Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Thank you, Hideyo Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Wise words, Marylyn... Wise words... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp
I also treat with Advantage only when needed. When I brought my new kitten into my home last year she had fleas. I started my adult cats on Advantage, and after she was old enough, I treated everyone with Advantage for two months. This took care of the fleas. My cats are 100% indoors though. Laurie, I wish you the best with your furbaby. I hope her fever comes under control. Gina Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Laurie, First, thanks for taking in an older cat that needed you, I wish there were more folks that did.. Fever of unknown origin is a tough one, but I do agree w/ the other post about Revolution. It's not really very good for fleas, and I have seen lots of negative medical reactions to it. Skin issues (huge sores developing on contact area, especially white cats or Siamese flamepoints) and neurological problems due the ivermectin in it. For some reason, many vets recommend it due to the fact that it prevents heartworms, but heartworms in cats is not very common. It can happen, but it's not very common. And if kitty is kept inside, chances of her getting bitten by a mosquito is even less. I would use Advantage for fleas, but for my personal cats I only treat them every year or so, for 2 months straight, then no treatment for quite awhile since they are 100% inside. make sense? Good luck, please keep us posted on her progress. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From:laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:24PM Subject: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with hightemp Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5weeks ago. She has had a temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June26). Her blood work this week indicates she has a low white blood count and isalso anemic. She has no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and isstill interested in food. We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after7 days off. The interferon was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day hertemp was normal). Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. Shegot fluids Tuesday and today (Thursday). We are also giving her feline transfer factor.She was on Clavamox for about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about16 days now) when her temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and startedan anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she will take for 3 days. She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for.Impeccable manners. Talks and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyonehas suggestions about why the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC,we would be grateful. Thanks! ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. Shereacted with fur on end June 23. Laurie Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Dear Caroline~~ What a great story about little Monkee and his excitement about getting raw chicken livers! All over the kitchen is right! Too funny! Yuck bigtime! And I know exactly what you mean by getting weak in the knees--although instead of cutting up chicken livers, which are pretty icky anyway you look at them raw, let's be realistic--except I did when my favorite vet ever, Dr. Berglund (since retired, darnit, although sometimes he'll fill in for someone, yay!) asked me if I'd like to watch an operation on a big lab. Of course I said yes and about 1/3rd of the way through the operation his head tech Linda said, You're doing really well. We've had people just slide right down the wall in a dead faint. Then something was said about the blood THAT I WAS LOOKING RIGHT AT and I got a little weak in the knees myself. But I didn't fall down and I was there for the entire op. You're a goood catmommy to little Monkee, Caroline. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday. I was having a lot of trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week about Monkee's anemia situation. She said that Monkee's has a really strong life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work. I asked about reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's. I asked if she could tell if he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those. She said his regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she couldn't tell from the blood results. However, she told me if the anemia is brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually nonregenerative (and usually irreversible). I said, I guess that is why Dr. Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the only way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with the RBC, right? Dr. Maier said yes. I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going on. I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need things explained to me. And it's not that I am dumb, it's just that this is my first FelV+ cat- and unlike her, I haven't been through this (sadly) a million times with other FelV+ cats. Also, when I am sitting there crying my eyes out at what she is saying to me, I really need her to slow down and talk to me like I am a dumb baby! So, I am kind of having an issue with that right now. Dr. Maier said that I can call her anytime to bounce ideas off of her or ask for clarification about something so I thought that was very refreshing. I have also put a call into Monkee's original Vet, Dr. Jones at the Cat Clinic of Louisville- for him to call me to discuss us returning to him for primary care since Monkee's main problem now is anemia and not cancer. I haven't heard from him yet. But his office is only 5 minutes away, so the stress on Monkee is decreased. Plus, he only treats cats and so the stress of the sound of dogs barking is also eliminated for Monkee. Dr. Jones just has a really good bedside manner that I think Monkee and I both really need right now. Dr. Maier suggested that I feed Monkee raw, lean hamburger meat and chicken livers to help his anemia. I was shocked because I am a vegetarian so I NEVER buy meat, much less handle it, but I had to suppress my disgust and do it for Monkee. Our first foray into this realm was traumatic- for me. The chicken livers really freaked me out. When I was cutting them up the first time, my legs got weak and my knees felt like they might buckle, but Monkee was sitting on the floor looking up at me licking his chops, so I had to pull through, so as not to faint and fall on top of him Needless to say, he LOVES it! I think I gave him too much last night- probably because I was losing my mind while cutting everything up- and I was worried that I overdid it and he couldn't eat it all, but he cleared his plate! The same this morning. It's hilarious to watch him eat the livers because, even though I have been coating the place with paper towels, he will pick up a piece and shake his head around to help break it up (like a dog) and he so he gets blood and liver juice (yuck) everywhere! I swear he's doing it just to freak me out! But he is so happy getting raw food, I think that, in and of itself, is
RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma
Hi Cassandra, I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies. I understand the grief you are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of taking them in. But...how old are the babies? Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while in your care. But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them. When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age. At about the three week mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up. (Plus they still got the bottle.) My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol But, at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in the bottle. I think at about eight weeks. Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door. Is there someone who can help you feed the babies while you are at work? By the way, our bottle babies are still with us. Tigger and Taylor will be 15 years old October 1st. :) Gina Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra -- This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical advice to give, never having had young kittens. But if you can make this work it sounds like a chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total keeper, BTW!!) to continue the good work you started with your angel kitties. These new ones wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW, don't think of it that way. Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and Koda have something to do with finding these new babies to save. This must be so frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously can't wait till the kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come to harm, but at the same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they think they and their kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're captured. Is there anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens during the day until their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there maybe a foster person who would give you liberal visitation rights until the kittens are older. It also seems to me that the momcat might be more tameable if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing. Is there a way you could trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her instincts seem to be when confined? Maybe if she/they were confined outside, rather than go right from barn to house, it would be less of a shock? (I'm just throwing this stuff out as it occurs to me, sorry! Hope some of it is relevant!) Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not even want to live with us. If she abandons her babies by being moved here (I would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I don't know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work mon-fri, 8 hours a day. We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the city. It is possible to come home at lunch time, but that gives us only 10-15 mins to feed the babies. How often do babies need to eat? Isn't it every couple of hours? And how long do they need to eat that frequently. I could probably take a few days off work to look after them, but do they need to eat that frequently for a whole 4 weeks? I really know nothing about looking after baby kittens. I just don't want to do more harm than good here. Cassandra This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma
Cassandra, I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in (before I emailed the one below.) I understand your feelings and there will be those who need you out there when you are ready. Take your time. Take care, Gina Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cassandra, I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies. I understand the grief you are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of taking them in. But...how old are the babies? Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while in your care. But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them. When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age. At about the three week mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up. (Plus they still got the bottle.) My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol But, at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in the bottle. I think at about eight weeks. Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door. Is there someone who can help you feed the babies while you are at work? By the way, our bottle babies are still with us. Tigger and Taylor will be 15 years old October 1st. :) Gina Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra -- This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical advice to give, never having had young kittens. But if you can make this work it sounds like a chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total keeper, BTW!!) to continue the good work you started with your angel kitties. These new ones wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW, don't think of it that way. Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and Koda have something to do with finding these new babies to save. This must be so frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously can't wait till the kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come to harm, but at the same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they think they and their kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're captured. Is there anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens during the day until their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there maybe a foster person who would give you liberal visitation rights until the kittens are older. It also seems to me that the momcat might be more tameable if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing. Is there a way you could trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her instincts seem to be when confined? Maybe if she/they were confined outside, rather than go right from barn to house, it would be less of a shock? (I'm just throwing this stuff out as it occurs to me, sorry! Hope some of it is relevant!) Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not even want to live with us. If she abandons her babies by being moved here (I would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I don't know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work mon-fri, 8 hours a day. We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the city. It is possible to come home at lunch time, but that gives us only 10-15 mins to feed the babies. How often do babies need to eat? Isn't it every couple of hours? And how long do they need to eat that frequently. I could probably take a few days off work to look after them, but do they need to eat that frequently for a whole 4 weeks? I really know nothing about looking after baby kittens. I just don't want to do more harm than good here. Cassandra This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Cassandra, I'm just now reading all the email from the list. I got a bit behind. I didn't realize that you had just lost Tomi. I am so sorry! :( Following on the loss of Kisa and Koda must be devistating. Losing your best friend in Tomi is so heartbreaking. You saved him from a life on the streets if he even made it that far. With you, he experienced great love and care. I'll be thinking about you and sending healing vibes. Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra I am so sorry you lost your sweet Tomi.You were a great Mama to him.Hugs to you, Sherry C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Visit my Tigger Tales site! - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Your pictures are so beautiful. They made me cry. I feel about my Tigger the way you feel about Tomi. I've had him for 14+ years and it's still not enough. You only had your Tomi for a short time and it is natural to want more time. We are here for you whenever you need us. Peace, Gina C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From:C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa andKoda I've just lost my closest friend other than myhusband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husbandbrought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river inOctober of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying inthe trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. Iwasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly wonme over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was astrange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catchhim to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one timetoo, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hidwhen any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledgedyour presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at himsometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him toomany hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV,I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months untilhe crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back andgave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had towatch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get tospend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi gotsick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard timebreathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite,eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, hestarted to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him andstill drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then aroundnoon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt meforever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch hisbreath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. Iguess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the painwill eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all ofthis. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop sinceMarch 9 is now over. Cassandra - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG FreeEdition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date:6/23/2007 11:08 AM Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: need advice quick
I'm keeping you both in my prayers. Gina dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down, but not down enough. The IR should be here tomorrow, and so should the blood test results. He is still not eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. Between that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated. She also put him on linotinic. I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. Wish I had a cooling blanket. He doesn't seem any worse, infact, he is moving around more. --- wendy wrote: IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL. The generic for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe. I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but not sure on that. It goes under several names (Procrit, etc.) :) Wendy --- dede hicken wrote: Just got back from the vet. She put him on Delta Albaplex. It has several antibiotics and prednisolone. We are to use it for 5 days. Took blood. She said it looked thin. His gums are OK, but it looks like he is amemic. I called Revival. The IR is only 5ml. How much do you use at a time? Where do you get epogen and how much is it? Vet didn't know about it. She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her best, I believe. Say a prayer for mylittle guy. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: Victor Please add to the CLS :(
Rest well sweet Victor. I am so sorry Kelley. Peace, Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to this aweful disease.He has such a big heart for adopting the feleuks.I really though Victor was going to make it much longer.Thank you all for your support. Sherry and her 5 beautiful fur kids - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Thank you for the information Belinda. I am going to read all of it. Gina MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true. To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. From another Vet Website, again written in 2002: http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm 3) Verify FIP through histopathology. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: Victor Please add to the CLS :(
Sorry, I meant Sherry! I think I read too many emails in a row. Love and peace to you Sherry, Gina Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rest well sweet Victor. I am so sorry Kelley. Peace, Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to this aweful disease.He has such a big heart for adopting the feleuks.I really though Victor was going to make it much longer.Thank you all for your support. Sherry and her 5 beautiful fur kids - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.
Ki
---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Ki
Dede, I will keep you Ki in my thoughts today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Ki ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
OT: Birds
When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it as wonderful for my cats as I could. They deserve it. Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of town. There are some good tips to attracting birds for my cats to enjoy, plus it helps the birds. Being this is Texas, hopefully some of the info will help anyone on this list who would like to attract more birds Dear Susan, I get my stuff at Wild Birds Unlimited: Westwoods Shopping Center 3267 Bee Caves Road, Ste. 121 Austin, TX 78746 When Isabelle was alive I did not try to attract birds into the yard because she was such an efficient killing machine. After she died I started to try to attract birds into the yard. The basics include food, water and cover along with sustainable gardening. A few years ago Kay started to deliberately plant varieties of flowers, bushes and vines on which butterflies nectar and lay eggs. The commonest plants for eggs are passion vine for Gulf Fritillary and pipevine for Pipevine Swallowtails. She continues to add other varieties as she finds them in nurseries and we have over 30 species of butterflies in the yard on a casual count. We have always had nesting titmice, cardinals, mockingbirds, Carolina wrens, jays along with hummingbirds in the summer. I have plenty of cover, being adjacent to the woods next door, along with the Agarita bush and all of the perimeter plantings of youpon and boxwood. I have several sources of water which is always moving. I have a small sprayer which drips into a cup about a foot off the ground, and an Indian metate into which water constantly drips. These are surrounded by plants affording some protection. I have the large disappearing fountain that seems to be favored by the goldfinches although others bathe in it. The birds like shallow water which is moving and they like the little splash in the urn which I had disconnected when you were coming to lessen water loss from splashing. They like to get in the wet boxwood leaves from the splashing of the urn and bathe too. I get food at WBU. The wrens like the meal worms and so do the titmice. I have then in an exclusion feeder so that the mockingbird cannot get in; he has a tendency to run everyone else off. He makes a good meal out of some of the butterflies and caterpillars. The thistle seed in a yellow capped feeder attract specifically the goldfinches. I first saw them here when some of the flowers would go to seed. With the feeder they are here year round and have raised babies which depletes the thistle seed at a rapid rate. The green feeder is used by the jays, cardinals, titmice and house finches. The spring is set to discourage the white wing doves and squirrels. I note that the ruby throated hummingbird prefers blooming flowers over the feeder. This past winter a rufuous hummingbird showed up at the green sunflower feeder when we had the ice storm. That is when I got the hummingbird feeder and put it out. At first I thought that I was too late, but a few days later he came back and stayed about a week before going back to the northwest for the spring. He usually winters in south Austin, so I was pleased to have him here. During the spring we had a chipping sparrow, a magnolia warbler, an orange crowned warbler and a yellow warbler. . So, with food, water and cover I believe you can increase the number of birds in your yard; it the cats are a problem try butterfly gardening; cats are not much of a threat to them. g Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com www.tx.siameserescue.org www.shadowcats.net The storm can't down the castle, it can only shift the stones. Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Living for the day is very important. After I took in 4 felv+ cats I realized this even more. Now whenever anyone of my cats comes up to me and meows, or paws @ me, I drop whatever it is that I am doing and they either get a kiss, a petting or I pick them up hug them. And I tell them how much I love them a lot more often. I think they are trying to tell you something when they solicit your attention. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:05 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Thank you, Hideyo Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
I'm so sorry, Cassandra, I know how awful it feels to lose a baby from anemia and/ or lymphoma. And to be haunted by the way they die. But I do find that sometimes what haunted me can change in my perspective and no longer haunt me. Tomi was so fortunate to have found you. May you find blessings in your memories of Tomi. Gloria On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:05 PM, C J wrote: I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra
Re: Ki
I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice you say you're in a rural area - is there any possibility of getting him to a vet? He may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off with a needle. It makes them more comfortable. just a possibility, but something I always check into when my FELV kitties have breathing problems. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:54 AM, dede hicken wrote: ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Birds
