>> PG May Shut Off Power to Some North Bay Cities Next Week
>> 2019-09-21
Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
I am amazed that the public would put up with this.
Well, when PG *didn't* turn off the power during high winds and very
dry conditions, fires started that nearly burned the town of Paradise
From: Russ Sciville via EV
> I had to reply to this! Am I to understand that air scrubbers
> situated along highways will reduce pollution from vehicles? :-D
> That must be a joke.
Sadly, it's not. Irrational laws may require irrational solutions. If you're
required by law to improve air
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
I'm really surprised the "balance" is so poor... My guess is that there's
virtually no insulation and the manufacturers are skimping because it won't
matter so much to the current buyers.
I think that is exactly it. Also, the big automakers have so little
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
In other words, when cold, the voltage drops below the safe minimum
rated value ? But if warmed up, the voltage rises enough to use the cell
longer ?
Yes. You've got it!
Ok, then why don't battery heaters - which I thought the Bolt & Tesla
have - give a good winter
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
So the correct conclusion would be, for those cars which have poor
winter range, that the cell internal resistance is too low to heat the
cell ?
Yes; too little self-heating to be useful.
Also, that the cell voltage is lower during cold temps (while under
load),
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Ok, so the correct assumption would be that the Leaf and Bolt cells
don't have enough internal resistance, thus the performance stays poor
in cold weather ?
Let me try to simplify it. There are huge differences between the
various types of lithium cell constructions
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Understand. Well mostly: I didn't lookup Arrhenius.
But my question still remains. What is the electrical result when the
reaction is slower. I am presuming there is a lower voltage across the
cell. And, if that's so, more current must come from the battery to
provide
paul dove via EV wrote:
>> This guy sounds like a professional article writer.
From: EVDL Administrator via EV
> You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not.
>
> The word you're looking for is "journalist," or maybe "reporter."
>
> But it's true that good ones are scarce these day... Many
Willie via EV wrote:
I have a neighbor that copied a commercial golf cart conversion product.
He used 11 S 100ah LFP (~3.4v) cells...11 chargers. Which were pretty
expensive; I think he ended up paying ~$20 each. He's been running it a
couple of years with no trouble. So far. I think he checks
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
Is it possible to use individual chargers and no BMS on discharge?
It's possible. It will work, as long as nothing goes wrong. The trouble
is, something *always* goes wrong, sooner or later. Why? Because we keep
using batteries until they fail.
If none of the
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Is there any inerest in restoring an old 1978 Seabring Vanguard City Car
(cheese wedge).
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Not from me; I've been there and did that once already. ;-)
I'd be interested. Though they are rude and crude, they have a certain
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
% A search shows plenty %
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch=Yellow+Comuta+Van
Hi Bruce. Lots of CitiCars and ComutaCars. But only one ComutaVan that I
saw (and it was still in Post Office livery).
John (and I) had ComutaVans. They were perhaps the last batch of
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Well, if it's current that varies, it makes sense. Maybe I
misunderstood, but your prior post says "any voltage from 0 up to...".
Bob is right; PV panels do behave somewhat like a current source. If you
look at a graph of voltage vs. current at some fixed light
Roger Daisley via EV wrote:
Does anyone have a favorite solution to terminal corrosion in lead/acid
battery packs? I see a battery terminal spray at O'Reilly Auto parts ...
junk or effective?
My favorite solution is to smear them with a liberal coating of
vaseline. It works as well as the
evtlfp20 via EV wrote:
I'm looking at leafs with higher milage becuase, less money up front.
I only drive 5k or less a year , my gas bill is like $10 - $20 a mth .
most of the used non delaer leafs are in potland, or and i'm 70 miles
away , so im asking best way to puchase , sence range would
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Was just reading a DC Power supply article and it casually mentioned the
benefit of moving to higher frequency for DC/DC convresion in not only
efficiency, but also, by being above 2 MHz, there are no harmonics in he AM
band.
