>> I'm not reading Max's book, so I don't know exactly what he said,
Im reading the quote Jason kindly provided and responding to exactly what
Tegmark said.
>>but using FPI as in Everett QM and writing down which of two equally likely
>>events you actually experience is an example of bernoulli
On 03 Mar 2014, at 23:44, LizR wrote:
On 3 March 2014 20:27, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I find Tegmark's metaphysical speculations interesting, because he
is at least trying to get his head around the big questions, like
why is there something rather than nothing? In fact his is the only
satis
On 03 Mar 2014, at 23:48, LizR wrote:
Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the
impression that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4
beats to the bar, not 3?
Me too.
Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like
listening to music).
On 03 Mar 2014, at 23:33, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
?
Google translates "pie chart" by camembert and "apple pie", which
makes what you say rather funny.
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe
circulaire.
On 04 Mar 2014, at 00:01, LizR wrote:
Jesse, much as I admire your attempt to engage with Edgar and his
theory, I suspect you will eventually have to accept that he isn't
arguing rationally - it looks to me as thought he will just pounce
on some word you use, and twist it around to try and
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:44:43AM +1300, LizR wrote:
>
> If Max participated in this list then his theory doesnt look quite so
> clever! I didn't realise that. But he is at least popularising ideas that I
> assume are fairly esoteric for most people, even physicists and
> philosophers? Which I wo
On 03 Mar 2014, at 20:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/3/2014 10:57 AM, LizR wrote:
What is this "everything" which is "computational" ? Specifically,
what does the processing, what stores the results? A computation
needs states and a programme and input and output data. What are
these, where are
Hi everyone,
Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno
Marchal's "The Amoeba's Secret" is now available from Amazon's Kindle
store. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRLEKPA
The Amoeba's Secret was written when Bruno received the
prestigious Prix Le Monde de la Recherche
I'm not reading Max's book, so I don't know exactly what he said, but using FPI as in
Everett QM and writing down which of two equally likely events you actually experience is
an example of bernoulli trials. The proportion of 1s and 0s both converge to 1/2 in
probability. This is exactly the w
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:18 PM, chris peck wrote:
> Hi Liz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *>> 0001 0010 0011 0010 0011 0100 0101 0110 0111 1000 1001 1010 1011
> 1010 1011 1100 1101 1110 Of which I'm fairly sure half the digits are 0
> and half 1!What am I missing here?*
>
>
> If you concatenate all those
Hi Liz
>> I'm not sure I follow.
Me neither.
>> wrote down your room number each time, you'd in almost all cases find that
>> the sequence of zeros and ones you'd written looked random, with zeros
>> occurring about 50% of the time."
there would be no 'about' it were your interpretation righ
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>> I came upon an interesting passage in "Our Mathematical Universe",
>> starting on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreci
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote:
> With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors
(energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other th
I'm not sure I follow. Tegmark said "If you repeated the cloning experiment
from Figure 8.3 many times and wrote down your room number each time, you'd
in almost all cases find that the sequence of zeros and ones you'd written
looked random, with zeros occurring about 50% of the time."
That seems
Hi Liz
>> 0001 0010 0011 0010 0011 0100 0101 0110 0111 1000 1001 1010 1011 1010
>> 1011 1100 1101 1110
Of which I'm fairly sure half the digits are 0 and half 1!
What am I missing here?
If you concatenate all those strings together you'll get a bigger string in
which the proportion
On 4 Mar 2014, at 1:33 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
> Counting this way, you'll hear the macro structure of the main line as
> composer intended in triple meter. I don't know whether this obfuscates more
> than it helps enjoyment of the thing, though... especially since composers
> don
I should have listened after all. I always think of a certain part of
Carmina Burana...
>
>
>
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
>
> On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR wrote:
>
> Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression
> that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar,
> not 3?
>
>
>
> Maybe I missed the point. I am not "
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM, LizR wrote:
> Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression
> that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar,
> not 3?
>
> Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like listening
> to music).
>
On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR wrote:
> Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression that
> "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar, not 3?
>
> Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like listening to
> music).
You
Hm. I don't know if the first one was OK but anyway let's look at the
second one.
A Kripke multiverse (W, R) is said transitive if R is transitive. That is
alpha R beta, and beta R gamma entails alpha R gamma, for all alpha beta
and gamma in W.
Show that
(W, R) respects []A -> [][]A if and onl
I think "knowledge is power" refers to things like being able to make
better weapons. A lot of people on the receiving end of various invasions
would agree that the reason they lost was the enemy's superior technology.
I'm not sure why I keep saying this sort of thing, me being a peace loving
pers
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On 4 March 2014 14:07, wrote:
> Look at it this way, unless you are very rich and contribute tons of cash
> to politicians, we will probably have no influence on this issue. If I had
> my wishes I would like fund the building of unsinkable (like the Titanic)
> cities and wildlife sanctuaries on t
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On 4 March 2014 13:42, wrote:
> What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings?
>
> Human beings, no question (in my opinion)
Of course we've already destroyed the REAL environment, most of it 1000s of
years ago, mainly as a result of inventing agriculture (and fire). My
concer
What if the sad choice is saving the environment or human beings?
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On 4 March 2014 06:48, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 C
On 4 March 2014 13:04, wrote:
> I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
> everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and
> research about the holographic universe, the more it seems like
> consciousness might be a program (for want of a better w
OK, so ignoring Brent who I'm sure is way ahead of me...
The problem is to show that
(W, R) respects []A -> A if and only if R is reflexive,
Where reflexive means for all alpha, { alpha R alpha } (and *nothing more *is
implied!)
And []p means that p is true in all worlds reachable from the worl
I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and research
about the holographic universe, the more it seems like consciousness might be a
program (for want of a better word) in physics, which somehow itsel
"was is" - sorry, I hit send too soon. (Pick one!)
I'm also for wind farms, when I lived in Wellington we had lots of those
and I was quite happy with them. If you've got it...!
And I would be for nuclear, if it could be shown to be safe (within
reason). Nuclear free New Zealand relies heavily on
On 4 March 2014 06:48, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote:
>
> > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors
>> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things
>>
>
> And one of those other things you need to worry about is
Jesse, much as I admire your attempt to engage with Edgar and his theory, I
suspect you will eventually have to accept that he isn't arguing rationally
- it looks to me as thought he will just pounce on some word you use, and
twist it around to try and make a case.
He is, in other words, a troll.
I should also mention that in the quote, Max says that you wake up in room
0 or room 1, so if we WERE omitting leading zeroes, we'd write
"11..." !
Shurely shome mishtake!
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On 3 March 2014 20:36, chris peck wrote:
> Being strict, already with binary sequences just 4 digits long, only 37.5%
> of those contain half zeros. This drops the longer the sequences get. So,
> with sequences 6 digits long, only 31.25% contain half zeros. With
> sequences 8 digits long only 27%
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> No, it was you that said there was NO correlation.
>
Jeez Edgar, you really need to work on your reading comprehension. I just
got through AGREEING that I had said that there wasn't a correlation, but I
explained that this was bec
Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression
that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar,
not 3?
Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like listening
to music).
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On 3 March 2014 20:27, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I find Tegmark's metaphysical speculations interesting, because he is at
> least trying to get his head around the big questions, like why is there
> something rather than nothing? In fact his is the *only* satisfactory
> answer to that question I've
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> ?
> Google translates "pie chart" by camembert and "apple pie", which
> makes what you say rather funny.
>
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe circulaire.
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On 4 March 2014 08:00, meekerdb wrote:
> On 3/3/2014 10:57 AM, LizR wrote:
>
> What is this "everything" which is "computational" ? Specifically, what
> does the processing, what stores the results? A computation needs states
> and a programme and input and output data. What are these, where are
Liz,
The 'results' and the 'everything' are the actual information state of the
universe. There is NO separate storage of anything other than the current
information state of the universe. The current information state of the
universe is continually being computed by the computations.
No, it
Jesse,
No, it was you that said there was NO correlation. In any case that's
irrelevant if we know you now accept that there is a very LARGE correlation
in most situations, and a definable correlation in ALL situations. That
there is always SOME correlation.
By actual age changing effect I mea
> On 4 Mar 2014, at 3:07 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 3 Mar 2014, at 8:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
What is it, Bruno, about 3 beats to the bar that precisely, irrefutably
describes to my mi
On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM
Liz,
Thanks but P-time doesn't need to "be rescued from relativity" since it's
completely consistent with relativity, though apparently not with some
people's interpretation of relativity.
Edgar
On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>
> By the way, a friend suggested how Edga
On 3/3/2014 10:57 AM, LizR wrote:
What is this "everything" which is "computational" ? Specifically, what does the
processing, what stores the results? A computation needs states and a programme and
input and output data. What are these, where are they stored? Also, a computation uses
energy an
I still haven't understood the opening paragraph.
> Begin by assuming a world in which everything is computational. In
> particular where the usually single pre-existing dimensional spacetime
> background does NOT exist.
>
> What is this "everything" which is "computational" ? Specifically, what
d
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> OK, this is some progress.
>
> Now you've gone from saying there is NO correlation at all, to the ages
> ARE CORRELATED WITHIN SOME LIMIT. In other words we DO know that for any
> set of twins we can always say that their ages ARE
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM, wrote:
> why do we get tired
>
Because we run out of fuel or because of lactic acid buildup in our muscles.
> Why do we need to sleep?
>
Probably because we're primarily visual animals and Evolution weeded out
individuals who didn't get sleepy because they wast
By the way, a friend suggested how Edgar's p-time could be rescued from
relativity. If the universe is a simulation running on a game of life,
which is itself running in a Newtonian universe with separate space and
time dimensions (and assuming the simulation can handle relativity - we
weren't sure
On 3/2/2014 11:55 PM, chris peck wrote:
*>> **Naah. The *fractional* deviation from 50/50 keeps going down as
1/sqrt(n).*
You'll have to explain further because it keeps going down. And at 4 digits its already
well below 50% And at 16 digits its already below 20%. If you're generous and say a
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella wrote:
> With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors
> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things
>
And one of those other things you need to worry about is dimwitted and
hypocritical environmentalists who don't
Jesse,
OK, this is some progress.
Now you've gone from saying there is NO correlation at all, to the ages ARE
CORRELATED WITHIN SOME LIMIT. In other words we DO know that for any set of
twins we can always say that their ages ARE the same within some limits.
Correct?
This is a VERY BIG CHANGE
Eugen,
That's not that bad ...
Now I can make some sense of what you "see".
Like Craig reminds me the talk of the "universal soul", there is a
ring of "intelligible matter" and/or sensible "matter" in your
"theory" below.
Unfortunately your explanation of computation was non sensical. You
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Your position becomes more and more absurd.
>
"My position" is simply that for any question on which different frames
give different answers, there is no physical basis for judging one frame's
judgments to be "reality" while othe
On 01 Mar 2014, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot
>>> information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
>> That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest
level. The integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything
Brent, et al,
I officially challenge anyone to poke any holes in my theory of how
spacetime emerges from quantum events or prove it wrong. If no one takes me
up on the challenge I'll have to assume everyone accepts it by default.
I claim the theory
1. Resolves all quantum paradox
2. Provides a
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
>
>
> On 3 Mar 2014, at 8:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> What is it, Bruno, about 3 beats to the bar that precisely, irrefutably
> describes to my mind a circle?
>
>
> You tell me.
>
> Bruno
>
>
> Sure. I think it is this:
>
> http://youtu.be/AP
On 03 Mar 2014, at 11:36, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 3 March 2014 17:40, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What if someone says that the function of the brain is to provide
consciousness. Is that functionalism?
What if someone says that the function of the brain is to link a
"divine"
soul to a pers
Jesse,
Your position becomes more and more absurd.
You claim they DO have a unique 1:1 correlation of their ages when they are
together but they DON'T when they separate.
So how far do they have to separate before this correlation is lost? 1
meter? 1 kilometer, 1 light year?
And is the correl
On 3 Mar 2014, at 8:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> What is it, Bruno, about 3 beats to the bar that precisely, irrefutably
>> describes to my mind a circle?
>
> You tell me.
>
> Bruno
Sure. I think it is this:
http://youtu.be/AP_CSQgBPpQ
The angel and the devil both pumping The Wheel of F
On 3 March 2014 17:40, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> What if someone says that the function of the brain is to provide
>> consciousness. Is that functionalism?
>> What if someone says that the function of the brain is to link a "divine"
>> soul to a person through a body?
>> What is a function?
>
> No,
On 03 Mar 2014, at 09:50, Kim Jones wrote:
On 3 Mar 2014, at 6:49 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Mar 2014, at 08:32, Kim Jones wrote:
On 2 Mar 2014, at 11:03 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 11:13, Kim Jones wrote:
Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL
On 1 Mar 2014, at 7:43 pm, Br
On 3 Mar 2014, at 6:49 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 03 Mar 2014, at 08:32, Kim Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2 Mar 2014, at 11:03 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 02 Mar 2014, at 11:13, Kim Jones wrote:
>>>
Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL
> On 1 Mar 2014, at 7:43 pm,
On 03 Mar 2014, at 08:36, chris peck wrote:
>> If you repeated the cloning experiment from Figure 8.3 many
times and wrote down your room number each time, you'd in almost all
cases find that the sequence of zeros and ones you'd written looked
random, with zeros occurring about 50% of the
On 03 Mar 2014, at 05:40, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/2/2014 9:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Brent, Liz, others,
I sum up the main things, and give a lot of exercises, or
meditation subject.
Liz we can do them one at a time, even one halve. Ask questions if
the question asked seems unclear.
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