Re: It's all in your head

> On 5 Sep 2019, at 22:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 12:22:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 4 Sep 2019, at 15:52, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 Sep

Re: It's all in your head

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 12:22:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 4 Sep 2019, at 15:52, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Sep 2019, at 10:55, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> ... Michael

Re: It's all in your head

> On 4 Sep 2019, at 15:52, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Sep 2019, at 10:55, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> ... Michael Forrest's paper [ >>

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 8 May 2019, at 20:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/8/2019 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 1:41:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/8/2019 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 May 2019, at

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On 5/8/2019 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: Pleasure for

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 3 May 2019, at 20:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux >> > wrote: >>> >>> Pleasure for the all loving god to have creatures to torture ? >>> >>>

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:25:50 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > No. Erasing data generates heat. So reversible computation is, in > principle, possible without hear generation. > > Brent > That is basically it. Landauer demonstrated that information loss results in lost energy, internal

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

The Quran states The Deen-e-Qayimah (الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ) in three ayaat. It is generally translated as The Correct Religion, but I have come to realise that a more literal translation is The Standing Law. The following are the three laws which though we are free to choose to not to obey, we have

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On 5/3/2019 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: Pleasure for the all loving god to have creatures to torture ? But the problem of evil is not that simple. Indeed. But note that just the second theorem of Gödel

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On 5/3/2019 6:06 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 May 2019, at 19:58, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:30:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 May 2019, at 10:56,

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On 5/3/2019 6:06 AM, John Clark wrote: /> Remembering God through prayer, and Praising God by repeatedly declaring that God is free from all imperfection, helps us to/[...] The religious believe that repeatedly declaring that God is sooo big and sooo strong and sooo super nice

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

Political control. Brent On 5/3/2019 4:46 AM, smitra wrote: What's the point of creating criminals and then to torture those criminals for eternity in hell? On 03-05-2019 04:41, Samiya Illias wrote: Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do you honestly think our

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 3 May 2019, at 14:06, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Pleasure for the all loving god to have creatures to torture ? > > But the problem of evil is not that simple. Indeed. But note that just the second theorem of Gödel provides a clue. With provable(p) written []p consistent(p) =

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 3 May 2019, at 04:41, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do you > honestly think our praise or our insults affect God in any way? Yes, []f does not implies f, in G (terrestrial reality) > Do you even realise how great the Creator

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 10:41 PM Samiya Illias wrote: > *Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do you > honestly think our praise or our insults affect God in any way?* > No I don't think so but the religious do. When I was a grade school kid I had a Catholic catechism

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 May 2019, at 19:58, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:30:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 May 2019, at 10:56, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> By "heat" I just mean

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

There is some back story to why we are here and need to be forgiven. We have been given some insights to our predicament here: 1. Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man assumed it. Lo! he hath

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

Pleasure for the all loving god to have creatures to torture ? But the problem of evil is not that simple. Le ven. 3 mai 2019 à 12:46, smitra a écrit : > What's the point of creating criminals and then to torture those > criminals for eternity in hell? > > On 03-05-2019 04:41, Samiya Illias

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

What's the point of creating criminals and then to torture those criminals for eternity in hell? On 03-05-2019 04:41, Samiya Illias wrote: Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do you honestly think our praise or our insults affect God in any way? Do you even realise

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do you honestly think our praise or our insults affect God in any way? Do you even realise how great the Creator of all this must be? Do you think God would need any appreciation from us? Rather, it is we who need to appreciate God!

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 2 May 2019, at 13:59, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:54 AM 'Brent Meeker' > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats. > > True, but in all fairness Christianity is also based on threats. It preaches >

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 1 May 2019, at 19:58, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:30:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 May 2019, at 10:56, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> By "heat" I just mean it as one studies it as a subject in a physics class, >> for

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:54 AM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > *Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats.* > True, but in all fairness Christianity is also based on threats. It preaches that faith (believing in something when there is no good reason for

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

A lifelong opportunity to invest in a wonderful eternity, and warnings to save us from the consequences of our own folly! > On 02-May-2019, at 10:54 AM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats. > > Brent > >> On 5/1/2019 10:45

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats. Brent On 5/1/2019 10:45 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: فَلَنُذِيقَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَسْوَأَ الَّذِي كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ But We shall most certainly give those who are [thus] bent on denying the truth

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

فَلَنُذِيقَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَسْوَأَ الَّذِي كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ But We shall most certainly give those who are [thus] bent on denying the truth a taste of suffering severe, and We shall most certainly requite them according to the worst of their deeds!

