Isn't that what a trickle charger does? I know lots of people who leave them on
all the time.
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Original message From: Robert Bruninga via EV
Date: 6/12/16 4:28 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: Re: [
Blah blah blah...
Any new technology takes time for people to come around. They are afraid of new
things and always go for the tried and true path. Few people travel the road
less trodden. They are called innovators.
Cell phones went through the same thing. then it seemed like suddenly
e
www.studmonkeyracing.com/forums/pds.pdf
Maybe this manual will help.
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Original message From: John Lussmyer via EV
Date: 6/9/16 10:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Golf cart controllers
So,
Was the old motor a brushed DC motor? If so then yes, you need an inverter for
a BLDC motor.
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Original message From: Willie2 via EV
Date: 6/9/16 9:24 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ebike
I am no expert on electric blankets but isn't it just a resistive heating
element? As long as the controller doesn't have a timer that cuts it on and off
it shouldn't care what sort of power is connected. A modified sine wave will
change the output of a crystal oscillator so if one is used in a
Could you be a little more detailed? You disconnected everything from what?
Each other? The battery pack? Etc? If you have a series wound DC motor then
carbon build up from the brushes can create a path.
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Well, I am of the opinion that the technology is less important than the person
or persons behind the project. Most EV companies go out of business due to
management. They get some government money and develop a product that has no
market. When the government money runs out the go into chapter
n one
>lithium pack with a total investment of $1 for 10 years? (not
>including
>tires or brakes).
>Time will tell, but so far, I have seen no degradation in range or
>power.
>Michael B
>
>On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
>ev@lists.evdl.
Seems to me there would be some technical difficulties to overcome as well. You
just posted an article about a college professor and his students doing this.
Only they used removable nodules in parallel which solves many of the issues.
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I am saying that if you got the energy efficiency of a Tesla you would need a
120kwh battery to go 400 miles at least and maybe more.
A Tesla charger they say on 110V outlet you get 5 miles range an hour or 80
hours to charge and on 220 V you get 30miles of range an hour 13 hours to
charge. On
While that's awesome I must admit it doesn't translate to everyday driving
because we spend 80% of the time driving and 10% slowing down or less. I think
Tesla only advertises 10% recovery from regen under normal driving
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I agree. I did this calculation when I converted a Toyota Celica. Weight was
dominant at slow speeds. I believe the two crossed at around 60mph and
aerodynamics became dominant. In fact, Jack Richard came up with a rule of
thumb that was real close on my conversion.
Weight / 10 = wh per mile.
M
He says:
Imagine that now you're driving your car, and let's say its 40 percent or
50 percent empty," de Callafon said. "You would have to charge it. Here you
could actually take, if you have 10 modules in your car, and take five out —
those are the ones that are empty — and put five in and you'r
Sounded to me like he pulled current from them all based on their soc but I am
not sure how one could pull that trick off.
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Original message From: Peri Hartman via EV
Date: 5/1/16 11:27 AM (GMT-06:00) To: robert winfield
, bru
I looked at one last weekend. It was 39,000 not 35,000 and it's a Leaf not a
Tesla.
When are the going to realize it matters how you treat customers?
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Original message From: brucedp5 via EV
Date: 4/27/16 2:31 AM (GMT-07:00) To:
In apiece entitled “A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric“, maps out all the
reservations held by traditional car dealers and their parent OEMs in selling
plug-ins to the US consumer.Chevrolet announces Tuesday, July 27, 2010 the 2011
Chevy Volt electric vehicle with extended range capability
The history of the EV1 is in the book "The car that could" by Michael
Shnayerson. He spent years inside GM while they designed the car doing research
on the book. He interviewed many of the engineers at GM. It's an excellent book
if you want to know the history. The impact was the first name of
That was good... I enjoyed that but I don't believe Tesla is competing with the
current automakers. He is redefining the whole industry. He doesn't care what
they do and they are only trying to comply with the government.
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Unfortunately government grants rarely lead to a production vehicle. That sort
of thing is a waste of taxpayer money IMO.
