[Felvtalk] Doxorubicin with or without Human Interferon or Feline Interferon
Hello, Our 1 and ½ year old male, Bado, is FELV+ and has been taking 1ml of Human Interferon once per day, seven days on and seven days off, since March of 2019. Bado was just diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia. We have started treating Bado with chemo using Doxorubicin. Does anyone know if the Doxorubicin is more or less effective either combined with Human Interferon or Feline Interferon, or if we should halt the use of all Interferon for a time and just deal with the chemo? Our oncologist and internist work well together, but they do not have a definitive answer for us, so at this point we are leaning towards halting the use of all Interferon to be certain it does not interfere with the chemo Doxorubicin. We also want to be sure that this is not creating additional risks for Bado to stop all Interferon. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Wendy and Bado ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Knowledge or experience dealing with an FELV+ cat with Acute Myeloid Leukemia?
Hello, Bado, our 1 and ½ year old male cat is FELV+ and today was just diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia, AML-M6, which we found because he was severely anemic, lethargic, and had decreased appetite. He is being treated with Doxy and Pred now. We see the oncologist on Tuesday. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of treatment for acute myeloid leukemia, especially in an FELV+ cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?
Thank you so much, again, Amani On Sep 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Wendy I was going to comment on that issue earlier, but I thought you had already gone ahead with the bone marrow testing. I am not sure there is any other treatment, regardless of the outcome of the testing. I personally agree with you that I probably would choose not to put my cat through bone marrow testing, when it really can’t affect the outcome. I am glad to hear that he is feeling better after the two transfusions. Use the Doxy-Pred-Winstrol combination now, and hopefully, your kitten’s haematocrit doesn’t end up falling after the temporary boost from the blood transfusion. The life span of a red blood cell is 120 days (at least in humans), and the blood transfusions will have red cells at different stages of their life spans, so you probably already know that the effect of the transfusions will probably only last 3 months or so. Hopefully by then the Winstrol would have kicked in to assist the bone marrow in producing red cells. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 10:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat? Hello, Thank you all for your replies earlier today. Our cats’ red count is coming back after 2 blood transfusions, and we started doxy today. He is eating, drinking, purring, has much better energy, is back to talking, etc. We are awaiting results that we should have tomorrow morning on the test of his lymphocytes using blood that was drawn before the blood transfusions. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes contain cancer cells, then we have our answer. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes do not contain cancer cells, then it has been suggested that we do bone marrow testing asap tomorrow afternoon. My understanding is that the bone marrow test would likely either show that he has myelodysplasia or cancer in his bone marrow. My question is: Would the suggested treatment of Doxy + Pred + Winstrol change if we find out that our cat has myelodysplasia vs if he has cancer in his bone marrow? If the treatment is the same, then I question putting our cat at the risk of anesthesia, lowering his red count, infection, etc. The plan is to start our cat on Doxy + Pred + Winstrol tomorrow afternoon, and we are being told that if we want to test his bone marrow we need to do it tomorrow morning before we start giving him steroids. In addition, his chest x-ray today was clean, and his abdominal ultrasound showed a slightly enlarge spleen and either a few slightly enlarged lymph nodes or possibly a few small satellite spleens, all of which seems can be expected with the anemia and / or infection, and therefore was not cause for concern. Following are the background facts, which I also posted this morning: Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work: Tests ResultsRef. Range Total Protein 6.1 5.2- 8.8 g/dL Albumin 3.5 2.5- 3.9 g/dl Globulin 2.6 2.3- 5.3 g/dL A/G Ratio 1.30.35- 1.5 AST (SGOT) 106 (HIGH) 10-100 IU/L ALT (SGPT) 3910- 100 IU/L Alk Phosphatase406- 102 IU/L GGT 11- 10 IU/L Total Bilirubin 0.1
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Amani, Thank you very much for your detailed response. I apologize for my poor explanation regarding the blood transfusion not being effective. You are correct, that it was merely a dilution effect from the iv fluids. All the best, Wendy From: Amani Oakley Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT As others have mentioned in reply to your post, I have used a combination of Winstrol (Stanozolol), Doxycycline and Prednisone. The blood work seems to show that there is an affect on both the red cell lines and platelets. That suggests that this is a bone marrow depression, and in turn that suggests that this is likely the effect of FeLV. My experience has been that the Winstrol seems to turn back on or encourage the growth of new bone marrow cells, and is really great for increasing red cell indices (red cell counts, haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocyte count), and I saw it take effect pretty quickly. My cat's haematocrit was down to 10 after two separate rounds of blood transfusion. By the way, I don't understand the explanation in your email, that you've been told that the blood transfusion wasn't effective because of too much IV fluids. That doesn't make a lot of sense. You are still infusing the same volume of red cells, whether that is diluted by the IV fluids or not. I agree that the lab results may show a dilution effect because of the IV fluids, but that just means that when the excess fluid is pee'd out, then the haematocrit result will go up. By the way, if there is truly a dilution effect, it will show on a number of lab results like sodium, potassium, urea and platelets. What I had my cat on was: Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 mg, 2 times a day (though this can be dramatically increased if necessary) Doxycycline 50 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 25 mg, 2 times a day) Prednisone/Prednisolone 5 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 2.5 mg, 2 times a day) Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT Importance: High Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?
4.5 (LOW)9.3- 15 .9 g/dL HCT 29-48 % ' The hematocrit in th 27. (Normal range 29-48). A recent study has indicated that >23% of anemic cats are infected with one or more species of hemoplasma and several studies confirm that PCR is significantly more sensitive in detecting hemoplasma. MCV 5737-61 fl MCH 18.2 11-21 pg MCHC 3230-38 g/dl Poikilocytosis Slight NRBC 9(HIGH)0-1/100 WBC Blood Parasites None Seen RBC Comment Rouleaux Moderate Platelet Count 78 (LOW)200-500 10'/µL Platelet count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping. Platelet EstimateAdequate DifferentialAbsolute o/o Neutrophils (LOW)1640 8 2500 - 8500 /µL Bands 0 Lymphocytes (HIGH) 17630861200 - 8000 /µL Monocytes (HIGH)10255 0-600 /µ L Eosinophils0 0 0-1000 /µ L Basophils (HIGH) 205 1 0- 150 /µL FREE T4 BY EQU ILIBRIUM D IALYS IS (Pending) UR INALYSIS- C OMPL ETE Collection Method Cystocentesis 0.8- 4.0 µ g/dl Color Appearance Specific Gravity pH DARK YELLOW TURBID 1.056 1.015- 1.060 7.0 5.5- 7.0 Protein2+ (HIGH)NEGATIVE Glucose-StripNEGATIVENEGATIVE Ketones NEGATIVENEGATIVE Bilirubin NEGATIVENEGATIVE Occult BloodNEGATIVE NEGATIVE WBC NONE0-3 HPF RBC NONE0-3 HPF Casts NONE SEEN Hyaline 0-3 LPF Crystals NONE SEEN HPF Bacteria Epithelial CellsNONE SEEN NONE SEEN None Seen HPF HPF Fat Droplets >50 HPF RETICULOCYTE COUNT REFLEX Reticulocyte Total Abso lute Ret iculocytes 0.6 0-1 % 15000 <45,000 JµL Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you again, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - reposting as other email too long
Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
He is getting the interferon orally and it is never being injected. On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. He takes the interferon orally, and not by injection. Sorry for all of the responses, I’m trying to figure out this system and worried about our precious cat. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy > On Sep 18, 2019, at 11:03 PM, "felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org" > wrote: > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT (Wendy) > 2. PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL > BLOOD WORK (Wendy) > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL BLOOD WORK
-38 g/dl Poikilocytosis Slight NRBC 9(HIGH) 0-1 /100 WBC Blood Parasites None Seen RBC Comment Rouleaux Moderate Platelet Count 78 (LOW)200-500 10'/µL Platelet count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping. Platelet EstimateAdequate DifferentialAbsolute o/o Neutrophils (LOW)1640 8 2500 - 8500 /µL Bands 0 Lymphocytes (HIGH) 17630861200 - 8000 /µL Monocytes (HIGH)10255 0-600 /µ L Eosinophils0 0 0-1000 /µ L Basophils (HIGH) 205 1 0- 150 /µL FREE T4 BY EQU ILIBRIUM D IALYS IS (Pending) UR INALYSIS- C OMPL ETE Collection Method Cystocentesis 0.8- 4.0 µ g/dl Color Appearance Spec ific Gravity pH DARK YELLOW TURBID 1.056 1.015- 1.060 7.0 5.5- 7.0 Protein 2+ (HIGH) NEGATIVE Urine protein:creatini ne ratio testing is recommended (if the sediment is inactive) to he lp determine the clinical significance of proteinuria. Glucose-Strip NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Ketones NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Bilirubin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Occult Blood NEGATIVE NEGATIVE WBC NONE 0-3 HPF RBC NONE 0-3 HPF Casts NONE SEEN Hyaline 0-3 LPF Crystals NONE SEEN HPF Bacteria Epithelial Cells NONE SEEN NONE SEEN None Seen HPF HPF Fat Droplets >50 HPF RETICULOCYTE COUNT REFLEX Reticulocyte Total Abso lute Ret iculocytes 0.6 0-1 % 15000 <45,000 JµL Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Seizure activity in my FeLV cat
Do any of you have experience with seizure activity in your felv kitties? My five and one half year old felv cat has had multiple episodes of what the vet believes are small, focal seizures. They begin with ear twitching, which increases until he becomes extremely frightened, he appears to be trying to close his eyes and he runs and hides. Ear mites/fleas have been ruled out. He has vomited on several occasions prior to the episode beginning. He is healthy in all other respects. Do you have suggestions for management? This boy is my sole survivor of three felv babies we had from six weeks of age. I love him dearly and want to do my very best for him. Thank you for any suggestions or comments you can give me. I very much appreciate this group as a resource!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind
Anne,I am so sorry to hear the news about Dublin and we will all hope that with time, he will regain sight. I can only say to you that he has the very best Mom to help him through this! He will adapt to his new circumstances with time. He will also take in all your love and know that he is in such good hands...Jasper and I send hugs to you both!Wendy --- On Wed, 2/15/12, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 12:43 PM I rescued a blind and deaf 10 year old cat that was left out in an open field to die a little over two weeks ago. I hope your cat regains his sight but if he doesn't, please don't panic. He will learn to adjust in time. I am so sorry! Search the internet. There is a lot of info on there regarding blind cats. Jannes From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind Sometimes the sight comes back. We had a non-FeLV cat at the shelter that went bling after surgery she slowly regained her sight after a couple weeks. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive lesions (his third dental surgery in six months). He came through OK it seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal range). But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet realized that Dublin seems to be blind. He did all the ocular tests they do and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, no evidence of hypoxia, etc. But only his left eye is even minimally reactive to light. The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all. Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal cat. I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I adopted him and learned he was FeLV+. But he seemed to see fine. While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to adapt. He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has scarcely been out of a tech's arms since. (He is the most loving, people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's almost a joke how much he likes it there.) I am crazy with distress and also with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well. I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a FeLV-blindness link. Anne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
I have just signed up for felv talk and truly appreciate finding this group! After fostering three kittens, our family decided to adopt them when we received the results that all three were positive for feline leukemia. We kept all three and have one cat still with us who will turn five years old in May. I tell you this to let you know that I have been where you are with Ginger twice...in both situations, our kitties had severe anemia. The first time, I know that I let our little one suffer too long due to my difficulty letting her go. The second time, I knew when it was time to euthanize and was able to say a peaceful and gentle goodbye. I listened closely when our vet presented the options. As Marcia said, it's a fine line to walk because you want to do all that you can do for your baby but you do not want to see him suffer. I will keep you and Ginger in my good thoughts and am so sorry about the situation. Wendy --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 1:30 PM Hi I just have to be totally honest here so that you and Ginger don't go through what my little Fletch went through. I didn't make it to the vet on time. Fletch died in his crate while I was racing to get him there to stop his suffering. He died a horrible death, and I will never ever forget it. Now, none of us can see your kitty, or what kind of shape it is in, but please, don't wait to long. It's a hard decision because there IS hope for Felv cats. It's a fine line to walk. And I think it's very hard, anymore, to find a vet who will actually tell you to euthanize. My thoughts are with you. I'm so sorry you and Ginger have to go through this. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:39 AM, botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(
Terrie, I am so deeply sorry for your loss. You must be one strong woman. Praying for peace and comfort for you. I can't imagine... :( Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:27:12 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :( Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me. It is hard on me since we have been together for many years. He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in rescue. My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again. He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially by my Taz as he loved him too. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being. Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. I want to make myself available at all times for him. He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it isn't really. Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day. Sincerely, Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buddy left for the Rainbow Bridge today.