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:30:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 May 2019, at 10:56, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > By "heat" I just mean it as one studies it as a subject in a physics > class, for example. > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat > > *Does all computation

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

This is the most random affirmation that someone can make in a discussion about consciousness. It is so random that it is useless to say that qualia do exist. And qualia are observer-absolutes, since when I see red, I see red. You cannot come to me and tell me that I see blue. On the other

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On 5/1/2019 2:24 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: "Computation" doesn't exist. It is an observer-relative concept. So is "qualia". Brent Stepping in mud and letting your footprint there is computation if you want. Throwing a ball into the air is computation if you want. It

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

> On 1 May 2019, at 10:56, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > By "heat" I just mean it as one studies it as a subject in a physics class, > for example. > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat > > Does all computation generate heat? > > (Should be a

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

No.  Erasing data generates heat.  So reversible computation is, in principle,  possible without hear generation. Brent On 5/1/2019 1:56 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: By "heat" I just mean it as one studies it as a subject in a physics class, for example. -

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

"Computation" doesn't exist. It is an observer-relative concept. Stepping in mud and letting your footprint there is computation if you want. Throwing a ball into the air is computation if you want. It computes the function H = ut - 1/2 gt2 I don't understand why you keep believing so easily in

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/3/2015 6:00 PM, LizR wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Switzerland is a special case. Their army is structured in a weird way. All men up to a certain age are technically in the army and are actually obliged

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Switzerland is a special case. Their army is structured in a weird way. All men up to a certain age are technically in the army and are actually obliged to have a weapon and keep it in their home. We are talking about

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Sorry, I assumed you were arguing my point that there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. There are societies where people have a less desire to own guns, but I don't think there is any simple answer as to why.

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:13 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 19:40, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

, 2015 8:06 pm Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing,

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

:* John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

PM *Subject:* Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 1:20 pm Subject: RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:53 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 2 April 2015 at 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! I'd say ...really want to! is a big loophole in that assertion. Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to!

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 2 April 2015 at 13:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! I'd say ...really want to! is a big loophole in that

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 8:30 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM,

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:49:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: Sure there are obviously cultural and legal differences too. I was in Sydney on the day of the Port Arthur massacre. I gathered that, before that, personal ownership of guns in Australia was fairly common and not much regulated. It

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 5:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM,

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! In his long rambling manifesto he spoke -- much like you do in fact Mitch

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to! (Or can't, but that does seem unlikely). I've never wanted one myself, nor have I known anyone who's

RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:53 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 12:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 2 April 2015 at 08:45, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 12:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

Even Svalbard appears to have less guns per head than the USA, and there you're actually legally obliged to carry one whenever you leave town! On 2 April 2015 at 11:19, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this

RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

Regarding the subject of terrorism here is an eye opening article that quantifies it and gives a different perspective on it than is usually presented in the military industrial complex owned mass media.

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015  'Chris de Morsella' wrote:  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 31 Oct 2014, at 4:47 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking. So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't agree

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:06 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking. So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't agree with what you wrote above. you seek to find a logical contradiction as a

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On Friday, October 31, 2014 10:06:39 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 31 Oct 2014, at 4:47 pm, John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au javascript: wrote: Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care to engage John anymore No NO, anything but that! I'm bored of this business. Then goodby, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 1 Nov 2014, at 1:22 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking. So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't agree with what you wrote above. you seek to find a logical contradiction as a

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

on the way out. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction? On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 PGC multiplecit

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 31 October 2014 23:55, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: This is why I don't care to engage John anymore for time being. In the frame/level he forces you to engage in, I gladly loose, because we're not seeing eye to eye anyway, as competitive ego-bashing is nothing I care for: I want to

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Actually I think discussion of John Clark and his faults is off topic. How about taking it off line. Brent On 10/31/2014 12:56 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 1 Nov 2014, at 1:22 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Agreement and disagreement

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Haha... The irony is that Kant thought his construction of the matter concept could not be proven wrong since it was a priori... But besides that, it remains the case that the electromagnetic force causes positive charges to repel each other and to attract negative charges, which are repellent

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

I thought the electromagnetic force was mediated by the exchange of photons (or virtual photons). Does that involve any forces that aren't attractive/repusive at the point of interaction (i.e. where said photons are emitted or absorbed) ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Peter Sas needs an education in physics. He came to the right place. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:10 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the electromagnetic force was mediated by the exchange of photons (or virtual photons). Does that involve any forces that aren't attractive/repusive at

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

True, I need an education in physics... and math... and logic... Please don't hold back when I say something stupid... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Photons are bosons, mediator particles The bosons mediate the forces between the fermions, the building pieces of matter... I guess what I wanna know is this: can all the foces mediated by the bosons be described as attractions or repulsions between the fermions? Or is that way too

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Magnetic forces are neither attractive nor repulsive. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote: Photons are bosons, mediator particles The bosons mediate the forces between the fermions, the building pieces of matter... I guess what I wanna know is this:

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote: The irony is that Kant thought his construction of the matter concept could not be proven wrong since it was a priori... And once again a philosopher has got it wrong. it remains the case that the electromagnetic

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 30 Oct 2014, at 15:06, Peter Sas wrote: True, I need an education in physics... and math... and logic... Please don't hold back when I say something stupid... No problem. In this list we get nervous only when people repeat the same stupidity an infinity of time. Intelligence is just

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Well, in defence of poor old Kant, let us remember that together with Laplace he was the discoverer of the nebular hypothesis about the formation of solar systems... I gues a similar story holds about galaxies... So the man was not totally useless. And of course there is a strong Kantian

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

Obviously I meant MWI where I wrote WMI... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 10/30/2014 10:16 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com mailto:peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote: The irony is that Kant thought his construction of the matter concept could not be proven wrong since it was a priori... And once again

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 31 October 2014 03:06, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote: True, I need an education in physics... and math... and logic... Please don't hold back when I say something stupid... Don't worry, they won't. The problem is getting them to hold back when you say something intelligent.

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On 31 Oct 2014, at 11:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Beware of replies that start But... - these appear to often be agreement cunningly disguised to look like argumentation. Excellent point. In fact there is no real need for anyone to play the clever-clever yes, but card wherever

Re: Do all forces derive from repulsionattraction?

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking. So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't agree with what you wrote above. John K Clark -- You received this message

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote: Kant constructs the concept of matter using only the concepts of attractive and repulsive forces A magnetic field neither attracts nor repels an electron, instead it applied a force that is always at right angles to the electron's

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Sorry about that last line... I forgot to delete that... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 06:01:15AM -0700, Peter Sas wrote: Recently I read Kant's Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science (1786) where he tries to base the basic concepts of physics on the transcendental categories and principles laid down in his Critique of Pure Reason. One of the most

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Balancing classical forces appears to require cancellation to infinite precision (which is one of the problems with Tronnies). Quantum theory fixes that by doing something akin to converting the maths from using real numbers to integers. On 29 October 2014 10:43, Russell Standish

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On 10/28/2014 6:01 AM, Peter Sas wrote: Recently I readKant's Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science (1786) where he tries to base the basic concepts of physics on the transcendental categories and principles laid down in his Critique of Pure Reason. One of the most interesting parts, I

RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie

My fellow Africans some brilliant cold (sore) case detective work! A relatively simpler parasitical life form has been studied in its association with humans to provide an independent line of genetic evidence that supports the out of Africa hypothesis. HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does

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I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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Exactly, this adds an independent line of DNA evidence that supports this hypothesis. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:28 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come

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On 23 October 2013 11:04, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Exactly, this adds an independent line of DNA evidence that supports this hypothesis. OK, fair enough. I just thought the headline *HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie* seemed to indicate that the writer

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On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence

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-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM

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Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human

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, 2013 4:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how

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