What kind of engine and transmission?That will be important for us to help you
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That actually seems to make sense, as we moved some of the exhaust hose around
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Kracor however will no longer sell to individuals There is a place in Ft.
Lauderdale where you can order the caps and such, but I'm not sure if you can
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Welding the tank is really quite easy, presuming the material is white, semi -
translucent plastic, meaning that it is made of Low Density Polyethelene
(LDPE). I tried the heat-blowing plastic welding kit from Harbor Freight, and
in retrospect would use the one without the fan which looks more
Interesting solution i had not considered! I'll look to see if the fiberglass
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Hi Josh, I was just checking our driveshaft numbers yesterday as I will be
coming out of the watwe at the end of the month and I want to replace the
cutlass bearing then. Our shift measures 1 1/4" as well according to the
survey, an old worn out folding prop in my garage and a measurement I
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I was thinking the same thing, Edd. Where did you get your sample?
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With ours, we use the hose to wash the boat and do other tasks before filling
the water tanks. Even then, we attach an RV filter before filling. We also
have another filter in our water system.Sent from Samsung tablet.
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I've had an Atomic 4 for 20 years and a Yanmar 3JH2E in a different boat for 4.
The Atomic 4 is definitely quieter, and as long as you take care of it (which
is easy since you are on fresh water), I'd keep the A-4. That's presuming
you've gone to the electronic ignition and done basic
Hi Edd, I still want to get down and see Enterprise soon!We leave ours in
dehumidify mode.Aftermarket dehumidifiers that would drain into the sink would
likely be more efficient, but take a lot of space.Bruce Sent from Samsung
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suggested. It gets the best of both worlds. You absolutely make valid
points about the weaknesses of centrifugal pumps.Josh On Tue, Jun 23, 2020,
22:53 bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote:I hate disagreeing
with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. But my opinion is that if you
need volume
What is your pitch and diameter on your FlexoFold, what can you get at 2800
RPM, and what is the shaft size? I am likely going down that road in the next
few week, and if you have the 37+, want to make sure I have real life
examples.ThanksBruce Whitmore Sent from Samsung tablet.
I hate disagreeing with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. But my
opinion is that if you need volume pumping, something is dramatically wrong.
If you're not on the boat, it will sink anyway. If you're on the boat, it may
give you more time to find the leak, but my centrifugal pumps
I went with a Whale Gulper for both bilge pumps with rule floating switches.
I tried the water Witch and twice had it running way after shut down should
have occurred. I don't trust them to turn off appropriately.Sent from Samsung
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Original message From: Matt Wolford
That's exactly what happened. Took his thumb off the throttle and lost
steering.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Island marine police, and even the bridge tender has agreed to provide a
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full of sh*t.I hope no one was hurt.JoelOn Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:33 AM
bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote:Hello all,We were going
into John's Pass in Florida and got rear-ended by a jetski. Looks like about
$20,000 in damage. The jetski rental company is saying we have to deal
Hello all,We were going into John's Pass in Florida and got rear-ended by a
jetski. Looks like about $20,000 in damage. The jetski rental company is
saying we have to deal with the renter, because they signed a release of
liability.Of course, I'm not a party to that agreement, and I believe
ing to be said about the oil in 2
stroke fuel helping to prevent evaporation and the formation of deposits. Who
knows.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MDOn Sat, Jun 13, 2020,
10:16 bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote:I don't agree, at
least here in the U.S. that premium gas
I don't agree, at least here in the U.S. that premium gas doesn't have ethanol
in it. There are, however, gas stations that have a pump reserved for
non-ethanol gas. Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Interesting and informative story, Rick. Thanks for sharing.Bruce Sent from
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We have a torqeedo and a Mecury 6 hp 4 stroke, both from the prior owner of our
boat, so I've compared them side-by-side. The 6 hp can get our 10 ft.
PortaBote up on plane 13 kts., and with a separate tank has a really, really
long run time. Downside? Small gasoline engines require fresh
Hello all,Josh, or Edd, this might be a perfect question for you folks. Where
is the star ground and the shunt located on our C 37/40+ boats? This is a
perfect discussion, as I was having grounding issues of my own and the shunt
and star ground cannot be found behind the circuit breaker
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Time and again
Time and again I have read that Yanmar does not recommend a 2/3 micron primary
filter. I therefore use a 10 micron, and use Biobar, as well as some Seafoam.
