Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Unlikely we would get anything out of Willy Tex - he would most likely spend 
the reunion sitting off to himself and mumbling about buddhist stupas. 

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a "go figure" 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

  From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 >




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 

I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a "go figure" 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?
 

 

 Actually, he stole "Go figure" from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 

 

 Some Urban Slang defs of "go figure":
 

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  http://www.urbandictionary.com/favorites.form.php?defid=7367749
 Go figure 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figure&defid=7367749

 A slang phrase used only in the United States of America, short for "go and 
figure that out". It is typically only used in speech, and is an attempt to 
ridicule the previous thing they said. In fact, all it does is indicate that 
the person is both ignorant and stupid.
 

 Go figure 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figure&defid=3672024

 A saying used when something happens that you might have expected, but you 
have absolutely nothing original or intelligent to say. Generally used by 
idiots with IQs below 85, who just want to hear them selves talk, and build 
thier own unfounded egos.
 




 




 

 

 

 

 

 
 









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Richard, I guess I lost track of who got put into Folders. Anyway, in 
revolt, and as a *spiritual* practice LOL, I'm aiming to read EVERY SINGLE FFL 
POST from now on. It seems kind of dumb to me to avoid reading certain posters. 
Except for that bit about taking on someone else's karma...hmmm, it's a 
conundrum. May have to rethink my strategy. Will report later (-:

  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:
 >
  
     turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?   
 >
 Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he 
said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are 
included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is 
scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now 
for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and 
invited us to read his Rama web site.
 >
 
 ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are 
others who feel the same.  And I hope you can be more at peace with your 
emotions about Richard. 
 >
 
 
   
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
     Well said, Sal. 
  
  My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got  
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a  drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-) 
  But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was  
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
  
  After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been  beaten 
into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years.  
  From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his  
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. 
  I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction.  Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a  little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. 
  If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about  it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here  everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. 
  Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck?  Tell me Share, is there 
a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to  the next one, why make a point about it. Every 
time. Every day. 
  Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he  says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we  spend out time if we'd rather not. 
  It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.  
  Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
   From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Go figger! Which I *stole* from Bhairitu...

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a "go figure" 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

Actually, he stole "Go figure" from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 




  From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 >




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a "go figure" 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

Actually, he stole "Go figure" from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 




  From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 >




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, main

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That is the way I figure it, too, Richard. You are the one on here, who never 
lets him escape his past, often quoting contradictory information that he has 
posted, prior to his latest screed. He is both furious, and mentally confused - 
not a good combo. They will have their hands full, at the assisted living 
center.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:
 >
 
   turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?


 >
 Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he 
said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are 
included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is 
scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now 
for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and 
invited us to read his Rama web site.
 >
 ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others 
who feel the same.
 And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.




 >
 

 
 
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 
 
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts 
in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?

>
/Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share 
- //he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless 
they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well 
- maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He 
probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he 
did ask for feedback //and invited us to read his Rama web site./

>
! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are 
others who feel the same.

And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.

>




*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


*/Well said, Sal.
/*
*/
/*
*/My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all 
got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would 
manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy 
Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course.  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice 
he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where 
he went, but not many, and only for a second or two.

/*
*/
/*
*/After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been 
beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so 
many years. /*



*From:* salyavin808 
**
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.


I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try 
simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless 
tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't 
noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening 
them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog 
snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a 
sort of attempt at denial of service.


If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.


Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it 
looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me 
Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I 
see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, 
why make a point about it. Every time. Every day.


Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a 
one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he 
says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have 
the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if 
we'd rather not.


It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.

Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So 
glad I've got brand new tires.

----------------
*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

>


It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing
at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject
of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that
bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
/For the record, this 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ears he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No kidding. That fight would last about two seconds, with Barry crapping 
himself, and insisting he was just joking.  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty 
obvious who'd be "beaten into a bloody pulp"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 >
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 >
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 >
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 >
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 >
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 >
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 >
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 
 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, I was amazed too, after all the talk Barry does, about being so attractive 
in his old age. He looks like a bum, who dumpster dives for breakfast. And this 
picture is about a year old...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

 I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see 
bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really 
funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her 
picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he 
would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was 
thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with 
man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but 
because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought 
it appropriate to give it a mention here.
 

