Re: Bash script problem

[Gary L. Roach]

Thanks for the help but I still have the problem of the if statement 
always being true. This time I enclosed the file so you can test it.


Gary R

On 8/4/21 5:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 04:58:00PM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote:

Path="/Test/gary/run/something"
IFS=/
read -a Array <<< $Path

You're setting IFS permanently for the whole script.  It's usually better
to set it only for the duration of the single read command which uses
it.  Also, read should always be used with the -r option, unless you want
backslash mangling to occur.

IFS=/ read -ra Array <<< "$Path"


     if [ A="0 ; " ]

This is incorrect, at least twice over.  You need to separate each of
the arguments of the [ command with whitespace.

if [ A = "0 ; " ]

It helps if you remember that [ is simply a fancy synonym for the test
command.  A more natural way to write this would be

if test A = "0 ; "

Next, you are comparing two constant strings, "A" and "0 ; ".  This
comparison is not useful, because they are always different strings.
If A is a variable, then you probably meant to write this:

if [ "$A" = "0 ; " ]



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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/4/21, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-04 6:43 p.m., Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:01:18 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>
>>> Problems?
>>> =
>>>
>>> Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
>>> Debian Community Team .
>>>
>>> Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
>>> behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
>>
>> I have never known a tempory ban being applied to a user. Is this a
>> recent change in Listmaster policy?
>>
> I don't see how it would be possible to ban a user on a open mailing
> list that anyone can write to (without being registered).
>
> If so, maybe there should be a try on banning the person who doesn't
> stop sending message regarding "Wanna meet you"...


If they're typing to you from North Georgia (USA), the signs are out
there that it's going to be a non-problem very, very soon. If the
group does finally get nabbed, it's going to be a major headline
maker.

Very soon. :)

As to the other, I've seen someone get banned. It fell under that
observation about this being an open list. The person kept coming
back.. repeatedly. It finally stopped. Had to have been a major
intervention of some kind to get to that cease point.

About a week ago, I read the banned person asking for something on one
of the lists. That implies that all involved worked things out
amicably. Finally. Thank you all for that! It was a distressing moment
in things Debian, and now it's not. :)

As an afterthought.. If someone ever writes off list and says they're
me, it's not. I'm actually shy in one-on-one instances. If it ever
happens, please consider taking whatever legal means necessary to help
that not happen to someone else.

It HAS happened. There's a suspended Twitter account because I asked
Twitter to do so. It had my pictures, my name, my "bio" information.
And a town in West Virginia. Knowing the group here like I do, I'd say
the account was coordinating illegal sales up there in the North.

Fun times. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 3:19 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 20:48:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> The previous remark about following all the different messages from
> -user is insulting, nevermind condescending.
> 
It is of basic logic to see something as a whole before expressing on to
the subject or at least, get a general idea of it.

Cherrypicking messages and making opinion over this ain't going to help
get a objective opinion.

> The objective of Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside appears to be to put
> the user in his place.
> 
Strangely, I got many thanks from this user, when I explained to him
about the fact that "top posting" doesn't make a easy to understand thread.

And same came along when I explained to him that he could benefit from
having clearer subject.

Even if the result seem to need some improvement.

I don't feel much justification and suggestion for improvement in the
messages you write, other than trying to say that I "put him in his place".

May I ask if you even took 5 minutes of your time to give this user some
answer to his many questions ?

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:43 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:01:18 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
>> Problems?
>> =
>>
>> Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
>> Debian Community Team .
>>
>> Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
>> behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
> 
> I have never known a tempory ban being applied to a user. Is this a
> recent change in Listmaster policy?
> 
I don't see how it would be possible to ban a user on a open mailing
list that anyone can write to (without being registered).

If so, maybe there should be a try on banning the person who doesn't
stop sending message regarding "Wanna meet you"...

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi Greg,

On 2021-08-04 3:30 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 08:19:25PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>> The problem has now become the user? Who may be ignored, of course?
> 
> The question, I think, is whether this *particular* user has crossed
> the line from "well-meaning but failing" to malicious.
> 
> I think they're still on the well-meaning side, and may benefit from
> style suggestions.  But I can see how other people might think they're
> on the other side of the line, and need a stern warning.
> 
> In either case, the approach they've been using so far is not getting
> them the help that they ostensibly want.  They *need* to change their
> behavior if they actually want help.
> 

I can only agree with you here.

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[Bret Busby]

On 5/8/21 7:38 am, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote:

mail provider gives me 16-character-long authorization code for smtp server
(something like 77c93457b12ab54a)
i can't enter it in thunderbird

in Account Settings/Outgoing Sever dialog
Port should be 587
which shall i choose for "Connection security" and "Authentication method"?




You might be interested in subscribing to, and, posting your query (and 
other applicable queries) to, the two Thunderbird users mailing lists at 
groups.io .


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Bash script problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 04:58:00PM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote:
> Path="/Test/gary/run/something"
> IFS=/
> read -a Array <<< $Path

You're setting IFS permanently for the whole script.  It's usually better
to set it only for the duration of the single read command which uses
it.  Also, read should always be used with the -r option, unless you want
backslash mangling to occur.

IFS=/ read -ra Array <<< "$Path"

>     if [ A="0 ; " ]

This is incorrect, at least twice over.  You need to separate each of
the arguments of the [ command with whitespace.

if [ A = "0 ; " ]

It helps if you remember that [ is simply a fancy synonym for the test
command.  A more natural way to write this would be

if test A = "0 ; "

Next, you are comparing two constant strings, "A" and "0 ; ".  This
comparison is not useful, because they are always different strings.
If A is a variable, then you probably meant to write this:

if [ "$A" = "0 ; " ]

Bash script problem

[Gary L. Roach]

Hi all;

I have just recently delved into the magical world of Bash scripting and 
programmed up the following script(not finished). The object is to parse 
the Path and check for the existence of each directory. Please don't 
send back an Awk or Sed statement that is more efficient. I am having 
enough trouble with the Bash script.


Something is wrong with the logic of the if-fi statement. It is 
triggered every time through the loop. The statement A="0;  " seems to 
be true no matter what the value of A. The if statement is there to 
clear out the first item in the array that seems to be empty. Please help.


#!/bin/bash
set -x
#trap read debug

Path="/Test/gary/run/something"
IFS=/
read -a Array <<< $Path


for i  in "${!Array[@]}"
do

    A="${i} ; ${Array[i]}" #Load A
        echo "A is equal to $A"
    if [ A="0 ; " ]
    then
    echo "continuing"
    continue
    else
    echo "Do rest of loop"
    fi

done

Thanks in advance.

Gary R.

need help on setting up thunderbird

[loushanguan2015]

mail provider gives me 16-character-long authorization code for smtp 
server(something like 77c93457b12ab54a)i can't enter it in thunderbird

in Account Settings/Outgoing Sever dialogPort should be 587which shall i choose 
for "Connection security" and "Authentication method"?

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 11:43:26PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:01:18 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
> > Problems?
> > =
> > 
> > Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
> > Debian Community Team .
> > 
> > Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
> > behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
> 
> I have never known a tempory ban being applied to a user. Is this a
> recent change in Listmaster policy?
> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 

I _think_ there have been instances of someone being banned for a week or a 
month - I think indefinite bans were called out as being inappropriate in
one case. I'd have to defer to those with more patience to dig through
Debian mailing list archives.

I do remember one instance - a very long time ago - where someone was
banned after two posts or thereabouts - a Finnish neo-Nazi, I think,
who abused the lists with political ranting.

Listmasters' discretion is always the final arbiter.

Andy Cater

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:34:20 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Thank you David for the reminder
> 
> I'm afraid that August sneaked up on me without me noticing. I've reposted
> the FAQ and I've used some of the suggestions you've outlined in a new piece
> about how to ask smart questions and read answers.

I'd hate to take credit for Greg's work—I merely quoted just the
headings from the second part. But thanks for posting it.

(Reenacting https://xkcd.com/386/, but at my dinnertime.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[mick crane]

trollhunter is one of my favorite films.
I think recent international events have made everybody grumpy.
mick
--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Brian]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:01:18 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> Problems?
> =
> 
> Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
> Debian Community Team .
> 
> Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
> behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.

I have never known a tempory ban being applied to a user. Is this a
recent change in Listmaster policy?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Thank you David for the reminder

I'm afraid that August sneaked up on me without me noticing. I've reposted
the FAQ and I've used some of the suggestions you've outlined in a new piece
about how to ask smart questions and read answers.

The general advice that is often given to go away and read Eric Raymond's
piece on this is not very helpful. Although it is often quoted, it is quite
hard to read and shows an attitude that is not helpful at times.

People pop up on this list from time to time with problems and the other
users here generate a storm of well-meaning advice. It is very easy to
assume that you alone have all the answers - I do it far too often - and often
the answers given don't really reflect the real underlying questions.

It is also very easy to be upset or annoyed by someone's approach and know
that you would do it better and respond accordingly. There's an xkcd cartoon
for that: https://xkcd.com/386/ is still very relevant. Someone else's
lack of relevant knowledge / inability to express themselves clearly
shouldn't necessarily be directed back at them and someone asking "stupid
questions" is not normally doing so deliberately -it's not always personal.

All the very best to all reading (and contributing to) the list, as ever,

Andrew Cater

debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,
and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. 

Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works:

* The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing 
  lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french 

* It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example,
  from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when 
  English is not their primary language. Please be considerate.

* The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both 
  the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct

 https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
 https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

* This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an
  answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so
  others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who
  may be following along on the list or reading the archives later.

* Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time.
  It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided.

 * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not
   welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments
   do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't
   assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a
   Debian list.

* There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on 
  this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

* How to ask questions and read replies.

1. PLEASE Use a subject line that means something - "I need help" is probably 
not useful. "I'm having problems with the Debian 10.10 amd64 DVD image" or
similar is better - something that sets out one problem / a single  issue.

2. Try and write down what steps you have taken / where you have found 
information. Show what you have actually done as much as what you think you 
have done. If it helps, write down things you do / commands you run as you do
them.

3. People may ask you to run commands to establish what is happening / what
hardware you have. Provide the output if you can: if you can't provide the
output - show what commands you ran and what output (if any) was the result.
Likewise with logs. It may be appropriate to ask what extra information is
needed / may help others solve the problem and then to try to give the extra 
information requested..

4. The mailing list threads replies. Don't break the thread / raise other
issues needlessly . It is as easy to begin a spearate email - one per issue.

5. If several people ask similar questions, it may be possible to summarise
lots of information in one post.

6. Give as much useful information as you can. If you are unsure, it is fine
to ask what other information might be necessary. We cannot all read minds: we
need some clues.

7. If all other things don't work: stop, write down one thing you want to 
make clearer and make that clear. Slow down and think - sometimes a 
deliberate approach is necessary.

8. If the problem has produced a long thread it is very useful to provide a
subject title periodically with [SUMMARY] or [SOLVED] outlining how the 
problem was eventually solved or showing what issues remain outstanding.

* Unfortunately, the people on the Debian mailing lists / IRC channels cannot
give good advice for every Debian-derived distribution. Each distribution
changes different things and we will not have all the answers. Debian
derived distributions are off topic in debian-user. Each one should have
its own support channels and processes to raise issues. Debian is not normally
the place though if you can reproduce the problem in Debian we will be better
able to help. 

* One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time 
  is of the form: 

  "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email.
   Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail"
  
Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially 
cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to 
ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this
may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Spam and unsolicited commercial email that doesn't belong on the list
=

Debian does have comparatively strong spam filters on the mailing lists:
listmasters will remove emails that are reported as spam. The easiest
way to report spam is by using the web interface to Debian mailing lists
below https://lists.debian.org

If you quote spam email in a reply, you may end up making the spam filters
less effective. If you respond to it on list, then it becomes part of the

COMPTE! - Possible pèrdua de dades en actualitzar a Bullseye

[orestes]

Ahir vaig actualitzar la màquina principal de casa de Bustes a Bullseye,
aprofitant que la release de Debian 11 és propera i m'anava bé fer-ho
ara. L'actualització va anar força bé, en general, però volia avisar
d'un parell de coses que m'han passat i que comporten pèrdua de dades.

- Després de l'actualització ha desaparegut el contingut de la carpeta
.gnupg (amb totes les claus públiques i privades). Per sort tenia còpia
de seguretat de tot.

- Després de l'actualització ha desaparegut la carpeta "Baixades" i ha
estat substituïda per una carpeta "Downloads" buida. En l'arranjament
del sistema (utilitzo KDE) he comprovat que la ruta a la carpeta de
descàrregues era /home/, quan hauria d'haver estat
/home//Baixades. Potser això hi ha tingut alguna cosa a veure.

Avís: No estic 100% segur de no haver esborrat jo aquests directoris,
però si ho he fet ha estat per error i de forma absolutament
inconscient.

Consell: Feu còpia de seguretat de les vostres dades abans
d'actualitzar, no fos cas que us passés quelcom de semblant..

Orestes.

[OFFTOPIC] Fun with pv and broken drive (was: `pv` rates)

[Stefan Monnier]

Stefan Monnier [2021-08-02 15:09:38] wrote:
> E.g. the average has moved up to ~80kB/s since my last message).

For your entertainment: I managed to bring the average rate up to about
1MB/s by running `lvs` in a loop at the same time (and that let me see
occasionally a transfer rate around 10MB/s).

I have no idea what it is that makes `lvs`s interference
so beneficial.  I tried a few other operations (like `du`, and `dd`) but
to no avail.

Without any interference from `lvs` I get a long term average slightly
below 100kB/s.


Stefan

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 13:31:53 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Here's what I would suggest to Gunnar, and to anyone else who is not
> getting the responses they want from a mailing list:
> 
> 1) Only try to solve one problem at a time. [ … ]
> 
> 2) Put all of the information you have into one message. [ … ]
> 
> 3) Take your time writing.  Mailing lists are not chat systems. [ … ]
> 
> 4) Actually compose your message.  Don't just write random sentences; [ … ]
> 
> 5) Make sure your goal is clear.  The Subject: header should be [ … ]
> 
> 6) Provide all of the necessary details. [ … ]
> 
> 7) If people request additional information, please provide it. [ … ]

Good one. It might be possible to fold parts of this into Andrew's
monthly post (which I've missed this month).

> That's probably enough for now.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:29 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>> What command do you use ?
> >>> Mostly the answer would be NO
> >> *still waiting for answer*
> > 
> > Seriously? You /wait/ for answers here?
> > (Dare I say it), you /want/ another post from the OP?
> No I don't wait for answer.
> It's just a way to politely explain that if you want people to help out
> then it would be the basic thing of answering when it seems that there's
> some information missing and that we asked you something.
> 
> And to do so, before, asking a bunch of other things or repeating the
> same one.
> > 
> > I think the idea with mailing lists is that you compose and post
> > replies in your own time, and that conversations are open to
> > interjections from all. I was under the impression that something
> > called IRC was available for realtime chatting (though I've never tried it).

> I know what is IRC

I don't deny it.

> and I'm sure

Nor that.

> what I meant is easily understood by
> reading up in this message.

Perhaps I find it difficult to understand
  *still waiting for answer*
as a polite explanation.

> Go try IRC

Um, no.