I have some old crud in my tank, but where I can see it through the hole for
the sender, the bits I can see are pretty well stuck to
I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more
observations. 1) Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same
properties as the original C material, and I find it goes on much quicker
than stuff in a tube. Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will
There's not enough room to use a puller in most boats. I can't even visualize
how that would work in the boats I've had.Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
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That is exactly the process I used on our 27 MKIII to pull the prop shaft and
replace the cutlass bearing. Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Hello all,I had put a household, battery powered CO detector on our C/40+ a
week or two ago, and got on the boat yesterday only to hear it going off.
Everything was turned off, so I'm reasonably certain we didn't have CO building
up. We do, however, have solar panels, and I'm sure they were
Just used mine yesterday. It's remarkable how quickly it empties a 5 gallon
jerry can all the way to the bottom!I wouldn't do it any other way now.Cheap,
too.BruceSent from Samsung tablet.
Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Date: 5/16/20 10:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
Hello all, another vote for the 37/40+. The shower and the centerline stern
berth. I can post photos later if desired.Bruce Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
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Wow Rob, That gave me goosebumps.Thank you for not doing that to our C!Bruce
Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FLSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
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As for it going into the exhaust, there are two ways. One is through the head
gasket, which should result in steam coming out of the exhaust, and the other
would be through pinhole leaks in the heat exchanger, which with some diesels
is a relatively common occurrence. But yes, check the
Hi Josh,I highly respect your opinion, but on this one I have to differ. Rob
Ball, the designer of many of our boats, dispelled this a number of months
back. If you think about it, the actual amount of weight held by each bolt is
actually quite small in comparison to the compression forces
Hi Edd , I did a similar thing as Josh with an existing Navpod and a Garmin
unit. I don't have photos at the moment but would be happy to chat about how
we did it.Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis "847.404.5092Sent from
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Hi Gary,I have to disagree with you on the comment regarding the hydraulic
drive. I have an Octopus unit, and when it is disengaged, I can feel the water
flowing over the rudder from my prop when under power - it is that sensitive.
For such a large boat, the steering is remarkably
I, like Bryan, went with the Raymarine EV200, and connected it to an existing
Octopus hydraulic ram. It works quite well. I do, however have a complaint
about the remote. It just won't stay charged even when left in the off
position for a week or two. I've already sent it back to Raymarine
That is way too much pressure, and a cable will probably solve the problem.
One way to tell for sure is to go down into the bilge and move the lever by
hand. It really isn't that hard, and in fact, when I had an issue with the
part at the wheel that broke, I got down into the starboard locker
Interesting thought, Gary. I never thought of that, and it makes perfect
sense.Thanks for the insightful idea.Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
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As for the Water Witch, I had a similar experience (only in the opposite way),
The switch would get contaminated and would stay ON, generally a much more
problematic issue.I went back to the Rule flapper float switches. Not a
perfect solution, I will agree.As for having a manual switch, I
Hi Pierre,I was interested in your comment and went to verify it, and found a
huge disparity in results, everything from the 1.14 you mention to as much as
8 gallons per day, and some of those coming from seemingly reputable websites.
Comments anyone?Sent from Samsung tablet.
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I've never seen such a hood/sea anchor arrangement. All the ones I have
encountered have been styrofoam with a yellow or white cover.Sent from my
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Interesting that through this discussion, few have noted any strong evidence or
reason for going with a horseshoe or ring vs. A vastly cheaper throwable
cushion that can serve multiple purposes.Other than apparent Canadian
regulations, and I have no intention of sailing from Tampa to Canada
While I agree with, and respect Josh, having done the steering work on our
37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3 days work
to pull & replace the idler plate. Given your comments about the condition,
you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of
Hello all,So I'm going to mount a propane alarm, and would like to get your
collective wisdom on where the sensor should be located. I know it should be
low, and the two sources of propane would be at the connections in the propane
locker, which should go down the drain overboard. The second
In the U.S, at least, boats can have a y valve that discharges overboard in the
Great Lakes, but the must be shut off and locked off either using a lock or zip
tie. I know this because in Chicago we used to have to have annual inspections
(which in our old 27MKIII showed we had no Y valve at
The loop leads to the seacock out of the hull, not the tank.Just FYI,Bruce Sent
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Hi Edd,Yes, ours has a vented loop and in ours, we can get to it through one of
the medicine cabinets behind the sink. I think it is the middle one. In there
is a small inspection port, and behind that is the loop.I can take a photo over
the weekend if desired.Bruce Whitmore Sent from my
My 94 37/40+ did not seem to be oiled, but rather sealed with lacquer. Using
lacquer thinner and alcohol is enough to soften it/ use it as a remover.
Following the with a furniture scraper or equipment was good enough to allow my
to redcoat with lacquer.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
Great idea, and very attractive!The only question is, my cove stripe is red.