Dana, I'm so sorry to hear about your sweet Buddy. Prayers for peace for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 11:59:08 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buddy left for the Rainbow Bridge today. HI All, please add my boy Buddy to the list. He was 10 years old, both Felv and Fiv positive. He passed earlier today about a half hour after a seizure. He had no prior seizure activity I was aware of, in fact I thought he was in great condition and would be around for a couple more years. He went completely limp after the seizure and at first I actually thought he was dead. But a little breath showed on the mirror in front of his nose, and then I hoped he would come round in at least some fashionbut it didn't happen, he was barely breathing, I couldn't tell if he was conscious or not the whole time - and then just as we got to the vets, he stopped. There was nothing they could do. I am really grateful I was home (my worst fear was he would be alone) and able to be with him when he passed and I really hope he was aware he was not alone, and I was trying to help him. He was absolutely an awesome friend, such a patient cat, surprisingly sweet and playful for an old, very tough ex-TomCat. He was finally getting plump and really loving scratchies and pets. A total joy for me to see inside, safe and happy. I knew him the last three years - after feeding him for two, last winter is the year I caught him and insisted he stay inside. We worked really hard to get to a very good place and it was worth it. He worked the hardest; he still was willing to trust me. I am really sad. I miss my friend in my house. His room feels incredibly empty and even though he wasn't allowed out of his room, I feel the absence of his physical and spiritual presence everywhere. I am getting him cremated (in his cozy soft bed he loved, if they will allow it) so he will be back, sort of, but this is the first time I have had one of my cats in someone else's care when out of my house. I never leave them alone in a strange place. I know it's weird but it's creeping me out thinking of him alone, even if he is curled in his beloved bed, at the doctors office. I didn't like leaving him there. :( All, if you can, give your kitties a kiss, a hug and a treat today to thank them for still being around. I know I am! Best, Dana and her 6 other furbabies (Callie, Hobbie, Greyling, Fuzzy, Magical Forest Creature and Honeybunny Pouf) . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o)
Great! Thank you! The first site has great pics! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o) Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sub Q fluids
Does anyone know how long the bags can be used? Do they expire and if so, about how long? Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
Sue, Thank you for sharing the video of your beautiful Tweezer with us. He was just gorgeous! And so, so lucky to have you loving him. Prayers for peace and comfort for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 7:05:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone. Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon. He had an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that he could even be made more comfortable. He crashed at the beginning of this week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to eat, drink or even to stand. He has been very unhappy and scared all week long. When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection. As his health improved he became such a happy cat! He was so happy to be alive, he always wanted to play and be loved. This is a you-tube link to a video I took of him a few months ago. He would come to me and ask me to come and play with him and then lead me to the toys. http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig Rest in peace my darling Tweezer. My heart is breaking but at least there is no feline leukemia where you are now. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel
Stacy, I have not read the FeLV site emails in months, but had time to read Spanky's whole story today. I just saw this email come up, right after reading your story, and I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I was wow'ed while reading by your perseverance and love for Spanky. I'm dealing with EGC with my cat Smookie, and the posts made regarding Spanky will help me with researching a better treatment. Thank you. All your posts will be helpful to other furbaby owners who are fighting this disease, so thank you for taking the time to write them. Again, I'm so sorry about your Spanky. Sending prayers for peace and comfort for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: S Z szbigcatsr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 12:11:54 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel Hello everyone: We haven't posted much on this list for awhile since Spanky was diagnosed with cranial mediastinal lymphoma. It is with a broken heart that I am posting to say that Spanky lost his battle with FELV and lymphoma on New Year's eve day. He had a seizure earlier in the week after taking an appetite stimulant and things went downhill this past week and his phosphorous was so low the vet said they had never seen a cat with low phos like this, and he developed severe non-regenerative anemia. His type of lymphoma was fast growing and he wasn't able to have a chemo treatment for weeks either. Thank you so much to everyone on this list, your kitties, your angels for all the help and support and love you've shown to us. You were an absolutely wonderful support network. Without this group we wouldn't have tried the LCTI imulan, interferon or the many supplements we learned about like Transfer factor etc. I wish all of you the best in 2011 and beyond and will purray your furbabies stay as healthy as they possibly can. We send purrayers and healing thoughts to all of you. Thanks again Stacy and Angel Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?
Hey guys, Where do you order your L-lysine from (for those of you who order it online) and about how much are you paying for it? I can't find in my archives any websites to order from, so thought I would just ask. Thank you! :) Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?
Thank you so much for the sources! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 4:18:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine? I buy the L-lysine powder to avoid additives. I get 1 lb containers from iHerbs. http://www.iherb.com/L-Lysine No idea if there is a cheaper source for the pure powder. Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 3:50 PM I got mine at Puritan's Pride when they have the buy one get three free. Which I belive is going on right now. I get my vitamins there too for me. Sally Davis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Laura, I'm so sorry to hear about your Bridget. I hope that you realize that you did not kill her. Your guilt is normal, but not founded. She was lucky to have you loving and caring so well for her. Again, I'm very sorry you lost her. I pray for healing and comfort for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:45:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] some comfort
Wow...is all I can say. That brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] some comfort I think I mentioned a few days ago that I would be speaking with an animal communicator about Bridget. That happened tonight. I do feel better. I'd been so upset about my decision to have her spayed in spite of my apprehension, but he said he felt she had a weak immune system, perhaps liver problems, and the body she had wouldn't have lasted long. He said the vet did give her too much anesthesia - it was the standard amount for a cat her size, but it was just too much for her because she had some underlying problems. It was interesting. He said she'd been part of a litter with other cats who looked very much like her (very true) and who had the same problem (her brother died in September). He did say that he didn't see Chutney or the other cats around her, even though he knew that I had had other cats who had passed. This is where it gets strange. He said, She's showing me a whole lot of other cats and says you just got two more cats. (yes, the FeLV+ cat from Smyrna and one from work who tested positive for FIV so I just kept him.) These cats came just a few days ago. He said, be prepared, she says more cats will be coming. He wanted to know if I worked in rescue, and I do work at a shelter. I asked him if she said anything about other animals, and he said she was talking about a medium sized, very noisy black dog (she kept saying I heard the dog) who hadn't been around for very long (I just got that dog back in early January). That's a dog who would always jump up at her when I let the dogs into the house, and she's the noisiest damn dog ever. And he said she kept mentioning a farm and some other sort of animal, but he wasn't sure what. I don't have farm animals but I do have a ton of turtles who spend winters in the garage with the positive cats summers outdoors. That might be what he was referring to. I asked him whether she liked where she was buried. He said, She says it's a memorial garden with flowers and a big oak tree, and she's with others. Very true! And the strangest thing: I wondered if she was still around, and he said, You have a very big, comfortable bed with a very soft burgundy or wine colored throw on it, and that's where she is. And yes - it's a thick, double fleece wine colored big blanket, and it's always on the bed, and the cats and the dogs love it as much as I do. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] gassy cat
Stop feeding him Mexican food...LOLOLOL! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 7:43:21 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] gassy cat Harley is sleeping in my arm as i write, passing gas big time. he has done this before and you can smell it all the way across the room. any suggestions as to why? is he eating too fast? gets same food as Dee, Hill's kitten healthy development. Lord have mercy, i love him, but! dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA
Sharyl, I am so sorry about Butterball and Smoky Jo. And God, I hate PETA too, for so many reasons, this one above all They are a bunch of kooks. They are way over the top, and it would be really nice if we could exterminate anyone in PETA who is not in perfect health. Maybe then they would finally get the message. I can't imagine how you feel, and if I were in your shoes, I'm not sure I would be sane enough for a while to make any rational decisions because I would be so angry, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Nothing angers me more than innocent animals being harmed. Again, I'm so sorry... Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:51:08 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA Thnksgiving Day I finally trapped Smoky Jo in the dumpster colony I feed. Then Sunday I trapped Butterball. A new group is organizing here on the Eastern Shore to help with low cost speutering of ferals. Wed. the PETA SNIPS van came to speuter pets ($45) and ferals (#25). I took Smokey Jo and Butterball. My other low cost speutering place had fallen through and the only other option is $200 per cat at the animal hospital. I knew PETA sucks but had no idea how bad. The release form I signed said they could kill any animal testing positive for FeLV or FIV. I explained to the vet I would sanctuary them if they tested positive in my garage/cat enclosure. She checked with her supervisor and told me no exceptions. I should have left then but both of mine seemed healthy. When I went to pick them up I found out they had killed both Smoky Jo and Butterball!! I am devastated. PETA has a real problem with feral cats. The only way they'll let their van spay/neuter ferals is if all who test positive for FeLV or FIV are killed. PETA's way of exterminating ferals I guess. Smoky Jo tested positive for FeLV and Butterball for FIV. What really burns me is the SNAP test used is not 100% for FeLV. Don't know about FIV. But FIV is generally spread by deep bites. Once Butterball was fixed he wouldn't be fighting anymore. Just PETA's way of 'thinning the herd' I guess. Then they kept my money. Needless to say I won't be going back unless I find a way around the PETA policy. The Spay the Shore guy is going to try and find a vet to pre-test any future ferals I trap. Then if they are positive for either I'll have to find some other way to have them fixed. I'm broken hearted. Those two kitties trusted me to do right by them. Neither was ill. And now they are gone. It rained all the way home. Almost like the heavens were crying with me for them. Please consider what PETA stands for before donating any money to them. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address
With that line of thinking, I guess PETA also believes that people with AIDS or inoperable/untreatable cancer should also be put out of their misery too... Ridiculous! I am p_ssed right now! :( Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 9:13:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address Aren't they vehemently opposed to any pet ownership at all? But I simply don't get why they would consider this treatment ethical -- nor how they can justify killing animals by saying they're saving them from future suffering that might never happen -- and in Sharyl's case, would NOT have happened. These people need slapping down. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address What was their reason for this/ did they give one? Unconscionable act. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address well, actually, as some folks have hinted at, they are just as bad about household cats as they are about ferals. these folks are NOT friends to animals--anyone have links to the VA case where they were taking adoptables from shelters, supposedly to adopt them out, then euthing them in the back of their van--and leaving the bodies in shopping mall dumpsters? i think the only thing they ended up convicted of was possession of drugs without a license or something similar, as animals are just property, after all, with no intrinsic value. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Amy, It sounds like you have it under control and are doing the best you can, with your vet's and Belinda's wonderful help! Wolfie is VERY lucky to have you looking out for him. I bet you see great results with the doxy since his test came up positive for the hemobart (but I think it takes a week or two to work). Please keep us posted on Wolfie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos He had a blood draw on July 2nd. We did hemobart, CBC, and a thyroid panel. We started him on pred Thursday evening when we got the hemobart results and we started him on doxy and Pet-Tinic yesterday. I'll check into getting Nutrived, thanks! Good idea about the ear tip to check the HCT. We don't want to do the full draw for a couple weeks because I guess the full panel really does take a lot of blood so we want to see how he responds to this before doing a large draw. I don't know what the HCT is right now but he's not acting any different where I suspect it's decreasing rapidly. I didn't want to keep taking him and checking it if his symptoms aren't changing because my vet is 45 minutes away and I thought the stress wouldn't be great for him. Do you think I should be constantly checking it even if he's not acting lethargic or anemic? Amy --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:06 PM PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw? On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then do the full draw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
Ok, this might be a great idea! I wonder how they balance it/keep it from tumping over? It must have extra heavy plastic on the bottom. Thanks so much! I have tried other types of litter. She's just weird...lol! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Kat kathryn.mund...@baesystems.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:20:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? Hi Wendy, They do make a top-opening litter box: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0002ZS20I/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8n=284507s=kitchen But maybe Pepper is objecting to the texture of the litter on her paws? Have you tried using different litter - or even an empty litter box? Also, if nothing else works, you could get some of the doggy pee pads to put under the box - that way the urine gets absorbed by the pads makes clean-up much easier. Good Luck! Kat (Mew Jersey) On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, wendy wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA
Oh ok. Makes sense. Thanks Gloria! :) Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:32:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA I think she means do not adopt. Course location is pretty important, wonder where it is. I figure it's not in Arkansas,, so didn't respond. Gloria On Jun 28, 2009, at 11:11 PM, wendy wrote: What is a confidential DNA? Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:18:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA All, I have a confidential DNA. If you want to inquire, please email me privately. Thanks, Laurie lauriesk...@mchsi.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
Great ideas! Thank you guys! I wish I would have known about heating the plastic before cutting. Would have thrown one less fit...lol! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:29:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? While everyone is talking about totes: They make nice shelters for cats, especially if they are insulated and filled with pine needles (Mom's ferals and four of my cats all came from a pine thicket) or straw. On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Sharyl wrote: Wendy, since Pepper is healthy I wouldn't bother putting any opening in the tote. I use the large Rubbermaid totes for litter boxes. Mine just jump in them. As Leroy got into his late teens, he had trouble getting in the tote. I just put a small rubbermaid stool next to it. He used that to climb in. I did save the hood of an old litter box that I set on top of one tote for when the kitties want privacy. It doesn't snap on but the tote is in a corner and it balances on the tote pretty good. The girls seem to like privacy when they poop. All of my boys have always stood up to pee. Don't know why. That's why I went to totes. For the dumpster rescues in the cat enclosure, I left the lid on the tote and cut a opening in one of the small sides. Keeps the rain out of the litter and they don't seem to have any problems getting in it. Found it easier to cut the tote after heating the side with a heat gun. A hair dryer would probably work. Then I covered the edges with duct tape so they wouldn't hurt themselves. Sharyl --- On Sun, 6/28/09, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:38 PM Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty (feral)
I am sitting here typing with my previously feral cat lying next to me, her head on my leg looking up at me. I had no choice but to trap her when in NC for my grandmother's funeral because she was my grandma's cat and my uncle was going to trap her anyway and release her at some farm...g... Anyway, couldn't find a home for her while I was there, so she made the trip back to Texas with me and did beautifully. The day after we arrived back home, I opened her cage at my house in a very small room and she let me touch her after she'd explored the room. That was two years ago, and she doesn't even want to leave the house now to go outside, uses the litter box religiously, and in my opinion, is a very happy, mostly domesticated kitty. I am no expert, but if you truly want to adopt/domesticate her, it might be better to trap her and do the things Chris was talking about. Good luck with the kitten. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: expressprin...@aol.com expressprin...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:07:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty Hi Folks: You all were such a big help to me last summer when we rescued a little cat who was diagnosed with feline leukemia. Sadly, we lost little Smokey but?my husband?is now in the process of trying to tame and catch?a wild little kitten that is on?his job. He's?eating the?food he gives him?but he will not let him touch him. Any suggestions? Also, what is the chance that an abandoned kitten has feline leukemia? Does it help to catch the decease early? Thank you for your help, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:52 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Some PetsMart stores have an attached vet clinic called Banfield. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/18/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:54 PM It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D But is it simply called A/D with Banfield?? What is Banfield? Thanks, Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle? Philo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
Thank you! I have a rubbermaid container in there right now, however I think I cut the opening too low, so going to Walmart to get another and will try again. Hopefully this will work a little better. :) Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:51:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? I use 18 gallon rubbermaid (or knock-off) totes. Depending on age and condition, your cat may be able to jump in to the tote. This works for Copper and Thomas and worked for Dixie. I started this with Ebony who was getting a little older and had touble getting down. The urine hit the back of the tote and eliminated a lot of problems (yes, you have to clean it more often if this happens but I would rather clean plastic than drywall). I cut a U-shaped piece out of the tote on a short end for Ebony. If you find you have to make the cut out make it high so Pepper has to really work at hitting the opening. I never put a lid on the tote. Do not put too much litter in the tote. It is tempting to put extra in but you don't need it and it may make it uncomfortable for the cat to walk. On Jun 28, 2009, at 3:38 PM, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA
What is a confidential DNA? Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:18:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA All, I have a confidential DNA. If you want to inquire, please email me privately. Thanks, Laurie lauriesk...@mchsi.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Charlotte to the CLS
Laura, I haven't been on here in a while, but I just wanted to say how sorry I am that you lost Charlotte. It sounds like she was very lucky to have you loving her. Prayers for peace going out to you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Laura Mostello hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:51:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Charlotte to the CLS Charlotte has just passed away. I came home from work, went into her room and she was lying on her side, crying and breathing heavily. I ran and let my dogs out, came back to her and held her for what turned out to be about 4 hours. She gradually slowed down, but was responding to my voice for quite a while. Eventually that stopped and I knew she was probably unconscious. She passed at the stroke of midnight, and I know it sounds crazy, but I immediately felt so calm - I can only explain it by saying that as soon as she died I physically felt her suffering end. It was so strange. I am sitting here crying as I write this even though I know it's better and she won't be in pain any more. But she'd been doing so well and eating like a pig. Just this morning she was stuffing her face with chicken. So I thought that maybe I could have her with me for just a while longer, and just maybe she'd be one who survived despite the odds. Guess I was wrong. I hate this disease. Thanks everyone for all your help. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridge Addition- Shaft
Hi Tonya, I'm sorry to hear about Shaft, and your other sick kitty. Shaft lived a long time!!! He was a lucky kitty to have had you! :) Prayers going out for your comfort, Take care, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:45:15 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridge Addition- Shaft Hello Everyone, I know I haven't been online much lately. I've had 2 very sick (felv -) kitties. On Tuesday I had to have my big boy Shaft euthanized. He had hyperthyroid, lymphoma, etc... He lived 15 years with me and I don't know how old he was when I pulled him from the shelter, but he was old. My other sick cat (Bob) is doing well with his crf for now. It seems like my positive cat (knock on wood) is my healthiest cat. lol. It just goes to show you what a shame it is that people put down cats for being positive. I'm sorry for any losses I've not responded to. I know how you feel. :( tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS
Hey Sherry, I'm sorry to hear about Flanagan and the rest of your rescue babies who have passed over the bridge. I hope this message finds you well. As always, you are an angel for what you do. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:45:39 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS Well we sadly lost another one of our Sids kids.Flanagan was quite the spunky boy.He was an orange tiger that LOVED to wash windows! He has had his ups and downs in the passed six months.And just recently got a bunch of his feisty silliness back,even just this Monday he helped me do the special feedings and kept me company.He passed away during the night last night and I feel for the volunteers that went in and found him this morning.I would have been devastated.We knew his time was getting shorter but he just made a major comeback.Maybe he was just giving us a last glimpse of the Flanny we have ALL came to love.We love you baby boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey
AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? Diagnosed at 2.5 yo WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? I didn't do anything until he became symptomatic at 4.5 yo, which is when I found this list WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? Science Diet then; Innova Evo now WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH? Mine are all indoor; I let them go in the backyard with me sometimes, but only under supervision LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? My FeLV+ did live in the house with my 3 others, none of which became positive; they were vaccinated HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? At 2.5 yo, when he was diagnosed, he had all his nails ripped out from running from a dog, going up a brick column trying to get away. His nails got infected, and he got very sick, which the vet didn't catch. He just ran tests and said FeLV+, and gave up on him. I finally figured out what happened when the vet had tested him for FeLV and then just left him in his cage with no treatment, even after I asked him to give IV fluids if he wasn't taking water, which he wasn't. I had a horrible gut feeling, and left work to go check on him, and found him lying in his cage, almost lifeless, no fight left in him, and the vet wasn't taking care of him. Took him home with anti-biotics and nursed him back to health with fluids and assist feeding every hour or so, and antibiotics. I noticed his feet then, and realized what must have happened. He was fine for another two years, until a hurricane hit Texas and my ex-husband's family came to stay with us for a week (10 of them) and it stressed my kitty out and he developed anemia. He died about three weeks later. WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? 4.5 yo WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? anemia. I did not treat with doxycycline for hemobart at the time. Had I a do-over, I certainly would have. Strongly suspect he might have had hemobart, but at the time, I did not know about hemobart, and frankly was overwhelmed trying to help him and deal with his illness and quick demise. It was heartbreaking. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge
Terrie, I am so sorry to hear about your mother's passing. You have been such a kind and caring, not to mention valuable, member of this group. I pray that all your kindnesses are repaid in the way of comfort and peace for you while grieving the passing of your mother. She must have been some lady to have raised a woman like you. God bless you and your family, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: tatorb...@aol.com tatorb...@aol.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:50:08 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge Hello everyone, I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me feel little better. To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior emails. Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording. Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by emails, phone calls, also in person to my mother and myself. With great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this morning. As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father. I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough to feed and do litter boxes. She was an avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and kittens. She was a reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's. Her breed was Siamese and Persian cats. In the last 20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties into her home. They were given very much needed love and care. When she would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home during the last year she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home. She would call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along with my personal kitties. So she could be around them all and give them plenty of love. She took such pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly. Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could get away with it. Her services will be at a later date. I will let you all know. My brother is putting article in the local newspaper about her within the next day or two. Thanks again for all your support in the past and present regarding my mother! Please vote! _http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145_ (http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145) Tazzys Animal Transports/Siamese and Collie Rescue Sultan, WA 98294 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) Board Member for national rescue. _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker Copyright © 2007-2008 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. **From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom0023) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I have personally witnessed Lysine clear up a corneal ulcer in my kitten that
the meds the vet prescribed would not clear up. She was off all other meds, on
the lysine for 10-14 days, and it started going away. Thank God because she'd
already lost one eye to an ulcer before I adopted her. I assume, but can't
say, that both ulcers were most likely caused by the herpes virus.