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From: Peri Hartman via EV Date: 4/9/2016 8:50 AM
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I have on your ever used one Chademo charger but it charged to 100% it drops
the current the closers you get to full.
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 3/29/2016
10:26 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Di
The GS Yuasa is a 50 Ah LFP cell used in the i-MiEV. The cathode material used
is a carbon-loaded LiFePO4 combined with a graphite cathode.
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From: Willie2 via EV Date: 3/26/2016 10:08 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: Electric
I still believe public charging stations are a mistake. Instead they should
give incentives to install at shops, resturants and fueling stations.
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 3/23/2016 3:16 AM
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We will see. IMO that is a sure fire way to shorten the life of the cell. I
seriously doubt that the cell is at a higher state of charge as well. It would
be nice to see the data does anyone have a link to their research.
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Another reason charging stations in the middle of nowhere is a bad idea. They
should give incentives to resturants strip malls and gas stations to install
them and let them charge for electricity. That way someone is responisible and
makes money to incentive their effort. These giveaways are ju
It is a stupid argument on many levels. It takes 5 to 6 kwh of electricity to
refine gasoline. An electric vehicle can travel 16 to 20 miles on that much
power. So it is close to a wash in that regard, however, refiners make their
own power so unless they feed the grid it will still need to come
Oil prices are controlled by brokerage firms just like all the other
commodities. IMO
OIL Prices, adjusted in relation to current fluctuations, have essentially been
a straight downward line since last September, when they fell from $ 50 a
barrel to the current $ 29. What was so momentous that h
regulator PCBs
On 7 Mar 2016 at 6:33, dovepa via EV wrote:
> http://www.evsource.com/tls_MK3.php
> These people appear to still sell them
Mark 3 != Mark 2, not even for very low values of Mark 3.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Adminis
http://www.evsource.com/tls_MK3.php
These people appear to still sell them
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From: David Chapman via EV Date: 3/6/2016 5:52 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Rudman MK II regulator PCBs
I have b
That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp
charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end.
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From: Cor van de Water via EV Date: 3/7/2016 3:18
AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle D
Sure but if you owned one you could customize it to your own liking hopefully.
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From: "Peter C. Thompson via EV" Date: 3/4/2016
9:50 AM (GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Utility NRG
selling o
Mostly unfounded concerns.17 % capacity loss after 100,000 miles. At least half
a new pack is paid for by gas savings at 2 bucks a gallon. Lots of people
Gerald rid of the vehicle before it gets to 100,000 miles
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089091_owner-of-10-mile-nissan-leaf-electric
We are just not out of the innovators stage of the adoption curve is all.
All new technology takes time to be accepted by the masses.
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 3/1/2016
3:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electr
Cylindrical lithium cells are easy to manufacture and mechanically stable,
making them enduringly popular. They’re also very safe – if internal pressure
grows too great, most cells are designed to rupture, mitigating safety hazards
– and benefit from longevity, an attractive price point and com
That is a normal and I don't believe there is a solution other than replacing
batteries or the batteries are good then you need to add more if you want more
range.
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From: "Craig M. via EV" Date: 2/25/2016 9:08 AM
As far as I know, no one is making a Nanoparticle battery yet.
In current list ion batteries there is 6% aluminum and 12% copper so there is
no money in recycling them.
A 100th cell might give you 6 Oz copper and 2 Oz aluminum
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Lithium Ion batteries can loose capacity when just sitting. Not all of it is
permanent and can be recovered by cycling the cells.
I let mine sit for over a year and some cells only had 30% capacity left. I
cycled them about 5 times before I got full capacity back.
I am not sure what sitting for
I agree. I also think they don't get used much so a big waste of money. They
need to put them on Highway routes between cities. Or just subsidize gas
stations to install them
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 2/8/2016
How could they patient inductive charging? That technology has been around over
100 years. My toothbrush charges that way.
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 2/7/2016 2:54 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject
I know of one case personally. A friend of mine traded in his old vehicle on a
new one. I few days later the dealership changed their mind and came and got
the vehicle. The kicker is they already sold his trade in so they gave him the
trade in value back in a check.
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Yes but we are talking about a company that can't make them fast enough for the
demand.
