[FairfieldLife] A story to inspire hope...

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
...especially in those who were disturbed by the recent discussions of farmyard sex. If such things bother you in the US, move to Sudan, where they have developed a truly elegant and God-sanctioned approach to the issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm

[FairfieldLife] Chris Moore interview

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
For those who have discovered the joys of Christopher Moore, here's an interview with him about his new book, A Dirty Job, which is a funny novel about death. In the interview he also says a few things about spirituality, religion, vampires, women wearing oven mitts to counter their tendency to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example, enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in the group who have not had such an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:05 PM, purushaz wrote:---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is incorrect.  Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, which have to do with relative endeavors..  Why stop with control over pain?  Why not say that Enlightened

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote:--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped  Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example,  enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped Those who say that they have

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not talking just about the manifestation of this phenomenon in the TM world, but about what it seems to be like in *all* of the groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne

2006-03-01 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Peter writes: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. Vaj writes: I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually Spiritual Codependence? Never mind then! Tom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote: --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Ben Collins

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Happy Birthday Ben Collins Have a good one, Ben. Do a special puja or something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored to be enlightened. In certain quarters of Fairfield, especially MUM, people don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Personally I'm wary of anyone making E claims and prefer orgs that don't even use the word.  IMO, energywise, "being enlightened" is just the new age-eastern version of "being saved by Jesus". I loved this! Yes, you've described the conversion

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 10:02 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility  that the mutual complicity inherent in satsangculture is actually  Spiritual Codependence?Never mind

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness.. on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on the Robin Carlson legacy. Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson proclaimed that he was enlightened, set

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if this is true about the Travis studies, but it used to be policy at MUM that any study reg. higher states could only be done using subjects with valid dome badges -- the idea of someone without a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on the Robin Carlson legacy. Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Rick Archer  wrote: jim_flanegin  wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson legacy". Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread feste37
Very nice post. Satsang as a way of weaving ever more subtle self-delusions. Not being much of a Satsanger, I wouldn't know for sure, but it sounds very plausible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My observation of having recently (over the last year)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more  "neoadvaita" kind of gathering.On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:50 AM, feste37 wrote:Very nice post. Satsang as a way

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility   that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually   Spiritual Codependence?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:12 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Peter writes: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. Vaj writes: I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility   that the mutual complicity inherent in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness.. on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote: And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility that the mutual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on the Robin Carlson legacy. Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25

[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Guidelines.txt

2006-03-01 Thread FairfieldLife
Guidelines File 12/22/05 Fairfield Life averages 75-150 posts a day; 300+ on peak days. To avoid having your inbox flooded, we suggest one of the following: 1) Opt to receive the emails, but create a folder in your email client and a rule to direct all FFL posts to that folder. 2) Choose the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:42 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:I can certainly see from one POV how a group of awakened individuals  could appear to have some silent codependent agreement with one  another, driven by ego satisfaction. And how from this same POV,  there is no argument and little criticism

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:42 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I can certainly see from one POV how a group of awakened individuals could appear to have some silent codependent agreement with one another, driven by ego satisfaction.

[FairfieldLife] Writers protest the new totalitarianism

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
Writers protest the new totalitarianismIbn WarraqJyllands Posten, the Danish newspaper that originally posted the Muhammad cartoons, has published a manifesto signed by 12 writers -- Muslim, ex-Muslim (including Jihad Watch Board member Ibn Warraq), and non-Muslim -- protesting the jihad,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ben Collins

2006-03-01 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a good one, Ben. Do a special puja or something. ** Happy Birthday, Ben. Marek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor

[FairfieldLife] mum lawsuits

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
Two separate federal lawsuits have now been filed in U.S. District Court in Des Moines against M.U.M. claiming the school doesn't adequately protect its students. The estate of Levi Butler filed one of the lawsuits, and Killian's family filed the other. The lawsuits allege M.U.M. was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara.I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility  that

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Marek Reavis
**Comment below** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** One disconcerting thing that was obvious very soon and persisted throughout these sessions was the almost absolute infrequency with which descriptions ever strayed outside of either established