There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: OT: Birds When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it as wonderful for my cats as I could. They deserve it. Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of town. There are some good tips to attracting birds for my cats to enjoy, plus it helps the birds. Being this is Texas, hopefully some of the info will help anyone on this list who would like to attract more birds Dear Susan, I get my stuff at Wild Birds Unlimited: Westwoods Shopping Center 3267 Bee Caves Road, Ste. 121 Austin, TX 78746 When Isabelle was alive I did not try to attract birds into the yard because she was such an efficient killing machine. After she died I started to try to attract birds into the yard. The basics include food, water and cover along with sustainable gardening. A few years ago Kay started to deliberately plant varieties of flowers, bushes and vines on which butterflies nectar and lay eggs. The commonest plants for eggs are passion vine for Gulf Fritillary and pipevine for Pipevine Swallowtails. She continues to add other varieties as she finds them in nurseries and we have over 30 species of butterflies in the yard on a casual count. We have always had nesting titmice, cardinals, mockingbirds, Carolina wrens, jays along with hummingbirds in the summer. I have plenty of cover, being adjacent to the woods next door, along with the Agarita bush and all of the perimeter plantings of youpon and boxwood. I have several sources of water which is always moving. I have a small sprayer which drips into a cup about a foot off the ground, and an Indian metate into which water constantly drips. These are surrounded by plants affording some protection. I have the large disappearing fountain that seems to be favored by the goldfinches although others bathe in it. The birds like shallow water which is moving and they like the little splash in the urn which I had disconnected when you were coming to lessen water loss from splashing. They like to get in the wet boxwood leaves from the splashing of the urn and bathe too. I get food at WBU. The wrens like the meal worms and so do the titmice. I have then in an exclusion feeder so that the mockingbird cannot get in; he has a tendency to run everyone else off. He makes a good meal out of some of the butterflies and caterpillars. The thistle seed in a yellow capped feeder attract specifically the goldfinches. I first saw them here when some of the flowers would go to seed. With the feeder they are here year round and have raised babies which depletes the thistle seed at a rapid rate. The green feeder is used by the jays, cardinals, titmice and house finches. The spring is set to discourage the white wing doves and squirrels. I note that the ruby throated hummingbird prefers blooming flowers over the feeder. This past winter a rufuous hummingbird showed up at the green sunflower feeder when we had the ice storm. That is when I got the hummingbird feeder and put it out. At first I thought that I was too late, but a few days later he came back and stayed about a week before going back to the northwest for the spring. He usually winters in south Austin, so I was pleased to have him here. During the spring we had a chipping sparrow, a magnolia warbler, an orange crowned warbler and a yellow warbler. . So, with food, water and cover I believe you can increase the number of birds in your yard; it the cats are a problem try butterfly gardening; cats are not much of a threat to them. g Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com
Re: Ki
Gloria, as we speak, I am on hold with the vet. I will have to do something today... Am on my way, keep us in your prayes. Dede and Ki --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice you say you're in a rural area - is there any possibility of getting him to a vet? He may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off with a needle. It makes them more comfortable. just a possibility, but something I always check into when my FELV kitties have breathing problems. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:54 AM, dede hicken wrote: ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp ~blood work and other Qs
Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use instead of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp ~blood work and other Qs
Hi Laurie The home page for this group has a list and explanation of the drugs that are being used for FeLV http://www.felineleukemia.org/ Hope Isabella improves. Jane Jun 30, 2007, at 10:50 AM, laurieskatz wrote: Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use instead of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: OT: Birds
Cat TV! We have a lot of that here :0) I've done my best to attract birds to my yard. I also keep a copy of 'Sibley's' near the window so I can look up the birds I don't recognize. My favorites are the Indigo Buntings and the Goldfinches. I mush have 10 different feeders out there (not counting the hummingbird feeders). The cats enjoy watching them so much (and I do too). I plant things with berries and shrubs that lend themselves to hiding little birdies. I planted crepe myrtles and nandinas near the bird feeders so they can hope to and from those to the feeders. I have a variety of trees around and tons of flowers. With the extreme drought we are having this summer here in north alabama the birdbaths are by far the biggest hit. My neighbor says she sits on her back porch and just watches all the birdies fly to my yard LOL I'm really wanting to add a water feature to the yard with shallow pools and waterfalls. That may be my project for this fall. Birds just flock here when I run the sprinklers. I get lots of nests around here too. I have a number of bird houses - some like the houses and some like the trees and shrubs. We have wonderful red-headed wood peckers and red finches. I keep peanut feeders too and the chickadees and blue jays and some other birds eat those peanuts as fast as I can put them out there. We also have Towhee's and Rose Breasted Grosbeaks. Sometimes I see as many as twenty doves out there at one time. I have bluebirds too! If you REALLY want to get into trouble -- go to Wild Birds Unlimited (I notice your Friend's email mentions WBU too). I went into that store the other day and KNEW I was in trouble. http://www.wbu.com/ elizabeth On 6/30/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it as wonderful for my cats as I could. They deserve it. Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of town. There are some good tips to attracting birds for my cats to enjoy, plus it helps the birds. Being this is Texas, hopefully some of the info will help anyone on this list who would like to attract more birds Dear Susan, I get my stuff at Wild Birds Unlimited: Westwoods Shopping Center http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth 3267 Bee Caves Road, Ste. 121 http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth Austin, TX 78746 http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth When Isabelle was alive I did not try to attract birds into the yard because she was such an efficient killing machine. After she died I started to try to attract birds into the yard. The basics include food, water and cover along with sustainable gardening. A few years ago Kay started to deliberately plant varieties of flowers, bushes and vines on which butterflies nectar and lay eggs. The commonest plants for eggs are passion vine for Gulf Fritillary and pipevine for Pipevine Swallowtails. She continues to add other varieties as she finds them in nurseries and we have over 30 species of butterflies in the yard on a casual count. We have always had nesting titmice, cardinals, mockingbirds, Carolina wrens, jays along with hummingbirds in the summer. I have plenty of *cover *, being adjacent to the woods next door, along with the Agarita bush and all of the perimeter plantings of youpon and boxwood. I have several sources of *water* which is always moving. I have a small sprayer which drips into a cup about a foot off the ground, and an Indian metate into which water constantly drips. These are surrounded by plants affording some protection. I have the large disappearing fountain that seems to be favored by the goldfinches although others bathe in it. The birds like shallow water which is moving and they like the little splash in the urn which I had disconnected when you were coming to lessen water loss from splashing. They like to get in the wet boxwood leaves from the splashing of the urn and bathe too. I get *food* at WBU. The wrens like the meal worms and so do the titmice. I have then in an *exclusion* feeder so that the mockingbird cannot get in; he has a tendency to run everyone else off. He makes a good meal out of some of the butterflies and caterpillars. The thistle seed in a yellow capped feeder attract specifically the goldfinches. I first saw them here when some of the flowers would go to seed. With the feeder they are here year round and have raised babies which depletes the thistle seed at a rapid rate. The green feeder is used by the jays, cardinals, titmice and house finches. The spring is set to discourage the white wing doves and squirrels. I note that the ruby throated hummingbird prefers blooming flowers over the feeder. This past winter a rufuous hummingbird showed up at the green sunflower feeder when we had the ice storm. That is when I got the hummingbird feeder and put it out. At first I thought that I was too late,
Re: Ki
Dede..you and Ki are in my heart. Prayers and love to you. elizabeth On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma
Thank you, it is not out of the question that I may take those kittens yet, but I have alot to think about first. For one, at least those kittens have a home. It may not be the best home in the world, but at least they have a mom, food, and shelter, and it sounds like the mom has hidden them from the dog. There are literally hundreds or more of cats/kittens around here that don't even have that, and are doomed right from the start. I would really like to get my two remaining cats retested for FeLV as well. I'm not sure how long I need to wait on that. They tested negative in March, but still may have gotten the virus over the last few months. I would feel very badly indeed if I brought kittens into the house and infected them. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Gina WN To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma Cassandra, I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in (before I emailed the one below.) I understand your feelings and there will be those who need you out there when you are ready. Take your time. Take care, Gina Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cassandra, I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies. I understand the grief you are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of taking them in. But...how old are the babies? Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while in your care. But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them. When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age. At about the three week mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up. (Plus they still got the bottle.) My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol But, at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in the bottle. I think at about eight weeks. Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door. Is there someone who can help you feed the babies while you are at work? By the way, our bottle babies are still with us. Tigger and Taylor will be 15 years old October 1st. :) Gina Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra -- This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical advice to give, never having had young kittens. But if you can make this work it sounds like a chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total keeper, BTW!!) to continue the good work you started with your angel kitties. These new ones wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW, don't think of it that way. Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and Koda have something to do with finding these new babies to save. This must be so frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously can't wait till the kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come to harm, but at the same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they think they and their kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're captured. Is there anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens during the day until their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there maybe a foster person who would give you liberal visitation rights until the kittens are older. It also seems to me that the momcat might be more tameable if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing. Is there a way you could trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her instincts seem to be when confined? Maybe if she/they were confined outside, rather than go right from barn to house, it would be less of a shock? (I'm just throwing this stuff out as it occurs to me, sorry! Hope some of it is relevant!) Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not even want to live with us. If she abandons her babies by being moved here (I would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I don't know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work mon-fri, 8 hours a day. We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the city. It is possible to come home at lunch time, but that gives us only 10-15 mins to feed the babies. How often do babies need to eat? Isn't it every couple of hours? And how long do they need to eat that frequently. I could probably take a few days off
Re: Ki
Praying for you and Ki. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Ki ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM
Immunity to FeLV?