There are others that are glad to get his spot in line.
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From: Lee Hart via EV Date: 2/5/2016 11:55 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: Elec
x27;t like you, so you can't have a Tesla
On 4 Feb 2016 at 12:39, dovepa via EV wrote:
> I disagree. Why do business with a person you expect to criticize your
> work?
Because that critic has money, and you want some.
Because other people have money, and you want some, but they might
I disagree. Why do business with a person you expect to criticize your work?
Next think he'll be writing about how dissatisfied he is with the car.
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 2/4/2016
12:22 PM (GMT-
I find that story amusing
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 2/4/2016
3:14 AM (GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't
like you, so you can't have a Tesla
From the "CWAA" depa
Try welding cable suppliers
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From: m gol via EV Date: 2/3/2016 2:08 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: Cor van de Water , Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] SHielded 1/0
I was looking for something like this
I have a 60 mile range and I don't use all of that so I still think it's mostly
a mental thing. most people just think they need more.
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 1/29/2016 2:05 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists
One can measure the diameter of the wire to determine gauge
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/AWG.phtml
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From: Rick Beebe via EV Date: 1/20/2016 11:16 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subj
> You will notice that the code requires a 20 amp circuit for the garage, were
> your EV is likely to be parked.
>
> In commercial buildings, typically _all_ of the 120V receptacles are 20 amp.
>
> I used to be an electrician, many years ago. I wired (and rewired)
> _countless_ h
ircuit for the garage,
>
>were your EV is likely to be parked.
>
>In commercial buildings, typically _all_ of the 120V receptacles are 20
>amp.
>
>I used to be an electrician, many years ago. I wired (and rewired)
>_countless_ houses. :-)
>
>Bill D.
>
A 120volt outlet is usually only rated for 15 amps.
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From: Bill Dube via EV Date: 1/18/2016 12:07 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: Seth Rothenberg , Electric Vehicle Discussion
List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf Chargers
I belie
It keeps the oil companies in business
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From: Robert Bruninga via EV Date: 1/18/2016 8:47
AM (GMT-06:00) To: Mark Abramowitz , Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT fcv deliveries
halted> 2fe
Currently most hydrogen is produced by natural gas reforming which is not green
at all.
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 1/16/2016 2:27 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] OT fcv deliveries halted>
I believe you numbers are off the Tesla P85D has a 350 kW motor in back and 140
KW motor in front.
Converting to horsepower is mostly meaningless though what matters is torque.
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From: Mike Nickerson via EV Date: 1/14
r car? Re: Books on converting a car to ev?
dovepa via EV wrote:
> You left out the fact that series motors get too hot when operated at highway
> speed for extended periods of time. With the advance in battery technology
> this is causing some people issues.
Series motors intended fo
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 1/14/2016
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf donor car? Re: Books on converting a car to ev?
On 14 Jan 2016 at 6:34, dovepa via EV wrote:
> You left out the fact that series motor
Even when the smart phone weighed 20 lbs and only lasted 30 minutes.. the
early adopters all got one and never looked back.
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 1/14/2016 2:19 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org S
Yea Jerry, I made the same observation. Many of them just converted an ICE
vehicle like the Volt and the i-MiEV not taking aero into account.
In addition, weight is the driving factor on range below highway speeds.
Reducing weight is the best way to increase range. Probably why Teslas use a
lot
You left out the fact that series motors get too hot when operated at highway
speed for extended periods of time. With the advance in battery technology this
is causing some people issues.
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From: EVDL Administrator
Cool! I like all your charts about charging as well. Can I steal your work to
present at the office?
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From: Robert Bruninga via EV Date: 1/13/2016 9:29
PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Sub
Watch EVTV it's free. Evtv.me
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From: Bobby Keeland via EV Date: 1/12/2016 8:40 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Books on converting a car to
ev?
I plan to buy a new ev when the range is hig
ttery charging to 13.2v
On 12 Jan 2016 at 20:22, dovepa via EV wrote:
> Point was I don't need Lee's opinion or yours or anyone else's this sort of
> information is provided by the manufacturer.