 

 
 

 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 

I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a "go figure" 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?
 

 
 From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

 I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see 
bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really 
funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her 
picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he 
would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was 
thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with 
man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but 
because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought 
it appropriate to give it a mention here.
 

 

 
 

 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[nablusoss1008]

 A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty 
obvious who'd be "beaten into a bloody pulp"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 >
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 >
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 >
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 >
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 >
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 >
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 >
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 
 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on 
FFL is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like 
Richard a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or "mean" vibe 
from him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of 
him as my "shadow" to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can 
be used to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go 
figger.

 

 PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you 
and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (:
 

 Eh? I'm not at odds with him, I've often tried to engage him but he just gets 
aggressive. I don't understand it so I just ignore. People are perfectly 
entitled to dislike me if they want, I don't mind in the slightest. It's 
probably just because I don't share his beliefs or something trivial.
 

 But yes, these web alliances can run deep and it can be fascinating when 
someone reveals another side to them and you suddenly have to re-evaluate them. 
I'm sure if we all met face-to-face it would be different, forming opinions on 
someone based just on their religious predilections or otherwise is going about 
life in a different way to normal and is bound to cause fractiousness. That's 
life in the wild web for ya!
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 >
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 >
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 >
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 >
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 >
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 >
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 >
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 




 
 







 



 
 








 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

sal, sal, God Bless You. 

 Yes, let me apologize again, that I find your posts lacking in the 
"interesting" department.  
 

 Remember, you're the guy who has expressed the sentiment that youtube, and the 
internet in general should be edited appropriately according to what you 
consider to be relevant.
 

 Go figure.
 

 But, but, Barry, "bringing a lot to the place?"
 

 I guess if you consider dumping on people on a daily basis as bringing "a lot 
to thee place", you are right.
 

 But, God Bless You, sal,  God bless ya.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.

 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
>

*/Well said, Sal.
/*
*/
/*
*/My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all 
got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would 
manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy 
Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course.  :-)/*

>
How much would you be willing to wager?
>/*
*/
*/But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice 
he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where 
he went, but not many, and only for a second or two.

/*

>
How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
>

*/
/*
*/After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been 
beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so 
many years. /*

>
So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go 
figure.

>
/*
*/



*From:* salyavin808 
**
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.


I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try 
simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless 
tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't 
noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening 
them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog 
snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a 
sort of attempt at denial of service.


If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.


Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it 
looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me 
Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I 
see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, 
why make a point about it. Every time. Every day.


Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a 
one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he 
says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have 
the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if 
we'd rather not.


It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.

Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So 
glad I've got brand new tires.

----------------
*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

>


It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing
at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject
of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that
bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
/For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me
for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the
internet - that's his game.

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never
accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./
>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, 
<mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I
really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens.
Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the
people doing it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.

>
On 11/22/2014 1:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction.

>
/So, it's all about "Willytex" - but do you have to be so mean?//
//
//You can call me anything you want, if that helps you dehumanize me for 
the purpose of starting a dialog. But, just for the record, my alias is 
Pundit Sir and my name is Richard. /

>
Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get 
endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you 
haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without 
opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little 
dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his 
plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.

>
/You sound scared, but maybe it's just your prejudice that I'm 
addressing. Now that I've got your attention, why do you come across as 
prejudiced and bigoted?/

>
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.

>
/Non sequitur./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on FFL 
is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like Richard 
a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or "mean" vibe from 
him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of him as 
my "shadow" to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can be used 
to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go figger.

PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you 
and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (-:

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 >



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




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[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?! And fyi, I 
would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the 
same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
  From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 >



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




  

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[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 

 From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a "FFL Reunion," in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
  From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 >



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

>
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Cephus is very much *not* just setting up straw men. He has been very active 
for many years on atheist chat groups, where one commonly sees *every single 
one* of the dumb behaviors he lists being demonstrated by idiotic Chrisschuns 
who descend on such groups to try to "convert the heathens." *Out of context*, 
his article may seem to be a straw man argument, but if you had spent any time 
on such forums, you would know how spot-on his descriptions of common 
anti-atheist rhetoric are. 

As for the distinction between how a modern-day British person might feel about 
religion vs. how Americans might feel, there is a grain of truth in what you 
say, but only a grain. Modern-day British Catholics seem just as insane to me 
as Catholics in other parts of the world, for example. 