So does that mean I'd have to make it green on the port side? :)Bruce 1994
C/40"Astralis"Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Agreed. Whether it be replacing incandescent bulbs with LEDs in the taillights
of your car or the navigation lights on your boat, you need to put a red bulb
behind a red lens, a green bulb behind a green lens, and a yellow bulb behind
yellow turn signal lenses.Lenses filter all colors except
Rick, I love the idea of the SOLAS tape!Thanks everyone for a lot of great
insights and ideas. I'm going to mull it around for q bit before making a
final decision.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Captain's Log
On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:02 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List
wrote:Sorry, I don't have specs in front of me, but I have a symmetrical I
would be willing to part with from a 37/40+. It has a sock as wellBruce
Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original
Sorry, I don't have specs in front of me, but I have a symmetrical I would be
willing to part with from a 37/40+. It has a sock as wellBruce Whitmore Sent
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Date: 1/30/20 4:33 PM
There is a firm out of Ft. Lauderdale they distribute through.Sent from my
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Kracor will no longer sell to individuals. Not even the caps for the tanks. I
had to get them through the firm in Ft. Lauderdale.Sent from Samsung tablet.
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I replaced ours with one from West Marine due to being an a bit of a rush to
get it fixed. I could have ordered a similar one online for less. Pretty
cheap and it measures fine despite cautions online about having to match sender
impedance.They really are pretty standard units.Bruce
Let me go one further - No matter the knots you tie here and there, nothing
will protect the boat from damaged caused by a flogging jib like tying around
the jib itself, especially through the clue with a sail tie. Furling lines can
chafe. They can break. The only way to ensure the jib from
Hello all,I was reading through one of the sailing magazines, and there was
commentary about the value of a windlass or "at least an anchor chain hook" you
can use to take a break when hoisting anchor. While I don't feel the need for
a windlass yet, I have had situations when raising the
I had very good results with Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer (CPES) about 18
years ago. I no longer own the boat but sailed it twice over the summer.
The 12 × 18 areas of rot are still solid. It won't help if the core has rotted
away entirely, but if you test it and there is still balsa
You may want to check with Al Holzer of Schooner Bay Marine in Bayfield
Wisconsin. He sent me an overhauled KBW 10 for $1,500 (IIRC) plus shipping.
A direct exchange. There was a bump in the road, but Al took care of it like a
gentleman.I would highly recommend his services. However, he
Hi Edd,Sorry for the delayed response. Either dates are OK with me, and I
would hope to bring Astralis to the party. However, March will be warmer,
though it may begin to conflict with Spring Break, and hotels may be more
expensive.Food for thought,Bruce WhitmoreSent from Samsung tablet.
That is why I use heat shrink crimp connectors, coat the wire with tef gel
before crimping, shrink the tubing and follow with coating the connector with
liquid electrical tape.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Actually, I would like to know as well, and would install a cheap version, but
I've not found on, but have not looked very hard. Why? Because I want to know
how much my boat leaks and if a trend is happening I don't know about. Am I
getting a lot of water in the bilge when it rains? When the
We use the stovetop burners on average a couple times a month, as when we can
we stay Saturday nights on the boat and have a breakfast routine on Sunday
mornings. Mysti the sailing kitty usually spends the night with us as well.
Its turning into a nice getaway weekend...Sent from my Verizon,
Ours was as well, and it was under one corner (I thought the left instead of
the right), but it was really easy to replace with a battery holder with a wire
running out of each end. I re-wired that new holder in the circuit and mounted
it, and the sparker has now run perfectly for about 3
Len,My experience does not agree with yours, with the idea that both the
anti-siphon valve and head check valve have to be malfunctioning to fill the
bowl with clear water. Ours filled with clear (sea) water until we replaced
the head check valve, and we have no indication of a problem with
Hi Edd, Ours used to do that until I replaced the Jabsco head pump. There is a
diaphragm that, when the lever is in the pump out (right) position stops
backflow into the head.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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The high water levels in the Great Lakes are being caused by intense low
temperatures which freeze the surface and stop evaporation. It is the same
function as pool covers here in Florida. Interestingly, evaporation on the
lakes is highest when the humidity is low. So if you folks get
McMaster Carr and use hole saws on a sheet?Just an idea...Sent from my Verizon,
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Hi Mike and group, If anyone has good photos of the installed Lonseal PlasTeak
product, I'd like to see them.As much as I am a traditionalist, ease of repair
my win out.I'd really like to know if you can notice a distinct difference
between this and real teak.Thanks!Bruce Sent from Samsung
I'm looking at replacing ours as well, though probably sometime next year.
