Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion!
Agree totally with you Beth. I have always mingled neg and pos as long as;
A: The negatives are adult who have been vaccinated and given time for it
to circulate thru their systems
B. they aren't young kittens who haven't been thru full series of shots
and given time for it to take. Young kittens are apparently much more
susceptible to this nasty condition.
I have never had a negative test positive later.
Good luck with your babies.
Kat
On Monday, October 14, 2013, Beth wrote:
The tests are totally different. The IFA tests to see if the virus is
circulating in the bone marrow, which means the cat will not throw off the
virus. The ELISA snap tests for the virus in the blood. A cat can be
positive on the snap test but negative on the IFA. This means they have a
chance of throwing off the virus.
So we know Baby is definitely positive.
You might want to re-test Moe on the SNAP test if positive do an IFA of
just skip to the IFA. If the IFA on Moe is positive neither cat is going to
throw off the virus they can mingle.
Just FYI, a lot of us here mix out positive negative cats, vaccinating
the negative cats. I have done so for almost 15 years have never had the
virus get transmitted to my negative cats. My old vet used to vaccinate my
negative twice a year. Of coarse this is a personal decision.
Good luck thank you for keeping Moe Baby giving them a chance at
life.
Beth
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I'm confused and hope people can help me to understand this.
I have two cats who have tested positive for felv. One, Moe has tested
positive twice on the ELISA, and the tests were done a year apart. Baby,
has tested positive both on a SNAP and an IFA test - done two months apart.
Different vets were used.
They have been kept separate, both from each other and our negative cats.
So, the question is can they be safely introduced to each other? Do I
need Moe to be retested using the IFA? Do I need Baby retested using the
ELISA?
Please, any light that can be shed on this will be incredibly helpful.
Thank you so much!
Leslie the furballs
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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her
It kills a part of me every time I have to make that decision. Just today an elderly dog I cared for a great deal had to be helped across the Rainbow Bridge because he had lost all control of his hindquarters and could no longer pee or poop. Rowdy was only with our rescue a year or so after his humans could no longer deal with him but during that year he was a very happy and loved old goof ball and I really think the attention he finally received and the joy he had in his last year of life were a present we were able to give to him. In return he loved the heck out of us and life. So, while it hurts, remember the love you gave and the love you received and be content in the belief you didn't allow it to drag on to where she would have gone over the bridge with unhappy experiences being her last. You did the loving thing. Thank you. Kat On Friday, October 11, 2013, Lorrie wrote: Dear Jennifer, You did the right thing. I have had many FelV cats, and other than giving fluids to make them more comfortable or taking care of something like an infection that a vet can treat, I will NOT put a cat of mine thru any heroic measures. I have tried assist feeding, and I've watched them gag and try to get away from me. This is pure torture for them as well as for me, the torturer. I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but when a FelV cat becomes desperately ill I put them down. I give my FelV cats as good a life as I can while they are alive and well, but when they are dying I let them go. Thank you for making the brave decision you made. You will miss Sasha terribly, but you did the kindest thing you could for her. Hugs for you from Lorrie On 10-10, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance. Kat On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk ** Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and when.
Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration,
get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet,
and love her.
All the best,
Margo
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
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To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Rehydrate. Soon.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Jennifer Ballew wrote:
Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much. So I
guess that's something.
Jennifer
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Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand
at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and
when. Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which
we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97.
I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet
(I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and
quiet, and love her.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
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Re: [Felvtalk] Meowko passed, and interferon alpha 2b available
What a beautiful story! Well told and obviously from the heart. Meowko. What a sweet name. She is running free over the rainbow bridge. There is an American Indian legend that says the stars are windows in heaven that our loved ones look through to keep an eye on us. Meowko has her own window now and is watching you, waiting for the time you will join her. Kat --- On Monday, May 27, 2013, Beth wrote: So sorry for your loss of your sweet baby. Amazing how she brought you your husband together. What a wonderful story!. Hugs, Beth I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Dear friends, Thank you very much for the great support over the last several weeks. Meowko is now an angel. She crossed the rainbow bridge on May 26th, around 8:45pm US eastern daylight saving time. Her passing was peaceful, but for whole my family, our life would never be the same without her. I can't stop thinking about the day I first met Meowko back in Taipei city, Taiwan. It was not me who adopted Mewoko; it was Meowko who adopted me. That was also a beautiful May day. She jumped into my window during dinnertime demanding the fish entree in my bento. From that day, she came every night, until one day she decided to stay and never left again. I didn't know anything of cats back to that time. I was actually very afraid of cats when I was little as in many Asian legends cats are evil. So I turned to one of my friend's friend who I knew he took care of street cats for years, asking tips about how to be a cat parent. This friend became my boyfriend, later my husband. Meowko traveled with us all the time, from Taiwan to the US 7yrs ago, and from Minnesota to Connecticut last year, not to mention those shorter trips/research trips over these years. She was good at taking airplanes, riding for week-long road trip, and had always been calm in front of anything. She was the perfect cat a geographer can ever dream for, and I always believe herself was a cat geographer as well. We have always been saying that she probably taught geography in feline schools when her humans were in sleep. We are going to arrange a witness of Meowko's cremation on Wednesday. She will always in our hearts...She is survived by her two humans and her 7 yrs old littermate, Jaja, who also jumped into our window several years later. Although Meowko had been sick over these years as she was getting old, she had a very good quality of life until the day before yesterday. She was deeply loved by many people who knew her, from many places around the world. I hope I could have had a little more time with her... I have already missed her so terribly. Along with some ckd medical supplies, Meowko left about 20 days' supply of interferon alpha 2b oral liquid 100 IU/ml strength available (expiration date, June 20th, 2013). If anyone needs it, we are in eastern Connecticut, you’re welcome to pick it up or we can drop off in reasonable traveling distance. Or I can mail it to you, the only thing I ask would be that you pay for the shipping as it requires cool pack overnight shipping.) Please give your babies extra hugs for us. All the furry friends on this listserv are strong fighters as Meowko. I am sorry to report back today that Meowko didn't win her battle, but it doesn't mean others can't win. With the knowledge and support from members on this listserv, there is still have a very good chance. Please try as much as you can, and please never give up hope. It is the most important lesson I learned from Meowko and from the members here. Thank you all very much again. (And particularily, Margo, your words for us had encouraged us to go through the tough times...) with my best, Catherine and our little sweet angel, Meowko ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] The War on Cats
AMEN! Kat On Saturday, February 2, 2013, Lee Evans wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