I think you're cherry-picking "arguers for the existence of God" to make it 
appear as if the ones you LIKE are more common than they are. I could do the 
same thing, quoting Christians I actually LIKE such as Bruce Cockburn or G.K. 
("Seriousness is not a virtue") Chesterton. But they're exceptions. You are not 
likely to find their equals among the many people trying to sell their God on 
the Internet. Almost by definition, anyone zealous enough to try to *convert* 
someone else to a belief in God has left reason and rationality behind and is 
working from a platform of elitism and emotion. (IMO, of course.) 

My idea of a *civilized* discussion about the existence of God would be as 
follows:- Person 1: "I believe God exists."- Person 2: "I believe that no such 
being as God exists."- Person 1: "OK, nice talking to you."- Person 2: "Yup. 
See you round."
That's it. It's about BELIEF, so there is really nothing more to be said, or 
any point in trying.
As for your speculations about some trying event in my past w.r.t. religion, 
Bzt, thanks for playing, but you're wrong. I was never raised religious, 
and never spent much time around anyone religious (other than TM Neo-Hindus). 
For that matter, I've never spent any time around atheists, either, because as 
I suggest above I don't see any point in arguing about something that is purely 
a matter of belief and that can never be resolved. 

What I'm "on about" is a set of very common behaviors one tends to see on the 
Internet among those who feel the need to push their God agendas on others. You 
are probably correct that when I rail against such people I may be ignoring the 
1% (or fewer) believers who actually have some intelligence, but so be it. It's 
the 99% I'm talking about, and to. If you don't consider yourself part of them, 
just don't read my stuff. 

  From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
  
    This "Cephus" is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten "statements" that Cephus 
castigates.One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and 
myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would 
that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big 
- indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up 
images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into 
current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To 
Barry the mention of "religion" triggers memories of some unresolved trauma 
from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to 
me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection.Here's Dawkins/Williams 
in civilized debate . . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...


10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists
October 9, 2013by Cephus


Asatheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd thingsthat 
are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussionthat leave us 
rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended so much forthe atheist, b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I mean, you'd like to think that you don't have to work so hard to keep your 
belongings safe, but it's such a hassle and expense to replace car glass. 

 Kinda like that ebola thing, I am vigilant not to get caught up in all the 
hype about the "announcement".
 

 I am glad though, that the weather has turned decidedly cooler, and that the 
holiday is approaching.
 

 What has become worrisome, is not so much what might happen in Ferguson, but 
rather the increase in random violence in the form of shootings.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to 
leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, 
at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find 
myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation 
significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always 
harder at this time of year.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of 
our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and 
other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby.
 

 I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
 

 I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
 

 A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Thanks Share.
 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 8:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.


Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is 
probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well 
enough to know he loves a good tease!


*/Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-)/*

Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on 
air" but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that 
it isn't working?


Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to 
think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and 
needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just 
speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply 
gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to 
the beach!


*/It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely 
enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), 
it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor 
terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of 
weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the 
only person here.

/*
*/
/*
*/But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)/*

>
/We were talking about you not being able to get a date on Saturday 
night and why you're sending messages to us, instead of having a fun 
social life at your favorite pub. /

>



*From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

>
On 11/21/2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is 
probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well 
enough to know he loves a good tease!

>
/You just wasted a chance to post a critical comment about Barry's 
claims of witnessing human levitation. So you and Barry have both been 
discredited - all that talk about science was just bullshit - you two 
are in fact, the True Believer//s. Go figure./

>
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on 
air" but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that 
it isn't working?

>
/Non sequitur./
>
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to 
think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and 
needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just 
speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply 
gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to 
the beach!

>
/Non sequitur./
>




*From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to 
leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, 
at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find 
myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation 
significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always 
harder at this time of year.

  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of 
our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and 
other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby.
I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Thanks Share.
I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of 
which we've been a part of.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pret

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
 From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
  
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
  
 >
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 >
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at 
the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that 
joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, 
but you haven't got it yet.



>
/For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for 
the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.


The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - 
that's his game.


Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished 
a damn thing, so far as I can tell./

>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of our 
customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and other 
lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby. 