> and you'll see that this "Gunnar" is far from a exception and
> trolling may be the rule on such system (IRC).

I've already commented on someone else's suggestion of trolling,
and so will add nothing more here, except to say that the expression
  this "Gunnar"
is not a very polite way to refer to a person.

(And no, don't let's revisit the October 2020 thread.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:31:43 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-04 11:54 a.m., David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
> >> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
> >>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
> >>>
> >> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> > 
> > Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
> > and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
> > have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
> I've tried politely to explain to this concept and that people will just
> ignore on the long term if he doesn't "Straighten up".

I was trying to be positive, guessing what their motives might be in
posting thus. I wish I could think of clever jokes like Thomas Schmitt's
instead.

I won't comment on your educational methods.

> > It's ironic that their first post here was
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
> > considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
> > were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.
> > 
> I think that's the perfect example of "Irony".
> 
> Maybe we shall vote to create a new Debian mailing list sending all the
> messages to /dev/null ?

No need, just look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(Usenet)
I'm sure many people have had me in their kill file for years.

But if you find the flow of messages overwhelming, it might help you
if you don't reply to them so hastily. You might receive more
information in the meantime, and even if you don't, somebody else
might throw in an answer.

Cheers,
David.

Re: How to request a package be updated? (Solaar, for controlling Logitech MX Master 3 mouse)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 07:29:10PM +, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> How does one ask for a package to be updated?

In general?  File a wishlist bug.

During a freeze, however, there aren't going to be many updated packages.

> The Solaar package, which provides functionality for Logitech mice (and
> keyboards), is at 1.0.4 in bullseye and sid, but the current version is
> 1.0.6,

Wait for bullseye's release.  After that, you'll probably see a bunch
of new uploads to sid.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 08:19:25PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> The problem has now become the user? Who may be ignored, of course?

The question, I think, is whether this *particular* user has crossed
the line from "well-meaning but failing" to malicious.

I think they're still on the well-meaning side, and may benefit from
style suggestions.  But I can see how other people might think they're
on the other side of the line, and need a stern warning.

In either case, the approach they've been using so far is not getting
them the help that they ostensibly want.  They *need* to change their
behavior if they actually want help.

How to request a package be updated? (Solaar, for controlling Logitech MX Master 3 mouse)

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

How does one ask for a package to be updated? The Solaar package, which 
provides functionality for Logitech mice (and keyboards), is at 1.0.4 in 
bullseye and sid, but the current version is 1.0.6, which was released on June 
16. (And 1.0.5 came out in February, so it's been a while.)
Apparently these last two releases provide greatly enhanced functionality; I 
just got an MX Master 3, which (despite the info on the package) isn't 
supported by Logitech software, and I would like to be able to do things like 
use the second scroll wheel, reprogram keys, etc., and I was hoping this might 
be possible.
The manual installation instructions on the Solaar GitHub page make it seem a 
bit fiddly, so I'd rather do it through the official repo if possible.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Brian]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 20:48:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 02:00:25PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 2021-08-04 1:18 p.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
> > > having a hard time to express him/herself understandably [...]
> 
> > Sorry, but it's more than a problem with expressing in English.
> 
> I wasn't actually about specific language problems. Actually I
> think the problems stem from other sources. Culture, perhaps.
> Perhaps lack of practice expressing questions and providing
> the necessary context. Whatever.

The problem has now become the user? Who may be ignored, of course?
 
> > Maybe you haven't followed all the different messages from all the user
> > who answered him, tried giving him hint and more.
> 
> I have. Still I feel the sometimes condescending, sometimes
> downright hostile tone was unwarranted towards someone who
> actually is trying.

The previous remark about following all the different messages from
-user is insulting, nevermind condescending.

The objective of Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside appears to be to put
the user in his place.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Manners and useful subject

[ellanios82]

On 8/4/21 9:48 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

My trigger is my business, your trigger, yours :)



 - some folks seem to have 'Zeppelin-size' self-importance.

.

 wiki :

"A Zeppelin is a type of rigid airship named after the German inventor 
Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin  who pioneered rigid airship development at 
the beginning of the 20th century. Zeppelin's notions were first 
formulated in 1874 and developed in detail in 1893. They were patented 
in Germany in 1895 and in the United States in 1899. After the 
outstanding success of the Zeppelin design, the word zeppelin came to be 
commonly used to refer to all rigid airships. Zeppelins were first flown 
commercially in 1910 by Deutsche Luftschiffahrts-AG (DELAG), the world's 
first airline in revenue service. By mid-1914, DELAG had carried over 
10,000 fare-paying passengers on over 1,500 flights. During World War I, 
the German military made extensive use of Zeppelins as bombers and as 
scouts, killing over 500 people in bombing raids in Britain.


The defeat of Germany in 1918 temporarily slowed the airship business. 
Although DELAG established a scheduled daily service between Berlin, 
Munich, and Friedrichshafen in 1919, the airships built for this service 
eventually had to be surrendered under the terms of the Treaty of 
Versailles, which also prohibited Germany from building large airships. 
An exception was made allowing the construction of one airship for the 
United States Navy, which saved the company from extinction. In 1926, 
the restrictions on airship construction were lifted, and with the aid 
of donations from the public, work began on the construction of LZ 127 
Graf Zeppelin. This revived the company's fortunes, and during the 
1930s, the airships Graf Zeppelin, and the larger LZ 129 Hindenburg 
operated regular transatlantic flights from Germany to North America and 
Brazil. The Art Deco spire of the Empire State Building was originally 
designed to serve as a mooring mast for Zeppelins and other airships, 
although it was found that high winds made this impossible and the plan 
was abandoned. The Hindenburg disaster in 1937, along with political and 
economic issues, hastened the demise of Zeppelins"


.

 regards

.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[tomas]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 02:00:25PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-04 1:18 p.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
> > having a hard time to express him/herself understandably [...]

> Sorry, but it's more than a problem with expressing in English.

I wasn't actually about specific language problems. Actually I
think the problems stem from other sources. Culture, perhaps.
Perhaps lack of practice expressing questions and providing
the necessary context. Whatever.

> Maybe you haven't followed all the different messages from all the user
> who answered him, tried giving him hint and more.

I have. Still I feel the sometimes condescending, sometimes
downright hostile tone was unwarranted towards someone who
actually is trying.

> Regarding the "sophisticated trolling", let me express doubt about the
> feeling of hostility you may see there. I think you should review the
> level at which your trigger is raised, maybe some adjustment are needed.

My trigger is my business, your trigger, yours :)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Brian]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 14:00:25 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-04 1:18 p.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:42:28PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> > wrote:
> >> Hi,
> > 
> >> I don't know where you saw insinuation of malice.
> > 
> > for example:
> > 
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00167.html
> > 
> > but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
> > having a hard time to express him/herself understandably, but
> > (s)he has made attempts at fixing that. Talk like "bad manners",
> > as other posters here have resorted to is downright hostile
> > in that context.
> > 
> Sorry, but it's more than a problem with expressing in English.
> Maybe you haven't followed all the different messages from all the user
> who answered him, tried giving him hint and more.
> 
> As I tried too, whatever language you use, we all know that structuring
> a message is important, answering when someone say "Hey there's info
> missing", etc... This is not only something related to "I don't speak
> English fluently"
> 
> For my part, a personal crisis refer to someone who "In expectation to
> get answer" will write the same question over again.
> 
> Regarding the "sophisticated trolling", let me express doubt about the
> feeling of hostility you may see there. I think you should review the
> level at which your trigger is raised, maybe some adjustment are needed.

