[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2013-01-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, CONCLUSION: (2) Will Maharishi be remembered, if at all, as crazy or foolish or lying? (1) Or will he be remembered as the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2013-01-28 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, CONCLUSION: (2) Will Maharishi be remembered, if at all, as crazy or foolish or lying? (1) Or will he be remembered as the saintly warrior who successfully changed the mind of Kali

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if I feel a general hostility to any Bhakti attitude, once it comes up, it's simply my perception over the years. Cool. That and a buck-fifty will get you a bad cup of coffee at Starbucks. Show me one post, just

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-09 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: The trends of time are being changed; Kali herself is

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The biggest drug problem facing the world today is not cocaine or heroin, but testosterone. That's right, and, the problem is in the shortage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest drug problem facing the world today is not cocaine or heroin, but testosterone. A confession of stark honesty; particularly if the author is male. To have internalized such a belief exposes oneÕs obedience to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The biggest drug problem facing the world today is not cocaine or heroin, but testosterone. A confession of stark honesty; particularly if the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Generally I dislike in this post the tone of idealizing one person's work, and the egoistic approach of trying to make his work crucial to human consciousness evolution in this time. You *dislike* it right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: Generally I dislike in this post the tone of idealizing one person's work, and the egoistic approach of trying to make his work crucial

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it assumes only that men and women are stupid in different ways. The ways in which women tend to be stupid are proabaly no *less* stupid than the ways in which men tend to be stupid, but women's ways of being

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it assumes only that men and women are stupid in different ways. The ways in which women tend to be stupid are proabaly no *less* stupid

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: Generally I dislike in this post the tone of idealizing one

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe first learn reading what a person actually has said, and don't just dump on him once he appears. Once more: my post is not about the difference of opinions about Maharishi that Michael and Irmeli have, but about

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/7/06 5:43 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/7/06

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/7/06 4:17 PM, Irmeli Mattsson at Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: And I also agree that simultaneously with these tendencies he has been

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Maybe first learn reading what a person actually has said, and don't just dump on him once he appears. Once more: my post is not about the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The biggest drug problem facing the world today is not cocaine or

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it assumes only that men and women are stupid in different ways. The ways in which women tend to be stupid are proabaly no *less* stupid than the ways in which men tend to be stupid, but women's ways of being

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it assumes only that men and women are stupid in different ways. The ways in which women tend to be stupid are proabaly no *less* stupid than

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Maybe first learn reading what a person actually has said, and don't just dump

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread Vaj
On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:12 PM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: Maybe first learn reading what a person

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of Bhakti? Is addiction or attachment to Bhakti considered desirable? http://www.polyamoryonline.org/interviews/poly_interview_120905.html So far I have no idea of the tantric views of Michael. I will read the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Men and women are also smart. Stupid and smart coexist in human beings. 2. *Some* of the stupidity is gender-specific; other aspects of both stupidity and smartness is universal. 3. A woman's stupidity is *different*

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now suddenly everybody here is full of respect for bhakti, why otherwise this topic *never* comes up in any of your or Irmelis posts. Love of Guru, appreciation of a teaching, dedication to a certain cause is without

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of Bhakti? Is addiction or attachment to Bhakti considered desirable? http://www.polyamoryonline.org/interviews/poly_interview_120905.html Here is a really good article on Guru Bhakti by a man who knows what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip Now suddenly everybody here is full of respect for bhakti, why otherwise this topic *never* comes up in any of your or Irmelis posts. Love of

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think it assumes only that men and women are stupid in different ways.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:12 PM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip This kind of Bhakti? Is addiction or attachment to Bhakti considered desirable? http://www.polyamoryonline.org/interviews/poly_interview_120905.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip Now suddenly everybody here is full of respect for bhakti, why otherwise this topic *never* comes up in any of your or Irmelis posts. Love of

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip Now suddenly everybody here is full of respect for bhakti, why otherwise

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip Now

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both you and Michael do. I don't think that either of you are nearly as comfortable or secure in your beliefs as you claim to be. If you were, you wouldn't spend so much of your time defending against imagined attacks

