[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He probably shouldn't have been meditating at all, at least not TM which can cause significant side effects... Unlike other, more powerful techniques? Actually, sometimes, yes. The Rama trip attracted a fair number of former TMers who were tired of no results with TM. I knew at least three people who had experienced violent twitching (uncontrollable physical movements both in and out of meditation) with TM, ever since their teacher training courses. Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. It's good to remember that TM AND THE TM-SIDDHIS WERE *MADE UP* BY MAHARISHI, and other techniques were actually passed down from traditions that might have had the time to work the kinks out of them. It can make a difference, and in my experience often does. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: so who regularly disses who for what claim of experience or non- experience? My own take on people who claim to be in full-blown brahman consciousness is that MMY has, from what Ihave heard, said that someone who is fully in Unity (and brahman con. transcends Unity, I hear) can manifest any ole siddhi he chooses to. That being the case, anyone who claims Brahman Consciousness should have had at least one full-blown experience of floating for 5-30 mintues while practicing the Yogic FLying technique since, even if the TM- Sidhis techniques are entirely bogus, mere intent is all that is required for someone in Unity to perform a siddhi. Someday you should learn to take what Maharishisez with the necessary shaker of salt. AFAIK, he is pretty much *alone* in the spiritual world at suggesting this criterion for full enlightenment. *History* certainly doesn't agree with him; it is full of people who have been regarded as fully enlightened, and who have *never* exhibited any of the siddhis. It's an apples and oranges thang, but even more so. The siddhis have absolutely nothing to do with enlightenment. The apples come from Venus and enlightenment comes from Mars. :-) Many non-enlightened people can perform the siddhis and many enlightened people cannot. The *only* reason Maharishi tried to suggest a link between the two is that he was trying to SELL the siddhis as a pathway to enlightenment. Gee, Barry, you seem to have inadvertently deleted what Lawson was responding to from your post. Let me help you out and restore it: Gotta agree. And it ain't just here...it's a fairly universal trend in spiritual groups. Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example, enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in the group who have not had such an experience. One would think they'd be happy that someone is actually getting what they paid for, but the reality is sadly often the opposite. Now read what Lawson wrote again, *in response to what you wrote*, and see if you can figure out why your comment here is a complete non sequitur. Hint: Look closely at the first sentence of Lawson's response. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is really saying, so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually say anything. :-) Translation: Barry's peeved that I nailed what he said. Doncha just love it when someone is accused of doing something stupid regularly and then replies, doing exactly that. :-) :-) :-) Translation: Barry thinks that by labeling it stupid, he can obscure the fact that I nailed what he said and that he's peeved thereby. What's really funny is that the nailing didn't even involve any interpretation. In one instance that he's so freaked about, I simply *quoted* what he had said because Michael had thought Barry was saying he knew his ten people hadn't had any experiences through some sort of intuition, whereas Barry had specified that *they* would say they'd had no experiences. In the other I drew an obvious logical inference from what he had said--i.e., that he was defining faith so as to exclude experience--which came directly from what he had said about people *not* having experiences, only faith. Actually what he's really pissed off about is that I dared to go on to suggest that not everyone defines faith that way. Barry, you're so *pathetically* transparent. He's only pushing your buttons so everyone else can be as amused by you as he is. Well, I guess he's not transparent to you, then. Sarcasm/irony detector a little off today, perhaps? You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is really saying, so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually say anything. :-) Translation: Barry's peeved that I nailed what he said. Doncha just love it when someone is accused of doing something stupid regularly and then replies, doing exactly that. :-) :-) :-) Translation: Barry thinks that by labeling it stupid, he can obscure the fact that I nailed what he said and that he's peeved thereby. What's really funny is that the nailing didn't even involve any interpretation. In one instance that he's so freaked about, I simply *quoted* what he had said because Michael had thought Barry was saying he knew his ten people hadn't had any experiences through some sort of intuition, whereas Barry had specified that *they* would say they'd had no experiences. In the other I drew an obvious logical inference from what he had said--i.e., that he was defining faith so as to exclude experience--which came directly from what he had said about people *not* having experiences, only faith. Actually what he's really pissed off about is that I dared to go on to suggest that not everyone defines faith that way. Barry, you're so *pathetically* transparent. He's only pushing your buttons so everyone else can be as amused by you as he is. Well, I guess he's not transparent to you, then. Sarcasm/irony detector a little off today, perhaps? You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. No, sorry, as I've already pointed out, you didn't bother to read the post in question, so you missed the fact that I wasn't translating what you had written at all. Too bad. Try another shot, Barry. See if you can come up with *something* legitimate for once, instead of screwing it up as you usually do. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... Poor Barry has to *make up* stuff right out of his head in order to have a laugh. As I suggested earlier, he lives in his own private fantasy world, including the fantasy that this fact isn't transparent to everybody else. I mean, you really can't blame him. If he were ever to take a step into the world everybody else lives in and realize what a phony he is, he'd never get over it. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) On the other hand, please don't ignore that I snipped some stuff from the above post when replying to it with my clarification above. This gives you the opportunity to suggest, as you...ahem...tend to do often, that the snippage was nefarious, and intended to delete something terribly embarrassing, something that proves you RIGHT and whoever you're accusing of the nefarious snippage WRONG. I mean...you've got a FAN BASE here, dear. You can't disappoint them by failing to say the things they expect you to say... :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) Oh, sorry, you screwed up again. Never said I haven't used any of those words. That's more of your fantasy world, Barry. As to comic emphasis, that's not done by using quote marks when it could be mistaken for a direct quote. You do it to imply the person you're attacking has actually *used* those words. But in many cases--one more time--they're from your fantasy world, not from the world the rest of us live in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) Oh, sorry, you screwed up again. Never said I haven't used any of those words. That's more of your fantasy world, Barry. As to comic emphasis, that's not done by using quote marks when it could be mistaken for a direct quote. You do it to imply the person you're attacking has actually *used* those words. But in many cases--one more time--they're from your fantasy world, not from the world the rest of us live in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) On the other hand, please don't ignore that I snipped some stuff from the above post when replying to it with my clarification above. This gives you the opportunity to suggest, as you...ahem...tend to do often, that the snippage was nefarious, and intended to delete something terribly embarrassing, something that proves you RIGHT and whoever you're accusing of the nefarious snippage WRONG. I mean...you've got a FAN BASE here, dear. You can't disappoint them by failing to say the things they expect you to say... :-) :-) :-) Barry, really, honest to goodness, the reality everybody else lives in is a *much* better place to be. Once you can admit to yourself that you've been living in a fantasy world all these years, you'll find life *so* much easier. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) Oh, sorry, you screwed up again. Never said I haven't used any of those words. That's more of your fantasy world, Barry. As to comic emphasis, that's not done by using quote marks when it could be mistaken for a direct quote. You do it to imply the person you're attacking has actually *used* those words. But in many cases--one more time--they're from your fantasy world, not from the world the rest of us live in. Paranoia reigns supreme. :-) But you've gotta forgive Judy...she's probably not at the top of her form right now. After all, she's still up at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, ranting to FFL, saving the world from the dastardly anti-TMers who are hell-bent on destroying it and suggesting that TM isn't the BEST technique of meditation on the planet. Me, I just got up after a good night's sleep, and have already had my coffee, so I guess enough of my brain cells are functioning so that I don't tend to sound as much like a paranoid cult fanatic. When Judy gets a little sleep and comes back later, I'm sure she won't be quite so paranoid. Right, guys? Right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] House Magazine on Mahrishi Vedic Architecture
Note: forwarded message attached. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- February 2006Enlightened DesignVedic architecture employs ancient design principles to promote peace and well-being. BY SUSAN HODARA, PHOTOSBY LINDA BELL HALLIn the four years that Terry and Bernard Nevas have lived in their Weston, Conn., home, their lives, they will tell you, have never been better. Their sleep is refreshing, their meals are nourishing, their work is productive. Though their two children are grown, Ms. Nevas says she feels "a deepening richness of experience within our family." As for their 30-year marriage, Mr. Nevas says, "We had a perfect marriage before we moved into our vastu, and now it is even more perfect." The Nevases' vastu is their airy, sun-filled, 4,200-square-foot home situated at the top of a winding, tree-lined driveway. "Vastu" is the Indian word for a structure built according to the ancient architectural principles known as Sthapathya Vedone of 40 Vedic bodies of knowledge dating back to 2500 B.C. and addressing a range of topics from the arts to the sciences. Sthapathya Ved, which some say lent concepts to the Chinese feng shui, dictates the precise layout, orientation, and dimensionsdown to 1/16 of an inchfor a building that is aligned most closely with the laws of nature, and thereby maximizes the well-being of its inhabitants. Currently in the planning stages is the first Sthapathya Ved home in New York. The house will be built on four acres in Bedford Hills by Elizabeth and Hollis Taggart, who are currently renting in Bedford, and who have constructed two other Sthapathya Ved homes, one in Boone, N.C., and one on Kiawah Island, S.C. What convinced them to build a Sthapathya Ved house here, says Ms. Taggart, a writer, was their seven-year-old son, Lincoln. "After we'd been in our rental for seven months, he told me, 'I love this house, but I don't feel as protected here,' she says. "That was last February. We started looking for land in March." Terry and Bernard Nevas learned of Sthapathya Ved through their over 30 years of meditation and involvement with Transcendental Meditation. They are the directors of the Maharishi Enlightenment Center of Mid-Fairfield County, currently located in their home, where they teach meditation. They built their house in collaboration with Neil Hauck, of Neil Hauck Architects, LLC, in Darien, Conn., and a Sthapathya Ved architectural consultant in Iowa responsible for ensuring that the design conformed to Vedic principles. The homeowners, directors of the Maharishi Enlightenment Center of Mid-Fairfield County, say of their home, "It all feels right."Sthapathya Ved buildings have been constructed across the globe in an assortment of styles, including log cabins, Swiss chalets, and stone villas. The Taggart home, says Ms. Taggart, blends "the best of American architecture." The Nevas residence is a hybrid, says Hauck, of "colonial and Connecticut farmhouse with classical Italianate influences." But regardless of size, form, or location, all such homes have common elements. One is a fence surrounding the structure; the Nevases' is white picket. "The vastu fence delineates an area around the house that is protected," says Mr. Nevas. "Its placement is determined mathematically." Atop the house are five conical finialskalashes, in Sanskritpositioned where sections of the roof intersect. Their role, Mr. Nevas explains, is to connect the individual to the cosmos, and he adds, he and Ms. Nevas have experienced their power. While constructing another Sthapathya Ved home in North Carolina a decade ago, they made regular visits to monitor its progress. "At one point," Mr. Nevas says, "we arrived at night. It hadn't been long since our last visit, and not much had been done, but something was different. We felt peaceful and energized, but we didn't know why. The next morning, we saw that the kalash had been placed on the roof." On a side table stands a portrait of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of transcendental meditation and the homeowners' teacher.Another feature of a Vedic home is its Brahmasthan, the exact center, again
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale
Just because some bonehead posts here that Kaplan was ripped off for $16 million does not make it true. Kaplan said all kinds of things about the TMO when he split, but being ripped off was not one of the claims -- Kaplan simply said that he was ill-treated after donating millions of dollars. He said a great deal more than he was ill treated. Aren't all the letters in the files area? JohnY Earl made it clear both publicly and to his friends that the transfering of the monies in the spiritual center acct to India was the main cause of the split and was deeply surprising and disturbing to him at the time. It's true there may have been some rumblings of dissatisfaction already due to a number of factors such as MMY turning down Earl's offer of sponsoring pundits and the reason for doing so (which has been discussed here before) - Earl did not go on the millionaires course probably for this reason. But the reports from close friends and spiritual mountain associates of Earl is that he was very much committed to the spiritual mountain project and sponsoring purusha and MD. I don't know anything direct about David's state of mind. People can believe the $16 million heist story or not based on their perceptions of MMY, but the view that the Kaplans made up the whole split as a way to justify selling the property is not viewed as true by anyone who knew them at the time. I don't know the details of the sale - if it includes all the buildings as well as land and roads, then they did not clean up with a $44 million sales price. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He probably shouldn't have been meditating at all, at least not TM which can cause significant side effects... Unlike other, more powerful techniques? Actually, sometimes, yes. The Rama trip attracted a fair number of former TMers who were tired of no results with TM. I knew at least three people who had experienced violent twitching (uncontrollable physical movements both in and out of meditation) with TM, ever since their teacher training courses. Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? It's good to remember that TM AND THE TM-SIDDHIS WERE *MADE UP* BY MAHARISHI, and other techniques were actually passed down from traditions that might have had the time to work the kinks out of them. It can make a difference, and in my experience often does. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that you know what everyone is really saying, so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually say anything. :-) Translation: Barry's peeved that I nailed what he said. Doncha just love it when someone is accused of doing something stupid regularly and then replies, doing exactly that. :-) :-) :-) Translation: Barry thinks that by labeling it stupid, he can obscure the fact that I nailed what he said and that he's peeved thereby. What's really funny is that the nailing didn't even involve any interpretation. In one instance that he's so freaked about, I simply *quoted* what he had said because Michael had thought Barry was saying he knew his ten people hadn't had any experiences through some sort of intuition, whereas Barry had specified that *they* would say they'd had no experiences. In the other I drew an obvious logical inference from what he had said--i.e., that he was defining faith so as to exclude experience--which came directly from what he had said about people *not* having experiences, only faith. Actually what he's really pissed off about is that I dared to go on to suggest that not everyone defines faith that way. Barry, you're so *pathetically* transparent. He's only pushing your buttons so everyone else can be as amused by you as he is. Well, I guess he's not transparent to you, then. Sarcasm/irony detector a little off today, perhaps? You regularly indulge him in the pushing buttons theme. How could I tell this comment was sarcastic? I can't help but guffaw here, because this is just too precious. The whole *thread* was initiated to poke fun at Judy's continuing tendency to translate what other people are really saying in their posts, because she knows what they're saying. She's on record here dozens of times of claiming that they really mean exactly the opposite of what they say they mean. It's rather an amazing siddhi she professes to have, if you think about it. But it seems to function irregularly. Now she can't even tell when Lawson is being sarcastic and when he's not. Maybe the siddhi only works on...what is her term... anti-TMers. :-) Thanks to both Judy and Lawson for making my morning. You just can't make this kinda stuff up. It's really delightful... :-) :-) :-) YOu enjoy watching people argue, make fools of themselves, whatever? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78th Street in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would be enlightened in 5-7 years. I remember planning my getting enlightened out and telling friends how great it would be to be in Cosmic Consciousness at age 26, God Consciousness at age 27, and finally Unity Consciousness at age 28. Thats how it was outlined in the brochure, CC in 5 years, another year for GC, then one final year for UC. Here it is almost 37 years later, HA! The problem is not with the TMO but with you. Did you *save* your brochure and your initial receipt? You have to present both at the doorway to enlightenment to reach CC or any of the other states. No brochure and receipt, no guarantee. It's just like the guarantee on a toaster. :-) +++ Maybe, already being enlightened, you wouldn't notice much change? With so many different definitions how can you be sure? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan cleans up on Boone land sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because some bonehead posts here that Kaplan was ripped off for $16 million does not make it true. Kaplan said all kinds of things about the TMO when he split, but being ripped off was not one of the claims -- Kaplan simply said that he was ill-treated after donating millions of dollars. He said a great deal more than he was ill treated. Aren't all the letters in the files area? JohnY Earl made it clear both publicly and to his friends that the transfering of the monies in the spiritual center acct to India was the main cause of the split and was deeply surprising and disturbing to him at the time. It's true there may have been some rumblings of dissatisfaction already due to a number of factors such as MMY turning down Earl's offer of sponsoring pundits and the reason for doing so (which has been discussed here before) - Earl did not go on the millionaires course probably for this reason. But the reports from close friends and spiritual mountain associates of Earl is that he was very much committed to the spiritual mountain project and sponsoring purusha and MD. I don't know anything direct about David's state of mind. People can believe the $16 million heist story or not based on their perceptions of MMY, but the view that the Kaplans made up the whole split as a way to justify selling the property is not viewed as true by anyone who knew them at the time. I don't know the details of the sale - if it includes all the buildings as well as land and roads, then they did not clean up with a $44 million sales price. Inever said that they cleaned up. I said that they had a buyer in- line. A sale of $44 million taking place in a period of only 3 months from the time the property legally becomes available is pretty darned unusual. While its always possible that someone just happened upon the property and made a bid and closed the deal in 90 days, more likely, the Kapplans were approached well before they got permission to make the sale. I suspect that their final decision to go public with their reservations was triggered by a solid buy inquiry. Similarly, Chopra was alreaady well-out-of the TMO for nearly a year before the TMO announced that he was gone. A canny businessman doesn't just pack his bags and leave without having something waiting for him if he can help it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Rather than a level, I should have said rate of evolving. Everyone seems to be in a frantic race to be enlightened but, I think it is easier to enjoy and let it go easily. I am quite busy enjoying work and life so enlightenment can wait. Traffic lights are usually green when I get there and when I need to see someone, they usually turn up on time etc. The jet plane analogy is ok for some but I am enjoying the detail found in travelling slowly. If you skip a grade in school, you don't get to see life from that pov. Enlightenment, which seems to me inevitable, shouldn't be the basis of endless debate and, stress. Being essentially eternal, we worry about a timetable? Ha. N. Good point. With the caveat that seekers sometimes develop a faux equinimity about gaining enlightenment, the flip side is, Yes, we should continue to live our lives fully while striving for our enlightenment. The trap I see some fall into, and some in the TMO especially is this misintepretation, that, if I only do this one- more-thing, Ah, THEN I will reach enlightenment! Putting life on hold doesn't do the seeker any good, except teach them that it doesn't do them any good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: By the way, Jude...before you go off on one of your familiar rants about my use of quotation marks, it's worth remembering that sometimes they are used for comic *emphasis*, not to indicate a direct quote. Y'know...sorta like when Dr. Evil makes the 'quote marks' in the air with his fingers when he says laser. In other words, I did not mean to imply above that you have ever used the words translate, really, knows, or mean. I think we all understand that you have never used any of those words. :-) :-) :-) Oh, sorry, you screwed up again. Never said I haven't used any of those words. That's more of your fantasy world, Barry. As to comic emphasis, that's not done by using quote marks when it could be mistaken for a direct quote. You do it to imply the person you're attacking has actually *used* those words. But in many cases--one more time--they're from your fantasy world, not from the world the rest of us live in. Paranoia reigns supreme. :-) But you've gotta forgive Judy...she's probably not at the top of her form right now. After all, she's still up at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, ranting to FFL, saving the world from the dastardly anti-TMers who are hell-bent on destroying it and suggesting that TM isn't the BEST technique of meditation on the planet. Um, speaking of paranoia... Barry, really, honest to goodness, the reality everybody else lives in is a *much* better place to be. Once you can admit to yourself that you've been living in a fantasy world all these years, you'll find life *so* much easier. Me, I just got up after a good night's sleep, and have already had my coffee, so I guess enough of my brain cells are functioning so that I don't tend to sound as much like a paranoid cult fanatic. When Judy gets a little sleep and comes back later, I'm sure she won't be quite so paranoid. Right, guys? Right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He probably shouldn't have been meditating at all, at least not TM which can cause significant side effects... Unlike other, more powerful techniques? Actually, sometimes, yes. The Rama trip attracted a fair number of former TMers who were tired of no results with TM. I knew at least three people who had experienced violent "twitching" (uncontrollable physical movements both in and out of meditation) with TM, ever since their teacher training courses. Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Rats! Foiled again!Next time I'm sneakin' up with my nail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
Jim Flanegin: 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are awake themselves... Vaj writes: I don't know if I would describe it necessarily that way, but as just observing what's there: things arise, hang round and then subside. Later, I could make brief observations--maybe compare/contrast: what was there, what wasn't. what was missing, etc. Tom T: Vaj seems to dismiss Jim obvious point. So lets summarize that point. It takes one to know one. If vaj can't get what he was missing then he obviously isn't one. If a group chooses to use a language that they as a group have spent 30+ years becoming familiar with that is the choice that group makes to make trying to say what can not be said at least more coherent. The freshness is always in the individuals way of saying it uniquely in there own words. If Vaj wasn't able to get that or hear that then he again is making it clear he is not one who knows and could not know one if it bit him in the *ss. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
Anonff writes: Here it is almost 37 years later, HA! Peter: HA! Is that the expression of the final discrimination into That? Tom T: It is my experience that when I hear someone who knows express it that unique way that only they can, there is an involuntary HA! that pops up and gets expressed. It is kind of like the universe making an exclamtion point to verify the person who just said a very unique thing that captures the essence of it all. I am always surprised when it pops out. It does get you stared at in restaurants, even in FF. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Rats! Foiled again! Next time I'm sneakin' up with my nail. AHA!!! Vaj reveals the extent of his sadistic fantasies. I trust that everyone will remember this in the future, and realize that when he says things that only *seem* accepting of TMers that what he *really* wants to do is stick nails into them...*all* of them...*all* of the time. It's right there in print...he's admitted it!!! How can anyone possibly believe anything he says about *anything* now that I've revealed his deeper and darker motives for all to see? :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin: 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are awake themselves... Vaj writes: I don't know if I would describe it necessarily that way, but as just observing what's there: things arise, hang round and then subside. Later, I could make brief observations--maybe compare/contrast: what was there, what wasn't. what was missing, etc. Tom T: Vaj seems to dismiss Jim obvious point. So lets summarize that point. It takes one to know one. If vaj can't get what he was missing then he obviously isn't one. Not necessarily, Tom. As you might remember from my past posts here, I'm a big fan of the recognition theory when it comes to explaining what happens in a satsang setting. That is, no one ever really transmits anything. Instead, what happens is that when people are exposed to someone who is firing on more cylinders than they are, sometimes they *recognize* something in the other person that allows that same something to wake up inside them. That said, not everyone recognizes the same things, or in the same people. Four people can go to see a saint, and two are wowed by him and the other two see nothing that impresses them at all. And that is just *fine*, because everyone has predilections in life. They just might be on a different wavelength, or not be ready to recognize what the particular saint has to offer. It is *not* necessarily the fault of the person who sees or experiences nothing in particular when exposed to a certain person or group of people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
