Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion!

2013-10-16 Thread katskat1
Agree totally with you Beth.  I have always mingled neg and pos as long as;
A:  The negatives are adult who have been vaccinated and given time for it
to circulate thru their systems
B.  they aren't young kittens who haven't been thru full series of shots
and given time for it to  take.   Young kittens are apparently much more
susceptible to this nasty condition.

I have never had a negative test positive later.

Good luck with your babies.

Kat


On Monday, October 14, 2013, Beth wrote:

 The tests are totally different. The IFA tests to see if the virus is
 circulating in the bone marrow, which means the cat will not throw off the
 virus. The ELISA snap tests for the virus in the blood. A cat can be
 positive on the snap test but negative on the IFA. This means they have a
 chance of throwing off the virus.
 So we know Baby is definitely positive.
 You might want to re-test Moe on the SNAP test  if positive do an IFA of
 just skip to the IFA. If the IFA on Moe is positive neither cat is going to
 throw off the virus  they can mingle.

 Just FYI, a lot of us here mix out positive  negative cats, vaccinating
 the negative cats. I have done so for almost 15 years  have never had the
 virus get transmitted to my negative cats. My old vet used to vaccinate my
 negative twice a year. Of coarse this is a personal decision.

 Good luck  thank you for keeping Moe  Baby  giving them a chance at
 life.

 Beth


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 I'm confused and hope people can help me to understand this.

  I have two cats who have tested positive for felv.  One, Moe has tested
 positive twice on the ELISA, and the tests were done a year apart.  Baby,
 has tested positive both on a SNAP and an IFA test - done two months apart.
  Different vets were used.

  They have been kept separate, both from each other and our negative cats.

  So, the question is can they be safely introduced to each other?  Do I
 need Moe to be retested using the IFA?  Do I need Baby retested using the
 ELISA?

  Please, any light that can be shed on this will be incredibly helpful.
  Thank you so much!

  Leslie  the furballs

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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her

2013-10-11 Thread katskat1
It kills a part of me every time I have to make that decision.  Just today
an elderly dog I cared for a great deal had to be helped across the Rainbow
Bridge because he had lost all control of his hindquarters and could no
longer pee or poop.  Rowdy was only with our rescue a year or so after his
humans could no longer deal with him but during that year he was a very
happy and loved old goof ball and I really think the attention he finally
received and the joy he had in his last year of life were a present we were
able to give to him.  In return he loved the heck out of us and life.

So, while it hurts, remember the love you gave and the love you received
and be content in the belief you didn't allow it to drag on to where she
would have gone over the bridge with unhappy experiences being her last.
 You did the loving thing.  Thank you.

Kat

On Friday, October 11, 2013, Lorrie wrote:

 Dear Jennifer,

 You did the right thing. I have had many FelV cats, and other
 than giving fluids to make them more comfortable or taking care of
 something like an infection that a vet can treat, I will NOT put a
 cat of mine thru any heroic measures. I have tried assist feeding,
 and I've watched them gag and try to get away from me. This is pure
 torture for them as well as for me, the torturer. I know a lot of you
 will disagree with me, but when a FelV cat becomes desperately ill I
 put them down.  I give my FelV cats as good a life as I can while
 they are alive and well, but when they are dying I let them go.
 Thank you for making the brave decision you made.  You will miss
 Sasha terribly, but you did the kindest thing you could for her.

 Hugs for you from Lorrie

 On 10-10, Jennifer Ballew wrote:
 Put Sasha down today.  I think it was time.  :-(
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread katskat1
Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all.
Don't freak tho.  It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin
as the liquid drains from the IV bag.  It is just the water under the skin
and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts
surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference.
Please don't hesitate.  It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty
a chance.

Kat


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

   At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
 cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

 Chris C.


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 Hi Jennifer,

Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask
 about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.

Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and
 assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to
 give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.

Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.

 All the best,

 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM
 To: felvtalk **
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she
 have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the
 cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and
 fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his
 back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a
 non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and
 going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use
 up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple
 but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and
 your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
 of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.  I'm
 sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-09 Thread katskat1
Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and when.
 Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:

  Hi Jennifer,

 My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
 fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

  If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
 someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
 dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
 counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?

   Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
 related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
 illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
 probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
 aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
 before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
 herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
 again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
 she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
 and if an antibiotic could be tried.

 I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first
 diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we
 brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I
 did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
 between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
 time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
 (there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
 consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
 relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
 some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
 that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
 efforts.

  My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration,
 get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
 Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet,
 and love her.

 All the best,

 Margo



 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
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 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
 of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.  I'm
 sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the most
 risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
 a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
 I would greatly appreciate it.

 Thanks all,

 Jennifer

 --
 To love is to risk not being loved in return.
 To hope is to risk pain.
 To try is to risk failure,
 But risk must be taken,
 Because the greatest hazard in life
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-09 Thread katskat1
Rehydrate.  Soon.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Jennifer Ballew wrote:

 Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much.  So I
 guess that's something.

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
 'cvml', 'katsk...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
 quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand
 at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
 different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and
 when.  Good luck.

 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:

  Hi Jennifer,

 My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
 fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

  If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
 someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
 dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
 counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?

   Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
 related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
 illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
 probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
 aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
 before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
 herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
 again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
 she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
 and if an antibiotic could be tried.

 I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
 first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which
 we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97.
 I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
 between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
 time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
 (there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
 consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
 relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
 some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
 that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
 efforts.

  My advice would be to try to resolve the
 dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet
 (I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and
 quiet, and love her.

 All the best,

 Margo



 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
 of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.  I'm
 sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the most
 risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
 a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
 I would greatly appreciate it.

 Thanks all,

 Jennifer

 --
 To love is to risk not being loved in return.
 To hope is to risk pain.
 To try is to risk failure,
 But risk must be taken,
 Because the greatest hazard in life
 Is to risk nothing.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Meowko passed, and interferon alpha 2b available

2013-05-27 Thread katskat1
What a beautiful story!  Well told and obviously from the heart.  Meowko.
 What a sweet name.  She is running free over the rainbow bridge.  There is
an American Indian legend that says the stars are windows in heaven that
our loved ones look through to keep an eye on us.  Meowko has her own
window now and is watching you, waiting for the time you will join her.

Kat
---

On Monday, May 27, 2013, Beth wrote:

 So sorry for your loss of your sweet baby. Amazing how she brought you 
 your husband together. What a wonderful story!.

 Hugs,
  Beth

 I-Chun C. C. Chang  changic...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:

 Dear friends,
 
 Thank you very much for the great support over the last several weeks.
 Meowko is now an angel. She crossed the rainbow bridge on May 26th, around
 8:45pm US eastern daylight saving time. Her passing was peaceful, but for
 whole my family, our life would never be the same without her.
 
 I can't stop thinking about the day I first met Meowko back in Taipei
 city,
 Taiwan. It was not me who adopted Mewoko; it was Meowko who adopted me.
 That was also a beautiful May day. She jumped into my window during
 dinnertime demanding the fish entree in my bento. From that day, she came
 every night, until one day she decided to stay and never left again. I
 didn't know anything of cats back to that time. I was actually very afraid
 of cats when I was little as in many Asian legends cats are evil. So I
 turned to one of my friend's friend who I knew he took care of street cats
 for years, asking tips about how to be a cat parent. This friend became my
 boyfriend, later my husband.
 
 Meowko traveled with us all the time, from Taiwan to the US 7yrs ago, and
 from Minnesota to Connecticut last year, not to mention those shorter
 trips/research trips over these years. She was good at taking airplanes,
 riding for week-long road trip, and had always been calm in front of
 anything. She was the perfect cat a geographer can ever dream for, and I
 always believe herself was a cat geographer as well. We have always been
 saying that she probably taught geography in feline schools when her
 humans
 were in sleep.
 
 We are going to arrange a witness of Meowko's cremation on Wednesday. She
 will always in our hearts...She is survived by her two humans and her 7
 yrs
 old littermate, Jaja, who also jumped into our window several years later.
 
 Although Meowko had been sick over these years as she was getting old, she
 had a very good quality of life until the day before yesterday. She was
 deeply loved by many people who knew her, from many places around the
 world. I hope I could have had a little more time with her... I have
 already missed her so terribly.
 
 Along with some ckd medical supplies, Meowko left about 20 days' supply of
 interferon alpha 2b oral liquid 100 IU/ml strength available (expiration
 date, June 20th, 2013). If anyone needs it, we are in eastern Connecticut,
 you’re welcome to pick it up or we can drop off in reasonable traveling
 distance.  Or I can mail it to you, the only thing I ask would be that you
 pay for the shipping as it requires cool pack overnight shipping.)
 
 Please give your babies extra hugs for us. All the furry friends on this
 listserv are strong fighters as Meowko. I am sorry to report back today
 that Meowko didn't win her battle, but it doesn't mean others can't win.
 With the knowledge and support from members on this listserv, there is
 still have a very good chance. Please try as much as you can, and please
 never give up hope. It is the most important lesson I learned from Meowko
 and from the members here.
 
 Thank you all very much again. (And particularily, Margo, your words for
 us
 had encouraged us to go through the tough times...)
 
 with my best,
 Catherine and our little sweet angel, Meowko
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The War on Cats

2013-02-02 Thread katskat1
AMEN!

Kat

On Saturday, February 2, 2013, Lee Evans wrote:

 There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it
 comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder
 any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of
 mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her
 healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My
 tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious
 but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person
 who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid
 head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air.

 Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons
 to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of
 medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from
 dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness.

 Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from
 almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats
 and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice  but toss in
 moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that
 mostly fly.  Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news
 day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being
 slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though
 that humans  have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a
 head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male
 sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture
 (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy
 restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it
 seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most
 trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill
 mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time
 to get off my soap box and go to bed.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

2013-01-16 Thread katskat1
OMG!  If I put golf balls in my dogs food they would swallow them and keep
right on going!


On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Shelley Theye wrote:

 Hi Tricia and All,

 I recently joined this group after finding out that a neighborhood feral
 cat that I trapped
 to neuter, tested positive for FeLV.   I have him separate from my cats
 now, and he has, over a few months,
 actually become a lot tamer, not 100% yet, but so much better, allows
 petting, plays, etc.

 Hope I am not out of line jumping in about Tricia's cat before properly
 introducing myself.

 I am not sure if I am getting all of the emails on this particular thread,
 but
 I think with her symptoms, ongoing or worsening loose stool, and now
 hiding, she should definitely be seen by a vet.
 There have been lots of great suggestions given, but IF she is not
 improving, you should bring her in for an exam.

 I would start by getting the name of the vet that your friend took her
 too, then call and ask them about her
 check-up, and why she was given the Tylosin.  Ask your friend more about
 why the Tylosin too.  Maybe have your friend
 call the vet first to let them know it is fine to tell you about her, that
 you adopted her...ask them if they did a fecal, deworming, etc.  Find out
 the
 dewormer they gave her, what the fecal showed, etc.  You need more info
 and maybe just by talking to them you
 will get some answers.

 If her symptoms continue, I think you should bring her in to your own vet.
  Have the other vet fax the records over.
 With FeLV cats, it is important to stay on top of symptoms and address
 them sooner versus later to treat anything before it advances, right?
 She could become dehydrated with ongoing diarrhea and you don't really
 know what is
 going on for sure to cause her symptoms, unless the other vet sheds some
 light.  This is just my opinion.

 For instance, she could have coccidia, giardia, etc.   Sometimes vets want
 to do a direct fecal
 to find certain parasites, etc.   They can be hard to find on a fecal you
 drop off.
 Loose stool could have lots of bacteria in it too, not just worms, and she
 might need to be
 treated.  I have a foster cat who had chronic loose stools and when fecals
 were done, he
 had an overload of bacteria and metronidazole helped for a while.
 His diarrhea ended up being intermittent to almost constant, until we
 finally figured out he has a food allergy and now
 after 4 years (!), his stools are finally normal on a special unique
 protein (rabbit) food.

 Hope Pumpkin starts feeling better soon.  One other thing, declawing is
 very traumatic, and declawing an adult is even worse.
 Some of her litter box aversion could be from pain of declaw in addition
 to the diarrhea, not necessarily, but just something
 to be aware of.  She has been through a lot.   And she is still getting
 used to your home and being indoors.  It's only been a few months,
 she still needs time to adapt.  Also, cats will sometimes purr even if
 they don't feel good.  Sounds like you are being a great mom to Pumpkin,
 but if she isn't getting better, I would definitely err on the side of
 caution and have her seen or at least call your vet or the other vet.

 Best,
 Shelley

 On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:54 PM, katskat1 wrote:

  Some good suggestions!  I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive
 tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested.
  She inhales it!  Little miss Hoover.  I am feeding 9 other cats and three
 dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with
 thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough
 attention to her to try and slow her down.  I may start feeding her
 separately.  Will see how it goes.  Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her
 hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food
 bowl!!  Subtle kitty that she is...
 
  For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny.
  She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday.  She will not
 give it up.  Hope to keep her in til spring.
 
  Ozzie is doing MUCH better.  Fattened up in his head, chest and front
 section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out.  Mingles with
 the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot
 he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well.  So far
 no issues developing with ,the FIV.  Discovered he was choosing his own
 toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there
 be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,.  Take the lid off and he uses it
 every time.  One mystery solved.
 
 
  Kat
  ::
  On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote:
  When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It will
 provide good bacteria for her intestines.
 
  Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises, etc,
 that could have been the problem.
  As for her hiding, Annie hid

Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia

2013-01-15 Thread katskat1
Some good suggestions!  I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive
tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested.
 She inhales it!  Little miss Hoover.  I am feeding 9 other cats and three
dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with
thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough
attention to her to try and slow her down.  I may start feeding her
separately.  Will see how it goes.  Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her
hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food
bowl!!  Subtle kitty that she is...

For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny.
 She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday.  She will not
give it up.  Hope to keep her in til spring.

Ozzie is doing MUCH better.  Fattened up in his head, chest and front
section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out.  Mingles with
the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot
he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well.  So far
no issues developing with ,the FIV.  Discovered he was choosing his own
toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there
be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,.  Take the lid off and he uses it
every time.  One mystery solved.


Kat
::
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote:

 When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it.  It will
 provide good bacteria for her intestines.

 Good thought on her accident.  If she is not used to sudden noises, etc,
 that could have been the problem.
 As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at
 night to eat.  I put a box downstairs for her to use.  She had lost her
 owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks.  The lady's
 sister came once a day, fed her and changed her box.  Then she was put in a
 box, brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a
 house with a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people.  She freaked out and headed
 straight for the basement.  She had always been an only cat so getting used
 to a house full and new people didn't help her.  Now, she still does not
 like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it.
 I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our
 way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do
 things.  For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass
 so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will be able to
 understand their little quirks.

  strchalb...@aol.com wrote:
  Hi Sharyl,
 
  Thank you so much for the quick reply:)
 
  I would have to guess she is about 4 years old.
 
  I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the
 stool... I will try to check her stool more closely.
 
  So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that
 and I will let you know.  Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the
 basement, near her potty for awhile?  I had one other response, and he
 said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking.
  I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may
 have gotten scared and it just sorta ran out...
 
  What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here,
 and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed
 again?  I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well?
 
  Thanks again for your time and knowledge:
 
  Tricia
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 
 
 
  Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is.  It is usual to re-test for
 FeLV after 3 months.  Since she used to be outside has she been treated for
 worms?  That may be why her stools are soft.  Many add some canned plain
 pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a
 kitty has diarrhea.   Usually start out with 1 tsp.
 
  I've never used Tylosin Tartrate.  Here is a link to more info
  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html
  Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis.
 
  You need to treat the diarrhea.  FeLV is probably not the reason she has
 it
 
  Sharyl
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
 
 
 
  Hello,
 
  I'm hoping someone can help me
 
  We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats.   A friend decided
 to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots,
 spay and declaw.  She found out she has  feline leukemia.  She kept her for
 about a month, but I guess she was making a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-12-02 Thread katskat1
Another possibility I suppose but I don't notice any odor.  I have to
have that done to my dogs on occassion.

Thanks

K

On 12/2/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Maybe clogged anal sacs?  I know this happens most often to dogs but my
 dad's cat Jerry used to get it also and it caused him to smell bad and walk
 weird until the vet expressed them.  He had to have this done about twice a
 year.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

2012-12-02 Thread katskat1
Never having seen a scorpion laughing, I am kindof sorry I missed that.

Kat

P.S.  I am right on the cusp of  libra and scorpio. October 23.  I
still would have squished the sucker.  He attacked first!

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 Brown scorpions are the nasty type.  I was zapped by a regular generic type
 scorpion.  I'm idiotically superstitious. I was born at the end of October.
 Scorpio.  I wouldn't harm a scorpion for anything.  Really bad luck. So I
 walked away from the encounter yowling and the scorpion walked away
 laughing.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat

2012-11-28 Thread katskat1
Oh yeah, there is a saliva test.  The vet takes a swab from inside the
cheek of the cat, then puts it in a test tube with purified water and
maybe something else, I don't know.  If the swab turns blue within 5
minutes the cat is supposedly positive.  Then, if it hasn't turned
blue, she takes it out and puts it in a different solution that is
supposed to make it turn blue to confirm she had a good test.



On 11/26/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Both ELISA/SNAP and IRA use blood drawn from the cat.  The saliva test is
 something else entirely.  I think it is supposed to test in much the same
 way as the ELISA/SNAP for the same thing.  I don't think there's a saliva
 test that tests for the virus in the bone marrow (IFA).  Anyone have a
 definite answer to this?



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 neighbors too!






 From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com
To: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat


Oops wait a minute I re read your email.  It is the other way around isn't
 it.  SNAP/ELISA is the saliiva test and the IFA is the blood test for bone
 marrow?
Kt
Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
OK so the ELISA/SNAP is the one blood is drawn for and the IFA is the
 saliva test right?
Thanks.  That helps a lot!
Kat
Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
The snap test is an ELISA test. The IFA is sent out to a lab  costs around
 $100 depending on your area  tests to see if the virus is in the bone
 marrow, meaning the cat will not throw off the virus.



Beth


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 From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com
To: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat


So which is the snap test?  Or is it something else??
Kat
Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't just get the IFA, as they are skewed towards false negatives.
  ELISAs are skewed towards false positives, so if you do the IFA, it would
 be to reconcile with the ELISA.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

I don't much trust tests anyway but if you want to get a more accurate
 test, in a month do the IFA test on him.  I had an adult cat who tested
 strong positive.  I kept him for 3 months in a separate room, tested again
 and it was negative but because he would be mixed in with my many rescues,
 I had the IFA test done and it was also negative.  Moses has been living
 with 20 of my rescues for the past 6 years now.




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 neighbors too!






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat


I have a 6 1/2 month old rescued kitten.  He tested FelV pos. at
8 weeks old and I just had him tested again.  This time the results
were a light pos.  They told me it just barely turned positive on
the test.  Would this indicate he is in the process of throwing off
the virus? I LOVE this kitten so much.  He is such an affectionate
boy, and I'm praying I don't lose him.  So many FelV positive cats
don't make it past aa year or so.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting cat wet the bed

2012-11-05 Thread katskat1
Just an FYI, just about any waterproof mattress cover you get will
involve plastic/rubberized plastic in order to be - waterproof.  You
will find it reflects your body heat which is great in the winter but
can sometimes be a bit warm in the summer!  I even tried putting two
fitted sheets on the mattress over the top of the cover.  But for an
Ohio winter it is as good as having an electric blanket!

kat

PS.  Oz and Miss Kitty are doing well altho both are disinclined to
leave the master bath.  Oz tried it once and freaked out when one of
my dogs, Polar Bear, wanted to chase and play like he does with my
other cats.  Of course, Polar Bear is about 75# with a mass of long
white fur (kindof like a white chow chow) so that could have been part
of it.  Had to wrap Oz in a sweatshirt and take him hissing and
howling back to the bathroom!

k

On 11/5/12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are lots of good waterproof mattress pads.  None of mine have an
 issue but I use them anywaythey aren't the plastic crinkledy type
 and are very comfortable.

 Odo Ban is my favorite.
 On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Martha Walton wrote:

 The kittens were recently wormed for round worms.  The owner is
 taking them to the vet today at 10:30.  The kittens had thrown up 
 more diarrhea overnight.

 I have another problem that I need help with.  One of my cats peed
 on the bed yesterday, urine down to the matress.
 I need some odor spray recommendations.
 Also, does anybody recommend some kind of waterproof mattress pad
 cover?


 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 Were they dewormed?  Shots are one thing but deworming is important
 even if the test for worms is negative.  Most kittens from street
 moms or who have been abandoned have worms.  Deworming is done
 prophylactically by most rescue organizations.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and
 nasty neighbors too!


 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

 It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria
 in their gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is
 making them sick?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves
 khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses,
 too?   Last I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most
 died), they wouldn't use ``controversial'' Tamiflu.   My friend's
 vet saved her litter that way.


 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its
 bacterial. I had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me
 and I could not catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all
 started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I
 had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats
 at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like toxic
 shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting
 everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next
 year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats.
 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-:

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Kathryn  Christiane.
 Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool  no blood
 in the vomit.

 She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet.  I
 have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but
 they will not eat it.  The kittens will lap up a little water, but
 nothing excessive.  Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the
 water.

 Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday  Friday.  I gave
 them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety
 Instinct.  Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food.

 I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM.
 The kittens have had the first round of shots  testing.  I have
 called their human parents twice and left two messages.

 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
  wrote:
 Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a
 change of food when they came to your house?

 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
 Behalf Of Martha Walton
 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

 I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend.  The
 kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned
 their nose up at food.  Today neither kitten is eating and they
 are both throwing up water.  Yesterday one of the kittens had
 diarrhea.  Neither has done #2 today.  Both kittens are playful,
 drinking water and alert, but I am 

Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty

2012-11-05 Thread katskat1
Thanks all.

Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since.  When
I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was
drink water and sleep.  Now he is up and about, tried leaving the
bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog
tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought.  Miss Kitty hisses at
everybody so they hiss back.  It will take a while.

I did get some felaway today to keep on hand.

Kat

On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and
 vaccinations.  Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy
 to get her exam and vaccinations.

 Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as
 Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks.  My other cats seem to be
 jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they
 were here first - or something!

 So far they are both doing well.

 Kat


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Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty

2012-11-05 Thread katskat1
Lee,

I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have
to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and,
hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats.  I suspect he may
end up being a loner but that remains to be seen.

As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the
bedrooms.  I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in
the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat
marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom.  I
found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to
neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats.

As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as
another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and
he loves it.  The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz
showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around.
Again, time will tell.

k

On 11/5/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get
 used to each other and set ground rules.  As for Oz and spraying, it's
 sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad
 idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and
 never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid
 odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are
 neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be
 washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant.  Most of my
 enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living
 with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they
 didn't have to set territorial boundaries.  Now they stick to having a hissy
 fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real
 battle or full wall spray job in over two years.  My problem here is that
 lots
  of the cats think outside of the box.  This is an issue that calls for a
 plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a
 plastic bag to drop it in.  After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and
 pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day.  Sigh.  For
 this I needed a college degree.



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 neighbors too!






 From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty


Kat, you have such a big heart.  Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines.  Thanks
 everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals  their humans.


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks all.

Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since.  When
I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was
drink water and sleep.  Now he is up and about, tried leaving the
bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog
tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought.  Miss Kitty hisses at
everybody so they hiss back.  It will take a while.

I did get some felaway today to keep on hand.

Kat

On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and
 vaccinations.  Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy
 to get her exam and vaccinations.

 Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as
 Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks.  My other cats seem to be
 jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they
 were here first - or something!

 So far they are both doing well.

 Kat


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat

2012-11-05 Thread katskat1
PandieAnn

that is a great idea on the Joann's rubber sheeting but I don't see
how you can buy it by the bolt!  I checked on it and it is $15 for 1yd
x 36 wide (3' x 3').  I have to drive over an hour for the nearest
store but it I will probably go buy a couple of yards at least when my
next SS check comes!

I have a mattress protector on my bed and it is Ohio wintertime right
now so I am good to go on that but the sheeting will be great for the
back seat of the car and the cargo area on the Blazer!!!

Thanks

k

On 11/5/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey, I never realized that.  This will be awesome for car seats if I ever
 get a car and go back to doing TNR!  It's also great for my new futon.  Most
 of my waterproof pads have been over washed and have cracks that can leak
 through.  Thanks for the information.



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 From: pandie...@aol.com pandie...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat



i use waterproof rubber sheeting purchased at joann's fabric store.
 Looks like white cotton and works like magic.  cover furniture with
 it.  then just throw in the washer when someone misbehaves.  I buy by
 the bolts.  jo'ann's has coupons 50-60% off so well worth it.  nothing
 ever seeps through.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Waterproof sheeting

2012-11-05 Thread katskat1
So where can you get the 1/2 off coupons???

k

On 11/5/12, pandie...@aol.com pandie...@aol.com wrote:




 
  From: pandie...@aol.com
 To: marthawal...@gmail.com
 Sent: 11/5/2012  1:10:55 P.M. Central Standard Time
 Subj: Re: Waterproof sheeting



 Rubber Sheeting White
 # 1491315 (I don't know how to do link to you but using your  link this is
 the #)
 reg. 14.99.  it is half off or more when you use one of  their coupons.
 Years ago, it came in a lot of different prints.  i  have only found white
 in the past couple of years.  unfortunately, I  don't think it caught on or

 people just don't know about it .
 I had a baby store and discovered.  Became one of my  best sellers.  People

 loved to line their cribs with it - is 100%  cotton.  I also used on my
 mattress when I was carrying for my dying  brother and elderly parents.  I
 would cut to size I needed (just snip and  tear).   I guarantee 100%.  comes
 out
 like new after washing  and putting in dryer.
 A stress reliever for sure for those of us in rescue.


 In a message dated 11/5/2012 12:52:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
 marthawal...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello-
 I saw your posting about the waterproof sheeting sold  at Joanns.
 I think I know what you are talking about, but I was wondering  if you
 could find it on their website for me and send me back the name or  link.
 _http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48_
 (http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48)

 It  is a great solution, I could even make some slipcovers from the
 material.

 Thanks so much, the experience of others makes having cats  much, much
 easier.

 Martha





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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-30 Thread katskat1
Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of  snow since last nite when we started
this conversation.  Don't know what the rest of the world looks like but it
is nasty here.  Did your brother make it home?  I will still meet him, it
may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and plows haven't
been around yet.  Will wait to hear from him.  What is his name by the way?

Yes, I have always been a night person.  Some of us just are I guess.
 Internal clock is faulty or something.

Kat

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been
much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like
me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(:

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is even further for me as I  am 2 hrs S/SW of Col.  Ask him to bring
cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow.

 Again, 937 466 2840  I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear
from him.

 Kathy

 On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kay
 Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(:

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho.
 What campsite is ur brothet at?  Campsite might be closer for me than w
jefferson?


 kat

 On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight
to you know where if there is such a place.  I have met a few nice sisters
at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They
maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in
spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about
FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on
them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived
in the cabin and get the police on her ass.  I do believe that in any
state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in
this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you
dump your kids out on the road and take off.  Sigh!  Am I getting cynical
or what...

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one
where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about
the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his
truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter
said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw
the cat off a bridge.  Yep, THOSE compassionate people?
pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people)

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the
area.  Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something
permanent can be found for the poor kitty.  Aren't churches supposed to
extend compassion to non-human animals also?


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and
freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow.
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:

 Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
 From: westnint...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him
to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him

 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Hi guys
 Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an
abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat
, made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for
the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind
chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone
will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-30 Thread katskat1
He just called me and we are probably going to try to get together tomorrow
cause of the weather.  He says there are two cats, the other a smaller
black one, but it is very shy and he may not be able to catch it.

He said the snow is letting up there so he is going to a local vet to get
more food and a couple of cardboard cat carriers.  I have his phone number
so we will work something out.

By the way, I like your brothers voice!  Deep voices like his that resonate
are so pleasant to hear!

kat

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 His name is Craig.  Wow, that's a lot of snow!

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:44 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of  snow since last nite when we
started this conversation.  Don't know what the rest of the world looks
like but it is nasty here.  Did your brother make it home?  I will still
meet him, it may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and
plows haven't been around yet.  Will wait to hear from him.  What is his
name by the way?

 Yes, I have always been a night person.  Some of us just are I guess.
 Internal clock is faulty or something.

 Kat

 On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been
much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like
me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(:

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is even further for me as I  am 2 hrs S/SW of Col.  Ask him to
bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow.

 Again, 937 466 2840  I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear
from him.

 Kathy

 On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kay
 Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(:

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho.
 What campsite is ur brothet at?  Campsite might be closer for me than w
jefferson?


 kat

 On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go
straight to you know where if there is such a place.  I have met a few nice
sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that.
They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent,
in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable
about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had
cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out
who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass.  I do believe that in
any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course,
in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you
dump your kids out on the road and take off.  Sigh!  Am I getting cynical
or what...

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one
where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about
the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his
truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter
said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw
the cat off a bridge.  Yep, THOSE compassionate people?
pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people)

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Is there a church nearby or a church or t
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread katskat1
On Monday, October 29, 2012,  dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 -If he has been on his own before, he should emember how to hunt.  Is
there on one at the camp all winter?  soeone who could be persuded to give
 him some food.-

 -- Edna Taylor  wrote:   But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed
him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or
vet's office than left to die :(  From: cougarcl...@gmail.com  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home   straw/pine needles etc
are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after
a rain/snow.  On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a
shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(   Date: Mon, 29 Oct
2012 13:04:23 -0700  From: westnint...@yahoo.com  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs
home   Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm.
Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him  From: Marcia 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home   Hi guys  Are any of you
in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother
is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat
and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its
curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would
eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? 
Thanks  Marcia   Sent from my iPhone 
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i am in s ohio.  what is status of this cat?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread katskat1
On Monday, October 29, 2012, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Monday, October 29, 2012,  dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 -If he has been on his own before, he should emember how to hunt.  Is
there on one at the camp all winter?  soeone who could be persuded to give
 him some food.-

 -- Edna Taylor  wrote:   But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed
him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or
vet's office than left to die :(  From: cougarcl...@gmail.com  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home   straw/pine needles etc
are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after
a rain/snow.  On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a
shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(   Date: Mon, 29 Oct
2012 13:04:23 -0700  From: westnint...@yahoo.com  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs
home   Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm.
Get him to the Bronx I am in Hillsboro, Oh.  Tell yor brother to take cat
home and call me tomorrow.  I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere
to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love.  I will spay/neuter if
necessary and give a good home.  Surely he can  keep his dog away from it
for 1 day?

