Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/19/2015 4:53 PM, David Nyman wrote: Consciousness may be one of the things caused. Then it should be entirely observable, at least in principle. That's Dennett's position, essentially. He's actually gone out of his way to deny that thoughts are any more 'private' than anything else.

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/19/2015 1:21 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 20:42, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/19/2015 9:31 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 14:01, David Nyman mailto:da...@davidnyman.com>> wrote: But if zombies

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and w

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On 1/19/2015 10:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You mean like in all the OECD nations? Where people are h

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 10:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If it is true that 8 is a composite, doesn't that require the existence of a number between 1 and 8 which divides 8? Only in the mathematicians sense of "exist" which means "satisfies an expression", Dr Watson satisfies the expression "X is a sidekic

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/19/2015 9:31 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 14:01, David Nyman > wrote: But if zombies were *logically* impossible, as I believe Dennett for example claims, then it would be analytically true, not a contingent fact. I'd like to amplify h

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part of our consciousness) provides evidence for 1 un

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

On 1/19/2015 9:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But "existence" only in the mathematical sense which is tautological; i.e. implicit in some axioms, Then all theories are tautological. But the evidence for them is not only tautological. Brent -- You received this message because you ar

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/19/2015 7:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 04:51, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 7:24 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Because 2+2=4, and there's n

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/19/2015 7:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don&#

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/19/2015 6:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: My belief in God is trivial. All machine introspecting are confronted to it, and from outside, in the metatheory, we can see that they can confused it (correctly, or not) with truth. The problem of the aristotelians is that they often take for granted

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/19/2015 6:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: A super powerful mind (or person) simulating some reality could of course cause the simulation to deviate from its "physical laws". But in a simulation, not in reality. So you do (bad) theology. You talk like if we knew already what reality is. But w

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/19/2015 6:01 AM, David Nyman wrote: There's an effective riposte to this, I believe, but it might be a bit subtle, so I ask you to bear with me. I think, in the first place, that it's beside the point to get hung up on the 'concreteness' or otherwise of arithmetic. Bruno's intent is rather

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 10:55 PM, Kim Jones wrote: at 5:45 pm, meekerdb wrote: Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of relationship with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have to be "magical" if we notice important relations with arit

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 10:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's ability to conceiv

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

On 1/18/2015 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:34 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 7:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 9:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:51 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 7:24 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Ja

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 9:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:44 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 7:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 9:28 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 2:51 pm, meekerdb wrote: But my serious point is that arithmetic is a model of countable things we invented and it's not some magic that controls what exists. Brent Magic? Hmmyou wish..still having trouble wit

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 7:24 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Because 2+2=4, and there's nothing you (or anyone/anything) can do to change that. Sure there is. 2+2=0 in mo

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 7:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

On 1/18/2015 7:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 6:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: How w

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

On 1/15/2015 6:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: How would you define "intelligence" for this thing? Jupiter Brain / Omega Point / Result of post-singularity intelligence explosion / Platon

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in God, I merely find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it contributes a

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide in

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 9:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2015, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God, paradoxically

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's ability to conceive it), then it is true independently of the universe, and hence you get arithmetical realism. No, you just keep assuming that true=real. The truths of a

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 7:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For a logician, "true" means "satisfied by a reality", with *reality* modeled by the notion of *model*. This helps to avoid unnecessary philosophical debates. They are only unnecessary for those who have already decided which model to believe. Brent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where it does come from, and why. All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is fundamen

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But observation and personal experience never prove anything. Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from thi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part of our consciousness) provides evidence for 1 un

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015 9:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digi

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 9:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 9:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Which is fine if you want to dissemble. Why do you take the Abrahamic God to be the canonical definition? Not canonical. There's no one with the authority to issue canon law on the meaning of English. There are 7 billion people on this Earth a

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 4:08 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Kim Jones > wrote: > In Russell's Theory of Nothing he says that the informational content of the universe was entirely present at whatever juncture we call the BB. And early in Bi

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: Clearly one cannot di

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/17/2015 2:36 PM, David Nyman wrote: I'm assuming it because he states it explicitly. He specifically distinguishes what can be "observed from the outside" from "additional internal properties". He specifically brackets qualia with the "extreme case " of the latter as paradigmatic examples

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 2:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:3

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

Morsella' via Everything List wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Some interesting short essays. Thanks, they do seem interesting. Also topical, on this subject: AI experts around the gl

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

On 1/17/2015 9:25 AM, David Nyman wrote: I've been reading some of the responses to the Edge 2015 question "What do you think about machines that think?": http://edge.org/contributors/q2015 Lee Smolin's contribution contains the following statement: "So let us hypothesize that qualia are inte

Fwd: What over 170 people think about machines that think

Some interesting short essays. http://edge.org/contributors/q2015 Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@google

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too difficult to ever compute by anyone in this

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. I would go further and say one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing,

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On 1/16/2015 10:14 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/16/2015 8:29 PM, John Clark wrote: What is behind the idea of the sun, what exactly is the sun? I don't know but I do know that the sun is not the heat on my face nor is it a image on my retina nor is it a idea in my mind, it is something more fundamental than that and more abstract. ??