What is the preferred method of sealing and varnishing the wood? What varnish
did you use? Did you seal the underside with epoxy? If so, what kind?Bruce
Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Sent from Samsung tablet.
I would certainly welcome a C Florida Rendevous! I am in Madeira Beach, on
the Gulf side of the Tampa area, so I would be in favor of the West Coast.I
think a speaker talking about cruising the Sun (West) Coast of Florida would be
particularly insightful, as many of the passes are too shallow,
Agreed as to probable coil, especially if it cut out immediately with no
sputter whatsoever. Fuel issues on A-4s will almost always cause a slower die
with a cough or two. For me, the coil never failed once I replaced the points
and condenser with electronic ignition. The electronic ignition
Agreed, they make a number of options depending on how much movement you want.
Quality is really pretty good. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Actually, there is a technical service bulletin I can find and reference that
states Yanmar only recommends that transmissions be left in neutral and if
people want to stop prop spin the should implement some form of brake. Yanmar
says this is for all applications, which I find odd. Al
I just bought vacuum gauges through Amazon, they are liquid-filled (to reduce
shake from vibration) and are 0- 30 hg. Watch when you're buying them though,
as many are vacuum and pressure gauges combined, and some are pressure only,
and they all show up with you are looking for vacuum gauges.
With our hydraulic ram and the ACU 100, the ram could, under severe weather,
draw more power than recommended for the ACU 100, but in emailing back & forth
with Fred Street, it came down to the idea that rarely, if ever would most
people come across such circumstances, especially if they are
As to the faucet with shower head attachment, take a look at RV versions.
There are plenty available out there. A friend of mind had a broken connection
at the shower head hose attachment to the back of the faucett, and bought a RV
replacement for about $25. Turns out it was made by the same
Interestingly, I had a bilge pump issue and thought it was the pump and then
the switch and finally found the wires had corroded and broken at a set of
butt connectors hidden as the wires exited the bilge to run up to the switch
panel.Food for thought, Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+
Thankfully, I have not gotten tangled in a crab pot line as of yet. I was just
thinking that if the blades are folded, there would be a greater probability of
the line sliding off the prop shaft rather than getting caught around a blade
like "might" happen with a J Prop. That said, it would
Joe, just out of curiosity, is the big inverter pure sine wave, or both or
neither?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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In each of the cases noted about Flex o Fold, are we talking about the 3 blade
or two blade models? The recommend a 3 blade for my 37/40 with a Yanmar
3JH2E.Looking forward to your thoughts,Bruce Whitmore Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Ours is under the stairs as well, with vents forward to the galley area and
aft to the stern berth. It works well, but feels a little undersized. We use
the stern berth all the time, and only occasionally have guests in the V.Sent
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Hi Edd, I've been off this list for a while, and couldn't get back on, but now
I seem to be getting the posts regularly I am happy to take some more photos
and send them to you. Our raw water pulls from a separate dedicated seacock in
the aft of the engine compartment. You could more easily
For some easy touch up I found that the Behr paint color called White Batten is
a good match for "smoke gray" which is the gel coat color most often used when
making C, and if it is a match for you, would serve a a good color chip for
ultimately getting your paint mixed.Hoping this
I 100% with Paul's comments below. By the way, it will likely take more
plastic welding rods than you think. In a pinch I cut up some Tupperware type
lids that were labeled LDPE and they sufficed when I ran short. That said, not
all LDPE is the same, and HDPE will definitely NOT work
Edd, I'm looking forward to seeing her in person!Bruce Sent from my Verizon,
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Why not try finding a large stainless steel lock washer? If nothing else,
order one through McMaster Carr.Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Ok, being the frugal *ahem* I am, I can think of a number of solutions
including cutting your own leather, cutting thick but flexible highly UV
resistant plastic or even cutting and taping the highly abrasion resistant
white ribbed hose like West Marine sells for through hulls and waste hose.
By the way, I checked today and there is no galvanic isolator on Astralis.
Which one did you folks choose to install? Thanks for your insights, Bruce Sent
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One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze
in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because
no water is drawn in through the i
One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze
in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because
no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i
think it may depend on the design of the particular
Hello all,I bought a Garmin Echomap Plus 94SV and transducer that is on sale at
West Marine. This comes with a good transducer that will map out the bottom,
act as a fish finder, etc. On most boats, the transducer can be mounted in
the bilge and will fire through the fiberglass
Ken, that makes total sense into me. Now if I can find the coolant hoses! I'm
really surprised I can't find good installation instructions!Sent from my
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