 I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
 

 I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
 

 A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Thanks Share.
 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 7:09 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

>
/Apparently you just don't understand Barry - this is what he wants; all 
the attention. If nobody responded to his messages, he would probably 
get even more depressed.


He probably gets a good laugh seeing everyone piling on - that's how he 
thinks he is winning - it's all about winning, Share. //We just want to 
make Barry happy./


/Besides, he doesn't read our posts anyway, remember?/
>



*From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Thanks Share.
I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of 
which we've been a part of.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...












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#d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;ma

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/21/2014 6:46 AM, steve.sundur wrote:
>


or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.


>
/The "Last Incarnation f Lord Vishnu" killed himself. Something was 
seriously broken in his life./

>


I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*


  10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists
  


October 9, 2013
by Cephus 


Say Something Stupid 



As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd 
things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or 
discussion that leave us rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended 
so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to 
understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of 
the validity of their arguments.  Maybe that’s okay with them, but 
maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the 
following statements actually are.


It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a 
mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear 
themselves talk or see themselves type.


And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see 
routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why.


10. /*I’ll pray for you…* / This is totally and completely useless. 
 If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose 
it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a 
final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of 
other arguments.  It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!”  It 
appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere.  We don’t want you to 
pray for us, we want you to  be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you 
should spend more time worrying about that.


9. /*The Bible says… * /We don’t care what the Bible says.  In fact, 
we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, 
but many other religious texts as well.  Often, that’s why we’re 
atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible 
and think about what it actually says.  We don’t limit our knowledge 
to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where 
it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion.  We’ve 
engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost 
certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy.  Don’t pretend 
we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are.


8. /*This website says… * /This is probably even worse than the 
previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re 
not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it 
demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim 
off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point 
in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument 
well enough to present your own take on it.  I don’t care what William 
Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating 
you.  Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying 
because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it.


7. /*You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… * /No I can’t, it’s not my job 
to do so.  It’s yours.  You’re the one claiming that God is real, it 
rests solely on your shoulders to prove it.  After all, you can’t 
prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are 
right and Krishna does?  You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does 
that make them real?  The burden of proof is always on the individual 
who makes the positive claim.  Most atheists do not claim God does not 
exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of 
corroboratory evidence.


6. /*You really believe in God, but… * /Theists make this statement to 
make themselves feel better, it has no critical validity.  It is a 
form of the argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not 
because there’s evidence that it’s so, but because the individual 
can’t come up with a better argument.  You don’t wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Share. 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 














 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh, thanks Share.   

 I tried to get over it, but couldn't.
 

 Frail me. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he 
was probably right that "Barry is probably chuckling to himself..." I thanked 
him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned 
about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about 
"lines on air" meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it 
for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I 
think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I 
could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies.

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking 
about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for 
what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he 
was probably right that "Barry is probably chuckling to himself..." I thanked 
him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned 
about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about 
"lines on air" meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it 
for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I 
think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I 
could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies.
  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep. We are yawning in anticipation.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.
 

 Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving 
a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 
hours. Then he's going to continue to play his "wounded bear" act for those who 
believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in 
a way to show we have some self respect.

 










 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.
 

 Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving 
a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 
hours. Then he's going to continue to play his "wounded bear" act for those who 
believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in 
a way to show we have some self respect.

 










 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[nablusoss1008]

 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating 
the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame.  

 I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well 
know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice 
sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the 
discourse I enjoy here. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.
 

 
 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 
 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating 
the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame.  

 I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well 
know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice 
sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the 
discourse I enjoy here. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.

  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish 
and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles 
people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and 
kind of creepy. 
He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Or vice versa.

:-)
  From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many 
identities.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? 
 

 No I don't, I get endless crap from people on here but it doesn't even 
remotely bother me. Why would it? It's just someone's opinion and generally 
that of people who have indicated they'd rather just not think about things. 
Seems like poor quality behaviour on a discussion group but what can we do? I'm 
ever the optimist and enjoy the fact that most posts aren't worth opening as it 
means I don't feel I have to respond. You don't either.
 

 Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him 
sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 Are you saying that you get on with everyone and that they all have a glowing 
opinion of your attributes?
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 

 Six of one and half a dozen of the other. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many identities.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, I agree, Ann - There are a lot of people here I enjoy engaging with, and 
sharing thoughts. To have to shout over the din occasionally, to prevent Barry 
from pissing on the floor again, is par for the course. Bottoms up!!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You 
are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, 
rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it 
like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to 
engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had "words" 
with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of 
showing bawee "compassion" when he spends every single post mocking and lying 
about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite 
people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing 
that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of 
self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. 
bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is 
gonna fix him.
 

 
 












 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You 
are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, 
rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it 
like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to 
engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had "words" 
with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of 
showing bawee "compassion" when he spends every single post mocking and lying 
about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite 
people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing 
that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of 
self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. 
bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is 
gonna fix him.
 

 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess I missed something here, and it is a bit telling I think. 

 This thing about a "good tease".
 

 I suppose you are in denial about how a "good tease" leads to abuse in many 
cases.
 

 And sorry to say, that is akin to what we see in many of Barry's comments.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
 


 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

 

 But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Beautiful Sal, 

 I've tried to read your postings of late, but they've been so dadgummed 
boring, I can't get past the first sentence.
 

 But, thanks for your concern about home life.
 

 Going pretty well.
 

 Same goes for the business side of things.
 

 I have noticed that you seem to regularly slink off to the pub.
 

 I guess for some solice.
 

 Birds of a feather, I suppose.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
 


 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

 

 But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

 

 I don't know either, you just got me thinking about last weekend when I was 
sitting on a bench by the sea in a T-shirt thinking how nice it was in the sun. 
And I've just seen the weather for this weekend and it's the same! Got a nice 
day out planned too. 
 

 Normally I'm stocking up on mince pies about now but it's still cream tea 
weather! This global warming may be ultimately bad news but it helps your 
coffee stay warmer for longer.  Stop and smell the roses that's what I say.
 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

  From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be "line on air" but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A good question Share. 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
   
    My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yea, it is funny.  And Barry's got this "talking points" thing going on, about 
how atheists, (excuse me, non theists) should go about responding to believers. 

 I think it went on for, like, five paragraphs.
 

 Yikes!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess, he actually refers to himself as a "non theist".  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to "believers", with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the "rant".
 

 He seems to have a self imposed "rant" quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the "rant" by heart, especially the "moral of the 
rant" 
 

 You got it Steve. I mean, who exactly are the Christians in this group that 
bawee and Salyavin are going on endlessly about? It'l like they're all at a 
children's book convention and they're up on their respective soap boxes 
sermonizing, pontificating at all the authors about the uselessness of reading 
comic books and how stupid comic book readers are. I mean, get a grip, they're 
not even preaching to the right audience. I wonder when they'll catch on. It's 
fun to watch though.
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess, he actually refers to himself as a "non theist".  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to "believers", with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the "rant".
 

 He seems to have a self imposed "rant" quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the "rant" by heart, especially the "moral of the 
rant" 
 

 You got it Steve. I mean, who exactly are the Christians in this group that 
bawee and Salyavin are going on endlessly about? It'l like they're all at a 
children's book convention and they're up on their respective soap boxes 
sermonizing, pontificating at all the authors about the uselessness of reading 
comic books and how stupid comic book readers are. I mean, get a grip, they're 
not even preaching to the right audience. I wonder when they'll catch on. It's 
fun to watch though.
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess, he actually refers to himself as a "non theist".  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to "believers", with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the "rant".
 

 He seems to have a self imposed "rant" quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the "rant" by heart, especially the "moral of the 
rant" 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/27/2014 8:10 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this "New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers", but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:


 >
 These are obviously just planted messages from Barry in order to get angry 
responses - typical trollish stuff. 
 
 In Barry's case, it's interesting because everyone knows he believes in 
Buddhas, karma and reincarnation. But, he doesn't want to talk about it because 
it's so confusing. 
 
 We need to keep it real simple for Barry - things are either black or white; 
there are no shades of grey with Barry. He is not very  subtle or nuanced. 
 
 He probably doesn't even realize that a belief in free-will is opposed to a 
belief in karma. Maybe he is actually thinking he has complete control over his 
circumstances and that he is not affected by his past or present actions. 
 
 Maybe Barry got confused when he read about Sam Harris and his Tibetan 
Buddhist teacher. 
 
