David et al,
I've checked further and found the teldir site has changed to the following:
http://www.infobel.com/teldir/default.asp
Maybe that's why their servers were always busy. Who knows.
Anyway, IHTH you more.
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telephone
company sites. Unfortunately, this site is currently experiencing technical
difficulties, at
present. But, when its working, it does work well.
http://www.teldir.com/eng/
IHTH.
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evaluated to
either standard.
Comments?
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recognize)
and I'm sure that more have been added since then.
As for the C symbol, I have have no idea. However, let's wait and see if any
of our learned
colleagues might know.
IHTH.
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reasons for their
positions. Please advise. (BTW, I'm not trying to be contentious. I'm just
trying to know their
reasoning)
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Hi John et al,
Why not at 240V? That way the ACA's requirement in Australia is satisfied and
the test voltage is
still within 230V tolerances.
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memories of that stuff.
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To all,
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 6:21 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Check list for PCB Layout
Hi everybody,
I would like to create a check list in order to help designers
/tools/clientlists/certs.cfm
Anyone have any others?
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EMCAB:
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Hi Gary,
Don't worry too much about it. After all, I've been there and done that, too.
Misinterpretation is
indeed only one of many common human elements, or is that ailments. :-)
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different skin effect
characteristics. And actually,
the skin effect values from Clayton's book do match with the values I've
obtained here. I'm not at
all sure why you think they are the same.
However, I hope this helps.
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of any options that might be available until formal CCC approval is
granted.
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reason. Also, I find any email that has no title, no message and
had an attachment
(identifiable or not) highly suspicious and immediately delete it.
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top in 10 and
45 degree increments.
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will have the
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looking for most of the time, but will likely be only in paper format
(hardcopy). Both have document
search facilities.
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simply
apply in lieu of this
deficiency?
Is the CISPR/G committee working on such a revision? Or will they?
Comments are welcome?
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Hi Joe,
I would also recommend another book by Mark Montrose:
Printed Circuit Board Design Techniques for EMC Compliance, 2nd Ed., ISBN
0-7803-5376-5.
IEEE Press
Also, Mark posts errata information for his books on his website.
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a
while this connection
loosens. In my experience, this loose connection is the source where the
arcing occurs.
Comments anyone?
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Hey Gary,
Don't forget you rocking chair. Take it from me, the ones with the padded seat
cushions are the
best.
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, given the above and IMHO, I would say that just a generic UL Listing mark
would neither be
acceptable nor authorized by UL. However, I recommend contacting UL for their
official position on
the use of their Listing mark.
I hope this answers your question.
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Hi Shawn,
In a quick search, I could not find a reference or an MSDS to the compound you
mentioned. However,
you can go to the following website to search several MSDS databases for it.
http://www.msdssearch.com/DBLinksN.htm
Good luck in your search.
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here
in the US and also
internationally.
Any assistance in identifying these requirements/guidelines would be greatly
appreciated.
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in the US and maybe elsewhere, that third-party has the privilege
to mandate what
routine tests are required for their mark to be affixed to our products.
Looking forward to some comments/rebuttals.
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and
recyclibility, to name a couple.
I hope this helps. Good luck.
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required).
Also, the Y capacitors are there primarily for EMI suppression. Removing the
ground connection may
increase emissions and decrease immunity of the AC port. You will, of course,
need to address EMC
for your product, as well.
I hope it goes well with your product.
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Ron Pickard
forget about the leakage current requirement in clause 6.3.4 of IEC/EN
60950 2nd Ed. UL1950
3rd Ed.; and touch current requirement in clause 5.1.8 of IEC/EN/UL 60950 3rd
Ed. The limit is
0.25mArms max. in both cases.
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, in
regard to your latest
reply on this subject, you referred to IEC60984 and IEC61984. Is this a typing
error or are there,
in fact, two separate standards? Please advise.
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doesn't give the answers, but it should point you in the right
direction for all
countries in your list. Also, be advised that this document is approx. 1.4MB.
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here)
Also, the US National Electric Code (NEC) requires NRTL listing of products.
I am very sure that Canada has a similar system in place requiring product
certification.
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connected and then the other, and then add the currents?
Again, maybe someone
more knowledgeable than I can explain this.
Just trying to stir the pot.
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limit is
found in 5.2.5 describing only Class I Stationary Equipment that is
Permanently Connected Equipment
or that is Pluggable Equipment Type B
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an
advisory bulletin and, as such, contains no requirements. Its focus relates to
immunity in Canada.
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Ralph
on the flames. :-)
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be required to be evaluated
to IEC 60950 3rd
Edition or to IEC 60950-1?
As always, I look forward to your insightful replies.
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. Article 645
pertains to the connecting and interconnecting of Information Technology
Equipment. Requirements for
such under raised flooring are described in Article 645-5(d).
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To any that might know,
I have just heard that CENELEC has launched a formal vote on prEN 61312-1,
Protection Against
Lightning Electromagnetic Impulse: General Principles.
