On 30 May 2015 at 13:58, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> As I wrote: has anybody bothered to tell the NSA that what they're doing is
> illegal?
I'm not sure that makes a difference to them. But tossing that political
football round is OT for us, and also kind of pointless, since it won't
change anyt
On May 30, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Mr23 via EV wrote:
> Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?
The context is vehicles, especially new factory electric vehicles, with a full
suite of Big Brother spying equipment built into the car, hardware that we
already know reports back to the manufactu
Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?
On 5/30/2015 3:58 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
need a court order
Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or
On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>>> Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
>>> need a court order
>>
>> Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law
>> enforcement agencies that work with the NSA on "parallel constr
On Sat May 30 09:25:16 PDT 2015 e...@msn.com said:
>Here in Montana, there are fuel pumps for using in vehicles for off roads
>driving meaning country, state and federal. You can cross them, but cannot
>drive them.
Yes, and those vehicles probably aren't registered as on-road vehicles, so
woul
Here in Montana, there are fuel pumps for using in vehicles for off roads
driving meaning country, state and federal. You can cross them, but cannot
drive them.
The people that are using diesel fuel, the fuel is red color. The ranchers
that have old cap oil wells on there land which h
Roland wrote
>Also no federal and state tax on private roads.
So I guess that means that there is no tax on roads 'Not maintained by County'?
Rush
Tucson AZ
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On Sat May 30 07:58:46 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>This will depend on what type of speedometer you have. I am starting to
>replace the analog instruments with digital. The new digital has a external
>control where you can reset the mileage to any thing you want.
Yes, and what % of vehic
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> On May 30, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Ben Goren wrote:
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>> On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
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>> Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phon
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On 05/30/2015 02:00 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
> On Fri May 29 16:19:59 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
>
> There's this wonderful new invention that most cars have in them.
> I
On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
> Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
> need a court order
Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement
agencies that work with the NSA on "parallel construction"? How
Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You
need a court order
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> On May 29, 2015, at 9:17 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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>> On 29 May 2015 at 18:19, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
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>> Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how
On 30 May 2015 at 2:24, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> The Leaf console asks you to agree to their communications system,
> which requires setting up an account of sorts. If you don't agree, do
> they send the info anyway?
Good question!
I've found that not registering an Android phone doesn't s
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Better? It's the battery.
On 29 May 2015 at 18:19, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
I'm probably
On 29 May 2015 at 18:19, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
> Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
I'm probably going to sound tinfoil-hattish here, but how do you know that
your EV isn't already telling its manufacturer how far you drove last year?
If you have a Tesla, it almos
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Paul Dove via EV wrote:
Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
All car already have odometers, and many states already require annual
inspections. One way is to simply record the mileage at each year's
annual inspection when you renew your registration.
But since the
On Fri May 29 16:19:59 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
There's this wonderful new invention that most cars have in them. It's called
an Odometer.
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Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
They will have to make it a blanket fee that's added to your tag to work I
believe
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> On May 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Al Lumas via EV wrote:
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> The savings in fuel cost will diminish if / when States adopt a tax
I don't think you mentioned MPGe before. WIki and the internet are pretty
informative about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_per_gallon_gasoline_equivalent
Lots of links in the biblio area.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:08 PM, tomw via EV wrote:
> Yes they are inefficient. The typical nu
Yes they are inefficient. The typical number I've seen is around 20%. This,
and the fact that an ice continues running while stopped at a traffic light
but an electric motor doesn't (unless the vehicle has an automatic
transmission) are of course the main reasons for reduced energy use by EVs,
and
There may be 33.7 kWh in a gallon of gasoline but ICE's are very inefficient.
I'd multiply that by 0.15 to compare with an EV. Or am I thinking of this
incorrectly.
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> On May 29, 2015, at 9:26 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
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> Does anyone know how EPA estimates miles per kWh? I a
Does anyone know how EPA estimates miles per kWh? I am familiar with their
standard test cycle conditions. Do they just quote the miles per unit
energy based on what they use during that test? I ask because if I use the
D.O.E. conversion of 33.7 kWh per gallon of gas my car has averaged about
17
Hi Jamie,
There were no details on how CR tested the pack and what they recharged
to. Their overall draw was 3.15 miles/kwhr. I am thinking is that
these are typically ICE drivers and they may have been a little heavy
footed as compared to an experienced EV driver. Also, they are going
thr
On 5/27/15 1:15 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
I used 75 miles as the range because that is what Consumers Report is
currently reporting and I'd rather use an "independent" testing number
especially if reported range drops in winter.
Sure, as we've all experienced, the ranges of vehicles (fos
On 27 May 2015 at 11:30, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> You didn't account for the roughly 75% reduction in fuel cost to own an EV.
But that's the whole point. Many vehicle buyers don't! They think only of
the up front cost of the vehicle.
There are many reasons that someone might have that s
I used 75 miles as the range because that is what Consumers Report is
currently reporting and I'd rather use an "independent" testing number
especially if reported range drops in winter.
>>Rumors are flying about a 30kWh pack for the 2016 LEAF. If true, that
would likely get the range up over
Peri Hartman wrote:
And don't forget the battery replacement cost - perhaps after 10 years or 70K
miles?
Ben Goren via EV wrote:
It seems that batteries are lasting at least as long as ICE engines and
transmissions, and replacement new batteries are guaranteed to be much cheaper
than replac
On 5/27/15 10:03 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
It's getting there. Right **now** the Leaf has a range of 75 miles.