Oh, yes you do. ;-)
I'm not going to name names, but my own experience shows tha
t basic knowledge of rechargeable battery
technology. Not at all a light read, I'm afraid.
Bill Dube'
On 1/12/2016 7:22 PM, dovepa via EV wrote:
> Besides Bill, I can read too!
> Take a look at table 3.
> Point was I don't need Lee's opinion or yours or anyone else&#
t as Lee Hart's battery page
says.
A real gell cell would foam the gelled electrolyte if you gave it an
"equalize" charge listed on the Trojan battery page, and that would be
the end of it.
Bill Dube'
On 1/12/2016 11:49 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:
> There are things you can do
age, and that would be
the end of it.
Bill Dube'
On 1/12/2016 11:49 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:
> There are things you can do to maximize life of the cells and the
>manufactures have recommended voltage and current settings but they will
>charge all the way up with a
There are things you can do to maximize life of the cells and the manufactures
have recommended voltage and current settings but they will charge all the way
up with anything above 2.15 volts.
I prefer to go to manufactures recommendations myself.
http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/batter
Lead acid cell voltage is 2.15 volts.
6 cells make 12.9 volts.
Anything above 12.9 will charge it fully.
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From: Robert Bruninga via EV Date: 1/12/2016 9:07
AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Su
I made an excell spreadsheet and charted my vehicle. Weight was by far the
dominating force until 65 miles an hour when are drag passed it.
In most cases you can divide the with by 10 to get a good estimate of Wh/m.
There are variables light temperature and others things they discussed that
a
Oh sorry, that would be DC to AC yes an inverter would work but it's possible
the Leaf charger will work on DC voltage.
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From: Seth Rothenberg via EV Date: 1/7/2016 2:04
PM (GMT-06:00) To: Rush Dougherty , Elect
That would be a DC to DC converter not a charger. Many AC to DC converters will
accept DC voltage I use one in my EV for the 12v out system. It takes the pack
DC 160 volts and make 12 volts DC for the auxiliary power. There is a formula
to calculate AC to DC equivalent voltage you can Google it.
I bought the Siemens off of amazon. Love it
http://www.amazon.com/Siemens-VC30GRYU-Versicharge-Electric-Flexible/dp/B00MFVI92S
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From: Seth Rothenberg via EV Date: 1/7/2016 12:51
AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle
That's not luck the inverter should limit the current. All the ones I have seen
do.
We're you batteries ruined? Did they explode?
I have an imiev and it charges the batteries fully but it limits regen current
to 100 amps I believe. Been a while since I looked. I'm sure the inverter
limits volt
I think it's unfounded. I didn't even notice an increase in my bill so how
is it going to bring down the grid. Silly talk by the talking heads
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 12/30/2015 4:14 AM
(GMT-06:00) To:
I thought the Leaf used a water heater and a heater core. at any rate I saw
a diy project where a guy replace his i-MiEV heater with a kerosene heater.
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From: Peri Hartman via EV Date: 12/24/2015 10:42
AM (G
It could if it weighs 500 lbs including passenger.
So, not likely
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From: Alan Arrison via EV Date: 12/20/2015 9:28 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone
World Solar C
All the vehicles on MARS are evs. ;)
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From: Roland via EV Date: 12/8/2015 1:08 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: EVDL Administrator , Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Leno's Garage
spins Local Motor
Looks like the BMW i3
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 12/7/2015 2:22 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: 2017 Chevy 200mi
Production EV Spied Before 2016 CES
Reveal
'Is anyone wor
Easy answer. It's called government regulation. Specifically the air pollution
control act.
England enacted similar legislation around the same time after 4000 people died
in London after a 4 day fog.
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From: Lee Har
Nice work
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From: Jay Summet via EV Date: 11/30/2015 10:45 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject:
[EVDL] S-10 air dam, J1772 inlet behind flip up license plate
I've completed the (mechanic
No, you have to be a member. I can email it
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From: tomw via EV Date: 11/19/2015 8:42 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] A math formula can model
li-ion pack aging, Pyrite pack
Yes I would
Yes they are all over Georgia as well since they had a 4500 credit there.