Does anyone have a copy of this document that you can share? Please advise.
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-to-date news in this
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To all,
I know this may be short notice, but some of you may be interested in the
following seminar that will be held later this month. If you are
interested, please follow the links. Otherwise you know what to do.
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Disclaimer - Neither I nor
capacitance for a microstrip transmission
line (plain and embedded) in a PWB. If anyone in the group knows the
formula from the IPC spec or can look it up for me and send it my way, I
would certainly be very grateful.
Thank you in advance and I am eagerly awaiting your replies.
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Martin,
ISO7000 contains many symbols which indicate movement (some indicate
direction and speed). However, it must be said that IMHO any symbol used
must represent a clear and true indication and representation of a
particular hazard.
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the MRA. That is, of course, their priviledge.
Anyone else benefitted by using the APEC MRA? Comments?
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Bruce
information, so contact your local US Dept. of
the Interior office or the one in Washington DC.
As for the other items, Residential Supply Voltage Characteristics,
Plug-Type, Cord Approvals, etc. should all be strictly US based.
I hope this helps.
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. And, if the product attaches to the
PSTN, the FCC (Part 68) may need to be notified.
Now, to answer your question Can Company B use A's report as proof of FCC
compliance? IMHO, sure, if the above points and possibly other points are
satisfied. I hope this helps.
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is complete, can be customized and
can be presented in-house.
Note: To all in the group. This message was, and should not be contrued as,
an advertisement for any of the entities identified above. I am just
relaying my own opinion.
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an opportunity to
evaluate it thoroughly.
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WOODS@sensorm
).
Also, with a bit of history, did you know that some time ago (1970's I
believe) there was some discussion about making Puerto Rico the 51st state
of the U.S. That didn't go anywhere, as you might have already guessed.
Anyway, I hope this helps.
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12.2.006.0-80, Professional Radioelectronic Equipment. Safety
requirements and methods of
testing.
- BSS 14525,Not familiar with this standard.
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that
performed the
facility/product audits.
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test as part of the
production line test? Just curious.
Other comments?
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Gary McInturff
Well, Rich,
I guess that's what happens when I start thinking (typing) too quickly. Oh
well, I knew what I
wanted to say.
And, I sincerely thank you for this clarification and all of your always
accurate emails and
thorough attention to details.
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To all,
Now that Australia and New Zealand have published their version of IEC
60950 3rd edition and with the US Canada nearing final approval of UL
60950 3rd edition and with (as I understand it) CENELEC nearing release of
EN 60950 3rd edition, where is the CB Scheme positioned?
When will the
?
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visit to Cenelec's web site found a very nice searching capability
for EN standards and lists of harmonized standards relating specific
directives. For the curious, take a look.
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Thomas et al,
As Thomas indicated, the database was found on the FCC's ftp site, however,
I had been directed to the ftp site already..
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of such a database available on the FCC web site, I, and
I'm sure others, would appreciate being directed to it.
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John et al,
Refer to the following IEC web page for the details about this basic
standard:
http://www.iec.ch/cgi-bin/procgi.pl/www/iecwww.p?wwwlang=Ewwwprog=cat-det.pwartnum=026133
It is not intended for use by manufacturers or certification bodies.
I hope this helps.
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bodies, is IEC60950 3rd Edition being adopted into, say,
EN60950 3rd Ed. or AS/NZ 60950 3rd Ed.? Any others?
Just some added questions and opinions thrown in and tossed about.
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follows
later in 8.2 indicating the removed text of 8.2.1 - 8.2.3.
However, I do agree with you in that the standard writers commited a
clerical bobo by not removing the 8.2.1 referenced in 8.2.
I hope this helps.
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David,
You can find the crossed hockey stick symbol and other regulatory symbols
and markings at:
http://www.patton-assoc.com
Click on Download CE Marking and European Union National Marking Graphic
Files.
I hope this helps.
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Peter,
Try BHS International. Their guidebooks contain all of the information
you're looking for, and more. Their web site is:
http://www.bhsintl.com
I hope this helps.
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Hi George,
FYI, EN45001 relates to laboratory qualilty systems and EN45014 (latest
version I have is 1993) relates to the DofC.
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. Let's keep these
open discussions coming.
With this being said and being a multi-disciplined compliance type, I must
give a rousing YES to keep this EMC-PSTC forum intact. After all, keeping
this an open forum is better for me and better for my employer.
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system
seems to go into cardiac arrest.
Are any of you experiencing this same phenomenon? I would appreciate
knowing if any others are having similar experinces with the ETSI site.
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But, maybe that's what all those question marks were for.
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Hi Chuck,
Yes UL/CCS has TCB and EU NB status and possibly others. CCS (Compliance
Certification Services) was purchased by UL around the beginning of 2010. NIST
reports their accreditations at http://ts.nist.gov/standards/scopes/2000650.htm.
DISCLAIMER: Information only. This is not a plug for
Hi Charile,
What does typical mean for this battery? Please note that certification
requirements for that battery will vary a bit with the actual device
application and the construction of that battery.