 Go figure.
 >
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 
 
 Go for it.
 
 
 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 
 
 What do we call it?  "The New Atheism, by Barry W"
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 
 
 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 
 
 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/";
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/27/2014 8:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this "New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers", but I guess it 
hi-lights the dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd 
think this manifesto would be better placed on an atheist site (of 
which I am sure there are plenty), but he could run into a little 
trouble if they check his bona fides.  Actually, I guess that explains 
it.  (-:



>
/These are obviously just planted messages from Barry in order to get 
angry responses - typical trollish stuff. //

//
//In Barry's case, it's interesting because everyone knows he believes 
in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation. //But, he doesn't want to talk 
about it because it's so confusing. //

//
//We need to keep it real simple for Barry - things are either black or 
white; there are no shades of grey with Barry. He is not very  subtle or 
nuanced.


He probably doesn't even realize that a belief in free-will is opposed 
to a belief in karma. //Maybe he is actually thinking he has complete 
control over his circumstances and that he is not affected by his past 
or present actions.


Maybe Barry got confused when he read about Sam Harris and his Tibetan 
Buddhist teacher. //

//
//Go figure./
>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry.

Go for it.

Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.

What do we call it?  "The New Atheism, by Barry W"



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics 
that is rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand 
for it. The author makes many good points, but among my favorites are 
the following, in which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:


How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever 
who considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens 
likened it to the rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about 
in a city’s sewers, ready to spring forth on us when we have forgotten 
about the pestilence they carry. But we can take action to ensure that 
we do not unwittingly favor religion’s continuation by taking stances, 
both public and private. (I wrote about this previously for Salon here 
.) 
Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one 
we can talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, 
in the case of Islam, concern for our physical safety.


This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids 
Congress from establishing an official religion and protects free 
speech – including speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If 
we disbelieve what religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so 
openly, and in mixed company, pointing out that no rational person 
could believe it or accept it as true and valid, were it not for 
indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of reason, fear, or 
simple feeblemindedness.


We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate 
faith. A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a 
witch doctor – all traffic in gullibility, human misery and 
vulnerability, and none can prove the efficacy of their ministrations. 
We must point out the inherent dangerousness of faith itself – of 
believing things to be true without evidence. The British poet Perce 
Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put it bluntly: “God is an 
hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the /onus 
probandi/” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made 
on the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.


Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the 
issue, apologists for religions are 




image 







Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 
 

Major religions all contain macabre fables, explicit injunctions for 
vile behavior no civilzed person should accept


View on www.salon.com 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

[Emily Reyn]

Another frickin' reason to be grateful...



>
> From: authfriend 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:39 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing
> 
>
>  
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
>> Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
>> that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
>> for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
>> discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
>> Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
>> from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
>> efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
>> face)?
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia
>
>Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:
>
>"The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes of 
>his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
>boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
>details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
>bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, as 
>well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
>entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
>entries for the diary.'"
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

[Bob Price]

Judy,

This proves, once again, that you truly can't make some things up (smiley face).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV3u6kS2mmE





From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:39:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

> Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
> that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
> for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
> discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
> Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
> from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
> efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
> face)?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia

Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:

"The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes of 
his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, as 
well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
entries for the diary.'"


   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by Ann Coulter

[Emily Reyn]

http://www.anncoulter.com/


Ann Coulter?  Please...just post Rush Limbaugh and be done with it.

This is great by the wayBill Maher and Ann Coulter...she accuses him of  
"misogyny"LOL on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNBkc3D-VTg&feature=related

 


>
> From: whynotnow7 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:03 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by Ann Coulter
> 
>
>  
>Yep.
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>> >
>> > The current crop of Republicans have been brilliant through
>> > their use of the media, convincing many of us that the
>> > problem is one of money, that we don't have enough wealth
>> > in this great country to care for those who need it. 
>> > 
>> > Every time I hear one of those creeps talk about Social
>> > Security that I have paid into all of my working life as
>> > "an entitlement program", I feel like smacking them. How
>> > heartless and manipulative. Greedy bastards.
>> 
>> Hell, that's what Obama calls it too, especially when
>> he's talking about "reforming" it.
>> 
>> 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > As Reagan explains a little farther in his autobiography: He did accept 
>> > > tax hikes "in return for (the Democrats) agreement to cut spending by 
>> > > $280 billion," but, Reagan continues, "the Democrats reneged on their 
>> > > pledge and we never got those cuts." 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > http://www.anncoulter.com/
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
> 
>
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by Ann Coulter

[Bhairitu]

Apparently the Republicans think the majority of the country is a bunch 
of mindless dolts who believe anything you tell them, especially if you 
wear a suit.

