s, or whether or not more than
> one present moment exists, so for what reason should we believe that the
> current present moment will disappear and be replaced with a new future
> moment?
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> The idea that time flows, when followed to its logical ends, seems to
> undermine the ver
Dear Jason,
As many as are possible.
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>> I would not say " that only
is is a concept almost identical to
> what Lou Kauffman uses in his notion of eigenforms.
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> It is the Dx = "xx" method. I don't see what is Heraclitean. On the
> contrary, it is Parmenidian, and the Heraclitean aspect is recovered by the
> "& p" n
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Dear Russel and Kim,
I remember fondly when the translation of Bruno's thesis was being
discussed. I am very happy to see the results of your hard work. Thank you
for doing this! I will be buying a copy of it asap. :-)
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:43:05 AM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote:
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> H
This article is packed full of falsehoods that a simple bit of research
could correct.
read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale
As to its main point, all predictions are based on models. Models are never
the "real thing". Duh! So some "expert" has a wrong model. Big News! LOL.
What is the poin
All of those "different versions of you" have slightly different quantum
states, or else they would be exactly this "you" and not "a different
version". There is no contradiction.
On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:55:47 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
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some technology will it all may be
> recoverable What have you been reading?
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> Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological
> advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be
> a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon enough we will be syphoning h
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taken to the absurd - why
> > not include all the uranium in the solar system, our entire galaxy -
> > after all who knows maybe someday with some technology will it all
> > may be recoverable What have you been reading?
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> > *From:*everything
Again. One does not harness such a beast. One learns to ride it.
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ones that I built for myself. The data is hard to get...
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This data is interesting:
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Green-Growth-Ventures-LLC.html
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Are our fears of AI running amuck and killing random persons based on
unfounded assumptions?
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> AI is being developed and funded primarily by agencies such as DARPA, NSA,
> DOD (plus MIC contractors). After all smart drones with in
to be "sane"? What is sanity anyway?
Another question is: Would AI have a view of the universe that can be
matched up with ours? If not, how would we expect it to "see the world"
that it interacts with? Our worlds and that of AI may be disjoint!
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and to be sequentiable properly.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM, LizR wrote:
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>>My point about Aliens being AGI is simple. A sufficiently advanced
>> alien civilizatio
that distributed computation is an AGI, we would never know it is there and
neither would it know we are here.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:23 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> But here is the thing: the
Hi LizR,
Sequentiable means that the correct sequence of operations occurs.
Information is sensitive to orderings after all. 101001010010 is not the
same number as 00100110001
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tion" behaviors associated -
See Dawkin's The extended Phenotype
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Extended_Phenotype> - Humans are quite
capable of becoming members of a sufficiently expressive language as
silicon hardware...
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:57 PM, LizR wrote:
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Modulo decryption
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>> Hi LizR,
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>> Sequentiable means that the correct sequence of operations occurs.
>> Information is sensitive to orderings a
Hi Chris,
Could you send me your thoughts about dependency injection to my gmail
address so that we can continue? kingstephenp...@gmail.com
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>Could we discuss this further
t of some kind? Or a
> 'mental nightpot'? as long as we supply, we last. Then we are out.
> (A similarly unfounded fantasy - just as the so called 'scientific' ones).
> John M
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Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> Hi John,
>>
>>"why would have want the Zookeepers intelligence from the Earthlings?
>> "
Humans interacting with each other form very nice (in terms of
expressiveness <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_power>) adaptive
networks.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Stephen Paul King <
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> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation&q
Umm, explain: "Absorbed". I'm not groking it...
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM, LizR wrote:
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> wrote:
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>> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
>>
>> Only if you aren't absorbed. Otherwise
Zerg <http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Overmind>! ?
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 4 September 2014 13:45, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
>>
>> Only if you aren't absorbed. Otherwise
appen. It always
goes the opposite direction: minds tend to diverge and become diverse and
not merge to an infinite limit.
Merging actually destroys information. Witness the Black Hole.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:53 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 4 September 2014 13:48, Stephen Paul Ki
3, 2014 at 9:53 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> Zerg <http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Overmind>! ?
>>
>> Well, quite. I believe the name comes from "Childhood's End" although
> obviously Olaf Staple
Right! Damping down random fluctuations in one's computer is an
optimization move.
Oh!, your thinking in more "Borg" terms, re: absorption
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:25 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> OTOH,
But something is amiss! Why would the OverLords wish to share their largess
with us?