Nice to know they are thinking about
From: EVDL Administrator via EV
>I remember reading of Cedric Lynch's motor and vehicle many years ago and am
>pleased to hear that he and it are still active. Lynch is a genius
Yes, he proves that the spark of genius is not dead, and that the lone inventor
can still accomplish great things.
From: Willie via EV
>> How long do you need that 1kw of power? If short-term, how about two 12v
>> batteries in series?
>100% duty cycle. I'm exploring using Enphase M215 micro inverters
>powered from an EV's 12v DC-DC following this scheme:
From: Willie via EV
>Subject: [EVDL] sources for 12vdc to 24vdc converters
>Can anyone suggest? Looking for 1kw or larger.
Seems like something you would be found for long-haul truckers. Many of their
accessories are 24vdc, but some truck only have 12v systems.
How long do you need that 1kw
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Anyone who says "there's no stopping it" or "there's no going back" hasn't
been paying attention to politics and business. :-(
Amen to that. People were saying the same things back in 2000 at the
peak of the last EV boom cycle. But look at how fast EVs
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
The Lightyear is a good first attempt. However it is too heavy for the solar
panel and too expensive. The sub 1000 pound weight of the Stella solar cars is
what made them viable. Who needs air bags when you have 5 point seat belts.
Lawrence Rhodes
Alas, air
Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
The usual waste of time and money. I'm sure the numbers are theoretical
best case scenario.
One thing they don't talk about is how much power the car takes just
from sitting.
I was surprised to discover that my Prius draws about 30ma from its 12v
battery
Jan Steinman via EV wrote:
Fully electric agriculture is going to be a tough nut to crack. Sure,
"gators" and light-duty equipment might go electric, but pulling a
six-bottom plough through clay soil for twelve hours? Ain't gonna
happen in MY lifetime!
It is indeed a challenge. However, there
Larry Gales via EV wrote:
Those sound like real world solutions to me
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I totally agree! You're describing a Tesla.
But that's my perspective and yours, not the average US vehicle buyer's.
... To sum up, here is why Americans bought 817% more Cherokees than
Rod Hower via EV wrote:
The article talks about enough power for a Tire Monitoring
Pressure System, which requires milliAmps to power the sensor
>>>
>>> Correct. However, following the main article, Bruce's post references 3
>>> more articles, all of which suggest that energy recovered
From: Alan Arrison via EV
>It seems odd Tesla would have that capability available and not mention
>it. It seems like it would add cost.
>
>I was thinking more about an off board inverter that would connect to
>the vehicle fast charge port.
Perhaps it is a legal issue? In most parts of the
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
We have inspired dozens of local EV CHarging Spots byt simply getting
people to put up signs over outdoor outelts. The value is not for the 1%
who might use it , but for the 99% who pass it every day and subliminally
realize the EV charging is avaialble anywhere
Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:
Bill Egan, not Tom, I realized that as soon as I pressed 'send', but you
can't suck the data back to correct.
Catching tire wear before it shows in the tread is preferable to
learning the hard way, after the rubber is deposited as dust all along
the roadway. Was it
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
After finding tall skinny tires grip better in the rain thus eliminating that
concern it appears the heavier Tesla has radically different mpge but similar
styling to the total winner Ioniq by Hyundai . The light bubble cars did better
in the city while the
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
The i3 runs the wider tires in the rear at 44psi. The Nissan Leaf
recommends somewhere in the 30's. I suspect the i3 is more efficient
than the Leaf partly because of the tire choices.
Our 2013 Leaf has 30k miles on it, and I can say for sure that the stock
tire
paul dove via EV wrote:
> I don’t know what that means I assume that is a company’s name,
> however, what I said was correct. Alan designed the inverter and
> electronics for the EV1.
Paul is right. It went like this:
Aerovironment built GM's 1987 "SunRaycer" solar powered race car. It so
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
Let's keep in mind that in the north & north-east states.us have similar
cold weather like Canada. Changing a vehicle's tires for a half a year
for bad/challenging weather is par/the-norm.