For those with Netflix WI be sure to watch "Casino Jack" with Kevin 
Spacey.  It's a biopic about Jack Abramoff, who now out of prison 
threatens to spill the beans about corruption in DC.  I finally got 
around to watching it last night and highly recommend it.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Casino_Jack/70122321


On 11/27/2011 09:28 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> The current crop of Republicans have been brilliant through their use of the 
> media, convincing many of us that the problem is one of money, that we don't 
> have enough wealth in this great country to care for those who need it.
>
> Every time I hear one of those creeps talk about Social Security that I have 
> paid into all of my working life as "an entitlement program", I feel like 
> smacking them. How heartless and manipulative. Greedy bastards.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>> As Reagan explains a little farther in his autobiography: He did accept tax 
>> hikes "in return for (the Democrats) agreement to cut spending by $280 
>> billion," but, Reagan continues, "the Democrats reneged on their pledge and 
>> we never got those cuts."
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.anncoulter.com/
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Article on the Economy

[Bhairitu]

Nelson wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> How do you know when Ben Bernanke is lying?  When his mouth moves.
>>
>> Yeah, I know, old joke (usually applied elsewhere).  And I'm sure most 
>> FFLians could care less about the economy as being concerned about it 
>> would make them look "unenlightened" in their quest to dissect 
>> enlightenment.   After all they're not "attached" to economic issues 
>> anyway.   That is until the pink slip shows up or their business fails 
>> or the contracts dry up.
>>
>> Yesterday my relatives held a pre-Mother's Day combination birthday 
>> catch up get together.  Though they live in the area I don't hear from 
>> them that often as they are "too busy" which is just another way of 
>> saying they "can't keep up with things like they used to."  I bet many 
>> of you have similar experiences with relatives and friends.
>>
>> Interesting was the conversation about neighbors being foreclosed out of 
>> their homes.  Their friends businesses failing and even one family 
>> member admitting that if the line he represents doesn't win in the 
>> industry he'll be out of work in 3 months.  Other family members are a 
>> little less open and more cryptic about their financial lives.  Some are 
>> embarrassed that the family "flake" (me) wound up the most financially 
>> secure (at least for the time being).  I always like to joke that is 
>> because "I was foolish enough to listen to the conspiracy theorists."
>>
>> The problem is they tend to believe the mainstream press on such issues 
>> and don't understand how often our leaders lie about the economy in an 
>> effort to bolster or con you into buying some of their worthless stock 
>> or even savings bonds (currently paying 0.0% interest).   If they only 
>> dug deeper or at least made economics a hobby (rather than frigging 
>> sports which are a big waste of time) they would realize that the arrow 
>> has been shot and nothing will deflect it from its trajectory which is 
>> the economic collapse of civilization.  The economy won't rebound by the 
>> end of the year and these small waves in the stock market mean nothing.  
>> We're in it for the long haul because the "adults" went away and let a 
>> bunch of children run the show.  And the kids are probably more 
>> interested in the current fad of LaCrosse than reviving the economy or 
>> changing the whole system to one that suits everyone rather than the 1% 
>> who rape and pillage it.
>>
>> So here is a good article along the same lines from a business owner who 
>> believes as I do.  Wake up and smell the roses or is it the garbage pails?
>>
>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/196007
>>
>> 
> A lot of the posts put me in mind of the old line of Nero fiddling with 
> himself while Rome burned (or something like that).
>   Some sites are all conspiracy theory people but here, the majority seem to 
> believe 9-11 was foreign terrorists.
>   A lot of people are not running programs that can translate current events 
> into a problem.  N

