us that OUR 
boats had damaged THEIR pier and that we were liable for damages in excess of 
$15,000.  Another marina in the Pensacola area which was destroyed has also 
sent letters advising liability to their tenant boatowners.  The new 
development: another owner informed me that he had gotten a letter last week 
raising the liability to $57,000.  I have not received a similar letter.

Based on my personal post-storm inspection of the pier, here's what I believe 
occurred.  The marina allowed a LARGE power catamaran to be moored on my pier.  
During the storm, this vessel apparently broke loose.  I observed the cleats to 
which I believe the vessel's stern lines were attached were missing, having 
been ripped from the dock.  When it broke loose it apparently pulled the main 
portion of my pier and caused extensive structural damage to the pier.  Namely, 
all the attached finger piers became tilted and/or broke loose from the main 
pier.  Several boats which were moored in the slips were damaged as a result.  
It is my belief that had the catamaran not broken loose, Touche' would have 
weathered the strorm unscathed.

Although this legal action may be a standard procedure in order for the marinas 
to establish contributory/shared liabilities for insurance purposes, it can be 
stressful for boat owners.  My marina required me to list them as co-insured so 
this issue is basically between the marina and my insurance provider now.  If I 
receive another letter, I'll just forward it to my insurance provider like I 
did with the first one.  My insurance provider basically told them to pound 
sand.

Just advising the list.  You might want to contact your insurance provider.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

If you get to Puerto Escondido look me up.  Im on Darlin here in the elipse.  I 
keep a 34 C in Ketchikan, AK.

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From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 6:54:03 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug 
Subject: Stus-List Fun in the sun

Just thought I should update this list as ti my current "residence". Rebecca 
Leah and I are currently sailing in the Sea of Cortez. I lest home in late 
August and have not looked back. Not sure what summer time will bring. Whether 
it is another boat back in the PNW, or an air-conditioned plot of land here in 
México.



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
Port Orchard, WA
Somewhere in México.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu