On 1/30/2013 2:38 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
A great post Stephen thanks
Well, in fact what the post says is that the ones that sucks are the
logical positivists (and their dwarfs, the scientists), who took over
the power in Modernland.
I take this phrase, which IMHO describes very well
On 1/29/2013 6:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp predicts an infinite past.
What does that mean? That the UD has performed infinitely many steps before *now*? Or do
you propose a more physical measure based on entropy?
Brent
But that infinity can play before the big bang, but also,
On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep in the boring
hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Well ... Thanks :)
2013/1/30 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
we do WHOSE will???
I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man?
Are we still happy with our chosen values?
K
Hard for Gozer the Gozerian
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On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep
in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
Hi Bruno Marchal
I believe that there is no need for more
than one universe, since the multiverse argument
is based on the assumption that we cannot stand outside
or our universe. But we are nonphysical, so are already outside
of our universe.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
The religion I refer to is grounded in subjectivity,
that is to say, trust (1p), not 3p. Experience,
not deswcriptions. Science is based not on experience,
but on descriptions, 3p. And these are based on words,
which are constructred and interpreted
with reason.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I don't, except to report it.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO meditation is a perfectly
Hi Bruno Marchal,
When I read the Bible, it is a subjective act,
but not my own subjective act alonw, it is
contained in the subjectivity of the Holy Spirit.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Theology is an objective, derivative. human pursuit based on reason,
and reason, acccording to my Lutheran beliefs,
being objective (3p), cannot be free of error. Only faith (1p),
being doubly subjective (guided by the HS), cannot be free of error.
Obviously I cannot prove that.
Hi Bruno Marchal
That is, if comp actually works.
Is there any experimental proof available ?
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Hi Roger,
Pro-life will lead to
2013/1/30 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
Hi Bruno Marchal,
When I read the Bible, it is a subjective act,
but not my own subjective act alonw, it is
contained in the subjectivity of the Holy Spirit.
I´m afraid that when the bible and the Holy Spirit is put away by more
radical
Hi John Mikes
That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength
induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on
defense spending. And any defensive actions we have made
in the past only count against us.
Since we are dealing with fanatics. you could be right,
but my
Hi Russell Standish
I tried to find what you mean by nothing on the internet (without reading
your book),
but with no success. I suggest that if you want to promulgate your ideas,
a clear definition would be helpful.
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Hi Russell Standish
If this list has as a puporse to discuss ensemble theories of
everything, how can we comply with your wish if we don't
understand what nothing and everything mean ?
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Hi Stephen P. King
It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than infinite
universes.
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Hi,
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Not to worry.
Since, along with Leibniz (see his Theodicy) I believe that everything
is caused (sometimes unpreferably) by God, then faith is a gift, and,
contrary to Billy Graham, cannot be invoked by man. You cannot
decide to choose for Christ. You can however turn it
Hi Stephen P. King and Kim,
Indeed, it's very impractical, as are most of jesus' words. They are
the basic wishes, however, of the Kingdom of Heaven (God),
and it is our human struggle to try to bring these actions
to the kingdom of Earth. That is man's purpose, according
to Christian beliefs. As
About Infinity. / My opinion /
How could mere man comprehend infinity?
==.
Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics?
Because we don’t know what infinity is.
The concept of infinite / eternal means
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:03:04 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
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IMHO the Block Universe problem is pointless,
since it only discusses the objective, physical universe.
But the discusser belongs to the subjective nonphysical universe.
The discusser, at base 1p, is subjective, hence nonphysical.
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Hi Stephen P. King
The subjective universe is like the tao.
Whatever is said about the tao is not the tao.
So not to worry.
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Hi Stephen P. King
Here is where neuroscience can learn something from taoism.
1p is like the tao in that it isn't even indeterminant.
Indeterminacy is an objective property, meaning to others,
but 1p is subjective, it is like the tao, an opening, like an input port.
A receptacle.
We
Hi Stephen P. King
Cool.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Consciousness is not a force that might do things.
It is what allows us to perceive and know things.
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Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily
successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any
one person's Machiavellian scheme, rather I think religion (and other
cultural institutions) have been selected for in the evolution of
culture. I also
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net
God is life, consciousness and intelligence, not
a triangle with three sides.
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Hi Stephen P. King
Even Wittgenstein, who invented logical positivism,
soon abandoned it and spent the rest of his life
showing why it doesn't work.
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If you want to throw darts, consider Richard Rorty.
Rorty, now retired, is a pragmatist who broke with rationality in
his The Mirror of Nature and who was once a Big Bad darling of
mine when I was an agnostic leftist, once recomnmended that
science be read as literature.
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Hi Terren Suydam
Considering religion as a stabilizing social phenomenon is true,
but that's not all it is.
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Personally, my take on religion is that it
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:37:58 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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I sense God's presence.
That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if
you are sensing a omnipotent being who
What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
What is the most powerful means ?
By restablishing moral values in our homes, in our schools and in the media.
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How about starting with the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them
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To tell you the truth, that covers about everything.
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Hi Roger,
I find it harder to believe in finite universes. Why the precise number,
whatever it is?
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Hi Stephen P. King
It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than infinite
universes.
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What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Just like if you outlaw biological weapons, then only outlaws will have
biological
On 29 Jan 2013, at 15:04, Richard Ruquist wrote:
A block universe does not allow for consciousness.
With comp consciousness does not allow any (aristotelian) universes.
There is comp block mindscape, and the universe(s) = the border of the
mindscape as seen from inside.
The fact the
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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Mikes
That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength
induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on
defense spending. And any defensive actions we have made
in the past only count
On 30 Jan 2013, at 09:40, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen
deep in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
On 30 Jan 2013, at 09:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/29/2013 6:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp predicts an infinite past.
What does that mean? That the UD has performed infinitely many
steps before *now*?
Before the 1-now, yes. By first person indeterminacy, all the
computations seem to
On 30 Jan 2013, at 08:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
A great post Stephen thanks
Well, in fact what the post says is that the ones that sucks are the
logical positivists (and their dwarfs, the scientists), who took
over the power in Modernland.
I take this phrase, which IMHO describes
On 30 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote:
we do WHOSE will???
I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the
Michelin Man?
Of course it depends on what you mean by God.
If God appears to be he Michelin Man, we have already a problem as the
Michelin Man has a name, but
On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Just like if you outlaw biological
On 1/30/2013 1:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Mikes
That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength
induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on
defense spending. And any defensive
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Your rhetoric may work in other places where you argue with religious
people
I wish it had but no. Such is the awesome virulence of the religious mind
virus that there is nobody to my certain knowledge in which my
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:44:45 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are
Hi Roger,
What else is it?
If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can be framed in
terms of group persistence.
If you're talking about spirituality, whatever one means by that, it has
never seemed the case to me that religion is *required* for one to realize
one's spirituality.
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:47:35 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Mikes
That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength
induces our enemies
Might I remind everybody that the purpose of the everything-list is to
discuss ensemble theories of everything. If you want to know what that
is, please consult Wei Dei's description
http://www.weidai.com/everything.html
Granted, this does touch on a lot of topics, ranging over fundamental
On 1/30/2013 2:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:44:45 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
What is the least powerful means of
Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my post. Did it
feel good to mention it as far left? My experience is balanced, I was a
victim of right and left (and also of the so called middle) in my latest 75
years of active life on 3 continents.
Please try to understand what you
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:45:12 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote:
Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my post. Did
it feel good to mention it as far left? My experience is balanced, I was
a victim of right and left (and also of the so called middle) in my latest
75
I'm getting a bit jack of this term metadiscussion becuse it only ever gets
applied to what other people are choosing to discuss. People talk about what
people want to talk about. It's about taste, perception, preference and
prejudice. Even WITH rigidly adhered-to rules and conventions, this
Quantum biology: Do weird physics effects abound in nature?
Disappearing in one place and reappearing in another.
Being in two places at once. Communicating information seemingly
faster than the speed of light.
This kind of weird behaviour is commonplace in dark, still
laboratories
studying
Biology- - Evolutionary biology - - Physics- - Biophysics -
Quantum biology - Evolutionary biophysics on quantomolecular level.
( ! ? )
==.
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Quantum biology: Do weird physics effects abound in nature?
Disappearing in one
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