Right on, Bruce. That's what we do here in MN, too. Those who try to get
by on
Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
I am seeing that elderly drivers could drive this vehicle on freeways
without using the steering wheel. What I would prefer is a slow speed
vehicle with about 40 mile range that would stop itself without the
driver using the brake pedal. My arms still work but I had to
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Is solar thermal water heating *still* more efficient?
"Efficient" has a different meaning when your energy source is free.
Energy efficiency usually means getting the most good out of a finite
source of energy.
Suppose you have a limited roof area that can
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
On 17 Jul 2019 at 23:30, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
Biggest issue is that strongish Radio signals trigger the computer to think
the horn button is pressed
That makes me wonder what else strong RF might cause the computer to do.
Blowing the horn is
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
But why are you so determined to use batteries when the cost of grid power
is dirt cheap.
It all depends on where you live. Some states have net metering; some don't.
Some even set up roadblocks, or utilities you a big penalty if you dare to
generate your own
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I don't think the power companies are going to stop pushing back until
they've effectively killed grid intertie.
No, they're not going to kill it. They want to *control* it; to monopolize it
and profit from it.
It seems like their model is to promote large
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
No, just because it produces 60 Hz AC does not make it a Microinverter.
Anyone can make an inverter, They are dirt cheap from 1kw to 3 kW and only
cost about 15 cents a watt! You can buy a 2 kW "inverter" for not much
more than $300. But that does not make it a
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Micro-inverters. Yes, grid tie is best. And most economical and completely
normal. That is true for residential solar generally, most homes will
benefit from grid tie. So no problem.
*If* you have the grid, then grid-tie inverters make sense. No batteries
needed.
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
How is the EMF from charging a car different than from an electric HW
heater or an electric range ?
A water heater or electric range is basically just a resistor. Its "EMF"
isn't anything but 60 Hz -- the same thing that's radiated by every
appliance, electric
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
If only there were some other way to plot a route to my
destination, something that can't be altered wirelessly.
Hey, I have an idea... "a map" and "a highlighter."
There is a long and fascinating history of auto navigational aids.
1909: The Jones "Live Map"
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Yep, these are all good ideas, including making H2 for grid storage. All
have their problems, but all can help with the "no wind" days, etc.
The big question will be just how much energy can we store with such
solutions? Society's thirst for power seems
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Electrolysis has thermodynamic limits to efficiency, but making H2 and O2
are a good way to store, large scale, renewable energy for which no other
means are as environmentally sound.
I happened to see a news article in the June 2019 issue of Machine
Design
paul dove via EV wrote:
I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the
EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture.
Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and
banking circles. Toyota pretty much
Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
My 2015 Spark (predicessor to Bolt) off peak charges to 100%. Then if I don't
drive it for a day it drops to 80% showing 20% kWh used even though no one
drove it. Is it running the air conditioner and heater or something just to
waste some energy to put the battery
Gentlemen, please! This is the electric vehicle *discussion* list; not
Facebook, talk radio, or a political campaign rally. People who hold an
opposing view aren't idiots, crooks, or liars. Let's skip the emotion,
and stick to the facts.
May I point out that most H2 fueled vehicles *are* EVs?
David Kerzel via EV wrote:
Most of these can run off DC either from DC input terminals or Just run the
DC in the AC inputs but derate as if it was a single phase input drive.
Input voltage should be nominal RMS AC voltage to peak AC voltage.
The drive is a volts/hertz or vector type, and they
John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
Is there any way to tell if an ADC 8" motor is advanced - without pulling the
motor out of the car?
I have a Sparrow, and want to make sure the motor has been set to advanced
timing before I put it all back together.
One way is to connect it to a 12v battery, run
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
Why would Roger consider getting his PbSO4 wet-cells from: Costco,
Interstate, or GC2's with small 75Amp golf cart terminals?
If for his home solar or his e-tractor
http://electrictractor.blogspot.com/
small lead battery terminals for low power use should be OK.
I
Chris Tromley via EV wrote:
If a simple, old-school and cheap solution is desired, I still have the
original 48V transformer charger from my Lectric Leopard up in my attic. I
bought the car with only a few hundred original miles and immediately
upgraded everything to 120V, so it can't have been
Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
Lambert,
I have a 48 Volt charger in a box in my garage that I believe is new. I
ordered extra parts for my C-Cars many years ago and have not used quite
a few of them. If you would like this charger and can get it from Las
Vegas you can have it. I can't pack it or lift
Hi Bruce (and all),
Bruce, thanks for digging up the links. A nice trip in the Wayback
machine. :-)
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
When I look at its schematic, it reminds me of what I cut my teeth on,
way-way back in grade school talking electronics with my Lockheed Engineer
Dad... ( : old : ).
Lambert Little via EV wrote:
Howdy all--I want to communicate with someone who is familiar with the old
Commuta-Car. Mine is a 1980 model with 48-volt system. My charger doesn't work;
when I plug the car in, the on-dash charging ammeter bumps, then zeroes. I have
a schematic of the system but
paul dove via EV wrote:
You are leaving out the self heating inside a battery under load
Self-heating helps; but it's not much unless you are discharging the
batteries pretty quickly (like a full discharge in less than an hour).
The heat from internal resistance is proportional to I^2R, so
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
wouldn't it be just as easy to insulate the battery and
provide a small electrical heat source. 100W or so?
Lets say a 1000 lB battery. It takes 1 BTU to raise one pound one degree.
To raise 1000 lbs say 40 degrees from 0F to 40F would take 40,000 BTU or
about 11
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
If you're building from scratch, wouldn't it be just as easy to insulate
the battery and provide a small electrical heat source? If well
insulated, how much power would it take? 100W or so, or am I completely
off.
It would of course depend on the physical size of the
Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:
What we seem to have deduced is that the controller and motor are a
matched pair. It seems without doubt that the controller manages the
voltage delivered to both the armature and the fields, otherwise the
"reverse switch" wouldn't be workable.
Yes, that sounds
Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:
It's going to be very interesting to hear your report about this van
when you get it running. I can't imagine how they made it even close to
streetable with no gear changes and reverse being changing the rotation
of that motor! You can get away with that kind of stuff
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I have a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and
what they've done to advance the EV cause... But Elon Musk is both Tesla's
biggest strength and their biggest liability... Musk should be kept as a
creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed
Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius
Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an
average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging
stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1
Willie via EV wrote:
On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote:
drag and increased energy consumption (and reduced range). Simply
raising a
vehicle increases frontal area by virtue of the tires being more exposed.
I believe the under car air speed is also increased. Or, maybe
increased
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
On 5 May 2019 at 20:36, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk
that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building.
Nope. Sorry. GM is a mass market manufacturer. That's a
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Good counter arguments! Thanks
You're welcome. And Thank YOU for such a cogent description on the
number of gas stations and amount of "fueling time that would be needed.
I'm no researcher, so it's hard for me to dig up this kind of information.
--
"If I
Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
Anecdotal evidence: I have charged a grand total of 1 time at the public
charging station across the street... So, for me the balance lies at over
99% private charging. I suspect others have similar experience and this
skews the picture quite a bit away from
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
For all those reasons, Lee mentioned, light weight solar vehicles make sense.
If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk
that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Lawrence Rhodes
Ah, but what you and I want
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas
stations are now.
The 300 million cars are served by about 120,000 gas stations in the USA...
What about when we get to 300M EVs? Lets assume 80% charge at home
leaving 60M needing public
Damon Henry via EV wrote:
I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are
now. There will always be a significant amount of people who charge primarily
at home, so the demand will be less... Don't know if that is good or bad, but I
know very few people have
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
What about nimh?
Good thought! The only possible problem with that is that in recent years
I've found it difficult to find good quality high-rate NiMH cells.
Indeed. You know the old saying; the Bad drives out the Good.
I wonder if one could use a set of
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Formerly you were allowed to travel with a lithium-ion battery of less than
300Wh. The standard lithium battery for the current "normal" Travelscoot
model is 274WH.