I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra
To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Hi Caroline, Well, considering that it is rare, but possible, for Monkee to start making RBC's again, I would start the Epogen today if it were my kitty. He doesn't have time for you to wait, as transfusions buy precious but little time, and I don't think Monkee has a shot without something like the Epogen to stimulate RBC production. I would call your vet and even if she's not crazy about it, tell her it won't hurt and she might possibly learn something new. You may also need to consider one more transfusion to give the Epogen time to work, if it's going to. I am praying for another miracle, like Belinda had with her furbaby Bailey. And I am so happy to hear that Monkee is his old self again. Isn't it just wonderful to witness that? It's like a miracle in and of itself. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
That is a VERY good question, and one I do not have the answer to. I'm not sure the experts know this either. We don't even know if there is more than one strain of FeLV. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Ki is an Angel
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: Ki is an Angel
*DeDe... we are all so sorry for your loss. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
You can have titers run for FeLV. That will answer a lot of questions for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
You can have titers run for FeLV. That will answer a lot of questions for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede, Bless you for giving him a home at a time of need before Smokey left to go to the Rainbow Bridge. I always make a point of reading your postings regarding Angel Ki. I had hopes that maybe he would shake it off again. His fragile body couldn't continue anymore but his spirit will always remain in your heart. He will also be looking over your shoulder. I wouldn't put it pass him to send another homeless kitty your way. This would be his sign. The day will come when we will be with our angel furkids again. This is what I like to believe. Your right on the WHAT IFS we can go crazy on this. As I know from my experience on losing my precious furkids. I may not always respond to everyone but I try to read as many of the postings possible especially with what has been going on in my household. Very hectic and time consuming. Husband being a butt at times since his injury! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Birds
I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled in. My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a bathroom. That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source. It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps. The non felv+ cats are still waiting for their tv, which probably will be Xmas. A disappearing fountain is an old urn that he has, (pretty big) beautiful moss. On top he has placed a fish fountain that shoots the water out of it's mouth. The water then goes into the urn which is full of rocks, and dribbles down the side, disappearing into the water reserve @ the base. Which is covered by rocks also. Very pretty. The back of the house is entirely windows, from floor to ceiling, so it's quite a nice show w/ the birds butterflies are feeding. And of course, watching the squirrels try steal the food is fun too. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis .
Re: OT: Birds
Cool, thanks Elizabeth! I would really, really LOVE to have a Koi pond. I just took on a new client that has a state of the art Koi pond, pretty high maintenance but very neat. And he is a cat lover, adopts from our local pound and has outside ferals... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: OT: Birds Cat TV! We have a lot of that here :0) I've done my best to attract birds to my yard. I also keep a copy of 'Sibley's' near the window so I can look up the birds I don't recognize. My favorites are the Indigo Buntings and the Goldfinches. I mush have 10 different feeders out there (not counting the hummingbird feeders). The cats enjoy watching them so much (and I do too). I plant things with berries and shrubs that lend themselves to hiding little birdies. I planted crepe myrtles and nandinas near the bird feeders so they can hope to and from those to the feeders. I have a variety of trees around and tons of flowers. With the extreme drought we are having this summer here in north alabama the birdbaths are by far the biggest hit. My neighbor says she sits on her back porch and just watches all the birdies fly to my yard LOL I'm really wanting to add a water feature to the yard with shallow pools and waterfalls. That may be my project for this fall. Birds just flock here when I run the sprinklers. I get lots of nests around here too. I have a number of bird houses - some like the houses and some like the trees and shrubs. We have wonderful red-headed wood peckers and red finches. I keep peanut feeders too and the chickadees and blue jays and some other birds eat those peanuts as fast as I can put them out there. We also have Towhee's and Rose Breasted Grosbeaks. Sometimes I see as many as twenty doves out there at one time. I have bluebirds too! If you REALLY want to get into trouble -- go to Wild Birds Unlimited (I notice your Friend's email mentions WBU too). I went into that store the other day and KNEW I was in trouble. http://www.wbu.com/ elizabeth
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
while there are different strains of FeLV, everything i've seen implies that once a cat has been exposed and fought off the virus, of whatever strain, they do not develop an active infection from further exposure. before it was known that retesting was vital, cats who tested positive and were lucky enough to find a sanctuary placement went into an all-positive environment. many of those cats were actively ill, and the majority, over the years, succumbed to the opportunistic infections and cancers that FeLV makes them vulnerable to. some cats stayed healthy no matter WHAT was going on around them. they were presumed to be positive, because, well, they'd BEEN positive at about the same time that the need for retesting was becoming known, at the sanctuary where i was, we had some positives who, during routine eval for other things, were retested. negative! some of them had lived with positives for more than 5 years--constantly exposed, and re-exposed, presumably, to the various strains. i know that other sanctuaries who have retested cats have found the same thing--that not all of their long-term positives really are. the classic line: not enough research has been done. but it certainly appears as if mounting an immune defense against the initial exposure provides STRONG if not permanent immunity against further infection. marylyn--what exactly does the titre show? antibodies? antigens? exposure? chronic viremia? ie, does it have the same limitations that a single test would? MC On 6/30/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Ki is an Angel
you gave him exactly what he needed to be able to go on to the next stage of his journey. if you believe there's a plan, you have to know that all happens as it is meant to--even when our hearts feel broken by the fulfillment. love one another. for ki, you made that real. that's all that really matters. GLOW to guide his way home, and to heal your hearts. MC On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede, Please do not blame yourself for Ki's death, life happens and stress is a big part of that. It is not avoidable. I understand how you feel though. My Serenity came to me last July from a Frankenbreeder situation, and she was afraid of her own shadow. She had never seen a toy before, and she stuck to Princess Naughty Lola like glue. They came from the same House of Squalor. :( Everyday she began to trust me more, and nothing warmed my heart more than hearing her begin to bat her toys around, espeically in the middle of the night. :) And watching her devour her food, trying new ones, when before she barely was fed enough to sustain herself. Chronic URI and severe ringworm also was in the mix. (Just like w/ Pugsley). However, she also came to me unspayed, and since she was a cruelty confiscation being housed @ our local pound, spaying her was a must. Once she was spayed, it was just a few weeks before her wet FIP symptoms began to show up. I still blame myself to this day, I only had her 5 months but she really grabbed my heart (as tiny and coal black as it may be) and squeezed it very hard. Watching her go downhill literally tore me up. I have heard, though, letting a felv+ cat continously go into heat is actually more stressful than spaying them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine)
My vet has vaccinated his cats against felv every year, and one of his has turned pos. I have heard that it's 70 / 30 crapshoot, but I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Malone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine) am really new to this whole situation. Adopted an abandoned tuxie and at 9 months he just got sick. 2 days later he was in massive shock and unable to survive much more. My vet put him down while I held him. He told me he tested positive for Felv. I then brought in my others a 3 year old and a 4 year old. My 4 year old female is negative. My 3 year old male is positive. I have had both since they were kittens and they have always received all vaccinations yearly. I brought a kitten in that was a mess and he spent a week at the vet just trying to save him. He did initially test negative for Felv. He had also received his shots. I don't know what to think, but I am living proof you can vaccinate your cats for years and they can contract this virus. My boy is doing well now. He seems perfectly healthy. I don't know much about this virus but I have learned that vaccinations do not always work. Elizabeth
Re: OT: Birds
Ah, I wanna woodpecker in my yard... Or two, or three... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: OT: Birds Cat TV! We have a lot of that here :0) I've done my best to attract birds to my yard. I also keep a copy of 'Sibley's' near the window so I can look up the birds I don't recognize. My favorites are the Indigo Buntings and the Goldfinches. I mush have 10 different feeders out there (not counting the hummingbird feeders). The cats enjoy watching them so much (and I do too). I plant things with berries and shrubs that lend themselves to hiding little birdies. I planted crepe myrtles and nandinas near the bird feeders so they can hope to and from those to the feeders. I have a variety of trees around and tons of flowers. With the extreme drought we are having this summer here in north alabama the birdbaths are by far the biggest hit. My neighbor says she sits on her back porch and just watches all the birdies fly to my yard LOL I'm really wanting to add a water feature to the yard with shallow pools and waterfalls. That may be my project for this fall. Birds just flock here when I run the sprinklers. I get lots of nests around here too. I have a number of bird houses - some like the houses and some like the trees and shrubs. We have wonderful red-headed wood peckers and red finches. I keep peanut feeders too and the chickadees and blue jays and some other birds eat those peanuts as fast as I can put them out there. We also have Towhee's and Rose Breasted Grosbeaks. Sometimes I see as many as twenty doves out there at one time. I have bluebirds too! If you REALLY want to get into trouble -- go to Wild Birds Unlimited (I notice your Friend's email mentions WBU too). I went into that store the other day and KNEW I was in trouble. http://www.wbu.com/ elizabeth
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede -- I am so sorry. My heart hurts with you. He was so lucky that you were his mom. You will see him again. love and tears, elizabeth On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: Birds
I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Ki is an Angel
Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
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Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank you Marilyn and Leslie. Dede --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: OT: Birds
Tell them not to eat your house. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: OT: Birds Ah, I wanna woodpecker in my yard... Or two, or three... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: OT: Birds Cat TV! We have a lot of that here :0) I've done my best to attract birds to my yard. I also keep a copy of 'Sibley's' near the window so I can look up the birds I don't recognize. My favorites are the Indigo Buntings and the Goldfinches. I mush have 10 different feeders out there (not counting the hummingbird feeders). The cats enjoy watching them so much (and I do too). I plant things with berries and shrubs that lend themselves to hiding little birdies. I planted crepe myrtles and nandinas near the bird feeders so they can hope to and from those to the feeders. I have a variety of trees around and tons of flowers. With the extreme drought we are having this summer here in north alabama the birdbaths are by far the biggest hit. My neighbor says she sits on her back porch and just watches all the birdies fly to my yard LOL I'm really wanting to add a water feature to the yard with shallow pools and waterfalls. That may be my project for this fall. Birds just flock here when I run the sprinklers. I get lots of nests around here too. I have a number of bird houses - some like the houses and some like the trees and shrubs. We have wonderful red-headed wood peckers and red finches. I keep peanut feeders too and the chickadees and blue jays and some other birds eat those peanuts as fast as I can put them out there. We also have Towhee's and Rose Breasted Grosbeaks. Sometimes I see as many as twenty doves out there at one time. I have bluebirds too! If you REALLY want to get into trouble -- go to Wild Birds Unlimited (I notice your Friend's email mentions WBU too). I went into that store the other day and KNEW I was in trouble. http://www.wbu.com/ elizabeth
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
pleh? On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Birds
Try putting Feliway spray on your hands when you are sneaking a petting. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Birds I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Ki is an Angel
Hi Dede I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV babies will somehow beat the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks you for all you did. Sally On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Marilyn and Leslie. Dede --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Birds
I have one of those videos; my cats LOVE it! Mine is titled Video Catnip. I'd like to get a better one because this one is in 2 sections, and the first section is music instead of the actual noised the birds make. I need a DVD format also since mine is VHS. :) Wendy --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled in. My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a bathroom. That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source. It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps. The non felv+ cats are still waiting for their tv, which probably will be Xmas. A disappearing fountain is an old urn that he has, (pretty big) beautiful moss. On top he has placed a fish fountain that shoots the water out of it's mouth. The water then goes into the urn which is full of rocks, and dribbles down the side, disappearing into the water reserve @ the base. Which is covered by rocks also. Very pretty. The back of the house is entirely windows, from floor to ceiling, so it's quite a nice show w/ the birds butterflies are feeding. And of course, watching the squirrels try steal the food is fun too. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis . Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Ki is an Angel
Hi Dede, I am so sorry about Ki. You were wonderful to him; don't regret one minute the things you did for him out of love. He knows you loved him dearly. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
I am not getting all the posts
Hey guys, There is something really weird going on with my email. I am not getting all the posts and I think it's been happening for a while now. I only saw Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to her. I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede, but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Wendy --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV babies will somehow beat the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks you for all you did. Sally On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Marilyn and Leslie. Dede --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
LMAO...pleh haven't heard that for a while Sally On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pleh? On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed. It is these days that are the hardest to get through. When Tomi left me, I alternated between not being able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's been gone forever. It hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and allow yourself to cry as much as you need to. Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that their spirits live on, and something happened with Tomi that makes me a little more certain that perhaps their spirits do persist. A few hours after Tomi died, I leaned over to kiss his forehead. In that exact moment, when I opened my eyes and looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face. I have a kitty ornament in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the sun was reflecting through it in such a way at that exact time, that it shone on his face in a rainbow of color. Could it have been a coincidence? I suppose so, but that is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was. Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each other right now, and telling each other all about us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM
Re: Birds
I love the birds as well. We've lived at this house for 2 summers now, and we have far more birds this summer than last. Just 3 weeks ago, we put up a few feeders to encourage all these beautiful birds to stay, and they love them. We put a 4x4 post in the ground right in front of our living room picture window (the window all of our cats loved to look out of), with a bird feeder on top, and another hanging off the side. The feeders are constantly busy, mostly with gold finches. There must be dozens of gold finches hanging out in our yard. We also have a pair of doves, a few nuthatches, chickadees, bluejays, and various types of sparrows. We mainly just feed sunflower seeds as all the birds like them. My 2 remaining cats enjoy watching the birds as well, though they mostly seem interested in the hummingbirds (we put up a couple of hummingbird feeders as well). Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: OT: Birds When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it as wonderful for my cats as I could. They deserve it. Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of town. There are some good tips to attracting birds for my cats to enjoy, plus it helps the birds. Being this is Texas, hopefully some of the info will help anyone on this list who would like to attract more birds Dear Susan, I get my stuff at Wild Birds Unlimited: Westwoods Shopping Center 3267 Bee Caves Road, Ste. 121 Austin, TX 78746 When Isabelle was alive I did not try to attract birds into the yard because she was such an efficient killing machine. After she died I started to try to attract birds into the yard. The basics include food, water and cover along with sustainable gardening. A few years ago Kay started to deliberately plant varieties of flowers, bushes and vines on which butterflies nectar and lay eggs. The commonest plants for eggs are passion vine for Gulf Fritillary and pipevine for Pipevine Swallowtails. She continues to add other varieties as she finds them in nurseries and we have over 30 species of butterflies in the yard on a casual count. We have always had nesting titmice, cardinals, mockingbirds, Carolina wrens, jays along with hummingbirds in the summer. I have plenty of cover, being adjacent to the woods next door, along with the Agarita bush and all of the perimeter plantings of youpon and boxwood. I have several sources of water which is always moving. I have a small sprayer which drips into a cup about a foot off the ground, and an Indian metate into which water constantly drips. These are surrounded by plants affording some protection. I have the large disappearing fountain that seems to be favored by the goldfinches although others bathe in it. The birds like shallow water which is moving and they like the little splash in the urn which I had disconnected when you were coming to lessen water loss from splashing. They like to get in the wet boxwood leaves from the splashing of the urn and bathe too. I get food at WBU. The wrens like the meal worms and so do the titmice. I have then in an exclusion feeder so that the mockingbird cannot get in; he has a tendency to run everyone else off. He makes a good meal out of some of the butterflies and caterpillars. The thistle seed in a yellow capped feeder attract specifically the goldfinches. I first saw them here when some of the flowers would go to seed. With the feeder they are here year round and have raised babies which depletes the thistle seed at a rapid rate. The green feeder is used by the jays, cardinals, titmice and house finches. The spring is set to discourage the white wing doves and squirrels. I note that the ruby throated hummingbird prefers blooming flowers over the feeder. This past winter a rufuous hummingbird showed up at the green sunflower feeder when we had the ice storm. That is when I got the hummingbird feeder and put it out. At first I thought that I was too late, but a few days later he came back and stayed about a week before going back to the northwest for the spring. He usually winters in south Austin, so I was pleased to have him here. During the spring we had a chipping sparrow, a magnolia warbler, an orange crowned warbler and a yellow warbler. . So, with food, water and cover I believe you can increase the number of birds in your yard; it the cats are a problem try butterfly gardening; cats are not much of a threat to them. g Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com www.tx.siameserescue.org www.shadowcats.net The storm can't down the castle, it can only shift the stones.
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, Please do not blame yourself for Ki's death, life happens and stress is a big part of that. It is not avoidable. I understand how you feel though. My Serenity came to me last July from a Frankenbreeder situation, and she was afraid of her own shadow. She had never seen a toy before, and she stuck to Princess Naughty Lola like glue. They came from the same House of Squalor. :( Everyday she began to trust me more, and nothing warmed my heart more than hearing her begin to bat her toys around, espeically in the middle of the night. :) And watching her devour her food, trying new ones, when before she barely was fed enough to sustain herself. Chronic URI and severe ringworm also was in the mix. (Just like w/ Pugsley). However, she also came to me unspayed, and since she was a cruelty confiscation being housed @ our local pound, spaying her was a must. Once she was spayed, it was just a few weeks before her wet FIP symptoms began to show up. I still blame myself to this day, I only had her 5 months but she really grabbed my heart (as tiny and coal black as it may be) and squeezed it very hard. Watching her go downhill literally tore me up. I have heard, though, letting a felv+ cat continously go into heat is actually more stressful than spaying them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Cassandra. No problem with the crying. I let Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. He is running around and being obnoxious. I keep grabbing him to hug, and he gets annoyed!! They are almost alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with white feet. I don't know for certain either, but logically, if you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense that they live on as we will. that is a comforting thought about now. Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed. It is these days that are the hardest to get through. When Tomi left me, I alternated between not being able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's been gone forever. It hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and allow yourself to cry as much as you need to. Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that their spirits live on, and something happened with Tomi that makes me a little more certain that perhaps their spirits do persist. A few hours after Tomi died, I leaned over to kiss his forehead. In that exact moment, when I opened my eyes and looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face. I have a kitty ornament in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the sun was reflecting through it in such a way at that exact time, that it shone on his face in a rainbow of color. Could it have been a coincidence? I suppose so, but that is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was. Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each other right now, and telling each other all about us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: I am not getting all the posts
weird...maybe they will come in late. that happens to me sometimes. On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, There is something really weird going on with my email. I am not getting all the posts and I think it's been happening for a while now. I only saw Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to her. I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede, but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks, Wendy --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV babies will somehow beat the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks you for all you did. Sally On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Marilyn and Leslie. Dede --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: do you ever.......
I checked my babies alot when they were sick, and a few times my heart stopped because they seemed too still. It is cute that yours just fall asleep anywhere, they are just like kittens then. Mine tend to only sleep in their beds. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: do you ever... Walk into a room and one of your felv+ cats is asleep somewhere, so peaceful and still, you are afraid that he/ she has passed in their sleep? Lola (Princess Naughty Lola) is like that, a lot. I have to touch her and make sure she is ok... And ruffle her furrage.. Purr-la (my Kannibal Kitty, felv-) is like that too. It's like she can just stop, drop sleep where ever she is, the most peaceful sleep. I find her in the oddish places, fast asleep Like asleep in the hall, right in the center of activity. The other cats are jumping over her, playing w/ her tail stuff. She just sleeps And she can sleep for hours...and hours... I wonder if her life prior to me was so stressful that she is just catching up? I have had her 5+ yrs. now..Makes you wonder. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 5:57 PM
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
will answer on the OT list. stay tuned! On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pleh? On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
To Mary Christine
Mary Christine, I don't know if you realize it, but lately, you are not the kind, helpful person that I met here a year and a half ago. You are coming off as a know-it-all who gets exhasperated when someone doesn't remember something you posted months ago, or doesn't read every post that comes through on this site. And I quote, i get tired, sometimes, of responding to every bit of misinformation, and i'd passed my quota for that day. And then there's, no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. And who can forget, MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself posted in June referencing something you posted in April! You are treating people here like children instead of adults. I feel so grateful that people were here to help me when Cricket died, I don't mind repeating the same thing a thousand times, if it's going to help someone. If you feel put out having to repeat things, then don't respond. We have to keep in mind that we are going to repeat things over and over, by the sheer nature of what this site is designed to do: help new people who come along who need guidance and encouragement in dealing with FeLV. And keep in mind, some people do not know there are archives. I completely disagree with your attitude towards this site that it is now unhelpful and constantly putting forth incorrect information, and that too much chit chat is going on. I do research for a living; I certainly have the ability to look things up online and in fact, do it all day. But not everyone is familiar or comfortable enough to do good research online; some people don't know how to tell the difference between valid and invalid information if they haven't had a lot of experience on a computer or with the Internet. And not all people have the same amount of free time that others do to conduct research. That's a few ways we can help here. We should not make people feel stupid for asking questions or posting responses. So what if all the information posted is not completely accurate? The incorrect information you are ranting about is often not that big of a deal. It's not like anyone is telling people to feed bleach to their cat! That's why there are other people on this site; to correct RESPECTFULLY if needed. If there were no information at all, then where would sick cats be? We are blessed to have this site. A little OT is ok once in a while, and even refreshing sometimes, like jokes or photos or poems that are posted. I don't have time for the OT list; I do good to keep up with this one, so I appreciate a little OT sometimes. We can't expect people to go join every list that deals with every specific OT thing, when there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. And btw, here are a few OT things I found in the archives that you penned: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg09881.html (Thanksgiving card) http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg10870.html (FIV cats need home) http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg00865.html (on AC talk) Why was ok for you to chit chat then, but not for us to now??? We should be treating each other with kindness. We should be working as a team; not in opposition to one another. Personally, I am getting a little tired of hearing people get picked on on this site lately. We can disagree RESPECTFULLY! And we should always try to remain encouraging. Otherwise, we risk turning people away who may need help, and ultimately being indirectly responsible for the premature deaths of some cats, that might have otherwise been saved here had their owners felt comfortable asking questions at a warm and inviting site. PLEASE BE KIND It's not that hard! :) Wendy On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Wendy. It means a lot to have you say that. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I am so sorry about Ki. You were wonderful to him; don't regret one minute the things you did for him out of love. He knows you loved him dearly. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
Why I certainly do.! Talked to her this morning, I arrange her transports from Ausitn as well as coordinate any TLAC (our city pound) pulls for her the Asutin Branch... I will tell her you said Howdy! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Hi Susan D, Would like to know if you know Tonja Pfister? If you do would you tell her I said HELLO From WA. She knows who I am...done transports for the TX Siamese Rescue in the past. My home has been classified The Mohr Inn for those awaiting their flights into Canada. The kitties are spoiled rotten in their short stay here. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Birds
Will that take the chirping away? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Birds Try putting Feliway spray on your hands when you are sneaking a petting. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Birds I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Birds
It sounds like Kitty Heaven, Cassandra :0) It is such a joy to watch them! Everytime I watch the birdies, I think of my grandmother. She did a lot of china painting -- loved the birds and had all these Time/Life books of birds and sharks and whales...etc. As grandkids we would SO look forward to coming to her house and devouring those books! She would look up from her work -- painting or stitching (because Idle hands are the devil's workshop!)...and tell us about the birds coming to visit at the feeders. I'll never forget her - and her love of nature and birds has a lot to do with that. They always had a birdbath and a rich collection of plants and shrubs for the birdies. She and my grandfather were such good influences on me. elizabeth in alabama On 6/30/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the birds as well. We've lived at this house for 2 summers now, and we have far more birds this summer than last. Just 3 weeks ago, we put up a few feeders to encourage all these beautiful birds to stay, and they love them. We put a 4x4 post in the ground right in front of our living room picture window (the window all of our cats loved to look out of), with a bird feeder on top, and another hanging off the side. The feeders are constantly busy, mostly with gold finches. There must be dozens of gold finches hanging out in our yard. We also have a pair of doves, a few nuthatches, chickadees, bluejays, and various types of sparrows. We mainly just feed sunflower seeds as all the birds like them. My 2 remaining cats enjoy watching the birds as well, though they mostly seem interested in the hummingbirds (we put up a couple of hummingbird feeders as well). Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:22 AM *Subject:* OT: Birds When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it as wonderful for my cats as I could. They deserve it. Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of town. There are some good tips to attracting birds for my cats to enjoy, plus it helps the birds. Being this is Texas, hopefully some of the info will help anyone on this list who would like to attract more birds Dear Susan, I get my stuff at Wild Birds Unlimited: Westwoods Shopping Center http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth 3267 Bee Caves Road, Ste. 121 http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth Austin, TX 78746 http://stores.wbu.com/austinsouth When Isabelle was alive I did not try to attract birds into the yard because she was such an efficient killing machine. After she died I started to try to attract birds into the yard. The basics include food, water and cover along with sustainable gardening. A few years ago Kay started to deliberately plant varieties of flowers, bushes and vines on which butterflies nectar and lay eggs. The commonest plants for eggs are passion vine for Gulf Fritillary and pipevine for Pipevine Swallowtails. She continues to add other varieties as she finds them in nurseries and we have over 30 species of butterflies in the yard on a casual count. We have always had nesting titmice, cardinals, mockingbirds, Carolina wrens, jays along with hummingbirds in the summer. I have plenty of *cover *, being adjacent to the woods next door, along with the Agarita bush and all of the perimeter plantings of youpon and boxwood. I have several sources of *water* which is always moving. I have a small sprayer which drips into a cup about a foot off the ground, and an Indian metate into which water constantly drips. These are surrounded by plants affording some protection. I have the large disappearing fountain that seems to be favored by the goldfinches although others bathe in it. The birds like shallow water which is moving and they like the little splash in the urn which I had disconnected when you were coming to lessen water loss from splashing. They like to get in the wet boxwood leaves from the splashing of the urn and bathe too. I get *food* at WBU. The wrens like the meal worms and so do the titmice. I have then in an *exclusion* feeder so that the mockingbird cannot get in; he has a tendency to run everyone else off. He makes a good meal out of some of the butterflies and caterpillars. The thistle seed in a yellow capped feeder attract specifically the goldfinches. I first saw them here when some of the flowers would go to seed. With the feeder they are here year round and have raised babies which depletes the thistle seed at a rapid rate. The green feeder is used by the jays, cardinals, titmice and house finches. The spring is set to discourage the white wing doves and squirrels. I note that the ruby throated hummingbird prefers blooming flowers over the feeder. This past winter a rufuous hummingbird showed up at the green sunflower feeder when we had the
Re: Birds
Have you seen the kitty show ones ? www.kittyshow.com It's bugs crawling on top of a glass table, shot form underneath w/ birds crickets in the background Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Birds I have one of those videos; my cats LOVE it! Mine is titled Video Catnip. I'd like to get a better one because this one is in 2 sections, and the first section is music instead of the actual noised the birds make. I need a DVD format also since mine is VHS. :) Wendy --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled in. My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a bathroom. That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source. It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps. The non felv+ cats are still waiting for their tv, which probably will be Xmas. A disappearing fountain is an old urn that he has, (pretty big) beautiful moss. On top he has placed a fish fountain that shoots the water out of it's mouth. The water then goes into the urn which is full of rocks, and dribbles down the side, disappearing into the water reserve @ the base. Which is covered by rocks also. Very pretty. The back of the house is entirely windows, from floor to ceiling, so it's quite a nice show w/ the birds butterflies are feeding. And of course, watching the squirrels try steal the food is fun too. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis . Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM
Re: do you ever.......
Only Princess Pearl AKAS as Purrr-laa, AKAS Kannibal Kitty, falls asleep anywhere. She is a very funny one, that one. She probably never really had a kittenhood, due to her start in life. Now maybe she does? Yes, sometimes they are so still asleep, they look just like little Angels... Wait, cats are Angels :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: do you ever... I checked my babies alot when they were sick, and a few times my heart stopped because they seemed too still. It is cute that yours just fall asleep anywhere, they are just like kittens then. Mine tend to only sleep in their beds. Cassandra
Re: Birds
No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Birds Will that take the chirping away? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Birds Try putting Feliway spray on your hands when you are sneaking a petting. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Birds I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats vaccinated. I want to have the two retested for FeLV again as well to make sure they didn't pick it up in the last few months. How long would one need to wait to make sure they are negative? Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message.
Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
I know Tonya, too. I think from another list?! Small world (I'm in Iowa). Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Why I certainly do.! Talked to her this morning, I arrange her transports from Ausitn as well as coordinate any TLAC (our city pound) pulls for her the Asutin Branch... I will tell her you said Howdy! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Hi Susan D, Would like to know if you know Tonja Pfister? If you do would you tell her I said HELLO From WA. She knows who I am...done transports for the TX Siamese Rescue in the past. My home has been classified The Mohr Inn for those awaiting their flights into Canada. The kitties are spoiled rotten in their short stay here. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Ki is an Angel
And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I would call that a sign, but if you want to know for sure, have the necropsy performed. I never do through, I would rather spend the money on a cat that is still alive, since many come my way broken :( Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative. She wasn't sure anymore why he had ended up with the positive group (whether he'd tested positive at one time or he hadn't been tested) but they obviously shared everything and he was still healthy and negative. He is still alive five or so years AFTER the five years with the positive group! Laurie - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To:
Re: Ki is an Angel
Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned this computer on that there would be some good news about Ki. He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find comfort in the good times you shared and knowing that he finally felt loved and cared for. You fought for him until the very end, and he knew that. His angels are with you. Jane On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:09 PM, dede hicken wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Yes, I feel like I have a science project going on, w/ these 12 cats, which originally were 14. LOVE the name of your kitty. Kitties shouls always have fancy names, formal names of course the your in trouble name.. ;) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria
Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
She is on the Ausitn Siamese Rescue list, as well as others I think... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) I know Tonya, too. I think from another list?! Small world (I'm in Iowa). Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Why I certainly do.! Talked to her this morning, I arrange her transports from Ausitn as well as coordinate any TLAC (our city pound) pulls for her the Asutin Branch... I will tell her you said Howdy! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Hi Susan D, Would like to know if you know Tonja Pfister? If you do would you tell her I said HELLO From WA. She knows who I am...done transports for the TX Siamese Rescue in the past. My home has been classified The Mohr Inn for those awaiting their flights into Canada. The kitties are spoiled rotten in their short stay here. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I have a client that took in 2 felv+ cats, @ different times. They always stayed healthy, (we are talking about 2 yrs or so) per se, but one day the tuxie was dead in their room. She took good care of them, high quality food, outdoor enclosure access, yada, yada Simon, the Siamese became very depressed, and on a hunch she had him retested. He came up neg/ neg. Simon went back to live w/ the woman who had originally given him to her, he had been a stray. The woman couldn't keep him if he was pos. due to having a one bedroom apartment and two other cats. Simon has adjusted well, no idea how he tested pos. and now is neg/neg, but he has a very good life. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative. She wasn't sure anymore why he had ended up with the positive group (whether he'd tested positive at one time or he hadn't been tested) but they obviously shared everything and he was still healthy and negative. He is still alive five or so years AFTER the five years with the positive group! Laurie
Re: Ki is an Angel
I wish I could say I deliberately did this. I swore I never would. When these 4 kitens came into foster care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to choose. I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2 weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. We treated that, and tested him...Surprise. I was shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have volontarity done this. I have 3 FIV cats. One of them is diabetic, one has stomatitis. I have another with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic. I go from day to day. Life is a gift. When I take a furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in sickness and in health so to speak. You cn't throw them away because they are not pefect. I have been truly blessed by my fur-family Dede (who is sorry for the chit chat) --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but loves his mama :0) I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool on my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him. With this being a multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues. The Feliway helps keep everyone calm and happy. It's helped with some skiddishness too -- I have 4 who ever quite feral at one time. I've had better luck with the spray than with the diffusers. (by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0) elizabeth in alabama On 6/30/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM *Subject:* Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
wow, gloria, it's been that long? she's such a beauty--i have a photo of her in my files! of course, i guess it is it was 2003 when we did the trip from houston back to MI argggh. MC On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM *Subject:* Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM *Subject:* Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM *Subject:* Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats with an unknown history (may or may not have FeLV), if I should have my two older cats
Re: To Mary Christine