I would suggest you stick to techniqual advice and ignore trying to
educate the user. It makes for shorter threads and less friction.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: @ $ EUR]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 2:24 p.m., Dan Ritter wrote:
> Thomas Schmitt wrote: 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> At the moment, I see no evidence that Gunnar is trolling
>>
>> He reports to have "lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål)"
>> which is what a classical troll would probably try to use.
>>
>> (I don't discriminate trolls or werewolves as long as they operate a
>>  burner drive or want to make an ISO filesystem.)
> 
> Ah, you think that Gunnar is a bridge or mountain troll, not a
> forum troll. Got it. Very different species.
> 
A MacBook Troll is a very unique species...It's the opposite of a Gnu Troll
> -dsr-
> 

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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Brian]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 19:18:38 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:42:28PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
> > I don't know where you saw insinuation of malice.
> 
> for example:
> 
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00167.html

Indeed. Insinuation-based.

> but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
> having a hard time to express him/herself understandably, but
> (s)he has made attempts at fixing that. Talk like "bad manners",
> as other posters here have resorted to is downright hostile
> in that context.

Agreed. Putting the boot in is a well-known -user technique.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: @ $ EUR]

[Dan Ritter]

Thomas Schmitt wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > At the moment, I see no evidence that Gunnar is trolling
> 
> He reports to have "lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål)"
> which is what a classical troll would probably try to use.
> 
> (I don't discriminate trolls or werewolves as long as they operate a
>  burner drive or want to make an ISO filesystem.)

Ah, you think that Gunnar is a bridge or mountain troll, not a
forum troll. Got it. Very different species.

-dsr-

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: @ $ EUR]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> At the moment, I see no evidence that Gunnar is trolling

He reports to have "lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål)"
which is what a classical troll would probably try to use.

(I don't discriminate trolls or werewolves as long as they operate a
 burner drive or want to make an ISO filesystem.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 1:18 p.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:42:28PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
>> I don't know where you saw insinuation of malice.
> 
> for example:
> 
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00167.html
> 
> but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
> having a hard time to express him/herself understandably, but
> (s)he has made attempts at fixing that. Talk like "bad manners",
> as other posters here have resorted to is downright hostile
> in that context.
> 
Sorry, but it's more than a problem with expressing in English.
Maybe you haven't followed all the different messages from all the user
who answered him, tried giving him hint and more.

As I tried too, whatever language you use, we all know that structuring
a message is important, answering when someone say "Hey there's info
missing", etc... This is not only something related to "I don't speak
English fluently"

For my part, a personal crisis refer to someone who "In expectation to
get answer" will write the same question over again.

Regarding the "sophisticated trolling", let me express doubt about the
feeling of hostility you may see there. I think you should review the
level at which your trigger is raised, maybe some adjustment are needed.
> Cheers
>  - t
> 

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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi Greg,

On 2021-08-04 1:31 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:35:29PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
> wrote:
>> Go try IRC and you'll see that this "Gunnar" is far from a exception and
>> trolling may be the rule on such system (IRC).
> 
> At the moment, I see no evidence that Gunnar is trolling, although
> obviously I could be mistaken.  He seems to be struggling with the
> English language, as well as the mailing list culture, as well as
> the multiple technical problems he's having.
> 
Maybe trolling wasn't the right word, I wasn't the one who used if first.

I've said he was having some type of personal crisis in expecting
immediate answer or write again.

> I'm guessing he has more experience with web forums, social media, or
> "chat" systems than he does with mailing lists.  His approach is one
> that I've seen before, fortunately not often.  What I've observed:
> 
I agree with the difference between chat and mailing list.

> 1) He does not take his time to compose messages and consolidate all
...

> 2) His writing is disorganized, in a way that goes beyond struggling
...

> 3) He has information available that he is *not* giving us.  This is the

...

I have to agree on what you wrote here (and that I removed to make it
easier). But as Debian is one of the operating system that get the most
support from community, it's possible that many person don't run the
Distribution but try to get help here.

> Here's what I would suggest to Gunnar, and to anyone else who is not
> getting the responses they want from a mailing list:
> 
> 1) Only try to solve one problem at a time.  Pick the problem that you
>want to solve first, and focus exclusively on that.  Don't get
>side-tracked.
> 
> 2) Put all of the information you have into one message.  If people have
>to collect your information from multiple separate messages, it
>greatly reduces the chances that people will spend the time and
>energy required to do this.
> 
> 3) Take your time writing.  Mailing lists are not chat systems.  You
>will not get an answer in seconds.  The people who respond to you
>will also take their time, trying to compose a useful reply.
> 
>Your message, and the responses to it, will be archived and available
>for the whole world to see, forever.  Try to make a good impression.
> 
>Be sure to proofread.  Spelling, grammar, and content errors will all
>cause confusion, especially in readers who are not fluent in English,
>or who are not top-tier experts in whatever technical issue you're
>having.  If you're not fluent in English, just do the best you can.
> 
> 4) Actually compose your message.  Don't just write random sentences;
>write something that's easy to follow.
> 
>Try to structure your message the way you would structure a school
>essay.  Paragraphs should be coherent, with a main point (topic)
>and supporting details.  Events that occur in chronological sequence
>should be written that way ("first A happens, then B happens").
> 
>Don't write more than you have to, but don't write *less* than you need
>either.  Skipping steps in your writing makes it a lot harder for
>the reader to follow.
> 
> 5) Make sure your goal is clear.  The Subject: header should be a brief
>summary of your issue, and the first paragraph of the body should be
>a longer description of it.  If a random stranger can't tell what
>you're trying to do after reading the first paragraph, then your
>message isn't clear enough yet.
> 
> 6) Provide all of the necessary details.  At a bare minimum, this should
>include which version of Debian you're running, because this *is* a
>Debian mailing list.  If your problem isn't about Debian, it's not
>on topic.
> 
>If you're having a problem, you should provide enough information to
>reproduce the problem.  What steps do you perform, from start to
>finish?  What do you see/hear?  Does the problem happen every time,
>or only sometimes?  If you can reproduce the problem in a terminal
>session, then please paste that terminal session into the body of
>your message.  If the problem only happens in X or Wayland, try to
>describe what you're doing, and what's happening, as best you can.
> 
>If you're trying to accomplish something, then there won't always
>be a description of steps taken, because you might not even know
>how to begin.  But if you *did* try something already (which didn't
>work), it would be helpful to say what you tried, and what happened,
>and how this differs from your desired outcome.
> 
>If you're using a specific piece of software, tell us exactly what it
>is -- its name and its version number.  If it came from Debian, give
>us the Debian package's version number.  If it did *not* come from
>Debian, be sure to say this, and tell us where it came from, and its
>upstream version number.
> 
> 7) 

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:35:29PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Go try IRC and you'll see that this "Gunnar" is far from a exception and
> trolling may be the rule on such system (IRC).

At the moment, I see no evidence that Gunnar is trolling, although
obviously I could be mistaken.  He seems to be struggling with the
English language, as well as the mailing list culture, as well as
the multiple technical problems he's having.

I'm guessing he has more experience with web forums, social media, or
"chat" systems than he does with mailing lists.  His approach is one
that I've seen before, fortunately not often.  What I've observed:

1) He does not take his time to compose messages and consolidate all
   of the information available.  Rather, he writes whatever thought
   he has in the moment, and sends it immediately.  If he has another
   thought 30 seconds later, he sends that as well, in a new message,
   possibly even a new thread.

2) His writing is disorganized, in a way that goes beyond struggling
   with the language.  He doesn't lay out a clear message -- "This is
   what I want to do, here is what I tried, and here is what happened."
   Even if he struggles with English, he should still be able to draw
   a basic outline of the situation.

   Most of his messages are so disjointed that I don't even attempt to
   piece together what he's asking.  I've just been deleting them.