However, on at least some airlines, now I see a 160Wh restriction...
Older Travelscoots used a
Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
Hi Ron Solberg etc
All small wind turbines like my Bergey XL-1 have boost converters on them to
change the varying voltage to a constant float voltage for the L16 batteries
you mentioned. 13.8v is maintained per 12v increment or for your 48v system
you would use a
evtlfp20 via EV wrote:
Third, if you were able to charge them, check their internal
resistance. It cannot be the "17-22 meg" that you said. Did you
mis-type, and it's really 17-22 milli-ohms (0.017 to 0.022 ohms)? How
did you measure it?
Hi evtlfp20,
A good battery's internal resistance is
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Keep in mind that many hand held meters cannot accurately report mOhms. You
should look up the specs on your meter to see what it is actually capable
of.
Indeed, most normal meters are inaccurate below about 1 ohm. Their own
lead wires and internal circuitry adds
David Delman via EV wrote:
Thanks for the ideas Jay. It really isn't practical for me to remove the
batteries and rewire them in parallel.
I was wondering if I could build a simple "trickle charger" for the
entire pack.
I envision an isolation transformer 120vac in and 120vac out. The output
Lee Hart wrote:
There are lots of solutions. Which one is "best" depends on what
you've got, what you want to spend, and how good it needs to be...
One more thing occurred to me. Here's a way to "trick" a modified
sinewave inverter into producing a better sine wave.
Connect an induction (or
Ron Solberg or maybe Willie via EV (I can't tell which) wrote:
Well back to your question. Presumed to be "Can I clean up a square
wave inverter power to something acceptable to my onboard Tesla
charger?" I'm out of my depth. Surely Lee has ideas.
In the past, I believe I've seen him
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
it boils down to how many range-miles you have left, how many
range-miles you need to put back-in to get to the next EVSE, and how much
time you have to charge?
Overnight sleep or @work, plan to charge for at least 7 hours. L1 might
regain you (3.5mph*7= ) ~25 miles of
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/03/29/lost-and-found-overflow-that-time-mr-rogers-visited-a-mystery-ev-builder/comment-page-1/
Lost and Found overflow: that time Mr. Rogers visited a mystery EV builder
March 29, 2019 Daniel Strohl
after watching the segment, we’re
evtlfp20 via EV wrote:
I recived a shipment of NMC battery pack with zero volts across 12s ,
and yes they all showed zero.
I read about bumping the cells with nicad setting to get them to 3 volts
so the normal charging could begin and most of them charged to Storage
voltage and have held with
Dan Baker via EV wrote:
Thanks guys for the information. Ken and I are reaching out for help so
don't spank us yet for putting in something dangerous lol.
Hi guys,
I'm not trying to "spank" anyone. Just get them to look before they leap!
Did you ever have a (usually teenage) friend say,
ken via EV wrote:
My charger is set to be the right voltage but the old cells being 22 in
series string they need to equalized out at the top/end of the charge.
this requires some battery baby sitting,
if your cells are staying very well balanced then your voltage cut off
method/gadjet may be
>>> “Rivian, a Michigan-based startup that could become the first
>>> automaker to bring an all-electric pickup truck to market”
Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
Ahem, my all electric pickup truck manufactured by US Electricar in 1994
is certainly not the first
paul dove via EV wrote:
Ford
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
I am not sure about previous discussions and you may know this: Peukert's
Law is not applicable to Li ion cells in any way. It only relates to lead
acid cells.
I agree with the rest of what you said, but not with this. Peukert's law
says nothing about the chemistry
Ken Olum via EV wrote:
Hi, all. I'm trying to replace the UB121350 AGM batteries that I have
in my Electric Ox. I ordered new ones from Wholesale Batteries Direct,
but they are out and Universal Power Group is out at the warehouse also.
They recommended that I get the Bright Way Group BW
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Right now, a negligible number of people drive EVs.
The public at large still considers them golf carts, or rich yuppie
toys.