Kathy G.  937-466-2840   I have an answering machine and screen calls so
tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned
cat and I will pick up phone.  I will stay home til  2pm tomorrow to wait
for his call.
N Y and I'll take him  From: Marcia   To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home   Hi guys  Are any of you in
Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is
at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and
the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its
curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would
eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? 
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 i am in s ohio.  what is status of this cat?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread katskat1
Marcia

I am in Hillsboro, Oh.  Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me
tomorrow.  I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat
and add to the 8 I have and love.  I will spay/neuter if necessary and give
a good home.  Surely he can  keep his dog away from it for 1 day?

 Kathy G.  937-466-2840   I have an answering machine and screen calls so
tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned
cat and I will pick up phone.  I will be home between 8am and  2pm tomorrow
to wait for his call.


pls confirm you have received this and contacted him.  thx

Kat
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread katskat1
I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho.
 What campsite is ur brothet at?  Campsite might be closer for me than w
jefferson?


kat

On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight
to you know where if there is such a place.  I have met a few nice sisters
at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They
maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in
spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about
FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on
them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived
in the cabin and get the police on her ass.  I do believe that in any
state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in
this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you
dump your kids out on the road and take off.  Sigh!  Am I getting cynical
or what...

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one
where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about
the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his
truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter
said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw
the cat off a bridge.  Yep, THOSE compassionate people?
pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people)

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the
area.  Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something
permanent can be found for the poor kitty.  Aren't churches supposed to
extend compassion to non-human animals also?


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and
freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow.
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:

 Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
 From: westnint...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him
to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him

 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Hi guys
 Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an
abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat
, made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for
the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind
chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone
will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving
tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread katskat1
That is even further for me as I  am 2 hrs S/SW of Col.  Ask him to bring
cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow.

Again, 937 466 2840  I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear
from him.

Kathy

On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kay
 Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(:

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho.
 What campsite is ur brothet at?  Campsite might be closer for me than w
jefferson?


 kat

 On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight
to you know where if there is such a place.  I have met a few nice sisters
at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They
maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in
spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about
FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on
them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived
in the cabin and get the police on her ass.  I do believe that in any
state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in
this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you
dump your kids out on the road and take off.  Sigh!  Am I getting cynical
or what...

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one
where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about
the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his
truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter
said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw
the cat off a bridge.  Yep, THOSE compassionate people?
pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people)

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the
area.  Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something
permanent can be found for the poor kitty.  Aren't churches supposed to
extend compassion to non-human animals also?


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and
freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow.
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:

 Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(

 
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
 From: westnint...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him
to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him

 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

 Hi guys
 Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an
abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat
, made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for
the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind
chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone
will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving
tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it

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Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today

2012-05-21 Thread katskat1
It is a rotten, terrible, filthy disease and unfortunately only one of
several that take our fur-babies.  God loves them all and takes care
of them.  We mortals just have to take care of them for him for a
while til he tells them they have given us enough love and it is time
to go.

Thanks for loving Orlando.

Kat

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 Orlando had 4 wondeful years with you.  I truly understand the pain you feel
 now but don't forget those good years.  He will always be in your heaart
 Sharyl


 
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:47 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today



 It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time.
 His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped
 eating.  He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese
 boy.  The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and
 gave me a hug.  From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone
 and I will never see him again in this world.  He was about 10 when I
 adopted him and that was four years ago.  He would come up and bite me in
 the butt for attention when I was working on the computer.  If I got up at
 night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me.  Always.  I guess
 that was how I knew it was time.  On the last night he didn't do
 that.  He will be SO missed.  I hate hate hate this disease.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread katskat1
There are two sides - at least - to everything.

There was an article published by a gentleman nearby in Florida who
says he knew the Caboodle situation well, had visited often, had
helped when he could.  He said that many of the cats were simply
dumped there not dropped off with $150 but dumped cause the address
was known.  That they were in the (continual) process of vetting and
trying to identify cats that showed up that needed vetting and/or spay
neuter.

I think this guy was trying his best.  I think he may have been
vetting as he could but if people don't help, and continue to dump
their unwanted cats what do you do?

I don't know what is truly the case cause I never saw the place or met
the man but all indications are he had the animals best interest in
mind and did what he could til he drowned under the number of animals.

As for those who say he paid himself large amounts out of the money
donated to use for the cats, I don't see where $1000/month (or $12,000
a year) is a 'large amount' in anyone's book.  IF that is true as
reported.  And if he spend his time trying to do the best for the
cats, as a full time job it is legally allowed for him to take enuff
to pay electric, groceries, etc.  I was living on a very little over
that amount for almost 2 years and it is NOT a lot of money.

And I am VERY concerned PETA is involved.  They are butchers and I
will never have anything to do with them except disagree with them.
They kill animals and lie thru their teeth.

Anyway, right or wrong, I would like to hear it all before judging him
guilty.  I doubt he is 100% innocent or 100% guilty but as far as the
world is concerned he is already judged.  Not sure that is right.

K.

On 3/7/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
  My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
 everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
 now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
 as we are able (including going to far lengths both
 medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
 friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
 they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
 colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
 individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
 recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
 live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
 dietary management and supplements.

 I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
 is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
 reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
 control the population otherwise either.

 I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
 fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
 good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
 I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
 cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
 facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
 people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
 guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
 right into carriers.

 I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
 even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
 brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
 for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
 needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
 either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
 doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.

 It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
 and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
 life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
 choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
 the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
 that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
 believe it's wrong for them to take homes from healthy cats--an opinion
 that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
 their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the
 overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very
 good job at it just like some owners do not.  We are making the best of a
 bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation
 problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the
 streets, 

Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us

2011-11-28 Thread katskat1
The angelbluemist site is absolutely gorgeous!  You'll cry but it will help.

Kat

On 11/28/11, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 I am so sorry about Buddy!

 If you really want to talk to him, have you considered contacting a really
 good animal communicator? I have been in contact with Binkey last week, who
 had to be euthanized this morning, and in a few days, will have my AC
 contact him. Binkey was a silver colored, long-haired gorgeous cat who was
 selfless and absolutely fantastic with people and other animals!

 Natalie



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R.
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:20 PM
 To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us





 This was just what I needed today.  My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon
 whom I adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning.  He was about 9 years
 old, maybe more.  He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I
 adopted him to be a companion to my other positive cat.  I am grateful that
 the end came quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken.  He was the best cat
 ever.  He came running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and
 snuggled on my lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the
 other cats we have taken in. He had no meow, just a croak, but had the
 most eloquent eyes.  Many times I wished he could talk.  I know that a piece
 of him will be with me until we meet again.

 Leah

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 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us




 For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one of my
 all time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings.

 Credit to the writer:  Terri Onorato

 http://www.angelbluemist.com/aplaceforus.html


   

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

2011-11-19 Thread katskat1
Maureen-

Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones who fights it off.  Whether
she does or not, I will always be ready to take her and love her for
as long as she has.

I am willing to bet she and Koko Kitty (the blind terror) would
totally tear the house apart playing with each other.  Add in the 75#
Samoyed mix, Polar Bear and the puppy, Charlie and I will pitch a tent
to live in and give them the house!

If you keep her that is great but be sure I would LOVE to give her a
home with my fur babies if you aren't able to.

Let me know how she does no matter what your decision!

Kat

On 11/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Kat.

 I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster
 failures as it is!  I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for
 more of them.  If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can
 always stay with me.  Don't worry, I won't be putting her down.

 I'll definitely think about your offer though.  I might need a nice drive to
 KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days  ;-) Really
 though, I will think about it.  I have a couple of friends with family up
 that way so I might find out when they're heading up.  I'll let you know.
 You would totally love her.  She is so sweet.  She really loves attention
 and follows me around.  Kind of a laid back little girl.  She likes to play
 of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out.

 I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance
 of extinguishing the virus.  I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight
 off the virus but you just never know.  I'm going to wait a couple weeks
 before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if
 there's a way to work out the transporting.

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain

 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500
 From: katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

 Maureen
 I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
 years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
 of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
 house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
 I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.

 That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
 be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
 can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
 can't find her a home?

 She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
 with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
 definitely would not lack for play opportunities.

 Has she been spayed?

 If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
 her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
 with me.

 I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.

 Thanks
 kat

 On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know
  of
  any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
  concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies
  vaccine,
  a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given,
  which to
  me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only
  recognized
  for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks
  that
  is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
 
  Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
  2010.
 
  On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
  since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
  others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.
  Maybe
  I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over -
  vaccinating
  too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like
  Beth
  that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt
  her
  out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
  Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to
  the
  lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
  since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  Im going to follow up with
  an
  IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so
  that
  will tell me if she has a 

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available

2011-11-19 Thread katskat1
Can't/won't she mix them?  I have mixed neg/pos for years with no
problem as long as the negatives are up to date on the dreaded FeLV
shots.

Kat

On 11/19/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 The woman trying to help the cat on Chincoteague Island sent me some
 additional information, so I thought I'd share it here.

 He only has 11 days to find a home, foster, or rescue. Please feel free to
 crosspost.

 Thanks,
 Cindy

 Here's the info she sent:

 There is a resident population of feral cats at Tom's Cove Campground.  Some
 of the people living there put food out.  Occasionally a cat is trapped and
 taken to
 an area vet.  Storm showed up after Hurricane Irene.  He was trapped and
 taken to the vet to get shaved down because he was badly matted and infested
 with fleas.  At the vet's it was discovered he was already neutered.  His
 ears were not notched and he has no microchip.

 Storm has not shown any aggression at all.  He is fed separately, but the
 other cats don't bother him.  He is not feral.  I was asked if I would take
 him home with me when I visited in October.  I took him to the local vet to
 be tested and that is when it was discovered that he is FeLV+.  I have a 3yo
 female cat who is FeLV-.  There is no way I could keep him separated from my
 cat.