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:25 PM, LizR wrote:
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> wrote:
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>> OTOH, becoming capable of exploiting computational resources that are
>> "fr
Are the resources available to the OverLords that would allow the sharing
to be "cost-free" then it would make no difference, otherwise
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:37 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> But something is amiss
Hi,
I am looking for any papers on the effects of allowing neural networks
to couple to each other
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Hi LizR,
I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the AGI will be
aware that we exist?
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>>OTOH, one can control the available re
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et the machines to interpret the data patterns in ways
consistent with how we do.
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>> Hi LizR,
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>>I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the
it interacts with every
> day. In this particular scenario, it seems very unlikely it wouldn't be
> aware that other people existed.
>
> (Excuse me, I have to go AFK for a bit. I need to recharge my batteries...)
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> On 5 September 2014 13:08, LizR wrote:
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o reason to
> believe for instance that we couldn't carry on a conversation with an AI of
> sufficient cognitive ability (and the motivation to do so).
>
> Terren
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Stephen Paul King <
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I agree, but I strongly suspect that one does not "program" an AGI, we
would "grow" it and "teach" it
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:15 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 15:13, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> But you seem to assume that it h
We learn of each other by interacting this becomes communication once
languages emerge...
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> On 5 September 2014 15:18, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
>
>> Sure, that would set up synchronization of sensory data input streams,
>
Nah, I get what you mean. Connecting an AGI to a body is one way of
teaching it to recognize us, but do we really want to do that?
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:18 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 16:08, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> We are freaking AGI ourselves, operatin
ntionally created by other 'intelligence'. It reminds me of the debates
in the 19th century about the origin of life.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:10 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 16:42, Stephen Paul King
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>> Nah, I get what you mean. Connecting an AGI to
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>> AFAIK, if the AGI and humanity are not competing for the same resources,
>> no conflict need arise...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 a
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>> AFAIK, if the AGI and humanity are not competing for the same resources,
>> no confli
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We need to talk! I am working with Marius Muliga and Lou Kauffman and
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networks! See: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.4333
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Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain
it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black
holes?
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote:
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> What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recen
gt;
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>>
>>Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you
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>> black holes?
>>
>>
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>>Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you
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e the results, even in principle.
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>Have you seen any studies of the "Ameoba dubia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychaos_dubium>" that look into what
> their genome is expressing?
>
look right...
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>
>
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>> Dear Bruno,
>>
>>I agree, this introduces the possibil
Hi Brent,
I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists
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that would modulate decoherence. This "decoherence" thing, IMHO, needs to
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I can't find a good mathematical description of the concept yet...
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> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Stephen Paul King <
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Hi Telmo,
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>> Hi Telmo,
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>>You wrote: "If I understand the ideas in Mitra's paper correc
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availability), otherwise I thing we agree.
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ry would simply
> deliver. Something mind boggling before, like emergence, suddenly
> understood as something very simple and invariant that doesn't explain
> emergence or talk about levels or scales, because all of that is about to
> be
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> 2014-10-15 2:14 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King >:
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>> Hi,
>>
>>I re-read S. Mitra's paper <http://arxiv.org/pdf/0902.3825v2.pdf>
>> again and it made more sense than before if I assumed that the reversible
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Hi LizR,
Interesting!
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:11 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 9 November 2014 14:25, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>> Hi Alberto,
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>>Is there really a global thermodynamic arrow of time? We can only
>> infer its existence based on theoretical
n AFAIK
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> 2014-11-09 2:25 GMT+01:00 Stephen Paul King :
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>> Hi Alberto,
>>
>>Is there really a global thermodynamic arrow of time? We can only
>> infer its existence based on theoretical organizations of data that we
>> collect. AFAIK, all "arr
Hi Bruno,
Why does an entire universe need to be simulated? Could not just finite
portions of some universe be simulated, that which is perceived by the
"observers" (however such might be defined). Why does it seem that a "god's
eye view needs to be simulated? BTW, David Albert's argument ag
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 13 Dec 2013, at 19:37, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> Hi Bruno,
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>Why does an entire universe need to be simulated?
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Surely the maths we "made up" to deal with the "classical" world applies
> to quantum mechanics, too? Or are you saying that we had to make up a new
> load of maths to deal with QM, and that "quantum maths" is incommensurate
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, QM does not.
There is no such a thing as a "view from nowhere" nor a single narrative of
all events in a QM consistent universe.
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 17 December 2013 15:33, Stephen Paul King
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>> Hi,
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>> On Mon,
An observer in such a univer could never count to 17...
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King
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>> Hi Liz,
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>> Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it.
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> What about
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