OMG! If I put golf balls in my dogs food they would swallow them and keep right on going! On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Tricia and All, I recently joined this group after finding out that a neighborhood feral cat that I trapped to neuter, tested positive for FeLV. I have him separate from my cats now, and he has, over a few months, actually become a lot tamer, not 100% yet, but so much better, allows petting, plays, etc. Hope I am not out of line jumping in about Tricia's cat before properly introducing myself. I am not sure if I am getting all of the emails on this particular thread, but I think with her symptoms, ongoing or worsening loose stool, and now hiding, she should definitely be seen by a vet. There have been lots of great suggestions given, but IF she is not improving, you should bring her in for an exam. I would start by getting the name of the vet that your friend took her too, then call and ask them about her check-up, and why she was given the Tylosin. Ask your friend more about why the Tylosin too. Maybe have your friend call the vet first to let them know it is fine to tell you about her, that you adopted her...ask them if they did a fecal, deworming, etc. Find out the dewormer they gave her, what the fecal showed, etc. You need more info and maybe just by talking to them you will get some answers. If her symptoms continue, I think you should bring her in to your own vet. Have the other vet fax the records over. With FeLV cats, it is important to stay on top of symptoms and address them sooner versus later to treat anything before it advances, right? She could become dehydrated with ongoing diarrhea and you don't really know what is going on for sure to cause her symptoms, unless the other vet sheds some light. This is just my opinion. For instance, she could have coccidia, giardia, etc. Sometimes vets want to do a direct fecal to find certain parasites, etc. They can be hard to find on a fecal you drop off. Loose stool could have lots of bacteria in it too, not just worms, and she might need to be treated. I have a foster cat who had chronic loose stools and when fecals were done, he had an overload of bacteria and metronidazole helped for a while. His diarrhea ended up being intermittent to almost constant, until we finally figured out he has a food allergy and now after 4 years (!), his stools are finally normal on a special unique protein (rabbit) food. Hope Pumpkin starts feeling better soon. One other thing, declawing is very traumatic, and declawing an adult is even worse. Some of her litter box aversion could be from pain of declaw in addition to the diarrhea, not necessarily, but just something to be aware of. She has been through a lot. And she is still getting used to your home and being indoors. It's only been a few months, she still needs time to adapt. Also, cats will sometimes purr even if they don't feel good. Sounds like you are being a great mom to Pumpkin, but if she isn't getting better, I would definitely err on the side of caution and have her seen or at least call your vet or the other vet. Best, Shelley On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: Some good suggestions! I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested. She inhales it! Little miss Hoover. I am feeding 9 other cats and three dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough attention to her to try and slow her down. I may start feeding her separately. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food bowl!! Subtle kitty that she is... For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny. She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday. She will not give it up. Hope to keep her in til spring. Ozzie is doing MUCH better. Fattened up in his head, chest and front section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out. Mingles with the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well. So far no issues developing with ,the FIV. Discovered he was choosing his own toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,. Take the lid off and he uses it every time. One mystery solved. Kat :: On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote: When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it. It will provide good bacteria for her intestines. Good thought on her accident. If she is not used to sudden noises, etc, that could have been the problem. As for her hiding, Annie hid
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Some good suggestions! I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested. She inhales it! Little miss Hoover. I am feeding 9 other cats and three dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough attention to her to try and slow her down. I may start feeding her separately. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food bowl!! Subtle kitty that she is... For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny. She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday. She will not give it up. Hope to keep her in til spring. Ozzie is doing MUCH better. Fattened up in his head, chest and front section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out. Mingles with the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well. So far no issues developing with ,the FIV. Discovered he was choosing his own toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,. Take the lid off and he uses it every time. One mystery solved. Kat :: On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote: When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it. It will provide good bacteria for her intestines. Good thought on her accident. If she is not used to sudden noises, etc, that could have been the problem. As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at night to eat. I put a box downstairs for her to use. She had lost her owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks. The lady's sister came once a day, fed her and changed her box. Then she was put in a box, brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a house with a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people. She freaked out and headed straight for the basement. She had always been an only cat so getting used to a house full and new people didn't help her. Now, she still does not like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it. I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do things. For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will be able to understand their little quirks. strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Hi Sharyl, Thank you so much for the quick reply:) I would have to guess she is about 4 years old. I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... I will try to check her stool more closely. So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I will let you know. Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement, near her potty for awhile? I had one other response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking. I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta ran out... What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again? I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well? Thanks again for your time and knowledge: Tricia -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is. It is usual to re-test for FeLV after 3 months. Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms? That may be why her stools are soft. Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has diarrhea. Usually start out with 1 tsp. I've never used Tylosin Tartrate. Here is a link to more info http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis. You need to treat the diarrhea. FeLV is probably not the reason she has it Sharyl From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Another possibility I suppose but I don't notice any odor. I have to have that done to my dogs on occassion. Thanks K On 12/2/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe clogged anal sacs? I know this happens most often to dogs but my dad's cat Jerry used to get it also and it caused him to smell bad and walk weird until the vet expressed them. He had to have this done about twice a year. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
Never having seen a scorpion laughing, I am kindof sorry I missed that. Kat P.S. I am right on the cusp of libra and scorpio. October 23. I still would have squished the sucker. He attacked first! On 12/2/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Brown scorpions are the nasty type. I was zapped by a regular generic type scorpion. I'm idiotically superstitious. I was born at the end of October. Scorpio. I wouldn't harm a scorpion for anything. Really bad luck. So I walked away from the encounter yowling and the scorpion walked away laughing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat
Oh yeah, there is a saliva test. The vet takes a swab from inside the cheek of the cat, then puts it in a test tube with purified water and maybe something else, I don't know. If the swab turns blue within 5 minutes the cat is supposedly positive. Then, if it hasn't turned blue, she takes it out and puts it in a different solution that is supposed to make it turn blue to confirm she had a good test. On 11/26/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Both ELISA/SNAP and IRA use blood drawn from the cat. The saliva test is something else entirely. I think it is supposed to test in much the same way as the ELISA/SNAP for the same thing. I don't think there's a saliva test that tests for the virus in the bone marrow (IFA). Anyone have a definite answer to this? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat Oops wait a minute I re read your email. It is the other way around isn't it. SNAP/ELISA is the saliiva test and the IFA is the blood test for bone marrow? Kt Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: OK so the ELISA/SNAP is the one blood is drawn for and the IFA is the saliva test right? Thanks. That helps a lot! Kat Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The snap test is an ELISA test. The IFA is sent out to a lab costs around $100 depending on your area tests to see if the virus is in the bone marrow, meaning the cat will not throw off the virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat So which is the snap test? Or is it something else?? Kat Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Don't just get the IFA, as they are skewed towards false negatives. ELISAs are skewed towards false positives, so if you do the IFA, it would be to reconcile with the ELISA. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't much trust tests anyway but if you want to get a more accurate test, in a month do the IFA test on him. I had an adult cat who tested strong positive. I kept him for 3 months in a separate room, tested again and it was negative but because he would be mixed in with my many rescues, I had the IFA test done and it was also negative. Moses has been living with 20 of my rescues for the past 6 years now. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat I have a 6 1/2 month old rescued kitten. He tested FelV pos. at 8 weeks old and I just had him tested again. This time the results were a light pos. They told me it just barely turned positive on the test. Would this indicate he is in the process of throwing off the virus? I LOVE this kitten so much. He is such an affectionate boy, and I'm praying I don't lose him. So many FelV positive cats don't make it past aa year or so. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting cat wet the bed
Just an FYI, just about any waterproof mattress cover you get will involve plastic/rubberized plastic in order to be - waterproof. You will find it reflects your body heat which is great in the winter but can sometimes be a bit warm in the summer! I even tried putting two fitted sheets on the mattress over the top of the cover. But for an Ohio winter it is as good as having an electric blanket! kat PS. Oz and Miss Kitty are doing well altho both are disinclined to leave the master bath. Oz tried it once and freaked out when one of my dogs, Polar Bear, wanted to chase and play like he does with my other cats. Of course, Polar Bear is about 75# with a mass of long white fur (kindof like a white chow chow) so that could have been part of it. Had to wrap Oz in a sweatshirt and take him hissing and howling back to the bathroom! k On 11/5/12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: There are lots of good waterproof mattress pads. None of mine have an issue but I use them anywaythey aren't the plastic crinkledy type and are very comfortable. Odo Ban is my favorite. On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Martha Walton wrote: The kittens were recently wormed for round worms. The owner is taking them to the vet today at 10:30. The kittens had thrown up more diarrhea overnight. I have another problem that I need help with. One of my cats peed on the bed yesterday, urine down to the matress. I need some odor spray recommendations. Also, does anybody recommend some kind of waterproof mattress pad cover? On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Were they dewormed? Shots are one thing but deworming is important even if the test for worms is negative. Most kittens from street moms or who have been abandoned have worms. Deworming is done prophylactically by most rescue organizations. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria in their gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is making them sick? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too? Last I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use ``controversial'' Tamiflu. My friend's vet saved her litter that way. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
Thanks all. Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. Kat On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
Lee, I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. Again, time will tell. k On 11/5/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that lots of the cats think outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For this I needed a college degree. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty Kat, you have such a big heart. Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines. Thanks everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals their humans. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks all. Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. Kat On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat
PandieAnn that is a great idea on the Joann's rubber sheeting but I don't see how you can buy it by the bolt! I checked on it and it is $15 for 1yd x 36 wide (3' x 3'). I have to drive over an hour for the nearest store but it I will probably go buy a couple of yards at least when my next SS check comes! I have a mattress protector on my bed and it is Ohio wintertime right now so I am good to go on that but the sheeting will be great for the back seat of the car and the cargo area on the Blazer!!! Thanks k On 11/5/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I never realized that. This will be awesome for car seats if I ever get a car and go back to doing TNR! It's also great for my new futon. Most of my waterproof pads have been over washed and have cracks that can leak through. Thanks for the information. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: pandie...@aol.com pandie...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat i use waterproof rubber sheeting purchased at joann's fabric store. Looks like white cotton and works like magic. cover furniture with it. then just throw in the washer when someone misbehaves. I buy by the bolts. jo'ann's has coupons 50-60% off so well worth it. nothing ever seeps through. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Waterproof sheeting
So where can you get the 1/2 off coupons??? k On 11/5/12, pandie...@aol.com pandie...@aol.com wrote: From: pandie...@aol.com To: marthawal...@gmail.com Sent: 11/5/2012 1:10:55 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: Waterproof sheeting Rubber Sheeting White # 1491315 (I don't know how to do link to you but using your link this is the #) reg. 14.99. it is half off or more when you use one of their coupons. Years ago, it came in a lot of different prints. i have only found white in the past couple of years. unfortunately, I don't think it caught on or people just don't know about it . I had a baby store and discovered. Became one of my best sellers. People loved to line their cribs with it - is 100% cotton. I also used on my mattress when I was carrying for my dying brother and elderly parents. I would cut to size I needed (just snip and tear). I guarantee 100%. comes out like new after washing and putting in dryer. A stress reliever for sure for those of us in rescue. In a message dated 11/5/2012 12:52:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, marthawal...@gmail.com writes: Hello- I saw your posting about the waterproof sheeting sold at Joanns. I think I know what you are talking about, but I was wondering if you could find it on their website for me and send me back the name or link. _http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48_ (http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48) It is a great solution, I could even make some slipcovers from the material. Thanks so much, the experience of others makes having cats much, much easier. Martha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
He just called me and we are probably going to try to get together tomorrow cause of the weather. He says there are two cats, the other a smaller black one, but it is very shy and he may not be able to catch it. He said the snow is letting up there so he is going to a local vet to get more food and a couple of cardboard cat carriers. I have his phone number so we will work something out. By the way, I like your brothers voice! Deep voices like his that resonate are so pleasant to hear! kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: His name is Craig. Wow, that's a lot of snow! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:44 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of snow since last nite when we started this conversation. Don't know what the rest of the world looks like but it is nasty here. Did your brother make it home? I will still meet him, it may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and plows haven't been around yet. Will wait to hear from him. What is his name by the way? Yes, I have always been a night person. Some of us just are I guess. Internal clock is faulty or something. Kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