 While the rest of the colony will survive the winter, it is doubtful if
 Storm would make it through the winter outside and without a regular source
 of food.  The campground where he is now closes at the end of November.  I
 honestly think he would make a wonderful pet.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

2011-11-18 Thread katskat1
Maureen
I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.

That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
can't find her a home?

She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
definitely would not lack for play opportunities.

Has she been spayed?

If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
with me.

I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.

Thanks
kat

On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
 any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
 concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
 a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
 me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
 for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
 is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.

 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
 2010.

 On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
 since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
 others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
 I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
 too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
 that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
 out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
 Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
 lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
 since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  Im going to follow up with an
 IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
 will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
 point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.

 Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you
 from bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and
 they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two
 years old.  No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV
 kitty.  The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you
 test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't
 had time to show on the snap test.  Not a comforting thought I know.

 Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV
 kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating.  I just knew
 her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot.
 But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just
 can't put her down.  I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt
 I'll be successful.  But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one
 room and play.

 Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study
 done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or
 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later.  And that was just the
 normal one year rabies vaccine.  Crazy huh?  I think the American
 Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination
 protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend
 vaccinating as much as possible.


 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain

 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

 I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv.
 Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat
 contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the
 vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever
 outside the house.  They were not exposed to 

Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

2011-10-08 Thread katskat1
I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
(currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
series of vaccinations.


On 10/8/11, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote:
 My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
 cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
 and they are checked yearly



 
 From: JoAnn Fredo lt;jufr...@yahoo.comgt;
 To: quot;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgquot;
 lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt;
 Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten


 Message body
 I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
 and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
 Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
 never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
 problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
 my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
 we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative. This past Friday my
 neighbor#39;s daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
 wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
 everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
 positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
 stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann

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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread katskat1
There is NO WAY these kittens need to be aborted if it is FIV - not
even if he was FeLV+ !  Way too late to do it safely for momma and
each kitten would have to be killed individually.  This vet has some
very questionable ideas  They should be find, momma should be
fine.  Get her 'fixed' after the kittens are weaned.

On 10/3/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Please DO  NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be
 just fine!

 Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It's a lot different than FeLV

 I can guarantee that they will be fine.

 DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed!

 I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if
 that's OK!

 I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp



 Hi
 i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
 positive for feline aids
 i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
 The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
 Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??



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Re: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat

2011-10-02 Thread katskat1
I'm not sure, but a couple of locations list his name(s) as
FrankenLouie.  Macabre but cute sortof?

On 10/2/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 Oh, bless his little heart! Happy birthday, Frank and Louie, and many more!
 And to his human, brava!



 Diane R.



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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat



 http://www.care2.com/greenliving/two-faced-cat-celebrates-12th-birthday.html


 There's also a video





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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

2011-09-09 Thread katskat1
Thanks!

On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do NOT vaccinate against FIV - no reason.  Healthy cats and FIV+ cats can
 live together and NOT get infected, unless they fight and exchange
 blood/saliva! They can live for a very long time, too - but you have to make
 sure that they get good nutrition, supplements, check their gums and teeth
 often, and at the slightest sign of a sniffle, immediately treat!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:13 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

 YIKE!  I hadn't heard that.  Carcinogenic?  How?  And how/where can I go for
 more info?  I want to stop getting my fur-babies that shot if this is the
 case.

 Thanks
 kat

 On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Absolutely useless vaccine, and probably carcinogenic, too!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

 ...and there is a lot of controversy about if it really does help
 prevent FIV.


 - Original Message -
 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV


 Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their
 neutered they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no
 danger of transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for
 the company and the vet.

 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV.
 Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will
 forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination.


 On 09-07, katskat1 wrote:
 Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX
 positives and negatives with the following caveat:

 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV 2. After
 initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting
 period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others can
 confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
 3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait
 until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination
 and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
 4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV
 (whichever they are positive for)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

2011-09-08 Thread katskat1
YIKE!  I hadn't heard that.  Carcinogenic?  How?  And how/where can I
go for more info?  I want to stop getting my fur-babies that shot if
this is the case.

Thanks
kat

On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Absolutely useless vaccine, and probably carcinogenic, too!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

 ...and there is a lot of controversy about if it really does help prevent
 FIV.


 - Original Message -
 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV


 Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their
 neutered they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no
 danger of transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the
 company and the vet.

 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV.
 Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will
 forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination.


 On 09-07, katskat1 wrote:
 Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives
 and negatives with the following caveat:

 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV
 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a
 waiting period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others
 can confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
 3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until
 the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at
 least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
 4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever
 they are positive for)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV

2011-09-07 Thread katskat1
I have mixed neg/pos for years now as long as neg is vaccinated AND
NOT a youngster.  The kittens/young cats are much more susceptible and
I always keep them separate until they are older and are several
months past both initial vaccination and boosters.

Kat

On 9/7/11, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I agree.  I mixed positives and negatives since 2001 and never had a
 problem.  Just as long as your negatives are vaccinated, they should be
 fine.  I see no need to segregate them.

 =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
   - Original Message -
   From: Gloria B. Lanemailto:gbl...@aristotle.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:42 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


   Same here.  When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in
 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented.  I've mixed
 mine with my others for several years, no problem.  All mine are altered and
 sit around and eat and sleep.


   Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not,
 2) they're not that contagious,  3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live
 as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old,
 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try.  Oh yeah, and always
 questions your vets advice   :)


   Gloria




   On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:


   The virus isn't airborne.
   it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV
 cats,but they r with my other cats.

   --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson
 cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:


 From: April Johnson
 cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM


 Hi Dot,

 This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy
 lives in a bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat
 tree and a sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know
 she had it.  I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet
 a week later.  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting
 the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't
 test, I had no idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just
 looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5.

 From: dot winkler
 venus7ora...@yahoo.commailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com
 To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


 Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one
 year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known
 since June when she had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well
 now.  Very healthy and playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I
 have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats
 and have to keep them separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her
 down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you
 have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her
 bone marrow.  Are there different stages?  I am not sure totally about the
 disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the
 leukemia.  So, it is all new to me also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)


 From: April Johnson
 cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update


 Hi,

 A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had
 adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I
 was questioning whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her
 blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her results came in
 yesterday, it's in her bone marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for
 her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full.  I think I would
 need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right?
 I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do.

 April

 

Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT

2011-09-07 Thread katskat1
Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives
and negatives with the following caveat:

1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV
2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a
waiting period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others
can confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until
the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at
least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever
they are positive for)

I would suggest you get input on the above from others on this site
who are FAR more knowledgeable then I am but that is what I have been
doing for years now and so far have had NONE of my negatives become
positive for either disease.

kat

On 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:
 this is what I found off the internet.  I didn't hear that about making
 threw the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over.  I
 know she's lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family.  She
 was accepted by all the other cats.  I'm torn between trying to find her
 another cat with FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself.  Spicy
 actually named herself.  We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted
 to name the other cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange.  Well Spicy
 kept answering to the name.  Now Spicy is black and I never thought of
 naming a black cat Spicy, but she had other ideas.  I like the name Chloe we
 had a cat for 14 years named Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's
 shutdown.

  The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the
 infection and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never
 gets sick itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the
 cat has a compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the
 development of lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease.
 Although it is thought that virus protein has to be present to induce
 lymphomas in cats, newer evidence shows that a high percentage of
 FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a hit-and-run
 mechanism of virus induced tumor development.[1]
 Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV
 infection:
   * Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx 
 where it
 infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes and
 macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes and
 begin to replicate.
   * Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute
 throughout the body.
   * Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack
 infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution
 throughout the body.
   * Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take
 over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the
 hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected.
 If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto:
   * Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the virus
 will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus
 replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils
 (white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell
 formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell).
   * Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and
 glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on
 exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts,
 and organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues
 including salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines,
 trachea, nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and
 sebaceous ducts from the muzzle.

 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT


 Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease
  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What
 does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five
 stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is
 it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks
 my heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows
 from the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt
 her out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name
 Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot

 From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Re: [Felvtalk] reply

2011-09-07 Thread katskat1
As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can
let us know where you live so we can try and help?

Kat

On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone
 passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving
 quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I
 use fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at
 peak and bette able to resist infections.


  Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've
 mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV
 cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get
 Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except
 for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to
 isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions
 among vets some more flexible than others.

 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been
  mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is
  risky.  There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And
  they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first
  fever.  I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The
  other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more
  susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the
  Leukemia booster.
  I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get
  along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion
  get along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become
  territorial.  Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe
  has been out of the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one
  other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.
  But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
 
  From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
  Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I
  see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've
  mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
 
  My 2 cents.
 
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
  furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi
  =^..^=
  - Original Message -
  From: dot winkler
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
 
  Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the
  disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the
  5 stages?  What does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make
  it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the
  disease.  Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My
  cat is so lonely.  It breaks my heart.  She wants to play with the
  others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the
  two of them.  I really would love to adopt her out.  Just having a hard
  time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
 
  From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
  Hi Dot,
 
  This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in
  a bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree
  and a sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know
  she had it.  I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the
  vet a week later.  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed
  getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her
  from didn't test, I had no idea.  So for a week she was with my other
  cats.  I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in
  stage 5.
  From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
 
  Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old,
  pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since
  June when she had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.
   Very healthy and playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I
  have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative
  cats and have to keep them separated.  

Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more

2011-09-05 Thread katskat1
Biotin?  I take it myself and get it at Walmart.  Same thing?


On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could
 get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready
 should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a
 night gown or jammies?



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more



 Natalie



 I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because
 of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a
 tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can
 focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-:



 Marcia

 On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International.  It's a
 great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats
 like it mixed into their food.
 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016
 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh
 ow=ExtInfo Sho
 w=ExtInfo


 Description/Instructions/Ingredients

 Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin
 and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building
 blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and
 proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners
 feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A
 safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines.
 Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy
 to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives.
 Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon
 contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin.
 Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day.
 Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day.
 A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets.
 Best when used with tender loving care!
 Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin.