Well said again Tom T. on your last 2 posts TOM ...Thanks 4 some AHHH HAAS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:51 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Jim Flanegin: 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are awake themselves... Vaj writes: I don't know if I would describe it necessarily that way, but as just observing what's there: things arise, hang round and then subside. Later, I could make brief observations--maybe compare/contrast: what was there, what wasn't. what was missing, etc. Tom T: Vaj seems to dismiss Jim obvious point. So lets summarize that point. It takes one to know one. If vaj can't get what he was missing then he obviously isn't one. If a group chooses to use a language that they as a group have spent 30+ years becoming familiar with that is the choice that group makes to make trying to say what can not be said at least more coherent. The freshness is always in the individuals way of saying it uniquely in there own words. Hi tomandcindytraynor:Or if you prefer the Occam's razor answer, perhaps I felt it in bad form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it in public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, discussing of "experiences" and so on--but didn't you ever wonder about those who knew the point of non-discussion of experience? If Vaj wasn't able to get thator hear that then he again is making it clear he is not one who knowsand could not know one if it bit him in the *ss. TomWould you like to see the scar on my ass? I'd love to show that to you! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip perhaps I felt it in bad form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it in public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, discussing of experiences and so on--but didn't you ever wonder about those who knew the point of non-discussion of experience? Just want to add that in my case I am not bragging. What is there to brag about? The reasons I discuss my experience of awakening openly is, one, because there is an opportunity to do so, where at least some of the folks reading understand what is being discussed, and two, I personally feel that it is important to let people know that ordinary chumps, like me, can achieve such a state. Everyone handles this [discussion of experiences] as they see fit, and I respect their decision, whatever it may be. I thought it important to clarify that this is absolutely not a case of gee look how great I am. For one thing, once awakened, such a posture makes absolutely no sense for several reasons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip perhaps I felt it in bad form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it in public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, discussing of experiences and so on--but didn't you ever wonder about those who knew the point of non-discussion of experience? Just want to add that in my case I am not bragging. What is there to brag about? The reasons I discuss my experience of awakening openly is, one, because there is an opportunity to do so, where at least some of the folks reading understand what is being discussed, and two, I personally feel that it is important to let people know that ordinary chumps, like me, can achieve such a state. May I state for the record that this is *exactly* how your contributions in this regard have always been perceived by me. I share both your relief at finding a place where such things *can* be discussed without *too* much negative feedback (there is always some...it comes with the territory). And I also share the intent you expressed -- I think it's important for Ordinary People to be open about having had Ordinary Enlightenment Experiences. It's *not* some- thing that only happens to the holy or the pure or those who follow all the rules. Sometimes it happens to just the weirdest people in the world, for no other reason than it just happens to them. One of the things I tried to do in my book was to consciously bounce the reader back and forth between descriptions of experiences that many of them have previously only associated with the pure and the holy, and then immediately afterwards provide a reminder that these experiences -- for whatever reason -- were being had by a person who still drank coffee and liquor, who womanized, and who very much did *not* follow the rules. I think it's important to present such experiences *AS* ordinary, *AS IF* they could happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. Because they do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's *not* some- thing that only happens to the holy or the pure or those who follow all the rules. Sometimes it happens to just the weirdest people in the world, for no other reason than it just happens to them. Yeah, one thing that has been discussed here at length is the endless diversity of experiences people go through on their way to awakening. The reason I stuck with TM forever was that I found I didn't have to follow anyone's rules when doing it, so I have continued to live a quietly unorthodox life, and though the challenges have been great, so have the rewards. From the time I could think, I have approached each situation as either something I should do, unless I could personally think of a reason not to, or, something I should not do, unless I could personally think of a reason to do it. In other words, I've never taken anything for granted, nor had much respect for rules imposed externally. Allows for a much freer life, though I've also learned that the amount of freedom exercised is absolutely equal to the amount of responsibility taken. One of the things I tried to do in my book was to consciously bounce the reader back and forth between descriptions of experiences that many of them have previously only associated with the pure and the holy, and then immediately afterwards provide a reminder that these experiences -- for whatever reason -- were being had by a person who still drank coffee and liquor, who womanized, and who very much did *not* follow the rules. I think it's important to present such experiences *AS* ordinary, *AS IF* they could happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. Because they do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness on 3/2/06 11:14 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you like to see the scar on my ass? I'd love to show that to you! :-) Reminds me of Forrest Gump and LBJ. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 11:57 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip perhaps I felt it in bad form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it in public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, discussing of experiences and so on--but didn't you ever wonder about those who knew the point of non-discussion of experience? Just want to add that in my case I am not bragging. What is there to brag about? The reasons I discuss my experience of awakening openly is, one, because there is an opportunity to do so, where at least some of the folks reading understand what is being discussed, and two, I personally feel that it is important to let people know that ordinary chumps, like me, can achieve such a state. Good point. I respect Vaj's knowledge and experience, but I have a hard time believing that people like Eckhart Tolle and Bernadette Roberts are not enlightened merely because they couldn't be oblivious to having a nail driven through their foot or that they cast a shadow. I think he's raising the bar too high. Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's *not* some- thing that only happens to the holy or the pure or those who follow all the rules. Sometimes it happens to just the weirdest people in the world, for no other reason than it just happens to them. Yeah, one thing that has been discussed here at length is the endless diversity of experiences people go through on their way to awakening. The reason I stuck with TM forever was that I found I didn't have to follow anyone's rules when doing it, so I have continued to live a quietly unorthodox life, and though the challenges have been great, so have the rewards. From the time I could think, I have approached each situation as either something I should do, unless I could personally think of a reason not to, or, something I should not do, unless I could personally think of a reason to do it. In other words, I've never taken anything for granted, nor had much respect for rules imposed externally. Allows for a much freer life, though I've also learned that the amount of freedom exercised is absolutely equal to the amount of responsibility taken. Yup. And I think it's important to present that approach to others as a viable spiritual path. So *much* of traditional spirituality has been about *elitism*. The portrayal of the enlightened as rare, the portrayal of them as perfect, without human frailty and Normal Everyday Flaws. I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's *ever* been like that. Shankara farted and shat just like everyone else does. He had his good days and his bad days. He probably had his share of sexual fantasies. In other words, he was a normal guy...just a normal guy who realized his own enlightenment, that's all. I think that the portrayal of the enlightened as perfect, as existing on some kind of idealized pedestal, is counterproductive to the max. The higher the pedestal that seekers put the enlightened on, the more difficult they believe it is for *them* to ever get up to a pedestal that high. So they don't. Portraying the enlightened as extraordinary, and lacking everyday human frailties, is IMO a mechanism for *preventing* enlightenment. In general, I'd say that the more a spiritual tradition puts its enlightened masters up on a pedestal and teaches its students to revere them as special and rare, the less likely it is that the tradition will ever *produce* enlightenment in those students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He probably shouldn't have been meditating at all, at least not TM which can cause significant side effects... Unlike other, more powerful techniques? Actually, sometimes, yes. The Rama trip attracted a fair number of former TMers who were tired of no results with TM. I knew at least three people who had experienced violent twitching (uncontrollable physical movements both in and out of meditation) with TM, ever since their teacher training courses. Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. Actually it was a Transcendometer 600+ which added precise measurement of correct vastic positioning. :-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rebirth of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche
Since I shared some of the excerpts and we've talked a little on the biography _Blazing Splendor_ by Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche, I thought I'd share this good news I just received. This is becoming more common in the west now. -V. The long awaited announcement has finally come. Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche has taken rebirth in the family of Neten Chokling Rinpoche and his beautiful wife, Tendzin Choyang Gyari. Urgyen Jigmey Rabsel was born in the year of the snake is 4 1/2 years old (6 Tibetan). He was born in the USA has an American passport. Khabje Trulshik Rinpoche undeniably recognized him as the reincarnation of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche after carefully investigating his experience while in strict retreat in the holy pilgrimage place in Maritika, Nepal. The child is currently in Bir India with his parents will be given a new name at the time of the hair cutting ceremony. As an auspicious coincidence, Tulkus Chokyi Nyima, Tsikey Chokling, Tsoknyi Phakchok Rinpoches as well as Tenpa Chophel will travel to Bir tomorrow to meet the child and his parents. There will be a ceremony with the Neten Chokling Gonpa in Bir and with the sons of the former Neten Chokling Rinpoche, Urgyen Topgyal, Khyentse Yeshe, Jamyang Dzigar Kongtrul Rinpoches. After paying respect to the family of the tulku, there will be more news as to any other ceremonies. As soon as we have the tulku's long life prayer, we will send it around. This is a very happy time for all of the students of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche.Please join together to pray for the further unfolding of auspicious circumstances in regards to this joyous event. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's *ever* been like that. Shankara farted and shat just like everyone else does. I read that he had an anal fistula that bled and caused him a great deal of discomfort. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Transcendometers, was: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
on 3/2/06 1:02 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) At Poland Spring Maharishi and Itzhak Bentov talked about Transcendometers, using that actual term. Maharishi wanted Dr. Bentov to develop one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's *ever* been like that. Shankara farted and shat just like everyone else does. I read that he had an anal fistula that bled and caused him a great deal of discomfort. Probably as a result of so many people poking him with nails. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's *not* some- thing that only happens to the holy or the pure or those who follow all the rules. Sometimes it happens to just the weirdest people in the world, for no other reason than it just happens to them. Yeah, one thing that has been discussed here at length is the endless diversity of experiences people go through on their way to awakening. The reason I stuck with TM forever was that I found I didn't have to follow anyone's rules when doing it, so I have continued to live a quietly unorthodox life, and though the challenges have been great, so have the rewards. From the time I could think, I have approached each situation as either something I should do, unless I could personally think of a reason not to, or, something I should not do, unless I could personally think of a reason to do it. In other words, I've never taken anything for granted, nor had much respect for rules imposed externally. Allows for a much freer life, though I've also learned that the amount of freedom exercised is absolutely equal to the amount of responsibility taken. Yup. And I think it's important to present that approach to others as a viable spiritual path. So *much* of traditional spirituality has been about *elitism*. The portrayal of the enlightened as rare, the portrayal of them as perfect, without human frailty and Normal Everyday Flaws. I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's *ever* been like that. Shankara farted and shat just like everyone else does. He had his good days and his bad days. He probably had his share of sexual fantasies. In other words, he was a normal guy...just a normal guy who realized his own enlightenment, that's all. I think that the portrayal of the enlightened as perfect, as existing on some kind of idealized pedestal, is counterproductive to the max. The higher the pedestal that seekers put the enlightened on, the more difficult they believe it is for *them* to ever get up to a pedestal that high. So they don't. Portraying the enlightened as extraordinary, and lacking everyday human frailties, is IMO a mechanism for *preventing* enlightenment. In general, I'd say that the more a spiritual tradition puts its enlightened masters up on a pedestal and teaches its students to revere them as special and rare, the less likely it is that the tradition will ever *produce* enlightenment in those students. Yeah, the whole thing is a misintepretation. Because the experience of an awakened person is that they continue doing everything without becoming lost; in other words, there is a perfect synchronicity to their their thoughts and actions, a perfect attunement. This has come to be misintepreted as meaning they are to be seen and revered as perfected. Which they are. But only to themselves. To someone who is not perfected, the awakened person is not perfected, nor will they ever be seen as such, so why hold them up as such? After awhile, after the hand-holding has gone on for awhile, it is just a big distraction. One thing I really like about the Mr. M tradition is that it doesn't actually rely on the belief in the deification or divinity or perfection of its founder. Sure, lots of folks think it does, but they are mistaken. The only thing necessary is confidence in the techniques for purification of the mind and body. After that, its up to us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendometers, was: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/2/06 1:02 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) At Poland Spring Maharishi and Itzhak Bentov talked about Transcendometers, using that actual term. Maharishi wanted Dr. Bentov to develop one. His daughter's biography of him mentions it numerous times and how he toiled over it's invention. It was actually a chair you sat in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendometers, was: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/2/06 1:02 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) At Poland Spring Maharishi and Itzhak Bentov talked about Transcendometers, using that actual term. Maharishi wanted Dr. Bentov to develop one. His daughter's biography of him mentions it numerous times and how he toiled over it's invention. It was actually a chair you sat in. with a big nail in the seat, right? ; ) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:but I have a hard time believing that people like Eckhart Tolle and Bernadette Roberts are not enlightened merely because they couldn't be oblivious to having a nail driven through their foot or that they cast a shadow. I think he's raising the bar too high. Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain in that style of samadhi only means he was not really in that style of samadhi. It really says little about enlightenment per se.The lack of casting of the shadow describes a certain aspect of unity, but is only really relevant in a style of enlightenment where the karmic supports for the physical body are transforming. And it's extremely rare, let alone witnessed. Nonetheless it's an occurrence I like to mention when britches get too many sizes too big. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness on 3/2/06 1:38 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain in that style of samadhi only means he was not really in that style of samadhi. It really says little about enlightenment per se. The lack of casting of the shadow describes a certain aspect of unity, but is only really relevant in a style of enlightenment where the karmic supports for the physical body are transforming. And it's extremely rare, let alone witnessed. Nonetheless it's an occurrence I like to mention when britches get too many sizes too big. So is there a state which you would feel comfortable labeling enlightenment which doesnt necessarily include these extraordinary states and abilities, and which normal folks might attain after 30-40 years of regular spiritual practice? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] India pictures