Actually the current model LEAF is rated at 84 miles EPA range. The old
rating was based on an average between the at-the-time recommended 80%
charge and a 100% charge. Along
On May 27, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> And don't forget the battery replacement cost - perhaps after 10 years or
> 70K miles?
It seems that batteries are lasting at least as long as ICE engines and
transmissions, and replacement new batteries are guaranteed to be much cheap
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Better? It's the battery.
I just finished reading the article and I came away with the idea that
On May 27, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> Solar at this time, where I live with low cost electrons (<$0.10 /kWh), is
> not a great investment without subsidies.
That's damned cheap electricity. And, at utility scales, the only thing cheaper
than solar these days is coal. Given t
I just finished reading the article and I came away with the idea that
the author could have substituted personal computer for battery, or
laptop for battery, or any of the other technological wonders that only
existed in the minds of Buck Roger / Star Trek fans. The question has
always been o
DL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales
Better? It's the battery.
The savings in fuel cost will diminish if / when States adopt a tax on
each mile you drive your electric vehicle.
To offset the drop in gas tax revenue due to EV's one State (Oregon)
has already adopted
The savings in fuel cost will diminish if / when States adopt a tax
on each mile you drive your electric vehicle.
To offset the drop in gas tax revenue due to EV's one State (Oregon)
has already adopted such a tax (1.5 cents per mile) and other's are
considering it.
Al
At 08:30 AM 5/27/2015, M
I think EVs might be a better deal (at least the smaller ones like iMIEV
and Leaf) than solar arrays. Solar needs subsidies to be a good economic
deal for the owner, hte going rate for electrons makes a difference too.
You didn't account for the roughly 75% reduction in fuel cost to own an EV.
“/The things that we like about EVs - the smoothness, the silence, the
instant torque, zero emissions, "refuel" at home - just don't seem to be
all that important to most people. Besides, in the last 20-30 years, ICEVs
have gotten better at a lot of these things./”
They sure have! Ice powered ve
On May 26, 2015, at 11:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Here's one: transparent inductive charging.
If we're dreaming, it's a wonderful dream. I don't think it's a very realistic
dream, but it's certainly wonderful.
As a bonus...going from inductive charging while parking to inductiv
On May 26, 2015, at 11:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> Any more EV ultra-convenience ideas that ICEVs can't match?
David,
Already there for me. Nearest gas station is 20 minutes away from us in West
Sonoma County, California. If I am just using one of my EV's locally, I have
to a
We are still in the innovator stage that's all. No speculation needed.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations
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> On May 27, 2015, at 1:37 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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>> On 26 May 2015 at 6:50, tomw via EV wrote:
>>
>> Plus today with instant ev
On 26 May 2015 at 6:50, tomw via EV wrote:
> Plus today with instant everything, putting up with inconvenience is
> sooo yesterday.
I think you're on to something here.
The things that we like about EVs - the smoothness, the silence, the instant
torque, zero emissions, "refuel" at home - ju
That is my experience too Peri, most people haven't thought much about it.
They have very little awareness of evs, and the general perception is they
cost more, take a long time to refuel, have less places to refuel, and don't
go far enough to be useful except for in town. All pretty much true I
Just put a 50kwh battery pack in your Jetta.
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> On May 25, 2015, at 10:39 PM, len moskowitz via EV wrote:
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> Cor wrote:
>
>> Plenty EV'ers have found out that their EV is their main vehicle,
>> that it suits 90+% of their driving needs and they either rent, borrow or
>>
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I am with you. But, if you make a fair accounting of the cost of fuel
versus the cost of electrons - it does look a lot better. Then you can
reasonably say that the EV is better for the environment. That much is
true but many folks won't let that sway them. In the even more intangible
si
Cor wrote:
Plenty EV'ers have found out that their EV is their main vehicle,
that it suits 90+% of their driving needs and they either rent, borrow
or share a long-range vehicle for the rare occasion.
Perhaps so, but with a 1990 Jetta lead-acid conversion that does only 25
or 30 miles on a c
On 23 May 2015 at 18:35, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Plenty EV'ers have found out that their EV is their main vehicle, that
> it suits 90+% of their driving needs and they either rent, borrow or
> share a long-range vehicle for the rare occasion.
Or use mass transit - if you can.
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True, new concepts take time to catch on. We who own EVs know these are
unfounded fears.
I would be apprehensive of selling my car and moving to a big city and using
mass transits because I've always lived in rural areas but many people get by
just fine like that.
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> On May
It's difficult for us EV enthusiasts to know what the rest of the world
thinks. So I went and asked three non EV people their opionions. These
are moderately affluent people who are married and own two cars per
household. I'll present their stories here but won't try to interpret
their meani
ting forever... Wheras the existing systems can cut one's
energy costs in HALF if they simply buy now. And every year they wait, they
are losing a YEAR of free electricity for life...
Rant off...
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cess! Stupid or not, those are your customers.
> The article just simply laid out their thinking.
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> Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG )
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>> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:31:52 -0400
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Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG )
> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:31:52 -0400
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> It's the battery.
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> > How trite!... Also, completely
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I think the main point of the article is that most families that can't
afford (or can't have for oth
stupid".
Peri
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Better? It's the battery.
How trite!... Also, complet
> How trite!... Also, completely wrong.
> The current battery is what makes electric cars viable...
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=3710&doc_id=277584
Here is my response to this stupid article:
The basis of your uninformed claim "Yes, Electric Cars Still Need an
Innovative Batter
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