3) He has information available that he is *not* giving us.  This is the
   most frustrating aspect.  I don't know about other readers, but this
   instantly raises red flags for me.  I immediately suspect that
   we're getting an intentionally misleading picture, and possibly
   outright lies, in addition to the omissions.

   On IRC, what this usually means is that the user in question is not
   running Debian.  And yet they want #debian to support them.  They
   *know* that they will not be supported when it becomes known that
   they're not running Debian, and yet they withhold information, they
   deceive, and they sometimes lie, all in some sort of desperate attempt
   to get support from the wrong channel.  This happens *way* too often.

Here's what I would suggest to Gunnar, and to anyone else who is not
getting the responses they want from a mailing list:

1) Only try to solve one problem at a time.  Pick the problem that you
   want to solve first, and focus exclusively on that.  Don't get
   side-tracked.

2) Put all of the information you have into one message.  If people have
   to collect your information from multiple separate messages, it
   greatly reduces the chances that people will spend the time and
   energy required to do this.

3) Take your time writing.  Mailing lists are not chat systems.  You
   will not get an answer in seconds.  The people who respond to you
   will also take their time, trying to compose a useful reply.

   Your message, and the responses to it, will be archived and available
   for the whole world to see, forever.  Try to make a good impression.

   Be sure to proofread.  Spelling, grammar, and content errors will all
   cause confusion, especially in readers who are not fluent in English,
   or who are not top-tier experts in whatever technical issue you're
   having.  If you're not fluent in English, just do the best you can.

4) Actually compose your message.  Don't just write random sentences;
   write something that's easy to follow.

   Try to structure your message the way you would structure a school
   essay.  Paragraphs should be coherent, with a main point (topic)
   and supporting details.  Events that occur in chronological sequence
   should be written that way ("first A happens, then B happens").

   Don't write more than you have to, but don't write *less* than you need
   either.  Skipping steps in your writing makes it a lot harder for
   the reader to follow.

5) Make sure your goal is clear.  The Subject: header should be a brief
   summary of your issue, and the first paragraph of the body should be
   a longer description of it.  If a random stranger can't tell what
   you're trying to do after reading the first paragraph, then your
   message isn't clear enough yet.

6) Provide all of the necessary details.  At a bare minimum, this should
   include which version of Debian you're running, because this *is* a
   Debian mailing list.  If your problem isn't about Debian, it's not
   on topic.

   If you're having a problem, you should provide enough information to
   reproduce the problem.  What steps do you perform, from start to
   finish?  What do you see/hear?  Does the problem happen every time,
   or only sometimes?  If you can reproduce the problem in a terminal
   session, then please paste that terminal session into the body of
   your message.  If the problem only happens in X or Wayland, try to
   describe what you're doing, and what's happening, as best you can.

   If you're trying to accomplish something, then there won't 

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[tomas]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 12:42:28PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,

> I don't know where you saw insinuation of malice.

for example:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00167.html

but I do dislike the general tone. It is obvious that the OP is
having a hard time to express him/herself understandably, but
(s)he has made attempts at fixing that. Talk like "bad manners",
as other posters here have resorted to is downright hostile
in that context.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 9:12 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 08:35:46AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Intentioinally top posting: This whole exchange, in various threads, seems 
>> to 
>> be bordering on the toxic and I'd like to see it improved somehow.
> 
> Thanks. Helping someone to improve isn't a justification to jump all
> over him/her, and I, too, have the impression that this line was being
> crossed. Including the insinuation of malice on the OP's part.
> 
I don't know where you saw insinuation of malice.
Could it be possible that someone is just acting in good faith and
unknowingly causing his own fail by not expressing in a way he can be
understood ? I'm pretty sure this is yes.

Is it possible someone is missing some understanding on what to expect
and how to optimize the possibility of being helped ? Again I'm pretty sure.

How is it possible to learn if no one tells you and people just ignore.

Sorry, but it wouldn't be better to just ignore this guy and let people
answer him once, get tired after some exchange of mail and just let go.

Everything I said was mostly supported by many other user.
Including the explanation regarding "top posting" which didn't seem to
have been understood more than for answering two or three message afterward.

>> Suggestions?
> 
> I propose everyone takes a step back and thinks :-)
> 

Can I ask, have you tried to answer one of his questions and helping out
? Or is it only that you are bothered because of the noise this create
on the mailing list...

Ignoring people without telling them why we don't want to get into the
drama of helping out is not a sensible way of acting.
> Cheers
>  - t
> 

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Re: runc CVEs in docker.io

[Thomas Hochstein]

Gareth Evans schrieb:

> Given that these are all fixed in Bullseye (and at least the grave
> apt-listbugs issue has been fixed in eg Ubuntu since March 2020 [1])
> why not also Buster?
[...]
> According to 
> 
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runc
> 
> there are 3 open security issues in (Stretch and) Buster

Most are marked "vulnerable (no DSA)". According to
 and
,
that may mean that minor issues will be fixed with a point update or
"are simply not worth fixing in a stable release".

CVE-2021-30465 is scheduled to get a security update for buster.

> (though I
> imagine Debian's support for Stretch has ended with EOL in 2020?) -

Stretch will get security support via the Debian LTS project
() until the end of June, 2022.

Debian Jessie still gets some security support via the Debian ELTS
project () for the same time
period. Most probably the same will happen for Stretch after LTS
support has ended.

-thh

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

>>> What command do you use ?
>>> Mostly the answer would be NO
>> *still waiting for answer*
> 
> Seriously? You /wait/ for answers here?
> (Dare I say it), you /want/ another post from the OP?
No I don't wait for answer.
It's just a way to politely explain that if you want people to help out
then it would be the basic thing of answering when it seems that there's
some information missing and that we asked you something.

And to do so, before, asking a bunch of other things or repeating the
same one.
> 
> I think the idea with mailing lists is that you compose and post
> replies in your own time, and that conversations are open to
> interjections from all. I was under the impression that something
> called IRC was available for realtime chatting (though I've never tried it).
> 

I know what is IRC and I'm sure what I meant is easily understood by
reading up in this message.

Go try IRC and you'll see that this "Gunnar" is far from a exception and
trolling may be the rule on such system (IRC).
>>
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

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Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 11:54 a.m., David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
>> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
>>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
>>>
>> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> 
> Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
> and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
> have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
I've tried politely to explain to this concept and that people will just
ignore on the long term if he doesn't "Straighten up".

> It's ironic that their first post here was
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
> considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
> were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.
> 
I think that's the perfect example of "Irony".

Maybe we shall vote to create a new Debian mailing list sending all the
messages to /dev/null ?
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

-- 
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Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 06:55:02 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-04 6:49 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Thx
> Thanks, nothing prohibit you from writing complete words.
> 
> If you want really to get help maybe read and answer questions people
> ask you ? And not only ask others, because it's starting to be politely
> useless here.
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 13:43 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside,
> > mailto:deb...@polynamaude.com>> wrote:
> > y cd or dvd.
> > What command do you use ?
> > Mostly the answer would be NO
> *still waiting for answer*

Seriously? You /wait/ for answers here?
(Dare I say it), you /want/ another post from the OP?

I think the idea with mailing lists is that you compose and post
replies in your own time, and that conversations are open to
interjections from all. I was under the impression that something
called IRC was available for realtime chatting (though I've never tried it).

> > To burn cd there's many options, some are command line (text mode) and
> > other GUI.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> > -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
> 

Cheers,
David.

Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[David Wright]

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > I think you may have a personal crisis.
> > But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
> > 
> Or it is sophisticated trolling.

Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
It's ironic that their first post here was
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.

Cheers,
David.