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more 

[FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread peterklutz
A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:**Comment below** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** One disconcerting thing that was obvious very soon and persisted   throughout these sessions was the almost absolute infrequency with   which

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:08 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip The true definition of

Re: [FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/1/06 3:48 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. So a lot of horses took a lot of 6-month courses. How many enlightened

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great .sig file :-)

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: * If you meet the Buddha on the Internet, killfile him. Funny, yeah. But seriously I think,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 10:19 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see you are doing the same thing, that is, stating the 'party' line, do

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that is death to materiality and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY talks

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not arguing that there aren't charlatans out there; there are. But

Re: [FairfieldLife] 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 3:48 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. So a lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a conversation I had with a priest in a Tamil temple he suggested that dong the Sidhis can burn off 7 lifetimes of Karma in one liftime. Go figure. Makes some sense to me. Tom T One

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is really saying, so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually say anything. :-) Translation: Barry's peeved that I nailed what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because sometimes I seriously wonder, and he has NEVER said so to my knowledge! He seems more like a bitter old man these days and sometimes the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Also his

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Because sometimes I seriously wonder, and he has NEVER said so to my knowledge! He seems more like a bitter old man these days and sometimes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is really saying, so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually say

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: That's it. That was also Papaji's point stating too many are hanging around

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/28/06 11:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, many would rather wallow in the inertia of their 'seeker'  identity, proclaiming enlightenment can't be so, because of this, and 

[FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein's Statement

2006-03-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
While we are deeply sympathetic for the loss suffered by Levi's family, the responsibility for the murder does not lie with the university he attended. At the same time, Killian has filed a separate lawsuit claiming he suffered damages as a result of being attacked with a pen by Shuvender Sem

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, when someone claims to be enlightened, we should just accept it without question? If I say I have brown hair, why is that so much easier to accept, than if I say I am enlightened?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You, on the other hand, seem to be so *threatened* by these alternative

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj This could be major. I wonder if MUM is

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj This could be major. I wonder if MUM is properly insured to cover financial liabilities should they lose. Could also be an

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:28 PM, bbrigante wrote: If Sem had only been involved in twice-daily TM, that might have been OK, but students were being told to meditate 10 minutes out of each class hour, effectively doubling

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that undoubtedly would have done wonders for his psychosis. A meat and potatoes diet along with Tai Chi is what they always recommend when someone stabs someone else. Both you and Bob appear to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: A windfall for Kaplan, but also good for meditators who owned homes next to Purusha, as their home values will go up -- they can sell easily,

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:24 PM, bbrigante wrote: Not that it matters to a personality like yours, which is only about half a click from that of Sem, Takes one to know one, Bob.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Yeah, that undoubtedly would have done wonders for his psychosis. A meat and potatoes diet along with Tai Chi is what they always recommend when someone stabs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it a sin to question whether or not MMY is enlightened?

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] MMY himself says he has not invented any of the info, just revived it it's more pure form (and then stuck his own name on it, of course). It's not MMY University of Mangement, or MMY anything else. Maharishi is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, purushaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is incorrect. Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, which have to do with relative endeavors.. Why stop with control over pain? Why

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:05 PM, purushaz wrote: ---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is incorrect. Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, which have to do with relative

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been a tendency to be deferential to those who claimed or were rumored

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the contrary. What I've observed has been

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/1/06 10:02 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: FWIW, I've never

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Peter
--- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochuresat the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78thStreet in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students

2006-03-01 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 3:28 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/q4fgj This could be major. I wonder if MUM is properly

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, anonyff@ writes: When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-03-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale

2006-03-01 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: A windfall for Kaplan, but also good for meditators who owned homes next

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread matrixmonitor
---Right (below - CC in 5 years, actually). That's how long it took Jerry Jarvis to reach CC, so the idea and promotion gimmicks were biased toward his experiences, as the SIMS leader. As to animals becoming Enlightened, there's a precedent in Ramana Maharshi's tradition, since he helped Lakshmi

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times

2006-03-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I don't know if this is true about the Travis studies, but it used to be policy at MUM that any study reg. higher states could only

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