On 12/6/2013 11:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What is subjective is the appreciation, or not, of the term theology, and that is
subjective indeed, but it could also be related to strategy. My difference with
Quentin is on that point. But I have already hidden the wording theology for a long
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Jason, please see: http://can-you-answer.com/
particularly: http://can-you-answer.com/CanBahaisAnswer/canBaAns.htm
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On 06 Dec 2013, at 19:48, meekerdb wrote:
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A religion is based on dogma,
On 06 Dec 2013, at 19:50, John Clark wrote:
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Can you refute comp-I?
No I can not because of the IHA principle.
Comp-I = Comp-Immortality.
Bruno
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I repeat the cult of men to men is the most primitive and
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A
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On 12/6/2013 10:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
There is no science. There are only field of inquiries, and
humans having a scientific attitude. Scientific attitude is field
independent. Research can be refrained only by abuse of authority.
Genuine
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On 12/5/2013 2:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics)
) just because there are an infinite number
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On 12/5/2013 2:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics)
) just
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Well John not you nor I are believers in QI but there seem to be
plenty on this list.
I neither believe nor disbelieve in quantum immortality, I am not
ashamed to
On 06 Dec 2013, at 23:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote (to PGC)
So your world discovery quoted above is already too dogmatic; even
to a Wiki-Taoist.
Are you saying we can't ? Yes, one hypothesis of science, is that
the world is understandable... if it is not, all of what you're
saying is
On 07 Dec 2013, at 09:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/6/2013 11:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What is subjective is the appreciation, or not, of the term
theology, and that is subjective indeed, but it could also be
related to strategy. My difference with Quentin is on that point.
But I have
2013/12/6 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
Science comes from latin and means knowledge... if some wants to use
science as a cover for something else, that doesn't redefine what it is...
science is an attitude towards pursuit of knowledge...
Thank you. The victims of sectarianism in the
For those wishing to delve deeper into Leibniz, see A modern monadology
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/jonathan-edwards/monadology
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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For those interested in the theory of conscious experience, see
the excellent site,
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/jonathan-edwards
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
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A definition of human consciousness
Human consciousness is experience by the first person singular.
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe experience,
not deal with experience itself. Actual experience is only available in
philosophical
Idealism (Kant, Plato, Leibniz).
Some basic principles of mind - a wakeup call for materialists.
1. There are two forms of knowledge: a) knowledge by acquaintance,
such as you have met Obama, and b) knowledge by description, such
as you have been told that Obama is president of the USA.
2. Knowledge by acquaintance is
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were falling back first into a Black Hole things that were behind
you would start to look as if they were ahead of you, and as you got very
close to the event horizon all the light from the entire external universe
would be
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Comp-I = Comp-Immortality.
I know what a bull is and I know what shit is so I know what bullshit is. I
know what immortality is but I don't know what comp is so I don't know what
comp-Immortality is.
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
What about comp-immortality?
That's what I'd like to know, what the hell is comp-immortality? How does
it differ from regular run of the mill immortality? Your homemade words
acronyms and phrases are getting out of hand.
have you an
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On 12/7/2013 12:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It looks like some atheists are condescending with the people. They act like thinking
that the people are so stupid that they should be allowed to believe in Santa Klaus. But
that attitude keep such beliefs strongly in the hand of the authoritative
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On 04 Dec 2013, at 13:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I repeat the cult of
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On 12/7/2013 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Describe an experience which gives sense to multiverses.
The Young two slits.
Only in some interpretations.
Brent
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On 12/7/2013 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But we know already that the universe, whatever it is, cannot entirely understand
itself, notably because no machine can ever completely understand itself.
That depends on it being digital and infinite.
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On 12/7/2013 1:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Dec 2013, at 09:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/6/2013 11:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What is subjective is the appreciation, or not, of the term theology, and that is
subjective indeed, but it could also be related to strategy. My difference with
On 07 Dec 2013, at 14:03, Roger Clough wrote:
Some basic principles of mind - a wakeup call for materialists.
1. There are two forms of knowledge: a) knowledge by acquaintance,
such as you have met Obama, and b) knowledge by description, such
as you have been told that Obama is
On 07 Dec 2013, at 17:37, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Comp-I = Comp-Immortality.
I know what a bull is and I know what shit is so I know what
bullshit is. I know what immortality is but I don't know what comp
is so I don't know what
Good explanation, Professor Marchal, so Comp is the same thing as what
Roboticist, Hans Moravec wrote about 25 years ago? Followup question. Does Comp
provide any conceptualization for, bluntly, stating it, resurrection of those
who perished, shall I say, 100,000 years ago? A Denisovian, or a
On 07 Dec 2013, at 17:58, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
What about comp-immortality?
That's what I'd like to know, what the hell is comp-immortality?
How does it differ from regular run of the mill immortality? Your
homemade words acronyms
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe experience,
not deal with experience itself.
Consciousness theories are a dime a dozen and
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On 6 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
Liz wrote Dec. 7:
*Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness (or a
theorist who does so) ? I've not come across any who do much of a job
(Dennett for example tries to explain that consciousness doesn't exist,
which doesn't quite cut it for me).*
I don't go for past 'big
Telmo asked:
*Honest question: isn't dark matter a fancy name for failed predictions?*
*I would not be so rude * - just call it an ingenious way to save our
scientific face in so far developed conventional science.
Then it required 'dark energy' in the dark minds.And ALL had been justified
by
On 8 December 2013 02:03, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
7. Intelligence is the ability to autonomously make choices.
This means that computers, since they can only do what is
given to them from outside by a programmer,
can have no true intelligence. Actual artificial
On 8 December 2013 11:50, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
I (a confessd agnostic) don't have all the answers, but have lots of
questions.
Pleased to meet you, perhaps us confessed agnostics with lots of questions
should form a club or something.
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Telmo asked:
*Honest question: isn't dark matter a fancy name for failed predictions?*
*I would not be so rude * - just call it an ingenious way to save our
scientific face in so far developed conventional science.
Then it
From Leibniz: gravity is the universal striving toward a more perfect beauty
James Collins, in chapter III, section 3 of The Continental Rationalists,
[Bruce publishing, 1967] discusses the metaphysics of Leibniz,
in particular Leibniz's belief that the universe is striving toward
a more
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On 12/7/2013 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Describe an experience which gives sense to multiverses.
The Young two slits.
Only in some interpretations.
Everett's idea explains the appearance of collapse without
Leibniz doesn't appear to be correct. The universe gives the appearance of
striving to become larger, and eventually losing bits of itself over the
cosmic event horizon, until in the distant future there will perhaps only
be a few galaxies left within anyone's Hubble sphere.
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Describe an experience which gives sense to multiverses.
The Young two slits.
Only in
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