Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:31 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/9/2013 3:09 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 11/9/2013 9:37 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the >>> idealists >>> t

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is, > it's game over. Big government is most definitely not going to solve > it. I think you know this too. There isn't a magical point where to > government gets so big that it star

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, LizR wrote: > On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is, >> it's game over. Big government is most definitely not going to solve >> it. I think you know this too. There isn't a magic

Re: QM Primer

Thanks Jason, nice work! A few comments: - It's not obvious what's going on when the block of wood turns into two. Even expecting the multiple outcomes, one does not intuitively expect a beam of light to move a block of wood. I don't mind the exaggeration but I suggest you make it explicit in the

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR wrote: > On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if >> not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It >>

Re: QM Primer

Telmo, Thank you very much for that feedback; those are all good points and I will incorporate it into a new and improved version. Do you think it would be clearer if instead of a block of wood I used a very small (but light absorbing object), like a dust mote, or a single atom, etc. (something t

Re: QM Primer

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > Telmo, > > Thank you very much for that feedback; those are all good points and I will > incorporate it into a new and improved version. > > Do you think it would be clearer if instead of a block of wood I used a very > small (but light absorbi

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I would say you are incorrect concerning cities which rely on one primary power source, especially, if its local or regional. Power by wire, is common practice, but first we must have sufficient spinning, or ready reserve. My objection is now the source of power, but if it produce enough power

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I have zero issue with any energy source that produces enough electrical power and is not too costly. I do have real problems when people advocate technology which cannot, this day, supply enough energy. The grande prize is just incentive, great incentive, to produce a new energy source, a medi

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Ahem, the observation is from behavioral psychologists like BF Skinner, or old. Operant conditioning and all that. <> I am interested in all these types, but are all implementable in time? Will liquid fluoride really be safer, then a Canadian CANDU SLOWPOKE, I don't know. I will guess that al

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 12:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:31 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/9/2013 3:09 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/9/2013 9:37 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to fo

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 1:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is, it's game over. Big government is most definitely not going to solve it. I think you kn

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I agree with just about everything she notes. I do have an issue with putting pv plantations in the Sahara. I know the Germans were keen on this, and the wired the power to Deutschland. Look no further than the happening with the US embassy in Benghazi about 18 mos ago on 9-11. The subcritical

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Name me one large city that gets its power 100% exclusively from coal or from nuclear? You can't because all major energy markets are fed by a mix of energy generation capacity. Yet you keep on with this straw man argument. Why? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@goo

Re: QM Primer

I'm going to teach a public class on QM and when I saw this email I thought "Great!" I'll just steal Jason's stuff. And I liked the first part. But at the end you leave out decoherence and leave the impression that it is the mind that produces the classical appearance. That would REALY confus

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Seriously increasing our energy efficiency is key to building a bridge to a living future. One thing this whole discussion is overlooking -- focused as it is, on electric energy supply (a fraction of total energy supply and demand) -- is the low hanging fruit of increasing energy efficiency. There

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

One example might be the San Onofre plant in California, near San Diego. It's a uranium burner, and supplies 90% of the electricity, about 85% of the time. But let us look at your sun and wind power contribution that you mentioned before. 40 GW, which I am assuming, is GW's per kilowatt hour, r

Re: QM Primer

Thanks for uploading it, great job! Here's what I propose to re-interpret QM: Beams exist only within the experience of the various participants, not as literal beams across a vacuum. There are no literal waves or part

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I used to be a fan of Amory Lovins too but am concerned that better efficiencies might not get us across the bridge to Solar City. Lovin's Kevlar cars never took off, for one reason, is because they were so light that strong winds would guide them off the test track. If we weigh them down to b

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World One example might be the San Onofre plant in California, near

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Who knows -- you may be interested in a Dutch idea to build an energy island in the North sea by diking around an area of sea then using periods of surplus wind power generation form the north sea offshore wind farms (of which there are quite a few now) to pump water out from inside of the diked of

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/10/2013 9:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gu

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 09 Nov 2013, at 19:09, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I am emphasizing having governments print out (Keynes style) absolutely, colossal, amounts of cash, as a reward for coming up with excellent disease treatments and cures, human solar system tours, and clean energy solution, environmental

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 1:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, LizR wrote: >>> >>> On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is, it's g

Re: Re: [4DWorldx] Is mass mental or physical ?

Liz: it all starts with the proper use of words we use so imroperly. What is P H Y S I C A L ? the explanational domain where features are "proven" by other featires of the explanational theoretical domain? (By instruments from WITHIN) What is " M E N T A L " ? we live in a maze and use 'langua

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 12:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the following reasons: - I am not educated in climate science and I am sufficiently educated in science to understand that it would take years of full-time effort to get to a point where I could judge

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Bruno and Brent: *Who are you to T E L L society what it needs?* (BTW: I agree perfectly with your position). I had discussions on other lists in aspects of religion and gun-control and received similar offensive repercussions. No universal machine can tell any other universal machine how to th

Re: [4DWorldx] Is mass mental or physical ?

On 11/10/2013 12:44 PM, John Mikes wrote: This is why my agnosticism is based on: The only thing we know is "We Don't". Do we really know that?? :-) Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group an

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 1:06 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno and Brent: *_Who are you to T E L L society what it needs?_* (BTW: I agree perfectly with your position). I had discussions on other lists in aspects of religion and gun-control and received similar offensive repercussions. No universal machine

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Brent wrote: What about telling society what it needs to survive? Are you telling me fascism, socialism, and religion are bad? (earlier): Society needs to do something to stabilize the system and prevent the increasing concentration of wealth. The 3 belief systems I mentioned are "b

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 12:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the following reasons: > > - I am not educated in climate science and I am sufficiently educated > in science to understand that it would take year

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 2:19 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/10/2013 12:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the following reasons: - I am not educated in climate science and I am sufficiently educated in science

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/10 meekerdb > On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if >> not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no se

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Richard Lindzen from MIT is a serious academic scientist who has some reservations about the IPCC reports and is often labeled as a denier. I put my faith in his research. From wiki-Lindzen: Lindzen has expressed his concern over the validity of computer models

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Cool, I didn't bother to look it up, but rather remembered San Onofre. Whatever you want for solar, and if it cannot supply replacement electricity sufficiently, and you still shutdown the dirty sources, anyway, people will die. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everythi

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Ok, but this is a technique for priming the intellectual pump. If it produces nothing good, nothing powerful, then this method would be a complete failure. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 2:49 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I am not wedded to unworkable ideas, all I maintain, is before we switch off the dirty energy, we must be assured that the clean stuff produces enough watts. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 2:33 pm Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted W

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/10 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he w

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 4:21 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Richard Lindzen from MIT is a serious academic scientist who has some reservations about the IPCC reports and is often labeled as a denier. I put my faith in his research. I hope you didn't also put your faith in those doctors who had reservations

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

You comment does not merit a response. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 4:21 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Richard Lindzen from MIT is a serious academic scientist who has some > reservations about the IPCC reports > and is often labeled as a denier. I put my f

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World >>Cool, I didn't bother to look it up, but rather remembered S

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/10/2013 4:21 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Richard Lindzen from MIT is a serious academic scientist who has some reservations about the IPCC reports and is often labeled as a denier. I put my faith in his research. From wiki-Lindzen: Lindzen has expressed his concern over the validity of co

Re: QM Primer

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > I'm going to teach a public class on QM and when I saw this email I > thought "Great!" I'll just steal Jason's stuff. And I liked the first part. > Thanks. Let me know if you would like the powerpoint slides. > But at the end you leave

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

http://heartland.org/policy-documents/wikipedia-bans-real-climate-propagandist On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 4:21 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Richard Lindzen from MIT is a serious academic scientist who has some > reservations about the IPCC reports > and

Re: QM Primer

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Thanks for uploading it, great job! > > Here's what I propose to re-interpret QM: > > > > Beams exist only within the experience of the various participants, not as >

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at > that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old before having been > 1 year old... it's simply nonsense. > > > So you

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I have looked into quite a few climate change deniers in detail, but life is too short to show where every single one of them is cherry pickling or misinterpretting data, and ultimately I feel justified in believing the 99.7% consensus of climate scientists on this one. -- You received this messa

Re: QM Primer

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:42:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> Thanks for uploading it, great job! >> >> Here's what I propose to re-interpret QM: >> >>

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I think that, since the forces of progress and human dignity lost Siberia as the location for stablishing psychiatrics to reconduct deviated enemies of the People, The North and South poles can well be used to make global warming negationist to reconsider is position against Humanity and human righ

Re: QM Primer

Another diagram, maybe better? On Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:42:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> Thanks for uploading it, gre

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

When somebody doesn’t agree with you, do you then start insulting them? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:36 PM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World I think t

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 9:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if th

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old

Re: QM Primer

On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: Telmo, Thank you very much for that feedback; those are all good points and I will incorporate it into a new and improved version. Do you think it would be clearer if instead of a block of wood I used a very small (but light absorbing object),