Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 May 2017 at 13:02, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > I guess David doesn't have any credit cards ... cell phone ... use the > internet ... I don't get why Rush is being snarky here, but I'll give a simple, civil response: I have little enough privacy already, without choosing to give up

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. How much did you pay for the purchase of your credit card? If you could get your car for free and only pay a certain amount afterwards for what you used, then it would be pretty fair to give

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org>; >>"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 8:50 AM >> Subject: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon. >> >>There is an adapter for Chademo to charge a Tesla. Does anyone think

Re: [EVDL] Hanergy.com?solar vehicles may not happen ... (0.1% practical)

2017-05-02 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
For special applications. Fine. But I tell people the 200W of solar panels on my EV's roof are only 0.1% cost effective! The smaller cells cost TEN times the cost of home solar panels per watt and my home has 100 times more surface area. Hence 1000 times better to collect solar for my EV from

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
None of my vehicles has any communication to anyone, except to the door key FOB. It can come in handy and I do understand Rental centers who want to be able to get GPS location from their cars to see where they are when they are "lost". For a manufacturer to earn the trust that he will always act

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 May 2017 at 11:58, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > And, if Tesla suspects any foul play, they can instantly disable a > Tesla ... This, and the creepy constant monitoring, are the main reasons I will never buy a Tesla. NEVER. You don't ever really own your Tesla, you're just

Re: [EVDL] Hanergy.com?solar vehicles may not happen ... (0.1% practical)

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Thanks for your insights Bob but your thinking is old and your numbers are way off. It is possible to buy individual cells on Ebay for very reasonable prices. I can make a 375 watt panel for under 500 dollars for my small trike project(charges the 4kw battery in 10 or 11 hours) so charging

[EVDL] Flooring it...

2017-05-02 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. How much did you pay for the purchase of your credit card? If you could get your car for free and only pay a certain amount afterwards for what you used, Then it would be pretty fair to give the real owner of the car the

Re: [EVDL] Flooring it...

2017-05-02 Thread Stuart Baker via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
bit of thought please >> >> >> From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; >>"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> >&

Re: [EVDL] LeafSpy equivalent for Ford Focus Electric?

2017-05-02 Thread Cruisin via EV
What is the purpose? The Ford is twice the car than the Leaf. drive it and enjoy. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/LeafSpy-equivalent-for-Ford-Focus-Electric-tp4686529p4686613.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Interesting comment... I guess David doesn't have any credit cards, because they are constantly monitored every time you use them and can be stopped anytime, and I guess David doesn't have a cell phone, because they are monitored constantly and can be cut off anytime. But David does use the

Re: [EVDL] Hanergy.com?solar vehicles may not happen ...

2017-05-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 05/02/2017 12:08 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: You can't use standard heavy panels. You must use cells configured properly and self encapsulate using special plastic heat shrink and a hot air gun. They must be integrated into the roof of the vehicle. I've seen it done. This is much

Re: [EVDL] Hanergy.com solar vehicles may not happen ...

2017-05-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
A "house style" 330 watt solar panel weighs around 50 lbs, so ten of them would be 500 lbs, leaving 2500 for the rest of your vehicle. Flexible or thin film panels weigh less, but require even more surface area. If you use the solar panels "as" your roof you at least get to put that weight to

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Collin Kidder via EV
ou never know what a hacker can do until it's done. Lawrence Rhodes > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/158aa253/attachment.htm> > ___

[EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
the charge but you never know what a hacker can do until it's done.  Lawrence Rhodes  -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/158aa253/attachment.

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Alan Brinkman via EV
-Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:31 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon. On 2 May 2017 at 11:58,

Re: [EVDL] Flooring it...

2017-05-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
s guzzlers that we don’t realize are so much a part of us.) Bob -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/1ef1/attachment.htm> ___ U

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Nothing 'snarky' at all David. Just pointing out that the reason you stated for not buying a Tesla is pretty pointless in today's age of information exchange. Which I might add is going to get worse with the new Internet deregulations being signed into place. Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ, 85719 >

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread paul dove via EV
s.evdl.org>; >> "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 8:50 AM >> Subject: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon. >> >> There is an adapter for Ch

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
was charging a tiny tiny battery pack or a Tesla almost full?  I suspect the Supercharger will look at the car and see the truth and reject the charge but you never know what a hacker can do until it's done.  Lawrence Rhodes  -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbe

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread John Neiswanger via EV
see the truth and reject the charge but you never know what a hacker can do until it's done. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/158aa253/attachment.htm>

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
ter for Chademo to charge a Tesla.  Does anyone think >it can be done in reverse?  Could the supercharger be fooled into >thinking it was charging a tiny tiny battery pack or a Tesla almost >full?  I suspect the Supercharger will look at the car and see the >truth and reject th

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 May 2017 at 9:05, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: > Doing so is likely to be seen as theft (of electricity). Here's some totally uninformed speculation. Anyone who knows otherwise, please correct me. A Tesla is like an ankle bracelet that you drive, always connected to the net, reporting

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
you never know what a hacker can do until it's done.  Lawrence Rhodes  -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/158aa253/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSC

Re: [EVDL] Hanergy.com?solar vehicles may not happen ...

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
You can't use standard heavy panels. You must use cells configured properly and self encapsulate using special plastic heat shrink and a hot air gun. They must be integrated into the roof of the vehicle. I've seen it done. This is much lighter and makes for a working solar vehicle.

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread John Neiswanger via EV
an adapter for Chademo to charge a Tesla. Does anyone think it can be done in reverse? Could the supercharger be fooled into thinking it was charging a tiny tiny battery pack or a Tesla almost full? I suspect the Supercharger will look at the car and see the truth and reject the ch

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 05/02/2017 11:12 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 2 May 2017 at 9:05, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: It does seem like a shame and a waste to have all those chargers and not make them available to the entire EV community. Yes it is a shame, but it is a good competitive advantage

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
eject the charge but you never know what a hacker can do until it's done. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170502/158aa253/attachment.htm> __

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

2017-05-02 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
ts.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; >>"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 8:50 AM >> Subject: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon. >> >>There is an adapter for Chademo