Plus, lysine is an amino acid and does boost the immune system (or at the very
least maintains it) in the way it operates in the body. It helps to build
proteins, etc., as well as keep viruses from replicating. This is what I wrote
back in August regarding this issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies. One of them is L-lysine. All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins. A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+. If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth. It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies). It's a building block of our very
cells. And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume,
immune system boosting if the immune system is weak. Every health food company
that sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino
acid. Lysine deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I
think that it's possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus,
so maybe our furry friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because
of the virus. I don't think the studies have been done on this particular
issue. And if anyone knows of any, please post them. As I said before, I'm
not a doctor, vet, or scientist. But I can research, read, and use my common
sense to make logical inferences. I don't believe there are any studies to
show that link lysine to the immune system because, from what I understand,
it's common knowledge in the science/medical world. It would be like trying to
find studies linking blood to the
heart.
:)
Wendy
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
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From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:16:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended
by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes. It is also in
the Merck Veterinary Manual.
Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear.
If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again.
Gary
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was
aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the
study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that
it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not
the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
continuing outbreaks.
I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its
use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.
L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective
against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Your Inquiry on Beechnut.com/mh102079
Thank you for this!! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 11:46:11 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Your Inquiry on Beechnut.com/mh102079 FYI for all needing to assist feed their bbies. sorry, LIL bIT JUST JOINED ME. DORLIS From: mary...@beechnut.com Subject: Your Inquiry on Beechnut.com/mh102079 To: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:13:57 -0500 Dear Ms. Grote, Thank you for contacting Beech-Nut. You will be happy to learn that all Beech-Nut® Stage 1® meat poultry varieties are simply that variety of meat, or poultry, and a portion of the water it was cooked in (broth) necessary for the pureeing of the meat. The water listed in our ingredients is called broth because it has absorbed the natural juices of the meat during the cooking process. You will note only Beech-Nut meats do not state the meat variety and “gravy” as only Beech-Nut meats include no additional additives like cornstarch, salt, spices or onion powder. We always recommend reading the label list of ingredients before using any product. Beech-Nut meats are made from meat muscle, only. Beech-Nut does not use any undesirable meat parts such as tongue, heart, liver, stomach, or intestinal materials. In addition, our specifications state that the USDA inspection stamp must be on each container of meat that we purchase. The USDA stamp signifies that the cows were slaughtered from an approved USDA slaughterhouse. This assures you that the processing of the meat was done so under the continuous inspection by the USDA governed by APHIS (Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) the US Department of Agriculture. . Since 1931 Beech-Nut has been proud to produce our fine quality baby food. We are an all natural product with added vitamins and minerals. As an example: our Beech-Nut Stage 1 and Stage 2 Applesauce is, simply, Apples, water necessary for preparation, and ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). We always encourage our consumers to read the label of any food to know exactly what’s in the product they plan to use. Did you know that each time that you save and send in 48 UPC codes from our Beech-Nut labels along with a completed label program form, you can receive 4-$1.00 coupons in return. You may access those forms at the following link: http://www.beech-nut.com/Special%20Offers/label_saver_1.asp Thank you for your loyalty to Beech-Nut. Enjoy your day. Sincerely, Mary Anne Howe Beech-Nut Nutrition Consumer Services Received information: 1/6/2009 9:31:08 PM Your comments contained: CallerAddr:200 Quade Road CallerCity:Silex CallerState:MO CLast:grote CZip:63377 Email:dlg...@windstream.net First:dorlis Your comments: no baby, just a sick cat that needs extra nutrition. was suggested i assist feed with your 1st stage meats. Question: do you use onion or garlic as ingredient or flavoring in these foods? i ask because both are sure death for cats. thank you, dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora's under jaw lymp node swollen
Hey Amanda, Has your vet suggested steriod shots for the stomatitis, such as depomedrol or prednisolone. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 5:13:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tora's under jaw lymp node swollen Hi all, I was wondering what should I do, my cat has FeLV related stomatitis and again his lymp nodes on the right side is swollen, should he again take interefon? or just the antibiotics? I think his stomach/mouth irritation is from eating a pice of cake which he stole from the table last week! Please advise! hugs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Benny
April, Did the vet put him on a 3 week round of doxycycline for possilbe hemobartanella? Even if he has hemobart, it might not show up on a slide because of the nature of the parasites (sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't...weird). Hemobart will cause anemia (low blood count). At this point, it would not hurt to get him on the doxy, especially since most vets will close in the next few hours. Doxy has pulled many a cat out of dire straights. FeLV+'s are prone to getting hemobart. Please keep us posted and I wish Benny a quick recovery! :) Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils update
Hi guys, Well, I took Smookie in to the doc and the vet opened her mouth and said, Whoa! From Thursday to Friday, Smookie had developed tiny little bubbles on the inflamed area in the back of her mouth, and this morning when I gave her her antibiotic, I noticed the roof of her mouth is now red and irritated. Whatever she has, it's moving fast. There was no redness on Friday when I took her in, which is probably why the vet did not say Stomatitis. The vet said she wasn't exactly sure what it was without a biopsy (just a bunch of normal colored tissue in the back of her mouth), and she didn't want to do that right away until we tried some drugs first. She wanted to give her a steroid shot, but because I suspect Smookie has feline herpes because of her history of corneal ulcers, I wanted to try the antibiotics first since steriods tend to surpress the immune system further. Even though she did not have a fever, I figured something bacterial was going on because of the yucky drool she's been having at night (which I originally thought was coming out the other end, and had a fecal done about 3 weeks ago which showed nothing). Not sure that bypassing the steriod shot was such a good idea now since her mouth is getting red. I will probably take her back in tomorrow and get the shot for her. She pilled great the first two days, not so much this morning. She can be a little devil if she wants to be. I did some research and the good news is, if it is Stomatis and it can't be controlled with normal treatment, there is an 85% cure rate with extraction, so that's hopeful. Wish us luck that this goes away as fast as it's coming on. Any input/advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Wendy and Smookie Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 10:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils?? Hey Gloria, That's what I thought at first, but Smookie's gums are not at all red or swollen. I think Kerry may have hit it on the head because Smookie does have herpes (or I assume so, due to her severe corneal ulcers when I first adopted her) and that is one of the symptoms because the virus replicates in the tonsils. Who knew? Taking her to vet today at 2:15. Will let you guys know how it goes. Thank you :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 9:41:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils?? Hey Wendy - Sounds like Stomatitis. My Toby (b w male, older adult) has that in the back of his throat. Vet said give Depo shot periodically. We're also trying penicillin injections, and I'm trying Georges Aloe Vera orally. Last night I gave him some homeopathic arnica Gloria On Jan 1, 2009, at 12:58 PM, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I have an FeLV- kitty, Smookie, who I noticed when she was yawning that she had these huge things in the back of each side of her throat. They look like two giant cauliflowers or lettuce heads; one on each side. I also notice that it seems she has swollen lymph nodes on each side of her throat on the outside. Have any of you ever heard of a kitty with infected tonsils or tonsils having to be removed? Now that I think about it, she's had the lumps on her throat for a while, months, but I just thought when I petted her that was how her throat was. I didn't realize she had these growth-looking things on the inside of her throat! Any help is appreciated! Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils??????
Hey Gloria, That's what I thought at first, but Smookie's gums are not at all red or swollen. I think Kerry may have hit it on the head because Smookie does have herpes (or I assume so, due to her severe corneal ulcers when I first adopted her) and that is one of the symptoms because the virus replicates in the tonsils. Who knew? Taking her to vet today at 2:15. Will let you guys know how it goes. Thank you :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 9:41:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils?? Hey Wendy - Sounds like Stomatitis. My Toby (b w male, older adult) has that in the back of his throat. Vet said give Depo shot periodically. We're also trying penicillin injections, and I'm trying Georges Aloe Vera orally. Last night I gave him some homeopathic arnica Gloria On Jan 1, 2009, at 12:58 PM, wendy wrote: Hey guys, I have an FeLV- kitty, Smookie, who I noticed when she was yawning that she had these huge things in the back of each side of her throat. They look like two giant cauliflowers or lettuce heads; one on each side. I also notice that it seems she has swollen lymph nodes on each side of her throat on the outside. Have any of you ever heard of a kitty with infected tonsils or tonsils having to be removed? Now that I think about it, she's had the lumps on her throat for a while, months, but I just thought when I petted her that was how her throat was. I didn't realize she had these growth-looking things on the inside of her throat! Any help is appreciated! Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: Swollen tonsils??????
Hey guys, I have an FeLV- kitty, Smookie, who I noticed when she was yawning that she had these huge things in the back of each side of her throat. They look like two giant cauliflowers or lettuce heads; one on each side. I also notice that it seems she has swollen lymph nodes on each side of her throat on the outside. Have any of you ever heard of a kitty with infected tonsils or tonsils having to be removed? Now that I think about it, she's had the lumps on her throat for a while, months, but I just thought when I petted her that was how her throat was. I didn't realize she had these growth-looking things on the inside of her throat! Any help is appreciated! Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Amanda, I am so sorry to hear about your beloved kitty. Please don't blame yourself. It sounds like you loved him very much and did ALL you could for him, out of love. And yes, 7 years is a long time! A lot of FeLV+'s don't even live past 2-3 years. Mine lived 4.5 and I felt lucky to have had him that long. He developed anemia. The best you can do is feed a good diet, supplement with immune boosting things like l-lysine, etc., and keep kitty stress free. That's all we can do really. And love them to pieces. Other than that, it's up to the good Lord how long we are blessed with their presence, as any of our loved ones are. Please ask any specific questions you may have and the archives are a great place to look for really good info. Take care and I hope you are comforted by all the good memories you have of Silver Chan. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:18:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long) Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he
Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?)
Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about B.B.'s passing. Thank you for loving him. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:16:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?) One of my FELV kitties, B.B., died in the early morning of Dec 2, 2008, and I'd love to have him added to the Bridge list. He was a double positive (FELV+, FIV+), had been found at a local dump in the Little Rock vicinity, and taken in to our rescue. I've fostered him since October 2006, and he's been such a sweet, loving cat. But he developed a tail infection a while back, and we've been dealing with that ever since. He alway ate like a horse, till the last couple of days. He never could gain weight or pull out of the illness, he may have had other things going on, I'm not sure. B.B., who I think stands for Beautiful Boy, crossed over to the Bridge early yesterday morning, Tuesday December 2, 2008. He was a sweet boy. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyphoma treatment options
Amanda, I don't have any experience with Lymphoma, but there are members here who have. It's Thanksgiving in the U.S. today, so you may not get many replies today. In the meantime, you might search the archives on the website because there is a lot of information there. Good luck with Silver Chan. I hope you're able to help him. Keep us posted. :) Wendy Texas Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:34:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lyphoma treatment options My 6 year old FeLV cat ( Silver chan) has just been diagnosed with lyphoma in the chest, , he has fliud arround his lungs and is breathing faster, but that was the only symptom I saw, so I am quite shocked! I would like to know what treatments have helped you kitty`s live longer, they gave me two options; Chlorambucil and prednisone, or L- Asparaginase/vincristine/prednisone. I had a lyphoma kitty before, I think I saw her condition much later, she had lost alot of weight and had the chemo with vincristine , but she didn`t do well on it and got amenia and the lymphoma came back and she died within two months! So I am very scared, especially as my cat now seems well , but I know he needs help with the fluid in his chest, the vet drained one side today, but couldn`t get any from the other side out. your advice would be greatly appreciated! Amanda in Japan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone
Sue, I am so sorry to hear about sweet Buzz...my heart goes out to you. Have a blessed Thanksgiving, in spite of your heartache. My prayer is for peace and comfort for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:20:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS. I feel like a very large piece of me is missing. The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him. He was terrified, cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my brothers' house. He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an urban area where my brother used to live. When my sister in law, Lee, rescued him he was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death. She and my brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still terrified of people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew whenever anyone got near him. That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed him to me. I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him. Within about 20 minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to me and touched noses. After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him. When I brought him home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get used to, and to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him to the vet a few days later his feline leukemia test came back positive. Buzz was going to live in the study for quite a while so I filled it with cat toys and a cat tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I could. Every evening I would spend hours with him. I was working on a computer project and he kept me company with that. That is how it was from January of '07 to April. At that point it was clear that keeping him separate was not working. We vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and released Buzzy into the rest of the house. He loved his new freedom and became every ones quiet little shadow. He loved to watch what was going on. His favorite place was a window bench that looks out on the bird feeder. At night he either slept on a ledge right behind my head or cuddled up next to me, purring. When July came I noticed that he seemed to have no energy and was not eating. When we took him to the vet the diagnosis was anemia. With heavy doses of prednesolone his health and red blood count began to come back. I was so happy watching my sweet boy gaining back his energy and appetite. While he was recuperating I would take him out to sit on the deck on my lap. He loved sniffing the outdoor smells and feeling the warm sunshine on his fur. He would sit and purr out there for as long as I could sit and hold him. In the evenings Buzzy loved to chase DaBird and the laser pointer. His blood was being tested every couple of weeks and soon it was in the normal range. We began to back off on the prednesolone. For several weeks everything was going well until the week that his blood count started going the wrong direction. I prayed that it was just the one time but unfortunately not. That horrible disease was in his bone marrow and the medication was no longer helping. For the last several weeks I watched as he became more and more lethargic. We offered him every special treat we could think of to keep him eating and he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end. He would sit all day on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to the litter box. He always watched every move I made as I moved around the kitchen. Today when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of watching, I knew it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took him to the vet I told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me at the bridge. Then he went to sleep in my arms. I will miss him so very much, but now he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] High Fever
I have read that rubbing alcohol on the pads of the feet can bring down fevers, but I do not know if this is legitimate, but may be worth looking into to help with the fever. Good luck with your furbaby. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Christy Buchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:52:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] High Fever My cat Gray Kitty, was diagnosed with FeLV on his first birthday, 9/6/08. He and his two brothers were born in our home to a stray we took into our home. She had tested negative for the virus. His two brothers have also continue to test negative for the virus. His two brothers are also type A blood and he is the only one that is type B. He has had 1 transfusion, due to his anemic condition. Since then, the virus has gone to his bone marrow. He receives weekly injections of the Imulan LTCI and is on holistic medication as well. Since diagnosed, he continues to run a fever between 103 and 105. Antibiotics do not seem to relieve this either. We know each day is precious that we have with him. Does anyone else battle with the high fevers too? _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Happy Thanksgiving to All
I hope all of you and your furbabies have a blessed Thanksgiving! :) Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee
Hey Sherry, Just wanted to say that I am thinking about you and your Maizee... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:21:45 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee Three years ago today my Maizee Grace left this world. :( Sometimes it seems like yesterday that my beautiful baby girl was still here with me. She is the reason that I volunteer at Sids(felv,fiv cat sanctuary).I have had the honor to love MANY wonderful babies in the last 3 years.Each and every one of them have a special place in my heart. Thank you Maizee Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?
Lisa, I'm sorry about the positive test. Thank you for trying to help out this little guy, and more so, for loving him. The chances your other (adult?) cats will contract the virus, especially with FeLV vaccinations, is very low. I believe the number on the effectiveness of the vaccine is 70%, and probably much higher with adult cats. In addition, many of us here have mixed cats successfully, including me. I had 4 adult cats, one of which who was FeLV+, and the other 3 never contracted the virus, even though their FeLV vaccines had all run out long before I knew that the one was positive. Many of us here believe that it's very rare for a healthy adult cat to contract FeLV in any other way than blood exchange. Mine all shared food, water, and litter boxes for 4 years before Cricket died. One of mine was even elderly, about 16 years old, and hyperthyroid/kidney failure, so she wasn't exactly the picture of health. You CAN do this, and even though it may be tough, you won't regret loving and caring for this little guy, nor choosing NOT to euthanize him solely based on a positive test. I hope you are able to get his diarrhea under control soon. God bless~ Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:47:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] So now what? My kitten tested positive on his IFA test. My vet told me I should keep him isolated, or euthanize him. I couldn't do the latter, and isolating him ... well, I think that would just stress everyone out even more. So after calling a good friend while sitting outside of the vet's office last night, in tears, he's still with me, with my other cats, and I'm treating him for his diarrhea. My other cats have been vaccinated - my girl had her booster last month, and my other boy is going in on Thursday for his booster. He's the one I'm concerned about. He's the absolute LOVE of my life. But he's the picture of health, and I intend to keep it that way. Please just tell me that I can do this ... that I'm doing the right thing. Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....
Christine, Your story is so inspiring! And heartbreaking too... :( It brought back that old familiar lump in my throat I get when I think about my own losses. Thank you for being the loving person you are. Little Romeo was so lucky to have you! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:37:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to lymphoma. I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc. And the resounding answer is YES YES YES. My Romeo was a throw away stray that I first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony near me. He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running across the field when I’d whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn’t miss him. He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury everybody’s food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving. I knew someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he’d scamper away, just out of reach, cowering. Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we’ve had in a long time. One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major snowstorm. Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him in. I even had an adoptive home ready—but he turned out to be positive and they couldn’t handle it. Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks, watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren’t that bad. Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he thought I was asleep. Little baby steps—first the food dish got moved next to his crate. Then the litter box in the bathroom. And slowly, he’d come out during the day. I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my monitor to spot him on my bed. You could see it in his face—this is niiice and from that point on, he was totally comfortable being in and around we humans. Funny thing is that he never really wanted to get out—he rarely sat at the window—the couch and the bed were always much more comfortable for him! Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you’d ever want to meet. Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him in any way---he was just too scared. But he’d jump up on me, lie on my chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm and loved. My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take much of a liking to him—all jealousy, I’m sure. But Romeo persevered and the two of them had come to terms with each other... His final illness took him quickly. He’d never been real sick before—had some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it. Going to the vet was a major trauma for him so I’d always worked with my wonderful vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum. But today was one of those days that I knew he had to get to the vet asap. He’d been feeling poorly during the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard—like he couldn’t catch his breath. He’d been on antibiotics for what I thought was another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot more. My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they confirmed the lymphoma. He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood would only give him a short extension of his life. So, I made that decision we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was time. I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him. And do I regret taking him in—ABSOLUTELY NOT. He gave me so many wonderful memories and he will always be in my heart. And did he regret coming inside—ABSOLUTELY NOT—he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone. We can’t save them forever—but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so very much about life from these little guys. Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Hi Sue, I am sorry to hear that Buzz has to go back on the Prednisolone. I wish I could help you out with the new drug, but this is the first time I've ever heard about it. Please keep us posted on his progress. I hope his rbc goes up soon! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:22:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today
My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer and was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly. Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
Robin, Prayers going out for your peace and comfort. I'm sorry about little Kiwi. We're here for you if you need to vent/talk. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 9:04:21 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi Kiwi is with God now. I'm to upset to say anything else right now. Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad
Robin, My heart goes out to little Kiwi, and to your family as well. It's never easy. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:57:46 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - Sad I have not posted for a while about kiwi. I think the last one I told you that my son was going to put him on a Bandfield Plan. He never did. Before that I tried to find a rescue who would take him, but there wasn't any openings. I have no funds to get him to vet. Sad to say, kiwi is really sick. He is unable to keep food down. He usually likes his dry food, but he won't eat. I gave him just a little wet food, and he through it all up. He does drink a little water. I just gave him a teaspoon of tuna (not cat food), it will take 5 to 10 minutes to see if he can keep it down. He used his kitty litter in the last day or so. Before all this, he ate a lot of his favorite cat food. He didn't throw it up, but he had diarrhea and he was bony. He was always full of energy. I can't let him keep going on this way, so I plan to take him to a shelter and explain the situation to them and ask them humanly put him to sleep. I don't want to do this, but I don't want him to suffer anymore. To you who have not read my earlier postings, I did not adopt kiwi, my son found him when he was about 2 1/2 weeks old near his did sibling. He bought him home and we did our usual thing and gave him kitten formula and kitten food. He thrived. My daughter who has another cat took her's to a regular vet visit, but de sided to take kiwi also. (this one time) Sadly, Kiwi came out positive for feline leukemia. We checked him about when he was about 7 or 8 months old, and again he came back positive. We new that we would not be able to afford to pay a vet so we tried to find a rescue. None of them were able to take a Feline leukemia positive kitten/cat. We live in Fairfax County Virginia, which is a large county, but no one could take him. So we did the best we could for him, but it wasn't enough. I don't blame anyone. It's just how it is. It's just so hard when your hands are tied. Well, I better go for now. I will let you know what happened. Bye, Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - sad
Robin, Sharyl gave you great info. The babyfood worked wonders with one of my kitties who had issues with her stomach so bad she stopped eating. I thought we were going to lose her, but more than twice she came through with the help of the baby food, pepcid ac, and chicken broth and boiled chicken. Make sure she is getting fluids. Dehydration makes kitties feel horrible. Syringing several drops or more every hour or so may help. Keep us posted, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:17:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - sad Tried to give Kiwi a little canned pumpkin. He tried to ignore it, but I put a tiny bit in his mouth and he became a little interested. He ate a tiny bit more on his own then he stopped. I am going to wait 30 minutes to make sure he can keep it down. I am not sure what to look for. I guess maybe for his appetite to return eventually. I just wish I could afford to take him to a vet to see exactly what is going on with him. Anyway, I'll let you know how things are coming along soon. Thanks! Bye, Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info
Hi Jackie, My name is Wendy and I have been a member here for about 3 years. I joined after my 4 year old cat was diagnosed with FeLV and got sick. My other three (all 4 indoor) had already been exposed as they'd lived together since Cricket was a kitten. All 3 had been previously vaccinated for FeLV, but the vaccinations were not current when Cricket came into the picture. Cricket died from anemia shortly after I joined, which I think that we could have reversed had I known what I know now about the disease. None of my others ever contracted FeLV. I do believe that it's difficult for adult cats, even elderly cats (we lost our 18.5 year old in Dec. to kidney issues and she'd been around Cricket all that time), to contract it from general contact or sharing food/water/litter boxes. I think kittens are much more susceptible. I do believe in mixing pos with vaccinations/neg adults if needed, but that is only my opinion based on what I've learned here and personal experience, not based on scientific evidence. The veterinary world is much more cautious because not enough is known about the virus. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:33:55 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] worried Mom seeking info Hi, my name is Jackie and I am seeking advice. A year ago I started trapping and altering strays. The first male I caught settled down quite a bit. I started letting him in now and then and eventually I started keeping him in. I have 4 other cats (all strictly indoor). I felt for this guy, he was a rough and tumble wild guy, but he was so sweet after he was fixed. He recently tested positive for leukemia and I have never had to deal with this kind of disease before. I talked to the doctor some and she recommended we retest him in 6 weeks, but I'm worried I'm endangering my other cats by having him inside. They are vaccinated, but he is so dominating. I used to let him out on occasion to let off a little steam. Now I can't do that and he got into a scuffle with one of my other cats this weekend. I don't want to euthanize him, but I don't know what else to do. I would appreciate your opinions on my situation. Thanks, Jackie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] To Joey re. Help with Anemia questions...