And this morning the President of Pakistan said on TV that Osama has 
been dead since about 2002.   I had also heard this from people with 
connections to military intelligence that he was killed during the 
battle of Torah Bora and not enough of him remained to confirm the kill 
to the public.  We've been lied to all along and many American kids 
killed in the process and the country put into a debt it may never 
recover from.  All to line the pockets of the military industrial 
complex and the banksters.  May they all enjoy their eternity in hell.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: good article on Rev Right

[Angela Mailander]

I am, indeed, in fact, for fuccing sure, and without a
doubt clueless in your mind, Judy; I know it and
accept it completely, albeit unrepentantly.  So you
can save yourself the trouble (and the posts) of
pointing that out, though you may feel a need to
remind yourself and others of the fact.  I, for one,
look forward to your insults because even if you read
me to find fault, you do read me.  I am flattered
flatter than a flounder.

As for your notion that the evidence being in Russian
(and in Chinese) is "con-V-nient," I disagree
completely.  It is decidedly inconvenient for me, as
I'd love to show it to you.  The Russian scientist who
presented the evidence that the SAARS was indeed a
man-made virus referred to the evidence that the AIDS
virus was man-made also.  My university in China,
Jiangsu University of Science and Technology, had
research faculty who were able to assess that
evidence--I would not have been without their help
since I am not an expert in the relevant science.  

Order of magnitude is not exactly an argument against
the conspiracy status of the AIDS virus. 
Depopulation, moreover, may be necessary to save
humanity for all I know.  So in all my
conspiracy-theorizing, I do not, unlike most
conspiracy theorists, make a judgment of evil.  For
one thing, such a judgment would cloud the clarity of
my research efforts.  

Your mind seems clouded in that way, as the judgment
of evil is implicit in your phrase "order of
magnitude" and in your characterization of
"unthinkable." That is at the heart of my statement
that the willing suspension of disbelief is as
necessary for the  researcher as it is for the reader
of fiction.  I fault the Rev Wright for not suspending
his judgment of evil also.  

When it comes to understanding anything, "unthinkable"
is a luxury we cannot afford.  


--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and the Audacity of
> Truth
> > By Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III
> > t r u t h o u t | Perspective
> > 
> > Saturday 22 March 2008
> > 
> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032208F.shtml
> > 
> > Leon doesn't address the AIDS issue very directly
> but
> > he does give it a historical context that may
> point
> > even a Judy to at least entertain the possibility
> of a
> > conspiracy, as the historical context he mentions
> > certainly was one and implicitly acknowledged as
> such
> > by Prez Clinton.
> 
> I know about Tuskegee, Angela. Utterly contemptible,
> but several orders of magnitude less unthinkable
> than
> that the government would create the AIDS virus and 
> deliberately infect blacks with it in order to get
> rid of them.
> 
> > I doubt that Judy has actually considered the
> evidence
> > fully, especially since a) she is completely
> unwilling
> > to suspend disbelief (which is as hard to suspend
> as
> > belief is)
> 
> You're clueless on both scores, Angela.
> 
>  and b) a lot of that evidence is not
> > available in English.
> 
> Ah, yes, the "not available in English" dodge.
> How con-V-nient.
> 
> I don't disagree with anything else Leon points
> out, however (and I was already aware of
> everything in our history that he mentions).
> 
> 
> 
>   There is, however, evidence
> > and, moreover, there is excellent evidence in
> Russian
> > that the SARS virus was a similar "experiment."  
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article on autism-mercury

[Sal Sunshine]

Which pretty much had little or no effect.  People were medicating themselves back then, just self-medicating, using cigarettes and alcohol.  A lot of it got swept under the carpet, eg, often times the most "pious"  and upstanding had the worst alcohol/domestic problems. And nobody was talking about depression or any other mental conditions.

We've come a long way.  Drugs are now grossly over-prescribed, but that's not the drugs' fault.  Many work and have saved lives.  But the insurance companies and some doctors prefer to wait until people get sick rather than encouraging prevention.

Sal


On Jun 16, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote:

 50 years ago people went to their Church or talked to a friend or 
 counsellor when they got depressed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article on autism-mercury

[Sal Sunshine]

Supposedly hand-washing has saved more lives than all the antibiotics in the world.  And every other industrialized nation has banned mercury/thimerosal except the US.  Denial just doesn't cut it.

Sal


On Jun 16, 2005, at 2:15 PM, easyone200 wrote:

 How 
 about those terrible antibiotics? How many millions did they save??