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip This kind of Bhakti? Is addiction or attachment to Bhakti considered desirable?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip Now suddenly everybody here is full of respect for bhakti, why otherwise

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-07 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip These money-controllers drain half of the creative intelligence off the face of the Earth through their money schemes; they play let's you and him fight with nations and foster wars for their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. Especially to those who find simplistic, black-and- white arguments and shallow, empty aphorisms

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?], I'll re-post my controversial essay from a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses are organized. There is sometimes a small fee to cover meals or the instructors travel: http://www.amma.org/events/iam.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses are organized. There is sometimes a small fee to cover

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/6/06 12:59 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. The oral equivalent to that is: weak point, speak louder! --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because you're a sucker for simplistic, black-and-white arguments and shallow, empty aphorisms, Vaj. If you were truly evolved like some people, you'd

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because you're a sucker for simplistic, black-and-white arguments and shallow,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote:An insight that may be useful in this discussion is what economists refer to as "consumer surplus". It is the difference between what a consumer is willing to pay for a good or service, and the actual market price. For example, I may be willing to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than trying to start a new argument, why don't you just tell us what you thing about Michael's article? Are you out of your friggin' MIND, Vaj? When Judy decides to tell us what she thinks about a post, it tends to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: An insight that may be useful in this discussion is what economists refer to as consumer surplus. It is the difference between what a consumer is willing to pay for a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread claudiouk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a very thoughtful essay, which I think I saw the first time round. For a long time I too mistakenly thought that a priority goal was to make TM available widely, in order to generate support for its teachers

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:40 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote:Yes, that is the point -- $2500 + of value for $200, yielding $2300+ of consumer sruplus. IF you percieve SSRS's Sahaja meditation as eqivalent to TM. btw I think the AOL course where the breathing is taught, is a seperate course from the Sahaja

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:40 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: Yes, that is the point -- $2500 + of value for $200, yielding $2300+ of consumer sruplus. IF you percieve SSRS's Sahaja meditation as eqivalent to TM. btw I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?], I'll re-post my controversial essay from a few years

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
Um, are you sure you're being sufficiently respectful? :) If not, the price for you to be a re-certified TB just went up to $5000--cash only. Sal On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Think I'll wait for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
This is it. If Michael really wanted to sock it to us, it would have been twice as long. Even the title on this one takes up about 5 KBs. Sal On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Vaj wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
Actually, one wouldn't even need to do that. All one would need to do would be to look at the size (57 or so KBs, about half of which is the title) yawn, and move on to the next post, knowing they've most likely read it about 20 times before. Michael is nothing if not consistent. Sal On Mar

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: Amma is adamant that money should not be charged for meditation instruction - even in a corporate setting. Do you know the rationale, Rick? An aside about the attitude toward paying for education: In the wider Waldorf world, the ideal is that teachers give from a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, one wouldn't even need to do that. All one would need to do would be to look at the size (57 or so KBs, about half of which is the title) yawn, and move on to the next post, knowing they've most likely

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: From the Vipassana Meditation Website (http://www.dhamma.org/): The technique of Vipassana Meditation is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/6/06 4:18 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Amma is adamant that money should not be charged for meditation instruction - even in a corporate setting. Do you know the rationale, Rick? Never heard it explained. Amma's not reticent about raising

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:25 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote:But it has some new age and hindu "baggage" -- a plus for some, a big minus for others. For example one is encouraged, expected, and/or subtly pressured to attend weekly meetings where everyone sings bajans (songs praising hindu  gods). At such,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:25 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: But it has some new age and hindu baggage -- a plus for some, a big minus for others. For example one is encouraged, expected, and/or subtly pressured to attend weekly

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I started TM in 1970, as an adult I paid $75 to learn (and by a few years later it was $125). It is estimated that prices for many things have almost doubled every decade. In 1970, gasoline cost

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. The fewer words it takes to tear down a carefully written, thoughtful argument, the less

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/6/06 12:59 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) Too many big words? On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: a very thoughtful essay, which I think I saw the first time round. For a long time I too mistakenly thought that a priority goal was to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: When I started TM in 1970, as an adult I paid $75 to learn (and by a few years later it was $125). It is estimated that prices for many