Hi Joey, I know this is a late reply, but just reading your email. I wanted to point out that even though you may not allow your cats outside, that does not preclude that a flea (or more) did not get tracked in on your shoes/pants or someone else's. That can and does happen. How is Oscar doing? What did the vet end up saying? Thanks, wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Joey Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:13:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Help with Anemia questions... Hey, I appreciate all the answers I've gotten thus far--I'm Oscar's mommy--the cat who has feline leukemia and severe anemia. Since I was still reacting to the news (i.e. crying) when the vet was explaining everything to me over the phone last week, I have decided to meet him for a consultation tomorrow to get some answers. I want to be able to ask him everything, so I was wondering if you all could help me with some questions to ask him. What I'm pretty much wondering is if there is anything to do to help him live longer (but I probably need specifics) and I need to ask him if there is a recommended food that Oscar should be eating due to his Anemia. Does anyone know of any supplements that I should ask the vet about? Vitamins, etc. Does anyone know of some specific foods that I should ask about? Has anyone tried anything before with an Anemic cat that helped them pull out of it? Oscar does not have fleas, and none of the other cats in our household do either. They are all strictly indoor cats, so I appreciate the warning to stay aware of fleas, but that isn't the cause of his anemia. I will certainly keep an eye out for them, and I will also be careful how I treat them if fleas do pop up. I would really like to pick the vet's brain, but I would like to do it with a little more information in mine so I can ask him educated questions. Thanks in advance for all of your help :) Joey and Oscar ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: Proper way to bleach drinking fountains?
Hey guys, I know several of you volunteer in shelters or run rescues, and I wanted to ask your advice on the proper way to bleach the automatic drinking fountains for cats. I am so afraid I'm going to leave bleach residue or damage the parts. Do you leave the motor running and let the bleach run through the fountain, and then rinse it out? Or do you take it apart and bleach only the plastic parts? Do you rinse with hot water? How do you make sure you get all the bleach out? Thank you for any advice you may have! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight
Oh Kim, My heart goes out to you... You sound so sad. I feel in my heart after reading your post that you did the right thing for Cole. How blessed you were to have one another. Prayers going out for your heart to heal and for peace and comfort for you in the meantime. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kim Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:59:52 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost his fight. The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two times a week and we found out today that the shots have not improved his anemia. He in fact got worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9% from 11% 2 weeks ago. He has also lost an addition 1lb in 3 days because he would not eat. It was the hardest thing ever to have to make the call in putting him to sleep or not, but he has been so lethargic and down the last couple days, I had no choice. He was not in good enough shape to even attempt any other treatment at this point. I wish I would have caught this earlier and maybe treatment would have been better. He had been living with Feline Leukemia since birth and he lived to be almost 7, so at least I was blessed with that time with him. Right now the hardest thing is to come home and not have him waiting at the door for me. I am praying that I made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on putting him to sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was prolonging his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a special urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that having Cole for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he was my rock and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn to be there for him. Thank you all for your support and words of advice, it helped me make it through the 2 toughest weeks of my life. I love you Cole. Kim ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 WSAVA Congress Paper on Retroviral Diseases
Awesome! Thanks Sharyl for sharing! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:37:55 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] 2008 WSAVA Congress Paper on Retroviral Diseases The 2008 WSAVA has posted their papers on line. Here is the link to the one on managing FIV/FeLV. You will have to cut and paste the link http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2008PID=23983Category=3868O=Generic Sharyl --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi ~ vet input re Revolution To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 4:47 PM My primary concern is heartworms. I use strongid or panacur (both otc) for regular worms, and tapeworm tablets (now otc as welL) for tapeworms. I can say that I have never had any earmites since starting to use Revolution,w hich is at least 3 years ago. Since my cats don't go outside fleas are not a huge issue for me. I do have capstar as well. On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Revolution also claims to kill fleas. It is not the best for ear mites since they have a 3 week cycle and if you do repeat the Revolution, it's repeated at 4 weeks. Here is an exchange I had with a vet regarding Revolution: -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view
Hi Gary and all,
I want to explain why I believe lysine to be an immune system booster so maybe
we can stop going back and forth on the issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies. One of them is L-lysine. All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins. A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+. If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth. It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies). It's a building block of our very cells.
And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, immune
system boosting if the immune system is weak. Every health food company that
sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino acid. Lysine
deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I think that it's
possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, so maybe our furry
friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because of the virus. I
don't think the studies have been done on this particular issue. And if anyone
knows of any, please post them. As I said before, I'm not a doctor, vet, or
scientist. But I can research, read, and use my common sense to make logical
inferences. I don't believe there are any studies to show that link lysine to
the immune system because, from what I understand, it's common knowledge in the
science/medical world. It would be like trying to find studies linking blood
to the heart.
If someone here is a biomedical student, doctor, expert researcher, etc., and
you do not agree with what I've written above, please explain to me why this is
not true. I absolutely welcome respectful discourse on this matter.
And I want to say that regardless of whether I am wrong on this, pure lysine
cannot be overdosed (because like Vitamin C, it's water-soluble), and is all
natural, so is not bad for cats. All it can do is help.
Thanks!
:)
Wendy
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
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- Original Message
From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:52:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
I have recently heard that l-lysine is only effective against the herpes
virus because it reduces the amount of l-arginine that the herpes virus
needs in order to replicate.
Supposedly, there is no evidence that l-lysine is a general immune booster.
I know that many people give it as a supplement and it is well tolerated by
cats so there is no harm in giving it. If anyone knows of a study that
shows l-lysine is a general immune booster, please give me the link, I would
be very interested in reading about it.
Thanks,
Gary
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From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I
feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement.
It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and is
easy to mix into wet food.
:)
Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
Laura, I am so sorry to hear about your precious Duncan. Prayers going out for your peace and comfort. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:32:24 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy?