Re: `pv` rates

[David Wright]

On Mon 02 Aug 2021 at 15:09:38 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> If it weren't for the first sometimes changing to
> >> 44.xKiB/s it'd be hard to know which is which (IIUC the average is
> >> higher because occasionally the drive gives a more reasonable transfer
> >> rate than that measly 45kB/s).
> >
> > So now we're left wondering how you came by this situation. Perhaps
> > you slumped onto the Return key, then woke up after a few minutes,
> > having missed the initial burst that gave rise to the average being
> > more than 50% faster than the current rate.
> 
> I don't know either.  Reading the whole drive would take a few years, so
> I'm only fetching the few parts which have changed since the last
> backup, and when I look the rate seems to be always ~45kB/s, but
> obviously there have to be bursts at higher speeds (presumably because
> the drive's defect doesn't affect every cylinder in the same way or
> something like that.  E.g. the average has moved up to ~80kB/s since my
> last message).

Yes, perhaps because the drive is broken, there was no initial burst
(which usually makes it obvious). 45kB/s is so slow that any normal-speed
bursts might be too short to notice unless you're watching like a hawk.
Most transfers are more likely to look something like below (narrowed).

Nice command though (I too had never noticed it), especially the wall
time, though I would say that having both I is less sensible than a
when using the command for real. Perhaps I should have used -i myself …

Cheers,
David.

$ pv -parIe <2021-01-20-inauguration-biden-harris-C-qYgs_yOXA.webm >/tmp/copy
[86.8MiB/s] [86.8MiB/s] [>  ]  1% ETA 0:01:25 ETA 18:51:46
[93.2MiB/s] [89.9MiB/s] [>  ]  2% ETA 0:01:22 ETA 18:51:44
[91.9MiB/s] [90.6MiB/s] [>  ]  3% ETA 0:01:20 ETA 18:51:43
[93.1MiB/s] [91.2MiB/s] [=> ]  4% ETA 0:01:18 ETA 18:51:42
[92.1MiB/s] [91.4MiB/s] [==>]  6% ETA 0:01:17 ETA 18:51:42
[85.2MiB/s] [90.4MiB/s] [==>]  7% ETA 0:01:17 ETA 18:51:43
[41.6MiB/s] [82.5MiB/s] [==>]  7% ETA 0:01:22 ETA 18:51:49
[51.6MiB/s] [79.2MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:01:27 ETA 18:51:55
[3.90MiB/s] [66.4MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:01:37 ETA 18:52:06
[10.7MiB/s] [64.5MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:01:47 ETA 18:52:17
[3.83MiB/s] [58.6MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:01:57 ETA 18:52:28
[3.56MiB/s] [53.5MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:06 ETA 18:52:38
[3.80MiB/s] [50.4MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:16 ETA 18:52:49
[5.78MiB/s] [47.3MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:26 ETA 18:53:00
[5.86MiB/s] [44.4MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:34 ETA 18:53:09
[2.54MiB/s] [41.6MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:44 ETA 18:53:20
[2.79MiB/s] [39.4MiB/s] [===>   ]  8% ETA 0:02:53 ETA 18:53:30
[72.2MiB/s] [41.0MiB/s] [===>   ]  9% ETA 0:02:46 ETA 18:53:24
[93.1MiB/s] [43.7MiB/s] [>  ] 10% ETA 0:02:34 ETA 18:53:13
[92.4MiB/s] [46.2MiB/s] [=> ] 12% ETA 0:02:24 ETA 18:53:04
[67.3MiB/s] [47.2MiB/s] [==>] 13% ETA 0:02:19 ETA 18:53:00
[92.9MiB/s] [49.2MiB/s] [==>] 14% ETA 0:02:11 ETA 18:52:53
[87.6MiB/s] [50.9MiB/s] [===>   ] 15% ETA 0:02:05 ETA 18:52:48
[45.0MiB/s] [50.6MiB/s] [===>   ] 16% ETA 0:02:04 ETA 18:52:48
[48.6MiB/s] [50.6MiB/s] [===>   ] 16% ETA 0:02:04 ETA 18:52:49
[45.1MiB/s] [50.4MiB/s] [>  ] 17% ETA 0:02:04 ETA 18:52:50
[20.4MiB/s] [49.2MiB/s] [>  ] 17% ETA 0:02:06 ETA 18:52:53
[28.5MiB/s] [48.5MiB/s] [>  ] 17% ETA 0:02:08 ETA 18:52:56
[35.2MiB/s] [48.0MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:08 ETA 18:52:57
[4.75MiB/s] [46.5MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:12 ETA 18:53:02
[1.30MiB/s] [45.1MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:16 ETA 18:53:07
[3.25MiB/s] [43.8MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:20 ETA 18:53:12
[2.93MiB/s] [42.5MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:24 ETA 18:53:17
[2.67MiB/s] [41.3MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:28 ETA 18:53:22
[4.17MiB/s] [40.2MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:32 ETA 18:53:27
[2.52MiB/s] [39.3MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:36 ETA 18:53:32
[5.58MiB/s] [38.4MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:40 ETA 18:53:37
[3.75MiB/s] [37.5MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:43 ETA 18:53:41
[3.90MiB/s] [36.6MiB/s] [>  ] 18% ETA 0:02:47 ETA 18:53:46
[55.0MiB/s] [37.0MiB/s] [=> ] 19% ETA 0:02:44 ETA 18:53:44
[47.9MiB/s] [37.3MiB/s] [==>] 20% ETA 0:02:41 ETA 18:53:42
[83.6MiB/s] [38.4MiB/s] [==>] 21% ETA 0:02:35 ETA 18:53:37
[72.3MiB/s] [39.2MiB/s] [===>   ] 22% ETA 0:02:30 ETA 18:53:33
[ 105MiB/s] [40.7MiB/s] [===>   ] 23% ETA 0:02:22 ETA 18:53:26
[93.8MiB/s] [41.9MiB/s] [>  ] 24% ETA 0:02:15 ETA 18:53:20
^C
$ 

Cheers,
David.

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[tomas]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 08:35:46AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Intentioinally top posting: This whole exchange, in various threads, seems to 
> be bordering on the toxic and I'd like to see it improved somehow.

Thanks. Helping someone to improve isn't a justification to jump all
over him/her, and I, too, have the impression that this line was being
crossed. Including the insinuation of malice on the OP's part.

> Suggestions?

I propose everyone takes a step back and thinks :-)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: HOW's lost @ $ €

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 4/8/21 20:35, Gunnar Gervin wrote:

Seems to me this old Mac can't boot from usb,


This link
https://www.uubyte.com/boot-mac-from-usb.html

and this
https://recoverit.wondershare.com/mac-tips/boot-from-usb-drive-mac.html

say hold the option key from power on; as well as detailed info about
creating a bootable usb



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Re: HOW ' s

[Thomas Hochstein]

Gunnar Gervin schrieb:

> Subject: HOW ' s

Please use a subject that describes your problem. "HOW's" ist not
better than "(unknown)" or "/&%!"§%&/!"%/&§".

> gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)

Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.

Does your keyboard miss keys?
Did you change your keyboard and connect a wrong one?
I don't think so.

> How it happened:
> During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae from
> a mirror.

Your choice of Linux kernel should not have any significance for your
keyboard or locale.

> I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
> Macintosh-no-dead-keys.

Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
()

What did you "lose" where?
What did you expect, and what did you get?
What has changed?

Do you miss the nb.UTF-8 locale? Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as
root and select that locale.

> I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
> recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian)

It does not seem like a good idea to deinstall Gnome just because you
might recall having found "keyboards" sowewhere else.

> so I wrote in
> Terminal:
> su
> root password
> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
> visible.

It seems reasonable that you won't see changes without logging out and
in again.

> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
> keyboard.

Than, perhaps, you should start with learning how to change the
"keyboard"?