Here is a link to a website containing pictures taken at the Brahmasthan of India recently by two Ukraine Purushas. Note the pictures are all on one page so if you have a slow connection it may take some time to load. http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendometers, was: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/2/06 1:02 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) At Poland Spring Maharishi and Itzhak Bentov talked about Transcendometers, using that actual term. Maharishi wanted Dr. Bentov to develop one. His daughter's biography of him mentions it numerous times and how he toiled over it's invention. It was actually a chair you sat in. with a big nail in the seat, right? ; ) ROFL!No actually a screw. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Upon learning the meditation taught by Rama, not only did all three start experiencing long periods of transcendence (5 to 10 unbroken minutes in each meditation, as opposed to almost never in their practice of TM), their twitching went away, never to return. Go figure. Who timed them and how was this done? The International Committee for Samadhic Timing Standards using a Transcendometer 500. LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Rats! Foiled again! Next time I'm sneakin' up with my nail. Self-parody at its finest... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin: 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are awake themselves... Vaj writes: I don't know if I would describe it necessarily that way, but as just observing what's there: things arise, hang round and then subside. Later, I could make brief observations--maybe compare/contrast: what was there, what wasn't. what was missing, etc. Tom T: Vaj seems to dismiss Jim obvious point. So lets summarize that point. It takes one to know one. If vaj can't get what he was missing then he obviously isn't one. If a group chooses to use a language that they as a group have spent 30+ years becoming familiar with that is the choice that group makes to make trying to say what can not be said at least more coherent. The freshness is always in the individuals way of saying it uniquely in there own words. If Vaj wasn't able to get that or hear that then he again is making it clear he is not one who knows and could not know one if it bit him in the *ss. Tom S... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Rats! Foiled again! Next time I'm sneakin' up with my nail. AHA!!! Vaj reveals the extent of his sadistic fantasies. I trust that everyone will remember this in the future, and realize that when he says things that only *seem* accepting of TMers that what he *really* wants to do is stick nails into them...*all* of them...*all* of the time. It's right there in print...he's admitted it!!! How can anyone possibly believe anything he says about *anything* now that I've revealed his deeper and darker motives for all to see? :-) :-) :-) I was wrong: THIS is self-parody at its finest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 11:57 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip perhaps I felt it in bad form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it in public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, discussing of experiences and so on--but didn't you ever wonder about those who knew the point of non-discussion of experience? Just want to add that in my case I am not bragging. What is there to brag about? The reasons I discuss my experience of awakening openly is, one, because there is an opportunity to do so, where at least some of the folks reading understand what is being discussed, and two, I personally feel that it is important to let people know that ordinary chumps, like me, can achieve such a state. Good point. I respect Vaj's knowledge and experience, but I have a hard time believing that people like Eckhart Tolle and Bernadette Roberts are not enlightened merely because they couldn't be oblivious to having a nail driven through their foot or that they cast a shadow. I think he's raising the bar too high. Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. What bar is there that one needs to pass under/over to be enlightened? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendometers, was: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 1:02 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about that same Transcendometer 600(+), before I saw your post. I guess I should have checked with my Raja first :-) At Poland Spring Maharishi and Itzhak Bentov talked about Transcendometers, using that actual term. Maharishi wanted Dr. Bentov to develop one. In fact, Fred Travis has been working on one, though its a tad bulky right now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote: but I have a hard time believing that people like Eckhart Tolle and Bernadette Roberts are not enlightened merely because they couldn't be oblivious to having a nail driven through their foot or that they cast a shadow. I think he's raising the bar too high. Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain in that style of samadhi only means he was not really in that style of samadhi. It really says little about enlightenment per se. But your expectation about what samadhi is or isn't colors your perception of the story. The lack of casting of the shadow describes a certain aspect of unity, but is only really relevant in a style of enlightenment where the karmic supports for the physical body are transforming. And it's extremely rare, let alone witnessed. Nonetheless it's an occurrence I like to mention when britches get too many sizes too big. How do you know its extremely rare? Who says that such a state, where one can be sure that one won't scream, exists? What tradition gives this as a test? Zen stories speak of the guys who can meditate under a waterfall. I've meditated in a dentist's chair with the dentist drilling out a tooth. People can meditate while in extreme pain from broken bones, waiting foran ambulance. What specifically is there about the nail that makes this story important to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 1:38 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain in that style of samadhi only means he was not really in that style of samadhi. It really says little about enlightenment per se. The lack of casting of the shadow describes a certain aspect of unity, but is only really relevant in a style of enlightenment where the karmic supports for the physical body are transforming. And it's extremely rare, let alone witnessed. Nonetheless it's an occurrence I like to mention when britches get too many sizes too big. So is there a state which you would feel comfortable labeling ³enlightenment² which doesn¹t necessarily include these extraordinary states and abilities, and which normal folks might attain after 30-40 years of regular spiritual practice? As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming isn't relevant to witnessing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 3:30 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming isn't relevant to witnessing. He seems to feel that a fully enlightened person should be able to go into a state in which one would be unaware that the nail had been driven. In other words, senses completely shut down or withdrawn. I'm not convinced that that ability is a necessary criterion of enlightenment. It seems more like a specialized sidhi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 3:30 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming isn't relevant to witnessing. He seems to feel that a fully enlightened person should be able to go into a state in which one would be unaware that the nail had been driven. In other words, senses completely shut down or withdrawn. I'm not convinced that that ability is a necessary criterion of enlightenment. It seems more like a specialized sidhi. Of course the senses are withdrawn whenever one has samadhi during meditation, but 1) I've never heard it claimed that this would preclude waking up in an emergency and 2) wasn't this during a lecture? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
On Mar 2, 2006, at 4:30 PM, sparaig wrote:As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming isn't relevant to witnessing. Actually the quote was Robert Svoboda quoting his master, the Aghori Vimalananda. SO shouldn't you be saying that Robbie or Vimalananda is mis- or over-interpreting this?Rick, wasn't it you who shared the story of M. and the meeting with another meditation teacher whose students could go into an insensate samadhi? Had you forgotten about that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/2/06 1:38 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain in that style of samadhi only means he was not really in that style of samadhi. It really says little about enlightenment per se.The lack of casting of the shadow describes a certain aspect of unity, but is only really relevant in a style of enlightenment where the karmic supports for the physical body are transforming. And it's extremely rare, let alone witnessed. Nonetheless it's an occurrence I like to mention when britches get too many sizes too big. So is there a state which you would feel comfortable labeling “enlightenment” which doesn’t necessarily include these extraordinary states and abilities, and which normal folks might attain after 30-40 years of regular spiritual practice?It's all going to hinge on how you define the english word "enlightenment". Very vague word. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM sued in stabbing, slaying of students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: LIAR!! That's just more typically negative slander from Vaj. It was a Transcendometer 600 (the newer and more accurate model), as he is well aware. What is it that drives some people to LIE like this, when they *know* that their LIES will be exposed? At least he didn't snip anything maliciously to hide his nefarious intent this time, or put anything in quotes to imply that I had said it when he knows I didn't. Maybe my constant exposure of his horrible qualities is having a good effect after all. :-) :-) :-) Rats! Foiled again! Next time I'm sneakin' up with my nail. AHA!!! Vaj reveals the extent of his sadistic fantasies. I trust that everyone will remember this in the future, and realize that when he says things that only *seem* accepting of TMers that what he *really* wants to do is stick nails into them...