On 18 Jan 2014, at 02:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2014 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2014, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2014 4:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 04:42, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in
On 17 Jan 2014, at 21:01, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
I think that you are setting up a false dichotomy with the notion
of a finite unique physical universe in Step 8 of the UDA! In my
thinking each and every observer has its own unique finite unique
physical universe
Why?
Dear Bruno,
Could you ever stop being obtuse?
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 17 Jan 2014, at 21:01, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
I think that you are setting up a false dichotomy with the notion of a
finite unique physical universe
On 19 January 2014 05:26, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote:
Dear Bruno,
Could you ever stop being obtuse?
Dear Stephen,
Please don't start sounding like Edgar...
Please don't imply that everyone who disagrees with you is stupid!
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Dear LizR,
I know. I deserved that. It is just frustrating to explain something and
get a blank look in response.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:14 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 January 2014 05:26, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote:
Dear Bruno,
Could you ever stop
On 19 January 2014 11:16, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote:
Dear LizR,
I know. I deserved that. It is just frustrating to explain something and
get a blank look in response.
Do you have any teenage kids?!?
:)
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Yes, and friends that are teenagers in mental age.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 January 2014 11:16, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.comwrote:
Dear LizR,
I know. I deserved that. It is just frustrating to explain something
and get a blank
On 17 Jan 2014, at 00:01, John Mikes wrote:
...just take the 'infinite' seriously.
That's a wise suggestion.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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On 17 Jan 2014, at 01:51, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious,
I think this is misleading. Are you really
Dear Bruno,
There is a movie Surrogateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogates_(film),
that involves the ability to rest a body in far away locations or for
specific events/jobs/dates, just as we would rest a car. You might enjoy
it. I did. :-)
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jan 2014, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2014 4:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 04:42, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter
Dear Bruno,
I think that you are setting up a false dichotomy with the notion of a
finite unique physical universe in Step 8 of the UDA! In my thinking each
and every observer has its own unique finite unique physical universe
(thus each 1p is unique and FPI follows from the inability to
On 1/17/2014 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2014, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2014 4:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 04:42, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't
Hi Brent,
I think step 8 uses a false premise that one can anticipate all the
counterfactual events. Or looked at another way, it implies that to show
consciousness could be realized without physics requires creating a whole
physics.
I could not say better myself! Bravo!
On Fri, Jan 17,
On 14 Jan 2014, at 23:09, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
thanks for submitting Colin Hales' words!
I lost track of him lately in the West-Australian deserts (from
where he seemed to move to become focussed on being accepted for
scientific title(s) by establishment-scientist potentates - what
Liz: the first that came to mind was Edgar's isn't it obvious'? but I did
not want to make fun of him.
Of you: maybe. How do you expect me to give you examples from BEYOND our
knowable circumstances to illustrate what is beyond our knowable? Physix
works with the boundaries of our present
Bruno, as I recall my recollection of Colin was an oldie one from his
young-age ideas. Many many years ago.
John
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 14 Jan 2014, at 23:09, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
thanks for submitting Colin Hales' words!
I lost
On 17 January 2014 12:01, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz: the first that came to mind was Edgar's isn't it obvious'? but I
did not want to make fun of him.
Perish the thought.
Of you: maybe. How do you expect me to give you examples from BEYOND our
knowable circumstances to
On 13 January 2014 00:00, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:21:48 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not
On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious,
I think this is misleading. Are you really a dumb of matter? I think that
your body can be a lump
On 13 January 2014 04:42, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not also be conscious. What is it about that idea
that you see as not
On 1/16/2014 4:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 04:42, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not also be conscious.
Brent:
thanks for submitting Colin Hales' words!
I lost track of him lately in the West-Australian deserts (from where he
seemed to move to become focussed on being accepted for scientific title(s)
by establishment-scientist potentates - what I never believed of him
indeed).
I loved (and tried
On 15 January 2014 11:09, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
It depends on the boundaries *WE CHOSE. *Consider different boundaries
and the LAW will change immediately, even within our unchanged ignorance of
the totality.
I think I follow this but I'm not sure. Could you explain further, or
On 12 January 2014 19:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret,
they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct
which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes
observed
On 12 Jan 2014, at 05:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science’s
grapplings with consciousness, the
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:21:48 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not also be conscious. What is it about that idea
that you see as not
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:41:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 05:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after
On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that
On 12 Jan 2014, at 14:18, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:41:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 05:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
involving
the quantum and plants)?
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On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 12 January
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au
wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
by nature to harness quantum
information. That might be clarified in the future.
Bruno
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On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant
Why are we not more interested in the special arrangements?
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:21:48 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see
marc...@ulb.ac.be
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On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:43:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 14:18, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:41:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 05:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
On 1/12/2014 12:55 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 January 2014 19:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they
mainly
make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct which, with the
Dear Brent and LizR,
Could it be that we are really discussing the Word Problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_problem_for_groups
Note the relation to computations, via the use of recursively enumerable
sets!
A pair of words, as defined in the Wiki article, could represent the
content of
On 1/12/2014 9:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I'm sorry I repeat this answer so many times, but this claim is also
made so many times. The main problem I see with this idea is that no
progress has been made so far in explaining how a lump of matter
becomes conscious, as opposed to just being a
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On 1/11/2014 8:12 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science's grapplings with
consciousness, the blindspot I see operating is so obvious and so pervasive and
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:12:46 PM UTC-5, ColinHales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science’s grapplings
On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science’s
Phlogiston!!! Nice to hear from you, Colin! :-)
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I
On 1/11/2014 8:12 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
Consciousness as a State of Matter
Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
Hi Folk,
Grrr!
I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science's grapplings with
consciousness, the
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