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/16/2015 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have a question, thinking about you being an a-theist. Is the God of Anselmus theistic? Does Gödel's formalization of Anselmus formalize a theistic God? If you mean the God whose existence St Anselm thought he had proven, no. I don't think his pro

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/15/2015 2:56 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you believe in a source of reality beyond the apparent physical reality we find ourselv

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to mu

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. No, it just asks what distinguish two superficially similar

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

;mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/> Bruno Marchal mailto:ma

Re: Democracy

On 1/15/2015 10:41 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Sigh, everybody's so paranoid about government. Obama started using "extremism" because the chattering classes kept pointing out that terrorism is just a tactic and you can't make war on a tactic. First a comment: it is n

Re: Democracy

On 1/15/2015 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I would have said by nature. Apes does not sent his fellows in gas chambers. But they do. Sometimes chimpanzees gang up on member of their pack and kill him. people misbehave in a large part due to civilisation, which reacts naturally in developing

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/15/2015 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 22:56, meekerdb wrote: On 1/14/2015 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015 6:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: In Buddhism: Sama

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/15/2015 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you believe in a source of reality beyond the apparent physical reality we find ourselves in now? No. I don't "believe IN" anything. I entertain hypotheses. Good. But you don't always talk like that. Sometimes it looks like you do believe that

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God, paradoxically enough. By your logic one cannot disbelieve in anything because to do so you have to conceive

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 11:58 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:59 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Democrac

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 11:52 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: In case no one has noticed, our dear president Obama has changed the rhetoric used as cover for our Orwellian systems state of permanent war…. The term “War on Terror” is bad enough, it implies an endless war requiring an Or

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 10:20 PM, Jason Resch wrote: NSA is only authorized to keep domestic communication data 5yr. Well that's a relief! But this is mostly just metadata. It is obviously appropriate to keep data for some period. Discussions of an airline flight that seem innocent may be

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 8:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:03 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015 4:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I don't see how uncertainty implies impossibility. If I'm uncertain it will

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 5:37 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 , meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > But you must appreciate that this [PPAs] leads to jurisdictional disputes As opposed to our present system which has never had a jurisdictional dispute in its entir

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 4:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:45 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015 3:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 3:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 7:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/10/2015

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 12:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > That you reject the God of every religion That's me. Even those that say it's the ultimate reason for our existence? Given we exist, how can you deny those there is such a thing? By avoiding the assumption that everything except one

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/14/2015 6:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: In Buddhism: Samantabhadra Buddha declares of itself: "I am the core of all that exists. I am the se

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/14/2015 6:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: In Buddhism: Samantabhadra Buddha declares of itself: "I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the cause of all that exists. I am the trunk of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of exis

Re: Democracy

On 1/14/2015 6:44 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:41 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/12/2015 7:42 PM, John Clark wrote: What if Bernie's PPA has laws saying its clients to cheat rob murder and do anything else they want

Fwd: Poe, cosmology, and ham

Edgar Allen Poe explains it all. Brent Forwarded Message In 1848, Edgar Allan Poe first proposed the Big Bang theory, black holes, the Big Crunch, and the correct solution to Olbers' paradox, in a "prose poem" called Eureka. Good discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/13/2015 11:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:29 PM, John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> O'Brien knew that who controls language controls thought. So peace is

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/13/2015 11:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:39 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/12/2015 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is a variant of christiniaty, because for non atheist non christian, "God", like any t

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

On 1/13/2015 2:03 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:07 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: > The question is better phrased as "why does anything exist?" But that question is logically equivalent to "why doesn't nothing exist?", and the answer is that if it did't then

Re: Do viruses make us smarter?

It has long been accepted that mitochondria were once separate organisms that were incorporated into eukaryotic cells. They have their own DNA. So incorporating some retrovirus that is regulated by the cell DNA is not far fetched. Brent On 1/13/2015 10:35 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everythi

Re: Democracy

On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Really? On this list? Where? I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama, of U.S. foreign policy everywhere. There's a whole industry built around it on radio. That sort of criticism is innocuous and everyone knows it. The powerful are not thr

Re: Democracy

On 1/13/2015 7:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: You're using the term "free" as if it were some mystical property like "kosher" or "halal". A free market is simply free from regulation from a central authority, that's all. The silk road is free from regulation. Anyone can participate, including mafia

Re: Democracy

On 1/12/2015 2:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/12/2015 8:44 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: It seems to me, too, that there are problems with zero dimensions, or point particles. I've never understood why physicists don't question the idea of a zero-dimensional point particle. Oh well. Of course they've questioned. Th

Re: Democracy

On 1/12/2015 7:42 PM, John Clark wrote: What if Bernie's PPA has laws saying its clients to cheat rob murder and do anything else they want regardless of what the arbitrator says? So PPA's have laws and enforce arbitrartions - PPA's are governments. The only difference I see is that they are

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/12/2015 1:57 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 January 2015 at 14:48, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/11/2015 4:22 PM, LizR wrote: Also on the subject http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/27987-these-terrorist-attacks-are-not-about

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

On 1/2/2015 2:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:40 PM, John Clark > wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > Define telepathy, telekinesis, and remote viewing. No. Buy a dictionar

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/12/2015 1:47 PM, LizR wrote: What a small mnided goal this so-called Paradise is. Booze, babes and perpetual adolescence? Surely not a worthwhile goal for sentient beings. Maybe that's why so few suicide bomber are women or old men. :-) Brent -- You received this message because you are

Re: Democracy

On 1/12/2015 1:38 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > he's not sitting in jail because his reputation was trashed. In fact his reputation was good with most of his investors when he was arreste

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/12/2015 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is a variant of christiniaty, because for non atheist non christian, "God", like any term in a theory, is defined by axioms or semi-axioms indeed. I suppose by "semi-axioms" you mean definitions by description, like "ground of all being" or "c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/12/2015 5:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like "universe" meant a tortoise on the top of another tortoise, except that in the field of theology, the corresponding "tortoise" has been made into a dogma. And evidence came to change that meaning. If someone now wrote using "universe" to mean "a

Re: Democracy

On 1/12/2015 2:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Free markets are so efficient that they work even under the extreme hostile conditions of state-enforced prohibitions, exploiting only reputation mechanisms, without any force or coercion. The drug cartels may depend on reputation with their customers

Re: Democracy

On 1/11/2015 8:38 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote: > That is where Private Protection Agencies come in. I am not so naive as to suggest that force would never be needed in Anarch

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/11/2015 8:05 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb On 1/11/2015 6:39 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Once Bruno explained

Re: Democracy

On 1/11/2015 7:49 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 2:13 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >> If you and I are in a business relationship and we both make money it would be foolish of me to cheat you on a deal, I might make a lit

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/11/2015 6:39 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Once Bruno explained to me how he intends the term god when he uses it I understood his intent. Clearly he is not connoting some biblical deity when he uses the term. While it may be a continuous source of confusion for him as

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/11/2015 6:30 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:04 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/11/2015 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We can't criticize religions because the churches, with the help of the main stream at

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/11/2015 4:22 PM, LizR wrote: Also on the subject http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/27987-these-terrorist-attacks-are-not-about-religion They say it's about their religion when they do it. They cite religious reasons for doing it. Of course almost any action has multiple ca

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/11/2015 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We can't criticize religions because the churches, with the help of the main stream atheist (of your type), does not want us to come back to reasoning at that level, yet. All the atheists I know are fine with a search for fundamental reality with a sci

Re: Democracy

On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/10/2015 12:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/

Re: Democracy

On 1/10/2015 6:11 PM, John Clark wrote: That is where Private Protection Agencies come in. I am not so naive as to suggest that force would never be needed in Anarcho-Capitalism, I'm just saying that less of it would be needed than in any other system I know of. For example, for our present sy

Re: Democracy

On 1/10/2015 2:49 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 , Alberto G. Corona > wrote: > But trade need an environment where some force and some love are necessary. Trade without enforcement of contracts does not work. If you and I are in a business rel

Re: Democracy

On 1/10/2015 12:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/10/2015 2:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:24 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1

Re: Democracy

On 1/10/2015 2:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:24 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/9/2015 3:11 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Ev

Re: Democracy

On 1/9/2015 4:26 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: -- *From:* meekerdb *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, January 9, 2015 2:49 PM *Subject:* Re: Democracy On

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