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From: Ben Goren via EV Date: 11/18/2015 8:03 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: brucedp5 , Electric Vehicle Discussion
List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: L
Thanks that's very interesting. I believe racing is what pushed ice vehicles as
well
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From: Jukka Järvinen Date: 11/18/2015 7:01 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: Paul Dove , Electric Vehicle Discussion
List Cc: Lee Hart Su
In my experience with Lifepo4 cells they achieve higher Ah capacity with higher
charge currents. I observed this on the bench as well as in my Celina EV. Now I
have an i-MiEV and I get 5 miles more range charging with Level II than I do
charging on Level I
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Jack Richard came to this conclusion years ago. He said Li-Ion batteries work
better hot. It's in one of his videos I watched. I don't remember details but
it was during all the Leaf problems in Arizona.
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From: bru
You would need to include the driver.
On a car the difference between 2500 and 2700 is not as significant as 500 and
700. However I have not converted a motorcycle so I am not even sure the rule
of thumb applies
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F
I don't remember that claim but he certainly claims that most fires are caused
by the BMW not shutting down the charger.
Does anyone have more details on this?
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From: EVDL Administrator via EV Date: 11/8/2015
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Big Electric Shocks Big Oil
California’s new emissions law enlists utilities to help wean drivers off
gasoline.
[OR so they are selling to the public]
It was no idle threat. SB 350 envisions cutting greenhouse gas emissions to 40
percent below
I have never had the need for fast charging since I bought mine 8 months ago
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From: "SLPinfo.org via EV" Date: 10/26/2015 8:58
AM (GMT-06:00) To: "JoeS." , Electric Vehicle Discussion
List Subject: Re: [EVDL]
There is another post that says it's a scam
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From: fred via EV Date: 10/24/2015 5:46 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: via EV Subject: [EVDL] gliders still
valuable?
I don't see too much group chatter about conversions, but
To Launch An e-Pickup Truck
Before Tesla
On 24 Oct 2015 at 6:44, dovepa via EV wrote:
> No one creates a market IMO.
Apologies for going a bit off topic here, but it's to make a point.
I'm not an economist so maybe I have my terminology wrong. I don't know
th
I've been hearing about this since 2009.. are they ever actually going to
do it?
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From: brucedp5 via EV Date: 10/24/2015 2:52 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Queen'sU DeLorean EV
It's hard for government to target the demise of an industry like oil. Are
officials are elected and no one would back such a plan or very few. Everyone
has someone in their family or that they know earning a living from oil.
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No one creates a market IMO. Elon filled a market that was already there. He
even said so he said he say rich people driving a prius and said someone
should make a car for them. They rest make them because of government mandate.
Big difference.
If the model 3 comes out it will sell. Problem
I love my i-MiEV. I too drive 20 miles to work 40 mile round trip. I've had the
car 7 months. Only twice did I get close to empty in my commute. Once 59 miles
and once 64 miles. The i-MiEV has the best battery chemistry IMO. GS YUASA
LEV50.
It has plenty of room and more power than most of the
I leave the charger in the vehicle and run the extension cord out the window.
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From: Chris Tromley via EV Date: 10/19/2015 6:32
PM (GMT-06:00) To: Robert Bruninga , Electric Vehicle
Discussion List Subject: Re:
Fuel cells still burn fossil fuels. Hydrogen is made from natural gas
currently. Oil companies are just trying to stay in the market IMO
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From: Ben Goren via EV Date: 10/16/2015 10:45 AM
(GMT-06:00) To: EVDL Adm
I drive an i-MiEV
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From: damon henry via EV Date: 10/12/2015 1:42 PM
(GMT-06:00) To: EV List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Gas vs Electric
Lawn Mower - Elec wins
Good point :) What are you driving to work? I put over 1
I see it as no different than any new technology their are always early
adopters that will pay any price to have it. Be it cell phones, plasma tvs,
teslas. etc.
I recall when plasma tvs were $15,000.
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From: b
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/feds-probe-2013-nissan-leaf-fire-traced-to-charger.html
Not really. ... where theirs smokethere's fire
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