On Monday, October 29, 2012, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: -If he has been on his own before, he should emember how to hunt. Is there on one at the camp all winter? soeone who could be persuded to give him some food.- -- Edna Taylor wrote: But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :( From: cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp:// felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@fe i am in s ohio. what is status of this cat? k. green lineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
On Monday, October 29, 2012, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2012, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: -If he has been on his own before, he should emember how to hunt. Is there on one at the camp all winter? soeone who could be persuded to give him some food.- -- Edna Taylor wrote: But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :( From: cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx I am in Hillsboro, Oh. Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me tomorrow. I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love. I will spay/neuter if necessary and give a good home. Surely he can keep his dog away from it for 1 day? Kathy G. 937-466-2840 I have an answering machine and screen calls so tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned cat and I will pick up phone. I will stay home til 2pm tomorrow to wait for his call. N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp:// felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@fe i am in s ohio. what is status of this cat? k. green lineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Marcia I am in Hillsboro, Oh. Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me tomorrow. I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love. I will spay/neuter if necessary and give a good home. Surely he can keep his dog away from it for 1 day? Kathy G. 937-466-2840 I have an answering machine and screen calls so tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned cat and I will pick up phone. I will be home between 8am and 2pm tomorrow to wait for his call. pls confirm you have received this and contacted him. thx Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
It is a rotten, terrible, filthy disease and unfortunately only one of several that take our fur-babies. God loves them all and takes care of them. We mortals just have to take care of them for him for a while til he tells them they have given us enough love and it is time to go. Thanks for loving Orlando. Kat On 5/21/12, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Orlando had 4 wondeful years with you. I truly understand the pain you feel now but don't forget those good years. He will always be in your heaart Sharyl From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
There are two sides - at least - to everything. There was an article published by a gentleman nearby in Florida who says he knew the Caboodle situation well, had visited often, had helped when he could. He said that many of the cats were simply dumped there not dropped off with $150 but dumped cause the address was known. That they were in the (continual) process of vetting and trying to identify cats that showed up that needed vetting and/or spay neuter. I think this guy was trying his best. I think he may have been vetting as he could but if people don't help, and continue to dump their unwanted cats what do you do? I don't know what is truly the case cause I never saw the place or met the man but all indications are he had the animals best interest in mind and did what he could til he drowned under the number of animals. As for those who say he paid himself large amounts out of the money donated to use for the cats, I don't see where $1000/month (or $12,000 a year) is a 'large amount' in anyone's book. IF that is true as reported. And if he spend his time trying to do the best for the cats, as a full time job it is legally allowed for him to take enuff to pay electric, groceries, etc. I was living on a very little over that amount for almost 2 years and it is NOT a lot of money. And I am VERY concerned PETA is involved. They are butchers and I will never have anything to do with them except disagree with them. They kill animals and lie thru their teeth. Anyway, right or wrong, I would like to hear it all before judging him guilty. I doubt he is 100% innocent or 100% guilty but as far as the world is concerned he is already judged. Not sure that is right. K. On 3/7/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much as we are able (including going to far lengths both medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap). We have treated colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now recovering (very well!) from liver disease. We have brought in CRF cats to live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with dietary management and supplements. I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't control the population otherwise either. I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with good reports. It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things I was hearing that there were problems. Caboodle Ranch took in many feral cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my guess in most cases) to care for them. To me, that would account for the 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went right into carriers. I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis. It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life and death choices. Since the people on this group are people who chose life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even believe it's wrong for them to take homes from healthy cats--an opinion that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very good job at it just like some owners do not. We are making the best of a bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the streets,
Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us
The angelbluemist site is absolutely gorgeous! You'll cry but it will help. Kat On 11/28/11, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: I am so sorry about Buddy! If you really want to talk to him, have you considered contacting a really good animal communicator? I have been in contact with Binkey last week, who had to be euthanized this morning, and in a few days, will have my AC contact him. Binkey was a silver colored, long-haired gorgeous cat who was selfless and absolutely fantastic with people and other animals! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:20 PM To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us This was just what I needed today. My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon whom I adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning. He was about 9 years old, maybe more. He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I adopted him to be a companion to my other positive cat. I am grateful that the end came quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken. He was the best cat ever. He came running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and snuggled on my lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the other cats we have taken in. He had no meow, just a croak, but had the most eloquent eyes. Many times I wished he could talk. I know that a piece of him will be with me until we meet again. Leah From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one of my all time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings. Credit to the writer: Terri Onorato http://www.angelbluemist.com/aplaceforus.html __._,_.___Description: Image removed by sender. __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen- Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones who fights it off. Whether she does or not, I will always be ready to take her and love her for as long as she has. I am willing to bet she and Koko Kitty (the blind terror) would totally tear the house apart playing with each other. Add in the 75# Samoyed mix, Polar Bear and the puppy, Charlie and I will pitch a tent to live in and give them the house! If you keep her that is great but be sure I would LOVE to give her a home with my fur babies if you aren't able to. Let me know how she does no matter what your decision! Kat On 11/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Kat. I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures as it is! I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of them. If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with me. Don't worry, I won't be putting her down. I'll definitely think about your offer though. I might need a nice drive to KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days ;-) Really though, I will think about it. I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I might find out when they're heading up. I'll let you know. You would totally love her. She is so sweet. She really loves attention and follows me around. Kind of a laid back little girl. She likes to play of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out. I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of extinguishing the virus. I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off the virus but you just never know. I'm going to wait a couple weeks before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a way to work out the transporting. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500 From: katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available
Can't/won't she mix them? I have mixed neg/pos for years with no problem as long as the negatives are up to date on the dreaded FeLV shots. Kat On 11/19/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: The woman trying to help the cat on Chincoteague Island sent me some additional information, so I thought I'd share it here. He only has 11 days to find a home, foster, or rescue. Please feel free to crosspost. Thanks, Cindy Here's the info she sent: There is a resident population of feral cats at Tom's Cove Campground. Some of the people living there put food out. Occasionally a cat is trapped and taken to an area vet. Storm showed up after Hurricane Irene. He was trapped and taken to the vet to get shaved down because he was badly matted and infested with fleas. At the vet's it was discovered he was already neutered. His ears were not notched and he has no microchip. Storm has not shown any aggression at all. He is fed separately, but the other cats don't bother him. He is not feral. I was asked if I would take him home with me when I visited in October. I took him to the local vet to be tested and that is when it was discovered that he is FeLV+. I have a 3yo female cat who is FeLV-. There is no way I could keep him separated from my cat. While the rest of the colony will survive the winter, it is doubtful if Storm would make it through the winter outside and without a regular source of food. The campground where he is now closes at the end of November. I honestly think he would make a wonderful pet. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to
Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2 or 3. Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives (currently 8 of them) for years. I keep the negatives up to date on vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full series of vaccinations. On 10/8/11, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5 cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive, and they are checked yearly From: JoAnn Fredo lt;jufr...@yahoo.comgt; To: quot;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgquot; lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt; Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten Message body I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens, and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma, Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative. This past Friday my neighbor#39;s daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we wanted him. He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
There is NO WAY these kittens need to be aborted if it is FIV - not even if he was FeLV+ ! Way too late to do it safely for momma and each kitten would have to be killed individually. This vet has some very questionable ideas They should be find, momma should be fine. Get her 'fixed' after the kittens are weaned. On 10/3/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Please DO NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be just fine! Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV! It's a lot different than FeLV I can guarantee that they will be fine. DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed! I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if that's OK! I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Hi i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested positive for feline aids i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now. The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way??? Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do?? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat
I'm not sure, but a couple of locations list his name(s) as FrankenLouie. Macabre but cute sortof? On 10/2/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Oh, bless his little heart! Happy birthday, Frank and Louie, and many more! And to his human, brava! Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] 12 yr old Janus cat http://www.care2.com/greenliving/two-faced-cat-celebrates-12th-birthday.html There's also a video ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV
Thanks! On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do NOT vaccinate against FIV - no reason. Healthy cats and FIV+ cats can live together and NOT get infected, unless they fight and exchange blood/saliva! They can live for a very long time, too - but you have to make sure that they get good nutrition, supplements, check their gums and teeth often, and at the slightest sign of a sniffle, immediately treat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV YIKE! I hadn't heard that. Carcinogenic? How? And how/where can I go for more info? I want to stop getting my fur-babies that shot if this is the case. Thanks kat On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Absolutely useless vaccine, and probably carcinogenic, too! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV ...and there is a lot of controversy about if it really does help prevent FIV. - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the vet. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV. Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination. On 09-07, katskat1 wrote: Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives and negatives with the following caveat: 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl: FIV and FeLV 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting period before mixing. I think it is 1 month or so but others can confirm the correct incubation for the disease. 3. After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing. 4. I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever they are positive for) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV
YIKE! I hadn't heard that. Carcinogenic? How? And how/where can I go for more info? I want to stop getting my fur-babies that shot if this is the case. Thanks kat On 9/8/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Absolutely useless vaccine, and probably carcinogenic, too! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV ...and there is a lot of controversy about if it really does help prevent FIV. - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the vet. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV. Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination. On 09-07, katskat1 wrote: Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives and negatives with the following caveat: 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl: FIV and FeLV 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting period before mixing. I think it is 1 month or so but others can confirm the correct incubation for the disease. 3. After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing. 4. I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever they are positive for) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
I have mixed neg/pos for years now as long as neg is vaccinated AND NOT a youngster. The kittens/young cats are much more susceptible and I always keep them separate until they are older and are several months past both initial vaccination and boosters. Kat On 9/7/11, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree. I mixed positives and negatives since 2001 and never had a problem. Just as long as your negatives are vaccinated, they should be fine. I see no need to segregate them. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lanemailto:gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Same here. When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented. I've mixed mine with my others for several years, no problem. All mine are altered and sit around and eat and sleep. Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not, 2) they're not that contagious, 3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old, 5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try. Oh yeah, and always questions your vets advice :) Gloria On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.commailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April
Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives and negatives with the following caveat: 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl: FIV and FeLV 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a waiting period before mixing. I think it is 1 month or so but others can confirm the correct incubation for the disease. 3. After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at least 6 - 7 months old before mixing. 4. I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever they are positive for) I would suggest you get input on the above from others on this site who are FAR more knowledgeable then I am but that is what I have been doing for years now and so far have had NONE of my negatives become positive for either disease. kat On 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: this is what I found off the internet. I didn't hear that about making threw the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over. I know she's lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family. She was accepted by all the other cats. I'm torn between trying to find her another cat with FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself. Spicy actually named herself. We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted to name the other cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange. Well Spicy kept answering to the name. Now Spicy is black and I never thought of naming a black cat Spicy, but she had other ideas. I like the name Chloe we had a cat for 14 years named Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's shutdown. The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the infection and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never gets sick itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the cat has a compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the development of lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease. Although it is thought that virus protein has to be present to induce lymphomas in cats, newer evidence shows that a high percentage of FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a hit-and-run mechanism of virus induced tumor development.[1] Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV infection: * Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx where it infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes and macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes and begin to replicate. * Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute throughout the body. * Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution throughout the body. * Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected. If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto: * Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the virus will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils (white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell). * Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts, and organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues including salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines, trachea, nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and sebaceous ducts from the muzzle. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] reply
As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can let us know where you live so we can try and help? Kat On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet. Everyone passed their physical with flying colors this year. Agai, I think giving quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use fountains) is the key. This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist infections. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: It's certainly personal choice, I certainly understand. Like I say, I've mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more flexible than others. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the cats. But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. There is still a risk and chance the others could get it. And they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever. I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it. The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV). I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster. I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. They only get along in two's. In other words, Chloe and Lion get along. But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial. Vice versa. Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture. I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy. I am still trying. But I'm open to ideas and input. Dotty From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Dot, if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them. Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: dot winkler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease Can you believe this. O.K. So, what do you know about the 5 stages? What does it mean? I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease. Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others? My cat is so lonely. It breaks my heart. She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from the clan where i rescued the two of them. I really would love to adopt her out. Just having a hard time finding someone. P.S. - I like the name Spicy! It is cute. Dot From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture...4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium:0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron: 1 mg Copper: 2 mg Manganese:0.2 mg Selenium:0.03 mg Vitamins (Min): B12: 0.02 mcg Inositol: 119 mg Choline: 101 mg Biotin: 58 mg Niacin: 10 mg Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg B6: 1 mg Folic Acid: 0.35 mg Features Helpful effective for: dry skin, constant scratching, dull thin coat, excessive shedding. Contains biotin and essential fatty acids plus a wide spectrum of vitamins and minerals. Contains no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives. Each scoop contains 1.5 mg (1500 mcg) of Biotin. Feed 1/4 teaspoon (scoop provided) per 30 lbs of weight. 4-8 months' supply for pets under 30 lbs. Recommended for biotin deficiencies which may cause: Dry, Itchy , Scaly Skin Seborrheic Dermatitis Eczema Military Eczema in Cats Alopecia (Loss of Hair) Poor Coat Color and Coat Quality Cracked or Tender Pads Infected Toe Nails Stiffness in Aged Dogs and Cats Hindquarter Weakness Loss of Appetite Stress in Pregnancy and lactation ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Just add this to the consideration. To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer. When a cat is 'declawed' they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle. Period. Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle. Kat On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ == On 8/24/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Natalie wrote: Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service. Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Wish List
Understood. Thanks again. kat On 7/13/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AnimalWishList/ This is for individuals ONLY to ask for help with their pets. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:06 PM Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Thank you On my way there now. Kat On 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
Again, thanks to all of you. Been a great help. Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until the 18th. Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have sutures out this Wed the 13th. I guess a few more days with sutures won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was afraid to get them out. duh!Oh well. Surprisingly, Luke is a lover. Loves to be picked up, loves to be petted. But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat, nothing. Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy! Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several hours. Not doing that to her or me again. So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck. If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten pulled~. Kat On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them. Unlike dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it. Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. She bites, scratches, screams and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems to do more harm than good. If she needs meds, we head to the vet. More hands to hld her down. I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com In-Reply-To: CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin. You are very kind. Lorrie On 07-09, katskat1 wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal Wish List. You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I don't have one. And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want the money to go directly to my vet right? She would have to have an account? Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her (she is out of town), etc. I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke. Kat On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed point by point! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Ben, I cried when you wrote about Dexter. He sounds like he fought til he just got too tired and did what he could to let you know it was time for him to move on. It is so hard to make that choice. Makes you feel like you are 'playing' God sometimes but I think He knows and gives us that 'power' to use wisely, judiciously and to help our fur-babies when necessary. And Dexter knew, he told you, and now he's healthy, happy and waiting for you to show up. Anyway, you say you can get Interferon at vetcentric.com but neither of my vets are registered with them and apparently they have to have a vet Rx to ship anything so. Is what you get from them the Virbagen Interferon Omega or the human stuff? If it is the Virbagen Interferon Omega and you have some, can I ask what state you are in? I am in Ohio but if you have some of the Omega available I would like to know if you would give me your address so I can send you $ for shipping some to me? How long does it last? What is the dosage? Do you refrigerate it? Freeze it? Etc. If you are willing/able to send some please respond to me directly if possible. katofo...