-thh

Re: runc CVEs in docker.io

[Gareth Evans]

On Mon  2 Aug 2021, at 11:48, Dominique Dumont  wrote:
> On Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:07:53 CEST Gareth Evans wrote:
> > Given that these are all fixed in Bullseye (and at least the grave
> > apt-listbugs issue has been fixed in eg Ubuntu since March 2020 [1]) why
> > not also Buster?
> 

> According to runc security tracker, a fixed runc is available for buster, 
> albeit in buster's security repository.

Thanks Dominique, do you have a link for this please?  All I can find is

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/runc

which includes 

"available versions
...
buster  1.0.0~rc6+dfsg1-3"

and in the section following that, the ~rc6 version is apparently vulnerable on 
Buster to all open issues listed (at the time of writing), including 
CVE-2019-16884 complained of by apt-listbugs.  I can't see any reference there 
to a security repo version, and my system doesn't find it, even after adding 
the line suggested in "keeping secure" [link below] to sources.list

> I guess that security repo is missing from your /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> See https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure for instructions.

I already had a couple of references to security repos (do they all point to 
the same thing?) but added the line suggested anyway - but no change even after 
reboot and a second update.


$ sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster contrib main non-free
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates contrib main non-free
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates contrib main non-free
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports contrib main non-free
deb https://security.debian.org/ buster/updates contrib main non-free
deb https://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates contrib main 
non-free


$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 https://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease
Hit:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
Hit:3 https://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable InRelease
Hit:4 https://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
Hit:6 https://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
Hit:7 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports InRelease
...
All packages are up to date.


$ sudo apt install docker.io
...
grave bugs of runc (→ 1.0.0~rc6+dfsg1-3) 
 b1 - #942026 - runc: CVE-2019-16884 (Fixed: runc/1.0.0~rc9+dfsg1-1)
Summary:
 runc(1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] 


Tracker still shows that CVE and two others as open security issues in Buster.  

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runc

and

$ apt policy runc
runc:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 1.0.0~rc6+dfsg1-3
  Version table:
 1.0.0~rc6+dfsg1-3 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages


Grateful for any further advice.

Thanks,
Gareth

> 
> HTH
> 
> Dod
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[rhkramer]

Intentioinally top posting: This whole exchange, in various threads, seems to 
be bordering on the toxic and I'd like to see it improved somehow.

Suggestions?

On Wednesday, August 04, 2021 06:55:02 AM Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside 
wrote:
> On 2021-08-04 6:49 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Thx
> 
> Thanks, nothing prohibit you from writing complete words.

Re: HOW's lost @ $ EUR

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> The commands to burn iso to usb, are they usable for dvd, too?

This depends on the medium type and state. Those commands can work with
BD-RE, DVD-RAM, DVD+RW, formatted DVD-RW (via a packet device set up by
pktsetup(1) from package udftools), and formatted CD-RW (formatted by
cdrwtool(1) from udftools).

But normally optical media are written by burn programs.
See Debian's advise at
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac

In general it is important to select the program's operation mode for
writing a preformatted image to medium, rather than the mode where the
user composes an own filesystem from one or more files.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Manners and useful subject [was Re: HOW's lost @ $ €]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:49 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Thx
Thanks, nothing prohibit you from writing complete words.

If you want really to get help maybe read and answer questions people
ask you ? And not only ask others, because it's starting to be politely
useless here.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 13:43 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside,
> mailto:deb...@polynamaude.com>> wrote:
> y cd or dvd.
> What command do you use ?
> Mostly the answer would be NO
*still waiting for answer*
> To burn cd there's many options, some are command line (text mode) and
> other GUI.
> 
> -- 
> Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
> 

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Re: HOW's lost @ $ €

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:43 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-04 6:35 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> 
> You seem (again) to have a problem writing useful title for your messages.
> 
Gunnar wrote a message saying "HOW", great we all know what he's asking
for before even reading his message.
Great, I know if I could help him before trying to understand what he wrote.

Don't you think there's a use for subject line ?

When someone write to you, how do you know what they want ? Mostly the
subject line. Same goes on here.

Seems like some basic stuff don't quite get it.

I don't know how old you are and what's your experience of life but the
problem seems to be much more profound than one related to the use of
Debian or Linux, or even computer at all.
>> Hi again, all.
>> I decided to reinstall, to get back
>> Xfce, Synaptic, @ $ € , and clean away the mess I probably made with a
>> rogue command as root.
>> Seems to me this old Mac can't boot from usb, only cd or dvd.
> What command do you use ?
> Mostly the answer would be NO
> To burn cd there's many options, some are command line (text mode) and
> other GUI.
> 
> search on packages.debian.org to find which software is available.
> 
>> The commands to burn iso to usb, are they usable for dvd, too?
>> 2 other questions:
>> 1. It was optional to set "for slow memory" as an extra service during
>> installation. What is that?
>> 2. Why does graphics use some of the memory?
> Why does graphis use some memory ?
> Is this serious ?
> Because graphics need to be stored somewhere and they don't fit in the
> cookie jar. It take more space to store a picture (or graphic) than a
> text string saying "How to do this".
>> BR,
>> Gunnar
>>
>> In 2023 we'll be free
> 

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Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:35 a.m., Christian Britz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
>>
> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> 
Or a type of childish behavior of someone wanting help but not making
effort.

Before doing something, it's somewhat needed to plan ahead. (Not only
ask for help when it goes bad).

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Re: HOW's lost @ $ €

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:35 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:

You seem (again) to have a problem writing useful title for your messages.

> Hi again, all.
> I decided to reinstall, to get back
> Xfce, Synaptic, @ $ € , and clean away the mess I probably made with a
> rogue command as root.
> Seems to me this old Mac can't boot from usb, only cd or dvd.
What command do you use ?
Mostly the answer would be NO
To burn cd there's many options, some are command line (text mode) and
other GUI.

search on packages.debian.org to find which software is available.

> The commands to burn iso to usb, are they usable for dvd, too?
> 2 other questions:
> 1. It was optional to set "for slow memory" as an extra service during
> installation. What is that?
> 2. Why does graphics use some of the memory?
Why does graphis use some memory ?
Is this serious ?
Because graphics need to be stored somewhere and they don't fit in the
cookie jar. It take more space to store a picture (or graphic) than a
text string saying "How to do this".
> BR,
> Gunnar
> 
> In 2023 we'll be free

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Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Christian Britz]

On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

I think you may have a personal crisis.
But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.


Or it is sophisticated trolling.

HOW's lost @ $ €

[Gunnar Gervin]

Hi again, all.
I decided to reinstall, to get back
Xfce, Synaptic, @ $ € , and clean away the mess I probably made with a
rogue command as root.
Seems to me this old Mac can't boot from usb, only cd or dvd.
The commands to burn iso to usb, are they usable for dvd, too?
2 other questions:
1. It was optional to set "for slow memory" as an extra service during
installation. What is that?
2. Why does graphics use some of the memory?
BR,
Gunnar

In 2023 we'll be free

How to change desktop [ was Re: HOW ' s]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:22 a.m., mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-08-04 09:04, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> 
>> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
>> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
>> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
>> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
>> visible.
>> Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
>> Wayland. How?
>> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
>> keyboard.
> 
> I don't know that you can change desktop without reboot, never tried.
He's asking on how to change keyboard.

Yes you can change desktop manager without doing a reboot.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-change-desktop-environment-xinitrc-and-xsession-164397/

Xinitrc is simply a launcher for a series of script that will launch the
X server and the desktop environment (or window manager behind).

> Probably you will need a desktop manager.
> I usually type
> "apt search the-name-of-the-program" and see if it says "installed" or not.
Great, he now knows how to search if a program is installed.
> 
> mick

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Re: Unsure where to post a bug related to targetcli

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

solon wrote:
> > Seems to me that installing targetcli-fb should really also install
> > and activate the at boot service by default?