Wow...I am so touched by everyone's sensitivity and directness and willingness to share their personal experiences with heartbreak from cancer in their furbabies. You guys are amazing, really... Adrienne, I hope you are able to come to a decision you feel is right for Emma. That seems to be the hardest part sometimes, like you said, knowing the best thing to do. I did want to say that I keep hearing here and there over the past few years about treating cancer holistically with intraveneous Vitamin C in humans, and I know that a lot of people give Vitamin C to their FeLV+ cats for mainenance. I don't know if you would even consider this as an option, but I do think it might be a good thing to check in to, if it's even offered for cats. Does anyone know anything about this? I don't have anything to offer regarding the chemo, having no experience. What I know of is only what I've read here. Please keep us posted on little Emma, and I'm sorry you guys are having to go through this. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Adrienne Statfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:39:44 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy? Hello. My beloved Emma is 5 ½ years old. Two years ago she was diagnosed as being FeLV+. I don’t know how this happened. I raised Emma and her sisters from the time they were about two days old. Her sisters are negative, as are my other cats, despite the fact that they have all lived together as indoor only cats, and have groomed each other, and shared bowls, litter boxes, and dishes. Emma tested negative for FeLV as a kitten. She has never been outside except in a carrier. Yesterday, I got the news that Emma has Lymphoma. I’ve started her on Prednisone, and the doctor is recommending chemotherapy. The doctor estimated an 8 to 10 month survival rate for cats with Lymphoma who go through chemotherapy, but couldn’t give me any idea of the prognosis for a cat who has FeLV. Any opinion about chemotherapy for an FeLV+ cat with Lymphoma? I’m heartbroken and I don’t want to do anything to prolong my beautiful girl’s suffering. Thank you. Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
Welcome to the group. Chicken breast, as well as chicken broth, worked great with my kitty Julie, who had some eating issues. Didn't help with diarrhea though. Canned pumpkin can be good for that (without spices). I always promote pure L-lysine as a supplement; you can get it at a health food store. You might have to mix it in his water if he won't eat wet food. Or in chicken broth. It's tasteless. It's good for boosting the immune system. A stress free environment and good diet are the two most important things you can do for Kiwi. The lysine may also help with the stuff in his eyes, because a lot of times that's associated with conjunctivitis/feline herpes (can't sure it but it's not anything serious; it's kind of like cold sores for humans). Lysine is good for herpes because it acts as an anti-viral. Not sure how I feel about regular blood testing for FeLV+ kitties. I did have a kitty die from anemia, so it may surprise some that I have this view, but I think the stress of the vet visit, especially many vet visits, might off-set the benefit of having regular blood tests. But that is just my opinion, and there are others here who may feel differently. Good luck with Kiwi and keep us posted! :) Wendy (Texas) Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:44:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] To Kim and Cole/Anemia/Epogen
Hi Kim, I just now read about Cole's situation and we had a similar situation here last month, except the kitty had hemobartanella (a blood parasite very common to FeLV+ kitties and causes anemia) in it's blood. Hemobartanella is very difficult to diagnose because one minute it will show up on a slide under the microscope, the next it's gone. So often positive kitties are diagnosed negative. It is standard procedure to put kitties with anemia on a 3 week round of doxycycline, even without a positive test for hemobart. This is what turned this other kitty around last month. I would caution you about starting with Epogen right away, only because sometimes cats' immune system begins to resist it and it can worsen the anemia in this case. Epogen also takes 2-3 weeks to kick in, so if you do use it, your kitty may need a blood transfusion in the meantime to give the Epogen time to work. Did the vet say what time of anemia it is? That's very important. Usualy regenerative anemia is associated with hemobartanella. Non-regenerative is more associated with bone marrow issues. But neither one of those is set in stone because I think we've seen a few cases that were the opposite here. Call you vet and find out and let us know. And you might repost with a subject line of 'Epogen?' or something similar so that those who have used it can chime in with their expertise. I've never had to use it. I did lose a kitty to anemia though before I knew all of these things. It was hard and anemia is very serious. 11% is low, and you were right to take Cole in to the vet. Good for you. I also agree that Cole should be assist-fed if he is not eating. That is very important because cats can quickly develop feline hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease) and it makes them very sick. So eating is essential! B12 shots can help stimulate appetite, and steroids shots can too, as well as make kitty feel better. Prednisolone is one of them. Winstrol is another steroid that is supposed to help stimulate red blood cell production. Please keep us posted and if you have any other questions, please ask. We're here to help! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kim Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:52:55 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I took Cole to the vet this afternoon and I think it confirmed my worries. He has lost almost 2 lbs since June 24th. The vet did a complete blood count to see what his status is and his anemia is worsening at a very fast rate and if it does not increase his body will give out soon. His hemoglobin level was at a critical level of 11% this afternoon, where as a month and a half ago it was 20% and in May it was 31%. She said by the look of his blood work, his bone marrow has been greatly affected by the leukemia and his body is not making very many red blood cells anymore, if any. There was some concern that he might be developing a mass of some kind in his abdomen, but thankfully at this time nothing showed up on the xray. We are going to try to give him a little longer to get better by giving him Epogen shots which should increase his red blood cell production. At this time though it is unclear if his bonemarrow is to damaged to even make more red blood cells, but we will see. At this time he is still very weak and does not move around much, but he still purrs non stop and its as lovable as ever...which makes it that much harder to think of the end. I know that the shots will only improve the length of time he lives and will never cure him, but I am hoping it at least gives him enough energy to have a happy life. The vet said that if he lives through this week, then hopefully he can show a little bit of improvement. Thank you all for you support and words of advice. I am still terrified of knowing that I will lose my best friend sometime in the near future, but at least I get to spend time with him now. Here is a picture of my angel. Please pray for him. All of your kitties are in my thoughts and prayers and I am glad to know there are other people with hearts filled with enough love to take care of these wonderful kitties. Kim ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet visit update
Jennifer, Congratulations on the negative FeLV test results! The supplement your vet recommended is lysine. You can find it fairly inexpensive at health food stores and online, if not elsewhere. Sometimes lysine can have additives that can cause Heinz body anemia in cats, so make sure you buy it in pure form. Keep us posted on your pregnant kitty and I'm so glad for her and her kittens that she is negative! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:34:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet visit update Morrison and Isobel are both FeLV NEGATIVE! I was so happy when I found out! Those were the longest 10 minutes of my life (the time it takes for the test results). They both got their FeLV vaccine. At first they weren't going to give Isobel one because she's pregnant (the vet confirmed) but then they found their FeLV vaccine for pregnant kitties. I spoke with my vet about a spay-abort and he said basically it was my choice, but that is something he does (for a much bigger price), but he said I should also consider no-kill shelters. There's a shelter that brings cats who're up for adoption to my vet's office and they're on display in the lobby. He told me to take the kittens there after they've been weened and seen by him and most likely they'd be adopted out sooner rather than later, and possibly even displayed in his office, and their kittens always go fast. There's an adoption application and a donation fee, so as to make sure they're being adopted into good homes who really want them. I got the feeling from my vet that he's not too fond of doing spay-abortions. He said if I do choose to do that, I need to do it within the next two weeks tops because he guesstimated that she's going to give birth within four weeks, give or take. As for Ash, he got his rabies vaccination and he's all set to get neutered on the 28th. I discussed supplements for him and he recommended Lisine (spelling). He said I can get it at most health food stores, or maybe even Walmart. 250 mgs a day. I am going to look into other supplements as well. I have names of some. With the supplements and with periodic wellness visits, Ash should be fine for a while (I hope). Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?
I use Innova Evo from Natura, out of California. I order through Petfooddirect.com when they have their 22% off deal about once a month. It's all protein. My cats love it. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Giselle de Grandis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 6:01:29 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods? Hi everyone, You haven't heard from me in a while because everything with Pixie, my 3 y/o positive, is going well at the moment. Except I'm running low on dry food... I'm at the bottom of my huge bag of Nutro Choice Complete Care Adult Indoor dry food so I called my local pet store to order more and learned it's very hard to get in Europe right now (I live in the Netherlands, BTW). I got three different reasons for the shortage from three different pet stores: 1. Dutch importers aren't bringing in Nutro from California anymore, 2. A Nutro factory in Hungary burned down, 3. EU competition laws have banned Nutro. The last vendor (an online retailer in Austria) promised he could get me the Nutro Choice if I'm willing to wait several weeks. So I'm wondering what to do. Should I order more ASAP and wait for it to arrive? Or should I do some research and find a better alternative? I'm not very knowledgeable about cat nutrition, especially for special-needs kitties. But Pixie likes the taste of this Nutro Choice dry food and I like to imagine that the ingredients are above average. But are these ingredients ACTUALLY good for her? (Please note the beet pulp and vegetable fibers, etc.): Ingredients: chicken meal, ground rice, corn gluten meal, rice flour, poultry fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), sunflower oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), flaxseed meal, tomato pomace, brewers dried yeast, natural flavors, dried beet pulp, mixed vegetable fiber (carrots, celery, beets, parsley, lettuce, watercress and spinach), potassium chloride, menhaden fish oil, oat fiber, soy protein concentrate, cranberry powder, choline chloride, taurine, dl-methionine, vitamin E supplement, dried egg product, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulphate, ascorbic acid (source of vitamin C), L-carnitine, inositol, dried bacillus licheniformis fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, lutein, dried chicory root, yucca schidigera extract, niacin, copper sulphate, manganous oxide, vitamin A supplement, garlic flavor, biotin, riboflavin supplement (source of vitamin B-2), beta-carotene, calcium iodate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (source of vitamin B-6), vitamin B-12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate (source of vitamin B-1), lycopene, vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), folic acid, sodium selenite. The Nutro Choice packaging advertises the following benefits: * Reduces caloric intake, prevents weight gain * Well-balanced protein and fat help keep your cat fit * Linoleic Acid, zinc, and important vitamins improve skin and coat health * Less shedding, fewer hairballs * Natural ingredients with vitamins minerals * Easy to digest for sensitive stomachs * Distinctly improves skin coat * Reduces stool volume and odor * Less Magnesium So I'm at this juncture -- should I make every effort to get more of this Nutro Choice Complete Care dry food since Pixie likes it and seems to do well on it (despite some belching)? Or should I try to find something better and hopefully more easily available in Europe? Your suggestions are most welcome! I'd be nervous, however, to start Pixie on a raw food diet since I know nothing about this and I'd have to prepare the food myself (time-consuming and gross for a vegetarian?) Many thanks in advance for your help :) Giselle Pixie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement. It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and is easy to mix into wet food. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:31:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Here Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.
Sue, I am SO happy to hear this! That is absolutely wonderful! :):):):) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 10:41:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
I believe that L-lysine (pure) is very important in boosting the immune system. It's an anti-viral and a natural amino acid. It cannot be overdosed as it's water soluble. Some people love Vitamin C, but I don't have any personal experience using that with my cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary gives intra-muscular shots (versus IV, as some people do) to their FeLV+'s of Immuno-Regulin once a week I believe (although it might just be monthly or bi-monthly). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:07:20 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [Felvtalk] The difference in vets
Sue, I am so happy that this vet is much more open to helping Buzz and knowlegeable! That is so, so valuable, not only to help Buzz, but to keep your hope alive as well. You are so right about the difference in vets. Hugs going out to little Buzz. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:59:30 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] The difference in vets Hello everyone - Last Friday when Buzz sick I had to settle for one of the vets who works in the practice to check him because the husband and wife team I normaly go to were on vacation. She pretty much said Buzz was anemic and there was no hope for him. She gave him a cortizone shot and sent him home saying to give a call when it was time to euthanize. Thanks to the advise of some of the people on this list I called back and demanded Dolycycline. Yesterday Dr. Tom was back. I had Buzzy re-tested in the morning (his level had gone from 8 to 11) and had a conference with Dr. Tom at 5:00 yesterday. He spent an hour talking with me about all the possible options and explaining how each one worked and what the benefits and drawbacks were of each plan. He was very happy that Buzz was on Doxycycline. When I left the office he had promised to look into some of the options and get back to me. Two hours later I received a call from him. He had spent all that time researching some of the options we had talked about, including prednisone, and Epogen, B vitamins and Niacinamide. Now Buzz is still on the Doxycycline and has started with prednisone. Dr. Tom is going to order the Epogen and find out about the availability of Niacinamide. It is so great to have such a wonderful person and doctor available who cares so much and takes the time to explain things. The only thing I can't figure out is why he keeps that other vet in his practice. This morning Buzz was still pretty tired but he ate a lot of the tuna I mixed up for him with the multi-vitamin in it. My mother-in-law lives with us and she will continue to offer him food every couple of hours until I get home from work to spoil him. Every evening we have been going out on the deck where I cuddle him and give him Reiki treatments. Even if things don't work out, now I know that at least he is getting a fighting chance. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Hey Tonya, Glad you guys are getting some type of routine down. It's funny how hard that can be sometimes, especially with all that you also have going on personally. Keep us posted on Shaft. I hope when he goes for his testing his numbers are in the normal range, and not still hyperT or hypoT. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:47:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya) Thanks Wendy, I 'think' we are getting a medication routine going. It's hard to tell if he's eating because he won't eat in front of me. But he feels like he's gaining weight. He's still interested in treats. We're retesting in a couple of weeks, and unless things look good I'm going to go to the ear gel. Shaft is 18 years old, so I don't think he's a good candidate for the surgery. :( tonya wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