@gmail.com Thanks a zillion! My FeLV+ kitty, Luke (I know, sick name but when she tested positive I just started calling her my Luke Kitty and it stuck. What can I say?) will probably have all teeth pulled soon if I can come up with the $. She is having a hard time eating, seems to be losing appetite but still purrs up a storm when scritched. Refuses food with ANY meds; L-Lysine, Amoxicillin, tooth meds, etc.; drinks a little kitten milk replacement unless I try to mix any meds in it; eats a very small amount of canned food unless I add meds; trying to syringe force her gets me scratched, she spits most of it up and she and I both get VERY stressed. Her teeth are rotting. She probably doesn't have long as I can't afford much in the way of meds on unemployment but I want to help her if I can so she has a good life as long as possible... Bless all of you for the information, support and help you offer. Hope to hear from you Ben. Kat On 7/9/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Don't ever make a tea of Chaparral, it is so bad tasting. Tried it once, no more! Could make a monkey climb up a tree backwards. Androgravis is not too good either. Best to disguise those 2. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: And then there is the herbal tonic made from Chaparral, Neem, Androgravis, and Graviola, that you can make yourself and take every day - it is used to cure cancers or keep cancer under control or not getting cancer for people and animals. Why not start with healthy eating, minerals and vitamins right now, instead of waiting for cancer to return? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now All of these egulations, etc. are making someone money somewere. It is protecting th US coporations who would loose mooney for one and I am sure someone else is lning his/her pockets. Just as with human meds. And then, after all that research even tho it is harmful to the consumer, the FDA takes the word of the manufacturer and alows distribution. Otherwise, why are we having so many recalls of drugs found to cause suffering and death. When I check into Meds that my dr has prescribed for me, I often find they can cause cancer specifically Lymphoma which I recently had and after years of chemo which failed I went into spontaneous remision. Why would I want to take them and have to deal with all that again? My oncologist has said that if it came back (been 7 years) she would be willing to monitor my blood and assist me in a course of healthy eating, vitamins and minerals. I refuse to go thru chemo again. You may as well be dead. Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans
Tee Hee... I will pretend I didn't get these emails. I will also pretend I have never done that kind of thing myself. What else can you do when the Government/FDA works so hard to protect ourselves from ourselves? (also known as make money) Kat On 7/7/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty
I know several dogs with similar symptoms who ended up having TICK PARALYSIS. I don't know if that happens with cats or not but you might want to check. As soon as the vet used a special tick collar called PrevenTix the dog that was completely paralysed was up and walking again. He is now a service dog. Again, don't know if similar can happen to cats and if there is a PrevenTix collar for cats but suggest you check? Kat On 6/25/11, Casper casper...@gmail.com wrote: After you talk with the vet you will make the right decision. One data point is a kitten we rescued a few years ago had the dry form of FIP but was so alert and alive we decide to treat her symptoms till it no longer made sense. Towards the end she lost the use of her back legs and would drag herself around - which sounds pathetic but only if you never met her ... she was all kitten in her heart and would joyfully play and have fun. We kept her to a confined area and cleaned up after her several times a day. Towards the end everyday we asked ourselves if she was having more joy than discomfort. Of course finally we had to let her go. Your love for IttyBitty will guide you to the right decision. On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: The clinic called with an update. Not sure it is good news, but he made it through the night. He is still not able to use his hind legs. He did not eat this moring but they said there was some interest, Moslty he lays on his left side and has a head tilt. Any one here with experience with this sort of problem? I am wondering how he will be once he is home. If there is going to be no improvement that would not be good. The Vet should be calling later any feedback would be a great help. And Melinda I hope VooDoo come back soon. I have been in your shoes before. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo is missing
Next time he comes around - and he probably will if he can find his way - don't scare/chase him. Take his toy, the food he likes (he will be hungry) and SIT down somewhere where he can see and hear you. Talk to him, put the food out, rattle the toy, just talk like you did when he was home and let him come to you. If he doesn't come around, go where you think he may be hiding and do the same. DON'T go after him. He is freaked out and needs things to look, smell and sound as normal as possible to lure him back. Good luck. Kat On 6/24/11, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: Hello all, It is with a very heavy heart that I am asking for some positive energy from this group! My son's friend left a door open last night and my little VooDoo escaped. He is terrified of being outdoors and all attempts to capture him only scared him more! We live on a military base and there are no wild animals to worry about and the speed limit on base is extremely slow. My greatest concern is that around 2:00am, he tried to come home and we absolutely scared him to death trying to get him to bring him inside. (He hasn't been out since he came to us as a five week old kitten) I'm worried that he might be afraid to come home. It breaks my heart to think of my little kissing bandit, hungry, scared and alone. He doesn't tolerate dry food well and I know some of the residents where I suspect he is hiding puts it out for the few strays. This is such a heavy burden for me and I am not taking it very well. Please just send your positive thoughts our way. Thanks for listening. Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
Thanks Lynda I am going to discuss with my vet altho I think I am OK as I have my negatives tested annually and all have been 'clean' for 2+ years now. Phew! Kat On 4/23/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: I've heard and read that testing for FeLV using tears and saliva is very inaccurate. Blood test is the only way to go. Tears and saliva are not as sensitive using these samples. I highly recommend using blood to test. Here is a link that may help you...your question is answered under What is a leukemia test? http://uvhberkeley.com/index.php?Page=felvFormat=print I hope your kitty tests negative. I'm experiencing the same right now. My cats last exposure was on March 10th. He was unknowingly exposed several times over a 6 mo. period. I'm pryaing hard that his immune system has cleared the virus and will be fine. I'll know for sure by this June. Good luck to you! Lynda - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test In reading thru all this info I see where someone says using tears/saliva to do the ELISA test is notoriously inaccurate? My vet has ALWAYS done it with a swab on the inner cheek of the mouth Do I need to talk to her? Why so different if done with blood? Can the same test solutions be used? She swabs. then puts the swab in a tube with a solution. We then wait to see if it turns blue. Blue means positive, staying clear means negative. Would appreciate any info. thanks Kat On 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
In reading thru all this info I see where someone says using tears/saliva to do the ELISA test is notoriously inaccurate? My vet has ALWAYS done it with a swab on the inner cheek of the mouth Do I need to talk to her? Why so different if done with blood? Can the same test solutions be used? She swabs. then puts the swab in a tube with a solution. We then wait to see if it turns blue. Blue means positive, staying clear means negative. Would appreciate any info. thanks Kat On 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in hand. My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will test positive on the next IFA in a month all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else. My vet is kinda skeptical too. But you all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input. My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done for some reason. Will probably try to do that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame out put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. There is a low to the floor desk I guess I will let her have that but will barricade everything else leave several open crates with towels around also. Meanwhile her appetite is very good. I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might have. Your thoughts, please please. Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Member