 Guaranteed Analysis per ounce:

 Crude Protein 42 % (Min)
 Crude Fat..   4 % (Min)
 Crude FIber..   4 % (Max)
 Moisture...4 % (Max)
 Ash...   4 % (Max)
 Calcium.  0.05 % (Min)
   0.07 % (Max)
 Phosphorus...  0.87 % (Min)
 Salt...  0.027 % (Min)
   0.033 % (Max)


 Minerals (Min):
 Potassium:  1.78 %
 Magnesium:0.12 %
 Zinc:   5 mg
 Iron:   1 mg
 Copper:  2 mg
 Manganese:0.2 mg
 Selenium:0.03 mg

 Vitamins (Min):
 B12:  0.02 mcg
 Inositol: 119 mg
 Choline:  101 mg
 Biotin:  58 mg
 Niacin:  10 mg
 Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg
 Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg
 Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg
 P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg
 B6:  1 mg
 Folic Acid:  0.35 mg

 Features

 Helpful  effective for: dry skin, constant scratching, dull thin coat,
 excessive shedding.
 Contains biotin and essential fatty acids plus a wide spectrum of vitamins
 and minerals.
 Contains no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives.
 Each scoop contains 1.5 mg (1500 mcg) of Biotin. Feed 1/4 teaspoon (scoop
 provided) per 30 lbs of weight.
 4-8 months' supply for pets under 30 lbs.

 Recommended for biotin deficiencies which may cause:

 Dry, Itchy , Scaly Skin
 Seborrheic Dermatitis  Eczema
 Military Eczema in Cats
 Alopecia (Loss of Hair)
 Poor Coat Color and Coat Quality

 Cracked or Tender Pads
 Infected Toe Nails
 Stiffness in Aged Dogs and Cats
 Hindquarter Weakness
 Loss of Appetite
 Stress in Pregnancy and lactation




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 Herington, Kansas 67449

 Phone: 785-466-2501

 Cell:785-230-6499



  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

2011-08-31 Thread katskat1
Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial?
I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but
want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.

Thanks
Kat

On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:

 Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in
 Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.




 From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI


 Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for the last few weeks
 of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a
 bit longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com -
 if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet.  I
 was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible
 to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other
 up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous
 injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection.  The
 IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q
 injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose -
 something he didn't need and quickly wore him out.  Tcyte can also slow the
 inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer.  Many benefits with this
 stuff.  Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and
 will give you all the info you need.

 -- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

 On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
 wrote:





 Hi everyone
 I really need some help.
 fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the
 basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i
 cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and
 his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know
 what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the
 base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen
 such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't
 working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of
 improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to
 the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my
 vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is
 wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him
 What do I do
 Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK?

 Thanks so much
 Marcia


 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
 wrote:



 Where do you guys get LTCI?
 the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to
 have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the
 best place to get LTCI?

 hideyo

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 Herington, Kansas 67449
 Phone: 785-466-2501
 Cell:785-230-6499

  I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread katskat1
Just add this to the consideration.

To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer.  When a cat is 'declawed'
they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle.  Period.

Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle.

Kat

On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust
 to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean,
 torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w
 claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then
 grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who
 wants a cat ruined by declaw.

 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going
 without you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn
 themselves TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.
 I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have
 been declawed do absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks
 sometimes.

 I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a
 mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not
 been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet
 doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds.

 At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a
 nursing home.

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most
 devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more
 heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust
 me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if

 he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their
 paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that
 Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that
 they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
 cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I
 have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago,
 where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s
 oriental rug was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to
 adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the
 hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it.  It is probably the best
 I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing.

 Natalie



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM


 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


 Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
 program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

 I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
 death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
 them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going
 crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!



 There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I
 guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
 instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
 tenants’ own furniture!



 I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an
 older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er)
 cats).



 There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
 psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a
 few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but
 all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them
 out or kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications
 and dealt with the problems as well as they could.



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM


 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors



 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate
 enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is
 likely to require declawing.

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat
 with
 claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
 scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are
 a
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

2011-08-24 Thread katskat1
Gee!  Now you got me started on another topic.  Speaking of Homer's
Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old.  Eyes and
nose all gooey.  Siblings either run over or died shortly after being
taken off the road.  The person who rescued her called me cause she
knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do.

I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye
bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless.  2 days
later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency
surgery.  She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT
she tested negative for FeLV.  Awful young to assume I know but I had
her do the test anyway.  A couple days ago I took her in for her shots
and had her tested again.  Still negative.  I will have her tested one
more time when she goes in for spay.

Her name is Koko because:  1.  Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot)
word for 'night' which she will always be in.  2.  Koko was the name
of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and
had a huge vocabulary.  3.  Koko used her vocabulary to convince her
humans she wanted a kitten.  A REAL kitten.  She got one, and she
loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years.  COOL?

Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having.
She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from
hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to
realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she
has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is
having a blast with life.  I doubt she has ever been able to see cause
she was dumped while so young.  Next month she gets spayed and has an
umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever!

I gotta get/read that book.

 kat
^   ^
  ==




On 8/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 On 08-24, Natalie wrote:
Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December!  Great age, isn't it?

 It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's.
 Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78.

 Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

2011-08-23 Thread katskat1
I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
animals for several years now.

Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!

She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!

Sigh.

Tee hee.

Wonder what I'll be like at 80?

kat

On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
older, there ARE perks.

 Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
 I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
 if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-22 Thread katskat1
Christiane

Thank you for the info on heartworm.  I always wondered what had
actually make Sadi's heart stop.  Thought it was the worms but
apparently more than likely a clot.  I remember now that the medicine
was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards.  This
was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was
awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back.  She didn't seem to
care about anything but pay at the time of service.

Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank
goodness!  But appreciate the additional information. And now they
have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself?
Yuck.

Is Interceptor different than Heartgard?  Is one better than the
other?  I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less
expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty
stories about it too.  I was thinking/hoping it worked against
heartworm for cats?

Jeeze!  How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying
to help and love?

Kat

On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all
 alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases,
 euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to
 us! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left.
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and
 his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided
 that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't
 be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the
 treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and
 as he chewed on a toy, we let him go.   He was surrounded by people
 who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do :
 (  His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him.

 HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess
 that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued
 are HW+.



 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent
 until it
 gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all
 sorts
 of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
 Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very
 familiar
 w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American
 Heartworm
 Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are
 followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
 happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms.
 It
 does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the
 bloodstream in
 mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the
 more
 newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die
  can
 also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
 treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during
 treatment---not
 easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course
 is
 Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time,
 they die.
 Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.

 Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to
 this--the
 costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
 Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every
 month.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or
 technically
 she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she
 was found
 to have them.
 She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel
 cough but
 not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the
 country.
 A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and
 new vet
 said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and
 suggested we
 test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we
 left
 that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for
 sure if
 something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in
 the front
 yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night,
 nearest
 emergency vet was almost 2 hours away

Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-20 Thread katskat1
I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or
technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm
after she was found to have them.
She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel
cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog
in the country.
A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new
vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and
suggested we test.  She came back positive so he started the treatment
before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would
likely die for sure if something wasn't tried.  That night she came
home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die.  Her heart
stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away
but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and
they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone
books.  Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation
that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have
been able to do anything anyway.  Autopsy showed she had more worms
than heart left.
I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
Period.
Kat

On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds  but, if you've ever seen
 a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like,
 you'd err on the side of caution.  I'm in NY and we've gone to year round.
 While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from
 warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time.  A NY mosquito bites a
 Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance.  And these
 days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with their pets.  Now there are
 places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for
 most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes
 live that any cat or dog is at risk.  But there are choices for HW meds...
 Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example.  Thing
 is that HW is a silent killer.  By the time the animal shows symptoms, the
 disease is well advanced.  And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real
 strain on the animal's system.  There are some newer protocols to reduce
 risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published.  Sadly,
 there is no treatment for cats.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs




   Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly
 diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up
 in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round
 heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called
 experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets,
 but the facts say their motives may be less pure.


  o
 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF
 YKZ8
 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY
 KZ8



   
 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article
 on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is
 also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions
 include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle
 tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact
 allergy.

 And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc.
 Important read!

   








   













   
   








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Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Wish List

2011-07-13 Thread katskat1
Understood.

Thanks again.

kat
On 7/13/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AnimalWishList/

 This is for individuals ONLY to ask for help with their pets.

 Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:06 PM

 Go to groups.yahoo.com  search for it. It is for individuals needing help
 with pets. No rescue groups.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat


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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-12 Thread katskat1
Thank you

On my way there now.

Kat

On 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Go to groups.yahoo.com  search for it. It is for individuals needing help
 with pets. No rescue groups.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on
 payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I

Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Again, thanks to all of you.  Been a great help.

Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
the 18th.  Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
sutures out this Wed the 13th.  I guess a few more days with sutures
won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
afraid to get them out.  duh!Oh well.

Surprisingly, Luke is a lover.  Loves to be picked up, loves to be
petted.  But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
nothing.  Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
hours.  Not doing that to her or me again.

So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do

Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
 If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
pulled~.

Kat


On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them.  Unlike
 dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
 Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at
 the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me.  She bites, scratches, screams
 and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems
 to do more harm than good.  If she needs meds, we head to the vet.  More
 hands to hld her down.  I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry
 that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.

  Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
 In-Reply-To:
 CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com

 Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
 care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
 You are very kind.

 Lorrie

 On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
  Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
  Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
  obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
   She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
  before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
 
  I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
   has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
  ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
 
  Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
  anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
  any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
  storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
  breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
  quality of whatever life she has
 
  Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
 
  kat
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal
Wish List.  You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I
don't have one.  And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want
the money to go directly to my vet right?  She would have to have an
account?  Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her
(she is out of town), etc.

I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke.

Kat

On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed
 point by point!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Beth and Natalie

 Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
 List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

 I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
 guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
 small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
 old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
 behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
 basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
 hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
 directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

 Kat

 On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-09 Thread katskat1
Ben,

I cried when you wrote about Dexter.  He sounds like he fought til he
just got too tired and did what he could to let you know it was time
for him to move on.  It is so hard to make that choice.  Makes you
feel like you are 'playing' God sometimes but I think He knows and
gives us that 'power' to use wisely, judiciously and to help our
fur-babies when necessary. And Dexter knew, he told you, and now he's
healthy, happy and waiting for you to show up.