*all* of them...*all* of the time. It's right there in print...he's admitted it!!! How can anyone possibly believe anything he says about *anything* now that I've revealed his deeper and darker motives for all to see? :-) :-) :-) I was wrong: THIS is self-parody at its finest. ROTFL!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness on 3/2/06 3:53 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, wasn't it you who shared the story of M. and the meeting with another meditation teacher whose students could go into an insensate samadhi? Yes, I told that story, having heard it from somewhere. There are also stories of Maharishi and Amma doing this. The Maharishi story, as I heard it, was that he was in some mountain cabin in California where he wanted to be left alone for a while to work on a book or something. There was a big snow storm and people couldnt get up there for a few days. When they finally did, they found him sitting in samadhi, half covered with snow, with the window open. When he came out he was none the worse for wear. Dont know the veracity of the story. Had you forgotten about that? No. Im sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that Im not convinced that such an ability is an essential prerequisite for enlightenment. But thats really just an opinion based on my current knowledge and experience. Subject to revision, as always. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:No. I’m sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that I’m not convinced that such an ability is an essential prerequisite for enlightenment. But that’s really just an opinion based on my current knowledge and experience. Subject to revision, as always. My feeling is this style of samadhi is just one means of investigating consciousness, not the only one. For the Patanjali yogins, it's real important--it's also used in some types of Buddhist meditation where the importance has to to with stability of the awareness which investigates consciousness. The deep silence allows for attentional stability and the vividness needed.I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha and he also described a similar story with M. albeit that this would take place over a weeks time, every year. He used a lightproof and temperature controlled room, and his body had to be wrapped in a certain prescribed manner, then off he went to a "continuum of silence" for days. He used it to check on the status of the universe it claimed.I was also told that these techniques were passed on to select group of purushas.Hard to verify if any of this is true or just fabrication. At the time of course I believed every word.Eventually I just stopped caring, found someone who knew the methods and went off and learned them on my own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote: No. Im sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that Im not convinced that such an ability is an essential prerequisite for enlightenment. But thats really just an opinion based on my current knowledge and experience. Subject to revision, as always. My feeling is this style of samadhi is just one means of investigating consciousness, not the only one. For the Patanjali yogins, it's real important--it's also used in some types of Buddhist meditation where the importance has to to with stability of the awareness which investigates consciousness. The deep silence allows for attentional stability and the vividness needed. I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha and he also described a similar story with M. albeit that this would take place over a weeks time, every year. He used a lightproof and temperature controlled room, and his body had to be wrapped in a certain prescribed manner, then off he went to a continuum of silence for days. He used it to check on the status of the universe it claimed. One of Maharishis secretaries told me that Maharishis weekly silences were working sessions. He would take food and crank out reams of notes. I dont know if they were all that way. I was also told that these techniques were passed on to select group of purushas. Hadnt heard that. Hard to verify if any of this is true or just fabrication. At the time of course I believed every word. Eventually I just stopped caring, found someone who knew the methods and went off and learned them on my own. Did you master them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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http://www.centralchronicle.com/20060303/0303302.htm Sanskrit and Macaulayan education Literally meaning refined and sanctified, and priding itself as cultured, Sanskrit is acclaimed as the best, sweetest and divine language (bhashasu mukhya madhura divya geervaan bharati). Sanskrit is the divine language revealed through the sages (Sanskritam naam daivi vaak anavyakhyata maharshibhihi). But though excepting Tirukkural which is in Tamil, almost all Hindu scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana and Mahabharata are written in Sanskrit, Sanskrit has been driven out of Indian schools and colleges by Macaulay's education introduced in India in 1835. Macaulayan education downgraded Indian languages including Sanskrit and replaced them with English. This education was introduced to de- Hinduize Hindus as is evident in Macaulay's following letter dated October 12, 1836 to his evangelist father, Our English schools are flourishing wonderfully; we find it difficult to provide instruction to all. The effect of this education on Hindus is prodigious. No Hindu who has received an English education ever remains sincerely attached to his religion. It is my firm belief that if our plans of education are followed up, there will not be a single idolater among the respected classes 30 years hence. And this will be effected without our efforts to proselytize; I heartily rejoice in the prospect. De-Hinduized by Macaulayan education, and brain washed by Macaulayan media, most of Hindu intellectuals, MBAs, business persons, doctors, lawyers, chartered accountants, engineers, teachers and the rest are self-alienated and do not know Sanskrit, and do not know much about Hindu religion or heritage, or about Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabharata or Tirukkural. India was expected to discard Macaulayism after the British left in 1947. On September 10, 1949, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar even sponsored an amendment making Sanskrit as the official language of India. But the said amendment was defeated in the Constituent Assembly. However, Sanskrit was included in the Eighth Schedule of Indian Constitution. But shockingly, Macaulay's missionary-oriented colonial education and neglect of Sanskrit is still gripping Independent India. After banishing Sanskrit from Indian schools and colleges, Macaulayists call Sanskrit 'the dead language'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. To bring up Suzanne Segal again, that's an admonition she hammered toward the end of her book -- seeing things as they really are. But she never elaborated on it. Sometimes I think the work of Byron Katie is geared toward seeing things as they really are, unencumbered by preconceptions or fears. Maybe that's one explanation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:No. I’m sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that I’m not convinced that such an ability is an essential prerequisite for enlightenment. But that’s really just an opinion based on my current knowledge and experience. Subject to revision, as always. My feeling is this style of samadhi is just one means of investigating consciousness, not the only one. For the Patanjali yogins, it's real important--it's also used in some types of Buddhist meditation where the importance has to to with stability of the awareness which investigates consciousness. The deep silence allows for attentional stability and the vividness needed.I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha and he also described a similar story with M. albeit that this would take place over a weeks time, every year. He used a lightproof and temperature controlled room, and his body had to be wrapped in a certain prescribed manner, then off he went to a "continuum of silence" for days. He used it to check on the status of the universe it claimed.One of Maharishi’s secretaries told me that Maharishi’s weekly silences were working sessions. He would take food and crank out reams of notes. I don’t know if they were all that way.I was also told that these techniques were passed on to select group of purushas.Hadn’t heard that.Hard to verify if any of this is true or just fabrication. At the time of course I believed every word.Eventually I just stopped caring, found someone who knew the methods and went off and learned them on my own.Did you master them? Not by a long shot, but dying is easier than I thought :-), it's coming back that can be difficult. These are practices done over a lifetime. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha and he also described a similar story with M. albeit that this would take place over a weeks time, every year. He used a lightproof and temperature controlled room, and his body had to be wrapped in a certain prescribed manner, then off he went to a continuum of silence for days. He used it to check on the status of the universe it claimed. One of Maharishi¹s secretaries told me that Maharishi¹s weekly silences were working sessions. He would take food and crank out reams of notes. I don¹t know if they were all that way. Doesn't he do a week of silence every year just before his birthday in January, when he proclaims the theme for the coming year? I remember seeing a tape of his address just after supposedly coming out of silence one year (many years ago), in which he was draped in a beige shawl and spoke quite softly but looked very blissful. It's the only time I recall seeing him wearing anything over his white outfit. We were told he didn't eat or drink anything during the week of silence, and that he always looked rather frail when he came out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. To bring up Suzanne Segal again, that's an admonition she hammered toward the end of her book -- seeing things as they really are. But she never elaborated on it. Sometimes I think the work of Byron Katie is geared toward seeing things as they really are, unencumbered by preconceptions or fears. Maybe that's one explanation. Isn't choiceless awareness Krishnamurti's version of this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interview with Byron Katie