Yes, non-regenerative is the bad kind of anemia. Regenerative means that his red blood cells still have the capability to regenerate, which is what he needs to survive. I would put my money on the doxy. So happy to hear that he's got his meds and has the better of the two types of anemia. Please keep us posted on sweet Buzz! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:21:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update Hello everyone - Today I got doxycycline from the vet. It came in 50mg capsules which I have to open up and divide in two. I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy in a syringe. Half a capsule every 12 hours. Tomorrow he goes for some kind of protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion. When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non-regenerative kind. Doesn't that mean there is more hope? He is still eating fairly well. I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with tuna. I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that way. In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for a while. He loves smelling the fresh air. I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food. Chicken and gravy was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed this stuff down!!! It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken broth. Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions. I think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this. Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped eating when her stomach acted up. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it. Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
P.S. Julie also loved deli meat!!! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:49:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food. Chicken and gravy was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed this stuff down!!! It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken broth. Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions. I think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this. Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped eating when her stomach acted up. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it. Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design
I second that!!! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:49:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design James and Belinda: you rock! :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: James G Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:12:54 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design Hey all, I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website (with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: http://www.felineleukemia.org I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: list to Helene
Hi Helene! I am thinking you are the same Helene from the HyperT group? If so, hello and welcome! This is Wendy (Julie's mom) :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Helene R. Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:09:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] list I am making sure that I am on the list...although I don't correspond very much. Helene Hand ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Terrie Welcome to new members and saying Hello
Hey Terrie, Hope this email finds you well and your mother doing well also. I'm sorry to hear about her. This has been a tough year for a lot of us. I have done a horrible job of keeping up with the list due to all that's gone on in my life in the last year, and frankly, I'm just glad that I'm fixing to start a new one (years go August to July for us Edumacators...lol). I have missed seeing you here, as well as some of the other long-time members. Keep us posted on your mom, and prayers going out for her as well as you and your family. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:56:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello Hi all, Sorry I haven't posted much these days. I've been busy as hell in rescue. Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork! The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to live. She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her. She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. We traveled the world as youngsters as well. I'm 50 years old. I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again. For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and knowledge from. They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties. Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of what their Vets have said. I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. They died of old age or other illnesses. I do get their vaccinations when needed. There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group. Anyway enjoy your kitties. Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old. Good food and love is the key factor here. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE http://tazzys.org/ http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ Terrie Mohr-Forker Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest
Hi Julie, Good luck with the retest. I am not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but the kittens should be retested I think after a certain age, because they can carry their mother's FeLV antibodies for a certain time and test positive even though they may actually test negative at a later date. I am thinking four months, but not sure on that. Someone here will know that specifically. I swear by lysine for humans and animals (is there a difference? lol); it's an anti-viral. Make sure you buy pure lysine. I have also heard great things about Vitamin C, but have never used it with my cats. Let us know how it goes. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Julie Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:31:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest Hi, I posted the other day about my 4 13 week old foster kittens who tested positive for FeLV. While we wait out re-testing them, is there anything that can be done in hopes of boosting their immune system and fighting off the virus? I am using Pet Tinic liquid vitamins twice a day and lactoferrin/colostrum supplement in their wet food twice a day..anything else we should be doing? Please Don't Breed or Buy While Homeless Pets Die! http://www.anotherchancepetrescue.org/ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Hi Lynne, There is a reason you're seeing this little fellow, and I'm sure it's to help. But give yourself a little time to breath and make the decision on how to handle the situation, especially considering what you went through with BooBoo. It doesn't sound like you need to make the decision right away. Give it a little time and it will come to you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:20:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who died after owning him for only a month. It was without a doubt the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life.. Not long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill. She has feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now. Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting there? BooBoo's son. I don't know if he is Felv positive or not. Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely fleas. I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again. If I knew he was not positive, I would take him inside right now and those despicable people would never see him again. Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around. The owners were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come and pick him up. I just don't know what to do. I could never subject Snowball to any harm, not after what she went through prior to living with us but I don't want to see this little guy suffer either. If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps a rescue would take him. I simply could not afford the emotional and financial devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die. I'm totally confused right now. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Hi Sharon, When my grandmother was feeding a feral colony in NC (I live in TX), I called Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah, a group I donate to, and they called one of their sister groups in NC. The rescue came out, trapped all of them, spayed/neutered, and then released them back to my grandmother. It was wonderful to see. That was about five years ago. My grandma died a year ago in July '07, and I trapped the only remaining feral, named her Ensie (for NC), and brought her back to TX. She let me pet her the night we arrived home (after 5 years of not letting me touch her) and she's been wonderful ever since. I hope you are able to find a good rescue group that will help you out. You might also consider seeing if you're local vet will help you out in case the rescues don't come through. I'm sorry to hear about your sweet Trixster. That must have been very hard. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharon Harden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:18:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi All, I am new to Felv and just lost my Trixter to this awful Disease. I want to thank all of you for the information I have been reading from you all. I have many ferals around my house because of the 3 fields that surround me. I have talked to the farmer but he is not interested in trying to help me help his cats. I have had to close up my cat door to protect my other 3. I dont know anything about rounding them up and would hate to catch them just to be put to death. Any suggestions. Regards to all, Sharon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Gentle reminder about netiquette
Thank you James for moderating this list. We appreciate all you do! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: James G Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:10:49 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Gentle reminder about netiquette Hello everyone, I apologize in advance for making this message longer than I'd first thought... Now that our list appears to be back up and running properly, I think it's time to send out a gentle reminder about netiquette and what this list's mission is. First, remember that this list is for discussions of feline leukemia, related treatments and support for those who are dealing with this dreaded disease. We do, however, allow a bit of off-topic discussion because of the close-knit nature of this group of wonderful people. If you do plan to post something that is off-topic (but, hopefully, somehow related to FeLV and/or list members), remember to put 'OT' (without the quotes) at the beginning of the subject line. Next, remember to properly edit your emails to this list. Lately, folks have been posting messages that contain the complete text of the entire thread to which they are responding. This is causing problems with both the digest mode and email size limits for this list. So, please edit your messages to contain only the relevant text of previous emails. If you need assistance with this, please contact me privately, and I'll try to explain it further. Also, attachments are NOT allowed. That means, do not attach pictures, pdf files, Word document files, Excel files, etc. I will not forward such messages to the list. Lastly, due to the nature of this disease and its effects on our furry friends, there is a potential for passionate debates every now and then. While this may be healthy in a general sense, please try to observe the following rules: No flaming- ie; no personal attacks, hostile language, personal threats, etc., No posting messages that proclaim a, my way or the highway type of rhetoric. We are a diverse group of people with varying opinions on which treatment options work best for our loved ones. Some here believe that certain treatment options are not viable (or are simply hokum) while others swear by a particular treatment. Some here believe in mixing positives and negatives while others say that it shouldn't happen at all. Even if you adamantly disagree with another list member's point of view, please be respectful and sensitive to their right to their opinions. Members are free to share their opinions, but they are not permitted to badger others into submission. It is my hope that this message will serve as a general guideline to posting to FeLVTalk. If I've forgotten something, or if you disagree with the content of this note, please contact me PRIVATELY to discuss it further. Please do not try to create a controversy on the list about all of this. Thank you. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest
Thank you Mary Christine for clearing that up with all of us. I appreciate your expertise. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest no, wendy, they do NOT carry the mother's antibodies. that is FIV--and the FeLV test doesn't test for antibodies anyway, it tests for antigens. PLEASE check before you send things out to the list. as for lysine, it is specific for the various forms of HERPES viruses, not all those that cause respiratory symptoms. it causes the herpes virus not to replicate, it does not boost the immune system per se, and it has no known effect to date on any other virii. this is not news. as an essential amino acid, it's not going to HURT anything, and some veterinary associations suggest that all cats, symptomatic or not, should be given daily doses of it. but there is no value in claiming that it, or any other treatment, does what it does not. MC On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:17 PM, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Julie, Good luck with the retest. I am not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but the kittens should be retested I think after a certain age, because they can carry their mother's FeLV antibodies for a certain time and test positive even though they may actually test negative at a later date. I am thinking four months, but not sure on that. Someone here will know that specifically. I swear by lysine for humans and animals (is there a difference? lol); it's an anti-viral. Make sure you buy pure lysine. I have also heard great things about Vitamin C, but have never used it with my cats. Let us know how it goes. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Julie Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:31:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest Hi, I posted the other day about my 4 13 week old foster kittens who tested positive for FeLV. While we wait out re-testing them, is there anything that can be done in hopes of boosting their immune system and fighting off the virus? I am using Pet Tinic liquid vitamins twice a day and lactoferrin/colostrum supplement in their wet food twice a day..anything else we should be doing? Please Don't Breed or Buy While Homeless Pets Die! http://www.anotherchancepetrescue.org/ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest
I also want to point out, antibodies or not, that retesting should still be done after a certain age, when a positive result at an earlier age might revert to negative after a certain age. That was my point. 13 weeks could be too early, however I'm not sure specifically. If someone knows the earliest testing/retesting dates, could you post them? We might be able to save Julie some money. Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest no, wendy, they do NOT carry the mother's antibodies. that is FIV--and the FeLV test doesn't test for antibodies anyway, it tests for antigens. PLEASE check before you send things out to the list. as for lysine, it is specific for the various forms of HERPES viruses, not all those that cause respiratory symptoms. it causes the herpes virus not to replicate, it does not boost the immune system per se, and it has no known effect to date on any other virii. this is not news. as an essential amino acid, it's not going to HURT anything, and some veterinary associations suggest that all cats, symptomatic or not, should be given daily doses of it. but there is no value in claiming that it, or any other treatment, does what it does not. MC On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:17 PM, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Julie, Good luck with the retest. I am not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but the kittens should be retested I think after a certain age, because they can carry their mother's FeLV antibodies for a certain time and test positive even though they may actually test negative at a later date. I am thinking four months, but not sure on that. Someone here will know that specifically. I swear by lysine for humans and animals (is there a difference? lol); it's an anti-viral. Make sure you buy pure lysine. I have also heard great things about Vitamin C, but have never used it with my cats. Let us know how it goes. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Julie Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:31:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] while we await a retest Hi, I posted the other day about my 4 13 week old foster kittens who tested positive for FeLV. While we wait out re-testing them, is there anything that can be done in hopes of boosting their immune system and fighting off the virus? I am using Pet Tinic liquid vitamins twice a day and lactoferrin/colostrum supplement in their wet food twice a day..anything else we should be doing? Please Don't Breed or Buy While Homeless Pets Die! http://www.anotherchancepetrescue.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Hi Jane, My cat was very sick, became well for another two years, and then developed anemia and passed away. I wouldn't give anything for those 2 years, when he was fine. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:17:00 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] question Has anyone ever heard of a highly (FeLV) symptomatic cat who, with treatment, becomes asymptomatic and then retests negative? Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids
You can also give fluids subcutaneously . Basically you would use a syringe and go just under the skin and inject sterile water. You can get the water at any grocery store. I have used this method before. You can do it about every hour to two hours. I did this with not only one of my kittens and two adult cats, but also with a 1 1/2 week old puppy. It can be tiring. Also there is a formula that I use to help them along. One can of evaporated goats milk One cup of PLAIN yogart ( do not use lowfat or flavored) One egg yolk Two teaspoons of karo syrup Mix all together and and try putting it in a bowl for him. If he will not drink on his own then use a dropper or syringe to slowly give him some. My kitties seem to LOVE this formula, It is high in calories and will keep glucose levels up. Wendy catatonya wrote: I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking for new ideas. One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a hook. that worked well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving. lol. I just gave them as long as he would let me and it looked like he had a nice 'bump'. t */MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t */Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya /[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t */Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned
