Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

And why should I care what the Quran says? Brent "Science flies to the moon.  Religion flies into buildings."    --- Vic Stenger On 5/15/2019 7:47 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: The Quran presents a similar idea of one gigantic sky layered into seven skies, each with its own laws/commands/affair. Ple

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

The Quran presents a similar idea of one gigantic sky layered into seven skies, each with its own laws/commands/affair. Please read excerpt below ... Revisiting Surah alFussilat (Explained in Detail), we read: ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ ائْتِيَا

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

There have been a number of "precognition hotlines" on the internet in the past, with thousands or millions of hits - _but their "batting average" is flat ZERO_. One such website is http://thepremonitions.com . James Randi, now retired (randi.org), had a million dollar challenge for any type of

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/15/2019 11:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 22:20, Jason Resch > wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 9 May 2019, at 20:47, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:18 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/15/2019 11:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 21:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/13/2019 4:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 May 2019, at 17:36, Jason Resch > wrote: On Fri, M

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fa

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 5/15/2019 10:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: For me, the term "paranormal" is nonsensical. What is meant by "normal"? I guess people usually mean "something not predicted by the current scientific theories". I have no problem accepting that the current scientific theories are incomplete. Of

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:53 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 14 May 2019, at 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > That may well be the case, but I fail to see the relevance of such an > observation. My consciousness supervenes on my brain as it is now — > > > With mechanism, and I think with QM, your b

Re: Precision

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 5:58:07 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 12:59:59 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:07:07 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal w

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot be derived from or defined by labels. And it depends on the mo

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Mathematical logic distinguish well the name of a thing and the thing itself. You confuse “0” and 0. Also, when you say that something does not exist, you might give us your metaphysical axioms. Taken literarily, what you say is like saying that t

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/15/2019 8:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Nothing is wrong, except that you are using a different notion of "real". Integers are invented by humans, even though there is intersubjective agreement about them. I would say we invented theories (axioms) to study them, but that the p

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/15/2019 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if

Re: Precision

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 12:59:59 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:07:07 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> > On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>> > >>> > ‘

Re: Precision

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 10:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > That "there is only one electron in the universe. All these electrons we > see are just the same electron weaving through space and time" would > explain telepathy and precog

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 14 May 2019, at 00:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:08 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:30 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Fri, May 10

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 13 May 2019, at 22:20, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 9 May 2019, at 20:47, Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:06 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everythi

Re: Precision

On 5/14/2019 10:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: That "there is only one electron in the universe. All these electrons we see are just the same electron weaving through space and time" would explain telepathy and precognition. Only the way "God did it." explains the miracles at Lourdes. Brent

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 13 May 2019, at 21:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 May 2019, at 01:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/10/2019 8:17 AM, Ja

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 13 May 2019, at 21:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 10 May 2019, at 17:36, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 1:02 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything Li

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:06:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 May 2019, at 00:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > in which we can interpret the proposition. “2+2=4” is true if it is the > case that 2 + 2 = 4. > > > Semantics is a big deal in programming language theory. > https

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 13 May 2019, at 20:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> We must assume the existence of a physical reality, sure, but we don’t need >> to assume that the physical reality is fundamental or independent of the >> mind of th

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:31:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > There is no settled "truth" in mathematics. > > For example (as Hamkins shows) the CH is true in one dialect (of set > theory) and false in another. > > > That wa

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 13 May 2019, at 08:31, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 May 2019, at 19:57, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: > >> Is a theory of dark matter already lurking within TOA (Theory Of >> Arithmetic) ready to be derived? >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, May 15, 2019, at 13:42, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technology" and the > "motivation" existed at the moment of their occurrence. Actually, it seems > that the conditions required for paranormal phenomena are being met way

Re: Precision

Am 15.05.2019 um 07:59 schrieb Philip Thrift: ... On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ‘I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,631,031,296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons.’

Re: Precision

This is not a joke. For internal reason Eddington evaluated the number of particles as N = 2 x 136 x 2^256. To show it more vividly, he has written this result in full. Evgenii Am 14.05.2019 um 16:24 schrieb Bruno Marchal: On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ‘I believe there a

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 14 May 2019, at 02:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> It is Bruce who accuses Platonism of being a failure, even though he is not >> able to name any point where physicalism succeeds and Platonism fails. It >> goes wit

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 14 May 2019, at 01:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My >> body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount to that mass. >> What amo

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 14 May 2019, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019, at 22:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> Physicalism fails to acco

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 14 May 2019, at 00:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:36:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Physicalism fails to account for consciousness. This is the worst possible >> failure I can imagine, given that consciou

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 13 May 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot be >> derived from or defined by labels. > > And it depends on the model. Which is why it's u

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 13 May 2019, at 23:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On 13. May 2019, at 05:19, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch >>

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Some years ago, some astronomer or cosmologist introduced the idea of One Gigantic Universe, but many, many, "domains," which, for me, is the same thing as Everett's-Deutsch's-Tegmark's multiverses. I am not sure if all domains followed the identical laws, or varied, or..? -Original Messag

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 13 May 2019, at 08:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:49 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:20 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jason Resch

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 13 May 2019, at 08:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > > Incompleteness disproves nominalism. Arithmetical truth was proven not only > to be not human defined, but to be not human definable. > > > > (This is something

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 13 May 2019, at 04:52, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Fri, May 10

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:30 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >> Most scientists would say quarks are real, because th

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 12 May 2019, at 00:38, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/8/2019 11:28 PM, smitra wrote: >> On 08-05-2019 21:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> On 5/5/2019 7:06 PM, smitra wrote: Or perhaps it's a mistake to attribute consciousness to particular

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 11 May 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 11 May 2019, at 00:30, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:24:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Wittgenstein is sum up with his “what we cannot talk about should not be >> talked >> about”, but that is self-defeating (What are you talking about Mr >> Wittgenstein?

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they >> are theorems derived from the axioms. >> > > This is false. I

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 10 May 2019, at 18:48, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:25 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Turing was interested in intelligence and, being a scientist, he knew he > >> couldn't say anything about consciousness unless he made the assumption > >>

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no lab

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/14/20

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

As I pointed out earlier, quantum mechanics allows for a weak (or freak) phenomenon of telepathy and/or precognition. But *how weak* is the thing. @philipthrift On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 7:42:25 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technolog

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technology" and the "motivation" existed at the moment of their occurrence. Actually, it seems that the conditions required for paranormal phenomena are being met way more often that the conditions required for Moon landing. So, it appears that

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Well, I wasn’t born when it happened but my father watched it on TV. We can never be 100% sure of anything except that we are conscious, but the technology existed and so did the motivation. I find it astronomically more likely that they really went there than that they managed to maintain such

The anecdote of Moon landing

I heard there are a couple of people that claim they've been on the Moon. I asked them to prove it to me by going again, but they said they cannot do it. What do you think ? Is this anecdote true ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" g

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> That is impossible. The first person plural is when two persons enter the >> annihilation box. They will share the indeterminacy

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 10 May 2019, at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 7 May 2019, at 01:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch > > w