[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > wrote: > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > effortless > > btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure >

[FairfieldLife] KRSNa flies higher?

2006-03-14 Thread cardemaister
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the foundation for questioning

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SELF-DOUBT AND CYNICISM VS. PROFOUND TRUST "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." -- T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:41 PM, wayback71 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit > > > into the > > > lawsuit against MUM b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. > > If it (pure Consciousness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" effortless > btw); Yes. > the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure > Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > wrote: > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. > > If it (pure

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > > effortless btw); the key poin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > > I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means. > > Here some biological definitions: > > > > Evolution: The long-term pr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on > the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless than > TM according to some here. The meditation *component* of it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First this: > Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques > and belief systems are "best" now. I just wanted to > correct your misstatement of what I've said. Not my involvment, you know very well. > Just a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But an approximation. And as such not bad. > > Agreed. Not bad *at all*. *Especially* as compared > to forms of concentration. But I get the feeling > that some people aren't willing to live with TM's > "effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > First this: > > > Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques > > and belief systems are "best" now. I just wanted to > > correct your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:25 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense > > > > *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect > > > > *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put > > > > it another way, any expectation of effortlessness > > > > that you mi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > wrote: > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. > > If it (pure

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > I could easily have been guilty of the same negligence > > Joel Wysong displayed while watching the guy. I suspect > > he was in the other room medi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 0> > I did say in that in the early stages there may be > > > some very slight effort until the automatic cycle > > > is established. > > > > What if that "automatic cycle" is NEVER established? Does this mean > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > I could easily have been guilty of the same negligence > > > Joel Wysong dis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the foundation for questioning

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman > wrote: > > > > SELF-DOUBT AND CYNICISM VS. PROFOUND TRUST > > "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; > because, if there be one, he must mor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > > effortless btw); the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: > > I don't know Joel, but it's very possible that he's > > like some people here and convinced that he was "not > > the doer" in this whole scenario and thus bears no > > responsibility for it whatsoever. > > Amazing. Barry's *still* getting "not t

[FairfieldLife] Holi and bhang

2006-03-14 Thread SoulQuest7
I just found this website that discusses the uses of bhang (a cannabis drink) in conjunction with a Hindu holiday on Thursday, March 16. I already knew that Shiva was the God of intoxicants, but had never heard of the ritual use of this drug in conjunction with this particular holiday. Here' s a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > wrote: > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > effortless btw); > > Yes. > > > the key point is Transcendental a

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > > PErhaps because they DID screw up, to some extent? > > > > > > What "perhaps"?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > PEr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (n

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a couple of points: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on > > the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortles

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > First this: > > > > > Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniqu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/13/06 11:30 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's when I was there. I took the sidhis in 1977 > from Aug 12 to Oct 7, with block 3 Sept 9-23, the same > time as the governors conference. I can't believe that > MMY was there, though, because no one on the citizens > side of

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > I don't know Joel, but it's very possible that he's > > > like some people here and convinced that he was "not > > > the doer" in this whole scenario and thus bears no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just *think* how many similar tragedies within the > TM movement will get to come out in this lawsuit. > Ya got the suicides on TM courses, ya got the guy > burning himself to death after having been locked > away in a basement room. No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyp

[FairfieldLife] FW: Mr. M + money ....

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: Mr. M + money from a fellow in Germany: After reading this post about Mr. M. and his money, (* down there ) I had a session to look inside and understand what is wrong in the money scheme in the TMO and the Mr. M. I saw him with a huge bulk of money, looking at it and being a

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > > PErhaps because they DID screw up, to some extent? > > > > > > What "perhaps"?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 0> > I did say in that in the early stages there may be > > > some very slight effort until the automatic cycle > > > is established. > > > > What if that "automatic cycle" is NEVER established? Does this mean > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 3/13/06 10:10 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:>> > > > > > > > > H

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > > effortless btw); the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a couple of points: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on > > the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortles

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > I'd start saying bye-bye to MUM if I were you. If they > > lose a multi-million-dollar lawsuit in addition to > > having no students, I'd bet that Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > wrote: > > > > > > ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is "absolutely" > > > ef

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:25 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense > > > > > *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect > > > > > *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > 0> > I did say in that in the early stages there may be > > > > some very slight effort until the automatic cycle > > > > is established. > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ---Effo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: [...] > > People start jumping all over each other, normally- > > mutually-supportive TBs start arguing with each other > > over whose meditation is more effor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Just a couple of points: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree. Actually, I was just tryin

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > I'd start saying bye-bye to MUM if I were you. If they > > > lose a multi-million-dollar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 9:48 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> 2) it would be very sad for Fairfield if MUM went away, don't you >> agree? > > Not really. Might be good for it. Something more "interesting" may take over the university. Fairfield is well established as an eclectic spiritual comm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers > > feeling panicky because they're realizing they > > missed the whole point. > > Or perhaps, they DID ge

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to "liberate" subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that people who live at MUM might actually enjoy the experience? That's why they live there! May heaven save us from self-appointed "liberators." --- In FairfieldLife@yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd start saying bye-by

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to "liberate" subject > peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that people who live at > MUM might actually enjoy the experience? That's why they live there!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > What I'm contending is that only when TM is 100 > > percent effortless is one actually practicing TM. > > So in a given session, I may be practicing TM only

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that "we" know more than "they" do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there are people. Everyone has their own reasons. Instead of talking about people needin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Just a couple of points: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defende

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
The bulk of the people who have chosen to remain in FF, after pretty much having severed their ties to the MIU/MUM way of life are anything but Plain Folks. Following Lady Saints (not that there's anything wrong with that), doing fire yagyas and the like, and the myriad host of other types of spi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers > > > feeling panicky because they're r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 10:51 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that "we" know more than > "they" do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about > why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there are people. > Everyon

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The question is, why are you so desperate to "prove" > TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find something wrong with every single thing Turqoise says. And

[FairfieldLife] 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread Robert Gimbel
I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was discussed by Maharishi in the state of Samadhi.. As the intellect is the function of the mind to discriminate between 'this or that'. Does the intellect settle b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > The question is, why are you so desperate to "prove" > > TM isn't effortless? > > It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend,

[FairfieldLife] White Tantra

2006-03-14 Thread Bhairitu
Happy Holi! For those of you interested in tantra my teacher sent me the URL to this Indian site which has a lot of good information on tantra including links to other sites and lists of books on the subject: www.whitetantra.net Jai Ma, Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 11:31 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Perhaps this will help: If he stopped being such an > arrogant phony and acquired a measure of respect for > accuracy, I would probably find a lot fewer things > wrong with what he says. Byron Katie to the rescue: http://www.thework.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Sure, it's just great, Feste. When are you moving there? :) Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 10:23 AM, feste37 wrote: Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to "liberate" subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that peopleĀ  who live at MUM might actually enjoy the experi

[FairfieldLife] The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > The question is, why are you so desperate to "prove" > > TM isn't effortless? > > It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, > authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
Barry I've read these groups, starting with amt, going back as near as I can remember to the mid 90s, I know you two, and Lawson in his own way, have been at it for a long time. What I don't really understand is why you both choose to remain at it? It seems to me (but what do I know) th

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 11:46 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >>> >>> The question is, why are you so desperate to "prove" >>> TM isn't effortless? >> >> It mi

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that "we" know more than > "they" do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about > why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 12:04 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that > if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond > then you, etc. Kinda reminds me of how I used to pick on my little sister. I knew what her rea

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You might not be interested in taking a writing class and > learning how to really say what you want to say in a very > precise way, maybe that wouldn't suit your style, but you > do seem very chameleonlike in your po

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And the news for those who would go into an orgy of delight if MUM folded is . > . . it ain't gonna happen. For those who live in Fairfield, go take a look at the > new construction going on there. MUM is in a growth

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was discussed by Maharishi in the state of Samadhi.. > As the intellect is the fun

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > The question is, why are you so desperate to "prove" > > > TM isn't effortless? > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Barry > > I've read these groups, starting with amt, going back as near as I > can remember to the mid 90s, I know you two, and Lawson in his own > way, have been at it for a long time. > > What I don't reall

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/14/06 12:04 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that > > if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond > > then yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It isn't just sloppiness by any means, although that's > certainly a factor. The major problem is his deliberate > disregard for accuracy and penchant for intentional > misrepresentation. > Yah, that is what I m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Sorry, it appears the numbers of each article in the brief didn't paste properly, nor did the more readable format. I've emailed Rick the file separately and if he adds it to the files section it may appear in a more palatable version. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars of the brief are true, he should feel VERY responsible and VERY guilty. He added hor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry > but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't > feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. > > If the part

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:11 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If

[FairfieldLife] What's the difference between Shuvender Sem and Dick Cheney?

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Oops--never mind. On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:11 PM, shempmcgur

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
And here I thought the original president of the university was George Wallace, which explained why everyone always wore long flowing white robes. Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: The original president of the University, Dr. Robert Wallace

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which article are you referring to, Shemp? > > Sal Although they didn't copy and paste from the brief to my posting, I am referring to articles 57-63 Articles 57-63 are reproduced here (sorry, without the number

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > Which article are you referring to, Shemp? > > > > Sal > > > Although they didn't copy and paste from the brief to my posting, I > am referr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Thanks. I knew about the rummaging, but not the clapping and waving of hands, or the part about JW fearing for his safety. Quite a revelation. And I agree with your conclusion. Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:20 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTE

[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-03-14 Thread FairfieldLife
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TMO -- the Odd Side/Iowa Complaint -- Butler case.doc Uploaded by : rick_archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Description : Iowa complaint filed b

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
I got a good laugh out of this, especially your comment, "Since the advent of Stapathya Veda the place reminds me of a Madame > Blavatsky convention, a bunch of aged dour looking people." Have you been to Annapurna dining hall recently, Anon? I think you might be surprised at what you find ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > 0> > I did say in that in the early stages there may be > > > > some very slight effort until the automatic cycle > > > > is established. > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry > but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't > feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. > > If the partic

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > And the news for those who would go into an orgy of delight if MUM > folded is . > > . . it ain't gonna happen. For those who live in Fairfield, go t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry > > but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn'

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