Anyway, you say you can get Interferon at vetcentric.com but neither
of my vets are registered with them and apparently they have to have a
vet Rx to ship anything so.

Is what you get from them the Virbagen Interferon Omega or the human
stuff?  If it is the Virbagen Interferon Omega and you have some, can
I ask what state you are in?  I am in Ohio but if you have some of the
Omega available I would like to know if you would give me your address
so I can send you $ for shipping some to me?

How long does it last?  What is the dosage?  Do you refrigerate it?
Freeze it?  Etc.  If you are willing/able to send some please respond
to me directly if possible.

katofo...@gmail.com

Thanks a zillion!  My FeLV+ kitty, Luke (I know, sick name but when
she tested positive I just started calling her my Luke Kitty and it
stuck.  What can I say?) will probably have all teeth pulled soon if I
can come up with the $.

She is having a hard time eating, seems to be losing appetite but
still purrs up a storm when scritched.  Refuses food with ANY meds;
L-Lysine, Amoxicillin, tooth meds, etc.; drinks a little kitten milk
replacement unless I try to mix any meds in it;  eats a very small
amount of canned food unless I add meds;  trying to syringe force her
gets me scratched, she spits most of it up and she and I both get VERY
stressed.  Her teeth are rotting.  She probably doesn't have long as I
can't afford much in the way of meds on unemployment but I want to
help her if I can so she has a good life as long as possible...

Bless all of you for the information, support and help you offer.
Hope to hear from you Ben.

Kat


On 7/9/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting.  Tried it once, no
 more!  Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards.  Androgravis is not
 too good either.  Best to disguise those 2.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis,
 and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used
 to
 cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people
 and animals.
 Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now,
 instead
 of waiting for cancer to return?

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere.  It is
 protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure
 someone else is lning his/her pockets.  Just as with human meds.  And
 then,
 after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA
 takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution.  Otherwise, why
 are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death.
 When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they
 can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after
 years
 of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision.  Why would I want
 to
 take them and have to deal with all that again?  My oncologist has said
 that
 if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood
 and
 assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals.  I refuse
 to
 go thru chemo again.  You may as well be dead.
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
  You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference
  and
  the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
  availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
  world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
  worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a
  drug
  that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
  else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
  Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
  However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
  in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the
  DEA
  and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
  Europe that contains the medication that I've been given 

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans

2011-07-09 Thread katskat1
Tee Hee...

I will pretend I didn't get these emails.  I will also pretend I have
never done that kind of thing myself.  What else can you do when the
Government/FDA works so hard to protect ourselves from ourselves?
(also known as make money)

Kat

On 7/7/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote:
 Hi Kat,

 I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth
 recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything

 I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly
 enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the
 vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.

 Cindy

 I can identify with that Cindy.  I recently got a bad cat bite and
 used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human
 Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm
 was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I
 saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin.  The last time I was
 bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin.
 Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names,
 so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to
 take for how long.

 Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-09 Thread katskat1
Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention
 the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread katskat1
Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty

2011-06-26 Thread katskat1
I know several dogs with similar symptoms who ended up having TICK
PARALYSIS.   I don't know if that happens with cats or not but you
might want to check.  As soon as the vet used a special tick collar
called PrevenTix the dog that was completely paralysed was up and
walking again.  He is now a service dog.

Again, don't know if similar can happen to cats and if there is a
PrevenTix collar for cats but suggest you check?

Kat

On 6/25/11, Casper casper...@gmail.com wrote:
 After you talk with the vet you will make the right decision. One data point
 is a kitten we rescued a few years ago had the dry form of FIP but was so
 alert and alive we decide to treat her symptoms till it no longer made
 sense. Towards the end she lost the use of her back legs and would drag
 herself around - which sounds pathetic but only if you never met her ... she
 was all kitten in her heart and would joyfully play and have fun. We kept
 her to a confined area and cleaned up after her several times a day.
 Towards the end everyday we asked ourselves if she was having more joy than
 discomfort. Of course finally we had to let her go.  Your love for IttyBitty
 will guide you to the right decision.

 On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 The clinic called with an update. Not sure it is good news, but he made it
 through the night. He is still not able to use his hind legs. He did not
 eat
 this moring but they said there was some interest, Moslty he lays on his
 left side and has a head tilt. Any one here with experience with this sort
 of problem? I am wondering how he will be once he is home. If there is
 going
 to be no improvement that would not be good. The Vet should be calling
 later
 any feedback would be a great help.

 And Melinda I hope VooDoo come back soon. I have been in your shoes
 before.

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Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo is missing

2011-06-24 Thread katskat1
Next time he comes around - and he probably will if he can find his
way - don't scare/chase him.  Take his toy, the food he likes (he will
be hungry) and SIT down somewhere where he can see and hear you.  Talk
to him, put the food out, rattle the toy, just talk like you did when
he was home and let him come to you.

If he doesn't come around, go where you think he may be hiding and do
the same.  DON'T go after him.  He is freaked out and needs things to
look, smell and sound as normal as possible to lure him back.

Good luck.

Kat

On 6/24/11, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 It is with a very heavy heart that I am asking for some positive energy from
 this group!  My son's friend left a door open last night and my little
 VooDoo escaped.  He is terrified of being outdoors and all attempts to
 capture him only scared him more!  We live on a military base and there are
 no wild animals to worry about and the speed limit on base is extremely
 slow.  My greatest concern is that around 2:00am, he tried to come home and
 we absolutely scared him to death trying to get him to bring him inside.
 (He hasn't been out since he came to us as a five week old kitten)  I'm
 worried that he might be afraid to come home.

 It breaks my heart to think of my little kissing bandit, hungry, scared
 and alone.  He doesn't tolerate dry food well and I know some of the
 residents where I suspect he is hiding puts it out for the few strays.  This
 is such a heavy burden for me and I am not taking it very well.  Please just
 send your positive thoughts our way.

 Thanks for listening.
 Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-24 Thread katskat1
Thanks Lynda

I am going to discuss with my vet altho I think I am OK as I have my
negatives tested annually and all have been 'clean' for 2+ years now.
Phew!

Kat

On 4/23/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 I've heard and read that testing for FeLV using tears and saliva is very
 inaccurate.  Blood test is the only way to go.  Tears and saliva are not as
 sensitive using these samples. I highly recommend using blood to test. Here
 is a link that may help you...your question is answered under What is a
 leukemia test?

 http://uvhberkeley.com/index.php?Page=felvFormat=print

 I hope your kitty tests negative. I'm experiencing the same right now. My
 cats last exposure was on March 10th. He was unknowingly exposed several
 times over a 6 mo. period. I'm pryaing hard that his immune system has
 cleared the virus and will be fine. I'll know for sure by this June.
 Good luck to you!
 Lynda

 - Original Message -
 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test


 In reading thru all this info I see where someone says using
 tears/saliva to do the ELISA test is notoriously inaccurate?  My
 vet has ALWAYS done it with a swab on the inner cheek of the mouth
 Do I need to talk to her?  Why so different if done with blood?
 Can the same test solutions be used?  She swabs. then puts the swab in
 a tube with a solution.  We then wait to see if it turns blue.  Blue
 means positive, staying clear means negative.

 Would appreciate any info.

 thanks
 Kat

 On 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote:
 Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another
 Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.

 So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now
 but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed
 info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk
 positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a
 month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or
 something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the
 ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the
 sanctuary) but I need your input.

 My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done
 for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out
 of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one
 hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame
 out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding
 under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the
 wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have
 that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with
 towels around also.

 Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

 I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my
 negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice
 cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance
 Poppy might have.

 Your thoughts, please please.

 Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-23 Thread katskat1
In reading thru all this info I see where someone says using
tears/saliva to do the ELISA test is notoriously inaccurate?  My
vet has ALWAYS done it with a swab on the inner cheek of the mouth
 Do I need to talk to her?  Why so different if done with blood?
Can the same test solutions be used?  She swabs. then puts the swab in
a tube with a solution.  We then wait to see if it turns blue.  Blue
means positive, staying clear means negative.

Would appreciate any info.

thanks
Kat

On 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote:
 Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another
 Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.

 So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now
 but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed
 info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk
 positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a
 month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or
 something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the
 ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the
 sanctuary) but I need your input.

 My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done
 for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out
 of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one
 hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame
 out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding
 under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the
 wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have
 that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with
 towels around also.

 Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

 I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my
 negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice
 cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance
 Poppy might have.

 Your thoughts, please please.

 Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Member

2011-04-06 Thread katskat1
You go Charles!  Sounds like you jumped in with both feet.
This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information.
FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of
them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary.  I have
one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old.  Don't know if she was
always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes
inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems.  I vaccinate
the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little
needed thank goodness.
Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are
so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and
understanding that try to help.

kat


On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:
 Charles
 Ya-hoo!  You have your hands full!  Plenty of folks on here have great
 experience and can help guide you.
 I'm just good for moral support.
 Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their
 health and happiness.
 Carry on!
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message -
 From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member


I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on
the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time.

 Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to
 me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping
 their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010

 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made
 friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat
 without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept.
 One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small

 black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The
 black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly.
 The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so
 bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all
 terms, watching out for him, washing him.

 Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick,
 I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he

 was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took
 care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming.
 So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house

 since Feb 14th and on:

 Prednisolone (1 pill a day)
 Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day)
 EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food)
 Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does)

 I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the
 FeLV. so hopefully it  works, cause I can not separate them at  all.

 I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for
 houseLOL)

 Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped
 Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny
 rabbit tail
 V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this
 Feb
 Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd

 The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy
 and lives and eats by a women down the block.

 Any suggestion would be so helpful!!
 thank you
 reneeny

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Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(

2011-04-02 Thread katskat1
Terrie
God has welcomed him.  And Heaven isn't Heaven without our beloved
animals so Taz and all the rest are purring their brains out in
welcome too.

Bless you

Kat

On 4/2/11, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am sorry for your loss. My prayers are with you that in time the pain will
 lessen, may you be comforted by your family and friends and may your dear
 husband rest in peace until you are together again.



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
 Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :(



 Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me.

 It is hard on me since we have been together for many years.

 He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in
 rescue.



 My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully
 in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again.



 He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially
 by my Taz as he loved him too.





 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
 http://tazzys.org/
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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.




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 From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

 Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's
 illness. He
 has
 liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
 hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed
 into a
 skill
 nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
 the
 hospital.

 He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped
 working.
 Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he
 wants for
 comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.

 I want to make myself available at all times for him.
 He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old
 but it
 isn't
 really.
 Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of
 this.
 Hospice
 is available to me 24 hours a day.

 Sincerely,
 Terrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws

2011-03-28 Thread katskat1
Or people who like to invent stories trying to prove invalid points.

On 3/28/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 Amen.
 On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Debbie Bates wrote:


 LOLmy thoughts exactly.

 Debbie
 ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more
 time ~



 From: taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:15:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws


 You just can't fix STUPID.

 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:17:59 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws

 Not only that, they allowed those cats to go out and one of them was
 attacked by a pack of dogs...huge vet bill! The cat recuperated
 pretty
 well, and then baby came

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT,
 BEVERLY
 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:30 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws

 Wow, what a bunch of D.A.s! Like my mama always said, Stupid people
 shouldn't breed. They should have found a GOOD home for the cats
 and
 euthanized themselves.



 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:50 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws

 I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT OLD PEOPLE AND
 THEIR
 THIN SKINS NOT WANTING TO BE SCRTACHED, BUT WHY WOULD A CAT SCRATCH
 ANYONE, UNLESS ONE HAS A FERAL CAT THAT'S TERRIFIED WHEN
 CORNEREDIT'S LIKE PEOPLE DECLAWING THEIR CATS WHEN A BABY COMES
 ALONG. If the cat hasn't scratched them, why would it scratch the
 baby
 - besides, it's better to be scratched than bitten anytime! Years
 ago,
 neighbors adopted a baby and had their two 4-yr old cats declawed,
 worrying about scratches, although the cats never scratched them.
 When
 baby arrived, one of the cats bit the baby in the hand - seriously
 (never, ever having attempted to bite the neighbors). The baby
 didn't
 even provoke the cat - it was just lying on the floor. Both cats
 were
 euthanized the next day.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-28 Thread katskat1
 it resolved as time is running out.  I have enough
  money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my
  cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem.
 
  Lorrie in WV
 
  On 02-25, katskat1 wrote:
   I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having
   several cats and dogs of my own.  In my 60's, live along female.  I
   finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing
   that makes me feel best.
  
   I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I
   couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in
   my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death.  This
   money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used
   specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to
   live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted
   or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets
   concur it is a medical neccessity.
  
   Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose.
  
   Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight?  I don't
   know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but
   I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if
   necessary and she has agreed.
  
   Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't
   visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced
   if possible.
  
   kat
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-28 Thread katskat1
Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for
senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and
have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats.  Of
course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I
take them out for Adoption Days but.

Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff for any of my
animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but
make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem.
Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing
extraction and I have had a boat load of animals.  Am I missing
something?  Where are these requirements in place?  And just for older
animals?

My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year.  All the
rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV
annually.

This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them
and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace.

K

On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:
 What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint,
 older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for
 adoption.  That includes dental which is so expensive.  Adopters are
 reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid
 of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions
 and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference.

 --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
 Some great ideas/questions!
 Thank you all and keep them coming.

 Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start
 receiving a
 small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the
 mortgage and
 food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate
 - which I
 should have known - was a set back I will have to deal
 with.  I guess
 I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker
 could find
 forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to
 another concern
 about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to
 find good
 homes..

 Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
 suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would
 give money to a
 stranger on line with no real info as to where it will
 really go so
 why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds
 strange.

 I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would
 oversee
 that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care
 they
 should? My few remaining relatives live many states away
 and are
 within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
 person/house after the animals alive at the time of my
 death are no
 longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and
 property could
 revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that
 with zoning laws and
 all And I would have to be sure the house could be
 paid for at
 my death ARGHH...

 I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be
 familiar
 with these types of situations AND share my love for these
 furry kids.
  Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal
 Trusts???
 or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able
 to do it without
 charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.

 So much to think about.

 Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.

 Kat

 On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and
 other pets are to me!
  Most my family members and friends are huge animal
 lovers and I have no
  doubt that they will take great care of mine, if
 something would happen to
  me and my husband.
 
  2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com
 
  I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry)
 the amounts I am seeing
  (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to
 take care of the cats
  for
  long other than maybe food needs. I definitely
 could be wrong. And maybe
  that's all it's intended for.
 
  Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
 
  I wanted to share some potential solutions just to
 put it out there?  Love
  that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
 
  Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin,
 maybe through a local
  501c3
  so their donators will get tax deductions, or
 perhaps kickstarter, or
  pepsi
  refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites
 nowadays and you can
  choose different amounts...you just have to hit
 the minimum to get the
  money
  I think but people can always contribute more than
 requested, especially
  if
  you state that in the description of why you are
 looking for funds.
 
  And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement
 homes out there - did
  anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted
 to put that out

Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid

2011-02-28 Thread katskat1
I am in South West Ohio about 1 hour north of Cincinnati.  I am within
2 hours of Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton.

kat

On 2/28/11, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:
 yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal,
 I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know
 what I mean.

 --
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 happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread katskat1
I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having
several cats and dogs of my own.  In my 60's, live along female.  I
finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing
that makes me feel best.

I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I
couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in
my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death.  This
money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used
specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to
live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted
or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets
concur it is a medical neccessity.

Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose.

Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight?  I don't
know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but
I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if
necessary and she has agreed.

Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't
visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced
if possible.

kat
On 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:
 On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed
 business model.  A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care
 So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
 more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
 start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
 they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
 sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is
 just not a sustainable model.

 I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
 (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
 this earth.

 Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
 It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
 certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
 than wonderful!

 They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
 the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.

 If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
 about Caboodle please let me know.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie

2011-02-21 Thread katskat1
Comeon Rosie!  We are all pulling for you!  Listen to us and fight to
stay healthy so you can play with your new siblings.

Kat


On 2/20/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 We thought she was the survivor-She is the last of the litter of 5 kittens
 we
 caught in Oct 2008. Her 4 brothers passed in 2009, a month apart. She made
 it to
 2 years, now 2 1/2tonight I felt a lump on the  left side of her
 neck. I
 am hoping our vet is open tomorrow. She is not showing any pain-I checked
 her
 neck and throat because she gagged a little tonight, but nothing came up.
 She
 had tonsillitis in January and was on Zithromax-she came out of that just
 fine.
 I am dreading this-we just lost Murphy in October from Lymphoma. Rosie was
 so
 lonely when he passed-she became depressed-slept all of the time, we were so
 worried-she checked out fine, we had her blood work done-all ok. We ended up
 adopting 2 negative kitties-a male that was 6-7 months old and a female that
 is
 9-10 months old. The rescue vaccinated each one twice for FeLV and kept them
 an
 extra month-their vet thought they would be fine since they were pretty
 mature
 and were already negative. She has been running and playing again and we
 thought
 all was well in the world. I hope this lump isn't Lymphoma.  Alice...owned
 by
 Rosie, Sachi and Miso!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Leona Jean Yahmuna

2011-02-20 Thread katskat1
Megan,

I am in Ohio so can't help you that way but would strongly recommend
you get Leona Jean on L-Lysine.  I cannot tell you exactly what it is
or how it does what it appears to do but I am sure some of the others
can fill you in.

I have two cats that are FIV positive and have had them on L-Lysine
for well over a year.  After a few weeks any recurrence of their upper
respiratory symptoms was negligible and neither of them has had a
recurrence at all in many months.  Both are fat and sassy, with clear
eyes and noses.  No sneezing, rattling, etc.  It apparently helps
bolster their immune system and while I in no way think it is a
miracle or the end-all for this nasty disease, I think it is of great
value.

Go on line and look for it or go to a local health food store.  If
your cat is picky or hard to pill or medicate I suggest the soft
treats.  A bit more expensive but great for fickle cats.  My two will
fight over the things and come running when I rattle the container
they are in.

Kat

On 2/20/11, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Leona Jean is the FIV female who came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day. I
 have written of her before and was graciously advised to check out the FIV
 group.

 Her upper respiratory symptoms are back - - the worst since she presented.
 Leona Jean  is now having a little goop in the corners of her eyes and the
 mucous is beginning to string.  She has been on about four different
 antibiotics.  The vet said on the last visit that her lungs sounded clear.
 Does that mean nose  sinuses are where the infection is?   We just finished
 the 200 mg azithromycin the vet put her on last time.  Leona Jean's
 respiratory symptoms diminish only somewhat but really don't even come close
 to clearing.

 The vet had advised to use the azithromycin daily and then on alternate
 days.  Humidity and hydrating with juice don't seem to help like they did
 before.  She won't drink homemade chicken broth either.

 comments?

 I wouldn't fight at all if someone knew of a superb FIV home for her.  My
 own local inquires have come up empty.  She is sweet, sleeps with me, maybe
 has a megacolon.  We are in the Piedmont of NC.

 Thank you.

 Megan

 which brings the third comment:  dealing with personal exhaustion; finding a
 balance; $ issues.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

2011-02-04 Thread katskat1
Besides the fact that he isn't hurting anymore he will never be scared
again.  Thank God.

I believe you said you had taken him to a vet who hadn't been too
helpful and were taking him to a vet you trusted today?  If I am
remembering correctly I would be very upset the first vet apparently
hadn't found this lymphoma.  And make very sure none of my business
went to him or her again.

He is waiting for you just as all of our sweeties are waiting for us.
If there are no animals in heaven it isn't heaven and I don't wanna
go.

Kat.

On 2/4/11, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon.  He had
 an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that
 he could even be made more comfortable.  He crashed at the beginning of this
 week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to
 eat, drink or even to stand.  He has been very unhappy and scared all week
 long.

 When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear
 mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection.  As his health
 improved he became such a happy cat!  He was so happy to be alive, he always
 wanted to play and be loved.  This is a you-tube link to a video I took of
 him a few months ago.  He would come to me and ask me to come and play with
 him and then lead me to the toys.



 http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig



 Rest in peace my darling Tweezer.  My heart is breaking but at least there
 is no feline leukemia where you are now.





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