> I'm not really certain if this is the right package to
> file a bug for, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Well, an improvement wish would normally go to upstream
  https://github.com/open-iscsi/targetcli-fb
But i would expect that Debian Developers make their own decisions about
starting services at boot time.

None of the bugs listed at
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no=targetcli-fb
looks like your problem.
So i would post the proposal as Debian bug of targetcli-fb and expect to
maybe get pointed to upstream.

(I got to the bug list by the link "2" beneath "all:" in the "bugs" box at
 the upper right of
   https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/targetcli-fb
)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-04 4:11 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> I forgot to tell:
> The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
I think you may have a personal crisis.
But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.

Waiting for a answer and not flooding would be a good idea.

If you want people to help you out, act accordingly.

You are not at Microsoft technical support here.

People are all volunteer so the nicer you make yourself, the more chance
you have people will help you.
> wrong way in root in Terminal;
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> 
> Please advice how tide up again.
> Gunnar

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Re: HOW ' s

[mick crane]

On 2021-08-04 09:04, Gunnar Gervin wrote:


# apt install task-xfce-desktop
then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
# apt remove task-gnome-desktop
Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
visible.
Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
Wayland. How?
I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
keyboard.


I don't know that you can change desktop without reboot, never tried.
Probably you will need a desktop manager.
I usually type
"apt search the-name-of-the-program" and see if it says "installed" or 
not.


mick
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How to change Gnome Keyboard [ was Re: HOW ' s]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

PS: Useful title make it easier for other to know what you ask for.

Please think a minute and use common sense.


On 2021-08-04 4:04 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> gone @ $€ (wrong keyboard)
> How it happened: 
> During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae
> from a mirror.
> I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
> Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
> I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
> recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian) so I wrote
> in Terminal: 
> su
> root password
> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
> visible.
> Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
> Wayland. How?
1st "task-gnome-desktop" is only a reference (virtual package). It's a
empty package that has dependencies on all the packages needed to run
Gnome Desktop.
> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
> keyboard.
Yes you can learn Gnome desktop.
Have you tried searching on Google "how to change keyboard in Gnome" ?
I've just did so and got at least 20 different simple explanation.

https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-layouts.html.en

https://askubuntu.com/questions/41480/how-do-i-change-my-keyboard-layout-in-gnome-shell

Also, removing a package for the sole purpose of changing the keyboard
seem to me like the worst way of doing things.
Maybe you shall chill down a bit and try doing some research.

Also, most of us here speak mostly English. If you want to have your
answer in norvegian then it will be hard. So you'd better keep your
localisation (the texts in which the software display itself) in English.
This doesn't prevent you from changing the keyboard.

Also, have you took time to read the Debian wiki BEFORE doing what you did ?

https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard

This shall be a good start. Another one would be reading the Debian
Handbook and user manual, again BEFORE trying to do stuff.

It's not because help is available and menu exists that make the process
seem like a click yes, click yes, click yes, click no. That it's a good
way to do. May starting to get good habits BEFORE really getting into a
mess.

https://debian-handbook.info/

https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals

aka RTFM
> BR,
> Gunnar
> 

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Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
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Re: Help! Thunderbird lost my passwords

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 04.08.2021 05:03, Douglas McGarrett wrote:



On 7/19/21 1:15 AM, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

On 19.07.2021 05:13, w...@mgssub.com wrote:

I installed tbird 78.12.0 (64-bit)
 and it can't find my email passwords. I have browsed signons.sqlite
 and the passwords seem to be there in the middle of the db. I have 
tried to install a prior version of tbird but dpkg has thwarted 
those efforts so far! Any other ideas suggestions would be appreciated!


Many TIA!
Dennis
If you didn't setup "Master Password" in ThunderBird, you can try 
"Mail PassView" utility from NirSoft. [1]

It works with WINE.
If password database files were not corrupted somehow, it will show 
stored accounts and passwords from TB profile.



[1] https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/mailpv.html
I recently downloaded and installed T/B after having lost the use of 
it a couple of months ago when it refused
to recognize my password or any new one. Now it is working, and I hope 
it continues. At any rate, I did not see
anything about a Master Password. What is it, and where is it, and 
should I need it?

--doug
I've never had any issues with T/B, but I've seen complains from other 
people multiple times about password-related problems.
Which could be explained by not so smooth automatic migration from old 
password storage database format to a new one.
I usually delay updates installation for T/B and other business-critical 
software by a few weeks or so, and that could be the reason I've avoided 
said issues so far.


Passwords and account information in T/B (and other Mozilla software?) 
are stored in an reversible-encrypted state by default.
So, for an example, if T/B profile and password DB files were stolen by 
malware they could be decrypted effortlessly using forensic utilities, 
like "Mail PassView".
A "Master password" feature protects password DB files by adding 
additional layer of encryption, which could be decrypted only if you use 
a master password.
So, in the same scenario I've described above, even if badguys will 
steal a profile files with password DB files, they won't be able to 
decrypt them easily without master password and will have to use 
time-consuming "bruteforce" techniques to get it.


The only inconvenience of master password feature, once you enable it, 
you will have to enter it each time you launch a T/B session and every 
time you will want to see saved passwords in plain text.
The ordinary EMail functions, like sending and receiving, won't be 
affected by it.


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With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Re: Unsure where to post a bug related to targetcli

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

filing a bug towards targetcli seems futile, as it is not packaged by
Debian any more.

  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/targetcli
brings me to
  
https://tracker.debian.org/news/826155/removed-130pre41ga55d018-3-from-unstable/
which says

  "the following package(s) have been removed from unstable:

   targetcli | 1:3.0~pre4.1~ga55d018-3 | source, all
   --- Reason ---
   ROM; superseded by targetcli-fb, from new LIO-fb upstream"

It refers to
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=848310
which says

  "The targetcli upstream is not active to our expectations. Thus we switched
   the LIO stack from LIO to LIO-fb.
   New, working and maintained packaging is at
 https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/targetcli-fb "


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Unsure where to post a bug related to targetcli

[solon]

Hello all,

New to debian lists, though not to linux.

Im unsure where and how to post a bug, or whether it really is a bug as 
I can't really find other specific debian cases of it and if it is a 
bug, I would expect more reports of the problem,


I have an iscsi config setup with targetcli.

In the default config, reboot leads to that configuration being lost. It 
needs to be restored with


#targetctl restore /etc/rts... etc

This problem appears to be more common (though I didn't run into other 
debian cases), and I've solved it for my system using more or less the 
steps described here:


https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/iscsi-lio-targetcli-no-config-after-reboot.52966/

Though I had to explicitly point the config to:

/etc/rtslib-fb-target/saveconfig.json

A blank:

ExecStart=/usr/bin/targetctl restore

As specified in the systemd script in the linked proxmox guide didn't 
work for me, I needed to specify


ExecStart=/usr/bin/targetctl restore 
/etc/rtslib-fb-target/saveconfig.json


To get the described setup to work.

Seems to me that installing targetcli-fb should really also install and 
activate the at boot service by default?


Thanks,
EJ

Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Gunnar Gervin]

I forgot to tell:
The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some wrong
way in root in Terminal;
# apt remove task-gnome-desktop

Please advice how tide up again.
Gunnar

HOW ' s

[Gunnar Gervin]

Hi.

gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)
How it happened:
During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae from
a mirror.
I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian) so I wrote in
Terminal:
su
root password
# apt install task-xfce-desktop
then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
# apt remove task-gnome-desktop
Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
visible.
Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
Wayland. How?
I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
keyboard.
BR,
Gunnar