For the USA, please note that UL 1642 pertains mostly to individual battery
cells. UL 2054
IHTH.
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Ron
From: Scott GRIGGS [mailto:griggs_sc...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:08 AM
To: Ron Pickard; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements for batteries in Mobile Phones
Hi Ron,
Peter M had pointed out that regulatory requirements vary
Happy New Year to all of you and I hope that this new year finds itself to be
rewarding an prosperous for us all.
And embarking into the new year, I will be looking into ways to improve my
compliance folder and record archival and retrieval system. At this point in
time I do not as yet know if
The IEC has just published the FDIS of IEC 62474 ed1 under its Safety
classification, which is now out for vote until 3-Feb-2012.
From this standard's introduction:
---
The electrotechnical industry tracks and declares specific
I think this one fits nicely.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans.
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Ron Pickard
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From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 01:22 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
From my archives:
I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my
life. - George Burns
'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all
doubt. - Abraham Lincoln
You don't get anything clean without getting something else dirty. - Cecil
Hi Gary,
I cannot find any 3rd Edition of IEC 61000-4-2 as published or in development
on the IEC website under SC 77B I believe (if anyone knows differently, please
let us know). As such, you might want to validate the 3rd Edition requirement
from your customer.
Also, most regulatory-based
Forwarding from Dave Osborn. Find below some ESD developments associated with
IEC 60601-1-2, 3rd and 4th Editions.
Dave, thanks for that info.
Best regards,
Ron
From: Osborn, Dave [mailto:dave.osb...@philips.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:51 AM
To: Ron Pickard; McInturff, Gary
Subject
Kevin et al,
In my experience over the years, 120-240V indicates a universal input whereby
the power supply is intended to operate at any voltage within that boundary
(with tolerancing of course). And, 120/240V indicates that a power supply is
intended to operate at only those 2 voltages(again
To all,
In addition and especially to those that are not yet aware, please note that
the current RoHS Directive (2002/95/EC) is now in a state of transition to the
recast RoHS Directive
(2011/65/EUhttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:174:0088:0110:EN:PDF),
which will
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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:18 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] RoHS - an EU view
To all,
In addition
Hi Steve,
The answer to your question resides in ISO 7637-2's title and scope as you've
indicated, which specifically intend to have the tests described therein
applied to road vehicles.
However, I believe the standard you're probably looking for to apply in an
aircraft environment is RTCA
, March 08, 2012 3:11 PM
To: Ron Pickard; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement
Hi Ron,
Just to clarify, as the announcement says, this is related to labelling and
does not mean any changes to technical requirements.
All importers of overseas
To: 'Kevin Richardson'; Ron Pickard; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement
Many thanks to Ron and Kevin.
Have interpreted the announcement that current products that have a
representative and bear the 'c-tick' mark will not have to be registered
it?
What will the new label markings look like if C-tick and A-tick are going away?
Is the Supplier Number still applied?
Bob Heller
3M Company
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651-778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
=
From:Ron Pickard RPQ
rpick
Fri, 9
Mar 2012, Ron Pickard RPQ rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:
As you can see, there is some harmonization, but there will probably
never be full harmonization as Australia and New Zealand are
independent sovereign states.
Bring back the Empire, I say! Stamp out all this unnecessary
Hi Christopher,
On the surface of your request, I would have to say no. However, the ACMA's
C-Tick requirements would certainly apply. Also, the external power supply you
mentioned must be compliant with C-Tick and the SAA's RCM requirements along
with being MEPS compliant for energy
Christopher,
As Brian O'Connell said, SAA Certification is not a regulatory requirement.
The external power supply, as Ron Pickard said, would need:
*An electrical safety Certificate of Approval;
*To comply with EMC regulations; and
*To comply Australian MEPS requirements
To all,
The key rests with the requirements of the EMC Directive and in its guidance
document in that if this device could be considered as a finished assembly
(apparatus) or not and if it is intended to be put on the market or placed into
service (made available to the end user) or not.
As
Hi Brian,
I find the claim of those senior design engineers suspect, which in my opinion
appears to be self-serving. And, referring to compliance people in that way
reminds me that the rift between design and compliance still exists, even over
many years. But if, in fact, those compliance
Hi Moshe,
That would likely be IEEE 1725, which is a CTIA/PTCRB requirement for mobile
cellular type phones.
IHTH.
Best regards,
Ron Pickard
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From: Moshe Henig [mailto:moshe.he...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC
Hi Richard,
Due to bandwidth issues, I can only point you to the GCC Standardization
Organizationhttp://www.gso.org.sa/ (GSO), which is a Middle Eastern product
safety approval scheme with technical regulations and product marking
requirements. You'll have to investigate if these requirements
Hi Lauren,
I have no experience with that site.
Exceptionally good buys there to be sure, but I would also the legality of it.
Also intriguing at the bottom of the webpage is the claim that it is Powered
by American National Standards Institute with a hyperlink to http://ansi.org.
Still,
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