You go Charles! Sounds like you jumped in with both feet. This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information. FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary. I have one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old. Don't know if she was always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems. I vaccinate the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little needed thank goodness. Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and understanding that try to help. kat On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(
Terrie God has welcomed him. And Heaven isn't Heaven without our beloved animals so Taz and all the rest are purring their brains out in welcome too. Bless you Kat On 4/2/11, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I am sorry for your loss. My prayers are with you that in time the pain will lessen, may you be comforted by your family and friends and may your dear husband rest in peace until you are together again. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :( Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me. It is hard on me since we have been together for many years. He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in rescue. My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again. He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially by my Taz as he loved him too. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being. Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. I want to make myself available at all times for him. He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it isn't really. Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day. Sincerely, Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
Or people who like to invent stories trying to prove invalid points. On 3/28/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Amen. On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Debbie Bates wrote: LOLmy thoughts exactly. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws You just can't fix STUPID. Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:17:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws Not only that, they allowed those cats to go out and one of them was attacked by a pack of dogs...huge vet bill! The cat recuperated pretty well, and then baby came -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws Wow, what a bunch of D.A.s! Like my mama always said, Stupid people shouldn't breed. They should have found a GOOD home for the cats and euthanized themselves. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT OLD PEOPLE AND THEIR THIN SKINS NOT WANTING TO BE SCRTACHED, BUT WHY WOULD A CAT SCRATCH ANYONE, UNLESS ONE HAS A FERAL CAT THAT'S TERRIFIED WHEN CORNEREDIT'S LIKE PEOPLE DECLAWING THEIR CATS WHEN A BABY COMES ALONG. If the cat hasn't scratched them, why would it scratch the baby - besides, it's better to be scratched than bitten anytime! Years ago, neighbors adopted a baby and had their two 4-yr old cats declawed, worrying about scratches, although the cats never scratched them. When baby arrived, one of the cats bit the baby in the hand - seriously (never, ever having attempted to bite the neighbors). The baby didn't even provoke the cat - it was just lying on the floor. Both cats were euthanized the next day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
it resolved as time is running out. I have enough money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. Lorrie in WV On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing that makes me feel best. I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets concur it is a medical neccessity. Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if necessary and she has agreed. Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced if possible. kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
I am in South West Ohio about 1 hour north of Cincinnati. I am within 2 hours of Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton. kat On 2/28/11, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal, I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know what I mean. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing that makes me feel best. I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets concur it is a medical neccessity. Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if necessary and she has agreed. Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced if possible. kat On 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie
Comeon Rosie! We are all pulling for you! Listen to us and fight to stay healthy so you can play with your new siblings. Kat On 2/20/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: We thought she was the survivor-She is the last of the litter of 5 kittens we caught in Oct 2008. Her 4 brothers passed in 2009, a month apart. She made it to 2 years, now 2 1/2tonight I felt a lump on the left side of her neck. I am hoping our vet is open tomorrow. She is not showing any pain-I checked her neck and throat because she gagged a little tonight, but nothing came up. She had tonsillitis in January and was on Zithromax-she came out of that just fine. I am dreading this-we just lost Murphy in October from Lymphoma. Rosie was so lonely when he passed-she became depressed-slept all of the time, we were so worried-she checked out fine, we had her blood work done-all ok. We ended up adopting 2 negative kitties-a male that was 6-7 months old and a female that is 9-10 months old. The rescue vaccinated each one twice for FeLV and kept them an extra month-their vet thought they would be fine since they were pretty mature and were already negative. She has been running and playing again and we thought all was well in the world. I hope this lump isn't Lymphoma. Alice...owned by Rosie, Sachi and Miso!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leona Jean Yahmuna
Megan, I am in Ohio so can't help you that way but would strongly recommend you get Leona Jean on L-Lysine. I cannot tell you exactly what it is or how it does what it appears to do but I am sure some of the others can fill you in. I have two cats that are FIV positive and have had them on L-Lysine for well over a year. After a few weeks any recurrence of their upper respiratory symptoms was negligible and neither of them has had a recurrence at all in many months. Both are fat and sassy, with clear eyes and noses. No sneezing, rattling, etc. It apparently helps bolster their immune system and while I in no way think it is a miracle or the end-all for this nasty disease, I think it is of great value. Go on line and look for it or go to a local health food store. If your cat is picky or hard to pill or medicate I suggest the soft treats. A bit more expensive but great for fickle cats. My two will fight over the things and come running when I rattle the container they are in. Kat On 2/20/11, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: Leona Jean is the FIV female who came to my patio on Thanksgiving Day. I have written of her before and was graciously advised to check out the FIV group. Her upper respiratory symptoms are back - - the worst since she presented. Leona Jean is now having a little goop in the corners of her eyes and the mucous is beginning to string. She has been on about four different antibiotics. The vet said on the last visit that her lungs sounded clear. Does that mean nose sinuses are where the infection is? We just finished the 200 mg azithromycin the vet put her on last time. Leona Jean's respiratory symptoms diminish only somewhat but really don't even come close to clearing. The vet had advised to use the azithromycin daily and then on alternate days. Humidity and hydrating with juice don't seem to help like they did before. She won't drink homemade chicken broth either. comments? I wouldn't fight at all if someone knew of a superb FIV home for her. My own local inquires have come up empty. She is sweet, sleeps with me, maybe has a megacolon. We are in the Piedmont of NC. Thank you. Megan which brings the third comment: dealing with personal exhaustion; finding a balance; $ issues. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
Besides the fact that he isn't hurting anymore he will never be scared again. Thank God. I believe you said you had taken him to a vet who hadn't been too helpful and were taking him to a vet you trusted today? If I am remembering correctly I would be very upset the first vet apparently hadn't found this lymphoma. And make very sure none of my business went to him or her again. He is waiting for you just as all of our sweeties are waiting for us. If there are no animals in heaven it isn't heaven and I don't wanna go. Kat. On 2/4/11, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon. He had an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that he could even be made more comfortable. He crashed at the beginning of this week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to eat, drink or even to stand. He has been very unhappy and scared all week long. When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection. As his health improved he became such a happy cat! He was so happy to be alive, he always wanted to play and be loved. This is a you-tube link to a video I took of him a few months ago. He would come to me and ask me to come and play with him and then lead me to the toys. http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig Rest in peace my darling Tweezer. My heart is breaking but at least there is no feline leukemia where you are now. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