But each of us can make a huge difference.
Back in 2011, I bought some professional EV charging Outlet signs and hung
them on the two
Darryl McMahon via EV wrote:
Pardon my cynicism, but what if the oil industry's interest in EV
charging stations is not simply a relatively benign profit motive?
I'd say the best-case scenario is that the oil industry simply wants to
make money off EV charging. In that case, they would simply
Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
That is where voters come into the picture. Utilities and oil companies
can't do anything that the voting majority does not allow, iether directly
through their representative lawmakers or indirectly through the regulating
PUC. So, go out and vote AND educate other
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
That's a scary thought. I don't see it happening though. And I think the
reason lies in the balance between home charging and public EVSE
charging. As long as there are enough people home charging, they won't
be complacent to demands by power company lawyers.
But I
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20
minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to
get home and fill up there.
Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money.
What if they pass
paul dove via EV wrote:
The main point is that a lithium battery fire is a chemical fire
supplying its own oxygen so it can’t be smothered. One must remove
the heat and bring the temperature of the the battery below the
thermal run away point. I watched videos of firemen trying to douse a
paul dove via EV wrote:
Where do you get these batteries 80% off. I paid $1.20 an Ah in 2009. I need
some $0.24 per Ah batteries.
Well, plain old alkaline AA cells are often on sale for $0.25 each, and
they are over 1 amphour. :-) Non-rechargeable, of course.
Or, the Chinese advertise AA
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
I read it on the train. Here is my one page book report on Patty’s Motor
Car (1911): http://aprs.org/Energy/EV/Patty-b.docx
Thanks, Bob.
I have an EV book of that vintage as well. "Tom Swift and his Electric
Runabout" by Victor Appleton, copyright 1910. If
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
On 21 Jan 2019 at 1:18, ken via EV wrote:
What is a 10ths wire?
ten thousands
Wire of any kind or size is not an adequate substitute for a fuse.
Most fuses *are* a piece of wire of adequate size. :-) The trick is in
the choice of wire, and in how it is
Tom Hudson via EV wrote:
Agreed about the signage... but I think these Neanderthals would do it anyway.
We need to get photos of the offenders every time it happens and document it.
Using this kind of evidence, I'm hoping to get a state statute against this
crap here in Wisconsin so that when
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
I don’t know if they will or won’t bring in additional services, I only know
about the discussions on charging.
However, I suspect that bringing these other things would require a change in
statute, and would further be very controversial.
I don't know about
brucedp5 via EV wrote:
{I'm trying to postpone having to use a e-mobility cart as long as I can,
but I know it is in my future as each step is large amount of arthritic
pain. But as I push through the pain (not unlike a young man feeling an
exercise-burn of trying to build his muscles/to get the
Lee Hart via EV wrote:
Though I might add that form has not followed function in
automobiles for a very long time. They are all about styling and
cost. The internals reflect good science and engineering, but the
bodies are almost 100% styling.
Willie via EV wrote:
I can't completely agree
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
On 9 Jan 2019 at 16:19, Willie via EV wrote:
From what little I know of CCars, I would say that the most horrible,
overwhelming weakness is the body material that falls apart after a
few sun years.
They painted it with catalyzed acrylic enamel. That was
Willie via EV wrote:
Yes, it was ugly, and crude, and not very reliable. Nevertheless, they
were able to find a market niche where people didn't care what it
looked like. They sold thousands of CitiCars.
Who are you calling "ugly"? :-) I accept crude and not reliable.
I'm with you, Willie!
Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
Just learned a new word: hidebound. There are SO many different car
styles there must be wide preferences in appearance. Same as with
clothing, houses, even food shown on the internet in pictures of what
someone had for lunch and think anyone cares. Twizy and Citicar
Bobby Keeland via EV wrote:
For me a battery electric vehicle does not need to look like a goofy toy.
Willie via EV wrote:
Of course, a BEV does not NEED to look any certain way. Beauty is in
the eye of the beholder. Form follows function. Certainly the
hidebound will demand certain
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