Y'know, this might be the sort of conversation you want to take off-list, email privately and sort it out. I have not perceived any difference in MC's demeanor. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary Christine, I don't know if you realize it, but lately, you are not the kind, helpful person that I met here a year and a half ago. You are coming off as a know-it-all who gets exhasperated when someone doesn't remember something you posted months ago, or doesn't read every post that comes through on this site. And I quote, i get tired, sometimes, of responding to every bit of misinformation, and i'd passed my quota for that day. And then there's, no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. And who can forget, MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself posted in June referencing something you posted in April! You are treating people here like children instead of adults. I feel so grateful that people were here to help me when Cricket died, I don't mind repeating the same thing a thousand times, if it's going to help someone. If you feel put out having to repeat things, then don't respond. We have to keep in mind that we are going to repeat things over and over, by the sheer nature of what this site is designed to do: help new people who come along who need guidance and encouragement in dealing with FeLV. And keep in mind, some people do not know there are archives. I completely disagree with your attitude towards this site that it is now unhelpful and constantly putting forth incorrect information, and that too much chit chat is going on. I do research for a living; I certainly have the ability to look things up online and in fact, do it all day. But not everyone is familiar or comfortable enough to do good research online; some people don't know how to tell the difference between valid and invalid information if they haven't had a lot of experience on a computer or with the Internet. And not all people have the same amount of free time that others do to conduct research. That's a few ways we can help here. We should not make people feel stupid for asking questions or posting responses. So what if all the information posted is not completely accurate? The incorrect information you are ranting about is often not that big of a deal. It's not like anyone is telling people to feed bleach to their cat! That's why there are other people on this site; to correct RESPECTFULLY if needed. If there were no information at all, then where would sick cats be? We are blessed to have this site. A little OT is ok once in a while, and even refreshing sometimes, like jokes or photos or poems that are posted. I don't have time for the OT list; I do good to keep up with this one, so I appreciate a little OT sometimes. We can't expect people to go join every list that deals with every specific OT thing, when there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. And btw, here are a few OT things I found in the archives that you penned: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg09881.html (Thanksgiving card) http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg10870.html (FIV cats need home) http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg00865.html (on AC talk) Why was ok for you to chit chat then, but not for us to now??? We should be treating each other with kindness. We should be working as a team; not in opposition to one another. Personally, I am getting a little tired of hearing people get picked on on this site lately. We can disagree RESPECTFULLY! And we should always try to remain encouraging. Otherwise, we risk turning people away who may need help, and ultimately being indirectly responsible for the premature deaths of some cats, that might have otherwise been saved here had their owners felt comfortable asking questions at a warm and inviting site. PLEASE BE KIND It's not that hard! :) Wendy On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed
Re: Ki is an Angel
Well, I have always wanted to have@ least one felv+ cat, now I have 4 w/ the possibility of 12 more soon. I never would commit to taking one, because I am the type of purrson who always wants to make sure I am ready. My first one was Lola, I had commited to taking her from the pound, then she tested pos., and I felt an obligation to give her a good life, for however long I had her. It was well, now is the time. You put your name on her to pull, she is your responsibility. If you have ever pulled from a high kill pound, you know that the only other option for the animal, espeically a felv+ cat, is death. Spacewise, I was not ready, she had to live in a bathroom for a few months until we moved, along w/ Serenity while we had her then Ursula. It was a big bathroom, but still a bathroom. And I am a firm believer that it is not just research and meds that will help prolong your felv+ cat's life, but the simple joys like being able to watch the birds, soft music, etc.. Anything that could be called quality of life. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel I wish I could say I deliberately did this. I swore I never would. When these 4 kitens came into foster care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to choose. I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2 weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. We treated that, and tested him...Surprise. I was shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have volontarity done this. I have 3 FIV cats. One of them is diabetic, one has stomatitis. I have another with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic. I go from day to day. Life is a gift. When I take a furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in sickness and in health so to speak. You cn't throw them away because they are not pefect. I have been truly blessed by my fur-family Dede (who is sorry for the chit chat) --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
H, then I shall try it. Maybe my little bedwetter, Pugsley, will stop peeing on the cat beds Also all of the cats from this particuliar seizure have litterbox issues. Not Lola or Ursula, but Serenity did and a litter of kittens that tested felv+. They have already crossed over :( Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but loves his mama :0) I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool on my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him. With this being a multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues. The Feliway helps keep everyone calm and happy. It's helped with some skiddishness too -- I have 4 who ever quite feral at one time. I've had better luck with the spray than with the diffusers. (by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0) elizabeth in alabama
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Yup, Sigh, time files... On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, MaryChristine wrote: wow, gloria, it's been that long? she's such a beauty--i have a photo of her in my files! of course, i guess it is it was 2003 when we did the trip from houston back to MI argggh. MC On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Immunity to FeLV? I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination? I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many times. They lived in close proximity to Tomi and Kisa for 2.5 years. They licked out each other's dishes, used the same litterboxes, etc. They both tested negative for the virus in March, and I am curious if they will have developed an immunity to it, or do they need to fight the virus every time they are exposed? Basically i'm wondering if I were to take in more cats
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one had been adopted as a kitten. Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on and off but was mostly healthy. and now we have Isabella Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have a client that took in 2 felv+ cats, @ different times. They always stayed healthy, (we are talking about 2 yrs or so) per se, but one day the tuxie was dead in their room. She took good care of them, high quality food, outdoor enclosure access, yada, yada Simon, the Siamese became very depressed, and on a hunch she had him retested. He came up neg/ neg. Simon went back to live w/ the woman who had originally given him to her, he had been a stray. The woman couldn't keep him if he was pos. due to having a one bedroom apartment and two other cats. Simon has adjusted well, no idea how he tested pos. and now is neg/neg, but he has a very good life. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative. She wasn't sure anymore why he had ended up with the positive group (whether he'd tested positive at one time or he hadn't been tested) but they obviously shared everything and he was still healthy and negative. He is still alive five or so years AFTER the five years with the positive group! Laurie
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote: When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what is given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon. I use Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I can email you the file, the alpha interferon is also given is very very small doses and works differently than is used with people, Kelly Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Wow, that's impressive! Long, happy lives, it sounds like. You must have / are doing something right. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one had been adopted as a kitten. Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on and off but was mostly healthy. and now we have Isabella Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
It has to be their idea. I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not house cats as we normally think about them. They are very self sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine. I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get. And it has worked with several cats. My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt to come out without Feliway. She chose to move in with my parents and was my father's cat until he left this world. Then her whole world turned on end and she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person). I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville. Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me. This was no where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell. She lost her job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that. I slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to come out. The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I was asleep and things worked out from there. The price has really come down. I don't know if you have checked lately but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap. It makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
I haven'r seen it in cats, but the cats I have given interferon to were in the iso ward @ the AHS. We would give it to our cats w/ URI, so, they were feeling pretty bad as it was. They have more energy after being given fluids due to the electrolites administered, I believe. Could be wrong, I am sure I will be corrected if I am. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Re litter box issues: Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets. My cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind. This is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc. The blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time. Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids. They give more room (important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble (for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a physical problem that made getting down difficult). Yes, the Feliway may help. It was designed for pee-problems. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway H, then I shall try it. Maybe my little bedwetter, Pugsley, will stop peeing on the cat beds Also all of the cats from this particuliar seizure have litterbox issues. Not Lola or Ursula, but Serenity did and a litter of kittens that tested felv+. They have already crossed over :( Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but loves his mama :0) I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool on my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him. With this being a multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues. The Feliway helps keep everyone calm and happy. It's helped with some skiddishness too -- I have 4 who ever quite feral at one time. I've had better luck with the spray than with the diffusers. (by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0) elizabeth in alabama