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. To bring up Suzanne Segal again, that's an admonition she hammered toward the end of her book -- seeing things as they really are. But she never elaborated on it. Sometimes I think the work of Byron Katie is geared toward seeing things as they really are, unencumbered by preconceptions or fears. Maybe that's one explanation. Yes, Byron Katie's method of enquiry is really useful in unraveling stories stored in the mind. Clutter. And yes, the experience of the mind after awakening is like always starting with a clean slate, moment by moment, seeing anything in utter simplicity and utter profundity. Preconceptions are just there out of habit or due to fear. Without them, the world appears as it truly is, far deeper and more beautiful than we used to think it was. Much more becomes available, simply by placing the attention on it. No doubt sidhis and such powers are more easily expressed in such a state, but oddly enough, living a non-dual reality, where we are no longer always trying to *get* something or somewhere else, there is little desire to cultivate such things. Unless they arise in the course of daily life as being useful. Like my boss who had really bad hiccups awhile ago. I absorbed them by focusing on my throat (epiglotis actually), and they went away for him. Then recently, without knowing what I'd done, he gave me a much larger raise than what I was seeking. But I didn't do it for the raise. I did it because I felt sorry for him. And I have found that when the need is genuine, such things that can't be explained by people in darkness are readily available, depending on one's natural inclinations. Just one tiny example of how easy and simple and real the world becomes once we are awake. And how it begins to operate completely differently than what we thought before, caught up in all our stories and illusions and preconceptions. And at the same time, it is far more real, far more simple, and far more natural and gratifying than it ever was before. Thanks for your comments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 8:48 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha and he also described a similar story with M. albeit that this would take place over a weeks time, every year. He used a lightproof and temperature controlled room, and his body had to be wrapped in a certain prescribed manner, then off he went to a continuum of silence for days. He used it to check on the status of the universe it claimed. One of Maharishi¹s secretaries told me that Maharishi¹s weekly silences were working sessions. He would take food and crank out reams of notes. I don¹t know if they were all that way. Doesn't he do a week of silence every year just before his birthday in January, when he proclaims the theme for the coming year? Yes. I remember seeing a tape of his address just after supposedly coming out of silence one year (many years ago), in which he was draped in a beige shawl and spoke quite softly but looked very blissful. It's the only time I recall seeing him wearing anything over his white outfit. He had a Chartreuse shawl over his shoulders. Still wore the dhoti. We were told he didn't eat or drink anything during the week of silence, and that he always looked rather frail when he came out. Yes. I've been there several times when he came out. Very profound darshan, although now I wonder if he was acting a bit to embellish the impression. Maybe sometimes he didn't eat or drink during silence, but one of his secretaries told me that sometimes he did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Much more becomes available, simply by placing the attention on it. No doubt sidhis and such powers are more easily expressed in such a state, but oddly enough, living a non-dual reality, where we are no longer always trying to *get* something or somewhere else, there is little desire to cultivate such things. Unless they arise in the course of daily life as being useful. Like my boss who had really bad hiccups awhile ago. I absorbed them by focusing on my throat (epiglotis actually), and they went away for him. Then recently, without knowing what I'd done, he gave me a much larger raise than what I was seeking. But I didn't do it for the raise. I did it because I felt sorry for him. And I have found that when the need is genuine, such things that can't be explained by people in darkness are readily available, depending on one's natural inclinations. Just one tiny example of how easy and simple and real the world becomes once we are awake. Is that sense of easy and simple ever misleading? I'm thinking of MMY, and wondering whether that's why he assumed most everyone in the world would take to TM as soon as they heard about it, that governments would leap at it, and so on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that sense of easy and simple ever misleading? I'm thinking of MMY, and wondering whether that's why he assumed most everyone in the world would take to TM as soon as they heard about it, that governments would leap at it, and so on. are you talking about the process of awakening or the awakened state itself? Just like he [MMY] says, the process of awakening through TM is mechanical, but it does put us through the usual trips and changes, about losing ourselves, sometimes painfully, etc. So it is simple in concept, but I wouldn't describe it as easy from a seeker's standpoint. On the other hand, once we wake up, it *is* easy and simple. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. This is very much in line with the Buddhist approach to enlightenment. One definition I've heard from Buddhist teachers of the state is, Enlightenment is perception without mental modification. *Any* mental modification. I think that one of the things that rings false in some people's reported experiences of enlightenment is that they attempt to make the experiences fit into the descriptions of such experiences they have been fed by their tradition. They *color* the stories of their own personal experiences in such a way that they seem to be more in line with what other members of the organization were told about what such experiences should be like. Or -- another common phenomenon -- they describe their experiences such that it appears they fall into one of the pat descriptions of *stages* of enlightenment -- CC, GC, UC, BC, or whatever the various flavors of experiences are labeled by their tradition. That's one reason I find reports such as Jim's valuable. He rarely, if ever, tries to do this. He just talks about what he experiences, without trying to color it or define it in any way *as* anything; they're just his stories of what is, for him. To bring up Suzanne Segal again, that's an admonition she hammered toward the end of her book -- seeing things as they really are. But she never elaborated on it. Sometimes I think the work of Byron Katie is geared toward seeing things as they really are, unencumbered by preconceptions or fears. Maybe that's one explanation. Preconceptions are always just that -- pre-conceptions. They're what one expects the baby to look like and be like before any actual screwing has taken place. :-) When the baby actually *is* conceived and pops out, it doesn't necessarily look like or act like what was expected. And that's Ok. But some parents have a tendency to try to *make* it into what they expected. The kid's playing in the sandbox, clearly blissed out drawing in the sand, enjoying being an artist, and the parents are already planning its career as a lawyer, because they were told that all enlightenment babies are lawyers. :-) :-) :-) Back in Fiuggi, I knew about half a dozen folks who were having flashes of awakening. At first they were quite happy describing them *as they were*, as 24/7 transcendence, along with whatever else was going on in the foreground of life. Then Maharishi gave a lecture in which he suggested that one of the qualities of CC was X. Within days, all of these people were talking about X. No one had ever mentioned X before, or seemingly even thought about X before, but the moment it was an *expected* component of CC, they added it to their stories of their own personal experiences. In other words, in my opinion, not being stabilized in their experience, they were attempting to *color* it and *make them into* what such experiences were supposed to be like. What was obvious from my point of view was that the joy had gone out of their stories. Before this event, when these people had been talking about what was for them, you could *feel* the energy behind their words, the sense of newness and excitement that they were feeling. The moment they switched to telling stories about what they were supposed to be experiencing, all of that joy went out of the words. It was just people telling stories that had been told to them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
